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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election!" you have more chance of red rum and desert orchid doing the double than labour winning the next election . | |||
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"He hasn't said he would go for Newark yet. His line was that he doesn't have enough local contacts there. He won't want to lose. " your right hes not going to rush he will survey the opinion of the locals first then if its winnable he will win it but for him any seat in the country is winnable even alec sammonds  | |||
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"So another swindling conservative has resigned for cash for questions farage is going to try to win the seat .i hope he goes for it and shuts up the naysayers "Totally agree.
Was watching Newsnight earlier and they had a section on the UKIP poster campaign. There was another desperate Labour representative saying how racist the posters are, blah, blah, blah, yawn, yawn, yawn. The programme did gain my interest however when Paxman gave the Labour candidate a grilling on "How are these posters racist?"
Lets just say the Labour arguments were flimsy at best, and the UKIP candidate there also wiped the floor with Labours arguments on the posters in much the same way Farage wiped the floor with Clegg in the televised EU debates. Labour are not convincing anyone and Public opinion on a lot of issues about immigration and membership of the EU is clearly with UKIP. | |||
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"How does the system work because he is leader of the UKIP can he become Prime MinIster without being an MP. Because there was talks of Boris Johnson taking over from David Cameron and that he would need to be an MP before he was elected as he is Mayor at the moment. Or am I being thick x" The PM can also come from the House of Lords as has happened a few times in history. However in the modern age it would be electoral suicide for any party/government to do so. | |||
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"I don't think Farage will take on Newark. He would be on a hiding to nothing. As far as I'm aware, should he be elected to Westminster he would then have to resign as an MEP. So he would be exchanging a full term as an MEP with the risk of less than a year as an MP should he lose it at the general election next year. UKIP will fight hard for the seat but I think Farage himself will keep his powder dry until next year, and will probably stand for a seat in Kent. As for all this racism nonsense. The three major party's and their cheer leaders in the media are in serious panic mode. The Tories have a dedicated team scouring social media sites for the slightest bit of dirt they can find. The Labour party have just appointed a former minister with the brief of smearing UKIP as racists at every opportunity, and the Lib Dems are just panicking. If they dug as deep as they are doing with UKIP I wonder how many of THEIR members would be found saying similar things. If they wanted to do something that is really important they should be thinking about Tory MP's taking cash for questions, and fiddling expenses. Senior Labour MP's with links to paedophile organisations, and fiddling expenses. Lib Dem MP's swapping driving licence points, fiddling expenses, and sweeping Cyril Smith's alleged crimes under the carpet for 3 decades. The indiscretions of a few UKIP supporters is very small beer indeed when compared to that lot. People in glass houses Etc. comes to mind. " They're all in glass houses that doesn't make racism nonsense or less important than the expenses or Cyril Smith issues. | |||
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"I don't think Farage will take on Newark. He would be on a hiding to nothing. As far as I'm aware, should he be elected to Westminster he would then have to resign as an MEP. So he would be exchanging a full term as an MEP with the risk of less than a year as an MP should he lose it at the general election next year. UKIP will fight hard for the seat but I think Farage himself will keep his powder dry until next year, and will probably stand for a seat in Kent. As for all this racism nonsense. The three major party's and their cheer leaders in the media are in serious panic mode. The Tories have a dedicated team scouring social media sites for the slightest bit of dirt they can find. The Labour party have just appointed a former minister with the brief of smearing UKIP as racists at every opportunity, and the Lib Dems are just panicking. If they dug as deep as they are doing with UKIP I wonder how many of THEIR members would be found saying similar things. If they wanted to do something that is really important they should be thinking about Tory MP's taking cash for questions, and fiddling expenses. Senior Labour MP's with links to paedophile organisations, and fiddling expenses. Lib Dem MP's swapping driving licence points, fiddling expenses, and sweeping Cyril Smith's alleged crimes under the carpet for 3 decades. The indiscretions of a few UKIP supporters is very small beer indeed when compared to that lot. People in glass houses Etc. comes to mind. They're all in glass houses that doesn't make racism nonsense or less important than the expenses or Cyril Smith issues. " Oh I think it does. At least when UKIP find a bad apple they act immediately. Cameron fought tooth and nail to save Maria Miller's career, the Labour party still has more flippers than a row of pinball machines, and the Smith case has been covered up for more than three decades. That is very different to a hand full of junior party members making inappropriate remarks, especially when those remarks are used to try to label the entire party. | |||
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"The idiot is just a fraud claiming everything he can for being a MEP But all the leaders are very poor" Think that goes for all MEP`s it is a great way to make extra money, | |||
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"I don't think Farage will take on Newark. He would be on a hiding to nothing. As far as I'm aware, should he be elected to Westminster he would then have to resign as an MEP. So he would be exchanging a full term as an MEP with the risk of less than a year as an MP should he lose it at the general election next year. UKIP will fight hard for the seat but I think Farage himself will keep his powder dry until next year, and will probably stand for a seat in Kent. As for all this racism nonsense. The three major party's and their cheer leaders in the media are in serious panic mode. The Tories have a dedicated team scouring social media sites for the slightest bit of dirt they can find. The Labour party have just appointed a former minister with the brief of smearing UKIP as racists at every opportunity, and the Lib Dems are just panicking. If they dug as deep as they are doing with UKIP I wonder how many of THEIR members would be found saying similar things. If they wanted to do something that is really important they should be thinking about Tory MP's taking cash for questions, and fiddling expenses. Senior Labour MP's with links to paedophile organisations, and fiddling expenses. Lib Dem MP's swapping driving licence points, fiddling expenses, and sweeping Cyril Smith's alleged crimes under the carpet for 3 decades. The indiscretions of a few UKIP supporters is very small beer indeed when compared to that lot. People in glass houses Etc. comes to mind. They're all in glass houses that doesn't make racism nonsense or less important than the expenses or Cyril Smith issues. Oh I think it does. At least when UKIP find a bad apple they act immediately. Cameron fought tooth and nail to save Maria Miller's career, the Labour party still has more flippers than a row of pinball machines, and the Smith case has been covered up for more than three decades. That is very different to a hand full of junior party members making inappropriate remarks, especially when those remarks are used to try to label the entire party. " | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him." Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election, but come general election time I'm pretty sure a seat with a 16,000 Tory majority would revert back. That would leave him in the wilderness for 4 years. If he is going to stand for Westminster he would be much better off waiting until next year and picking up a seat that he can hold for a full 5 years. Trading 5 years in Brussels for maybe only one year at Westminster is a pretty poor deal and it would be stupidity to take it. Nothing to do with bottle. | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election" Apparently he doesn't think so. | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election Apparently he doesn't think so." He's probably right, 16,000+ is a fair old majority to overturn even in a bye election. | |||
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"So another swindling conservative has resigned for cash for questions farage is going to try to win the seat .i hope he goes for it and shuts up the naysayers
Totally agree.
Was watching Newsnight earlier and they had a section on the UKIP poster campaign. There was another desperate Labour representative saying how racist the posters are, blah, blah, blah, yawn, yawn, yawn. The programme did gain my interest however when Paxman gave the Labour candidate a grilling on "How are these posters racist?"
Lets just say the Labour arguments were flimsy at best, and the UKIP candidate there also wiped the floor with Labours arguments on the posters in much the same way Farage wiped the floor with Clegg in the televised EU debates. Labour are not convincing anyone and Public opinion on a lot of issues about immigration and membership of the EU is clearly with UKIP. " | |||
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"We have joined UKIP. It wont happen over night but people are fed up with the other parties treating us like idiots. All telling the same sugar coated lies and making promises they never intend to keep. None of them know what real life is like outside the Westminster bubble. We live in Somerset, remember the floods. They all came running when they thought it would be a good publicity to have their photos taken with the flood victims. Do any of them really care less. Of course not." Good for you...we are joining UKIP next week. | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election Apparently he doesn't think so." not enough immigrants in Newark for him to stoke up that mentality... if he does run for a seat in the next election it will be one in lincolnshire where he can get out his vote (eastern european resentment!) I think it is interesting to see how they are selecting candidates... because after 1 resigned yesterday for saying "lenny henry should go to a black country" and 2 were dismissed for having BNP/EDL times... another "fuckwit" has chimed in this morning asking "how Mo Farrah, an african, can win medals at the olympics for Team GB?".... so I assume Chris Froome passed the test them.....  | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election Apparently he doesn't think so. not enough immigrants in Newark for him to stoke up that mentality... if he does run for a seat in the next election it will be one in lincolnshire where he can get out his vote (eastern european resentment!) I think it is interesting to see how they are selecting candidates... because after 1 resigned yesterday for saying "lenny henry should go to a black country" and 2 were dismissed for having BNP/EDL times... another "fuckwit" has chimed in this morning asking "how Mo Farrah, an african, can win medals at the olympics for Team GB?".... so I assume Chris Froome passed the test them..... "Cry me a river. | |||
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" Cry me a river." interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election Apparently he doesn't think so. not enough immigrants in Newark for him to stoke up that mentality... if he does run for a seat in the next election it will be one in lincolnshire where he can get out his vote (eastern european resentment!) I think it is interesting to see how they are selecting candidates... because after 1 resigned yesterday for saying "lenny henry should go to a black country" and 2 were dismissed for having BNP/EDL times... another "fuckwit" has chimed in this morning asking "how Mo Farrah, an african, can win medals at the olympics for Team GB?".... so I assume Chris Froome passed the test them..... "I think a few have the idea that this is to be a slightly more respectable level of ignorance than the BNP represented and therefore acceptable. However I encourage as many Tories as possible to vote for them - it all helps  | |||
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"I'm glad he's ruled himself out (whatever his real reason) I hate parachuting in of candidates." This is true - I was waiting on another "Hello Blackburn *cough* I mean Bradford" moment | |||
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" Cry me a river. interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? " sorry...lets make that EU and Immigration.... we know where they stand on those......
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" Cry me a river. interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? sorry...lets make that EU and Immigration.... we know where they stand on those......
so to any UKIP supporter/Member.... any other policy?"Did you see that delightful interview with Farage when he was quizzed on his own manifesto taken from his party's website and did not have a clue. Comedy gold | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election Apparently he doesn't think so. not enough immigrants in Newark for him to stoke up that mentality... if he does run for a seat in the next election it will be one in lincolnshire where he can get out his vote (eastern european resentment!) I think it is interesting to see how they are selecting candidates... because after 1 resigned yesterday for saying "lenny henry should go to a black country" and 2 were dismissed for having BNP/EDL times... another "fuckwit" has chimed in this morning asking "how Mo Farrah, an african, can win medals at the olympics for Team GB?".... so I assume Chris Froome passed the test them.....
I think a few have the idea that this is to be a slightly more respectable level of ignorance than the BNP represented and therefore acceptable.
However I encourage as many Tories as possible to vote for them - it all helps "I suspect that much like the BNP as soon as they make real inroads their idiocy, hatred and limited policies will lead to their own downfall. | |||
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" Cry me a river. interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? sorry...lets make that EU and Immigration.... we know where they stand on those......
so to any UKIP supporter/Member.... any other policy?
Did you see that delightful interview with Farage when he was quizzed on his own manifesto taken from his party's website and did not have a clue. Comedy gold "It was a work in progress. Without Farage, and the EU money that supports UKIP, where would UKIP be in the discussion in the country? Nowhere. One good self publicist and few policies. Hmmm. | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election Apparently he doesn't think so. not enough immigrants in Newark for him to stoke up that mentality... if he does run for a seat in the next election it will be one in lincolnshire where he can get out his vote (eastern european resentment!) I think it is interesting to see how they are selecting candidates... because after 1 resigned yesterday for saying "lenny henry should go to a black country" and 2 were dismissed for having BNP/EDL times... another "fuckwit" has chimed in this morning asking "how Mo Farrah, an african, can win medals at the olympics for Team GB?".... so I assume Chris Froome passed the test them..... "And this is less tgan a year on from last year's council elections where it came to light they were so desperate for candidates they let pretty much anyone stand and the subsequent promise they would actually bother to screen their future candidates | |||
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" Cry me a river. interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? sorry...lets make that EU and Immigration.... we know where they stand on those......
so to any UKIP supporter/Member.... any other policy?
Did you see that delightful interview with Farage when he was quizzed on his own manifesto taken from his party's website and did not have a clue. Comedy gold
It was a work in progress.
Without Farage, and the EU money that supports UKIP, where would UKIP be in the discussion in the country? Nowhere.
One good self publicist and few policies. Hmmm.
