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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wrong. Kid could have an imbalance that causes weight gain. Parents shouldbe educated on healthy eating for themselves and their kids. It should have been caught by doctors or family earlier on, but the parents shouldn't have been arrested.
I was always a chubby kid, it wasn't til I was about 15 that I started gaining a lot of weight. But around that time I went on the pill (gained weight like crazy).
I was always a fussy eater and I wish my parents had forced me to eat more vegetables and do more exercise but its not their fault im the size and weight I am today. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the parents have claimed its genetic, that must mean they are fat and idle with no knowledge of whats right and wrong and ignorant enough to let their kid get to 15 stone at 11 yo,  |
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By *ampleme OP Man
over a year ago
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Surely this situation can be managed without such drastic actions. I would suspect the family would be traumatised by the authorities actions!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Parents arrested for letting their child become morbidly obese!!!!
Right or wrong?"
If they had starved their kids, no one would disagree, so why not the other way round. There's plenty of publicity and information about the health risks available so. unless it's a medical condition, yes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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That happened a few years ago as well with he parents of a 3 year old. He was so overweight the poor wee thing couldn't even walk. In that situation I agreed it was neglect as the child couldn't do anything about it himself he was too young and relying in his parents. But an 11 year old needs education and clearly so do his parents, but he's bound to be getting some of that at school and have some awareness of things he could do himself to help keep his weight down even if he's not getting support at home. God live him I'm sure the kids in his school have a field day with him they can be so cruel at that age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is a form of neglect if they are obese to the point of affecting their health. Puppy fat is obviously different, but allowing your children to become obese is wrong. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Parents arrested for letting their child become morbidly obese!!!!
Right or wrong?
If they had starved their kids, no one would disagree, so why not the other way round. There's plenty of publicity and information about the health risks available so. unless it's a medical condition, yes."
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't agree with splitting up families, i was taken off my parents and spent most of my life in and out of care homes and round verious foster families and from first hand experience its no life for child, however some of the kids you see now days are huge and something needs to be done about it, a woman i work with had a 10 year old who's a dress size 18, she gets bullies terrible at school, i really real for child, to be honest that alone would be enough to changed our eating habits |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wrong.
The child is at school during lunchtimes and is free to eat what they decide. In fact, at that age, there's only so much control a parent has over what that child eats. An intervention would have been just as effective if social services were really concerned.  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Wrong.
The child is at school during lunchtimes and is free to eat what they decide. In fact, at that age, there's only so much control a parent has over what that child eats. An intervention would have been just as effective if social services were really concerned. "
He must have been fed too much / the wrong type of food for years to get to that stage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wrong.
The child is at school during lunchtimes and is free to eat what they decide. In fact, at that age, there's only so much control a parent has over what that child eats. An intervention would have been just as effective if social services were really concerned. "
No child becomes obese during school lunch time and certainly not at age 11. Most primary schools drill the healthy eating agenda constantly.
The responsibility for a child is always with the parent, despite actions to the contrary. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I can't find a story on it...but if the parents had already had advice about their child and took no notice then I think something has to be done, although I can't see the point in arresting them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't agree with splitting up families, i was taken off my parents and spent most of my life in and out of care homes and round verious foster families and from first hand experience its no life for child, however some of the kids you see now days are huge and something needs to be done about it, a woman i work with had a 10 year old who's a dress size 18, she gets bullies terrible at school, i really real for child, to be honest that alone would be enough to changed our eating habits"
A lot of the time kids are eating as bored and loads of other things going on in there life and they cope eating to escape. Maybe some need to look at bigger picture and find out why they need to turn to food and that will take time and money and education .. something has to be done but people have got to wish to be helped some don't wish to ..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wrong.
The child is at school during lunchtimes and is free to eat what they decide. In fact, at that age, there's only so much control a parent has over what that child eats. An intervention would have been just as effective if social services were really concerned.
He must have been fed too much / the wrong type of food for years to get to that stage."
Again, it's all about education. I've seen children eating rubbish for years but with a metabolism faster than lightning burning it off. As it was mentioned before, putting a child into the system would do more harm than good.
Plus, you can also gain weight from eating too little as the body stores fat if it feels it's not getting enough food. With so many potential factors, arresting people isn't going to change things. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10880127/Parents-arrested-over-15-stone-child.html
Found it.
I still think unless the SS had tried all other avenues then an arrest is OTT...but the article didn't say whether the SS were involved long before the arrest or not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10880127/Parents-arrested-over-15-stone-child.html
Found it.
I still think unless the SS had tried all other avenues then an arrest is OTT...but the article didn't say whether the SS were involved long before the arrest or not."
This takes place in Norfolk. Do police there have nothing better to do? Is crime that low? According to the mother, the child's favourite snack is steamed broccoli. 
This is laughable. There are obese children throughout this country and as far as tipping the scales is concerned, we're still outdone by the US in terms of being an obese nation. All this situation needed was an intervention which included a diet plan and some steady exercise which would have cost a lot less than policing hours. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Children can be taken into care now for emotional neglect.
To me it is no different, some parents cannot be bothered to put the time or effort into cooking their kids a decent dinner.
Once a week as a treat for a takeaway, and that is how it should be treated as a treat,is fine, when I grew up Friday night was fish n chip night.
But some today a happy meal is the all too easy option.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10880127/Parents-arrested-over-15-stone-child.html
Found it.
I still think unless the SS had tried all other avenues then an arrest is OTT...but the article didn't say whether the SS were involved long before the arrest or not.
This takes place in Norfolk. Do police there have nothing better to do? Is crime that low? According to the mother, the child's favourite snack is steamed broccoli.
This is laughable. There are obese children throughout this country and as far as tipping the scales is concerned, we're still outdone by the US in terms of being an obese nation. All this situation needed was an intervention which included a diet plan and some steady exercise which would have cost a lot less than policing hours. "
Do the police have nothing better to do than protecting a child?
It's ok because there's another country even fatter than us?
Pretty weak arguments.
An arrest seems a bit strong, but I doubt it came from out of the blue and if it sends a message to the many parents that don't look after their children - then good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wrong. Kid could have an imbalance that causes weight gain. Parents shouldbe educated on healthy eating for themselves and their kids. It should have been caught by doctors or family earlier on, but the parents shouldn't have been arrested.
I was always a chubby kid, it wasn't til I was about 15 that I started gaining a lot of weight. But around that time I went on the pill (gained weight like crazy).
I was always a fussy eater and I wish my parents had forced me to eat more vegetables and do more exercise but its not their fault im the size and weight I am today. "
An imbalance that violates the basic laws of thermodynamics?
You only get fat if you eat more than you need. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"so its my mums fault im fat!!!!
You're an adult.
it was a joke fast food is the main problems with kids nowdays they should get help with dealing with it but oTT to take them away "
I think the main problem is with people's failure to accept personal responsibility. There's always something to blame - fast food, lifestyle, labels...
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By (user no longer on site)
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A little while ago they were going to put restrictions on times chippers open/kebab shops to shop kids going in before supper time to get food. Rather than stress the poor kid to hell - im sure they'll be under enough stress from bullies why not just let the kid meet the fattest people around? Use scare tactics. I was a chubber and weighed a good 12stone throughout most of my preteen and teen years until I took it into my own hands and got down to 9 I was bullied something rotten not only from school collegues but from family as well. Just stupid the parents got arrested. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10880127/Parents-arrested-over-15-stone-child.html
Found it.
