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"Absolute yes from me as i cannot stand Westminster If scotland get Independence it has been said many northern Englanders may move up here too, to get rid of the damage caused by westminster and you would all be welcome. It is not the english people as they are lovely, it is the damage caused by Westminster millionaire Mp's who use their position simply as a status symbol. again a Yes from me," Soooo funny and yet 
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"There's a very old truism that says: Be careful what you wish for, your wish may come true... If the Scots want independence then they will be out of the UK, EU and NATO before the next general election. They will quickly learn that they are not the economic powerhouse that the SNP has so many of them believing they are. And the rest of the UK will be much better off economically without having to subsidise them any longer." Erm, if the uk will be much better off why are they fighting so hard to keep Scotland part of it? | |||
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"Erm, if the uk will be much better off why are they fighting so hard to keep Scotland part of it?" For my part, I don't want to see Scotland leave the UK because I understand that when nations fragment everyone looses because of the bitterness the breakup causes. And I think that the cost of subsidising Scotland's infrastructure and more expensive running costs is a small price for us in the south to pay to keep the UK whole. In the same way as the subsidies we in the countries of north and west of the EU pay to those countries in the south and east are a small price to pay for having a united and growing EU. | |||
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"Jeez, politics & football. I better get some foil on my head & go sit under the table for this! "I'll join you x  | |||
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"Jeez, politics & football. I better get some foil on my head & go sit under the table for this!
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"There's a very old truism that says: Be careful what you wish for, your wish may come true... If the Scots want independence then they will be out of the UK, EU and NATO before the next general election. They will quickly learn that they are not the economic powerhouse that the SNP has so many of them believing they are. And the rest of the UK will be much better off economically without having to subsidise them any longer." Exactly. | |||
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"There's a very old truism that says: Be careful what you wish for, your wish may come true... If the Scots want independence then they will be out of the UK, EU and NATO before the next general election. They will quickly learn that they are not the economic powerhouse that the SNP has so many of them believing they are. And the rest of the UK will be much better off economically without having to subsidise them any longer." Lol If wee eck could write a speech for the no campaign, That would be it.  | |||
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if therz a no vote im heading down and Im goin to be the modern day guy fawkes . Except I'll dae it right | |||
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"A classic airing of the intolerance of SNP supporters...you can have any view you live as long as it accords with their view!" It's as if the Nats know they're going to lose. They're right about that | |||
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"A classic airing of the intolerance of SNP supporters...you can have any view you live as long as it accords with their view! It's as if the Nats know they're going to lose. They're right about that "See, this is the problem I have with it. Everyone on the No side says it's a foregone conclusion and the Yes is going to lose. Apathy sets in, they won't turn out and guess what? Plus there isn't actually that much in the polls from what I've seen. | |||
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Oh another thing Scotland, if you do vote for independence you would be welcome to take England/Wales and Northern Irelands membership of the EU, with the recent support for UKIP in the european elections its clear we don't want to be part of the EU anymore. You join the EU and have the euro as your currency, we'll keep the pound and leave the corrupt EU gladly. | |||
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"Not that Spain France and Italy will allow that." You're quite right... why would Spain or France ever be interested in access to Scottish fishing waters. | |||
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"Not that Spain France and Italy will allow that." On the other hand, we all recognize Spain and Italy are the economic heavyweights of Europe - what they say goes! | |||
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"Not that Spain France and Italy will allow that. You're quite right... why would Spain or France ever be interested in access to Scottish fishing waters. "Would that be enough to change the rules of gaining membership of the EU tho, Germany may have something to say about it Gimp | |||
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"Not that Spain France and Italy will allow that. You're quite right... why would Spain or France ever be interested in access to Scottish fishing waters.
Would that be enough to change the rules of gaining membership of the EU tho, Germany may have something to say about it
Gimp "Thanks for the well thought out response. If you would like to think about the text ( seriously try thinking. You'd be amazed at what it can do) you would understand all those countries have issues with separatist groups and they do not want to give those groups any encouragement. So isolating Scotland and inflicting punishment causes them no adverse effects but makes a massive statement. | |||
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"If there is a Yes vote, I wonder if we'll be doing some pointing work on Hadrian's Wall "No thanks, you can keep the Geordies thank you very much
On a serious note, Salmond and Sturgeon are both egotistical morons, the sooner these two piss off out of politics the better. I'm a No voter, I was born in Scotland and live in Scotland but I am British and I want to stay that way. | |||
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".. seriously try thinking. You'd be amazed at what it can do." That was rude - no need for that, he was just making a point. | |||
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" Sure, Scotland could function very well, and even thrive, as an independent country without having to pass every major decision through Westminster - which is why the Better Together campaign has be mainly negative and threatening... there seems to be very little positive campaigning in support of continued English rule. All the same, three hundred years of being told they don't have the ability has convinced the Scots they don't... it's quite pathetic really. Personally, I don't know which way it'll go but I suspect the majority will chicken out - and the ruling elite in the southeast of England, and their transatlantic corporate sponsors, will breathe a collective sigh of relief and happily resume their embezzling and nepotism. It makes me fucking sick. Come on Scotland, grow a pair and give this whole island the shake up it needs while you have the chance - oh, and please, please, pretty please let Cumbria and Northumberland join you! "I was at the cinema the other week and during the Ads there were campaign trails for both sides. And of the two the Yes campaign was horribly doom and gloom showing anything to do with England in monochrome with dirge music and anything to do with an independent Scotland in bright colour and sweetness and light . In contrast the No trail was rather neutral throughout. And if anyone seriously thinks a future independent Scottish government will be any less full of privately educated millionaires who are in thrall to the big companies they're trying to entice/keep here, then you are seriously deluded. | |||
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if they want to go.... cool..... however I don't see why the should then keep the UK pound as the currency as the rest of us would basically be underwriting them.... | |||
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".. seriously try thinking. You'd be amazed at what it can do. That was rude - no need for that, he was just making a point. " It's rude to point, at least that's what ma Gran told me | |||
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"the funny this is that a lot of people who like to blame westminster for the ill's tend to forget that the local and regional decisions on how money is spent in scotland is actually done by the Scottish Parliament.....