"Yet before he announced it as a work in progress he blamed his lack of knowledge of his own manifesto on a lack of IT skills. Totally clueless. | |||
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" Cry me a river. interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? sorry...lets make that EU and Immigration.... we know where they stand on those......
so to any UKIP supporter/Member.... any other policy?"Firstly getting out of the EU has much more benefit to Britain (and eventually the whole of Europe when the whole rotten edifice comes crashing down) than just immigration. The cost of membership is horrendous. Not only the British contribution to the bloated budget, but the added costs to business that membership brings. Many small/medium businesses that don't even trade in the EU are tied up in knots with Brussels regulation. Add to that the corruption and down right theft of EU money (your money) and is it wise to be a member of and major contributor to any organisation that hasn't had its books signed off for 2 decades? Away from Europe UKIP fully support the reintroduction of Grammar Schools, the abolition of which was the first step to the UK's second class education system which has brought nothing but failure since the 70's. I always find it not only ironic but quite funny when I hear Labour supporters going off on a Tory toffs rant. The reason parliament is full of public schoolboys is because the Labour party slammed the door firmly shut on the only route many working class kids had to get in. Think of all the former Grammar School boys and girls (in all party's) that turned into great politicians. Another good UKIP policy is the abandonment of the HS2 white elephant. It is nothing more that a politicians ego trip. Google unopened Spanish airports for a similar tale of wasting billions for nothing. UKIP supports fracking, and while the greenies might be throwing their arms up in the air in shock and horror at the thought of it, like it or not, we need it. Successive governments have dawdled and doodled and tilted at useless windmills at the expense of building proper power stations that will keep the lights on. So much so that there will be an energy crisis in the not so distant future. Also add into the mix that gas supplies from Russia are now not as secure as we once thought. Will that lot do for starters? | |||
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"Equating UKIP to the BNP is no less a lazy-thinking throw away comparison than saying Labour and the Respect Party are the same. For clarification I support none of the 3 parties, nor Farage and certainly not the BNP, I like to think I have enough of a critical eye to show all of them the disdain they deserve, not just those who I'm ideologically opposed to. Those who've been elected have been duplicitous, ALL keen to court the super-wealthy and not terribly competent. None of them are going to serve you people, career politicians don't act selflessly. The ones that do are either dead or dying a slow death on the back benches." I never 'equated' them. My point is that while the BNP represented a 'lower class' of racism, UKIP is attracting some with similar views but in the middle classes. Farage may not stand for that (whatever his motives) but UKIP has undeniably attracted that audience. I agree about career politicians. It won't change until the financial system melts down - probably the next recession in about 10 years time. | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election! you have more chance of red rum and desert orchid doing the double than labour winning the next election ." I'll take those odds | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. The whole of our political system needs an enema. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. Greens for me from now on. " The corrupt,lying Establishment..love people like you...your ideal. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold." What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? "The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently)" The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. "People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea." Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. "European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people." Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. "You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up." And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. "Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. " Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. "Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more." Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. "The whole of our political system needs an enema." On that we agree. " But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use." They are not perfect but will do for now "Greens for me from now on." You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. | |||
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"As I suspected he hasn't the bottle. Too far north for him. Why is it "he hasn't the bottle"? He could well fight it and win in a Bye election Apparently he doesn't think so. not enough immigrants in Newark for him to stoke up that mentality... if he does run for a seat in the next election it will be one in lincolnshire where he can get out his vote (eastern european resentment!) I think it is interesting to see how they are selecting candidates... because after 1 resigned yesterday for saying "lenny henry should go to a black country" and 2 were dismissed for having BNP/EDL times... another "fuckwit" has chimed in this morning asking "how Mo Farrah, an african, can win medals at the olympics for Team GB?".... so I assume Chris Froome passed the test them..... "But Lenny is he is from Dudley  | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. " Well said...i do love common sense. | |||
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"Sorry to sound a hair-splitter but they're all lightweights!! Politicians with gravitas, dignity and conviction don't really exist any more. They pretty much all have similar backgrounds, attend the same institutions and either head for politics or become journalists, 2 sides of the same tarnished coin. Even those who enter politics with good intentions, the desire to 'get on' will ultimately mean a lot of people will compromise it all for a shot at the front benches. Conform or die! Knowing your party line or being media savvy through training might make you better at persuading people you're a good politician, doesn't mean you've got the slightest interest in social justice or doing the best for your constituents." Rose tinted glasses I'm afraid...politics means exactly that, compromise, deals, means to an end, real politik. It was ever thus. Minimum historical research tells us that corrupt, devious, self serving, evasive, greedy, unprincipled, politicians is nothing new. | |||
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"Sorry to sound a hair-splitter but they're all lightweights!! Politicians with gravitas, dignity and conviction don't really exist any more. They pretty much all have similar backgrounds, attend the same institutions and either head for politics or become journalists, 2 sides of the same tarnished coin. Even those who enter politics with good intentions, the desire to 'get on' will ultimately mean a lot of people will compromise it all for a shot at the front benches. Conform or die! Knowing your party line or being media savvy through training might make you better at persuading people you're a good politician, doesn't mean you've got the slightest interest in social justice or doing the best for your constituents. Rose tinted glasses I'm afraid...politics means exactly that, compromise, deals, means to an end, real politik. It was ever thus. Minimum historical research tells us that corrupt, devious, self serving, evasive, greedy, unprincipled, politicians is nothing new. " Nothing I said hints at rose tinted! I can count one hand the names of truly principled politicians. They're almost all dead. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? " UKIP was a prominent voice in the opposition of gay marriage. And see my next reply on keeping gobs shut. "The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument." How does it? They were the ones too stupid to keep their gobs shut. They were only ditched because of that. "Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject." As a member of the EU we are committed to having open borders to immigration for WORK. And that flows in both directions. As the rest of the world is outside the EU they are not part of this agreement. That is not rascist, that's sensible. UKIP has in this last week been pilloried for it's posters claiming that immigrants within the EU are keeping British people out of work. Perhaps you missed that not being resident here. "People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. " Really? That we're a tiny island in the north sea or that people still think like that? Understand your confusion on the first as you live elsewhere, but on the second point I work with people who think that. (Ironically they are SNP supporters too) "European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. " Ah, because denying someone human rights is a bad thing, I keep forgetting. Or instead of making sure a guilty person is punished for a crime committed in this country, they are sent away to a country where they may well just be let out? How's that justice for the victim? But on a day to day basis as a taxpayer, EU laws make very little difference to me. In fact as a cyclist they've made my journey to work moderately safer with new cars having to do less damage to pedestrians in a collision. And the EU has trade laws which they can apply to import or export of goods outside the EU. Generally to try and make people favour buying EU goods over imported ones. So if we were outside the EU some things would be more expensive. Farmers in this country cannot provide food for all of us. Sure we'd get to keep our CAP payment but that won't make crops grow. So food prices would rise as we have to import from the EU and the price would go up. People might have to start paying what a pint of milk costs a farmer to produce. "Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration." I'll agree with that point if they were prepared to agree to population control measures within our own population. No point stopping immigration here if British people are shooting out sprogs like the human race is about to die out. "The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now " Yeah, that's what I want running my country, a party "that'll do". "Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. " Why, has it fallen into the sea? I'll vote green S a more sensible protest vote than a bunch of right wing fear mongers. On a side note, I know for a fact that lots of BNP members went UKIP. Because I used to work and deal with them daily. I had to police a BNP rally in Luton a few years ago. Have you ever been to one? They are truly horrific things to behold. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? UKIP was a prominent voice in the opposition of gay marriage. And see my next reply on keeping gobs shut. The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. How does it? They were the ones too stupid to keep their gobs shut. They were only ditched because of that. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. As a member of the EU we are committed to having open borders to immigration for WORK. And that flows in both directions. As the rest of the world is outside the EU they are not part of this agreement. That is not rascist, that's sensible. UKIP has in this last week been pilloried for it's posters claiming that immigrants within the EU are keeping British people out of work. Perhaps you missed that not being resident here. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. Really? That we're a tiny island in the north sea or that people still think like that? Understand your confusion on the first as you live elsewhere, but on the second point I work with people who think that. (Ironically they are SNP supporters too) European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Ah, because denying someone human rights is a bad thing, I keep forgetting. Or instead of making sure a guilty person is punished for a crime committed in this country, they are sent away to a country where they may well just be let out? How's that justice for the victim? But on a day to day basis as a taxpayer, EU laws make very little difference to me. In fact as a cyclist they've made my journey to work moderately safer with new cars having to do less damage to pedestrians in a collision. And the EU has trade laws which they can apply to import or export of goods outside the EU. Generally to try and make people favour buying EU goods over imported ones. So if we were outside the EU some things would be more expensive. Farmers in this country cannot provide food for all of us. Sure we'd get to keep our CAP payment but that won't make crops grow. So food prices would rise as we have to import from the EU and the price would go up. People might have to start paying what a pint of milk costs a farmer to produce. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. I'll agree with that point if they were prepared to agree to population control measures within our own population. No point stopping immigration here if British people are shooting out sprogs like the human race is about to die out. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Yeah, that's what I want running my country, a party "that'll do". Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. Why, has it fallen into the sea? I'll vote green S a more sensible protest vote than a bunch of right wing fear mongers. On a side note, I know for a fact that lots of BNP members went UKIP. Because I used to work and deal with them daily. I had to police a BNP rally in Luton a few years ago. Have you ever been to one? They are truly horrific things to behold. " And did you see all those BNP banner's ..which read...BEHEAD ALL NON-BELIEVERS....oop's,sorry that was the other lot. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. Well said...i do love common sense." | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election! you have more chance of red rum and desert orchid doing the double than labour winning the next election ." sorry, but i fear you are wrong. the electorate, or rather a great proportion of them, are stupid and have a VERY short memory. they forget some of the reasons behind the fact that the tories have had to slash and cut, again, and just remember that 'things were better under laour' so will vote them back in. then 4/8 years down the line, they will vote the tories back in to pic up the pieces of a disasterous fiscal policy and then moan about them being 'all about the rich', as they always do. its a viscious circle that we will never be rid of, until we go to a dictatorship and do away with this version of a democracy | |||
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"Sorry to sound a hair-splitter but they're all lightweights!! Politicians with gravitas, dignity and conviction don't really exist any more. They pretty much all have similar backgrounds, attend the same institutions and either head for politics or become journalists, 2 sides of the same tarnished coin. Even those who enter politics with good intentions, the desire to 'get on' will ultimately mean a lot of people will compromise it all for a shot at the front benches. Conform or die! Knowing your party line or being media savvy through training might make you better at persuading people you're a good politician, doesn't mean you've got the slightest interest in social justice or doing the best for your constituents. Rose tinted glasses I'm afraid...politics means exactly that, compromise, deals, means to an end, real politik. It was ever thus. Minimum historical research tells us that corrupt, devious, self serving, evasive, greedy, unprincipled, politicians is nothing new. Nothing I said hints at rose tinted! I can count one hand the names of truly principled politicians. They're almost all dead. " | |||
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"Sorry to sound a hair-splitter but they're all lightweights!! Politicians with gravitas, dignity and conviction don't really exist any more. They pretty much all have similar backgrounds, attend the same institutions and either head for politics or become journalists, 2 sides of the same tarnished coin. Even those who enter politics with good intentions, the desire to 'get on' will ultimately mean a lot of people will compromise it all for a shot at the front benches. Conform or die! Knowing your party line or being media savvy through training might make you better at persuading people you're a good politician, doesn't mean you've got the slightest interest in social justice or doing the best for your constituents. Rose tinted glasses I'm afraid...politics means exactly that, compromise, deals, means to an end, real politik. It was ever thus. Minimum historical research tells us that corrupt, devious, self serving, evasive, greedy, unprincipled, politicians is nothing new. Nothing I said hints at rose tinted! I can count one hand the names of truly principled politicians. They're almost all dead. " And I can count on more than two hands politicians of yesteryear that were supposedly principled, but were not | |||
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" Cry me a river. interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? sorry...lets make that EU and Immigration.... we know where they stand on those......
