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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

carryin on from wishys thread.....hey u never know maybe some political advisors on here and we can help them!!

the transportation of kids, i still think its wrong if someone has a mobility car for that child and can drive etc that LA (local authorities) are paying to transport them to schools that car is there for that child and to help with their day to day lives there no doubt they need it, public transport is not equipped enough for people with disabilities but why is millions of pounds be spent per year for somethin that is there for that child? it may be different in the cases where parents/carers dont drive but if a car and driver is there why is this money being spent?? xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd be more worried about the dole for people not seeking work than punishing the disabled.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'd be more worried about the dole for people not seeking work than punishing the disabled."

no one mentioned punishing the disabled?? if you read the previous thread you would see the point im making?

yeah there def some people who will get a long service medal if they ever sign off!! x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well its obvious that some families are given cars etc when its not essential and it could be judged better but I'm more interested in cutting job seekers allowance for those who aren't seeking. Lets go after them first.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Plus, they might have cars but what's to say that during school hours these parents aren't working, so are in need of the transport supplied.

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By *ickmealloverWoman over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Well its obvious that some families are given cars etc when its not essential and it could be judged better but I'm more interested in cutting job seekers allowance for those who aren't seeking. Lets go after them first."

thats a bit harsh

there isn't work for everyone and even less since the invention of computers

call centres/banks/estate agents/travelagents all use much less staff as we all seem to book online

where do you suggest we get 3 million jobs from?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you cut job seekers allowance we'll have to brick up our windows and doors and stay indoors

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

THOSE WHO AREN'T SEEKING

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Plus, they might have cars but what's to say that during school hours these parents aren't working, so are in need of the transport supplied."

because the car is for the childs use??

a mobility car is for the person intended, say you had your elderly mothers car and used it for work and got stopped by the police, they clock the exemption rd tax, your done if that person is not in the car as it is for their use not yours!

and before anyone accuses me of being discriminatory towards the disabled im not im just stating fact xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I.E. benefit cheats.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I.E. benefit cheats."

we had a cracker up here recently he fiddled 25k thats including housin benefit and council tax! he had been working full time at the local crematoriam for a few years and never signed off xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who said the driver used the mobility vehicle to drive to work, the car could be used in the evenings/weekends WITH the child.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

ID cards already being scrapped....but there are plenty of quango's that can go

stamp duty land tax can be increased by at least a half percentage point for all homes over £300,000

Cut spending on overseas aid

raise capital gains tax on all those selling second/third homes

actively withdraw job seekers allowance for those not actually SEEKING work

reduce the levels of wastage in management staff in the public sector

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ID cards already being scrapped....but there are plenty of quango's that can go

stamp duty land tax can be increased by at least a half percentage point for all homes over £300,000

Cut spending on overseas aid

raise capital gains tax on all those selling second/third homes

actively withdraw job seekers allowance for those not actually SEEKING work

reduce the levels of wastage in management staff in the public sector

Good examples of where savings could be made, resources for the disabled should be at the bottom of lists for cuts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would never agree with unemployment benefit being cut unless there was other alternatives in place, although anyone who hasn't paid any national insurance contributions in the last 5 years should get a bare minimum.

Our neighbour has just been made redundant, he's single and gets around £60 per week, still has to pay for his prescriptions, dental treatment etc, and is left with £30 after paying fuel bills, try living on £30 a week, don't believe that all people on benefits get 25k a year like the media portray.

If they cut benefits, they'd turn to crime when theres no jobs for them to get, and its going to get worse before it gets any better, the only people that would suffer is the tax payer again, as they'd be paying the same tax, while replacing the contents of you're robbed house every other week.

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By *ickmealloverWoman over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

I though everyone on job seekers allowance had to be seeking work and are forced into attending interviews that they have no skills for

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i get annoyed when I read about cutting civil service/public sector management. a proportion of that management is due to the necessity to monitor and manage performance, performance indicators, targets, etc, brought about by Thatcher's introduction of the Financial Mangement Initiative. I did my Master's dissertaion on this so I know what I'm talking about.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

There are a recorded 2.6 miilion people out of work...where are you going to get all these jobs to send these claimants to?

Or is Cameron going to lead this country out of the wilderness and magically create enough jobs for everyone?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would never agree with unemployment benefit being cut unless there was other alternatives in place, although anyone who hasn't paid any national insurance contributions in the last 5 years should get a bare minimum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are a recorded 2.6 miilion people out of work...where are you going to get all these jobs to send these claimants to?

Or is Cameron going to lead this country out of the wilderness and magically create enough jobs for everyone?"
I'm talking about cutting allowance for those who aren't LOOKING for work.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

There are a recorded 2.6 miilion people out of work...where are you going to get all these jobs to send these claimants to?