if they want to go.... cool..... however I don't see why the should then keep the UK pound as the currency as the rest of us would basically be underwriting them...."Ah but you see, they don't get the same amount of money back from Westminster that they send there in taxes. Waaaaaaaaa! (Regardless of the fact that no one does as that would be impossible unless the country had zero debt, and probably not even then). | |||
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"For the ordinary citizen, I don't think Scotland staying or going will make any really noticeable difference. There'll still be poor people and rich people, some may benefit a little, some may lose a little. There'll still be the same food, same houses, same booze, same shagging - life won't change in any major way. The debate is all a waste of breath and time, designed to make a few feel important, and many to feel that they can really make changes - that will never actually happen. Load of old cobblers." This | |||
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"Not that Spain France and Italy will allow that. You're quite right... why would Spain or France ever be interested in access to Scottish fishing waters. "Do you actually think an independent Scotland will be able to afford to run a large enough navy and air force to patrol and enforce territorial rights over more than half the whole of the UK's present territorial waters? Do you think they will be able to even guard their coastline or even the airspace over a newly independent Scotland? The continual cry from the 'yes' campaign is that those of us who think it is not only a bad idea for political reasons but that it will be disastrous for the Scottish economy is that the 'we're better together' campaign is all negative is a very sick joke. Here is just one of the 'yes to independence' economic lies. 1. Scotland pays more in to the UK coffers than it gets back. The whole basis for this lie is that Scots contribute (earn) some £2200 net each to the UK economy while the rest of us mere mortals only contribute some £1900 and change. While this is true the 'yes' campaign conveniently forget to mention that with only 5,062,011 (2011 census) which is less than 10% of the UK population but with over 1/3 the land mass and about half the territorial waters and the coldest climate in the UK it will be interesting to see this economic miracle that the SNP are promising being produced because the numbers dont add up! Fact is you (the yes campaign) are being told by everyone that it will be a disaster for Scotland and the Scots if you secede from the union. Unlike the Americans, we will not use force to stop you leaving, but we will not support you . There are many south of border who will refuse to allow you back in once you leave. In fact there is one major business that has used the SNP's demands for a referendum to push for a removal of all its legal requirements to subsidise its Scottish distribution network. If your having problems working out what I am referring to, check to see how much it will cost to have a letter delivered to the highlands and islands if you loose the royal mail postal subsidy? As for Spain, the Spanish fishing fleet will keep fishing because Scotland will not be able to stop them and the Spanish government will do everything it can to impede Scotland's readmission to the EU so that the Basque separatists get to see what it will cost them if they force Spain to grant them independence. I could say more but I know my words are falling on deaf ears.  | |||
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"The reason Westminster are fighting so hard to keep us is the same reason Putin invaded Ukraine, Energy. The subsidies are exactly the other way round. Norwegian oil fund is closing in on 1TRILLION Dollars! Scotland's...yep SFA. Come on peeps do your homework" Norway is great. Standard of living so high that most regular people in this country couldn't afford to go out to eat a meal there. And before you can start saving like that you need to be debt free. Which an independent Scotland won't be. | |||
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"Jeez, politics & football. I better get some foil on my head & go sit under the table for this!
I'll join you x "All we need is for someone to mention Mothers In Law, and we have a very volatile mix! (doffs tin hat and runs for cover!). | |||
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"Not that Spain France and Italy will allow that. On the other hand, we all recognize Spain and Italy are the economic heavyweights of Europe - what they say goes! "Given that a vote to allow a country to join the EU requires unanimity of the existing members, what Spain and Italy say DOES go. | |||
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"The reason Westminster are fighting so hard to keep us is the same reason Putin invaded Ukraine, Energy. The subsidies are exactly the other way round. Norwegian oil fund is closing in on 1TRILLION Dollars! Scotland's...yep SFA. Come on peeps do your homework Norway is great. Standard of living so high that most regular people in this country couldn't afford to go out to eat a meal there. And before you can start saving like that you need to be debt free. Which an independent Scotland won't be. " So by your reasoning it's best if we just stay skint? We are talking 100's of billions of dollars more than Norway...and all the Norwegians I know are very happy - remember they earn higher salaries. And how will you feel when the flag wavers down south vote the UK out of Europe in 2017? | |||
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"The funniest part, we'll if it wasn't so tragic, is the lie that Scotland is subsidised by the rest of the uk... Honestly Scotland is extremely rich in the biggest game on the planet-Energy. Nothing happens without the ability to switch the lights on. Those arguing that we'll be out of the EU to punish dome separatist groups is staggeringly naive. Let me play out the conversation for you..."Scotland wants to rejoin the EU, own their terms (much like Norway), but we're not going to let them as we'll just get our gas from Putin..." Oh really.. And the demise of O&G is GREATLY, MASSIVELY, RIDICULOUSLY untrue! " And there you have the standard pro independence reply, ignore the figures, fail to do the sums and finally dismiss the economic and political facts. The Spanish premier has already said he thinks it will be difficult for an independent Scotland to be readmitted to the EU, but that's just empty words...
The Governor of the BoE has said that he cant see how an independent Scotland could keep Sterling as their currency, but what does he know...
Numerous multinational companies have said that they will move their operations south of the new border should there be a yes vote, but they are bluffing...
We're Scott's! Now all together!
O flower of Scotland.
When will we see your likes again?
That fought and DIED for your wee lock hill and glen.
And stood against THEM!
Proud Edwards army and sent THEM homeward to think again!
What a load of bollox! The sooner we are rid of you the better! We can do with the jobs and you can keep the £53 billion taxes you contribute the UK (2012/13) economy and we will keep £65.2 billion of UK taxes that goes back to Scotland! (Numbers supplied by: Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland. published by: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS ). We will also keep the £250 million that goes to Scotland in EU regional grants, plus all the other 1 off EU grants you will no longer be getting.
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"The reason Westminster are fighting so hard to keep us is the same reason Putin invaded Ukraine, Energy. The subsidies are exactly the other way round. Norwegian oil fund is closing in on 1TRILLION Dollars! Scotland's...yep SFA. Come on peeps do your homework Norway is great. Standard of living so high that most regular people in this country couldn't afford to go out to eat a meal there. And before you can start saving like that you need to be debt free. Which an independent Scotland won't be. So by your reasoning it's best if we just stay skint? We are talking 100's of billions of dollars more than Norway...and all the Norwegians I know are very happy - remember they earn higher salaries. And how will you feel when the flag wavers down south vote the UK out of Europe in 2017?" You're not skint, how are you skint? And I imagine that Norway has poor people and jobless too. Shan't pretend to know their economy's problems but they are unlikely to be the same as Scotland's. And yes, we English may well vote to leave the EU, because we're stupid. But Scotland won't be there either. You won't get in, and even if by some miracle you did it wouldn't be without huge concessions to single currency and Shengen. Yes campaigns assertation that you will get in, no fuss, no compromise, is just Salmond putting his fingers in his ears going LA LA LA LA I can't hear youuuuu! And as I said earlier, why do you want independence from one bureaucracy then chain yourself to another? With, if the rise of UKIP is to be believed, no mandate from your people to do it. | |||
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"A classic airing of the intolerance of SNP supporters...you can have any view you live as long as it accords with their view! It's as if the Nats know they're going to lose. They're right about that
See, this is the problem I have with it. Everyone on the No side says it's a foregone conclusion and the Yes is going to lose. Apathy sets in, they won't turn out and guess what?