so to any UKIP supporter/Member.... any other policy?"Yes many other areas of UKIP policy i agree with besides immigration and having a referendum on Britains membership of the EU. _otlovefun42 has already pointed out a good many of them in their posts above if you care to read them? Some others not mentioned though which i agree with is an end to our armed services getting involved in wars and conflicts in foreign countries which do not concern us. Remember Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now we almost got into a war with Syria aswel. Got forbid we decide to get involved in Ukraine? Farage has said he would put a stop to Britain getting involved in these foreign wars and i agree with him. Cameron and Blair/Brown before him just like americas poodle, following and sending our troops off to fight in conflicts which our nation would be better off staying well clear of. Other policies, a stop to an EU imposed robin hood financial transaction tax on the city of London. Never agreeing to give prisoners the right to vote while they serve time in jail (something which the EU is trying to force us to do)! Stop HS2, less wind farms and scrap green taxes, more fracking for our gas needs and cheaper energy bills as a result. I went along to a UKIP meeting a couple months ago, it was an open meeting so anyone could attend if they wanted to. Audience could ask questions. Just for the record do you see Labour or the Tories or even the Lib dems having puplic meetings?.....No you don't. What have they got to hide? UKIP don't have anything to hide. Got some leaflets on UKIP policies from the meeting so i could go on all day about what they have planned if you'd really like me to but all will soon be revealed when they release their party manifesto for the 2015 general election. Oh and the Labour party, Conservative and Lib dems have'nt released their manifestos for 2015 yet either, so can anyone really say what their policies will be????? As for the rubbish about UKIP being racist its nonsense, and people comparing UKIP to the BNP really need to do some homework. Do the BNP allow black or asian people to be members of their party? I don't think they do but just google the name Amjad Bashir, he's UKIPs small business spokesman and is of ethnic minority. Don't think i need to say anymore really as the argument is won with that statement. Its also funny how people like to complain about UKIP mep's claiming european parliament expenses, but i guess its ok for Labour, Conservative, and Lib dem mep's to claim european expenses is'nt it? Why do we not hear about that in the news? I think Farage would trade his £40,000 a year EU pension, and all his EU expenses tomorrow if it would mean and end to the European Union or Britain leaving the EU. He has said himself that he wants all MEP's fired and the whole rotten organisaton to come crashing down. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? UKIP was a prominent voice in the opposition of gay marriage. And see my next reply on keeping gobs shut. The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. How does it? They were the ones too stupid to keep their gobs shut. They were only ditched because of that. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. As a member of the EU we are committed to having open borders to immigration for WORK. And that flows in both directions. As the rest of the world is outside the EU they are not part of this agreement. That is not rascist, that's sensible. UKIP has in this last week been pilloried for it's posters claiming that immigrants within the EU are keeping British people out of work. Perhaps you missed that not being resident here. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. Really? That we're a tiny island in the north sea or that people still think like that? Understand your confusion on the first as you live elsewhere, but on the second point I work with people who think that. (Ironically they are SNP supporters too) European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Ah, because denying someone human rights is a bad thing, I keep forgetting. Or instead of making sure a guilty person is punished for a crime committed in this country, they are sent away to a country where they may well just be let out? How's that justice for the victim? But on a day to day basis as a taxpayer, EU laws make very little difference to me. In fact as a cyclist they've made my journey to work moderately safer with new cars having to do less damage to pedestrians in a collision. And the EU has trade laws which they can apply to import or export of goods outside the EU. Generally to try and make people favour buying EU goods over imported ones. So if we were outside the EU some things would be more expensive. Farmers in this country cannot provide food for all of us. Sure we'd get to keep our CAP payment but that won't make crops grow. So food prices would rise as we have to import from the EU and the price would go up. People might have to start paying what a pint of milk costs a farmer to produce. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. I'll agree with that point if they were prepared to agree to population control measures within our own population. No point stopping immigration here if British people are shooting out sprogs like the human race is about to die out. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Yeah, that's what I want running my country, a party "that'll do". Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. Why, has it fallen into the sea? I'll vote green S a more sensible protest vote than a bunch of right wing fear mongers. On a side note, I know for a fact that lots of BNP members went UKIP. Because I used to work and deal with them daily. I had to police a BNP rally in Luton a few years ago. Have you ever been to one? They are truly horrific things to behold. And did you see all those BNP banner's ..which read...BEHEAD ALL NON-BELIEVERS....oop's,sorry that was the other lot." | |||
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" Cry me a river. interesting answer...hmmmm out of curiousity... other than immegration, which other UKIP policies do you agree with? sorry...lets make that EU and Immigration.... we know where they stand on those......
so to any UKIP supporter/Member.... any other policy?
Yes many other areas of UKIP policy i agree with besides immigration and having a referendum on Britains membership of the EU. _otlovefun42 has already pointed out a good many of them in their posts above if you care to read them?
Some others not mentioned though which i agree with is an end to our armed services getting involved in wars and conflicts in foreign countries which do not concern us. Remember Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now we almost got into a war with Syria aswel. Got forbid we decide to get involved in Ukraine?
Farage has said he would put a stop to Britain getting involved in these foreign wars and i agree with him. Cameron and Blair/Brown before him just like americas poodle, following and sending our troops off to fight in conflicts which our nation would be better off staying well clear of.
Other policies, a stop to an EU imposed robin hood financial transaction tax on the city of London. Never agreeing to give prisoners the right to vote while they serve time in jail (something which the EU is trying to force us to do)!
Stop HS2, less wind farms and scrap green taxes, more fracking for our gas needs and cheaper energy bills as a result.
I went along to a UKIP meeting a couple months ago, it was an open meeting so anyone could attend if they wanted to. Audience could ask questions. Just for the record do you see Labour or the Tories or even the Lib dems having puplic meetings?.....No you don't.
What have they got to hide? UKIP don't have anything to hide.
Got some leaflets on UKIP policies from the meeting so i could go on all day about what they have planned if you'd really like me to but all will soon be revealed when they release their party manifesto for the 2015 general election.
Oh and the Labour party, Conservative and Lib dems have'nt released their manifestos for 2015 yet either, so can anyone really say what their policies will be?????
As for the rubbish about UKIP being racist its nonsense, and people comparing UKIP to the BNP really need to do some homework. Do the BNP allow black or asian people to be members of their party?
I don't think they do but just google the name Amjad Bashir, he's UKIPs small business spokesman and is of ethnic minority. Don't think i need to say anymore really as the argument is won with that statement.
Its also funny how people like to complain about UKIP mep's claiming european parliament expenses, but i guess its ok for Labour, Conservative, and Lib dem mep's to claim european expenses is'nt it?
Why do we not hear about that in the news?
I think Farage would trade his £40,000 a year EU pension, and all his EU expenses tomorrow if it would mean and end to the European Union or Britain leaving the EU. He has said himself that he wants all MEP's fired and the whole rotten organisaton to come crashing down.
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"I don't think Farage will take on Newark. He would be on a hiding to nothing. As far as I'm aware, should he be elected to Westminster he would then have to resign as an MEP. So he would be exchanging a full term as an MEP with the risk of less than a year as an MP should he lose it at the general election next year. UKIP will fight hard for the seat but I think Farage himself will keep his powder dry until next year, and will probably stand for a seat in Kent. As for all this racism nonsense. The three major party's and their cheer leaders in the media are in serious panic mode. The Tories have a dedicated team scouring social media sites for the slightest bit of dirt they can find. The Labour party have just appointed a former minister with the brief of smearing UKIP as racists at every opportunity, and the Lib Dems are just panicking. If they dug as deep as they are doing with UKIP I wonder how many of THEIR members would be found saying similar things. If they wanted to do something that is really important they should be thinking about Tory MP's taking cash for questions, and fiddling expenses. Senior Labour MP's with links to paedophile organisations, and fiddling expenses. Lib Dem MP's swapping driving licence points, fiddling expenses, and sweeping Cyril Smith's alleged crimes under the carpet for 3 decades. The indiscretions of a few UKIP supporters is very small beer indeed when compared to that lot. People in glass houses Etc. comes to mind. " Yes, and thought i would add the other Labour party member (or ex party member) the Rev Paul Flowers, otherwise known as the Crystal methodist who liked to take drugs such as cocaine, crystal meth and ketamine, while partaking in the services of rent boys.  | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? UKIP was a prominent voice in the opposition of gay marriage. And see my next reply on keeping gobs shut. The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. How does it? They were the ones too stupid to keep their gobs shut. They were only ditched because of that. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. As a member of the EU we are committed to having open borders to immigration for WORK. And that flows in both directions. As the rest of the world is outside the EU they are not part of this agreement. That is not rascist, that's sensible. UKIP has in this last week been pilloried for it's posters claiming that immigrants within the EU are keeping British people out of work. Perhaps you missed that not being resident here. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. Really? That we're a tiny island in the north sea or that people still think like that? Understand your confusion on the first as you live elsewhere, but on the second point I work with people who think that. (Ironically they are SNP supporters too) European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Ah, because denying someone human rights is a bad thing, I keep forgetting. Or instead of making sure a guilty person is punished for a crime committed in this country, they are sent away to a country where they may well just be let out? How's that justice for the victim? But on a day to day basis as a taxpayer, EU laws make very little difference to me. In fact as a cyclist they've made my journey to work moderately safer with new cars having to do less damage to pedestrians in a collision. And the EU has trade laws which they can apply to import or export of goods outside the EU. Generally to try and make people favour buying EU goods over imported ones. So if we were outside the EU some things would be more expensive. Farmers in this country cannot provide food for all of us. Sure we'd get to keep our CAP payment but that won't make crops grow. So food prices would rise as we have to import from the EU and the price would go up. People might have to start paying what a pint of milk costs a farmer to produce. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. I'll agree with that point if they were prepared to agree to population control measures within our own population. No point stopping immigration here if British people are shooting out sprogs like the human race is about to die out. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Yeah, that's what I want running my country, a party "that'll do". Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. Why, has it fallen into the sea? I'll vote green S a more sensible protest vote than a bunch of right wing fear mongers. On a side note, I know for a fact that lots of BNP members went UKIP. Because I used to work and deal with them daily. I had to police a BNP rally in Luton a few years ago. Have you ever been to one? They are truly horrific things to behold. And did you see all those BNP banner's ..which read...BEHEAD ALL NON-BELIEVERS....oop's,sorry that was the other lot. "I find it ironic that while people are arguing the fact that UKIP aren;t racist this quote appears by one of the most vocal UKIP supports posts this and another posts supporting it. Says it all really... | |||
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" As for the rubbish about UKIP being racist its nonsense, and people comparing UKIP to the BNP really need to do some homework. Do the BNP allow black or asian people to be members of their party? I don't think they do but just google the name Amjad Bashir, he's UKIPs small business spokesman and is of ethnic minority. Don't think i need to say anymore really as the argument is won with that statement. " So it's just a coincidence that their members keep being explelled for making racist comments? And non of their members have been previously been linked to far right parties? Your argument ios on a par with saying you aren;t racist because tou;ve got an asian friend | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? UKIP was a prominent voice in the opposition of gay marriage. And see my next reply on keeping gobs shut. The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. How does it? They were the ones too stupid to keep their gobs shut. They were only ditched because of that. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. As a member of the EU we are committed to having open borders to immigration for WORK. And that flows in both directions. As the rest of the world is outside the EU they are not part of this agreement. That is not rascist, that's sensible. UKIP has in this last week been pilloried for it's posters claiming that immigrants within the EU are keeping British people out of work. Perhaps you missed that not being resident here. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. Really? That we're a tiny island in the north sea or that people still think like that? Understand your confusion on the first as you live elsewhere, but on the second point I work with people who think that. (Ironically they are SNP supporters too) European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Ah, because denying someone human rights is a bad thing, I keep forgetting. Or instead of making sure a guilty person is punished for a crime committed in this country, they are sent away to a country where they may well just be let out? How's that justice for the victim? But on a day to day basis as a taxpayer, EU laws make very little difference to me. In fact as a cyclist they've made my journey to work moderately safer with new cars having to do less damage to pedestrians in a collision. And the EU has trade laws which they can apply to import or export of goods outside the EU. Generally to try and make people favour buying EU goods over imported ones. So if we were outside the EU some things would be more expensive. Farmers in this country cannot provide food for all of us. Sure we'd get to keep our CAP payment but that won't make crops grow. So food prices would rise as we have to import from the EU and the price would go up. People might have to start paying what a pint of milk costs a farmer to produce. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. I'll agree with that point if they were prepared to agree to population control measures within our own population. No point stopping immigration here if British people are shooting out sprogs like the human race is about to die out. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Yeah, that's what I want running my country, a party "that'll do". Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. Why, has it fallen into the sea? I'll vote green S a more sensible protest vote than a bunch of right wing fear mongers. On a side note, I know for a fact that lots of BNP members went UKIP. Because I used to work and deal with them daily. I had to police a BNP rally in Luton a few years ago. Have you ever been to one? They are truly horrific things to behold. And did you see all those BNP banner's ..which read...BEHEAD ALL NON-BELIEVERS....oop's,sorry that was the other lot.
I find it ironic that while people are arguing the fact that UKIP aren;t racist this quote appears by one of the most vocal UKIP supports posts this and another posts supporting it. Says it all really... "I suppose you condone the actions of left wing groups like Unite against Fascism then? Really they are no better than the BNP who they oppose, turning up to demonstrations and rallies with the intent to cause fights, trouble and riots,..... BNP/UAF two sides of the same coin really. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? UKIP was a prominent voice in the opposition of gay marriage. And see my next reply on keeping gobs shut. The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. How does it? They were the ones too stupid to keep their gobs shut. They were only ditched because of that. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. As a member of the EU we are committed to having open borders to immigration for WORK. And that flows in both directions. As the rest of the world is outside the EU they are not part of this agreement. That is not rascist, that's sensible. UKIP has in this last week been pilloried for it's posters claiming that immigrants within the EU are keeping British people out of work. Perhaps you missed that not being resident here. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. Really? That we're a tiny island in the north sea or that people still think like that? Understand your confusion on the first as you live elsewhere, but on the second point I work with people who think that. (Ironically they are SNP supporters too) European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Ah, because denying someone human rights is a bad thing, I keep forgetting. Or instead of making sure a guilty person is punished for a crime committed in this country, they are sent away to a country where they may well just be let out? How's that justice for the victim? But on a day to day basis as a taxpayer, EU laws make very little difference to me. In fact as a cyclist they've made my journey to work moderately safer with new cars having to do less damage to pedestrians in a collision. And the EU has trade laws which they can apply to import or export of goods outside the EU. Generally to try and make people favour buying EU goods over imported ones. So if we were outside the EU some things would be more expensive. Farmers in this country cannot provide food for all of us. Sure we'd get to keep our CAP payment but that won't make crops grow. So food prices would rise as we have to import from the EU and the price would go up. People might have to start paying what a pint of milk costs a farmer to produce. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. I'll agree with that point if they were prepared to agree to population control measures within our own population. No point stopping immigration here if British people are shooting out sprogs like the human race is about to die out. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Yeah, that's what I want running my country, a party "that'll do". Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. Why, has it fallen into the sea? I'll vote green S a more sensible protest vote than a bunch of right wing fear mongers. On a side note, I know for a fact that lots of BNP members went UKIP. Because I used to work and deal with them daily. I had to police a BNP rally in Luton a few years ago. Have you ever been to one? They are truly horrific things to behold. And did you see all those BNP banner's ..which read...BEHEAD ALL NON-BELIEVERS....oop's,sorry that was the other lot.