I still think unless the SS had tried all other avenues then an arrest is OTT...but the article didn't say whether the SS were involved long before the arrest or not.
This takes place in Norfolk. Do police there have nothing better to do? Is crime that low? According to the mother, the child's favourite snack is steamed broccoli.
This is laughable. There are obese children throughout this country and as far as tipping the scales is concerned, we're still outdone by the US in terms of being an obese nation. All this situation needed was an intervention which included a diet plan and some steady exercise which would have cost a lot less than policing hours.
Do the police have nothing better to do than protecting a child?
It's ok because there's another country even fatter than us?
Pretty weak arguments.
An arrest seems a bit strong, but I doubt it came from out of the blue and if it sends a message to the many parents that don't look after their children - then good."
So arresting the parents of obese children is more important than sexual abuse of a child, rape, murder? Bearing in mind that genetics is a factor in obesity?  If this wasn't out of blue (how it came to this is still unclear), where was the social support? Why arrest the parents when it's easier to discuss the issues and build a plan moving forward. Shoving a child into care is a lot more damaging.
It's a knee jerk response. Not to mention the other potential pitfalls. Imagine a child with anorexia, bulimia or another eating disorder thinking "if I eat too much, my parents will go to jail."
You're right. It sends out messages. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A little while ago they were going to put restrictions on times chippers open/kebab shops to shop kids going in before supper time to get food. Rather than stress the poor kid to hell - im sure they'll be under enough stress from bullies why not just let the kid meet the fattest people around? Use scare tactics. I was a chubber and weighed a good 12stone throughout most of my preteen and teen years until I took it into my own hands and got down to 9 I was bullied something rotten not only from school collegues but from family as well. Just stupid the parents got arrested."
The kid fell over and couldn't get back up. At 5 ft tall and 15+ stone he is probably the fattest person around.
Although your suggestion isn't really going to be helping the self esteem of the fat people you use as scare tactics is it?
"Hey Jeff you mind if we bring a bunch of kids round to stare at how grotesque you are to hopefully scare them out of becoming ad fat as you" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It isn't a knee jerk response, I just heard it on the news and they've been involved with the family for some time. But I guess that doesn't suit your argument too well.
The abuse/rape thing is pathetic - you think a copper walked past a woman being raped to pull the fat kid out of a house?
When the child is ignored and dies from neglect the reactions are suddenly very different. |
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I know someone who had her children weighed at school by the nurses, she was mortified when the report came back as being overweight, one of them obese, she's 10.....yet she forgets (conveniently) all the FB posts she puts on about takeaways for them, mcd's, pizza etc..... All the time, doh!!!!!
Don't even get me started on the bad teeth articles of late!!!!
Stop feeding your children shite, and stop filling them full of , it's gonna rot their teeth, 3 year old children hospitalised for teeth removing, disgusting, it's a no brainier....
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10880127/Parents-arrested-over-15-stone-child.html
Found it.
I still think unless the SS had tried all other avenues then an arrest is OTT...but the article didn't say whether the SS were involved long before the arrest or not.
This takes place in Norfolk. Do police there have nothing better to do? Is crime that low? According to the mother, the child's favourite snack is steamed broccoli.
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The mum also said she didn't think the childs weight was a problem. It is and probably why the SS were called.
The article doesn't say if the parents had ignored any advice given by SS prior to the arrest but if they had then I still don't know what that would achieve as they would still have the same attitude. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Parents arrested for letting their child become morbidly obese!!!!
Right or wrong?"
If they have ignored the hoards of advice and nutritional information that will have been constantly given to them along with dietician support then yes its right
If they had starved a child they would be arrested too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Its was not the place of the police to step in I feel. School and social services should have been there to help .This child has autism so thrives on structure and routine to remove him from his parents is just plain wrong They need support not criminalising this is not the way to deal with a child in need of help. |
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"Its was not the place of the police to step in I feel. School and social services should have been there to help .This child has autism so thrives on structure and routine to remove him from his parents is just plain wrong They need support not criminalising this is not the way to deal with a child in need of help."
They were as I heard it. And by the sound of it it's a desperate attempt to deal with the parents, not the child. |
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"Its was not the place of the police to step in I feel. School and social services should have been there to help .This child has autism so thrives on structure and routine to remove him from his parents is just plain wrong They need support not criminalising this is not the way to deal with a child in need of help."
I work with menwwith learning disabilities and challenging behaviour, some have autism and food is their life. I agree the parents need support.
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"Its was not the place of the police to step in I feel. School and social services should have been there to help .This child has autism so thrives on structure and routine to remove him from his parents is just plain wrong They need support not criminalising this is not the way to deal with a child in need of help.
They were as I heard it. And by the sound of it it's a desperate attempt to deal with the parents, not the child."
well they all need to put this child first and doing this just make things worse, Its not the job of the police, It Support from people in the right places is whats needed and social services have things they can put into place to help this family . So I feel they are the ones not doing there job here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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From the Independent:
"The 49-year-old and his wife, 43, were both questioned under caution after doctors at the Queen Elizabeth hospital contacted police after treating the boy twice in March.
The pair were subsequently visited by social workers and agreed to a letter of intent over the 11-year-old’s care. If they fail to comply, legal proceedings will reportedly be started to take the child into care.
But the pair insisted they were trying to keep their son at a healthy weight and encouraged him to take regular exercise.
They said they had been threatened with legal action earlier this year and had signed up to a voluntary plan to address their son’s weight issues, with little success."
That's the hospital, social services and finally the police. What extra help should they need? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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When a GP is that concerned that he feels he needs to call the police then that is a serious concern
The child needs to be protected from his parents if they going to continue to feed him to death under the pretext of all the family is big therefore its natural he will be too
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"It isn't a knee jerk response, I just heard it on the news and they've been involved with the family for some time. But I guess that doesn't suit your argument too well.
The abuse/rape thing is pathetic - you think a copper walked past a woman being raped to pull the fat kid out of a house?
When the child is ignored and dies from neglect the reactions are suddenly very different."
It's only pathetic because, in comparison, it's clear to see which is more important. Who was involved with the family? Social services or the police? I'm sure by the mother's distress that they were really helpful. The kid was apparently a fan of steamed broccoli. Does that sound unhealthy to you? Some people are big than others. We are all different shapes and sizes and we do our best but for some, that is simply not possible.
Parenting is not easy and parents will make mistakes. In a world where we are working longer hours and trying to make ends meet, people are living and eating on the go. That's an issue.
Parents worry about making sure their children have enough to eat. For some, that's good thing and for others, it's not. That's an issue.
Involving the police is over the top. It's a social services issue at best and they should remain with the family for as long as it takes, not separate them and cause pain and trauma for child and parent alike.
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"From the Independent:
"The 49-year-old and his wife, 43, were both questioned under caution after doctors at the Queen Elizabeth hospital contacted police after treating the boy twice in March.
The pair were subsequently visited by social workers and agreed to a letter of intent over the 11-year-old’s care. If they fail to comply, legal proceedings will reportedly be started to take the child into care.
But the pair insisted they were trying to keep their son at a healthy weight and encouraged him to take regular exercise.
They said they had been threatened with legal action earlier this year and had signed up to a voluntary plan to address their son’s weight issues, with little success."
That's the hospital, social services and finally the police. What extra help should they need?"
If they really cared, as long as it takes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier. |
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"What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier."
Of course, but we have to police it? There are enough systems in places that we don't have to call in the law. There are enough children in care as it is.
