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HRRRR.. and you wonder why I didn't vote Labour!
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"Burin" Which is Russian for what?  | |||
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"Nope, nor did anyone much else I suspect, all a little tired of it by now! No-one won and we all never will! "your a damn good advertisement for women in politics | |||
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"Nope, nor did anyone much else I suspect, all a little tired of it by now! No-one won and we all never will!
your a damn good advertisement for women in politics "Excuse me, me and Harriet, buddies we are! lol Just it's gone on for too long, it's being a little manipulated, and I amongst many others cannot be interested in now meaningless nothingness that will all end in tears within 2 years! And who'd be mama Milliband right now? lol  | |||
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Should be looking forward not backwards, cam the sham promised the people he’s gonna fix britian, so lets hope he does, but somehow I can foresee many threads like this, and every time he fails to fix things, his supporters will blame labour at the earliest opportunity, win win situation, do nowt and still look good. | |||
" This proves that Labour put party politics ahead of what's best for the country, and ex-Labour ministers are clamouring to admit it." And you think only ONE party do that to win an election? Get real wishy...the Cameron nor other Tory MP's are saints, you just seem to have them on a pedestal. | |||
" This proves that Labour put party politics ahead of what's best for the country, and ex-Labour ministers are clamouring to admit it. And you think only ONE party do that to win an election? Get real wishy...the Cameron nor other Tory MP's are saints, you just seem to have them on a pedestal." It's very easy for a wobbly pedestal to fall over though 
If it does there will always be some that will still say Labour pushed it! | |||
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 ,, our opinions are not what governments listen to,, our actions are,,with the current climate, ash clouds new gov,, we,re all doomed any one fancy a last shag,,  | |||
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" This proves that Labour put party politics ahead of what's best for the country, and ex-Labour ministers are clamouring to admit it. And you think only ONE party do that to win an election? Get real wishy...the Cameron nor other Tory MP's are saints, you just seem to have them on a pedestal. " That isn't the point I'm trying to make - unsuccessfully it seems. We've heard much about how Thatcher screwed the country up (and some even believe that she's exacting some sort of influence STILL), and we've heard much about the good Labour have done over 13 years. All I'm trying to do is paint a more realistic picture that Labour or Tory, they're not as altruistic as they would have us believe. I understand the comments that I'd make a good progoganda minister for the Tories etc etc .. but I'm defending my postiion as others have defended theirs. I like to think that over the past few weeks on these political threads that I've come across as someone who has an inkling about what politics is and that I can take an abstract view of all the parties and politicans. It remains to be seen if the new government can turn things around or not, but if they don't then I'll be one of their loudest critics. | |||
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" This proves that Labour put party politics ahead of what's best for the country, and ex-Labour ministers are clamouring to admit it. And you think only ONE party do that to win an election? Get real wishy...the Cameron nor other Tory MP's are saints, you just seem to have them on a pedestal. That isn't the point I'm trying to make - unsuccessfully it seems. We've heard much about how Thatcher screwed the country up (and some even believe that she's exacting some sort of influence STILL), and we've heard much about the good Labour have done over 13 years. All I'm trying to do is paint a more realistic picture that Labour or Tory, they're not as altruistic as they would have us believe. I understand the comments that I'd make a good progoganda minister for the Tories etc etc .. but I'm defending my postiion as others have defended theirs. I like to think that over the past few weeks on these political threads that I've come across as someone who has an inkling about what politics is and that I can take an abstract view of all the parties and politicans. It remains to be seen if the new government can turn things around or not, but if they don't then I'll be one of their loudest critics." We're all entitled to our opinions and good news doesn't sell papers. The coalition agreement and the con dem promises are worthless unless they're implementd. Then we can judge them on their action or inaction. | |||
" All I'm trying to do is paint a more realistic picture that Labour or Tory, they're not as altruistic as they would have us believe. " I dont think anyone thinks that they are...otherwise the results of the election would have been more clearly defined. The fact it was an almost equal split shows, to me, a country uncertain that any party could take us forward with any success and that the country has no faith in any one party | |||
