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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

i have been hearing on the news about a woman from london 20yrs old 5 months preg, got arressted for drug smuggling (cant remeber where) and she goes on trial next week and if she gets found guilty she will be put to death by yhe fireing squad.

if she is guilty do u think she should be killed?

what about her baby??

if she was not pregnant would ur views be diffrent u think?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

FFS Kitty you do get into some scrapes

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By *heekychezzaWoman over a year ago

warrington

My views would be no different...pregnant or not I just do not agree with the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

kitty hun its ok ill save ya lol xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

its not me!!!! i dont take drugs!!

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/world/25266-pregnant-briton-may-face-firing-squad-over-laos-drugs-charge

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, the baby should be aloud to be born, it is not the baby's fault that the mother was so dumb, the law is the law we all know that drug smuggling is illegal.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"No, the baby should be aloud to be born, it is not the baby's fault that the mother was so dumb, the law is the law we all know that drug smuggling is illegal.

so she should have the baby then be killed.??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes most definately - give her the bullet.

She obviously doesn't give a shit wether anyone dies as a result of the drugs that she's smuggling, so why should we worry about her life ?

As for her baby ? - well the baby can't be held responsible for it's Mother's actions, so allow it to be born then give her the bullet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the law is the law we all know that drug smuggling is illegal.

she has taken money probably to do this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont agree at all. The death penalty should only be used in murders or for peados.

life for a life!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

people can rape and kill babys kill other people for no reason and just go jail for a while and a woman is going to get killed for smuggling drugs

i dont think the crime fits the punshment, people choose to take drugs its not forced upon them and we all know IF she did smuggle them there are higher people abover her involed and wont be punshed while the donkey gets killed.

i dont think its right to kill her.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"Yes most definately - give her the bullet.

She obviously doesn't give a shit wether anyone dies as a result of the drugs that she's smuggling, so why should we worry about her life ?

As for her baby ? - well the baby can't be held responsible for it's Mother's actions, so allow it to be born then give her the bullet

Agree, the moment they give in and say "ok since your having a baby we won't shoot you" will just result in a hell of alot of pregnant drug mules..

She knew the risks and decided the cash was worth the chance of her life... so bang bang (let child be born and returned to her family though)

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

Unfortunately the saying goes "..when in Rome do as the romans do" comes into play ...she broke the law in another counbtry and lives by those laws. I have an Australian passpoort as i am dual national and the wallet on the Aussie passport is quite clear about the penalties in various countries for drug smuggling ...hanging shooting life in hard labour ...(Life being life)..drugs wrecks a lot of lives and I wonder if we had a mandatory life sentence for pushing or supplying or even packing a gun (whether real or not) with intent I wonder if we would see people saying screw that, one arrest and conviction and i am toast.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

ooops forgot to say ...the baby should live .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Unfortunately the saying goes "..when in Rome do as the romans do" comes into play ...she broke the law in another counbtry and lives by those laws. I have an Australian passpoort as i am dual national and the wallet on the Aussie passport is quite clear about the penalties in various countries for drug smuggling ...hanging shooting life in hard labour ...(Life being life)..drugs wrecks a lot of lives and I wonder if we had a mandatory life sentence for pushing or supplying or even packing a gun (whether real or not) with intent I wonder if we would see people saying screw that, one arrest and conviction and i am toast.

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so true

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

heres a thought nobody has mentioned we think....

wot if the drugs were swallowed in a condom and it burst inside her...obviously the baby would be in danger...wonder if she thought of this at the time?

we dont agree with the death penalty but mittigating circumstances is exceptional in our opinion

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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We agree with Wiggles and Pleasure on this one.

If you are willing to take a chance on smuggling drugs in another country that has made it clear what happens to drug traffickers, then you have to be prepared to accept what might happen to you.

If they made an exception because a woman is pregnant then as Wiggles says, there will be a lot more pregnant drug smugglers turn up.

She didn't think of her baby when she decided to do it.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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After reading the article on it, I best strike my last comment...she wasn't actually pregnant when she got arrested. She became pregnant in December while in prison.

Was that on purpose to help her case to get out? who knows, as the prison is obviously a hell hole.