Or is Cameron going to lead this country out of the wilderness and magically create enough jobs for everyone? I'm talking about cutting allowance for those who aren't LOOKING for work."

It's not easy to prove that people are not looking for work, as Job Centre workers find out every day....all the claimant has to do is state that they regularly read jobs adverts in newspapers and ring up about jobs.

You are falling into a Daily Mail way of thinking, propoganda fed to you by the Tory press about the unemployed.

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By *illow and talkCouple over a year ago

nr glasgow

"I'd be more worried about the dole for people not seeking work than punishing the disabled."
we dont call them mobility cars where we come from,we call them miracle cars,because once they get them the walking sticks and limps disappear

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How bout Sum1 "CUT" my hair? lol lol ---or cut the roses back in my garden??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are a recorded 2.6 miilion people out of work...where are you going to get all these jobs to send these claimants to?

Or is Cameron going to lead this country out of the wilderness and magically create enough jobs for everyone? I'm talking about cutting allowance for those who aren't LOOKING for work.

You are falling into a Daily Mail way of thinking, propoganda fed to you by the Tory press about the unemployed."

We're talking about change aren't we? It should be better policed, as in the current system should be changed to make it harder to defraud. I'm more worried about someone living off the state fraudulently than a disabled kid getting an extra biscuit at lunch.

I don't read the daily mail, so that ones dead in the water.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Why name yourself after a Muslim Cleric who advocates the slaughter of British troops?

Did you think about it before deciding?

Or are you a fan?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yeah i agree with that good commet from that good chap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

3million immigrants since 1997 Why if we have no jobs for them?

Can any1 tell me When immigrants enter uk is the head of house hold only counted

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whats to stop the government creating unpaid jobs that people on benefits have to do if they want to continue to receive benefits. I am not talking 40 hrs a week but maybe 16 for the first year and going up in the 2nd year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

from the channel tunnel!! lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why name yourself after a Muslim Cleric who advocates the slaughter of British troops?

Did you think about it before deciding?

Or are you a fan?"

What's that got to do with the discussion? potential ff topic cheap shot rather than argue my actual point? There's more than one Abu Hamza if you'll research.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I though everyone on job seekers allowance had to be seeking work and are forced into attending interviews that they have no skills for"

I recently decided that i should use job centre to look for work....they are hopeless and just say I have more idea of what I can do than they do.

They pay me around £65 per week, no help with council tax, mortgage etc etc so the money really is not worth having for the difference it makes to me personally.

I go every fortnight, tell them I'm looking and that is it.... no investigation as to whether or not i really am.

They offered a travel warrant for the interview in London next month. If I buy ticket now it's £70...otherwise it goes up to £210

They won't issue a warrant until the week I travel, therefore costing an extra £140.......another area of waste that could be sorted

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are a recorded 2.6 miilion people out of work...where are you going to get all these jobs to send these claimants to?

Or is Cameron going to lead this country out of the wilderness and magically create enough jobs for everyone?"
2.6 million does not scratch the surface Millions either dont sign on ,self employed with no work those in full time eduction because they can't find work and those that have just given uphope

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

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3 Million Immigrants since 1997?

That includes those that have come....and left, it also includes those from the EU....who are legally in the country, that leaves a net figure of approx 1.2 million since 1997.

Considering that since 2001 alone over One million British Citizens are now living and or working abroad, it makes precious little difference does it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Whats to stop the government creating unpaid jobs that people on benefits have to do if they want to continue to receive benefits. I am not talking 40 hrs a week but maybe 16 for the first year and going up in the 2nd year."
too many claimants in the "I'm not doing that" team unfortunately.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Why name yourself after a Muslim Cleric who advocates the slaughter of British troops?

Did you think about it before deciding?

Or are you a fan?

What's that got to do with the discussion? potential ff topic cheap shot rather than argue my actual point? There's more than one Abu Hamza if you'll research."

Of course you named yourself Abu Hamza after the Abu Hamza that owns a chip shop in Leytonstone didn't you?

I think probably not.....You wanted to shock

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

There is a school of thought that a new 'Citizens Army' or 'Citizens Workforce' could and should be established.

Maybe for a small premium on top of their Jobseekers the long term unemployed could be used to do some good in the country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why name yourself after a Muslim Cleric who advocates the slaughter of British troops?

Did you think about it before deciding?

Or are you a fan?

What's that got to do with the discussion? potential ff topic cheap shot rather than argue my actual point? There's more than one Abu Hamza if you'll research.

Of course you named yourself Abu Hamza after the Abu Hamza that owns a chip shop in Leytonstone didn't you?