I find it ironic that while people are arguing the fact that UKIP aren;t racist this quote appears by one of the most vocal UKIP supports posts this and another posts supporting it. Says it all really...
I suppose you condone the actions of left wing groups like Unite against Fascism then?
Really they are no better than the BNP who they oppose, turning up to demonstrations and rallies with the intent to cause fights, trouble and riots,..... BNP/UAF two sides of the same coin really. "Proud to say that I'm an active supporter of UAF.
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" As for the rubbish about UKIP being racist its nonsense, and people comparing UKIP to the BNP really need to do some homework. Do the BNP allow black or asian people to be members of their party? I don't think they do but just google the name Amjad Bashir, he's UKIPs small business spokesman and is of ethnic minority. Don't think i need to say anymore really as the argument is won with that statement. So it's just a coincidence that their members keep being explelled for making racist comments? And non of their members have been previously been linked to far right parties? Your argument ios on a par with saying you aren;t racist because tou;ve got an asian friend" You conveniently dodged my question there i see, do the BNP allow black or asian people to join their party? Care to give an answer this time? Rusty Lee also another member/supporter of UKIP, see now thats one asian friend and one black friend. Shall i go on because i assure you i CAN name more. Are you suggesting Rusty Lee and Amjad Bashir are now racists then? From what you said they are supporting a racist party????? | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? UKIP was a prominent voice in the opposition of gay marriage. And see my next reply on keeping gobs shut. The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. How does it? They were the ones too stupid to keep their gobs shut. They were only ditched because of that. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. As a member of the EU we are committed to having open borders to immigration for WORK. And that flows in both directions. As the rest of the world is outside the EU they are not part of this agreement. That is not rascist, that's sensible. UKIP has in this last week been pilloried for it's posters claiming that immigrants within the EU are keeping British people out of work. Perhaps you missed that not being resident here. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. Really? That we're a tiny island in the north sea or that people still think like that? Understand your confusion on the first as you live elsewhere, but on the second point I work with people who think that. (Ironically they are SNP supporters too) European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Ah, because denying someone human rights is a bad thing, I keep forgetting. Or instead of making sure a guilty person is punished for a crime committed in this country, they are sent away to a country where they may well just be let out? How's that justice for the victim? But on a day to day basis as a taxpayer, EU laws make very little difference to me. In fact as a cyclist they've made my journey to work moderately safer with new cars having to do less damage to pedestrians in a collision. And the EU has trade laws which they can apply to import or export of goods outside the EU. Generally to try and make people favour buying EU goods over imported ones. So if we were outside the EU some things would be more expensive. Farmers in this country cannot provide food for all of us. Sure we'd get to keep our CAP payment but that won't make crops grow. So food prices would rise as we have to import from the EU and the price would go up. People might have to start paying what a pint of milk costs a farmer to produce. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. I'll agree with that point if they were prepared to agree to population control measures within our own population. No point stopping immigration here if British people are shooting out sprogs like the human race is about to die out. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Yeah, that's what I want running my country, a party "that'll do". Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. Why, has it fallen into the sea? I'll vote green S a more sensible protest vote than a bunch of right wing fear mongers. On a side note, I know for a fact that lots of BNP members went UKIP. Because I used to work and deal with them daily. I had to police a BNP rally in Luton a few years ago. Have you ever been to one? They are truly horrific things to behold. And did you see all those BNP banner's ..which read...BEHEAD ALL NON-BELIEVERS....oop's,sorry that was the other lot.
I find it ironic that while people are arguing the fact that UKIP aren;t racist this quote appears by one of the most vocal UKIP supports posts this and another posts supporting it. Says it all really...
I suppose you condone the actions of left wing groups like Unite against Fascism then?
Really they are no better than the BNP who they oppose, turning up to demonstrations and rallies with the intent to cause fights, trouble and riots,..... BNP/UAF two sides of the same coin really.
Proud to say that I'm an active supporter of UAF.
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"Difference is that those with banners saying "behead all non-believers" numbered in the 10's. No one took them seriously and quite rightly so, they were decried by all sides. Those who wanted Britain for the British only numbered in the thousands and speak to the basest levels of the psyche for those with a misguided sense of nationalism. As shown by this thread many take them seriously. So who should worry you more? " I'm not a BNP or EDL supporter, never have been and never will be. I don't support groups like UAF either. I vote UKIP and just trying to make the point that they are not a racist party and its not racist to want proper controls on immigration. If you think Farage will come out one day and make an Enoch Powell rivers of blood speech, you'll be a long time waiting and will get better odds down the bookies of Pigs flying. | |||
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" As for the rubbish about UKIP being racist its nonsense, and people comparing UKIP to the BNP really need to do some homework. Do the BNP allow black or asian people to be members of their party? I don't think they do but just google the name Amjad Bashir, he's UKIPs small business spokesman and is of ethnic minority. Don't think i need to say anymore really as the argument is won with that statement. So it's just a coincidence that their members keep being explelled for making racist comments? And non of their members have been previously been linked to far right parties? Your argument ios on a par with saying you aren;t racist because tou;ve got an asian friend You conveniently dodged my question there i see, do the BNP allow black or asian people to join their party? Care to give an answer this time? Rusty Lee also another member/supporter of UKIP, see now thats one asian friend and one black friend. Shall i go on because i assure you i CAN name more. Are you suggesting Rusty Lee and Amjad Bashir are now racists then? From what you said they are supporting a racist party????? " If you want to play the name game William Henwood - racist tweets Andre Lampitt - suspended from the party for racism David Silvester - Homophobic letter to local press Do I need to carry on? Or maybe we could look at the Europe for Freedom and Democracy group that UKIP are aligned to withinj the European Parliament. A vikle collective of far right extremists. You can tell a lot by the company people keep... | |||
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"Difference is that those with banners saying "behead all non-believers" numbered in the 10's. No one took them seriously and quite rightly so, they were decried by all sides. Those who wanted Britain for the British only numbered in the thousands and speak to the basest levels of the psyche for those with a misguided sense of nationalism. As shown by this thread many take them seriously. So who should worry you more? I'm not a BNP or EDL supporter, never have been and never will be. I don't support groups like UAF either. I vote UKIP and just trying to make the point that they are not a racist party and its not racist to want proper controls on immigration. If you think Farage will come out one day and make an Enoch Powell rivers of blood speech, you'll be a long time waiting and will get better odds down the bookies of Pigs flying." He won't have to. The rest of his party and supporters will do it for him. | |||
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"Oh and the BNP had black and asian members - Rajinder Singh being the first. So that's that argument well and truly countered" Yes Rajinder Singh, a self confessed racist sikh, who hated muslims and Islam because a muslim murdered his father (Is'nt google a wonderful tool). So a racist joins a racist party, he joined BNP to make a point. Can't really compare him with Amjad Bashir and Rusty Lee, who joined UKIP for totally different reasons. | |||
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"Oh and the BNP had black and asian members - Rajinder Singh being the first. So that's that argument well and truly countered Yes Rajinder Singh, a self confessed racist sikh, who hated muslims and Islam because a muslim murdered his father (Is'nt google a wonderful tool). So a racist joins a racist party, he joined BNP to make a point. Can't really compare him with Amjad Bashir and Rusty Lee, who joined UKIP for totally different reasons. " So now your your argument totally changes. I'll remind you what you said (twice): "You conveniently dodged my question there i see, do the BNP allow black or asian people to join their party?" You argued repeatedly that a fundamental difference between UKIP and the BNP was that the BNP didn;t allow black or asian members. They did. And he wasn;t the only one. So let's revisit your argument that UKIP aren't racist because they have black and Asian members because it really doesn't appear to stand up to scrutiny does it? | |||
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"Difference is that those with banners saying "behead all non-believers" numbered in the 10's. No one took them seriously and quite rightly so, they were decried by all sides. Those who wanted Britain for the British only numbered in the thousands and speak to the basest levels of the psyche for those with a misguided sense of nationalism. As shown by this thread many take them seriously. So who should worry you more? I'm not a BNP or EDL supporter, never have been and never will be. I don't support groups like UAF either. I vote UKIP and just trying to make the point that they are not a racist party and its not racist to want proper controls on immigration. If you think Farage will come out one day and make an Enoch Powell rivers of blood speech, you'll be a long time waiting and will get better odds down the bookies of Pigs flying. He won't have to. The rest of his party and supporters will do it for him. " That be a party with growing membership and growing public support then. Just read an article in the Guardian online, that UKIP soar to top of the polls despite Farage deciding not to stand in the Newark byelection. Results from Comres/ITV news poll on next months European elections.... UKIP...38% Labour...27% Conservative....18% Lib Dems....8% I rest my case. | |||
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"Difference is that those with banners saying "behead all non-believers" numbered in the 10's. No one took them seriously and quite rightly so, they were decried by all sides. Those who wanted Britain for the British only numbered in the thousands and speak to the basest levels of the psyche for those with a misguided sense of nationalism. As shown by this thread many take them seriously. So who should worry you more? I'm not a BNP or EDL supporter, never have been and never will be. I don't support groups like UAF either. I vote UKIP and just trying to make the point that they are not a racist party and its not racist to want proper controls on immigration. If you think Farage will come out one day and make an Enoch Powell rivers of blood speech, you'll be a long time waiting and will get better odds down the bookies of Pigs flying. He won't have to. The rest of his party and supporters will do it for him. That be a party with growing membership and growing public support then. Just read an article in the Guardian online, that UKIP soar to top of the polls despite Farage deciding not to stand in the Newark byelection. Results from Comres/ITV news poll on next months European elections.... UKIP...38% Labour...27% Conservative....18% Lib Dems....8% I rest my case." Incidentally the same poll (well a comres/ITV one I'm assuming the same one) saw 33% of the public state that they think UKiP is a racist party | |||
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"Difference is that those with banners saying "behead all non-believers" numbered in the 10's. No one took them seriously and quite rightly so, they were decried by all sides. Those who wanted Britain for the British only numbered in the thousands and speak to the basest levels of the psyche for those with a misguided sense of nationalism. As shown by this thread many take them seriously. So who should worry you more? I'm not a BNP or EDL supporter, never have been and never will be. I don't support groups like UAF either. I vote UKIP and just trying to make the point that they are not a racist party and its not racist to want proper controls on immigration. If you think Farage will come out one day and make an Enoch Powell rivers of blood speech, you'll be a long time waiting and will get better odds down the bookies of Pigs flying. He won't have to. The rest of his party and supporters will do it for him. That be a party with growing membership and growing public support then. Just read an article in the Guardian online, that UKIP soar to top of the polls despite Farage deciding not to stand in the Newark byelection. Results from Comres/ITV news poll on next months European elections.... UKIP...38% Labour...27% Conservative....18% Lib Dems....8% I rest my case." Erm the European elections - what is it they do again? | |||
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"Oh and the BNP had black and asian members - Rajinder Singh being the first. So that's that argument well and truly countered Yes Rajinder Singh, a self confessed racist sikh, who hated muslims and Islam because a muslim murdered his father (Is'nt google a wonderful tool). So a racist joins a racist party, he joined BNP to make a point. Can't really compare him with Amjad Bashir and Rusty Lee, who joined UKIP for totally different reasons. So now your your argument totally changes. I'll remind you what you said (twice): You conveniently dodged my question there i see, do the BNP allow black or asian people to join their party? You argued repeatedly that a fundamental difference between UKIP and the BNP was that the BNP didn;t allow black or asian members. They did. And he wasn;t the only one. So let's revisit your argument that UKIP aren't racist because they have black and Asian members because it really doesn't appear to stand up to scrutiny does it?" It does stand up to scrutiny when you look at the history of the parties and the reasons why people decided to join. BNP for many years barred any black or asian people joining the party, only changed this recently in the last couple of years. (because they stupidly thought it would gain them votes maybe, who knows?) UKIP on the other hand have always allowed black and asian people to join from day one if they wanted to. UKIP also ban any former BNP election candidates from joining UKIP, a clear statement that they want nothing to do with the BNP, what it stands for or its views or ideology. As _otlovefun42 already pointed out in a previous comment, if you are pro EU then are you not the one being narrow minded and racist? You are effectively endorcing the EU core belief that there should be free movement of people within europe, of which europe is mainly a white race continent, and as a result, people from the rest of the world have to be restricted in the numbers that we allow to come here because we have an open door immigration policy with the whole of the EU. At the end of the day you think UKIP is racist, nothing i say will change your mind. I don't think UKIP is racist and nothing you say will change my mind. | |||
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"Difference is that those with banners saying "behead all non-believers" numbered in the 10's. No one took them seriously and quite rightly so, they were decried by all sides. Those who wanted Britain for the British only numbered in the thousands and speak to the basest levels of the psyche for those with a misguided sense of nationalism. As shown by this thread many take them seriously. So who should worry you more? I'm not a BNP or EDL supporter, never have been and never will be. I don't support groups like UAF either. I vote UKIP and just trying to make the point that they are not a racist party and its not racist to want proper controls on immigration. If you think Farage will come out one day and make an Enoch Powell rivers of blood speech, you'll be a long time waiting and will get better odds down the bookies of Pigs flying. He won't have to. The rest of his party and supporters will do it for him. That be a party with growing membership and growing public support then. Just read an article in the Guardian online, that UKIP soar to top of the polls despite Farage deciding not to stand in the Newark byelection. Results from Comres/ITV news poll on next months European elections.... UKIP...38% Labour...27% Conservative....18% Lib Dems....8% I rest my case. Incidentally the same poll (well a comres/ITV one I'm assuming the same one) saw 33% of the public state that they think UKiP is a racist party" Yes the same poll that 33% believe UKIP is more honest than the other parties and 38% disagree. I'd love to know the results that think Labour, conservative or Lib dem are more honest than the other parties, Lmao. | |||
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I meant the awkward silence in response to my previous questions - what is it the European elections are for?