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By *iss scarlettWoman over a year ago

in scarlettsville ,west lothian

She wasnt pregnant when arrested,that happened in one of their notorious jails. And there is doubt that she is guilty.They moved the trial date forward to try her without her seeing a lawyer .The law may ensure a fair trial here but not in these countries.The death penalty is wrong .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

they should wait till the baby is born before any decisions are made. and then she will have to exept the punishment for the country she is in. she would have known the risks when she did this.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"She wasnt pregnant when arrested,that happened in one of their notorious jails. And there is doubt that she is guilty.They moved the trial date forward to try her without her seeing a lawyer .The law may ensure a fair trial here but not in these countries.The death penalty is wrong . "

0.6kg of heroin.. there is no doubt of her guilt, they just admit she is probably just a mule not a user (worse tbh, since a mule delivers to supply, least an addict is doing it for themselves) a mule would be paid!

The amount she carried is far above there death sentance limmit, she took a gamble and lost.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I don't agree with the death penalty either, but the fact remains, she went to a country that does.

We have all heard the horror stories of these jails and the way these countries operate with what seems to be unfair trials, so why would you put yourself up to being in the same position?

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

I don't agree with the death penalty either, but the fact remains, she went to a country that does.

We have all heard the horror stories of these jails and the way these countries operate with what seems to be unfair trials, so why would you put yourself up to being in the same position?

a small sized suger bag of heroin is a BIG incentive for some, due to it's value.

So many numptys agree to carry or collect such packages simply thinking they can get away with it, though most are bright enough to cary below the maximum penalty limmit of the contries they intend to travel though..

If she carried it as a non user, she knew how many lived 0.6kg could fuck up after delivery, so it's karma that it's her in the shit..

(look on bright side, she tried and failed multiipul times to kill herself in past, ironic that she may have finaly got it right)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't agree with the death penalty either, but the fact remains, she went to a country that does.

We have all heard the horror stories of these jails and the way these countries operate with what seems to be unfair trials, so why would you put yourself up to being in the same position?

Because dimwits like her think that they'll not get caught

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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The lure of the money seems to overide anything else

There can't be anyone in Britain that has'nt heard of drug mule horror stories and the atrocious conditions of the jails not mention the death sentence

But when was the last time a British national was actually killed? they all seem to get a last minute reprieve

As for this particular case if they do go through with it then her baby should be born first.....very sad though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Look at this way. If this country had capital punishment and a citizen of another country that doesn't have it committed a crime here that warranted the death penalty - should that penalty be enforced?

We cannot say to another sovereign state - one that has stated quite clearly that drug traffikers will be executed - that British citizens are exempt from their laws.

This woman took a gamble and lost. The circumstances of her pregnancy are not known so we cannot say if she was raped or deliberatly had sex with male guards in order to save herself from the death penalty.

Clearly the Laos Govt. feel that this woman needs to be tried as soon as possible, maybe because she has tried to manipulate the system by getting pregnant. But here is an interesting observation. Abortion is illegal in Laos. Draw your own conclusions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bloody frightening to see how many people think that ending another persons life is ever acceptable as a punishment.

Guess we haven't really moved on that much in the last few hundred years.

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By *im53Man over a year ago

Boldon

"Bloody frightening to see how many people think that ending another persons life is ever acceptable as a punishment.

Guess we haven't really moved on that much in the last few hundred years."

yes we have moved on. For the worse do you think there would be as many killings and murders happening in this country if we had the death penalty still.

most know that they will get 10-15 yrs

if they kill some one so there is no deterant, bring it back

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bloody frightening to see how many people think that ending another persons life is ever acceptable as a punishment.

Guess we haven't really moved on that much in the last few hundred years."

It's high time some people realised that there is a price to pay for everything in this world. Including the life of luxury enjoyed by the drug barons and their minions. Gaoling them for 10 years doesn't stop the traffic and some of these drug lords are so powerful that they continue to control their empires from within prison walls.

This girl was a mere mule. But she was a willing mule none-the-less. If she hadn't been caught she would have collected her payment and thought it easy money - and she'd have done it again, and again, and again.

What of all those people's lives that are/will have been wrecked by her?

Did she stop to consider the damage she was causing?

She did not.

By sending out the clear message that even those working at the very lowest end of the drug chain run the very real risk of losing their lives can we even begin to hurt the barons controlling them. They may be safe behind their ivory towers but the powers that be know that they need the mules to do their dirty work. Without them the empire collapses like a house of cards.

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

As a crew member for Royal Caribbean I was approached and offered $30,000 my arse was twitching as I said 'I'm sorry but I'm British' Where the fuck that came from God only knows, but I expected to be shot on my way back to the ship. Luckilly I must have made them laugh. A collegue did take the money and continued for six months before saying he wanted to stop. He was found shot on a rubbish tip in Miami!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bloody frightening to see how many people think that ending another persons life is ever acceptable as a punishment.