"Governments always sign off on contracts they have agreed leading up to an election, nothing new in this. Governments must deal with thousands of contracts every year, so why is it hard to believe that there would have been contracts that needed to be signed off in the final days of the last government?" Don't you think that there's something sinister about an outgoing administration deliberately 'having a firesale' on their way out in order to leave the incoming government a total mess to clear up? Is this looking out for the country? Looking out for us? I know they all do it, but with it still being so fresh in my mind watching Brown up there saying that the economy was safe in his hands yet knowing full well what his administration was doing behind the scenes, well, it leaves a particularly nasty taste in my mouth. And one I shall remember the next time I'm asked to vote. But hey, that's just my sycophantic slant on things. | |||
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"Governments always sign off on contracts they have agreed leading up to an election, nothing new in this. Governments must deal with thousands of contracts every year, so why is it hard to believe that there would have been contracts that needed to be signed off in the final days of the last government? Don't you think that there's something sinister about an outgoing administration deliberately 'having a firesale' on their way out in order to leave the incoming government a total mess to clear up? Is this looking out for the country? Looking out for us? I know they all do it, but with it still being so fresh in my mind watching Brown up there saying that the economy was safe in his hands yet knowing full well what his administration was doing behind the scenes, well, it leaves a particularly nasty taste in my mouth. And one I shall remember the next time I'm asked to vote. But hey, that's just my sycophantic slant on things." It's more sinister that the "stories" start to get released just after the new Government take over but it does get some people to believe them when they say they are going to do things better. All politicians, no matter what Party they represent, are the same, out for the power to be able to tell us all what we can or more often can't do! Just my tuppence worth! | |||
"Governments always sign off on contracts they have agreed leading up to an election, nothing new in this. Governments must deal with thousands of contracts every year, so why is it hard to believe that there would have been contracts that needed to be signed off in the final days of the last government? Don't you think that there's something sinister about an outgoing administration deliberately 'having a firesale' on their way out in order to leave the incoming government a total mess to clear up? Is this looking out for the country? Looking out for us? I know they all do it, but with it still being so fresh in my mind watching Brown up there saying that the economy was safe in his hands yet knowing full well what his administration was doing behind the scenes, well, it leaves a particularly nasty taste in my mouth. And one I shall remember the next time I'm asked to vote. But hey, that's just my sycophantic slant on things." I could scream out about your ignorance. It's not that easy to award a government contract. there are so many levels of scrutiny it needs to pass through that what would take a month in industry can take over a year in government. carry on reading your papers and considering it an education instead of researching for yourself what you want to pass comment on. all you are being is a postman for the tories. | |||
" This proves that Labour put party politics ahead of what's best for the country, and ex-Labour ministers are clamouring to admit it. And you think only ONE party do that to win an election? Get real wishy...the Cameron nor other Tory MP's are saints, you just seem to have them on a pedestal. That isn't the point I'm trying to make - unsuccessfully it seems. We've heard much about how Thatcher screwed the country up (and some even believe that she's exacting some sort of influence STILL), and we've heard much about the good Labour have done over 13 years. All I'm trying to do is paint a more realistic picture that Labour or Tory, they're not as altruistic as they would have us believe. I understand the comments that I'd make a good progoganda minister for the Tories etc etc .. but I'm defending my postiion as others have defended theirs. I like to think that over the past few weeks on these political threads that I've come across as someone who has an inkling about what politics is and that I can take an abstract view of all the parties and politicans. It remains to be seen if the new government can turn things around or not, but if they don't then I'll be one of their loudest critics." Thats the point I was making wishy....we surely ALL know that whatever party it is, they will do whatever it takes to get what they want. I am sure most of us have realistic views on every party including the one we voted for....but your first post was about what Labour had done ( or a paper had reported had done) and how you are glad you hadn't voted for them ( I very much doubt you would have considered them to be honest)so it wasn't offering an opinion on all parties.... hence why I thought you were being unrealistic on your post. ( PS I am not sure Thatcher could be of any use to anyone in politics with her illness) | |||