I think probably not.....You wanted to shock"
research it, I dare you.

But why was it raised? Cheap shot? Couldn't argue my point? Why? What relevance does it have to this discussion?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Why name yourself after a Muslim Cleric who advocates the slaughter of British troops?

Did you think about it before deciding?

Or are you a fan?

What's that got to do with the discussion? potential ff topic cheap shot rather than argue my actual point? There's more than one Abu Hamza if you'll research.

Of course you named yourself Abu Hamza after the Abu Hamza that owns a chip shop in Leytonstone didn't you?

I think probably not.....You wanted to shock research it, I dare you.

But why was it raised? Cheap shot? Couldn't argue my point? Why? What relevance does it have to this discussion?"

Actually it's not a cheap shop for many on here who have friends and family serving their country in Afghanistan, you named yourself after the Hooked One because you thought it would be bit of a laugh....for many it's not a bit of a laugh at all.

You must have guessed that some might find it deeply offensive....

Anyway I have made my point, and I'll leave it at that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry, didn't see this thread. I'll repost in here. brb...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why name yourself after a Muslim Cleric who advocates the slaughter of British troops?

Did you think about it before deciding?

Or are you a fan?

What's that got to do with the discussion? potential ff topic cheap shot rather than argue my actual point? There's more than one Abu Hamza if you'll research.

Of course you named yourself Abu Hamza after the Abu Hamza that owns a chip shop in Leytonstone didn't you?

I think probably not.....You wanted to shock research it, I dare you.

But why was it raised? Cheap shot? Couldn't argue my point? Why? What relevance does it have to this discussion?"

I've googled Abu Hamza, the first three pages threw up the hook handed one, and I can't be arsed trawling through the rest. Give me a clue as to who you are referring to and I'll do a bit more reading. I'm not digging you out here, I'm genuinely interested as to who this other fella is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why name yourself after a Muslim Cleric who advocates the slaughter of British troops?

Did you think about it before deciding?

Or are you a fan?

What's that got to do with the discussion? potential ff topic cheap shot rather than argue my actual point? There's more than one Abu Hamza if you'll research.

Of course you named yourself Abu Hamza after the Abu Hamza that owns a chip shop in Leytonstone didn't you?

I think probably not.....You wanted to shock research it, I dare you.

But why was it raised? Cheap shot? Couldn't argue my point? Why? What relevance does it have to this discussion?

You must have guessed that some might find it deeply offensive....

Anyway I have made my point, and I'll leave it at that."
So we've established you're point has no relevance to this topic? Politics and question dodging, I'm not surprised.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"3million immigrants since 1997 Why if we have no jobs for them?

Can any1 tell me When immigrants enter uk is the head of house hold only counted"

I love it when people almost mention immigrants when talking about his discussion because they always forget one thing...

There are 4.5 million uk nationals and citizens working abroad.... what do you send all those people home and you are still 1.5 million people up...

anyway... cost cuts.... this will make me popular...

I never did get the point of child benefit being universal.. do people at the top really need it? so for example, if you are on the higher tax band, or a joint income would take you into "high tax band land" eg £37.5k, I would take it away......

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Who said the driver used the mobility vehicle to drive to work, the car could be used in the evenings/weekends WITH the child."

ehh you did???? in the part what if the parents use the car for work????xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The other thread got way too big cos of all the quoting of long passages of text, so if you want to quote a part of someone's post please take out anything that isn't relevant. I know we've all got lots to say and it's a great debate but there's no real need for quote and requote of the same long paragraphs. Thanks.

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"From Pt.VI - Rugby said:

Lots of people have to travel for work......if they don't want to do the job, they could look for another.

True, many do, I am one of them, and if I had to pay for my own hotel & food it wouldn't be worthwhile me working. Plus, my company are making a lot of money for the work that I do and if I am required to work away for weeks on end, staying in room of a hotel and away from my family then they should pay a premium for that.

Politician's are no different and I don't subscribe to the idea that they should stay in the cheapest accomodation available. If they are meeting with their foreign counterparts I don't think it comes across very well as being the poor relation. In sensitive negotiations one needs to be alert and on the ball and a perception that the 'Brit is a cheapy' doesn't put our people on a sound footing to begin with.

"From Pt.VI - Rugby said:

It doesn't really answer the question though? If they are getting Mobility allowance for helping their child be mobile, then why the need for a council to pay someone to take them to school? Isn't that a double whammy?

Don't get me wrong, anyone who is disabled should in my opinion claiming for every thing they are entitled too, but this is getting something twice.