Guess we haven't really moved on that much in the last few hundred years."

Of course we haven't moved on as a species. We are part of the animal kingdom and not above it and are a savage, violent race. We may treat the world and other life as commodities but we have the same instincts as many other animals on this planet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"heres a thought nobody has mentioned we think....

wot if the drugs were swallowed in a condom and it burst inside her...obviously the baby would be in danger...wonder if she thought of this at the time?

we dont agree with the death penalty but mittigating circumstances is exceptional in our opinion

From reading the item in the "Malaysian Insider" it seems she became pregnant whilst in prison!!!!

Probably in an attempt to sway the court & the hearts of the british public...

The womans MP has made representation on her behalf & the Foreign Office has been urged to intervene...

Let the bitch reap the consequences of her actions!!!!

Drug mules are the bottom of the chain & in the eyes of the Cartel bosses expendable!!!

We should be sending a strong message to all these budding mules out there & that is "you bring death & misery" back to these shores & we are not going to save you....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

she actually got pregnant in prison because she was raped .. so thats ok then and whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personaly I don't think killing her will stop anything, save anyone let alone her child..

Killing these mules has little or no impact at all.. it will be forgotten like most news withing a week.. Leaving her to serve a very very long sentence has more impact, serves more a warning as the longer she lives and suffers the mmore chance people who are tempted by greed get to hear over a longer period.

A far better warning I think..

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"she actually got pregnant in prison because she was raped .. so thats ok then and whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty ? "

It isn't actually reported from what I can see that she was raped.

From all reports it seems no one is sure.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"she actually got pregnant in prison because she was raped .. so thats ok then and whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty ? "

well if you want to go that route even tho the evidence is strong its ....allegedly raped .....

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Bloody frightening to see how many people think that ending another persons life is ever acceptable as a punishment.

Guess we haven't really moved on that much in the last few hundred years."

well it is understandable to people who have been direct victims of violent crime and lost people ,,,what would be your feelings if you lost someone because of the intentional actions of someone else.What retribution would you want ? lock em away for a comfy no pressure existance for 15 years then release ...and sentence served on your way sun no problem ...what does that actually say about the value of a human life . pretty cheap it tell me .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

seeing as she has not been found guilty at the moment and you lot are saying kill her makes me very sad, i have heard some news reports about people having drugs planted on them when they are not known to carry them at all, even by them being hide in suitcase, they way people are saying kill kill kill is sad no one knows the full story yet and most prob never will.

also how kind for people to think of the poor baby let it be born first then kill the fucking mother eh, how nice for that baby to grow up and know that.

if she done wrong yes then she should be punshed but i dont think death is the right way. how can we make a fuss about people getting murdered in the street then say on the next hand yes kill that one its ok??

yes i know my post dont make much sense but i know what i mean oh i am going for a wee

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" i have heard some news reports about people having drugs planted on them when they are not known to carry them at all, even by them being hide in suitcase"

It said she told ppl she was going on holiday to the Netherlands before going on to Thailand & eventualy Laos!!!

Know by any stretch of the imagination its a bit of the beaten track for the "Tulip Fields".

If she'd stayed where she said she was going she would'nt of had drugs "hidden" in here bags...

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"seeing as she has not been found guilty at the moment and you lot are saying kill her makes me very sad, i have heard some news reports about people having drugs planted on them when they are not known to carry them at all, even by them being hide in suitcase, they way people are saying kill kill kill is sad no one knows the full story yet and most prob never will.

also how kind for people to think of the poor baby let it be born first then kill the fucking mother eh, how nice for that baby to grow up and know that.

yes i know my post dont make much sense but i know what i mean oh i am going for a wee"

ok now work out the street value of 0.6kg of heroin (not a weight some drug official sneaks in your bag to frame you) split that by amount of grams, then cut it with all kinds of shit, sell to smack heads on britsh streat = a hell of alot more lives lost than 1 dopy cow who tryed to make some easy cash..

It's drummed into travlers constantly, never carry sombody elses bags, let anyone put anything in yours, or leave your bags vunrable to having stuff put in them (even my 11yr old knows only to cary a bag we packed)

again 0.6kg isn't a small amount, it's a severe fuck up your local area, if you get it wrong amount..