Plus there isn't actually that much in the polls from what I've seen. "It's confidence, not complacency and I don't believe there's any chance of apathy. There MAY be a plague on both your houses backlash if there's much more vilifying of people like JK Rowling. | |||
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"It's a No Thanks from me, but it's getting to be a rather lonely position for me up in the highlands. I think it's the most important thing to happen to this country for a very long time, and the prize if they choose independence is a country where at best everything stays exactly the same as it is, and at worst goes down the inflation shitter. I don't agree with either sides set of figures for the economy, the Yes lot use a wildly optimistic set and the No a needlessly pessimistic set. But my main bugbear with the whole argument for the Yes Campaign is this: They want independence from the UK, but immediately to hand over a chunk of that new found independence to the EU, along with a big fat wad of cash! So basically it's an "anyone but the English" vote. And if I hear the "We want the government we vote for!" Argument again I'll fucking spit blood. You fucking had 13 years of a labour government, including 3 with your own man GB at the helm. How did that work out for you exactly? " Couldn't agree more. The independence from Westminster, more subservience to Brussels scenario is one big thing I just don't understand. Particularly as a successful 'No' vote will almost certainly get us more autonomy from Westminster!! | |||
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"We will still be British when Scotland vote yes just not part of a united kingdom.. .David Cameron tried that pish with the queen and Liz told him to fuck right off "With all due respect, I think you're a little confused. How can you be outwith Britain, but be British? The United Kingdom currently comprises the 4 nations. But interestingly, if you look at a map of the UK, it's official title is a map of "Great Britain & Northern Ireland. | |||
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"Not that Spain France and Italy will allow that. You're quite right... why would Spain or France ever be interested in access to Scottish fishing waters.
Do you actually think an independent Scotland will be able to afford to run a large enough navy and air force to patrol and enforce territorial rights over more than half the whole of the UK's present territorial waters? Do you think they will be able to even guard their coastline or even the airspace over a newly independent Scotland?
The continual cry from the 'yes' campaign is that those of us who think it is not only a bad idea for political reasons but that it will be disastrous for the Scottish economy is that the 'we're better together' campaign is all negative is a very sick joke.
Here is just one of the 'yes to independence' economic lies.
1. Scotland pays more in to the UK coffers than it gets back.
The whole basis for this lie is that Scots contribute (earn) some £2200 net each to the UK economy while the rest of us mere mortals only contribute some £1900 and change. While this is true the 'yes' campaign conveniently forget to mention that with only 5,062,011 (2011 census) which is less than 10% of the UK population but with over 1/3 the land mass and about half the territorial waters and the coldest climate in the UK it will be interesting to see this economic miracle that the SNP are promising being produced because the numbers dont add up!
Fact is you (the yes campaign) are being told by everyone that it will be a disaster for Scotland and the Scots if you secede from the union. Unlike the Americans, we will not use force to stop you leaving, but we will not support you . There are many south of border who will refuse to allow you back in once you leave.
In fact there is one major business that has used the SNP's demands for a referendum to push for a removal of all its legal requirements to subsidise its Scottish distribution network. If your having problems working out what I am referring to, check to see how much it will cost to have a letter delivered to the highlands and islands if you loose the royal mail postal subsidy?
As for Spain, the Spanish fishing fleet will keep fishing because Scotland will not be able to stop them and the Spanish government will do everything it can to impede Scotland's readmission to the EU so that the Basque separatists get to see what it will cost them if they force Spain to grant them independence.
I could say more but I know my words are falling on deaf ears. "No deaf ears here thanks, what you say makes perfect sense to me! But then, the 'Yes' people don't like being confronted with sense! | |||
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" And how will you feel when the flag wavers down south vote the UK out of Europe in 2017?" As hopefully still part of the UK..........ecstatic!! | |||
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"We will still be British when Scotland vote yes just not part of a united kingdom.. .David Cameron tried that pish with the queen and Liz told him to fuck right off
With all due respect, I think you're a little confused. How can you be outwith Britain, but be British?
The United Kingdom currently comprises the 4 nations. But interestingly, if you look at a map of the UK, it's official title is a map of "Great Britain & Northern Ireland. "unless they devise a way to chainsaw Scotland off the end of England and part the sea we will always be a part of Britain. I think we can safely drop the great bit though | |||
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" And how will you feel when the flag wavers down south vote the UK out of Europe in 2017? " Personally I am truly beginning to change my mind about the Scottish referendum. Being a man who believes in enlightened self interest I think that the best thing for the UK is for Scotland to vote for independence. Then as you say the flag wavers down here will get to see Scotland suffering the the consequences of leaving the EU from the end of this year till 2017 before they vote.
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" And how will you feel when the flag wavers down south vote the UK out of Europe in 2017? Personally I am truly beginning to change my mind about the Scottish referendum. Being a man who believes in enlightened self interest I think that the best thing for the UK is for Scotland to vote for independence. Then as you say the flag wavers down here will get to see Scotland suffering the the consequences of leaving the EU from the end of this year till 2017 before they vote.
All you Scots forget everything I have been saying, I have seen the light, we need you to vote overwhelmingly for independence! "I am probably being a bit dense here, but do you really think that if the Yes vote wins, we will be an independent nation as from 19th September? | |||
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"I am probably being a bit dense here, but do you really think that if the Yes vote wins, we will be an independent nation as from 19th September? "Not quite that quick, I would put my money on Midnight 31/12/14. But you will definitely be an independent nation before the next general election as there is no way the rest of the UK will stand for you voting to leave in September and then electing a new set of Scottish MP's to Westminster next May.  | |||
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"I am probably being a bit dense here, but do you really think that if the Yes vote wins, we will be an independent nation as from 19th September?
Not quite that quick, I would put my money on Midnight 31/12/14. But you will definitely be an independent nation before the next general election as there is no way the rest of the UK will stand for you voting to leave in September and then electing a new set of Scottish MP's to Westminster next May. "Salmond claims 'independence day' will be 24 March 2016. The election is May 2015. | |||
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"I am probably being a bit dense here, but do you really think that if the Yes vote wins, we will be an independent nation as from 19th September?
Not quite that quick, I would put my money on Midnight 31/12/14. But you will definitely be an independent nation before the next general election as there is no way the rest of the UK will stand for you voting to leave in September and then electing a new set of Scottish MP's to Westminster next May.
Salmond claims 'independence day' will be 24 March 2016. The election is May 2015."Thanks Onny, I couldn't remember the date. | |||
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".. seriously try thinking. You'd be amazed at what it can do. That was rude - no need for that, he was just making a point. " Nothing makes a point like calling someone "Gimp". | |||
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"I am probably being a bit dense here, but do you really think that if the Yes vote wins, we will be an independent nation as from 19th September?