If an adult and a child in the same household are both registered as disabled then surely they are both entitled to help from the state. One is an adult and thus can drive, the other a child and cannot. Benefits must reflect that I would think, the adult entitled to a mobility car and the child for contract hire. The govt has met it's obligation to both citizens and is happy for them to organise their own lives as best suits them. That makes sense to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who said the driver used the mobility vehicle to drive to work, the car could be used in the evenings/weekends WITH the child.

ehh you did???? in the part what if the parents use the car for work????xx"
No I didn't, I said the parent could be at work and unavailable to drive the mobility vehicle during work hours.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"3million immigrants since 1997 Why if we have no jobs for them?

Can any1 tell me When immigrants enter uk is the head of house hold only counted

I love it when people almost mention immigrants when talking about his discussion because they always forget one thing...

There are 4.5 million uk nationals and citizens working abroad.... what do you send all those people home and you are still 1.5 million people up...

anyway... cost cuts.... this will make me popular...

I too think that Child Benefit should be means tested, along with Winter Fuel Allowance for the elderly.

Child Tax Credits and Working Families Tax Credits should have a threshold set at £37.5k as well....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who said the driver used the mobility vehicle to drive to work, the car could be used in the evenings/weekends WITH the child.

ehh you did???? in the part what if the parents use the car for work????xxNo I didn't, I said the parent could be at work and unavailable to drive the mobility vehicle during work hours."
so the bus in needed, I understand how it was misunderstood.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The other thread got way too big cos of all the quoting of long passages of text, so if you want to quote a part of someone's post please take out anything that isn't relevant. I know we've all got lots to say and it's a great debate but there's no real need for quote and requote of the same long paragraphs. Thanks.

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From Pt.VI - Rugby said:

Lots of people have to travel for work......if they don't want to do the job, they could look for another.

From Pt.VI - Rugby said:

Don't get me wrong, anyone who is disabled should in my opinion claiming for every thing they are entitled too, but this is getting something twice.

too sensible wishy!! we want minimum state interference but we want everything thats goin too!!

im not sure of the exact amount that gets paid out on contracts but i made 500 quid a wk from it for 3 hrs work each day not takin into account the cost of license,diesel etc but its a lot of money when you think of the amount spent when in somecases there is a car and driver sittin at the door!!

my local authority is great at wastin money 50k on a lump of grass for inside the local musuem but we got a list of old folks waitin for adaptions to their houses or being told they cant get a home help xx

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

The point wasn't about the Mobility component award for the child so much as the fact that the State is paying a rate of £70 plus Vat a day to have the child driven Six miles to school and back again.

The government pays the mother an award of approx £49 a week as the mobility component of DLA, the child has no problem with mobility Wishy...the child has learning problems and mild Autism.

The child runs around like a screaming banshee throughout the school holidays so mobility certainly isn't an issue.

This child runs more in a day than Forrest Gump did in his lifetime!

The Government also pays the road tax for the vehicle for the child along with a Blue Badge.

The mother drives past the disabled childs school every day when she drop her other child off at school....it's a ridiculous waste of resources....and this is coming from someone who would defend the welfare state to the death....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Who said the driver used the mobility vehicle to drive to work, the car could be used in the evenings/weekends WITH the child.

ehh you did???? in the part what if the parents use the car for work????xxNo I didn't, I said the parent could be at work and unavailable to drive the mobility vehicle during work hours. so the bus in needed, I understand how it was misunderstood."

its not a bus its a private hire taxi, i explained on the other thread if you want to have a look. it used to be LA bus that did the run but they contracted out private to save money xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a school of thought that a new 'Citizens Army' or 'Citizens Workforce' could and should be established.

Maybe for a small premium on top of their Jobseekers the long term unemployed could be used to do some good in the country?

Isn't that the equivelent to slavery though, surely if jobs need done they should be created, lets all be honest here, some people who work get more benefits paid to them than those who don't, look at tax credits for example, theres millions of people in this country who work but are paid more benefits each week than they would get if they were on unemployment benefit.

It's about time the government gave employers incentives to employ the unemployed for a set period, tax breaks, part payment of wages etc, rather than contract them out to multi million pound contractors who let them build paper bridges and feed them coffee and bisciuts all day whilst browsing facebook

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

I made Cameron dead right on this...the Social Services budget got seriously out of control, or the way it was spent was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who said the driver used the mobility vehicle to drive to work, the car could be used in the evenings/weekends WITH the child.

ehh you did???? in the part what if the parents use the car for work????xxNo I didn't, I said the parent could be at work and unavailable to drive the mobility vehicle during work hours. so the bus in needed, I understand how it was misunderstood.

