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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have you not seen where they put the "Red" tees on a golf course, sometimes the other side of the first hazard.
If that doesn't help women go further than there's no hope.
Mind you, our club has a "rule" that if your tee shot doesn't reach the red tees you have to walk butt naked to your ball as a penalty. |
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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago
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"Does swinging further the cause of feminism or take away from it. "
Neither. Feminism is all about attitudes and they exist in and out of swinging. I could say more but that could be misconstrued as nagging or moaning. Heaven forfend!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't imagine a picture of anyone wearing Dungarees and Doc Martins hitting the top of the Fabbed picture list..
But then again.....It could happen,,,  |
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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I can't imagine a picture of anyone wearing Dungarees and Doc Martins hitting the top of the Fabbed picture list..
But then again.....It could happen,,, "
My DMs on a train shot has more fabs than my red velvet heels one if that's any evidence of changing attitudes!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can't imagine a picture of anyone wearing Dungarees and Doc Martins hitting the top of the Fabbed picture list..
But then again.....It could happen,,,
My DMs on a train shot has more fabs than my red velvet heels one if that's any evidence of changing attitudes! "
haha.... Ah but as a Tranny it would be my duty to redress the balance and fab your red velvet heels....
So I have... |
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"What are your _iews on this matter?"
I don't know. Which is why I asked.
Observationally swinging men treat women with at least equal respect, what is interesting is whether this is a facade to further their sexual aims or a genuine respect. Presumably as everyone is different there will be people on both sides.
Additionally there are instances where some ladies treat men badly which could be seen as detracting from the cause as equality is that, equal. Not control or dominance. Again however you cannot immediately identify someone who would fit into either end of that spectrum as one trait does not identify a person.
It is complex. Interesting also. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What does feminism mean??
Get the bird's in some slutty clothes with their bangers and badger out and I'm happy to completely objectify them in my head. 
Remember, smartest thing to come out of a woman's mouth |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If she's the master and you're the servant...or if she's the one with all the sexy ideas and you're just coming along for the ride...then yes
Otherwise there are just too many forms of swinging to say...some could be quite degrading to women...whilst others could be wonderfully liberating and uplifting.
I would say, in general, that swinging feels like a largely male invention as, if it were up to the women, I'm sure it would be a lot more focused around making friends and getting to know people before doing anything with them. Women might also have invented something that allowed for a certain amount of falling in love with other people round candlelit dinners...perhaps more polyamorous and less sex based....but perhaps I'm being a horrible misogynist pig and putting words into the mouths of sexy babes 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sexual liberation is not the only measure of whether feminism has been successful in it's goal.
Swinging is mainly a 'male created' phenomenon which by it's very nature requires women to adopt certain values. They in effect conform to the scene by putting themselves in the 'shop window' and competing with other women based on the purely physical traits men find attractive.
I don't know for certain, but I would imagine many of the original feminists would be appalled by the cattle market mentality......others though would be swingers!
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Swinging is mainly a 'male created' phenomenon which by it's very nature requires women to adopt certain values. They in effect conform to the scene by putting themselves in the 'shop window' and competing with other women based on the purely physical traits men find attractive.
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It seems to me that here it is the men that compete with each other to appeal to the women. |
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"Interesting that most of the respondents are male
The women are too busy off having fun 
or too busy laughing at this thread to type anything "
Or still being told what they think by their husbands. |
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"Interesting that most of the respondents are male
The women are too busy off having fun
or too busy laughing at this thread to type anything
Or still being told what they think by their husbands. "
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"Swinging is mainly a 'male created' phenomenon which by it's very nature requires women to adopt certain values. They in effect conform to the scene by putting themselves in the 'shop window' and competing with other women based on the purely physical traits men find attractive.
It seems to me that here it is the men that compete with each other to appeal to the women."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Swinging is mainly a 'male created' phenomenon which by it's very nature requires women to adopt certain values. They in effect conform to the scene by putting themselves in the 'shop window' and competing with other women based on the purely physical traits men find attractive.
It seems to me that here it is the men that compete with each other to appeal to the women."
Your not naive, that's the case inside or outside of the scene, it's the case for most species.
The point with regards to feminism is that many feminists would probably see this scene as promoting the objectification of women. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Feminism is a social and political debate that gains and loses ground globally but may be settling in in our part of the world.
It has very little to do with sex and even less to do with swinging. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Swinging is mainly a 'male created' phenomenon which by it's very nature requires women to adopt certain values. They in effect conform to the scene by putting themselves in the 'shop window' and competing with other women based on the purely physical traits men find attractive.