When you vote, who is it that you'll be voting for and what is it that you hope they'll do for you?"I assume you already know what the european elections are for but i'll play along with your game. They are for people to vote for MEP's to represent them in the European parliament. As i'll be voting UKIP i hope to get a UKIP MEP as a result for my area. What do i hope this will achieve? Well as i am anti EU and want Britain to leave, the more UKIP MEP's that get elected the better as far as i'm concerned. This will send a clear message to brussels that Britain is an anti EU nation, and also hopefully send a clear message to the numpties in westminster that they urgently need to give the British public a referendum on EU membership. What should the question for the referendum be? A simple "In" or "Out" option will do just fine. The more spanners UKIP throw in the works of the EU the better as far as i'm concerned. Also more UKIP MEP's means more EU money for UKIP as a party. This money will help to fight the election campaign in next years general election aswel. | |||
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"So another swindling conservative has resigned for cash for questions farage is going to try to win the seat .i hope he goes for it and shuts up the naysayers "I hope he goes for his seat and someone hits him with it | |||
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"Out of interest what do you think the main benefits of leaving the EU would be? Socially and economically?" Where do you want me to start? We can control our own borders once again, no more open door immigration to the whole of the EU. Would you rather have a skilled doctor coming here to work from India, or an unskilled Labourer from eastern europe? As a member of the EU the unskilled EU worker would get priority. The ability to make our own trade deals with countries like China, India, and Brazil, instead of eurocrats in Brussels making trade deal on our behalf. Take back control of our courts and judiciary system which Brussels is trying to over-rule and dictate to us what laws we must or must not have, who we can or cannot deport, etc. Take back contol of our own waters and fishing industries, instead of what the EU tells us what we can or cannot do. No to an EU imposed financial transaction tax on the city of London. An end to meeting EU imposed Green taxes on energy, less wind farms, more fracking and cheaper energy bills. A huge saving on our membership fee for being part of the EU (around £50 million a day). If you watched the televised election debates between Farage and Clegg all of this is old ground that UKIP has already stated its case for. There is tons more but its getting late and i can't be arsed to type it all out and need to go to bed. (got work early in the morning) | |||
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"So who can we vote for in the West Midlands?" There are 7 UKIP candidates for the west midlands area, as follows Jill Seymour Jim Carver Bill Etheridge Phil Henrick Michael Wrench Mike Green Lyndon Jones. | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see. " | |||
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"Difference is that those with banners saying "behead all non-believers" numbered in the 10's. No one took them seriously and quite rightly so, they were decried by all sides. Those who wanted Britain for the British only numbered in the thousands and speak to the basest levels of the psyche for those with a misguided sense of nationalism. As shown by this thread many take them seriously. So who should worry you more? I'm not a BNP or EDL supporter, never have been and never will be. I don't support groups like UAF either. I vote UKIP and just trying to make the point that they are not a racist party and its not racist to want proper controls on immigration. If you think Farage will come out one day and make an Enoch Powell rivers of blood speech, you'll be a long time waiting and will get better odds down the bookies of Pigs flying. He won't have to. The rest of his party and supporters will do it for him. That be a party with growing membership and growing public support then. Just read an article in the Guardian online, that UKIP soar to top of the polls despite Farage deciding not to stand in the Newark byelection. Results from Comres/ITV news poll on next months European elections.... UKIP...38% Labour...27% Conservative....18% Lib Dems....8% I rest my case. Incidentally the same poll (well a comres/ITV one I'm assuming the same one) saw 33% of the public state that they think UKiP is a racist party Yes the same poll that 33% believe UKIP is more honest than the other parties and 38% disagree. I'd love to know the results that think Labour, conservative or Lib dem are more honest than the other parties, Lmao. "To be fair, Hitler waa honest. Just because idiots think UKIP are honest does not mean that they are. | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see. "Where would Britain be without immigration? Empty. We are all immigrants or descended from immigrants | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see.
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Empty. We are all immigrants or descended from immigrants "Trouble is the country is not empty, its over crowded and there is a limit to how many people can live and work here. Social housing is creaking under the strain through sheer weight of numbers, waiting list for social housing are growing all the time. The private housing market is starting to boom again, its supply and demand, and currently there is not enough supply of housing to meet the demand which means house prices keep rising. Other public services like hospitals, GP's/doctors surgeries and schools are also just about ready to buckle under the strain because of the number of people here. Its a simple question of mathematics and logic, Britain is not the tardis, where you can step inside and just magic more space, more school places, more houses, etc out of thin air. | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see.
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Trouble is the country is not empty, its over crowded and there is a limit to how many people can live and work here. Social housing is creaking under the strain through sheer weight of numbers, waiting list for social housing are growing all the time. The private housing market is starting to boom again, its supply and demand, and currently there is not enough supply of housing to meet the demand which means house prices keep rising. Other public services like hospitals, GP's/doctors surgeries and schools are also just about ready to buckle under the strain because of the number of people here. Its a simple question of mathematics and logic, Britain is not the tardis, where you can step inside and just magic more space, more school places, more houses, etc out of thin air. "Well said. | |||
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs." Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. | |||
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs. Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. " How many immigrants do you actually think are in this country? It is a very small proportion. Do you mind Americans or Australians coming in to work? | |||
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"We need FUNDAMENTAL change to the WHOLE system of government in this country, but it'll never happen. The Swiss have the right idea, with decisions made and ratified BY the people from local level right up to decisions of national importance. Look it up...you might be surprised that government CAN work without greedy MPs and a system that promotes self-interest, greed and lies." You are very probably right. But voting for right wing closet racists is not the way to achieve that. | |||
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs. Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. How many immigrants do you actually think are in this country? It is a very small proportion. Do you mind Americans or Australians coming in to work?" No i don't mind Australians or Americans coming here to work. In fact i'd welcome a more wide range of immigrants from all over the world coming here to work, India, Pakistan, China, Japan, all would be welcome in a fair and balanced immigration system. We need a immigration system much like the australians have, which is a points based system, to attract the quality highly skilled immigrants we need. Trouble is as members of the EU we cannot have a fair and balanced system. We have to abide by EU rules that state free movement of people within europe. This means an open door to the whole of the EU, which unfairly limits immigrants coming here from other parts of the world. | |||
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs. Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. How many immigrants do you actually think are in this country? It is a very small proportion. Do you mind Americans or Australians coming in to work? No i don't mind Australians or Americans coming here to work. In fact i'd welcome a more wide range of immigrants from all over the world coming here to work, India, Pakistan, China, Japan, all would be welcome in a fair and balanced immigration system. We need a immigration system much like the australians have, which is a points based system, to attract the quality highly skilled immigrants we need. Trouble is as members of the EU we cannot have a fair and balanced system. We have to abide by EU rules that state free movement of people within europe. This means an open door to the whole of the EU, which unfairly limits immigrants coming here from other parts of the world. " An awful lot of brits move to the EU. Should they be stopped? | |||
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs. Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. How many immigrants do you actually think are in this country? It is a very small proportion. Do you mind Americans or Australians coming in to work?" Don't go confusing things with your pesky facts. This thread is about unsubstantiated rhetoric!
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"We need FUNDAMENTAL change to the WHOLE system of government in this country, but it'll never happen. The Swiss have the right idea, with decisions made and ratified BY the people from local level right up to decisions of national importance. Look it up...you might be surprised that government CAN work without greedy MPs and a system that promotes self-interest, greed and lies." It can and will happen once people realise there are other options and that ultimately WE are in charge. | |||
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs. Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. How many immigrants do you actually think are in this country? It is a very small proportion. Do you mind Americans or Australians coming in to work? Don't go confusing things with your pesky facts. This thread is about unsubstantiated rhetoric!
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs. Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. How many immigrants do you actually think are in this country? It is a very small proportion. Do you mind Americans or Australians coming in to work? No i don't mind Australians or Americans coming here to work. In fact i'd welcome a more wide range of immigrants from all over the world coming here to work, India, Pakistan, China, Japan, all would be welcome in a fair and balanced immigration system. We need a immigration system much like the australians have, which is a points based system, to attract the quality highly skilled immigrants we need. Trouble is as members of the EU we cannot have a fair and balanced system. We have to abide by EU rules that state free movement of people within europe. This means an open door to the whole of the EU, which unfairly limits immigrants coming here from other parts of the world. An awful lot of brits move to the EU. Should they be stopped?" And ironically many do little to integrate with the local community or even learn tge language... shocking eh. And the UK will be really fucked if they come back which could happen if we leave the EU as many would have no right to live there | |||
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"Social housing is struggling because of right to buy decimating the number of council houses and governments forcing the housing market down the route of buy or nothing. If renting was taken seriously in the UK and decent tenancy arrangements created as opposed to the dreadful short assured tenancy then there would be more social housing. Don't blame foreigners, blame greed and a short sighted obsession with home ownership at all costs. Housing is only one part of it. GP's/doctors surgeries are struggling to keep up with demand for their time. Most people can now expect to wait a week or more to get an appointment with their doctor. I fear the education of youth is also suffering because classroom numbers in schools are getting bigger. Any teacher will tell you the bigger the number of pupils in a class the harder it is to provide quality teaching for them. Smaller classroom numbers equal better quality teaching, its basic common sense. How many immigrants do you actually think are in this country? It is a very small proportion. Do you mind Americans or Australians coming in to work? Don't go confusing things with your pesky facts. This thread is about unsubstantiated rhetoric!
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At a time when youth unemployment here is at a record high, such a shame that many of those young people can't get jobs or serve appreticeships and learn on the job training.
