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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This recently convicted sex offender is due to be sentenced at 2pm today....Any guesses as to the term he shall receive?
I must say, he's been appearing rather TOO cool and collected this week....Maybe he's convinced he's invincible?!
And as for his (as yet) refusal of penitence towards his victims....we shall have to see....
I'm just wondering if any of you folk have an opinion on this man.
Thank you all in advance.
Eva X |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We've all known for years that he was a sleazebag. Expect he will draw a bit of a crowd in prison though with that glorious hair. Make some old lag a gorgeous wife  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This recently convicted sex offender is due to be sentenced at 2pm today....Any guesses as to the term he shall receive?
I must say, he's been appearing rather TOO cool and collected this week....Maybe he's convinced he's invincible?!
And as for his (as yet) refusal of penitence towards his victims....we shall have to see....
I'm just wondering if any of you folk have an opinion on this man.
Thank you all in advance.
Eva X"
4 years, he will serve 18 months |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This recently convicted sex offender is due to be sentenced at 2pm today....Any guesses as to the term he shall receive?
I must say, he's been appearing rather TOO cool and collected this week....Maybe he's convinced he's invincible?!
And as for his (as yet) refusal of penitence towards his victims....we shall have to see....
I'm just wondering if any of you folk have an opinion on this man.
Thank you all in advance.
Eva X"
Btw, he appears to be a complete wanker, so his PR has not worked very well on himself |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This recently convicted sex offender is due to be sentenced at 2pm today....Any guesses as to the term he shall receive?
I must say, he's been appearing rather TOO cool and collected this week....Maybe he's convinced he's invincible?!
And as for his (as yet) refusal of penitence towards his victims....we shall have to see....
I'm just wondering if any of you folk have an opinion on this man.
Thank you all in advance.
Eva X
4 years, he will serve 18 months "
. Almost what I'm thinking....
And he'll serve it in near luxury. |
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Btw, he appears to be a complete wanker, so his PR has not worked very well on himself "
his stunt of standing behind the sky reporter during the trial and taking the piss makes one wonder if he's so arrogant that he thought his own 'personality' would win the day..
his refusal to accept the decision of him being found guilty perhaps leads to that also.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Btw, he appears to be a complete wanker, so his PR has not worked very well on himself
his stunt of standing behind the sky reporter during the trial and taking the piss makes one wonder if he's so arrogant that he thought his own 'personality' would win the day..
his refusal to accept the decision of him being found guilty perhaps leads to that also.. "
You know....I consder arrogance and a feeling of complete infallibility would be two of the more important "qualities" of anyone dealing in the business that this man has been involved in XXX |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"3 - 5 years. After the first few months will probably be moved to a soft/open prison. "
I actually think he'll serve all his time in an open prison.......kept away from those horrid criminals...of course...!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ii think that the fact that he has pleaded not guilty and showed no remorse will be reflected in the sentences. Factor in the uproar regarding what was perceived as a lenient sentence for Stuart Hall (who's sentence reflected a guilty plea) and I would guess he will be looking at closer to the 10 year maximum tariff that indecent assault carries. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ii think that the fact that he has pleaded not guilty and showed no remorse will be reflected in the sentences. Factor in the uproar regarding what was perceived as a lenient sentence for Stuart Hall (who's sentence reflected a guilty plea) and I would guess he will be looking at closer to the 10 year maximum tariff that indecent assault carries. "
The judge would certainly be making a statement if that happened. |
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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago
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his lawyer seems to be concentrating on all the charitable works and money he has raised over the years,i hope that isn't taken in to consideration when they sentence him,one does not cancel out the other |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are there any compelling circumstances why he should be in an open prison? Does celebrity/wealth alone qualify?
Genuine question, I've no idea"
In the limited experience I have of people going to prison, if they are deemed as an easy prisoner and not likely to cause much fuss and their sentence is fairly short they can be transferred to an open prison. I think you have to go to a proper prison first and prove yourself to be a model prisoner. I don't think your crime has any bearing on your moving to an open prison.