"I could scream out about your ignorance. It's not that easy to award a government contract. there are so many levels of scrutiny it needs to pass through that what would take a month in industry can take over a year in government. carry on reading your papers and considering it an education instead of researching for yourself what you want to pass comment on. all you are being is a postman for the tories. " Yes, I know, it's been pointed out already that I'm just a stupid, ignorant, foolish, uneducated Tory sycophant who doesn't understand a goddam thing. So I'll leave you guys to your forums altogether. | |||
"does anyone really believe the British gov, which ever party,s in,, can they bring this country back to life,, i think whoever's in, has a big,big problem,, the infrastructure of society is a big problem,, the roads, rail, we need to start again and rebuild from the inside jobs and training for the young of this country are paramount,,then the crime rate my fall,, and respect my rise. " The young are more likely to be a victim of crime. | |||
"does anyone really believe the British gov, which ever party,s in,, can they bring this country back to life,, i think whoever's in, has a big,big problem,, the infrastructure of society is a big problem,, the roads, rail, we need to start again and rebuild from the inside jobs and training for the young of this country are paramount,,then the crime rate my fall,, and respect my rise. " Perfect! Someone got it! It gives jobs, it updates the infrastructure, it's exactly what happened after WW2, "Homes for Heroes" were built by those very same heroes, meaning that their newly emancipated wives - "womanning" the factories whilst the heroes were needed elsewhere - could continue to work whilst men also did! The golden age when like your Nan said, you could leave your back door open! We need to have confidence in this country, build it to be as good as it could be and when it's finished, not sell the fooker off like Maggie did, own collectively it as a privilege with pride! | |||
"I could scream out about your ignorance. It's not that easy to award a government contract. there are so many levels of scrutiny it needs to pass through that what would take a month in industry can take over a year in government. carry on reading your papers and considering it an education instead of researching for yourself what you want to pass comment on. all you are being is a postman for the tories. Yes, I know, it's been pointed out already that I'm just a stupid, ignorant, foolish, uneducated Tory sycophant who doesn't understand a goddam thing. So I'll leave you guys to your forums altogether."
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions whether or not anyone else believes in them, that's what debates are all about! | |||
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"politics is all about spin now, all spin no substance!! between leaks and moles and god knows what all at the end of the day we only get told what the media chooses to tell us, and what we choose to believe! xx" I agree but unfortunately lots of people believe word for word what the papers write and even more do not understand the machinations of government. | |||
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"news of the world as described by my dear mother......its aw tits, tories and shite lol!! and she is just your average wee wumman! xx" ha,,very good ,,i agree with your mom.. | |||
"Just looked at the Times article and it almost beggars belief, I always thought the Times had serious journalists on board.... You would think by reading it that Labour had commissioned the building of £420 million worth of new schools in the space of a few days, these schools take years to plan. I know this because I have personally been involved in the process of a new Primary School building over the last few years. From the need for a new school being established funding needs to be applied for through the LEA to central government.....One Year What follows is an enquiry at Ministerial level in the Education Department, in the case of our Primary School this took over Three years. Then the building goes to funding, this took a further Two years, at that point a firm committment to the purchase of building land, then architect tenders went out...another Year. Then first plans went to the local Planning department, certain things needed signing off by the Department of the Enviroment.....another Year and a bit. Final Plans cane next and the detailed costings were resubmitted to the Treasury via the LEA and the Department of Education.....Another Year. We first submitted our request for a new Primary School in February 1999....the contract was signed off by the Government in late 2007.....the first foundations finally dug in November 2008. So lets not make out these things are secretly planned and signed off in a few weeks or even months!!!!! " Thank you, of course they do; and if a school is needed are we really going to criticise that it's signed off rather than risk it being cut or put on hold? Do you remember walking into schools and having to take care not to trip over the buckets that were collecting rainwater in the 1990s? Or hospital where ward after ward was closed cos the plumbing didn't work or worse, giving birth, going to the bathroom to find it smeared in blood cos there weren't enough cleaners and auxilliaries to ensure it was clean? Jeez, we were so lucky MRSA hadn't arrived then! | |||
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