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"I have read the posts and arguments. Those for and against and time after time I wanted to contribute and argue my belief. The leader of my local ukip party is a disgraced former tory councillor who lives abroad full time. The local ukip activists in my area are also members of the bnp and nf affiliated groups. The ukip election agent has previously posted on fb that he was sitting in his deck chair drinking beer, eating a bacon sandwich and waving a union flag. .. aren't pakki funerals great. Tonight I take my face pics and make them private because of a genuine fear of what I have said about them .... on a plus note ukip have a free post address and so far this week I have sent them 100 envelopes stuffed with bits of their flyer, 12 bricks and tomorrow I am sending them a rusty wheelbarrow "you are right in all you say, and I love your use of their post free addy! However at this point in time I believe they are the the most lightly if obnoxious way to force the established parties to get their houses in order and start governing in the interests of the people of the UK rather than special interest groups that buy their votes. | |||
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"I have read the posts and arguments. Those for and against and time after time I wanted to contribute and argue my belief. The leader of my local ukip party is a disgraced former tory councillor who lives abroad full time. The local ukip activists in my area are also members of the bnp and nf affiliated groups. The ukip election agent has previously posted on fb that he was sitting in his deck chair drinking beer, eating a bacon sandwich and waving a union flag. .. aren't pakki funerals great. Tonight I take my face pics and make them private because of a genuine fear of what I have said about them .... on a plus note ukip have a free post address and so far this week I have sent them 100 envelopes stuffed with bits of their flyer, 12 bricks and tomorrow I am sending them a rusty wheelbarrow "Jeez, that must have cost you a fair few quid down the stationary shop and builders merchant. | |||
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"I have read the posts and arguments. Those for and against and time after time I wanted to contribute and argue my belief. The leader of my local ukip party is a disgraced former tory councillor who lives abroad full time. The local ukip activists in my area are also members of the bnp and nf affiliated groups. The ukip election agent has previously posted on fb that he was sitting in his deck chair drinking beer, eating a bacon sandwich and waving a union flag. .. aren't pakki funerals great. Tonight I take my face pics and make them private because of a genuine fear of what I have said about them .... on a plus note ukip have a free post address and so far this week I have sent them 100 envelopes stuffed with bits of their flyer, 12 bricks and tomorrow I am sending them a rusty wheelbarrow
Jeez, that must have cost you a fair few quid down the stationary shop and builders merchant. "fortunately the bricks and Barrow were mine so all ir has cost me has been brown paper. My real challenge now is a washing machine offered by a neighbour. I need to speak to the post master tomorrow to see if I can donate it to ukip | |||
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"I have read the posts and arguments. Those for and against and time after time I wanted to contribute and argue my belief. The leader of my local ukip party is a disgraced former tory councillor who lives abroad full time. The local ukip activists in my area are also members of the bnp and nf affiliated groups. The ukip election agent has previously posted on fb that he was sitting in his deck chair drinking beer, eating a bacon sandwich and waving a union flag. .. aren't pakki funerals great. Tonight I take my face pics and make them private because of a genuine fear of what I have said about them .... on a plus note ukip have a free post address and so far this week I have sent them 100 envelopes stuffed with bits of their flyer, 12 bricks and tomorrow I am sending them a rusty wheelbarrow
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fortunately the bricks and Barrow were mine so all ir has cost me has been brown paper. My real challenge now is a washing machine offered by a neighbour. I need to speak to the post master tomorrow to see if I can donate it to ukip "They'll probably just trade it in for scrap metal value and put the money gained in the pot to use for next years general election campaign. | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election!" Who in their right mind would want a Labour Government. The country is just recovering from Labour's last mess. | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election! Who in their right mind would want a Labour Government. The country is just recovering from Labour's last mess." Not sure who Id vote for, but they left power with the country in growth, which the Cons subsequently reversed. Ukip are no different to the other parties, greedy for any financial allowance they can bag, whilst doing next to no work for the people - their attendance is so low, it is insulting that our money gets fed to them. And the financial global mess was global, not a local problem, so trying to blame the contemporary incumbent would appear to be overlooking the elephant in the room. | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see. " I thought someone would have answered this by now. | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see. I thought someone would have answered this by now." It may or may not be racist. But it is wrong. | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see. I thought someone would have answered this by now. It may or may not be racist. But it is wrong." Oh well. I wont wait any longer. Actually I don't think it is wrong, and no doubt if either quote was from UKIP or a UKIP member there would be plenty screaming racism from the rafters. The first quote was from a report jointly signed by Lord Soames (Tory) and Frank Field (Labour) The second one was from Evette Cooper, Labour shadow home secretary and wife of Ed Balls. So surely if UKIP are all racists for wanting immigration control, the same must apply to the 3 above. | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election!" The present government should have realised the problem with Europe and got out of it, instead they take from our poor, disabled & elderly, give to the asylum seekers, immigrants & especially the rich, clearly to line thier own pockets,, and look after their own, complete pricks who have no connection to the real world that 95% of us have to live in, Labour put us into debt, by allowing any tom, dick or Muhammad into the country to claim our benefits, our jobs, our homes, our hospital beds & our school places, which hold our own children back immensely, because the teachers spend 2/3rds of the lesson trying to interpret what good morning class means, let's have UKIP ,,,shut the gates, man the borders, AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM EUROPE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, Enoch Powell ,,,,, what a great man he was, should have been nicknamed Nostradamus ,,,,,, | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election! The present government should have realised the problem with Europe and got out of it, instead they take from our poor, disabled & elderly, give to the asylum seekers, immigrants & especially the rich, clearly to line thier own pockets,, and look after their own, complete pricks who have no connection to the real world that 95% of us have to live in, Labour put us into debt, by allowing any tom, dick or Muhammad into the country to claim our benefits, our jobs, our homes, our hospital beds & our school places, which hold our own children back immensely, because the teachers spend 2/3rds of the lesson trying to interpret what good morning class means, let's have UKIP ,,,shut the gates, man the borders, AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM EUROPE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, Enoch Powell ,,,,, what a great man he was, should have been nicknamed Nostradamus ,,,,,, " Well Said. | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election! The present government should have realised the problem with Europe and got out of it, instead they take from our poor, disabled & elderly, give to the asylum seekers, immigrants & especially the rich, clearly to line thier own pockets,, and look after their own, complete pricks who have no connection to the real world that 95% of us have to live in, Labour put us into debt, by allowing any tom, dick or Muhammad into the country to claim our benefits, our jobs, our homes, our hospital beds & our school places, which hold our own children back immensely, because the teachers spend 2/3rds of the lesson trying to interpret what good morning class means, let's have UKIP ,,,shut the gates, man the borders, AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM EUROPE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, Enoch Powell ,,,,, what a great man he was, should have been nicknamed Nostradamus ,,,,,, " Oh my. Really? You are not so bright are you? | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election! The present government should have realised the problem with Europe and got out of it, instead they take from our poor, disabled & elderly, give to the asylum seekers, immigrants & especially the rich, clearly to line thier own pockets,, and look after their own, complete pricks who have no connection to the real world that 95% of us have to live in, Labour put us into debt, by allowing any tom, dick or Muhammad into the country to claim our benefits, our jobs, our homes, our hospital beds & our school places, which hold our own children back immensely, because the teachers spend 2/3rds of the lesson trying to interpret what good morning class means, let's have UKIP ,,,shut the gates, man the borders, AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM EUROPE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, Enoch Powell ,,,,, what a great man he was, should have been nicknamed Nostradamus ,,,,,, " Spot on...more common sense. | |||
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"Let's be honest posts applauding enoch powell probably don't do much for the 'UKIP aren't racists' argument..." If you ever read the whole speech Enoch made in Birmingham and understood it the context in which it was delivered, you would realise that there wasn't a racist bone in his body. Enoch only warned against the consequences of mass immigration and the madness of foisting thousands of immigrants into communities that were not ready and without consultation, and he never actually uttered the words "rivers of blood" Even Michael Foot said to a journalist at the time "that it was tragic that this outstanding personality had been widely misunderstood as predicting actual bloodshed in Britain, when in fact he had used the Aeneid quotation merely to communicate his own sense of foreboding" | |||
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"Let's be honest posts applauding enoch powell probably don't do much for the 'UKIP aren't racists' argument... If you ever read the whole speech Enoch made in Birmingham and understood it the context in which it was delivered, you would realise that there wasn't a racist bone in his body. Enoch only warned against the consequences of mass immigration and the madness of foisting thousands of immigrants into communities that were not ready and without consultation, and he never actually uttered the words "rivers of blood" Even Michael Foot said to a journalist at the time "that it was tragic that this outstanding personality had been widely misunderstood as predicting actual bloodshed in Britain, when in fact he had used the Aeneid quotation merely to communicate his own sense of foreboding"" Unfortunately, most of the people who quote or venerate him don't know that either. | |||
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"I wish UKIP every success. They're the only hope Labour has of winning the next election! The present government should have realised the problem with Europe and got out of it, instead they take from our poor, disabled & elderly, give to the asylum seekers, immigrants & especially the rich, clearly to line thier own pockets,, and look after their own, complete pricks who have no connection to the real world that 95% of us have to live in, Labour put us into debt, by allowing any tom, dick or Muhammad into the country to claim our benefits, our jobs, our homes, our hospital beds & our school places, which hold our own children back immensely, because the teachers spend 2/3rds of the lesson trying to interpret what good morning class means, let's have UKIP ,,,shut the gates, man the borders, AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM EUROPE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, Enoch Powell ,,,,, what a great man he was, should have been nicknamed Nostradamus ,,,,,, Oh my. Really? You are not so bright are you?" Actually I am very bright, my grand parents fought for this country, & worked all their lives, for what? To have their taxes handed out to people that offer nothing or have contributed nothing to our country or resources, then when they are too old, frail & Ill to care for them selves & have to go to a residential home, the government won't pay for them to be there, instead they use thier life savings or sell their homes to pay for their own care, lighten up for gods sake, remember this,,,,,,,,, Charity should begin at home, | |||
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"Let's be honest posts applauding enoch powell probably don't do much for the 'UKIP aren't racists' argument... If you ever read the whole speech Enoch made in Birmingham and understood it the context in which it was delivered, you would realise that there wasn't a racist bone in his body. Enoch only warned against the consequences of mass immigration and the madness of foisting thousands of immigrants into communities that were not ready and without consultation, and he never actually uttered the words "rivers of blood" Even Michael Foot said to a journalist at the time "that it was tragic that this outstanding personality had been widely misunderstood as predicting actual bloodshed in Britain, when in fact he had used the Aeneid quotation merely to communicate his own sense of foreboding" Unfortunately, most of the people who quote or venerate him don't know that either. " However it was said or meant, he foresaw the beginning of the end of the uk being our own, | |||
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"Is this racist? We have called for action to reduce it (immigration). But, though many of our recommendations have been accepted, the campaign has always been an uphill struggle.” and this? action is needed to tackle the unfair impact of immigration” and that “stronger controls are needed”. Let's see. I thought someone would have answered this by now. It may or may not be racist. But it is wrong. Oh well. I wont wait any longer. Actually I don't think it is wrong, and no doubt if either quote was from UKIP or a UKIP member there would be plenty screaming racism from the rafters. The first quote was from a report jointly signed by Lord Soames (Tory) and Frank Field (Labour) The second one was from Evette Cooper, Labour shadow home secretary and wife of Ed Balls. So surely if UKIP are all racists for wanting immigration control, the same must apply to the 3 above."
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. " spot on! And you saved me a lot of typing. The main point of immigration control is the future though. With the amount of people that have come into this country and often brought their extended family, what will the population of this tiny island be in 20 years time? Politicians won't consider this, they're only cocerned with their term in power . Overcrowding, the end of yhe NHS an education system not fit for purpose, massive congestion and pollution, housing crisis, the once green and pleasant land being concreted over, probably a rise in crime and definitely a lower standard of living for all. I don't blame anyone for coming to this country to make a better life for themselves but I'm damn sure we should do everything we can to stop them or our children's children will be forced to do the same. | |||
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"I have read the posts and arguments. Those for and against and time after time I wanted to contribute and argue my belief. The leader of my local ukip party is a disgraced former tory councillor who lives abroad full time. The local ukip activists in my area are also members of the bnp and nf affiliated groups. The ukip election agent has previously posted on fb that he was sitting in his deck chair drinking beer, eating a bacon sandwich and waving a union flag. .. aren't pakki funerals great. Tonight I take my face pics and make them private because of a genuine fear of what I have said about them .... on a plus note ukip have a free post address and so far this week I have sent them 100 envelopes stuffed with bits of their flyer, 12 bricks and tomorrow I am sending them a rusty wheelbarrow
Jeez, that must have cost you a fair few quid down the stationary shop and builders merchant.
fortunately the bricks and Barrow were mine so all ir has cost me has been brown paper. My real challenge now is a washing machine offered by a neighbour. I need to speak to the post master tomorrow to see if I can donate it to ukip "I have just been back to the post office with some old law books and a frozen lamb joint. Apparently the maximum weight I can send is 20kgs, so I think today I will be clearing out my cellar | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. spot on! And you saved me a lot of typing. The main point of immigration control is the future though. With the amount of people that have come into this country and often brought their extended family, what will the population of this tiny island be in 20 years time? Politicians won't consider this, they're only cocerned with their term in power . Overcrowding, the end of yhe NHS an education system not fit for purpose, massive congestion and pollution, housing crisis, the once green and pleasant land being concreted over, probably a rise in crime and definitely a lower standard of living for all. I don't blame anyone for coming to this country to make a better life for themselves but I'm damn sure we should do everything we can to stop them or our children's children will be forced to do the same. " How do you think the NHS and our schools grew to their current capacity? Because the number of tax paying people in the country paid for it. So it suggests that if people move here and work as the vast majority do, they will pay for their share of healthcare and education. Our infrastructure was not given to us as a present by a nice man and therefore we cannot expand it to suit needs. There are a far far lower percentage of immigrants getting support from the state than us native Germano/dutch or Scandinavian immigrants. Therefore the current crop of immigrants are doing more to pay their way than we are. | |||
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"I have read the posts and arguments. Those for and against and time after time I wanted to contribute and argue my belief. The leader of my local ukip party is a disgraced former tory councillor who lives abroad full time. The local ukip activists in my area are also members of the bnp and nf affiliated groups. The ukip election agent has previously posted on fb that he was sitting in his deck chair drinking beer, eating a bacon sandwich and waving a union flag. .. aren't pakki funerals great. Tonight I take my face pics and make them private because of a genuine fear of what I have said about them .... on a plus note ukip have a free post address and so far this week I have sent them 100 envelopes stuffed with bits of their flyer, 12 bricks and tomorrow I am sending them a rusty wheelbarrow
Jeez, that must have cost you a fair few quid down the stationary shop and builders merchant.
fortunately the bricks and Barrow were mine so all ir has cost me has been brown paper. My real challenge now is a washing machine offered by a neighbour. I need to speak to the post master tomorrow to see if I can donate it to ukip
I have just been back to the post office with some old law books and a frozen lamb joint. Apparently the maximum weight I can send is 20kgs, so I think today I will be clearing out my cellar "You will soon have to be added to the list of their contributors!