You travel, you obey there laws not the laws of where you are from and as such you pay thier price ( a reason so many forighn criminals find british justice a joke and a worth while risk)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

yep so lets just kill her eh!!

u have been in jail if i remeber rightly something u posted before? (sorry if i have got that wrong, no offence ment)

would u have been ok with being put to death? it does not matter what crime was done, u dont the crime so u die? u would have been happy if that was your punishemt yea? or did u do ur time and learn from what happened?

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"yep so lets just kill her eh!!

u have been in jail if i remeber rightly something u posted before? (sorry if i have got that wrong, no offence ment)

I served my time based on the crime i did (actualy served longer, as judge retired that day so handed everyone a flat scentance)

I knew what kind of scentance each of my crimes faced, long before I comited them and had decided risk was worth the reward..

Having seen how much drugs screw up society and the abundance od said drugs in uk prisons (ther realy is no risk for bringing them in) I simply have no tolerance for drug dealers, they prey on the week minded and kids having no respect for who gets hurt/killed along the way.. Drug dealers are the lowest of the low and there mules are a close second, you kill cancer with no remorse, likewise such people are the cancer of society and should be treated as such....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

so ur crime was less then hers? every crime hurts someone, affects somthing. u learnt from ur time inside and have changed your life around. why could this female not do the same? why cant she learn from what she has done wrong and become a better person?

in a world where our children are getting killed for a mobile phone i find it shocking people find it all so easy to sit back and just think killing someone is fine? she done a crime then yes put her in jail punish her, but to kill her? and be ok about it...........

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By *histleMan over a year ago

peterborough

Capital punishment is acceptable in a number of occasions including drug smuggling in this case. Why should "we move on that much"? She broke the law of that country and should pay the penalty.

By your logic we should "move on" in the next few hundred years and abolish any penalty for any crime committed in future.

The pendulum has swung too far in recent years in this country and it's about time it swung back a few decades and the death penalty was re-introducd here for certain crimes such as terrorism, drug dealing/smuggling, and pre-meditated murders.

Unfortunately there are too many soft-hearted liberals in positions of authority in the UK.

That's why there is so much mess to be cleared up by future genraions.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"so ur crime was less then hers? every crime hurts someone, affects somthing. u learnt from ur time inside and have changed your life around. why could this female not do the same? why cant she learn from what she has done wrong and become a better person?

The reason such crimes are done in the uk, seemingly at random, kids on street stabbing/shooting other kids, killing old people for change, rape and more is exactly the result of what your petitioning for!

British justice is a joke, a very cruel joke, with tiny scentances that hold little meening, causing murderers and rapists to serve similar scentance to petty criminals..

I'm a firm beliver in corporal punishment (yes even as an ex con, especialy as an ex con infact) life should meen life, not here do abot 15 years you sick little shits, then get a whole shiny new life (like those sick jamie bulger killers) a sentance should be a set time, no parol, no good behavior and some crimes deserve nothing but death..

As a point ask alot of people "if someone killed your wife, husband or kid, would you be happy to leave them serve there scentance" you may be suprised how many reply "No let me kill the bastard then i'll happily do the time myself"

crist in the UK a criminal is more protected then the victim, try hiting or attcking a burglar, I garantee you will be in a cell longer than they are!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

i agree the sentances are crap and have always belived they should be longer and life should mean life, however i dont agree with killing people, how on one hand can we tell people killing and crime is bad but on the other hand we are hanging killing people as well? also what about people who are innocent? it happens even now (i know not as much now but the risk is there) i feel there are other ways to punish people and killing them is not one if anything i think its a east way out for some people.

i do understand not everyone will agree with me and i am not asking people to change their minds, but i am just putting my view across cos its sunday and i got nothing else to do lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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so in your world at what point would you say someone should be put to death 10- 15 -100-500 a thousand dead ?

temember the junk she was going to bring is is trafficked to kids of all ages to get em hooked .....even in the playground ....would you string em up if it was one of yours or a relatives kids they hooked up ...make it a death sentence to traffic and you would cut out 99% of it over night as it would not be worth the risk .I believe the child should live ...but remember we cant get sanctimonious about child life in this country with foetal abortion being allowed so late .