It seems to me that here it is the men that compete with each other to appeal to the women."
You are bang on there girl, Its either keyboard warriors or Milk Tray men, If they were to grow some balls n say what they really think maybe the Ladies wouldnt be thinking yer right..Tosser
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Swinging is mainly a 'male created' phenomenon which by it's very nature requires women to adopt certain values. They in effect conform to the scene by putting themselves in the 'shop window' and competing with other women based on the purely physical traits men find attractive.
It seems to me that here it is the men that compete with each other to appeal to the women.
Your not naive, that's the case inside or outside of the scene, it's the case for most species.
The point with regards to feminism is that many feminists would probably see this scene as promoting the objectification of women. "
It does promote the objectification of women. A hell of a lot of men here see women as a means of getting off rather than as people. That is also the same outside the scene.
Here however, the supply and demand thing means women have the power to pick and choose (to an extent).
Guys can see us as sex objects all they like. It doesn't mean they're going to get anything from us.
That's one of the reasons there are so many complaints from guys about not getting replies, not being able to get meets, being blocked etc. They see the women here as objects to fulfil their urges, don't see why they need to make an effort (because we're all here for the same thing, they think. They just want to empty their balls, ergo a woman just wants a cock) and then get angry and bitter when they don't get what they want. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Does swinging further the cause of feminism or take away from it.
Neither. Feminism is all about attitudes and they exist in and out of swinging. I could say more but that could be misconstrued as nagging or moaning. Heaven forfend!
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I agree it's all about attitudes.
Although Feminisms biggest problem isn't guys attitudes towards females,
It's females attitudes towards females.
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This is my first and probably only post on a forum; feminism = equality. Would you seriously be debating this (even half heartedly) in any other context? ! As Caitlin Moran said; if you have a vagina and you want to be in control of it, you are a feminist. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Feminism is a social and political debate that gains and loses ground globally but may be settling in in our part of the world.
It has very little to do with sex and even less to do with swinging. "
Exactly! The question is: The feminism political and social systems that adobted it in this part of the world and elswhere... What did it bring as fruits?
- Have it made women less or more considered as a cheap sex object?
- Has it made the society stronger and a solid one or has faded the concept of "Family".
- Do we have a better nesting environment for raising up the next generation or do we struggle more to find them a suitable stable family environment.
- Do we have less psychologi ally broken people because of the broken families or less.
- Is the shared leadership does in practice work and get the boat to its destiny in a safe shore or does sink it ?
- Equality ... What does it actually mean? Is it logic to concider two different gendres as EQUAL when they are different in all aspects? If not does it necessarily mean that its gonna be unjust if we admit that they are not eaqual? Or is there a just alternative philosophy?
- Did women gain a lot by competing in men's feilds and leaving their own unoccupied? Or is just the case of the crowl who wanted to learn the pigeon's dance and lost its own style on the way without mastering the pigeon's?
What was the outcome? waz it worth it really or we beleive in the system just cause we've been told it's the best, we are the best, ect? |
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Feminism, in my mind, was the recognition that all of the major systems of power and institutions of control have been built by men for men. It is therefore the acknowledgment of that reality and the fight to change it. It is not, in my mind, a quest for equality. It's a battle to reinvent society which may require a certain amount of positive discrimination for women along the way. It was this battle against the status quo and it's desire to rethink society that made it so appealing to a broad section of other counter cultural movements...not a simplistic quest for some sort of fake equality within a male system.
At least that's what it was.... that sort of Feminism died somewhere between women wearing shoulder pads and pretending to be men in office jobs...and the spice girls 'girl power'...just my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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this is an interesting question.
I note that people have brought up the "objectification" argument. see, feminism, as others have pointed out, is meant to bring about equality. attempting to change the inherent qualities of a gender, such as the so called "objectification" issue, should run contrary to feminist ideology. feminism should, instead, promote the ability of women to "objectify" equally. and we women do objectify men. we simply do it in a different way and ina more subtle manner. not every man objectifies women, or every woman men, but it does happen. (although I disagree that it true objectification. ive never known a man to look at a woman sexually and think her anything other than a woman, but that's beside the point)
if you've ever seen a gentleman from this site, and yes I'm using that term loosely, say that they could never meet a female fabber as she has too many verifications, you'd have a good point of reference to answer your question. if, however, you've seen the ladies like myself, who openly perv the male eyecandy and pick and choose who we open our mouths and legs for....but do so without thought of it making us immoral. those who openly embrace and turn the term "slut" on its ass. then you have another point of reference.
fab has no ideological agenda, it is simply what each of us individually makes of it. end of. |
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