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"Advice and support don't seem to have worked. Hopefully this will and the child won't be separated from the parents."
I hope so but we both know it's unlikely now the police are involved thus creating a bigger problem. |
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“His weight isn’t that much of a big deal. I’m chubby and the whole of my husband’s side of the family is big. It’s genetics - you can be genetically fat.”
The first sentence worries me a lot!! How she can't be concerned over it is terrible. Apparently he fell over and couldn't get back up.
And you cannot be genetically fat. You can have a gene that means you are more predisposed to over eating and a big appetite, yeah you will probably need more willpower and stuff to stay at a decent weight but if you eat healthy the same as everyone else you won't still weigh double what you should. |
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"Its was not the place of the police to step in I feel. School and social services should have been there to help .This child has autism so thrives on structure and routine to remove him from his parents is just plain wrong They need support not criminalising this is not the way to deal with a child in need of help."
They did provide support and advice and ultimatums. They were ignored should the SS have just turned around and gone " ah well we tried" and walked away? |
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" In the USA they send there kids to fat camps to get there weight down .? Maybe that will start over here. "
It does happen the kid goes has a balanced diet and exercise loses weight and starts getting healthy then comes home and is fed piles of crap by thier parents thwn get fat and unhealthy again.
Oh and at 15 stone at his age odds are this kid is now permanently disfigured by this unless he dedicates the next 10 years of his life to losing the weight very slowly and controlled even then he won't ever return to having a normal body and will be more at risk for holding the extra weight for so long |
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"What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier.
Of course, but we have to police it? There are enough systems in places that we don't have to call in the law. There are enough children in care as it is.
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police have to be present when a child is removed from a household.
There clearly arnt enough systems in place as we cannot control what the parent does when we are not there |
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Govt should take a long term _iew and start providing free swimming/football/cricket etc for everyone U16. Average cost to play sport for a year is probably £250 per child which deters a lot of families from sending their kids. There should also be age restrictions on fast food similar to alcohol, so many schools have a McDs or chip shop or similar close by which are packed after school.
Obesity is a massive issue globally and unfortunately people are burying their heads in the sand and hoping it will go away, it won't without proper education and a proper structure to get kids exercising more.
Arresting people seems extreme but hopefully it will open peoples eyes to the issues. |
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"“His weight isn’t that much of a big deal. I’m chubby and the whole of my husband’s side of the family is big. It’s genetics - you can be genetically fat.”
The first sentence worries me a lot!! How she can't be concerned over it is terrible. Apparently he fell over and couldn't get back up.
And you cannot be genetically fat. You can have a gene that means you are more predisposed to over eating and a big appetite, yeah you will probably need more willpower and stuff to stay at a decent weight but if you eat healthy the same as everyone else you won't still weigh double what you should. "
I remember a TV program on channel 4 I think and they investigated families who used excuses like they had low metabolisms and the fat gene. The families were sent to labs to have the gene looked for and their metabolisms tested and they had high metabolisms and no fat gene.
If a child has overweight parents, they're more likely to be overweight because the child picks up their parents habits and will eat what the parents provide.
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"What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier.
Of course, but we have to police it? There are enough systems in places that we don't have to call in the law. There are enough children in care as it is.
police have to be present when a child is removed from a household.
There clearly arnt enough systems in place as we cannot control what the parent does when we are not there"
We? This is what I'm talking about. We are making decisions on how parents raise their children. Wanting to control and dictate how other people raise their kids. One parent is struggling to feed to feed their child the best they can, Social get called in. One parent is feeding their child the best they can, Social get called in. Both parents, in both cases, love their children and trying to do the best by them in a country that has far bigger problems than a child's diet and eating habits. |
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"“His weight isn’t that much of a big deal. I’m chubby and the whole of my husband’s side of the family is big. It’s genetics - you can be genetically fat.”
The first sentence worries me a lot!! How she can't be concerned over it is terrible. Apparently he fell over and couldn't get back up.
And you cannot be genetically fat. You can have a gene that means you are more predisposed to over eating and a big appetite, yeah you will probably need more willpower and stuff to stay at a decent weight but if you eat healthy the same as everyone else you won't still weigh double what you should.
I remember a TV program on channel 4 I think and they investigated families who used excuses like they had low metabolisms and the fat gene. The families were sent to labs to have the gene looked for and their metabolisms tested and they had high metabolisms and no fat gene.
If a child has overweight parents, they're more likely to be overweight because the child picks up their parents habits and will eat what the parents provide.
crystal"
I used to work in a deli/bakery and there was a mum & dad used to bring their little one in every day about 9am and get her a bacon and sausage baguette. That's 3 slices of bacon and a jumbo sausage in a buttered 9 inch crusty baguette. Didn't know how old she was at the time but I think now she was about the same age as my lad who's 3. She had rolls on rolls going down her arms and waddled along where her legs were so big. It was awful. Lots of parents used to bring their kids in, I still go in with my lad to say hi, maybe once every couple of weeks. But most parents would get their kids a little sausage roll or a cheese puff as a treat now and then. Not a man sized baguette. |
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"What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier.
Of course, but we have to police it? There are enough systems in places that we don't have to call in the law. There are enough children in care as it is.
police have to be present when a child is removed from a household.
There clearly arnt enough systems in place as we cannot control what the parent does when we are not there
We? This is what I'm talking about. We are making decisions on how parents raise their children. Wanting to control and dictate how other people raise their kids. One parent is struggling to feed to feed their child the best they can, Social get called in. One parent is feeding their child the best they can, Social get called in. Both parents, in both cases, love their children and trying to do the best by them in a country that has far bigger problems than a child's diet and eating habits."
And one of those problems is apparently a strain on the nhs, where in a few years time this child will end up needing them a lot if they end up with diabetes, heart problems and so on if nothing is done. |
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I'm assuming that all the people defending the parents and complaining about social services involvement have never criticised social services for not doing enough when a child dies or is neglected?
Or do we pick and choose when their involvement is acceptable based on our own uninformed perception? |
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We? This is what I'm talking about. We are making decisions on how parents raise their children. Wanting to control and dictate how other people raise their kids. One parent is struggling to feed to feed their child the best they can, Social get called in. One parent is feeding their child the best they can, Social get called in. Both parents, in both cases, love their children and trying to do the best by them in a country that has far bigger problems than a child's diet and eating habits."
But a childs diet is a problem if it gets them to weigh 15 stone at 11.
You mentioned the child likes broccoli on another post....me too, but I also like eating too many goodies ....that and no exercise is what makes a person put on weight and the quicker the parents realise this the better for the child.
They may think they are looking after their kid the best way they can, but they are not if they are denying there is a problem. |
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Choosing to become fat as an adult is very different from neglecting your child to the point it is detrimental to their health.
In those circumstances I'm very much in favour of the authorities acting in the best interests of the child. |
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"Choosing to become fat as an adult is very different from neglecting your child to the point it is detrimental to their health.
In those circumstances I'm very much in favour of the authorities acting in the best interests of the child."
Education's the key. Like my work we have to do a 6 monthly fitness test. Maybe they should introduce that into schools?? |
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"I'm assuming that all the people defending the parents and complaining about social services involvement have never criticised social services for not doing enough when a child dies or is neglected?
Or do we pick and choose when their involvement is acceptable based on our own uninformed perception? "
I think it is the arresting of the parents that some people think is OTT rather than questioning that the SS are involved |
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"i think its very cruel to let your kids get too fat, same as people who let their cats and dogs get too fat.