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"We need FUNDAMENTAL change to the WHOLE system of government in this country, but it'll never happen. The Swiss have the right idea, with decisions made and ratified BY the people from local level right up to decisions of national importance. Look it up...you might be surprised that government CAN work without greedy MPs and a system that promotes self-interest, greed and lies. You are very probably right. But voting for right wing closet racists is not the way to achieve that. " The problem is that it can ONLY be changed peacefully from within, or changed externally by force. We don't need revolution, we need to find a man or woman of principle, someone with the necessary qualities to REMAIN principled when the opportunity for personal gain is put in front of them (something MPs of recent history have spectacularly failed to do). A person who can intelligently influence and gather support for the necessary change required, whilst at the same time fighting off the considerable challenges that will come from within current government who can see that if peaceful and fundamental change does begin to happen that the writing will be on the wall for their cosseted fraudulent existence that WE pick the tab up for. Whether Nigel Farrage is that man I do not know, he still has a lot to prove, but there are no others in the frame with a growing body of support behind them to DRIVE change to the extent that it is so badly required. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. spot on! And you saved me a lot of typing. The main point of immigration control is the future though. With the amount of people that have come into this country and often brought their extended family, what will the population of this tiny island be in 20 years time? Politicians won't consider this, they're only cocerned with their term in power . Overcrowding, the end of yhe NHS an education system not fit for purpose, massive congestion and pollution, housing crisis, the once green and pleasant land being concreted over, probably a rise in crime and definitely a lower standard of living for all. I don't blame anyone for coming to this country to make a better life for themselves but I'm damn sure we should do everything we can to stop them or our children's children will be forced to do the same. How do you think the NHS and our schools grew to their current capacity? Because the number of tax paying people in the country paid for it. So it suggests that if people move here and work as the vast majority do, they will pay for their share of healthcare and education. Our infrastructure was not given to us as a present by a nice man and therefore we cannot expand it to suit needs. There are a far far lower percentage of immigrants getting support from the state than us native Germano/dutch or Scandinavian immigrants. Therefore the current crop of immigrants are doing more to pay their way than we are." Many British people would like to work but they just simply cannot find a job! Have you not seen the news stories (not just in the daily mail but in newspapers and television news channels accross the board) that British jobs are being advertised in foreign countries like Poland and Romania, before they are advertised here in Britan. In many cases the jobs are never advertised here in Britain. Do you think its fair that foreigners get these jobs ahead of British people who want to find a job and work? At least have a fair and level playing field where the jobs are available to all. Laws need to be changed to stop these employment agencies advertising jobs in foreign countries and should advertise them here first. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. spot on! And you saved me a lot of typing. The main point of immigration control is the future though. With the amount of people that have come into this country and often brought their extended family, what will the population of this tiny island be in 20 years time? Politicians won't consider this, they're only cocerned with their term in power . Overcrowding, the end of yhe NHS an education system not fit for purpose, massive congestion and pollution, housing crisis, the once green and pleasant land being concreted over, probably a rise in crime and definitely a lower standard of living for all. I don't blame anyone for coming to this country to make a better life for themselves but I'm damn sure we should do everything we can to stop them or our children's children will be forced to do the same. How do you think the NHS and our schools grew to their current capacity? Because the number of tax paying people in the country paid for it. So it suggests that if people move here and work as the vast majority do, they will pay for their share of healthcare and education. Our infrastructure was not given to us as a present by a nice man and therefore we cannot expand it to suit needs. There are a far far lower percentage of immigrants getting support from the state than us native Germano/dutch or Scandinavian immigrants. Therefore the current crop of immigrants are doing more to pay their way than we are. Many British people would like to work but they just simply cannot find a job! Have you not seen the news stories (not just in the daily mail but in newspapers and television news channels accross the board) that British jobs are being advertised in foreign countries like Poland and Romania, before they are advertised here in Britan. In many cases the jobs are never advertised here in Britain. Do you think its fair that foreigners get these jobs ahead of British people who want to find a job and work? At least have a fair and level playing field where the jobs are available to all. Laws need to be changed to stop these employment agencies advertising jobs in foreign countries and should advertise them here first. " It would be more accurate to state that these job types are no longer advertised here because people did not apply and fill the vaciancies. That is different entirely to what you said. Employers cannot wait forever for a change in attitude of people here. They need employees now. | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. spot on! And you saved me a lot of typing. The main point of immigration control is the future though. With the amount of people that have come into this country and often brought their extended family, what will the population of this tiny island be in 20 years time? Politicians won't consider this, they're only cocerned with their term in power . Overcrowding, the end of yhe NHS an education system not fit for purpose, massive congestion and pollution, housing crisis, the once green and pleasant land being concreted over, probably a rise in crime and definitely a lower standard of living for all. I don't blame anyone for coming to this country to make a better life for themselves but I'm damn sure we should do everything we can to stop them or our children's children will be forced to do the same. How do you think the NHS and our schools grew to their current capacity? Because the number of tax paying people in the country paid for it. So it suggests that if people move here and work as the vast majority do, they will pay for their share of healthcare and education. Our infrastructure was not given to us as a present by a nice man and therefore we cannot expand it to suit needs. There are a far far lower percentage of immigrants getting support from the state than us native Germano/dutch or Scandinavian immigrants. Therefore the current crop of immigrants are doing more to pay their way than we are." I can tell you from personal experience that absolutely cannot be true. They would have to be paying an enormous amount of tax to cover what they have and will continue to cost this country. There is an awful lot the general public are unaware of and as one example. When one foreign national can cost the country thousands of pounds in a two week period then we are certainly not gaining anything. We need change or we are stuck with the same old same old forever. Politicians , the establishment and the media are shitting themselves because UKIP have huge support. Their popularity has already had a major effect on Labour and the Tories who both claim to want to control immigration. It's bad enough coming from the Tories who have done diddly squat so far but how labour can even have the audacity to broach the subject is beyond me. On the one hand they're admitting they made a mistake while still screaming racist as they've done for years at anyone raising a concern that we're becoming a world's hostel. | |||
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" It would be more accurate to state that these job types are no longer advertised here because people did not apply and fill the vaciancies. That is different entirely to what you said. Employers cannot wait forever for a change in attitude of people here. They need employees now. " That is very true, but how can anyone justify that while there are around a million 18-24 year olds on the dole Britain should be importing cheap Labour? What is the problem? is it that the benefit system or in some cases the bank of mum and dad keeps them at a comfort level that they have got used to? Could it be that the British kids are so uneducated when compared to their east European rivals that they are unemployable? Or, as I think is closer to the truth for many, that they have ideas well above their ability level. It's a few years ago now but I can remember advertising for car valeters in local press and in job centres and I always managed to find someone suitable, but the absolute dross I had to sift through to get there was astounding. Some kid with a D in art and a Z- in everything else who could barely string 3 words together would tell me that "I'm only here because I had to come, and I would rather wait until a better job comes along FFS what do they want? fast track in to brain surgery?
I could go on and on, but when you say attitudes need to change you are only half right. A change in attitudes needs to be forced upon many and if that means a complete overhaul of the benefit sytem then so be it.
Which brings me to your earlier point about immigrants contributing through the tax system. On the basic point you are right, but (and it is a very big BUT) immigrants coming in to do minimum wage jobs only pay a very small amount in tax and NI. For example the current minimum wage is £6.31 per hour which on a 40 hour week would be £13,125 pa. Tax and NI on that would be £1245 but basic job seekers allowance is just under £3000 pa so every immigrant in a minimum wage job that could be done by someone on the dole is costing around £1700. That is before any child allowance they would be allowed to claim if they had kids and the cost of education and healthcare.
Something needs to change and quickly or one day (as an ex Labour minister once joked) the money will really run out.
Britain needs to get out of the EU as soon as possible then with luck it will start a domino effect. Finland is becoming more and more euro sceptic as is Holland and Denmark and even the people (but not the politicians yet) of France and Germany are starting to think about the wisdom of it.
Is Farage the man to change it? I really don't know, but one thing is for certain. He will be the pain in the arse that the Lib/Lab/Con and the bandits in Brussels need. Will I vote UKIP? No, not because I don't want to but because I can't. I (and my German Mrs and all her immediate family) will be voting for the AFD who will for the first time ever return euro sceptic MEP's from Germany.
Barosso, Schultz, and Van Rumpoy, be afraid, be VERY afraid.
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. spot on! And you saved me a lot of typing. The main point of immigration control is the future though. With the amount of people that have come into this country and often brought their extended family, what will the population of this tiny island be in 20 years time? Politicians won't consider this, they're only cocerned with their term in power . Overcrowding, the end of yhe NHS an education system not fit for purpose, massive congestion and pollution, housing crisis, the once green and pleasant land being concreted over, probably a rise in crime and definitely a lower standard of living for all. I don't blame anyone for coming to this country to make a better life for themselves but I'm damn sure we should do everything we can to stop them or our children's children will be forced to do the same. How do you think the NHS and our schools grew to their current capacity? Because the number of tax paying people in the country paid for it. So it suggests that if people move here and work as the vast majority do, they will pay for their share of healthcare and education. Our infrastructure was not given to us as a present by a nice man and therefore we cannot expand it to suit needs. There are a far far lower percentage of immigrants getting support from the state than us native Germano/dutch or Scandinavian immigrants. Therefore the current crop of immigrants are doing more to pay their way than we are. I can tell you from personal experience that absolutely cannot be true. They would have to be paying an enormous amount of tax to cover what they have and will continue to cost this country. There is an awful lot the general public are unaware of and as one example. When one foreign national can cost the country thousands of pounds in a two week period then we are certainly not gaining anything. We need change or we are stuck with the same old same old forever. Politicians , the establishment and the media are shitting themselves because UKIP have huge support. Their popularity has already had a major effect on Labour and the Tories who both claim to want to control immigration. It's bad enough coming from the Tories who have done diddly squat so far but how labour can even have the audacity to broach the subject is beyond me. On the one hand they're admitting they made a mistake while still screaming racist as they've done for years at anyone raising a concern that we're becoming a world's hostel." That is just biased opinion masquerading as fact with nothing behind it. Why? | |||
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"The thought of UKIP gaining any sort of power should keep anyone who has half a brain awake at night. Not least people like me who would see a regression to the dark ages in attitudes towards those with different lifestyles if they gained a foothold. What nonsense. You are basing that argument on what exactly? The party is inherently rascist and generally phobic about anything not white/British and naturally draws those with that outlook to them. (Hence why they've had to ditch a few recently) The fact that they ditched them surely shoots down your own argument. Securing borders and racism are two completely different things. In fact it could be argued that UKIP's immigration policy is actually LESS RACIST that the other 3 party's. All three want open door immigration from the predominantly white EU. but to put heavy restrictions on the rest of the world including Africa and Asia. UKIP's policy is based on merit and need, not where they come from. It's because of the bigoted attitude from the left that by tagging anyone who mentions immigration as a racist, Britain has never had a sensible open debate on the subject. People who still think we are some sort of world power who should still be ruling half the world, instead of a tiny island in the north sea. Again nonsense, just another left wing myth used to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. European law has a negligible effect on the day to day lives of most people. Not if you are a tax payer, and tell that to the victims of crimes committed by criminals we cannot deport. You'd only notice when/if we leave the EU and the price for our goods go up. And what goods exactly would they be? You would probably find that many things would come down in price once freed from EU regulations, restrictions, and corruption. Immigration isn't the big problem it's made out to be. UKIPers think that if they closed the borders then all of a sudden we'd have 100% employment of Brits. Not at all. Most UKIPers are well aware that 100% employment is almost an impossible dream, but that doesn't make immigration any less of an issue. Putting the cost of benefits to one side for a moment. If nothing else the NHS and education system are creaking under the strain now, god knows how either will cope with another few years of six figure immigration. Nope. Immigrants started doing the shit jobs because they were able to. The wages were low to start with and no-one wanted to make hotel beds for that when the dole paid more. Now you are getting closer to the truth. Too many are happy for immigrants to do low paid jobs so they can sit on their arses and live on benefits, and let's face it there is a sizeable rump leaving school these days who too stupid/lazy or both to even do those jobs. The whole of our political system needs an enema. On that we agree. But UKIP is already full of shit so would be no use. They are not perfect but will do for now Greens for me from now on. You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in Brighton. spot on! And you saved me a lot of typing. The main point of immigration control is the future though. With the amount of people that have come into this country and often brought their extended family, what will the population of this tiny island be in 20 years time? Politicians won't consider this, they're only cocerned with their term in power . Overcrowding, the end of yhe NHS an education system not fit for purpose, massive congestion and pollution, housing crisis, the once green and pleasant land being concreted over, probably a rise in crime and definitely a lower standard of living for all. I don't blame anyone for coming to this country to make a better life for themselves but I'm damn sure we should do everything we can to stop them or our children's children will be forced to do the same. How do you think the NHS and our schools grew to their current capacity? Because the number of tax paying people in the country paid for it. So it suggests that if people move here and work as the vast majority do, they will pay for their share of healthcare and education. Our infrastructure was not given to us as a present by a nice man and therefore we cannot expand it to suit needs. There are a far far lower percentage of immigrants getting support from the state than us native Germano/dutch or Scandinavian immigrants. Therefore the current crop of immigrants are doing more to pay their way than we are. I can tell you from personal experience that absolutely cannot be true. They would have to be paying an enormous amount of tax to cover what they have and will continue to cost this country. There is an awful lot the general public are unaware of and as one example. When one foreign national can cost the country thousands of pounds in a two week period then we are certainly not gaining anything. We need change or we are stuck with the same old same old forever. Politicians , the establishment and the media are shitting themselves because UKIP have huge support. Their popularity has already had a major effect on Labour and the Tories who both claim to want to control immigration. It's bad enough coming from the Tories who have done diddly squat so far but how labour can even have the audacity to broach the subject is beyond me. On the one hand they're admitting they made a mistake while still screaming racist as they've done for years at anyone raising a concern that we're becoming a world's hostel. That is just biased opinion masquerading as fact with nothing behind it. Why?" Really? Which bit? | |||
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"UKIP offer simple solutions to very complex problems. Simple politics for simple people. Aside from nice man Nigel Farage their leading luminaries are Neil and Christine Hamilton. The message here is for simple people. You know there is a problem, but you really don't want to be bothered with the details, you just want someone to speak for you in the same language that you think. This is UKIP... Simple politics for simple people." Do you honestly think the voters for other parties are more discerning? I'm not partisan, I support none of the above. People who support all parties parrot messages (including on here at times) that I've heard politicians say in sound bites time and time again, clearly attrition works. 'It was a global financial crisis' 'Clearing up the mess that other parties left behind' 'It's the bankers fault' and for UKIP of course 'Don't want to be controlled by bureaucrats in Brussels' It really comes across as quite arrogant to infer supporters of one party are simpletons. | |||
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"UKIP offer simple solutions to very complex problems. Simple politics for simple people. Aside from nice man Nigel Farage their leading luminaries are Neil and Christine Hamilton. The message here is for simple people. You know there is a problem, but you really don't want to be bothered with the details, you just want someone to speak for you in the same language that you think. This is UKIP... Simple politics for simple people." So vote Labour and we will freeze your heating bills, until you freeze. Vote Labour and we will put a ceiling on your rent, until you haven't got one at all. Vote Labour and we will give you anything you want, until the money runs out AGAIN! is complicated? What next? free blowjobs on the NHS? So vote Lib Dem who will promise to..... er..... well..... break every promise is complex? Or vote Tory. Pretty much ditto the Lib Dems. I suppose everyone could vote Green and turn the country into a bigger version of Brighton
Of course Farage keeps it simple but above all wanting to get out of a criminal club that is rotten to the core doesn't need to be complicated.