As you can see there is a lot of I thinks in there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A mawkish post, no?
Shame you don't have a hanging to go and watch.
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Only debating and speculating what is a high profile news story. You will get the odd chop his bollocks off remark but that is par for the course. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"his lawyer seems to be concentrating on all the charitable works and money he has raised over the years,i hope that isn't taken in to consideration when they sentence him,one does not cancel out the other"
another perv like the creep from Yorkshire js
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I don't have an opinion on what he deserves as such, as although he was found guilty I haven't heard the evidence personally, and there are plenty of guilty people walking the streets and a good few innocent people locked up.
If he did it I hope he gets what he deserves, if he didn't then whatever he gets will be more than he deserves, as in most cases only he and his accusers will ever know the real truth. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A mawkish post, no?
Shame you don't have a hanging to go and watch.
Xnot mawkish at all its a discussion on a relevant news item"
It was a discussion I added to. So that's my opinion - I think it's a bit ghoulish. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"A mawkish post, no?
Shame you don't have a hanging to go and watch.
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No....not at all "mawkish"....
I posted this as an open invitation for intelligent folk to give an opinion on an important matter of the day. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"what goes round comes round , for years this guy has made his living from spinning sleaze and covering up for the rich . lets hope all the shit comes out about his clients . "
And now he complains that others will 'cash in' on his "misfortune"
Incredible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what goes round comes round , for years this guy has made his living from spinning sleaze and covering up for the rich . lets hope all the shit comes out about his clients . "
I agree, did you see the programme he did with Louis Theroux (who coincidently also did one with Jimmy Savile) ? He came across as a complete and utter twat |
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Listening to David Mellor ( Clifford totally fabricated the sex in a Chelsea strip story, when Mellor admitted to his extra marital affair, which wasn't sensational enough, so MC to sell copy invented the football strip story ) on the radio the other day, Cliffords ability to lie, when it suited, when it made money, at the expense of other peoples dignity, reputation and careers really hammered it home. He was in a position of trust and abused that and his victims. He has been through due process and found guilty, with, I hope a suitable tarrif, for the crimes he committed, which I hope gives his victims some closure. His reputation, dignity, career and his life may now reflect the misery he inflicted on many others. I hope they give him as little thought as he starts his sentence. ( Don't drop the soap in the shower Max )  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"his lawyer seems to be concentrating on all the charitable works and money he has raised over the years,i hope that isn't taken in to consideration when they sentence him,one does not cancel out the other"
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"Ii think that the fact that he has pleaded not guilty and showed no remorse will be reflected in the sentences. Factor in the uproar regarding what was perceived as a lenient sentence for Stuart Hall (who's sentence reflected a guilty plea) and I would guess he will be looking at closer to the 10 year maximum tariff that indecent assault carries. "
Max 2 years as offences happened before the 10 year tariff came in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"his lawyer seems to be concentrating on all the charitable works and money he has raised over the years,i hope that isn't taken in to consideration when they sentence him,one does not cancel out the other
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Seems to be a theme with fundraisers lol. Savile raised millions yet his motivations appear to have been elsewhere. Maybe same here? Allegedly lol. |
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According to the BBC news the judge has told Clifford that he will be considering consecutive sentences.
This is very unusual I believe and I am wondering is this because the judge is going to use the sentences passed to reflect how serious/frivolous he considers each a the crimes Clifford has been convicted of, or maybe it will be the judges way of handing down a 15/20 year prison term without any real possibility of it being reduced to 2 or 3 years on appeal.
Will be glued to the radio and box at 2pm! |
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"A mawkish post, no?
Shame you don't have a hanging to go and watch.
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open public forum fella, one doesn't have to contribute if one feels its not for you..
just ignore and move on, plenty of other stuff to peruse and contribute to.. |
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Btw, he appears to be a complete wanker, so his PR has not worked very well on himself
his stunt of standing behind the sky reporter during the trial and taking the piss makes one wonder if he's so arrogant that he thought his own 'personality' would win the day..
his refusal to accept the decision of him being found guilty perhaps leads to that also..