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"i agree the sentances are crap and have always belived they should be longer and life should mean life, however i dont agree with killing people, how on one hand can we tell people killing and crime is bad but on the other hand we are hanging killing people as well? also what about people who are innocent? it happens even now (i know not as much now but the risk is there) i feel there are other ways to punish people and killing them is not one if anything i think its a east way out for some people.

i do understand not everyone will agree with me and i am not asking people to change their minds, but i am just putting my view across cos its sunday and i got nothing else to do lol"

Hun if I didn't respect your view, I would bother to reply, debate is always good xx

I jut have a severe dislike or drug dealers and those who help them, we live in an incredibly corrupt society, police are bought off far to easy, making those who are cleans jobs that much harder, lawyers can be even worse, my own made it quite clear how "if I paid more I definitly wouldn't go down"

Crime is so bad in the UK, with prisons so full, that police will happily write of multipul crimes "taken into consideration" if you confess, just to clean up the books..

If by some miricle she is innocent, then I feel sorry for her, but face it, 0.6kg of heroin and way off corse of her destination, she would have to have litraly won the anti lottery :P

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

i feel sorry for her, i know what she has done is a stupid thing and she is a right old div for doing it, but she is just the stupid girl with money eyes, the 'top' people are forever getting away with it cos they use the dim people to do their work.

even tho i dont agree with what she has done i dont feel she should get killed, there should be more work on finding out who got her to carry it cos they the ones who will be getting some other stupid mug to do again.

i think she should stay in jail for a very long time, be punshed and in a forgin jail it will be a lot worse then if it was here cos we have easy jails,

but kill her, no it does not sit easy with me/.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Most civilised countries have long acepted that the death penalty only causes more murders carried out by criminals to help save them getting caught, and also accept one miscarriage aint worth it init - I need a wee so shut up ya divs you know your flowers !!!

;)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not really commenting on whether this woman should be executed or not as it just comes down to personal views. However, we cannot keep making distinctions between those at the top who supply the drugs and those at the lower end of the scale who traffic the drugs. If there weren't people willing to take money to smuggle drugs then it would make the whole distribution of drugs alot harder, which in turn could make the job of destroying the drug cartels a bit easier by the security forces. If shes innocent then i hope all will be done to set her free but if shes guilty she will be dealt with according to the law of Laos which is execution by firing squad. No matter what we say or debate will change that.

Don't think it is just those at the bottom being hit by law enforcement while those at the top are untouchable, as there is a huge movement in places such as Columbia to seek and destroy drug factories and to capture or kill those at the top of the cartels. We even have our own SAS troops taking part in actions in Columbia and Afghanistan to eliminate the drug trade and dealers. It doesn't matter if your at the top of the criminal pyramid or at the bottom; if your a willing participant in criminal activities you deserve what you get if caught.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

should d*unk drivers get killed? they drink and know the risks when they get into a car, they know there is a risk they can kill someone if they drive but many still do it, so should they die as well?

or are we just picking out who thinks the worse crime is?

dont all crimes hurt people? fuck lets kill shoplifters too.

no actually dont kill shoplifters

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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"should d*unk drivers get killed? they drink and know the risks when they get into a car, they know there is a risk they can kill someone if they drive but many still do it, so should they die as well?

or are we just picking out who thinks the worse crime is?

dont all crimes hurt people? fuck lets kill shoplifters too.

no actually dont kill shoplifters

Nooooo free the Kitty one!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

or are we just picking out who thinks the worse crime is?

dont all crimes hurt people? fuck lets kill shoplifters too.

no actually dont kill shoplifters

I'm looking at this in an intellectual way and not an emotional way.

Should drink drivers be executed? In this country there is no capital punishment so my answer would be no and i doubt there is any country in this world that does enforce a death penalty for drink driving. In my case i cannot abide drink drivers and sadly they kill alot of innocent people while often not getting even a scratch themselves or even a lengthy prison sentence. If i had my way those who drink drive would be the only casualties of this crime and if they didn't kill themselves they would be out in chain gangs breaking stones and being severly punished for this serious crime. And you can throw in those moron 'joy' riders too!

When it comes to shop lifters i do think they should be more severely punished, though with our legal system and overcrowded prisons they often get away with a pathetic slap on the wrist. Shop lifting is done by thieves and their actions do affect everyone. This is because people steal from shops, the shops then have to recoup losses by among other aspects paying higher insurances which results in prices of goods going up which then hits the consumers pockets! A thief is a thief is a thief....and there is NO honour among theives. So yes all crimes hurt people!

Every country has it's own law system in place which classes each crime to type and severity and a judgement and sentence is passed by those with the authority to do so on those who break the law. Not every crime is equal and shop lifting will of course have a different sentence to a crime such as murder, child molestation or drug trafficking...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, bring back the death penalty.

It works a treat in the US.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Yes, bring back the death penalty.