its not a bus its a private hire taxi, i explained on the other thread if you want to have a look. it used to be LA bus that did the run but they contracted out private to save money xx"
Well it must be case by case, we still have the disabled buses here. Maybe tax/cost breaks on their own car would be better than a new car every X amount of years. I still would prefer to make cuts elsewhere first. I.E this grass malarky!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

a lot of the problem was the cost savin measure of closing institutions and the legislation that came with it.

im all for care in the community and dont think anyone should be locked away and as many of you know, iv worked in care for years but the problem is care packages dont come cheap! i think they thought most people the families would take care of them but for lots of people they had been shoved away for that long that they had lost touch with family.

firstly there was gettin a tenancy in the social housing sector then furnishin a home then the care package itself last bit i worked for it was £20 n hr they received, the workers on bare minimum wage then the cost of social workers, benefits etc i dont think anyone ever accounted for just how much money was goin to be needed and to be honest i really dont know how they can cut that part xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Who said the driver used the mobility vehicle to drive to work, the car could be used in the evenings/weekends WITH the child.

ehh you did???? in the part what if the parents use the car for work????xxNo I didn't, I said the parent could be at work and unavailable to drive the mobility vehicle during work hours. so the bus in needed, I understand how it was misunderstood.

its not a bus its a private hire taxi, i explained on the other thread if you want to have a look. it used to be LA bus that did the run but they contracted out private to save money xx Well it must be case by case, we still have the disabled buses here. Maybe tax/cost breaks on their own car would be better than a new car every X amount of years. I still would prefer to make cuts elsewhere first. I.E this grass malarky!"

some LA's still use the buses for adults with learning disabilities and older folks to the resource centres but the majority contracted out most of the work to private firms in a cost cutting measure that backfired big time!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses, that a good way to start... NOT

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

jesus!! thats a bloody big cut!! why the hell are they still encouragin people to do nursing if there not goin to be a job at the end of it?? i know some go into private nursing but not as many as nhs xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine its going to be a nationwide thing for the nhs, the early blame will be aimed towards councils rather than the governments so a very easy target for cuts.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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From Pt.VI - Rugby said:

Lots of people have to travel for work......if they don't want to do the job, they could look for another.

From Pt.VI - Rugby said:

Don't get me wrong, anyone who is disabled should in my opinion claiming for every thing they are entitled too, but this is getting something twice.

We were not talking about an adult plus child being disabled in a household Wishy.

I was talking about a child who's Mobility allowance pays for a car that her parents use to transport their child about.

To then have a taxi being paid for by I am assuming council or LEA to take the child to school, then what is the Mobility car for? It is costing twice the money.

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By *illow and talkCouple over a year ago

nr glasgow

"Imagine its going to be a nationwide thing for the nhs, the early blame will be aimed towards councils rather than the governments so a very easy target for cuts."
over 3000 RBS job cuts announced by government owned bank this week

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

That's my argument too Rugby, I am a strong supporter of Social Welfare and the rights and suitable benefits for disabled people, but this woman (a very nice woman by the way) drives the car that the State pays £49 a week towards, pays the Tax for, past the special needs school to get her other child to their school.

I have even seen her on many mornings following the Taxi to the Special Needs school on her trip to the Private school which is on the same road.

It beggars belief, she has absolutely no excuse as she doesn't work.

Then you read about another poor soul who struggles to get DLA when he comes back from Afghanistan with terrible combat injuries....

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Imagine its going to be a nationwide thing for the nhs, the early blame will be aimed towards councils rather than the governments so a very easy target for cuts.over 3000 RBS job cuts announced by government owned bank this week

To me that's good housekeeping, they need to get the bank making sufficient money to pay hefty shareholders dividends to the government.

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

"I though everyone on job seekers allowance had to be seeking work and are forced into attending interviews that they have no skills for"

not in the least. i signed on for 6 months to get my NHI credits ( to which i was entitled after working 30 years )

they weren't in the least interested in a) helping me find me a job or b) asking what efforts i had made

they weren't very happy either when i said i can't sign next week when i'm on holiday in France.( booked and paid for a year earlier )

It turns out that had i not told them i would, in my naivety, been guilty of criminal fraud. jeez

all for a single guys total of £54 i think

now if only i had a sex change and a few kids.

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

"i get annoyed when I read about cutting civil service/public sector management. a proportion of that management is due to the necessity to monitor and manage performance, performance indicators, targets, etc, brought about by Thatcher's introduction of the Financial Mangement Initiative. I did my Master's dissertaion on this so I know what I'm talking about."

cut out the time wasted on pointless emails, both work and "funnies" and you've got yer 20% efficiency

i trust you got a 1st.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"That's my argument too Rugby, I am a strong supporter of Social Welfare and the rights and suitable benefits for disabled people, but this woman (a very nice woman by the way) drives the car that the State pays £49 a week towards, pays the Tax for, past the special needs school to get her other child to their school.