You know....I consder arrogance and a feeling of complete infallibility would be two of the more important "qualities" of anyone dealing in the business that this man has been involved in XXX"
clearly..
and probably attributed in some way to his position and 'power' with which he abused others..
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"3 - 5 years. After the first few months will probably be moved to a soft/open prison.
I actually think he'll serve all his time in an open prison.......kept away from those horrid criminals...of course...!! "
And just long enough for him to write a book about life behind bars,and the best seller that tells the drirt he's had on other celebrities... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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2 years
not sure about the "glorious hair" comment thou, i thought he had a rather old fashioned old man hair style ! Maybe im thinking of the wrong person ! |
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not sure about the "glorious hair" comment thou, i thought he had a rather old fashioned old man hair style ! Maybe im thinking of the wrong person !"
No your not but it'll give the boy's something to grip in the shower as they make him say prayer.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I judge ypu responsible for the delay in victims coming forward and you should not benefit from it"
Well that pisses all over one of his defence teams mitigation pleas. And is hopefully a clear sign of intent |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"2 years
not sure about the "glorious hair" comment thou, i thought he had a rather old fashioned old man hair style ! Maybe im thinking of the wrong person !"
He has 'nans hair' |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ii think that the fact that he has pleaded not guilty and showed no remorse will be reflected in the sentences. Factor in the uproar regarding what was perceived as a lenient sentence for Stuart Hall (who's sentence reflected a guilty plea) and I would guess he will be looking at closer to the 10 year maximum tariff that indecent assault carries.
Max 2 years as offences happened before the 10 year tariff came in."
Yes I'd forgotten that. 
He's already been told that he'd have got 8 years if todays tarriffs aoplied for just one of the offences |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This recently convicted sex offender is due to be sentenced at 2pm today....Any guesses as to the term he shall receive?
I must say, he's been appearing rather TOO cool and collected this week....Maybe he's convinced he's invincible?!
And as for his (as yet) refusal of penitence towards his victims....we shall have to see....
I'm just wondering if any of you folk have an opinion on this man.
Thank you all in advance.
Eva X
4 years, he will serve 18 months "
Well...you were right about the 4 years.....He received 8 and the judge has said that he must serve at least half of that. Well done, sir...!!! XXX |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This recently convicted sex offender is due to be sentenced at 2pm today....Any guesses as to the term he shall receive?
I must say, he's been appearing rather TOO cool and collected this week....Maybe he's convinced he's invincible?!
And as for his (as yet) refusal of penitence towards his victims....we shall have to see....
I'm just wondering if any of you folk have an opinion on this man.
Thank you all in advance.
Eva X
4 years, he will serve 18 months
Well...you were right about the 4 years.....He received 8 and the judge has said that he must serve at least half of that. Well done, sir...!!! XXX "
Thanks, although I was only half right, |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't really know much about this things so can anyone enlighten me why someone would get sentenced for 8 but only have to serve half of that?
Why not just sentence him 4? And to be honest I doubt he will even serve that... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I bet it was known within inner celebrity circles that he was a sleazy man with a dark side, and the celebrities still flocked to him with their secrets that needed covering up... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't really know much about this things so can anyone enlighten me why someone would get sentenced for 8 but only have to serve half of that?
Why not just sentence him 4? And to be honest I doubt he will even serve that..."
I think the general idea is that it's an incentive for the prisoner to behave. Keep your nose clean son and you'll be out in 4. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I bet it was known within inner celebrity circles that he was a sleazy man with a dark side, and the celebrities still flocked to him with their secrets that needed covering up..."
I reckon there's a hell of a lot of his former clients shitting themselves. He must be sitting on some massive scandals. His dirty secret is out so nothing to hold him back. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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He was sentenced 8 and shall serve half of that, despite the judge calling him contemptuous of the law.
Hell of a messsage that sends out to rapists and victims. I hope he's treated like absolute shit.
Fucking media publicists! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"He won't go to an open prison at all, it's the crime and your behaviour that determines that. A crime like rape won't allow open prison."