It works a treat in the US.

well i n a bizarre way it does in terms of the saving of an eastimated 100 million dollars +it would take to keep these people in prison .the first 1000 prisoners executed in the usa were convicted of killing 1859 people .

But why get sanctimonious about human life how are we different to everything else living here ...isnt it arrogant to hold our life more precious than that of everything on the planet.

i mean we are the ones fucking the planet up evidently and we are all prepared to kill millions in the support of ideology if you want the real value of a human it approviamtely £14.97 that is the cost of the materials we contain and in the time it has taken me to type this 46 children have died of starvation and desease when there was no need ...you cant turn the moral codes on when you like ...they are either on or off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"you cant turn the moral codes on when you like ...they are either on or off."

yea your right, so i hope people aint upset by the kids dying of starvation if they are also happy to yell kill for someone else to die.

on a diffrent note, why would people say no to people being killed for drink driving? the people they kill have not even took a chance (ie taking drugs) and the drivers know full well of the risk they are taking?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"you cant turn the moral codes on when you like ...they are either on or off.

yea your right, so i hope people aint upset by the kids dying of starvation if they are also happy to yell kill for someone else to die.

The severity of a crime - and it's subsequent punishment is a question of intent within the eyes of the law.

Does a drink driver intentionally set out to kill someone with his or her car?

No, they don't. They know they are breaking the law yet there is no intent to kill.

Drug runners know that the very substance they are selling can kill. The supply of Class A drugs is a cold calculated method of getting rich without any regard for the problems their 'products' cause. That is whre the intent differs, and naturally, the punishment should be different too.

Here in Britain we don't use capital punishment nor do we sanction its use anywhere else in the world, but we cannot dictate to other sovereign states that British people should not be executed for serious breaches of law that warrant the death penatly in the countries that support it. We can only hope that our ambassadors abroad have enough persuasion and political clout to postpone or even overturn any death sentence meted out to British nationals. It's the only tool we can use and it doesn't always have a successful outcome so we can only make sure that British people know that if they run the risk of running drugs in countries that support capital punishment then they also run the risk of succumbing to such punishment.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"you cant turn the moral codes on when you like ...they are either on or off.

yea your right, so i hope people aint upset by the kids dying of starvation if they are also happy to yell kill for someone else to die.

But people die every day kitty ...it is not a unique event....we lose thoudsands to natural disasters ...remember the tsunami..what was it 300,000 in 14 minutes ....WW1,WW2,hiroshima ,nagasaki,the holocaust,pol pot ,the korean war ,vietam ...massive butcher bills and all repeatable events today.

If convicted, then she has broken the law ,a law she knew was wrong. Disagree with it on moral grounds of course ....but dont wring your hands because she took her chances and lost ...and if you cant do the time dont do the crime.

Remember other people in Laos are put to death for less ....its only because its a media event people are looking ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And again we are NOT unique on this planet...even though the religious groups would prefer to see us as something more we are animals. Chimpanzees and dolphins who we see portrayed as cute, lovely animals can be very violent and murder/kill each other and virtually every species on this planet will kill to survive. Death is inevitable and comes to us all; some die at birth without being given a chance to live while some die at a very old age. Some people are victims of natural disasters, disease, famine or crime where their lives are cut short and some people who do the crime sometimes have their lives cut short through capital punishment, gang related murder etc.

People have the freedom to choose and if they want to take a moral stance on an issue thats fine but it doesn't mean those who have an opposite view are wrong or right. At the end of WW2 were we right in executing those Nazis/Japanese who had been responsible for the deaths of 55 million people, or should we have taken a a more moral stance and given them a prison sentence or let them off with a slapped wrist?

And when it comes to the starving children and people of this world then where are peoples morals? If people were so moral minded they would surely be doing a alot more for charity or helping directly to alleviate this unnecessary suffering but do i hear a stampede to help...no of course not. I tell you why because no one really cares until a music festval comes along and makes you remember and when thats finished everyone goes back to their own lives while the children dying of starvation are forgotten until Bob Geldof brings us another Live Aid gig.

If people are so moral minded and have strong feelings about various issues then they should put their money where their mouth is and get involved in tackling the ills of the world. I have. Writing on this forum isn't going to change a damn thing so be more proactive!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If this lady is found guilty & given a prison sentence you just know the bleeding hearts will lobby there MP's to get the Foreign Office to get her transfered after a yr or two as shes got the baby & all!!!

Then she will come back to britain do a short term in a cushy nick & then shes out due to the overcrowding problem...