Not quite that quick, I would put my money on Midnight 31/12/14. But you will definitely be an independent nation before the next general election as there is no way the rest of the UK will stand for you voting to leave in September and then electing a new set of Scottish MP's to Westminster next May.
Salmond claims 'independence day' will be 24 March 2016. The election is May 2015.
Thanks Onny, I couldn't remember the date. "Salmond and the SNP yes campaign claim a lot, just because he says it does not make it true. Read my previous posts, follow the link, do a little more reading, some addition and subtraction and you will find some examples of him not even agreeing with figures published by his Scottish government.
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"Most of us voting couldn't give two fucks about the facts and figures. We are doin it just for the fun and a party.and if it all goes tits up we'll just force England to help us.similar to the bullying tactics used at Wembly in 1977 except in a much bigger scale .so London if it doesnt work out be afraid . . .be very afraid mwahaha "mate you spout some amount of pish | |||
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"Most of us voting couldn't give two fucks about the facts and figures. We are doin it just for the fun and a party.and if it all goes tits up we'll just force England to help us.similar to the bullying tactics used at Wembly in 1977 except in a much bigger scale .so London if it doesnt work out be afraid . . .be very afraid mwahaha
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"Most of us voting couldn't give two fucks about the facts and figures. We are doin it just for the fun and a party.and if it all goes tits up we'll just force England to help us.similar to the bullying tactics used at Wembly in 1977 except in a much bigger scale .so London if it doesnt work out be afraid . . .be very afraid mwahaha "Was 77 the year Kenny MacAskill missed the gemme cos he'd been huckled by the polis for being pished? | |||
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"Does no one else care about the Neep? Jings, crivens and help ma boab!!!!! "the Irish argue that its theirs | |||
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"Does no one else care about the Neep? Jings, crivens and help ma boab!!!!! the Irish argue that its theirs "I thought it was the tattie that was theirs? Oh just had a thought. All the Celts have veggies to bring to the table. What do our cousins south of the border have? | |||
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"As one poster said "be careful what you wish for" There is an appetite in Scotland for Independence - I am undecided but concerned that there is also an appetite in Orkney and Shetland for more autonomy ! Now they will own the Oil Fields and not an independent Scotland or even the UK for that matter !!!" Well last I heard, they were both part of Scotland. Appetite or no, it's highly unlikely they would get autonomy. Look how long it's taken Scotland to get to this point!!! | |||
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"Does no one else care about the Neep? Jings, crivens and help ma boab!!!!! the Irish argue that its theirs
I thought it was the tattie that was theirs? Oh just had a thought. All the Celts have veggies to bring to the table. What do our cousins south of the border have? ". .i call it a tumshi more often than a Neep but then again im scum x x X | |||
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"As one poster said "be careful what you wish for" There is an appetite in Scotland for Independence - I am undecided but concerned that there is also an appetite in Orkney and Shetland for more autonomy ! Now they will own the Oil Fields and not an independent Scotland or even the UK for that matter !!! Well last I heard, they were both part of Scotland. Appetite or no, it's highly unlikely they would get autonomy. Look how long it's taken Scotland to get to this point!!!" And the last I heard Scotland was part of the uk but they are voting on autonomy. What would stop the shetlanders from doing the same ? | |||
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Tumshi or Neep, it's still not a bloody Swede!!!!! At least not in my childlike eyes. I was devastated when I found out my turnip is actually a swede ".we agree on that.i felt sick first time i seen a turnip marked as a Swede in a shop..theres loads more stuff changed name slowly but Thats another thread.its doesnt seem so bad when you see a wee peely wally anemic thing marked as a Swede in a bag of six .but when its a daddy tumshi it hurts | |||
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"The reason Westminster are fighting so hard to keep us is the same reason Putin invaded Ukraine, Energy. The subsidies are exactly the other way round. Norwegian oil fund is closing in on 1TRILLION Dollars! Scotland's...yep SFA. Come on peeps do your homework" Keep the north sea oil reserves if you go for independence (they won't last forever and will eventually run out). In the meantime we'll get fracking here in England, Wales and Northern ireland and produce our own shale gas for decades to come. After what happened in Ukraine i think the whole of europe now wants to be less dependant on Russia and Putin for its gas supplies.... | |||
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"The subsidies are exactly the other way round. Norwegian oil fund is closing in on 1TRILLION Dollars! Scotland's...yep SFA. Come on peeps do your homework" Just to be clear do you realise that the last years (2012/13) tax income from North Sea Oil was £6 billion down from £11 billion the year before and will keep declining unless there is an investment of around £45 billion in the oil fields? Not quite the pot of gold Salmond has telling you it is, is it? | |||
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"Erm, if the uk will be much better off why are they fighting so hard to keep Scotland part of it? For my part, I don't want to see Scotland leave the UK because I understand that when nations fragment everyone looses because of the bitterness the breakup causes. And I think that the cost of subsidising Scotland's infrastructure and more expensive running costs is a small price for us in the south to pay to keep the UK whole. In the same way as the subsidies we in the countries of north and west of the EU pay to those countries in the south and east are a small price to pay for having a united and growing EU." So? are you saying Scotland & England cannot work together after a split both as closest friend and ally, Scotland has offered its hand that way but Westminster has refused the offer | |||
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"The subsidies are exactly the other way round. Norwegian oil fund is closing in on 1TRILLION Dollars! Scotland's...yep SFA. Come on peeps do your homework Just to be clear do you realise that the last years (2012/13) tax income from North Sea Oil was £6 billion down from £11 billion the year before and will keep declining unless there is an investment of around £45 billion in the oil fields? Not quite the pot of gold Salmond has telling you it is, is it? "That is so incorrect, the cost was down last year due to further investment by all oil companies. The North sea is still vastly developing and new fields found last week. West of Shetland has huge discoveries and 4 main oil companies are having new oilrigs being built just now to bring these reservoirs online, all Scottish ship building and rig building yards are full with orders until 2018 that is why chevron, BP & Maersk are having to place orders in South Korea (FACT) And if we get rid of trident, we can develop the already discovered oil on west coast I have done my homework and I will outshine you on all fronts when it comes to oil reserves | |||
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"Erm, if the uk will be much better off why are they fighting so hard to keep Scotland part of it? For my part, I don't want to see Scotland leave the UK because I understand that when nations fragment everyone looses because of the bitterness the breakup causes. And I think that the cost of subsidising Scotland's infrastructure and more expensive running costs is a small price for us in the south to pay to keep the UK whole. In the same way as the subsidies we in the countries of north and west of the EU pay to those countries in the south and east are a small price to pay for having a united and growing EU. So? are you saying Scotland & England cannot work together after a split both as closest friend and ally, Scotland has offered its hand that way but Westminster has refused the offer" Effectively, yes. The Scots have to accept that actions have consequences and if you leave the UK you loose the benefits of being part of the UK. You cant have independence and still expect us south of the border to subsidise you and protect your territory. | |||
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".. seriously try thinking. You'd be amazed at what it can do. That was rude - no need for that, he was just making a point. Nothing makes a point like calling someone "Gimp". " Seriously. Try thinking, You would be amazed what it can do 
As do a few other couples on here we tend to put our names at the end of a post to ease confusion as to which of us is putting our thoughts down.