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"Choosing to become fat as an adult is very different from neglecting your child to the point it is detrimental to their health.
In those circumstances I'm very much in favour of the authorities acting in the best interests of the child.
Education's the key. Like my work we have to do a 6 monthly fitness test. Maybe they should introduce that into schools?? "
Parents are already made aware in various ways about the health of their children. |
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Schools not longer playing compulsory competitive sport, PE being taken out of the curriculum, school playing fields being sold and combined with the rise technology which encourages lethargy and processed food with horrendous levels of sugar, fat and salt and is it any wonder we have an issue? |
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"What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier.
Of course, but we have to police it? There are enough systems in places that we don't have to call in the law. There are enough children in care as it is.
police have to be present when a child is removed from a household.
There clearly arnt enough systems in place as we cannot control what the parent does when we are not there
We? This is what I'm talking about. We are making decisions on how parents raise their children. Wanting to control and dictate how other people raise their kids. One parent is struggling to feed to feed their child the best they can, Social get called in. One parent is feeding their child the best they can, Social get called in. Both parents, in both cases, love their children and trying to do the best by them in a country that has far bigger problems than a child's diet and eating habits.
And one of those problems is apparently a strain on the nhs, where in a few years time this child will end up needing them a lot if they end up with diabetes, heart problems and so on if nothing is done. "
I can appreciate that.
What I don't like is fixing one problem at the expense of another. |
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"Choosing to become fat as an adult is very different from neglecting your child to the point it is detrimental to their health.
In those circumstances I'm very much in favour of the authorities acting in the best interests of the child.
Education's the key. Like my work we have to do a 6 monthly fitness test. Maybe they should introduce that into schools??
Parents are already made aware in various ways about the health of their children. "
Aren't they just!! Lol
If that's the case then the parents should be hung out to dry. They've been told of their child's health yet still not done anything about it. Yeah I know there's all the sociological factors etc but it costs nothing to go for a walk round the block, building up to a run, put in a few press ups and sit ups and job's a good'en!!
It's all about lifestyle choice. If the parents can't care for themselves what hope has the wee one got? |
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"Schools not longer playing compulsory competitive sport, PE being taken out of the curriculum, school playing fields being sold and combined with the rise technology which encourages lethargy and processed food with horrendous levels of sugar, fat and salt and is it any wonder we have an issue?"
and the parents get it in the neck. |
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10880127/Parents-arrested-over-15-stone-child.html
Found it.
I still think unless the SS had tried all other avenues then an arrest is OTT...but the article didn't say whether the SS were involved long before the arrest or not.
This takes place in Norfolk. Do police there have nothing better to do? Is crime that low? According to the mother, the child's favourite snack is steamed broccoli.
This is laughable. There are obese children throughout this country and as far as tipping the scales is concerned, we're still outdone by the US in terms of being an obese nation. All this situation needed was an intervention which included a diet plan and some steady exercise which would have cost a lot less than policing hours.
Do the police have nothing better to do than protecting a child?
It's ok because there's another country even fatter than us?
Pretty weak arguments.
An arrest seems a bit strong, but I doubt it came from out of the blue and if it sends a message to the many parents that don't look after their children - then good."
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"Schools not longer playing compulsory competitive sport, PE being taken out of the curriculum, school playing fields being sold and combined with the rise technology which encourages lethargy and processed food with horrendous levels of sugar, fat and salt and is it any wonder we have an issue?
and the parents get it in the neck. "
And why not? the parents could make sure their kids are not fed crap and take some exercise....you don't need anything other than a good run in the park / game of footie etc which costs nothing.
Surely you can't blame everyone else for something a parent should be doing for their child? |
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"Schools not longer playing compulsory competitive sport, PE being taken out of the curriculum, school playing fields being sold and combined with the rise technology which encourages lethargy and processed food with horrendous levels of sugar, fat and salt and is it any wonder we have an issue?
and the parents get it in the neck.
And why not? the parents could make sure their kids are not fed crap and take some exercise....you don't need anything other than a good run in the park / game of footie etc which costs nothing.
Surely you can't blame everyone else for something a parent should be doing for their child?"
Parents are ultimately responsible for their kids full stop. But the change in society over the past 30 years has been monumental and is a significant contributory factor. |
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Parents are ultimately responsible for their kids full stop. But the change in society over the past 30 years has been monumental and is a significant contributory factor."
It is yes...although a parent can find ways around the way things have changed...if they wanted to of course |
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"Schools not longer playing compulsory competitive sport, PE being taken out of the curriculum, school playing fields being sold and combined with the rise technology which encourages lethargy and processed food with horrendous levels of sugar, fat and salt and is it any wonder we have an issue?
and the parents get it in the neck.
And why not? the parents could make sure their kids are not fed crap and take some exercise....you don't need anything other than a good run in the park / game of footie etc which costs nothing.
Surely you can't blame everyone else for something a parent should be doing for their child?"
I'm not simply blaming. The world has become a lot different to the one many of us grew up in.
I'm all for a healthy lifestyle. I play football 2-3 times a week, love walking eat a varied and balanced diet. I feel for the parents because many of these parents are working two jobs during evenings and weekends and may not have the time to spend with their children in these activities. Some activities cost money that a lot of these families haven't got. So I'm sympathetic as it's easy to judge but not everyone has the time or resources to pursue such a lifestyle.
There is support for families in these situations and that should be encouraged, not arresting people. Way too extreme.
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"Schools not longer playing compulsory competitive sport, PE being taken out of the curriculum, school playing fields being sold and combined with the rise technology which encourages lethargy and processed food with horrendous levels of sugar, fat and salt and is it any wonder we have an issue?
and the parents get it in the neck.
And why not? the parents could make sure their kids are not fed crap and take some exercise....you don't need anything other than a good run in the park / game of footie etc which costs nothing.
Surely you can't blame everyone else for something a parent should be doing for their child?
I'm not simply blaming. The world has become a lot different to the one many of us grew up in.
I'm all for a healthy lifestyle. I play football 2-3 times a week, love walking eat a varied and balanced diet. I feel for the parents because many of these parents are working two jobs during evenings and weekends and may not have the time to spend with their children in these activities. Some activities cost money that a lot of these families haven't got. So I'm sympathetic as it's easy to judge but not everyone has the time or resources to pursue such a lifestyle.
There is support for families in these situations and that should be encouraged, not arresting people. Way too extreme.
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There is no excuse for allowing children to become obese,if you are still ignorant about nutrition,calorie intake vs calories used after being educated and supported then you are abusing that child and that child needs to be protected from harm
Im glad ill be retired when the majority of patients that come into hospital are so obese it takes 6 people to move,wash,roll and toilet people every 2 hours because its back breaking,time consuming and becoming more and more common |
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"There is no excuse for allowing children to become obese,if you are still ignorant about nutrition,calorie intake vs calories used after being educated and supported then you are abusing that child and that child needs to be protected from harm
Im glad ill be retired when the majority of patients that come into hospital are so obese it takes 6 people to move,wash,roll and toilet people every 2 hours because its back breaking,time consuming and becoming more and more common"
I have a friend who designs the thingy's they use for moving fat people about in care homes/hospitals etc. It's a growth industry apparently. |
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"There is no excuse for allowing children to become obese,if you are still ignorant about nutrition,calorie intake vs calories used after being educated and supported then you are abusing that child and that child needs to be protected from harm
Im glad ill be retired when the majority of patients that come into hospital are so obese it takes 6 people to move,wash,roll and toilet people every 2 hours because its back breaking,time consuming and becoming more and more common
I have a friend who designs the thingy's they use for moving fat people about in care homes/hospitals etc. It's a growth industry apparently."