Not initially I suspect but as his sentence nears its end, he may well end up in an open prison. Even murderers can go to open prison. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a shame, that when he gets out he is still going to be a very wealthy Man
Yes but a very old wealthy man.  "
He won't be so wealthy as his legal team are said to be charging nearly 1 million.....
And he will have to do the full 4 years as the sentences are to be run consecutively not concurrently !!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He won't go to an open prison at all, it's the crime and your behaviour that determines that. A crime like rape won't allow open prison."
It does allow it but it will be towards the end of his 4 yrs preparing him for release |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A million is small change to ppl like him, and from what I read he has spent the time since being charged getting all his affairs in order, don't worry he will b Ok when he gets out, those ppl always are |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I bet it was known within inner celebrity circles that he was a sleazy man with a dark side, and the celebrities still flocked to him with their secrets that needed covering up...
I reckon there's a hell of a lot of his former clients shitting themselves. He must be sitting on some massive scandals. His dirty secret is out so nothing to hold him back."
I agree, but suspect he is owned by those in the higher realms.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Not condoning it but they all had groupies back in the day the beatles, rolling stones , elvis etc go back in history x Mandy Smith and Bill Wyman, Jerry lee Lewis married a minor, even bloody one direction will they get arrested in thirty years time. Girls throw themselves at them then cry rape this is not fair on real victims x
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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my mum was telling me that years ago she went backstage with her friend to see a well known comedian and he was horrified when my mum told him to get lost when he thought he could grope her cos he was well known
boy did he get a shock |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't Like Muslims, immigration , gays
Indignation ! Venomous attacks
I don't like Max Clifford .....fuck him rich bastard I don't like him ! Guilty ! Guilty
Fucking hypocritical *****
I don't know if he's guilty but I wonder how many people like some of you were on the jury
Justice ?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't Like Muslims, immigration , gays
Indignation ! Venomous attacks
I don't like Max Clifford .....fuck him rich bastard I don't like him ! Guilty ! Guilty
Fucking hypocritical *****
I don't know if he's guilty but I wonder how many people like some of you were on the jury
Justice ?
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"I don't Like Muslims, immigration , gays
Indignation ! Venomous attacks
I don't like Max Clifford .....fuck him rich bastard I don't like him ! Guilty ! Guilty
Fucking hypocritical *****
I don't know if he's guilty but I wonder how many people like some of you were on the jury
Justice ?
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He was found guilty after fair trail.wats ur problem exactly?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't Like Muslims, immigration , gays
Indignation ! Venomous attacks
I don't like Max Clifford .....fuck him rich bastard I don't like him ! Guilty ! Guilty
Fucking hypocritical *****
I don't know if he's guilty but I wonder how many people like some of you were on the jury
Justice ?
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Correct! it is called justice
Although i cant understand what you dislike for Muslims, Immigrants and Gays has to do with it as i understand he is a straight C of E white bloke 
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By (user no longer on site)
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Personally I'm worried that most of these historical cases against celebrities are a knee jerk reaction to make amends for Jimmy Saville. Stuart Hall aside (who pled guilty so there was no trial) this is the first case of this type to stick.
I'm not saying I think Clifford is innocent or guilty (I don't know and neither do the majority of us) but you have people coming forward from 30, 40 or 50 years ago and the case is brought by the CPS based solely on one persons word against another. There is seldom any physical or even circumstantial evidence. Often there was nothing reported at the time of the offence so you have no record of a reported crime to refer to.
Most of these cases have resulted in not guilty verdicts following shaky testimony. Even where many alleged victims were involved with a single accused, all of their testimony has proven to be shaky.
The US has a statute of limitations preventing people from doing this in their judicial system because they see the inherent problems in being able to bring a case many, many years after an alleged crime. Witnesses are dead or have no recollection, there is no physical evidence, the alleged victims can't accurately recall details, the accused cannot recall their movements.
And before anyone bays for my blood, no I'm not asking for us to have a US style anything, it's not just the US who has this rule, its virtually everywhere.