Where upon she will then cost the state a fortune in benefits & assorted other stuff like social workers & the such..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"you cant turn the moral codes on when you like ...they are either on or off.

yea your right, so i hope people aint upset by the kids dying of starvation if they are also happy to yell kill for someone else to die.

The severity of a crime - and it's subsequent punishment is a question of intent within the eyes of the law.

Does a drink driver intentionally set out to kill someone with his or her car?

No, they don't. They know they are breaking the law yet there is no intent to kill.

thats stupid, does a drug mule set out to kill? NO do all drungs kill NO do people choose to take drugs YES.

when u drink drive ur victims have had no part to play in events, its downn to the driver. people choose to take drugs and risk dying and the same with not all drink drivers kill not do everyone who takes drugs.

drink drivers set out knowing there is a risk they can hurt or kill someone the same with people who supply drugs, why dont people insist on death for drink drivers? all crime hurts people, if u want or are happy to people having the death pently then u should be happy for every crime to be punished by death not just pick and choose.

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By *ornywhores4Couple over a year ago

louth

she should be helped.........WOW she made a wrong choice but doesnt need to be shot for it,have yous never made a wrong choice?and she was not pregnant when she smuggled the drugs,she got pregnant in jail,we think its a very unfair price to pay,let spend the next 20years in jail,but not death,how would ye feel if it was your.......mother,daughter,sister,friend,neice?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"she should be helped.........WOW she made a wrong choice but doesnt need to be shot for it,have yous never made a wrong choice?and she was not pregnant when she smuggled the drugs,she got pregnant in jail,we think its a very unfair price to pay,let spend the next 20years in jail,but not death,how would ye feel if it was your.......mother,daughter,sister,friend,neice?"

Why should she be helped ????

She went into the particular country and has clearly broken the laws of that country and therefore should be punished according to those laws. I really fail to see why she should be given any alternative treatment.

She knew what she was doing was wrong, she got caught and must now pay the price.

Don't see any problem there

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

killing is wrong

BTW I JUST HAD A WELL NICE BIG MAC HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume all those people taking the moral high ground on this have already lobbied their MPs and taken direct action themselves to help prevent this woman being executed. Or is it that the people shouting that this woman should not be executed and killing is wrong are merely sitting in front of their computers and have done absolutely doing nothing except come onto these forums to argue their views. One thing i have never liked are those armchair moralists who go on about their views but don't lift a finger to do something about them. Spend less time on here and more time doing something to change the world...or is it too much hassle and it's easier to just argue on a swinging forum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" BTW I JUST HAD A WELL NICE BIG MAC HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

And while were talking about morals i suggest you take a closer look at macdonalds and other companies like coca cola and see what they get up to

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

at least some people are able to sit on a forum and say their views with out acting like a sheep too scared to go agenst anyone else, what would be stupid is to think that one person could make a change in anything in this world.

the only thing i could do is go and try to break her from prison now that aint gonna happen cos i am on bail

u can sign a prostest form u can write to a mp but only a thicko would think that would change anything one of the best thing someone could do it stand up and not be afraid to say what U think is wrong, to have a personail view about something and to stick by that.

or we could do what the majorty do and just say nothing. dont try to get other peoples views on things (and just cos no one has managed to make me change my mind does not mean i have not sat here and read what people have wrote and thought about it)

my spelling sucks and i aint got laid in 7 months but i am proud to have sat here and stated my own views on this issue with out worrying about the fact that i am one of the only people who think like this. it makes me proud that i DONT think its ok to kill ANYONE and thats all that matters to me,

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" BTW I JUST HAD A WELL NICE BIG MAC HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

And while were talking about morals i suggest you take a closer look at macdonalds and other companies like coca cola and see what they get up to"

why dont u make a new post about mc donalds if it bothers u so much. This issue bothered me i made a post make a new thread or dont it bother u really u just trying to be petty?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

your view is probably mainline thinking in religeous circles kitty so your not alone and aligned with 1 billion christians and if we could flick a switch and turn back the clock for her then ok fair enough but we cant ...she has to pay whatever the price is if guilty.

I really do understand your point of view and empathise with it.but its out of all of our hands now ..

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By *adchickCouple over a year ago

Cyprus

If you break the law in a country you are visiting/travelling through/leaving, then you have to expect their punishments if you are caught.

Drug smuggling isn't clever and even the thickest and most stupid muppets on this planet know that certain countries carry the death penalty. If they can't be bothered to check what their punishment would be for being caught.... more fool them.