It most definately is,and thats very sad because it can be prevented |
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"why the bloody hell would it be someone else's responsibility to feed a child appropriately....
apart from the parents/guardians"
It's the blameless society. Some people blame everyone else for their own shit. |
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Children learn their eating habits from home, also their attitudes to food.
Unless there is genuine medical condition, overall then parents are to blame. And this child has a medical condition and maybe the parents could not cope .. Why it's come to this . They do need help but police is not the way. They need support and educated to help to understand nutrition and calories .. We don't know the ins and outs of their life and it may be very hard to keep control of the child and they cope with treats like food , We don't know. |
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"Schools not longer playing compulsory competitive sport, PE being taken out of the curriculum, school playing fields being sold and combined with the rise technology which encourages lethargy and processed food with horrendous levels of sugar, fat and salt and is it any wonder we have an issue?
and the parents get it in the neck.
And why not? the parents could make sure their kids are not fed crap and take some exercise....you don't need anything other than a good run in the park / game of footie etc which costs nothing.
Surely you can't blame everyone else for something a parent should be doing for their child?
I'm not simply blaming. The world has become a lot different to the one many of us grew up in.
I'm all for a healthy lifestyle. I play football 2-3 times a week, love walking eat a varied and balanced diet. I feel for the parents because many of these parents are working two jobs during evenings and weekends and may not have the time to spend with their children in these activities. Some activities cost money that a lot of these families haven't got. So I'm sympathetic as it's easy to judge but not everyone has the time or resources to pursue such a lifestyle.
There is support for families in these situations and that should be encouraged, not arresting people. Way too extreme.
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Maybe use less money on food that is no good for them and use that money for activities if they feel the need to pay for exercise.
Exercise doesn't need to cost money though.
If parents are at work too much, who is looking after the kids anyway? Surely someone is, which means they could do the things that the working parent can't.
Parents need to be responsible for their own children.
I am still agreeing with you on one point though, I am not sure arresting the parents would achieve anything if the SS have not got through to them before now. |
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In my family,as children,4 of us were thin,1 was average and one overweight. Up until our mid 30s 40s we all stayed thin,my overweight sibling got fatter and fatter. We all had access to the same food as children,she had a bigger appetite from a baby. None of us were particularly sporty,just school pe and playing out when we could |
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"What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier.
Of course, but we have to police it? There are enough systems in places that we don't have to call in the law. There are enough children in care as it is.
police have to be present when a child is removed from a household.
There clearly arnt enough systems in place as we cannot control what the parent does when we are not there
We? This is what I'm talking about. We are making decisions on how parents raise their children. Wanting to control and dictate how other people raise their kids. One parent is struggling to feed to feed their child the best they can, Social get called in. One parent is feeding their child the best they can, Social get called in. Both parents, in both cases, love their children and trying to do the best by them in a country that has far bigger problems than a child's diet and eating habits."
Err yes society has decided that it should interfere when people abuse thier children making you 5 ft child 15 St at 11 is jist as much abuse as starving him.
In fact malnutrition is easier to fix. He will live with the disfigurement caused by this for the rest of his life even with surgery |
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"What isn't possible? Eating healthily and being active is possible for just about all children in this country.
Encouraging such is possible for all parents. But then so is making excuses, which is a lot easier.
Of course, but we have to police it? There are enough systems in places that we don't have to call in the law. There are enough children in care as it is.
police have to be present when a child is removed from a household.
There clearly arnt enough systems in place as we cannot control what the parent does when we are not there
We? This is what I'm talking about. We are making decisions on how parents raise their children. Wanting to control and dictate how other people raise their kids. One parent is struggling to feed to feed their child the best they can, Social get called in. One parent is feeding their child the best they can, Social get called in. Both parents, in both cases, love their children and trying to do the best by them in a country that has far bigger problems than a child's diet and eating habits."
Err yes society has decided that it should interfere when people abuse thier children making you 5 ft child 15 St at 11 is jist as much abuse as starving him.
In fact malnutrition is easier to fix. He will live with the disfigurement caused by this for the rest of his life even with surgery |
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"If they halved their food bill they could put that towards some activities..
I agree,plus walking costs nothing
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"I'm assuming that all the people defending the parents and complaining about social services involvement have never criticised social services for not doing enough when a child dies or is neglected?
Or do we pick and choose when their involvement is acceptable based on our own uninformed perception? "
This!
When I first read the story my thought was they ignore when a child is abused and killed by a parent but pretty quick of the mark to call in the police because the kid is fat, but then I thought you can't cherry pick what abuse is acceptable.
The parents have a problem because they don't recognise there's a problem. The poor boy is probably having a shitty time at school too. |
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"If they halved their food bill they could put that towards some activities..
I agree,plus walking costs nothing
What's the family's income? This might help but it's not a certainty as they may still could need help towards costs.
Being arrested and cautioned will make finding work interesting though. "
Whatever their income if they spend less on food they have more available to spend on other things.
If you really want to plead the poverty argument try explaining to me why you don't see 15 stone kids in countries with a food shortage?
And then factor in that a walk is free. A run is free. Playing at the park is free. Or maybe they need somebody else to do that for them too? |
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"Totally correct....every bit as much abuse and neglect as starving them.....
They said it was "genetic".... He inherited eating pies methinks!"
though I don't agree with over feeding kids I personally do not see it as abusive as starving a child as starvation is a deliberate act of cruelty where as most over weight kids tend to have over weight parents and the parents are just feeding their kids the same as they eat and they see nothing wrong with it, to me its more a case of re education whole families sometimes |
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"It isn't a knee jerk response, I just heard it on the news and they've been involved with the family for some time. But I guess that doesn't suit your argument too well.
The abuse/rape thing is pathetic - you think a copper walked past a woman being raped to pull the fat kid out of a house?
When the child is ignored and dies from neglect the reactions are suddenly very different."
Well said.....
Anyone see the prig last night re diabetes.... Scary scary stuff- and it's 80% caused by diet/ lifestyle.... Parents have got to take responsibility , and not fall prey to the marketing might of fags booze carry outs ( Eat! , don't cook!.... My god! ) big M's etc etc |
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One of the country’s leading nutritional experts, tasked by the government with proposing new limits for the nation’s sugar consumption, is working as a paid adviser to Coca-Cola and Mars.
Professor Ian Macdonald chairs a government panel examining the health impact of sugar consumption, amid growing concern that excessive amounts in food are fuelling the obesity epidemic.
It will recommend to the government later this year what level of sugar in our diet is healthy, helping to frame the national guidance.
So whatever Coca-Cola and Mars decide that will become the nutritional experts _iew as well.
Don't blame the companies for selling products from mars to bottles of water with sugar in, nor the government for not imposting rules to try and stop junk food is cheaper than healthy food.
Blame the people for buying the stuff and for getting fat. Sadly companies within last few years food and sugar/salt levels found have to be clearly displayed, thats only because of the EU and the fear of fines.
The EU is giving people the power when it comes to what we eat, consumer rights etc and removing it from governments, pvt companies who clearly for years have done as they wished.