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"That is so incorrect, the cost was down last year due to further investment by all oil companies. The North sea is still vastly developing and new fields found last week. West of Shetland has huge discoveries and 4 main oil companies are having new oilrigs being built just now to bring these reservoirs online, all Scottish ship building and rig building yards are full with orders until 2018 that is why chevron, BP & Maersk are having to place orders in South Korea (FACT) And if we get rid of trident, we can develop the already discovered oil on west coast I have done my homework and I will outshine you on all fronts when it comes to oil reserves" Really... So I guess the oil companies who are saying that it is going to become increasingly expensive to develop new oilfields in the waters round Scotland because of the extra sea depth is all wrong as are their statements about the current field reaching the end of their commercial lives... As for the placing of orders with the Korean shipyards I was under the impression that was because they can build bigger, faster, and cheaper than any European shipyards. But I stand corrected, although I missed the news that the shipyards on the Clyde were re-opening.
As for your trite comment about Trident, it is not Scottish, and I am sure we will find a home for the UK's independent nuclear deterrent south of the border and relocate all the boats and and other naval jobs from HMS Neptune and Faselane.
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"Does no one else care about the Neep? Jings, crivens and help ma boab!!!!! the Irish argue that its theirs
I thought it was the tattie that was theirs? Oh just had a thought. All the Celts have veggies to bring to the table. What do our cousins south of the border have? . .i call it a tumshi more often than a Neep but then again im scum x x X
Tumshi or Neep, it's still not a bloody Swede!!!!! At least not in my childlike eyes. I was devastated when I found out my turnip is actually a swede .we agree on that.i felt sick first time i seen a turnip marked as a Swede in a shop..theres loads more stuff changed name slowly but Thats another thread.its doesnt seem so bad when you see a wee peely wally anemic thing marked as a Swede in a bag of six .but when its a daddy tumshi it hurts "Lol | |||
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"It made a bit of a mockery of the 'Stay together' 'NO' movement when I noticed during the Italy game there was not one Scottish player playing for England. What a joke!" We field four teams for the world cup, we don't enter as UK. | |||
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"The closer it comes the more the no campaign will have to say which is why Scotland will vote yes.
"Ignore anyone not in Scotland in the No campaign! Tories... yeah like they wouldn't benefit from 30 non Tory MP's being taken out of the equation. Big business. IF there is a YES vote they will take the move out of Independent Scotland threat and turn it into give us low tax breaks to stay demands. Oil & Gas industry, the same few international companies drill all over the world they really don't give a stuff about who the government are, profits will go to the shareholders as usual. I really have no opinion on the referendum, I personally feel it will make no difference, if there is a No Vote then all bad things will be blamed on Westminster / EU decisions, if there is a Yes vote then all bad things will be blamed on EU / Westminster, the Scottish parliament will remain struggling gods working hard for the benefit of the constituents and never for personal gain in power and profit. | |||
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"It made a bit of a mockery of the 'Stay together' 'NO' movement when I noticed during the Italy game there was not one Scottish player playing for England. What a joke! We field four teams for the world cup, we don't enter as UK." lol I know. | |||
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".. seriously try thinking. You'd be amazed at what it can do. That was rude - no need for that, he was just making a point. Nothing makes a point like calling someone "Gimp". Seriously. Try thinking, You would be amazed what it can do
As do a few other couples on here we tend to put our names at the end of a post to ease confusion as to which of us is putting our thoughts down.
Obviously not simple enough for some so maybe we should go back to signing everything with an X in Crayon.
Awaiting on your thoughts in amazement.
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"It made a bit of a mockery of the 'Stay together' 'NO' movement when I noticed during the Italy game there was not one Scottish player playing for England. What a joke! We field four teams for the world cup, we don't enter as UK. lol I know." Always wondered why a small country would split it's football talent even further, your comment made me go to google. World cup qualification: Scotland never, Wales once in 1958 and Ireland a few times but not since 2002. Given England's win record perhaps we should hold a better together referendum on the football?  | |||
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" Always wondered why a small country would split it's football talent even further, your comment made me go to google. World cup qualification: Scotland never, Wales once in 1958 and Ireland a few times but not since 2002. Given England's win record perhaps we should hold a better together referendum on the football? "Scotland never qualified? You might want to take your google back to the shop. I mean, I know it's been a while... | |||
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"Scotland never qualified? You might want to take your google back to the shop. I mean, I know it's been a while..." My apologies, different search shows 8 or 9 times qualified. | |||
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" My apologies, different search shows 8 or 9 times qualified. " we opened the '98 World Cup against Brazil. John Collins gave the entire country an orgasm. I still get a bit emotional thinking of it. | |||
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"Scotland qualified for tournaments regularly in the past and England was shite like we are now. But we dont go on and on about the past. "Remember Bannackburn. | |||
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"But we dont go on and on about the past. "Your great grandfather ate my great grandfathers hamster... or something like that may or may not have happened | |||
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"Scotland qualified for tournaments regularly in the past and England was shite like we are now. But we dont go on and on about the past.