I have even seen her on many mornings following the Taxi to the Special Needs school on her trip to the Private school which is on the same road.

It beggars belief, she has absolutely no excuse as she doesn't work.

Then you read about another poor soul who struggles to get DLA when he comes back from Afghanistan with terrible combat injuries...."

Exactly what point I was trying to make but one I think I failed at.

I think they are just taking the piss, and the money could be spent on something else if eveyone who has Mobility cars used them for the purpose they are intended.

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

Government statistics, taking the piss?

for example,

a few years ago i completed an annual ONS business form, maybe 4 sides, five mins to complete

couple years later it expands to about 70 pages ( well a lot anyway ) , full of pointless questions, admin systems didnt even keep enough data to answer them, pointless waste

The census, whilst a good thing,:

i heard that the next one, 2011 is it?, it was suggested that you had to list all those "other people" that had stayed in your house overnight. What the FUCK for?

I even read that you can now do degrees in pointless governmental interference schemes, sorry data collection, more than likely to create more of the same

get cracking Dave and team is what i say

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

im the same, im all for wefare etc at decent levels but some people just rip the hole outta of it!!x

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

I would cut back on family allowance or what ever its called nowadays. Everyone with a child/children is in automatic receipt of it until there child/children leave school. Now many people rely on it but im sure people on over 40k per year dont. I would have a cut of point of income where your not in receipt not a low one but one where they dont need the money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i trust you got a 1st."

Actually, yes, I got a distinction and the highest mark ever seen in the Department for a postgraduate thesis.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The census, whilst a good thing,:

i heard that the next one, 2011 is it?, it was suggested that you had to list all those "other people" that had stayed in your house overnight. What the FUCK for?

Actually that's ALWAYS been the case in Censuses going back many years

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses, that a good way to start... NOT"

How the fook can that be attributed to a day old government? The planning for these job cuts must have been started months ago, under a LABOUR government.

If you're going to have a go at the government at least make sure it's the right one you're having a go at.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was talking about a child who's Mobility allowance pays for a car that her parents use to transport their child about.

To then have a taxi being paid for by I am assuming council or LEA to take the child to school, then what is the Mobility car for? It is costing twice the money."

Ok, I must have missed that bit, I thought both adult and child were receiving mobility benefits. If that's not the case then it should be looked at, as, like you say, it's a double hit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

next personal favourite of mine...... the amount spent on trivial things by LA's tea and bloody biscuits?? if i had a meetin at work we all chipped in and bought them!!

i know it sounds trivial but think of the amount of all the LA's across the country....!xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine its going to be a nationwide thing for the nhs, the early blame will be aimed towards councils rather than the governments so a very easy target for cuts.

over 3000 RBS job cuts announced by government owned bank this week

Would you mind clarifying where this has come from as I've searched google for '3,000 RBS jobs cut' and it was announced on the BBC website in November 2008.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7728596.stm

There is another reference to 9,000 worldwide jobs at RBS to be cut, but this was also on the BBC website on 7th April. Over a month ago.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7988002.stm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The census, whilst a good thing,:

i heard that the next one, 2011 is it?, it was suggested that you had to list all those "other people" that had stayed in your house overnight. What the FUCK for?

Actually that's ALWAYS been the case in Censuses going back many years"

Being our family's historian, the Census rule that all occupants should be listed that were in the house the night before the Census is a royal pain in the arse! People should give their normal place of residence and if they are visitors then that should be noted, along with their usual address.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

ok i must be the only sad git that likes the census and the statistics that come with it!! x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The fact is there is no incentives to go out and look for work Income support £300 a fortnight plus child benefits for two children plus rent paid and council tax paid for. You earn more on the social than you do having a part time job that fits around the kids.

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By *exeteraWoman over a year ago

Bridgend

"Imagine its going to be a nationwide thing for the nhs, the early blame will be aimed towards councils rather than the governments so a very easy target for cuts.

over 3000 RBS job cuts announced by government owned bank this week

Would you mind clarifying where this has come from as I've searched google for '3,000 RBS jobs cut' and it was announced on the BBC website in November 2008.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7728596.stm

There is another reference to 9,000 worldwide jobs at RBS to be cut, but this was also on the BBC website on 7th April. Over a month ago.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7988002.stm"

There was something about RBS job cuts in my mate's paper yesterday. The dogs have pissed over it so I can't double check sorry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"carryin on from wishys thread.....hey u never know maybe some political advisors on here and we can help them!!