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If a kid's health has been put at serious risk, then desperate measures are called for. Like others, we would expect malnutrition, including starvation to be treated seriously so obese causation, that is due to parental treatment, needs action. Dont know the case, but would prefer kids to stay at home. |
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I'm sure kids aren't taken straight away, they would have to give parents a warning and a chance to change things, and take kids as a last result
If they have had a warning and have been told they will have their kids taken if things don't change yet they still keep over feeding their kids I suppose you have to ask yourself what does that tell you about the parents
its a difficult one, I don't want to see any child put into care when it can be avoided but how many chances do you give people before you follow the threats through |
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my kids were weird, I have 3 girls, two are really slim, my youngest is what I suppose most would call skinny, yet my middle daughter has always been chubby, not obese but always carried a bit of weight, I fed them all the same yet two was slim and one wasn't |
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"my kids were weird, I have 3 girls, two are really slim, my youngest is what I suppose most would call skinny, yet my middle daughter has always been chubby, not obese but always carried a bit of weight, I fed them all the same yet two was slim and one wasn't"
People are different.
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There are plenty of unhealthy skinny kids too. This story is ridiculous. so long as there is love and happiness. If this story isabout neglect, that's a different matter. peace and love people x |
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"If they halved their food bill they could put that towards some activities..
I agree,plus walking costs nothing
What's the family's income? This might help but it's not a certainty as they may still could need help towards costs.
Being arrested and cautioned will make finding work interesting though.
Whatever their income if they spend less on food they have more available to spend on other things.
If you really want to plead the poverty argument try explaining to me why you don't see 15 stone kids in countries with a food shortage?
And then factor in that a walk is free. A run is free. Playing at the park is free. Or maybe they need somebody else to do that for them too?"
You didn't have to go all the way to developing countries to find children going without. UK poverty is a reality. Plus, processed goods are easy to buy in bulk with the amount of £1 stores about which has helped (albeit in a twisted way) lower income families. I'll leave the poverty issue alone, simply because that is another issue for another day.
You're right. A walk is free, a run is free and a play in the park is free. My friend has a child who does all three and he's pretty big! (I need to warn her!) We are different. We all do our best to be the best we can be and some people will fall short of that. Weight gain and loss can be fast and slow. Sometimes it's minimal. Personally, I struggle to gain weight. I've tried and I've found it difficult. The same way some struggle to lose it. The way I see it is that this family is being penalised for not trying hard enough and since we only have media coverage as to how this case went down, We're quick to judge. There's a high chance that the people making these decisions are not exactly gym fit themselves. |
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"There are plenty of unhealthy skinny kids too. This story is ridiculous. so long as there is love and happiness. If this story isabout neglect, that's a different matter. peace and love people x"
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"poor child to be taken into care..
think that might effect him more for the rest of his life than being fat.yes you maybe right in saying this . "
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I have three words when it comes to child obesity:
1) sugar
2) sugar
3) sugar
Yes, there are other evils but the amount of sugars consumed must surely be the main reason for child obesity? Calories and portions yes but children are active and burn it off.
Many processed food, condiments, fruit juices, soft drinks, breakfast cereals and most lunch box snacks all have sugar in common. Even bread for god sake!
It all comes down in my opinion to reduced home cooked meals and lack of cooking skills in general. People talk about the lack of time but if you plan your life properly then it can be done even by those who lead hectic lifestyles.
I've got a friend who does all this keto diet, caveman stuff and spends ages preping his food every evening. You should see his children's lunch box full of sugars and processes crap.
Awareness needs to be be increased as although we have more knowledge then say the year 2000, we have a long way to go!
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I am fat!
I am the middle of three girls, brought up in the same household eating the same home cooked food as my sisters...no access to money or food outside.
My younger sister is and always has been stick thin. My older sister is plump and always has been.....I was from teens fat and continue to be so.....had a fat maternal grandmother and mother...
My older sister has two kids, my nephew is stick thin, my niece is plump. My son is stick thin.
There are more factors than eating
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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11year old 5'1" 15 stone is horrible the parents obviously think filling the poor kid up on shit fatty sugar filled food is a good thing..
in a single dad yeah im a bit overweight but my kids are fed good home cooked food stews chilli wraps homemade burgers fish pie etc etc but the time it takes is minimul for healthy kids all three of mine play sport from Gymnastics to table tennis to rugby league cricket n football its all down to lazy good for nothing parents. IM not a perfect dad never get any awards but i love my boys n playing a game in the park gets my arse off the sofa too evryone is a winner so top tips
cook good food
get them off the xbox
get them enroled into sports clubs
take them out to the park etc
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"11year old 5'1" 15 stone is horrible the parents obviously think filling the poor kid up on shit fatty sugar filled food is a good thing..
in a single dad yeah im a bit overweight but my kids are fed good home cooked food stews chilli wraps homemade burgers fish pie etc etc but the time it takes is minimul for healthy kids all three of mine play sport from Gymnastics to table tennis to rugby league cricket n football its all down to lazy good for nothing parents. IM not a perfect dad never get any awards but i love my boys n playing a game in the park gets my arse off the sofa too evryone is a winner so top tips
cook good food
get them off the xbox
get them enroled into sports clubs
take them out to the park etc
try n replace mars bars with fruit
keep off the Pepsi "
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not sure why people who are adults are declaring their size, it is about the children.
adults make their own choice ( unless genuine health challenges determine size )
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"I am fat!
I am the middle of three girls, brought up in the same household eating the same home cooked food as my sisters...no access to money or food outside.
My younger sister is and always has been stick thin. My older sister is plump and always has been.....I was from teens fat and continue to be so.....had a fat maternal grandmother and mother...
My older sister has two kids, my nephew is stick thin, my niece is plump. My son is stick thin.
There are more factors than eating
And frankly I have other priorities in my life, if I offend folks they do not need to speak to me."
So maybe you could enlighten us as to why those 'factors' don't apply to the rest of Europe where obesity levels are significantly lower than the UK |
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It could be argued as to why we need our kids to be fit and healthy?
Work is becoming more automated, most kids idea of fun is to stay in with their mates and play computer games, many jobs can be done at home as they are mainly done using a computer, the government is concerned that pensions are un affordable as people are living longer; so in terms of having a population fit for the nations needs obese kids are a bonus.
But back to the question; parents are only part of the equation there are (as the previous threads have highlighted) many other contributing factors.
Persnally, as a perent, anything that affected my kids health, over eating, under aged sex, drugs, over training, alchol... I'd do all I could to educate and influence them to make sure they stayed fit healthy and safe; maybe the parents of the child are in court not because their kid is fat but because they could have done more and didn't? |
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"not sure why people who are adults are declaring their size, it is about the children.
adults make their own choice ( unless genuine health challenges determine size )
kids are led by parents."
I was going to say the same about the adults getting offended
I don't think any rational person can deny that there is a massive epidemic of obesity now that includes children,there wasn't when I was a child,there may have been the occasional overweight child in a class yet now its far far more,that is nothing to do with genetics,the majority of that is due to,ignorance, poor nutrition and lack of exercise,nothing more,and getting defensive about it isn't going to change something thats going to get worse in the next few years |
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"It could be argued as to why we need our kids to be fit and healthy?
Work is becoming more automated, most kids idea of fun is to stay in with their mates and play computer games, many jobs can be done at home as they are mainly done using a computer, the government is concerned that pensions are un affordable as people are living longer; so in terms of having a population fit for the nations needs obese kids are a bonus.
But back to the question; parents are only part of the equation there are (as the previous threads have highlighted) many other contributing factors.