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"I just thought of a better solution, how about Scotland stays, we pool our resources for the footie, and we vote for an Independent London?" Sounds good to me. | |||
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"It made a bit of a mockery of the 'Stay together' 'NO' movement when I noticed during the Italy game there was not one Scottish player playing for England. What a joke! We field four teams for the world cup, we don't enter as UK. lol I know." We had a team GB football team in the Olympics, Ryan Giggs was captain....yes you guessed it we won fuck all then aswel. | |||
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"I just thought of a better solution, how about Scotland stays, we pool our resources for the footie, and we vote for an Independent London? Sounds good to me. " not much point to that we already fed up with London bein independent and a Scottish player still wouldn't be good enough to make the squad | |||
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"Reports from my family in Scotland say that the SNP are already making a hash of it... Projects going massively over budget and hugely under delivering. The Scottish Parliament still not paid for. I'm pretty sure they are not Tory but most of them are going to vote No... Lets face it the last Labour government had a large amount of Scots in the cabinet and didn't do much and the Fish twins are out to get their names all over the history books, sod the consequences... Scotland gives a lot of money to Westminster but gets a lot more back..." There are some scots in the cabinet now, Danny Alexander of the Lib dems for one.....or is it best not to mention that? | |||
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"Reports from my family in Scotland say that the SNP are already making a hash of it... Projects going massively over budget and hugely under delivering. The Scottish Parliament still not paid for. I'm pretty sure they are not Tory but most of them are going to vote No... Lets face it the last Labour government had a large amount of Scots in the cabinet and didn't do much and the Fish twins are out to get their names all over the history books, sod the consequences... Scotland gives a lot of money to Westminster but gets a lot more back..." Sorry I'm not sure I can understand this. What are the snp making a hash of? And what does this have to do with independence? What has the snp got to do with paying for the Scottish parliament? They weren't in power until 2007. What has Scots being in cabinet have to do with anything? Why is their nationality important? | |||
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"Join the euro or get a separate currency otherwise independence is an illusion as boe runs the economy for the benefit of the majority. Happened with Czech and Slovakia split that at some point shortly after one currency doesn't work." lasted an entire 29 days because all the major business's that ran out of slovakia moved money and HQ into the Czech republic..... most major scottish business's would reclassify and run as british out of south of the border..... one more question... who becomes scotlands "lender of last resort" in times of financial crisis.....because it won't be the bank of england? | |||
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"......... one more question... who becomes scotlands "lender of last resort" in times of financial crisis.....because it won't be the bank of england? " Salmond clearly hopes it'll be the Old Lady - that's why he's desperate to hang onto Sterling in one shape or form. | |||
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" one more question... who becomes scotlands "lender of last resort" in times of financial crisis.....because it won't be the bank of england? " Who was Ireland's lender of last resort in 2008? | |||
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"NO NO NO NO. imagine having chief ton of the puddin race ......as a head of state......enough to make you vomit "You know you can vote for someone else if you don't like the current guy in charge. At least in independence your vote will actually mean something. | |||
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"NO NO NO NO. imagine having chief ton of the puddin race ......as a head of state......enough to make you vomit
You know you can vote for someone else if you don't like the current guy in charge. At least in independence your vote will actually mean something. "Is Eck is (supposedly) such a national asset, why are the Separatists so keen to distance themselves from His Immensity? | |||
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".. seriously try thinking. You'd be amazed at what it can do. That was rude - no need for that, he was just making a point. Nothing makes a point like calling someone "Gimp". Seriously. Try thinking, You would be amazed what it can do
As do a few other couples on here we tend to put our names at the end of a post to ease confusion as to which of us is putting our thoughts down.
Obviously not simple enough for some so maybe we should go back to signing everything with an X in Crayon.
Awaiting on your thoughts in amazement.
Mr (X)
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"Its a no brainer for me. Definately a no!!! Even if you ask Alex salmond, he can't even give you a straight up answer as to why we should be independent. i think its time for the snp to come clean on real costs its going to have on the country instead of hiding them. cannot understand folks reasons for saying its worth a try?!!! When we know nothing of taxation, currency, interest rates, pensions etc. Beyond belief! Would you buy a car without knowing the cost????? not that it really bothers me though! "Can I ask if you have attended any of the public meetings? You should and ask those exact questions. There are meeting all over the country every night and there will be one near you. I was at one last week and similar questions were asked. Safe to say that they were thoroughly answered and those asking left with a bit more to think about. | |||
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" Can I ask if you have attended any of the public meetings? You should and ask those exact questions. There are meeting all over the country every night and there will be one near you. I was at one last week and similar questions were asked. Safe to say that they were thoroughly answered and those asking left with a bit more to think about." see... they are prepared to say certain things in meetings... but how about they answer the same questions to journalists for the public record... starting with... whats plan b if rUK decide as they have stated not to continue in a monetary union with an independent scotland as has been advised by the current governor of the bank of england, independent studies, and all the main political parties? what happens if the EU say an independent scotland will not automatically become a member of the EU? and if they insist as they have with all new member countries that they must join the Euro will an independent scotland sign up for that? | |||
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" see... they are prepared to say certain things in meetings... but how about they answer the same questions to journalists for the public record... starting with... whats plan b if rUK decide as they have stated not to continue in a monetary union with an independent scotland as has been advised by the current governor of the bank of england, independent studies, and all the main political parties? what happens if the EU say an independent scotland will not automatically become a member of the EU? and if they insist as they have with all new member countries that they must join the Euro will an independent scotland sign up for that?" With respect, how do you know what they say in public meetings? Have you been to any? I've been to numerous with 100's of people present and people leave with thigs to think about. They understand the nature of uncertainty on both sides of the argument. | |||
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" see... they are prepared to say certain things in meetings... but how about they answer the same questions to journalists for the public record... starting with... whats plan b if rUK decide as they have stated not to continue in a monetary union with an independent scotland as has been advised by the current governor of the bank of england, independent studies, and all the main political parties? what happens if the EU say an independent scotland will not automatically become a member of the EU? and if they insist as they have with all new member countries that they must join the Euro will an independent scotland sign up for that? With respect, how do you know what they say in public meetings? Have you been to any? I've been to numerous with 100's of people present and people leave with thigs to think about. They understand the nature of uncertainty on both sides of the argument." so you tell me what they told you.... did ANYONE tell you what "plan b" was? | |||
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" so you tell me what they told you.... did ANYONE tell you what "plan b" was?" Yes. And would you believe that it's the same plan B as it was the last time you asked! | |||
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" so you tell me what they told you.... did ANYONE tell you what "plan b" was? Yes. And would you believe that it's the same plan B as it was the last time you asked! " And you like all separatists refuse to answer 'on the record' what plan B is. Because there is no plan B! | |||
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"If they vote to leave the all the best but they take their portoin of the national debt converted into Euros because their not having the pound Point is they only get the Euro if they get into the EU and EU leaders have said that will not be automatic.
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"If they vote to leave the all the best but they take their portoin of the national debt converted into Euros because their not having the pound Point is they only get the Euro if they get into the EU and EU leaders have said that will not be automatic.
If you had the foggiest idea of the issues you would know that we cannot take the euro even if we wanted to."Bet Greece, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus and Ireland wish they had'nt taken the euro but now they are stuck with it....Scotland be careful what you wish for. | |||
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"If they vote to leave the all the best but they take their portoin of the national debt converted into Euros because their not having the pound Point is they only get the Euro if they get into the EU and EU leaders have said that will not be automatic.