If you refuse 2 work when capable your benefits are canceled .No more economic migrants .Illigals removed .better education and training for work for the young in schools better and more adult training ,therefor better equiped for work (no excuses)

Increase VAT to 20% a fair tax the more you spnd the more tax you pay ! Very fair!

No reduction in overses aid ,but monies to be put to better use any country devloping or stock piling nuclear weapons denied overseas aid

Withdraw from afganistan asap help develop that country take it outof the dark ages .

Stop exporting British jobs.

Cut waste in goverment .

Cut waste in coucils .

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By *exeteraWoman over a year ago

Bridgend

"The fact is there is no incentives to go out and look for work Income support £300 a fortnight plus child benefits for two children plus rent paid and council tax paid for. You earn more on the social than you do having a part time job that fits around the kids."

Yep, living on benefits is a doddle.

I get the grand total of £65.45 a week, agreed I don't have to pay council tax (£14) per week. I'm also lucky enough to get £76 per week paid towards my mortgage. The shortfall each month for my mortgage is £373, DWP only pay for the original loan, silly me I built an extension to accommodate my disabled dad who moved in with me after my mum passed away and it also provided an additional downstairs loo as I have a back problem and Crohn's disease. This however I have to find myself. I also have a 17yr old daughter who is not in education but to her credit has spent the last year looking for work. I'm obviously not entitled to child benefit as she's no longer in scchool and not in further education but hey ho I have to provide for both of us out of £65.45 a week. Yes there probably are some jobs out there but no-one is going to take them if they're going to be worse off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Increase VAT to 20% a fair tax the more you spnd the more tax you pay ! Very fair!

The problem with VAT and with ALL indirect taxation is that everybody pays it, at equal amounts, whether they earn £100 per week or £10000 per week. ."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Withdraw from afganistan asap help develop that country take it outof the dark ages .

OK - we get out of Afghanistan - the Taliban take over - and then they take over in Pakistan - and Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Would you really like to see the Taliban with a nuclear capacity?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop exporting British jobs.

And who exports Britiah jobs? - why, it's the private sector looking to see where they can pay the lowest wages in sweatshops, etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses, that a good way to start... NOT

How the fook can that be attributed to a day old government? The planning for these job cuts must have been started months ago, under a LABOUR government.

If you're going to have a go at the government at least make sure it's the right one you're having a go at.

Who said they were made by a day old government? YOU? certainly wasn't me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses, that a good way to start... NOT

How the fook can that be attributed to a day old government? The planning for these job cuts must have been started months ago, under a LABOUR government.

If you're going to have a go at the government at least make sure it's the right one you're having a go at.

Who said they were made by a day old government? YOU? certainly wasn't me

You inferred it was a recent decision.

"Good way to start...NOT" - don't play word games with us, you know what you were trying to do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses, that a good way to start... NOT

How the fook can that be attributed to a day old government? The planning for these job cuts must have been started months ago, under a LABOUR government.

If you're going to have a go at the government at least make sure it's the right one you're having a go at.

Who said they were made by a day old government? YOU? certainly wasn't me

You inferred it was a recent decision.

"Good way to start...NOT" - don't play word games with us, you know what you were trying to do.

Thats because it was recent, they were told this morning, thought this was about cuts that are coming our way and not whos responsible for making them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses, that a good way to start... NOT

How the fook can that be attributed to a day old government? The planning for these job cuts must have been started months ago, under a LABOUR government.

If you're going to have a go at the government at least make sure it's the right one you're having a go at.

Who said they were made by a day old government? YOU? certainly wasn't me

You inferred it was a recent decision.

"Good way to start...NOT" - don't play word games with us, you know what you were trying to do.

Thats because it was recent, they were told this morning, thought this was about cuts that are coming our way and not whos responsible for making them."

So why make the inferrence then? Why didn't you just leave it at: "See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

as a lone parent i would rather work for 20 quid above benefits and have my pride than get called a scrounger and everythin else!!

i didnt have great qualifications when i left school but enough to get me a job and at 26 went into college done social care got a job went back to college done hnc in social care worked for a while then went to uni i believe that further education plays a very important role and should be accesible to all, why not cut the benefits replace them with bursary or somethin along those lines, and creche places in colleges/unis then that solves the childcare problem plus givin some kids a head start plus provides training for people who want to work in childcare, as well as providing jobs for teachin staff etc and providing a workforce thats qualified x

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

"See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses, that a good way to start... NOT"

Sad as it is, you can't blame DavNick for these cuts, they've been in planning for a long time and would've happened even if old Brownie had miraculously(sp?) got back in.

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

The census, whilst a good thing,:

i heard that the next one, 2011 is it?, it was suggested that you had to list all those "other people" that had stayed in your house overnight. What the FUCK for?