Persnally, as a perent, anything that affected my kids health, over eating, under aged sex, drugs, over training, alchol... I'd do all I could to educate and influence them to make sure they stayed fit healthy and safe; maybe the parents of the child are in court not because their kid is fat but because they could have done more and didn't?"
Need to be healthy?..because for the first time in generations many children are unlikely to outlive their parents. |
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"my kids were weird, I have 3 girls, two are really slim, my youngest is what I suppose most would call skinny, yet my middle daughter has always been chubby, not obese but always carried a bit of weight, I fed them all the same yet two was slim and one wasn't"
Mine were the same, youngest and eldest slim, middle one got as big as a size 16 at one point. Now all three are size eights. |
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"If they halved their food bill they could put that towards some activities..
I agree,plus walking costs nothing
What's the family's income? This might help but it's not a certainty as they may still could need help towards costs.
Being arrested and cautioned will make finding work interesting though.
Whatever their income if they spend less on food they have more available to spend on other things.
If you really want to plead the poverty argument try explaining to me why you don't see 15 stone kids in countries with a food shortage?
And then factor in that a walk is free. A run is free. Playing at the park is free. Or maybe they need somebody else to do that for them too?
You didn't have to go all the way to developing countries to find children going without. UK poverty is a reality. Plus, processed goods are easy to buy in bulk with the amount of £1 stores about which has helped (albeit in a twisted way) lower income families. I'll leave the poverty issue alone, simply because that is another issue for another day.
You're right. A walk is free, a run is free and a play in the park is free. My friend has a child who does all three and he's pretty big! (I need to warn her!) We are different. We all do our best to be the best we can be and some people will fall short of that. Weight gain and loss can be fast and slow. Sometimes it's minimal. Personally, I struggle to gain weight. I've tried and I've found it difficult. The same way some struggle to lose it. The way I see it is that this family is being penalised for not trying hard enough and since we only have media coverage as to how this case went down, We're quick to judge. There's a high chance that the people making these decisions are not exactly gym fit themselves. "
You're very likely right about the fitness of some of those involved in making the decision - over half the population is seriously overweight now, so it's an issue that needs tackling. Not doing soon the basis that most people are fat won't help.
I use the example of a country in real poverty vs the UK 'relative poverty' because the fact is that in societies where food is scarce people are not fat. In one of the wealthiest countries in the world where people live surrounded by technology and do not have to fight or work hard to stay alive, people can and do get fat.
Personally I think that if you're fortunate enough by accident of birth to live in such a society you should take some responsibility for yourself and others, in the knowledge that you're very, very lucky. Regardless of what you think about any of that - if you can't make the effort to do the best for your children, particularly their health - you're scum. If you need tackling because of this, you should be.
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Thing is, I studied nutrition when I was into my training years ago. Once a fat cell has been made, it can never be got rid of, only reduced in size, so letting kids get obese is sentencing them to a lifelong struggle to avoid being overweight. Whilst not obese, I was fat as a kid and have had to watch my diet since. It's an ongoing struggle.  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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To the comments of all people are different even if being fed the same things, yes they are.
One of my sisters could eat like a horse and not put an ounce on, and I would only need to sniff a cream cake and put on weight.
The only thing that proves is, I had to eat less than what she was eating to not put on weight.....it didn't mean I could use it as an excuse to not do anything about being fat. |
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"Thing is, I studied nutrition when I was into my training years ago. Once a fat cell has been made, it can never be got rid of, only reduced in size, so letting kids get obese is sentencing them to a lifelong struggle to avoid being overweight. Whilst not obese, I was fat as a kid and have had to watch my diet since. It's an ongoing struggle. "
I hear you there
I have always struggled with my weight, even when i've been slim to me I've felt like a fat person just borrowing a body for a while because I know at some point the weight will go back on
its an on going battle i've fought all my life, it actually gets you down after a while
And I do sometimes feel sorry for the kids as you know what kind of a life they have ahead |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
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There's not much information in the article I read. I feel that there is a lot more than we are being told. The agencies involved don't take such drastic actions with families without a good cause. |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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"I am fat!
I am the middle of three girls, brought up in the same household eating the same home cooked food as my sisters...no access to money or food outside.
My younger sister is and always has been stick thin. My older sister is plump and always has been.....I was from teens fat and continue to be so.....had a fat maternal grandmother and mother...
My older sister has two kids, my nephew is stick thin, my niece is plump. My son is stick thin.
There are more factors than eating
And frankly I have other priorities in my life, if I offend folks they do not need to speak to me."
i have 12 year old twin boys one is taller n what i call chunky the other is small n slim even skinny id say they both eat well home cooked food but they are physically different but they arnt alowed on xbox at mine we do stuff as a family that keeps us all in shape n trim,ish |
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"If they halved their food bill they could put that towards some activities..
I agree,plus walking costs nothing
What's the family's income? This might help but it's not a certainty as they may still could need help towards costs.
Being arrested and cautioned will make finding work interesting though.
Whatever their income if they spend less on food they have more available to spend on other things.
If you really want to plead the poverty argument try explaining to me why you don't see 15 stone kids in countries with a food shortage?
And then factor in that a walk is free. A run is free. Playing at the park is free. Or maybe they need somebody else to do that for them too?
You didn't have to go all the way to developing countries to find children going without. UK poverty is a reality. Plus, processed goods are easy to buy in bulk with the amount of £1 stores about which has helped (albeit in a twisted way) lower income families. I'll leave the poverty issue alone, simply because that is another issue for another day.
You're right. A walk is free, a run is free and a play in the park is free. My friend has a child who does all three and he's pretty big! (I need to warn her!) We are different. We all do our best to be the best we can be and some people will fall short of that. Weight gain and loss can be fast and slow. Sometimes it's minimal. Personally, I struggle to gain weight. I've tried and I've found it difficult. The same way some struggle to lose it. The way I see it is that this family is being penalised for not trying hard enough and since we only have media coverage as to how this case went down, We're quick to judge. There's a high chance that the people making these decisions are not exactly gym fit themselves.
You're very likely right about the fitness of some of those involved in making the decision - over half the population is seriously overweight now, so it's an issue that needs tackling. Not doing soon the basis that most people are fat won't help.
I use the example of a country in real poverty vs the UK 'relative poverty' because the fact is that in societies where food is scarce people are not fat. In one of the wealthiest countries in the world where people live surrounded by technology and do not have to fight or work hard to stay alive, people can and do get fat.
Personally I think that if you're fortunate enough by accident of birth to live in such a society you should take some responsibility for yourself and others, in the knowledge that you're very, very lucky. Regardless of what you think about any of that - if you can't make the effort to do the best for your children, particularly their health - you're scum. If you need tackling because of this, you should be.
Instead of making excuses people should just get off their arses."
Diet aside, this child (as far as any of us are aware) is attending school, dressed and loved. Apart from what this child is being fed, these parents are no different than most in the UK. There are far worse crimes against children than this that need police attention. |
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"If they halved their food bill they could put that towards some activities..
I agree,plus walking costs nothing
What's the family's income? This might help but it's not a certainty as they may still could need help towards costs.
Being arrested and cautioned will make finding work interesting though.
Whatever their income if they spend less on food they have more available to spend on other things.
If you really want to plead the poverty argument try explaining to me why you don't see 15 stone kids in countries with a food shortage?
And then factor in that a walk is free. A run is free. Playing at the park is free. Or maybe they need somebody else to do that for them too?