Max Clifford is another in a good supply of serial sex offenders who are public figures.
I worry he has been convicted not on solid evidence and a water-tight case but on peoples perception that he is a cunt and a figure of hate and therefore guilty. He may well be guilty and something irrefutable may emerge but being judged by his peers does not make the guilty verdict a fact, it's merely a decision based on evidence, I hope there was clear evidence and some proof of his guilt. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Stuart hall actually pleaded not guilty and made his victims relive those horrendous moments in court over again. He only changed his plea to guilty just before the trial finished. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Personally I'm worried that most of these historical cases against celebrities are a knee jerk reaction to make amends for Jimmy Saville. Stuart Hall aside (who pled guilty so there was no trial) this is the first case of this type to stick.
I'm not saying I think Clifford is innocent or guilty (I don't know and neither do the majority of us) but you have people coming forward from 30, 40 or 50 years ago and the case is brought by the CPS based solely on one persons word against another. There is seldom any physical or even circumstantial evidence. Often there was nothing reported at the time of the offence so you have no record of a reported crime to refer to.
Most of these cases have resulted in not guilty verdicts following shaky testimony. Even where many alleged victims were involved with a single accused, all of their testimony has proven to be shaky.
The US has a statute of limitations preventing people from doing this in their judicial system because they see the inherent problems in being able to bring a case many, many years after an alleged crime. Witnesses are dead or have no recollection, there is no physical evidence, the alleged victims can't accurately recall details, the accused cannot recall their movements.
And before anyone bays for my blood, no I'm not asking for us to have a US style anything, it's not just the US who has this rule, its virtually everywhere.
Max Clifford is another in a good supply of serial sex offenders who are public figures.
I worry he has been convicted not on solid evidence and a water-tight case but on peoples perception that he is a cunt and a figure of hate and therefore guilty. He may well be guilty and something irrefutable may emerge but being judged by his peers does not make the guilty verdict a fact, it's merely a decision based on evidence, I hope there was clear evidence and some proof of his guilt."
Bang on, I couldnt agree more |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ok, try and think of it like this.
If tomorrow night you were at a club and there were people the ages of the Max Cliffords victims there.... what would you think...
What he did was wrong.
My guess is that there will be many more offences that come out and he will get a harsher sentence.
The way most people feel about this (and I understand why);
If Jimmy Saville could be brought back to life we would probably hang him. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't Like Muslims, immigration , gays
Indignation ! Venomous attacks
I don't like Max Clifford .....fuck him rich bastard I don't like him ! Guilty ! Guilty
Fucking hypocritical *****
I don't know if he's guilty but I wonder how many people like some of you were on the jury
Justice ?
Correct! it is called justice
Although i cant understand what you dislike for Muslims, Immigrants and Gays has to do with it as i understand he is a straight C of E white bloke
Gimp"
I was pointing out that people post their dislike of things and others jump down their throat and lambast them
Rightly so in some cases
But the same people will vent their hatred at an individual because they don't like like him . hypocrites and you are one of them ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't Like Muslims, immigration , gays
Indignation ! Venomous attacks
I don't like Max Clifford .....fuck him rich bastard I don't like him ! Guilty ! Guilty
Fucking hypocritical *****
I don't know if he's guilty but I wonder how many people like some of you were on the jury
Justice ?
He was found guilty after fair trail.wats ur problem exactly??"
I think the answer to that is in my original post
What's your problem ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well i never had any feelings about max clifford before either way.
so he is wealthy and arrogant as are lots of other people, only reason i dislike him now is because he is a sex offender. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"well i never had any feelings about max clifford before either way.
so he is wealthy and arrogant as are lots of other people, only reason i dislike him now is because he is a sex offender."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The good news is, that by not asking for other assaults to be taken into consideration at his sentencing, lays Clifford open to further trials and prison sentences if found guilty
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And he will forever have to sign the sex offenders register"
Agreed, but don't you wish the "List" was kept somewhere dangerous, like the centre of the Lion Cage at London Zoo... |
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