If you had the foggiest idea of the issues you would know that we cannot take the euro even if we wanted to."Classic! I am wrong and don't understand the issues because everything I have said is right. The sooner you vote yes and we are rid of you and yours, the sooner that the little Englanders get the practical lesson in international economics and our reliance on the EU they need and the sooner we stop being the disruptive little boy at the back of the class and fully engage with our EU partners. | |||
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" Classic! I am wrong and don't understand the issues because everything I have said is right. The sooner you vote yes and we are rid of you and yours, the sooner that the little Englanders get the practical lesson in international economics and our reliance on the EU they need and the sooner we stop being the disruptive little boy at the back of the class and fully engage with our EU partners. "You can mock all you like. Any casual observers care to double check if Scotland are allowed to take the euro? Anyway, your attitude is not luckily not the attitude of the majority, most of whom would wish us well in looking after our own affairs. | |||
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"If they vote to leave the all the best but they take their portoin of the national debt converted into Euros because their not having the pound Point is they only get the Euro if they get into the EU and EU leaders have said that will not be automatic.
If you had the foggiest idea of the issues you would know that we cannot take the euro even if we wanted to.
Classic!
I am wrong and don't understand the issues because everything I have said is right.
The sooner you vote yes and we are rid of you and yours, the sooner that the little Englanders get the practical lesson in international economics and our reliance on the EU they need and the sooner we stop being the disruptive little boy at the back of the class and fully engage with our EU partners.
"Don't want to highjack this thread as it is about the Scottish referendum, but we'd be better off leaving the EU. The EU is a federalist organisation, it will keep pushing for ever closer political union, and somewhere down the line the EU will try to force britain to ditch the pound and take on the euro. Also the European union will change its name and become the United states of Europe. Its inevitable this will happen and Britain will never agree to be part of it. | |||
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"If they vote to leave the all the best but they take their portoin of the national debt converted into Euros because their not having the pound Point is they only get the Euro if they get into the EU and EU leaders have said that will not be automatic.
If you had the foggiest idea of the issues you would know that we cannot take the euro even if we wanted to.
Classic!
I am wrong and don't understand the issues because everything I have said is right.
The sooner you vote yes and we are rid of you and yours, the sooner that the little Englanders get the practical lesson in international economics and our reliance on the EU they need and the sooner we stop being the disruptive little boy at the back of the class and fully engage with our EU partners.
"lack of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. the reason Scotland and the UK for that matter cant join the Euro is that we are unable to meet the 5 criteria required for membership. the UK has only been able to meet 1 of the 5 criteria, but its much better for the media and politicians in the UK to spin the Euro as being a really terrible currency instead of being honest about that. | |||
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" the reason Scotland and the UK for that matter cant join the Euro is that we are unable to meet the 5 criteria required for membership. the UK has only been able to meet 1 of the 5 criteria, but its much better for the media and politicians in the UK to spin the Euro as being a really terrible currency instead of being honest about that. " but its not what alex salmond said 18 months ago.... he was all for joining the euro then... now... nah!! so if you can't join the euro.... and the rUK won't go into a currency union... what then? you could "try" and peg a "scottish pound" to sterling.... but that would crush scottish business, the credit rating would go thru the roof... and any external borrowing costs would rise is that plan b? | |||
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" the reason Scotland and the UK for that matter cant join the Euro is that we are unable to meet the 5 criteria required for membership. the UK has only been able to meet 1 of the 5 criteria, but its much better for the media and politicians in the UK to spin the Euro as being a really terrible currency instead of being honest about that. but its not what alex salmond said 18 months ago.... he was all for joining the euro then... now... nah!! so if you can't join the euro.... and the rUK won't go into a currency union... what then? you could "try" and peg a "scottish pound" to sterling.... but that would crush scottish business, the credit rating would go thru the roof... and any external borrowing costs would rise is that plan b?" sorry but do i look like alex salmond in disguise ?? Why not e-mail the man and ask him. I simply offered some info regarding Euro membership for those who are not very well informed. | |||
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" but its not what alex salmond said 18 months ago.... he was all for joining the euro then... now... nah!! so if you can't join the euro.... and the rUK won't go into a currency union... what then? you could "try" and peg a "scottish pound" to sterling.... but that would crush scottish business, the credit rating would go thru the roof... and any external borrowing costs would rise is that plan b?" No he wasn't. As explained to you, we cannot join the euro. We do not fit the criteria. If you have read in a paper that 18 months ago Alex Salmond wished to join the euro then I urge you to choose another news source. Why would businesses be crippled by using the pound pegged to sterling? Why would our credit rating go "through the roof?" Standard and Poor have already said we would have the highest possible credit rating. | |||
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" Why would businesses be crippled by using the pound pegged to sterling? Why would our credit rating go "through the roof?" Standard and Poor have already said we would have the highest possible credit rating. " cherry picking again.... Standard and Poor have said you would have the highest possible credit rating......... based on a monetary and stable currency union.... since Salmond has said any currency union would be "temporary" (not my words... the words in the white paper the SNP produced) and ed balls again re-iterated today in the scottish select committee that there would be no Currency union.... since neither of those are happening... hello interest rate rises... hello poorer credit rating... hope you have a mortgage paid off.... | |||
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"cherry picking again.... Standard and Poor have said you would have the highest possible credit rating......... based on a monetary and stable currency union.... since Salmond has said any currency union would be "temporary" (not my words... the words in the white paper the SNP produced) and ed balls again re-iterated today in the scottish select committee that there would be no Currency union.... since neither of those are happening... hello interest rate rises... hello poorer credit rating... hope you have a mortgage paid off.... "Haha ok. Always amazes me when people say things like 'I don't how you can trust Alex Salmond. Ed balls says he's wrong!' So will all these terrible things only happen to Scotland? Won't the lack of Scottish money affect the rUK's balance of payments? Has the UK ever lost a high credit rating recently? Are interest rates set to go up in the uk any time soon? We could argue the ins and outs of it until September. But whatever the difficulties ahead, they are worth it for our own decision making and out own democratic country. There are seriously difficult times ahead and plenty of uncertainty if we stay at the mercy of Westminster. | |||
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"Anyway, your attitude is not luckily not the attitude of the majority, most of whom would wish us well in looking after our own affairs." Now that would be funny if it was not so tragic! If you actually read what I have said over all my posts you would realise that I am an inclusinist and pro EU federalist. The only reason for my position as regards an independent Scotland is that you and the likes of you have convinced me that you are just the same as those south of the border who want to take us out of the EU. And like it or not being a guy who believes in enlightened self interest, and having tried to point out the consequences of leaving the Union to the Scottish nationalists and being told that I and others like me are the best argument for the yes campaign, I think it is much better for the UK that Scotland leave the union and and give the little Englanders an up close demonstration of the cost of leaving the EU. Note I don't say the cost of leaving the UK. | |||
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"Haha ok. Always amazes me when people say things like 'I don't how you can trust Alex Salmond. Ed balls says he's wrong!' So will all these terrible things only happen to Scotland? Won't the lack of Scottish money affect the rUK's balance of payments? Has the UK ever lost a high credit rating recently? Are interest rates set to go up in the uk any time soon? We could argue the ins and outs of it until September. But whatever the difficulties ahead, they are worth it for our own decision making and out own democratic country. There are seriously difficult times ahead and plenty of uncertainty if we stay at the mercy of Westminster. " And yet again you prove my point! Change the cries of nationalists that Scottish independence will gain autonomy from a Westminster that does not reflect Scotland's will, to the Euro-sceptic cries that leaving the EU will return power to Westminster and save us from an overbearing EU and the arguments are exactly the same and based on the same 'we must fight the old enemy' xenophobic totally false arguments. The real shame is that it will take Scottish self-destruction to wake the rest of the UK up to what will happen if we leave the EU. As for those who say we are better off outside the Euro zone I would point out that when the Euro was launched in 2001 the exchange rate was 1.85 Euro to £1 today it is 1.25 Euro to £1. Like it or not the £ has lost 33% of its value in 13 years. And that means that over the last 13 years the Euro zone has got that much richer compared to the UK, so the euro zone is not quite the economic and monetary screw up that we are told here. | |||
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"If you actually read what I have said over all my posts you would realise that I am an inclusinist and pro EU federalist. " I have indeed read what you have written over the posts and I've noted you refer to yes supporters as bigots and call us a "cancerous growth." You've made your feelings on those of is who seek to have the government who run our country actually based in our country quite clear. You have also repeatedly illustrated a lack of understanding of the current situation, not least of all with you talk of adopting the euro which, I hope you now realise, was incorrect. You don't represent the majority of English people who would hold no ill-feeling to the Scots because we chose to have our own government. | |||
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" You don't represent the majority of English people who would hold no ill-feeling to the Scots because we chose to have our own government. " but thats the point... you already have your own government, which looks after all things at a scottish level already.... for example... if salmond wanted to turn scotland into a tax haven tomorrow, he could already alter the income tax rate by up to 3p in the pound under current legislation.... if he wanted to!