You didn't have to go all the way to developing countries to find children going without. UK poverty is a reality. Plus, processed goods are easy to buy in bulk with the amount of £1 stores about which has helped (albeit in a twisted way) lower income families. I'll leave the poverty issue alone, simply because that is another issue for another day.
You're right. A walk is free, a run is free and a play in the park is free. My friend has a child who does all three and he's pretty big! (I need to warn her!) We are different. We all do our best to be the best we can be and some people will fall short of that. Weight gain and loss can be fast and slow. Sometimes it's minimal. Personally, I struggle to gain weight. I've tried and I've found it difficult. The same way some struggle to lose it. The way I see it is that this family is being penalised for not trying hard enough and since we only have media coverage as to how this case went down, We're quick to judge. There's a high chance that the people making these decisions are not exactly gym fit themselves.
You're very likely right about the fitness of some of those involved in making the decision - over half the population is seriously overweight now, so it's an issue that needs tackling. Not doing soon the basis that most people are fat won't help.
I use the example of a country in real poverty vs the UK 'relative poverty' because the fact is that in societies where food is scarce people are not fat. In one of the wealthiest countries in the world where people live surrounded by technology and do not have to fight or work hard to stay alive, people can and do get fat.
Personally I think that if you're fortunate enough by accident of birth to live in such a society you should take some responsibility for yourself and others, in the knowledge that you're very, very lucky. Regardless of what you think about any of that - if you can't make the effort to do the best for your children, particularly their health - you're scum. If you need tackling because of this, you should be.
Instead of making excuses people should just get off their arses.
Diet aside, this child (as far as any of us are aware) is attending school, dressed and loved. Apart from what this child is being fed, these parents are no different than most in the UK. There are far worse crimes against children than this that need police attention. "
It's not like they chose to do this instead of stopping a child getting beaten
And tbh this Has done life long permanant damage to the child than starving him would have done |
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"I am fat!
I am the middle of three girls, brought up in the same household eating the same home cooked food as my sisters...no access to money or food outside.
My younger sister is and always has been stick thin. My older sister is plump and always has been.....I was from teens fat and continue to be so.....had a fat maternal grandmother and mother...
My older sister has two kids, my nephew is stick thin, my niece is plump. My son is stick thin.
There are more factors than eating
And frankly I have other priorities in my life, if I offend folks they do not need to speak to me."
So you and one of your sisters ate lots the other didn't or did considerable amount of exercise
Eating is the main Factor exercising off a single meal requires hours of work.
And there is no magic gene that somone makes you work outside of the laws of thermodynamics.
Only way you get fat is to eat more than you need. |
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"I am fat!
I am the middle of three girls, brought up in the same household eating the same home cooked food as my sisters...no access to money or food outside.
My younger sister is and always has been stick thin. My older sister is plump and always has been.....I was from teens fat and continue to be so.....had a fat maternal grandmother and mother...
My older sister has two kids, my nephew is stick thin, my niece is plump. My son is stick thin.
There are more factors than eating
And frankly I have other priorities in my life, if I offend folks they do not need to speak to me.
So you and one of your sisters ate lots the other didn't or did considerable amount of exercise
Eating is the main Factor exercising off a single meal requires hours of work.
And there is no magic gene that somone makes you work outside of the laws of thermodynamics.
Only way you get fat is to eat more than you need."
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"Diet aside, this child (as far as any of us are aware) is attending school, dressed and loved. Apart from what this child is being fed, these parents are no different than most in the UK. There are far worse crimes against children than this that need police attention. "
You tried this line before and it's a nonsense attitude. Should thefts be ignored because people also rape? Domestic abuse be overlooks because people are out and about with weapons? Traffic offences be ignored because people commit murders?
I'm confident that the police are sufficiently well organised to be able to have dealt with this issue at a time that didn't impede their other duties.
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"Parents arrested for letting their child become morbidly obese!!!!
Right or wrong?"
Too nanny state.
We and the government should be educating folk, not persecuting them. |
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over a year ago
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"Parents arrested for letting their child become morbidly obese!!!!
Right or wrong?
Too nanny state.
We and the government should be educating folk, not persecuting them."
what that eating too much food gets you fat.... |
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How do people miss the education already available?
Shit food makes you fat. Sitting on your arse will likely make you fat. A diploma in common sense should be adequate.
Oh, actually, I see the problem. |
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surely parents dont need educating we are being told what not to eat all the time, eat less fat and sugar.
being plump is ok but not ok to be morbidly obese. |
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"Parents arrested for letting their child become morbidly obese!!!!
Right or wrong?
Too nanny state.
We and the government should be educating folk, not persecuting them."
Phrasing is wrong.
That should be "parents arrested for MAKING child morbidly obese" |
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"Diet aside, this child (as far as any of us are aware) is attending school, dressed and loved. Apart from what this child is being fed, these parents are no different than most in the UK. There are far worse crimes against children than this that need police attention.
You tried this line before and it's a nonsense attitude. Should thefts be ignored because people also rape? Domestic abuse be overlooks because people are out and about with weapons? Traffic offences be ignored because people commit murders?
I'm confident that the police are sufficiently well organised to be able to have dealt with this issue at a time that didn't impede their other duties.
Which straw will you clutch at next? The child has big bones? Sleep eating? "
The only nonsense is that you are trying to put this on a par with more heinous crimes. Here's a question: How much jail time should these parents serve for this offence? If the law is involved, how far will this go?
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"I am fat!
I am the middle of three girls, brought up in the same household eating the same home cooked food as my sisters...no access to money or food outside.
My younger sister is and always has been stick thin. My older sister is plump and always has been.....I was from teens fat and continue to be so.....had a fat maternal grandmother and mother...
My older sister has two kids, my nephew is stick thin, my niece is plump. My son is stick thin.
There are more factors than eating
And frankly I have other priorities in my life, if I offend folks they do not need to speak to me."
Yeah, I'm sure the kid eats a perfectly balanced diet and exercises regularly and he got fat by magic.
We live in a society where there's an excuse for everything and everyone.
It's absolutely disgusting what these two "parents" have done to this young boy. |
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input of food versus output of energy should balance ....as a parent you are responsible for your children ..i can only imagine how torturous the childs days were at school with the constant ridiculling |
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"Diet aside, this child (as far as any of us are aware) is attending school, dressed and loved. Apart from what this child is being fed, these parents are no different than most in the UK. There are far worse crimes against children than this that need police attention.
You tried this line before and it's a nonsense attitude. Should thefts be ignored because people also rape? Domestic abuse be overlooks because people are out and about with weapons? Traffic offences be ignored because people commit murders?
I'm confident that the police are sufficiently well organised to be able to have dealt with this issue at a time that didn't impede their other duties.
Which straw will you clutch at next? The child has big bones? Sleep eating? "
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10880127/Parents-arrested-over-15-stone-child.html
Found it.
I still think unless the SS had tried all other avenues then an arrest is OTT...but the article didn't say whether the SS were involved long before the arrest or not.
This takes place in Norfolk. Do police there have nothing better to do? Is crime that low? According to the mother, the child's favourite snack is steamed broccoli.
This is laughable. There are obese children throughout this country and as far as tipping the scales is concerned, we're still outdone by the US in terms of being an obese nation. All this situation needed was an intervention which included a diet plan and some steady exercise which would have cost a lot less than policing hours. "
Apparently the Mother already told him to excercise as much as he could................on his Wi !! |
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