The lady in question is originally from Nigeria and should have known what sort of punishment Asian countries dish out to drug smugglers. Yet she chose to carry on....... and with Heroin FFS.

And what the blazes was she doing in Laos?

No sympathy here I'm afraid

p.s...... there have been NO executions in Laos in the past 20 years (as confirmed by Amnesty International) and although they give the death penalty... they don't actually carry it out!

If this is the case, then it's life in jail in Laos......which is as it should be! With NO chance of reprieve

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"If you break the law in a country you are visiting/travelling through/leaving, then you have to expect their punishments if you are caught.

The lady in question is originally from Nigeria and should have known what sort of punishment Asian countries dish out to drug smugglers. Yet she chose to carry on....... and with Heroin FFS.

And what the blazes was she doing in Laos?

No sympathy here I'm afraid

p.s...... there have been NO executions in Laos in the past 20 years (as confirmed by Amnesty International) and although they give the death penalty... they don't actually carry it out!

If this is the case, then it's life in jail in Laos......which is as it should be! With NO chance of reprieve"

Life in that prison or shot, i'll take the shot please.. rest of your life in such a jail would feel incredibly long and boring....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My point exactly.......

Shooting is quick and pointless, no deterant at all..

Forgotten news in a week... Long Drawn out painful jail serves a better process to remind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i aint got laid in 7 months "

I think I can change that situation for you Kitty.

There !! I've done something to help your cause. I ain't one of those arrmchair moralists .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The lady in question is originally from Nigeria and should have known what sort of punishment Asian countries dish out to drug smugglers. Yet she chose to carry on....... and with Heroin FFS.

She was only 8 when she came here _adchick.....

But she should know right from wrong..

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By *adchickCouple over a year ago

Cyprus

The lady in question is originally from Nigeria and should have known what sort of punishment Asian countries dish out to drug smugglers. Yet she chose to carry on....... and with Heroin FFS.

She was only 8 when she came here _adchick.....

But she should know right from wrong.."

I wasn't sure how long she'd been here. However, I do agree with you.

The basic knowledge of 'right' from 'wrong' is inherent in all of us.

If she chose to do 'wrong' because it was money motivated (which I assume it was) ...... then tough shite!

I and many others on here have had it tough, with small children to look after and virtually no money......but we NEVER resorted to shovelling heroin down our keks to make a quick buck!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So. Because someone does something wrong everyone seems to feel morally at peace with her being murdered.

If it's such a great bloody deterent, then why does she, and thousands of others believe it's a good idea. Maybe the producers should be targetted instead of the dumb suckers acting as mules to get out of god knows what.

I wonder how many of you would feel different it was some poor naive white girl who was born in england.

Thank fuck the daily mail only only influences some of your fascist principles and not the law in this country.

I'd choose to live in a country where there is crime committee by individuals over one where the individuals have crime committed by the state.

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By *adchickCouple over a year ago

Cyprus

"So. Because someone does something wrong everyone seems to feel morally at peace with her being murdered. "

No, what we are saying is that she has to take the punishment of the country where she committed the crime.

"If it's such a great bloody deterent, then why does she, and thousands of others believe it's a good idea. Maybe the producers should be targetted instead of the dumb suckers acting as mules to get out of god knows what."

Because there will always be those that think that drug smuggling is a quick buck. Stupidity is no excuse for not realising it's wrong and totally illegal in every country.

"I wonder how many of you would feel different it was some poor naive white girl who was born in england."

Don't throw the race card. I for one would feel exactly the same. In fact i did when those two young girls got caught in Thailand last year. Tough Shite. You break the law for money and smuggle drugs...... you pay the consequences of your actions in the country where you were caught. I don't care if they are black, white, yellow or sodding purple. They all still do it for the money.

"Thank fuck the daily mail only only influences some of your fascist principles and not the law in this country."

Considering most of the swingers I know actually read the broadsheets, I suggest that you give people on here more credit for intelligence than that based on your own blinkered view.

"I'd choose to live in a country where there is crime committee by individuals over one where the individuals have crime committed by the state. "

You live in one, although our judicial system is not flawless.

At the end of the day, the stupid girl is NOT going to get shot. There is too much international pressure and they haven't executed anyone for 20 years (check Amnesty Internationals website)

They are hardly likely to start now.

She'll end up back here as a previous poster stated, in a soft jail, ekeing out a shorter sentence watching sky and playing on a Wii.......

Not bad for smuggling one of the worst drugs you can get.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"So. Because someone does something wrong everyone seems to feel morally at peace with her being murdered.