see the problem is too many people like to blame all the ill's on westminster when since 1999 (15 years) all local based decisions on scottish matters haven't been made there... they have been made at holyrood... | |||
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" but thats the point... you already have your own government, which looks after all things at a scottish level already.... for example... if salmond wanted to turn scotland into a tax haven tomorrow, he could already alter the income tax rate by up to 3p in the pound under current legislation.... if he wanted to!
see the problem is too many people like to blame all the ill's on westminster when since 1999 (15 years) all local based decisions on scottish matters haven't been made there... they have been made at holyrood..."Oh right. I didn't know that we had such control of 'all Scottish matters.' I'll let everyone know and we'll put a stop to this nonsense! You should do what john snow did a few weeks ago. He came up to Scotland for a week and toured and spoke to people. Now he fully understands. I'm not claiming he supports it, but he gets it. Maybe you need to be here. | |||
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"It seems many Scots vote Labour in the general election. We had 13 years of a Labour government and a Scot as Prime Minister in Gordon Brown for some of those 13 years in power. Scots can't really complain they never get the government they vote for." Seriously? We voted labour in '79, '83, '87 and '92 and we got Margaret Thatcher. We voted labour in 2010 and we got the parties that came 3rd and 4th. We vote and we cross our fingers and hope the country to our immediate south votes similarly. Democracy roulette. | |||
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"It seems many Scots vote Labour in the general election. We had 13 years of a Labour government and a Scot as Prime Minister in Gordon Brown for some of those 13 years in power. Scots can't really complain they never get the government they vote for. Seriously? We voted labour in '79, '83, '87 and '92 and we got Margaret Thatcher. We voted labour in 2010 and we got the parties that came 3rd and 4th. We vote and we cross our fingers and hope the country to our immediate south votes similarly. Democracy roulette. " As i said we had 13 years of a Labour government from 1997 onwards. It was'nt what i voted for but thats democracy, i accepted it because you can't always have it all your own way. | |||
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" As i said we had 13 years of a Labour government from 1997 onwards. It was'nt what i voted for but thats democracy, i accepted it because you can't always have it all your own way." This only makes sense if Scotland is a region and not a nation. Good luck with that. Our vote has no importance. We have one Tory mp here. One out of 59 seats. But the prime minister is a tory. It's an absolute nonsense. I'd like to live in a country where people feel their vote matters. It's much more healthy for the nation. The current set up is far from healthy. | |||
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" As i said we had 13 years of a Labour government from 1997 onwards. It was'nt what i voted for but thats democracy, i accepted it because you can't always have it all your own way. This only makes sense if Scotland is a region and not a nation. Good luck with that. Our vote has no importance. We have one Tory mp here. One out of 59 seats. But the prime minister is a tory. It's an absolute nonsense. I'd like to live in a country where people feel their vote matters. It's much more healthy for the nation. The current set up is far from healthy. " You could look at it the other way, here in England the Labour party has an unfair advantage over the tories in the first past the post system because of the way different constituency borders are set up. Tories often bring this up and feel they are being unfairly treated in the way we vote in this country. Anyway the tories did'nt win the last election.....no one did and we have a coalition government. The Prime minister is a tory and the deputy Prime minister is a Lib dem. | |||
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" The Prime minister is a tory and the deputy Prime minister is a Lib dem." I know. In Scotland, these people came 3rd and 4th in an election. That's ridiculous. Ukip just won the European elections in England. They came 4th in Scotland. | |||
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" one more question... who becomes scotlands "lender of last resort" in times of financial crisis.....because it won't be the bank of england? Who was Ireland's lender of last resort in 2008? " The friendly if dozy ECB. Ask the Irish how it feels to get loans on terms set by the ECB and pals. Still don't see the point of currency union with Scotland as the risk of default is high for new smaller states. That is a selfish view I know but Germany is now taking the hit for others mistakes so I think a small transaction cost for UK businesses with the new shiny SNP statelet will be sensible pre caution and even allow for canny opportunities those who see them on both sides of tbe border. | |||
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"If you actually read what I have said over all my posts you would realise that I am an inclusinist and pro EU federalist. I have indeed read what you have written over the posts and I've noted you refer to yes supporters as bigots and call us a "cancerous growth." You've made your feelings on those of is who seek to have the government who run our country actually based in our country quite clear. You have also repeatedly illustrated a lack of understanding of the current situation, not least of all with you talk of adopting the euro which, I hope you now realise, was incorrect. You don't represent the majority of English people who would hold no ill-feeling to the Scots because we chose to have our own government. " Yes, I call you a cancerous growth, because like all cancers you are a minority that takes hold in a small part of the body and eventually destroys that body. Fact is Scotland as a separate truly independent nation has not existed since 1603 (James 6th of Scotland and 1st of England). And now after 411 years you want to rip everything apart because the 5 million of you who live in the REGION of the United Kingdom called Scotland don't get to dictate to the other 50 million of us you want out! What a load of self centred crap. Wrap yourselves in your Saltire and a plague on you and yours I say! | |||
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