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"UKIP offer simple solutions to very complex problems. Simple politics for simple people. Aside from nice man Nigel Farage their leading luminaries are Neil and Christine Hamilton. The message here is for simple people. You know there is a problem, but you really don't want to be bothered with the details, you just want someone to speak for you in the same language that you think. This is UKIP... Simple politics for simple people. So vote Labour and we will freeze your heating bills, until you freeze. Vote Labour and we will put a ceiling on your rent, until you haven't got one at all. Vote Labour and we will give you anything you want, until the money runs out AGAIN! is complicated? What next? free blowjobs on the NHS? So vote Lib Dem who will promise to..... er..... well..... break every promise is complex? Or vote Tory. Pretty much ditto the Lib Dems. I suppose everyone could vote Green and turn the country into a bigger version of Brighton
Of course Farage keeps it simple but above all wanting to get out of a criminal club that is rotten to the core doesn't need to be complicated.
EU Delende Este. That's Latin BTW (for the simple folks)"Vote UKIP and get a labour government | |||
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"UKIP offer simple solutions to very complex problems. Simple politics for simple people. Aside from nice man Nigel Farage their leading luminaries are Neil and Christine Hamilton. The message here is for simple people. You know there is a problem, but you really don't want to be bothered with the details, you just want someone to speak for you in the same language that you think. This is UKIP... Simple politics for simple people. So vote Labour and we will freeze your heating bills, until you freeze. Vote Labour and we will put a ceiling on your rent, until you haven't got one at all. Vote Labour and we will give you anything you want, until the money runs out AGAIN! is complicated? What next? free blowjobs on the NHS? So vote Lib Dem who will promise to..... er..... well..... break every promise is complex? Or vote Tory. Pretty much ditto the Lib Dems. I suppose everyone could vote Green and turn the country into a bigger version of Brighton
Of course Farage keeps it simple but above all wanting to get out of a criminal club that is rotten to the core doesn't need to be complicated.
EU Delende Este. That's Latin BTW (for the simple folks)
Vote UKIP and get a labour government "That may well be true but these days there seems to be barely a fag paper between them. Well apart from the ridiculous Milliband and the obnoxious Balls. | |||
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"There are many things that UKIP aspire to that in principle, I would support. Abolishing NI and simplifying the tax code so that everyone pays 30% tax is something that is logical and makes sense. But when you really think about that idea it starts to unwrap pretty quickly and becomes unworkable and probably a vote loser. The anti Europe and anti immigrant stance is a policy that in my opinion is a populist band wagon and no one has given us (the country) any real facts as to what the consequences might be if the UK exited the EU. Personally, I think that the world has very much moved on since we had an Empire and I like the idea of Britain having an ability to steer and be part of the European trading behemoth. There is a great deal that I don't like about the EU but this is overshadowed by what I love about Europe. The EU needs to change and evolve just like everything in life changes and evolves. I don't think that taking our toys away from the party and going home is right for the party, nor is it right for us. The detail of how Europe is changed and why the countries should have more autonomy is obvious but complex. UKIP don't want to think about the detail and just want to take the toys away. In my opinion this is a simple answer to a complex issue and it is why I repeat what I said in the previous post. Simple politics for dimple people. I am not referring to simple people as simpletons, just that they don't want complex issues thrown at them to digest. I suppose I am guilty of using the same tactic that UKIP do and that is to broadly generalise... Shame on me "You're entirely forgiven I'm not speaking with malice, just staggers me a bit that's all.
There are many things that all parties suggest that are unworkable, wholly unworkable and are never going to happen.
Very few voters across the spectrum digest complex information, I have canvassed before now. To point that finger at UKIP (joining in the lazy journalism that targets them and solely them as being a bit barking for whatever expedient reason) is to wilfully ignore the fact that many people vote labour because their parents and grandparents did and exactly the same is true for the other parties.
Whole cities vote one way or another, election after election and have done for generations, Salford where I come from has been labour for ever. Sutton Coldfield where I am now has been Tory forever.
Do you think the main parties voters are all sat with a manifesto, a copy of the Economist and all the broadsheets laid out in front of them to make an informed choice?
Sure some people do but I think most of us rely more on instincts than we care to admit and then see if the basic policies and soon to be broken promises and pledges hit home.
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"There are many things that UKIP aspire to that in principle, I would support. Abolishing NI and simplifying the tax code so that everyone pays 30% tax is something that is logical and makes sense. But when you really think about that idea it starts to unwrap pretty quickly and becomes unworkable and probably a vote loser. The anti Europe and anti immigrant stance is a policy that in my opinion is a populist band wagon and no one has given us (the country) any real facts as to what the consequences might be if the UK exited the EU. Personally, I think that the world has very much moved on since we had an Empire and I like the idea of Britain having an ability to steer and be part of the European trading behemoth. There is a great deal that I don't like about the EU but this is overshadowed by what I love about Europe. The EU needs to change and evolve just like everything in life changes and evolves. I don't think that taking our toys away from the party and going home is right for the party, nor is it right for us. The detail of how Europe is changed and why the countries should have more autonomy is obvious but complex. UKIP don't want to think about the detail and just want to take the toys away. In my opinion this is a simple answer to a complex issue and it is why I repeat what I said in the previous post. Simple politics for dimple people. I am not referring to simple people as simpletons, just that they don't want complex issues thrown at them to digest. I suppose I am guilty of using the same tactic that UKIP do and that is to broadly generalise... Shame on me
You're entirely forgiven I'm not speaking with malice, just staggers me a bit that's all.
There are many things that all parties suggest that are unworkable, wholly unworkable and are never going to happen.
Very few voters across the spectrum digest complex information, I have canvassed before now. To point that finger at UKIP (joining in the lazy journalism that targets them and solely them as being a bit barking for whatever expedient reason) is to wilfully ignore the fact that many people vote labour because their parents and grandparents did and exactly the same is true for the other parties.
Whole cities vote one way or another, election after election and have done for generations, Salford where I come from has been labour for ever. Sutton Coldfield where I am now has been Tory forever.
Do you think the main parties voters are all sat with a manifesto, a copy of the Economist and all the broadsheets laid out in front of them to make an informed choice?
Sure some people do but I think most of us rely more on instincts than we care to admit and then see if the basic policies and soon to be broken promises and pledges hit home.
My own conclusion, they're all going to do what's best for them, no matter the colour."Agree 100%. The worst thing about democracy is the power that voters have but don't use. I live in a "safe" labour seat where a female MP was parachuted in to make up their target of females. It matters not a jot about her abilities and connections with the community she will continue to get voted in even if she morphed into an alien from Mars. | |||
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"There are many things that UKIP aspire to that in principle, I would support. Abolishing NI and simplifying the tax code so that everyone pays 30% tax is something that is logical and makes sense. But when you really think about that idea it starts to unwrap pretty quickly and becomes unworkable and probably a vote loser. The anti Europe and anti immigrant stance is a policy that in my opinion is a populist band wagon and no one has given us (the country) any real facts as to what the consequences might be if the UK exited the EU. Personally, I think that the world has very much moved on since we had an Empire and I like the idea of Britain having an ability to steer and be part of the European trading behemoth. There is a great deal that I don't like about the EU but this is overshadowed by what I love about Europe. The EU needs to change and evolve just like everything in life changes and evolves. I don't think that taking our toys away from the party and going home is right for the party, nor is it right for us. The detail of how Europe is changed and why the countries should have more autonomy is obvious but complex. UKIP don't want to think about the detail and just want to take the toys away. In my opinion this is a simple answer to a complex issue and it is why I repeat what I said in the previous post. Simple politics for dimple people. I am not referring to simple people as simpletons, just that they don't want complex issues thrown at them to digest. I suppose I am guilty of using the same tactic that UKIP do and that is to broadly generalise... Shame on me "Even I think that there are many good things about Europe and (through gritted teeth) the EU. Where I differ is that I think it is beyond reform. A screw up on the books for a year or two would be unfortunate, and a few million going missing would be a calamity, but the corruption and criminality within the EU is of biblical proportions. It's not a couple of years since the books were last signed off, it's nearly two decades, and it's not a few million that went missing, it was 4 billion Euro's that disappeared into the ether only last year. Britain was very fortunate that it didn't get dragged into the Euro as Blair wanted and Clegg supported. I suppose we should all be thankful that Brown for once did something right and kept us out. Believe me the Euro crisis isn't over, it's just sleeping for a while. You say that countries within the EU should get more autonomy, but the message coming from Brussels is exactly the opposite. They want more Europe not less, that is their answer to everything. I am all in favour of a Europe of independent nations working and trading together even with some rules to level the playing field, but a United States of Europe? NEVER. | |||
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"UKIP offer simple solutions to very complex problems. Simple politics for simple people. Aside from nice man Nigel Farage their leading luminaries are Neil and Christine Hamilton. The message here is for simple people. You know there is a problem, but you really don't want to be bothered with the details, you just want someone to speak for you in the same language that you think. This is UKIP... Simple politics for simple people. So vote Labour and we will freeze your heating bills, until you freeze. Vote Labour and we will put a ceiling on your rent, until you haven't got one at all. Vote Labour and we will give you anything you want, until the money runs out AGAIN! is complicated? What next? free blowjobs on the NHS? So vote Lib Dem who will promise to..... er..... well..... break every promise is complex? Or vote Tory. Pretty much ditto the Lib Dems. I suppose everyone could vote Green and turn the country into a bigger version of Brighton
Of course Farage keeps it simple but above all wanting to get out of a criminal club that is rotten to the core doesn't need to be complicated.
EU Delende Este. That's Latin BTW (for the simple folks)"EU delenda est. Quite simple yourself? | |||
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"UKIP offer simple solutions to very complex problems. Simple politics for simple people. Aside from nice man Nigel Farage their leading luminaries are Neil and Christine Hamilton. The message here is for simple people. You know there is a problem, but you really don't want to be bothered with the details, you just want someone to speak for you in the same language that you think. This is UKIP... Simple politics for simple people. So vote Labour and we will freeze your heating bills, until you freeze. Vote Labour and we will put a ceiling on your rent, until you haven't got one at all. Vote Labour and we will give you anything you want, until the money runs out AGAIN! is complicated? What next? free blowjobs on the NHS? So vote Lib Dem who will promise to..... er..... well..... break every promise is complex? Or vote Tory. Pretty much ditto the Lib Dems. I suppose everyone could vote Green and turn the country into a bigger version of Brighton
Of course Farage keeps it simple but above all wanting to get out of a criminal club that is rotten to the core doesn't need to be complicated.
EU Delende Este. That's Latin BTW (for the simple folks)
EU delenda est.
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"UKIP offer simple solutions to very complex problems. Simple politics for simple people. Aside from nice man Nigel Farage their leading luminaries are Neil and Christine Hamilton. The message here is for simple people. You know there is a problem, but you really don't want to be bothered with the details, you just want someone to speak for you in the same language that you think. This is UKIP... Simple politics for simple people. So vote Labour and we will freeze your heating bills, until you freeze. Vote Labour and we will put a ceiling on your rent, until you haven't got one at all. Vote Labour and we will give you anything you want, until the money runs out AGAIN! is complicated? What next? free blowjobs on the NHS? So vote Lib Dem who will promise to..... er..... well..... break every promise is complex? Or vote Tory. Pretty much ditto the Lib Dems. I suppose everyone could vote Green and turn the country into a bigger version of Brighton
Of course Farage keeps it simple but above all wanting to get out of a criminal club that is rotten to the core doesn't need to be complicated.
EU Delende Este. That's Latin BTW (for the simple folks)
EU delenda est.
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Nah. did from memory instead of Wiki. It's many years since I did the Punic wars."Scipio was a cunt. Not sure if that is latin. Futue te ipsum et caballum tuum. Not sure if that is a direct quote from Scipio either. | |||
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