Actually that's ALWAYS been the case in Censuses going back many years"

has it fuck, ive never had to list overnight guests.

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

i trust you got a 1st.

Actually, yes, I got a distinction and the highest mark ever seen in the Department for a postgraduate thesis."

well done you, i think DavNick may have need for you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So why make the inferrence then? Why didn't you just leave it at: "See theres 1200 nhs jobs gone in Glasgow, over 600 of them nurses""

Because this thread is about cuts, these cuts started today, hence the, good way to start... NOT comment, and that's because we all knew they were coming, still not sure where you get the impression it was aimed at the new government, especially when it was the SNP that supposedly made these cuts supposedly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"as a lone parent i would rather work for 20 quid above benefits and have my pride than get called a scrounger and everythin else!!

What a good attitude i wish all were like you

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

"Stop exporting British jobs.

And who exports Britiah jobs? - why, it's the private sector looking to see where they can pay the lowest wages in sweatshops, etc"

jeezuz, your first and distinction were easily earned

education : case proven

i recalll a major welsh council "exported" it jobs, council tax collection and the like overseas.

what worth excessive data collection when it is so obviously wrong, by design?

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

Anyone else know of this, Bolton or Bury, perhaps peeps can clarify.

The family thought it so ridiculous THEY took it to the local paper.

A 14/15 yr old youth obtained a qualification for , wait for this, catching a bus.

His younger brother failed, apparently one requirement was to look out the window and observe. The youngster preferred his mp3.

If the cost of the qualification was a 50p certificate fair enough, but the cost to the public purse would have been hundreds if not thousands of pounds.

Over to you Mike, lancaster?

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

A popular suggestion?

Stop council busybodies including coppers pestering the likes of doggers.

I'm not a dogger, but if its out of the way, consensual then why not.

Might not save cash but it will release them for better tasks.

On a lighter note anyone see the homemade "tourist" sign for a dogging area recently, Gloucester way. Class.

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

"as a lone parent i would rather work for 20 quid above benefits and have my pride than get called a scrounger and everythin else!!

What a good attitude i wish all were like you

and if you can do it, wht cant thousands of todays youngsters?

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

Anyone mentionned paying £30 a week to kids to stay on at school?

That should save quite a few bob, there again tax takings on alcohol will go down a bit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone mentionned paying £30 a week to kids to stay on at school?

That should save quite a few bob, there again tax takings on alcohol will go down a bit."

why pay them, when they could just increase the leaving age to 18, but either way, you would need loads more schools and loads more teachers, that would increase spending rather than cut it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Anyone mentionned paying £30 a week to kids to stay on at school?

That should save quite a few bob, there again tax takings on alcohol will go down a bit."

the education maintenence allowance is a great thing i think personally, for kids in low income families it helps them stay on at school and get some standard grades or highers, whatever they call them now and they only get it weekly if they have attended all wk that 30 quid is a great help to some families and if it keeps them in school and not hangin about the streets all the better, and if it leads to further education possibly college or uni then its money well spent in my eyes anyway x

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Anyone mentionned paying £30 a week to kids to stay on at school?

That should save quite a few bob, there again tax takings on alcohol will go down a bit.

why pay them, when they could just increase the leaving age to 18, but either way, you would need loads more schools and loads more teachers, that would increase spending rather than cut it."

i think they should be able to leave at 14 if they goin on a vocational training course ie plumbing, electrician whatever, some kids dont do great in a school enviroment as they cant cope with the brain work but excell at other areas such as mechanical things etc xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone mentionned paying £30 a week to kids to stay on at school?

That should save quite a few bob, there again tax takings on alcohol will go down a bit.

why pay them, when they could just increase the leaving age to 18, but either way, you would need loads more schools and loads more teachers, that would increase spending rather than cut it.

I totally agree in theory, but if every unemployed person went to college and university we would need to build a few hundred more, learning is good, but once its finished, where would they find a job? It would be good getting 900,000 trained doctors, but not so when there’s only 100,000 vacancies to fill, would hate to get a diploma only to find i had to work in tescos because of the high mumbers of educated people in any given field and but not enough jobs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

fair point and thats how it is just now for some graduates even with good degrees like accountancy!!

there is always complaints that we have got a skills gap so maybe having the option could fill some of the gap im not sayin that everyone would want a degree or that education is for everyone but its always an option!

if i could find the magic solution for unemployment i would be worth millions lol xx

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By *exeteraWoman over a year ago

Bridgend

Anyone mentionned paying £30 a week to kids to stay on at school?

That should save quite a few bob, there again tax takings on alcohol will go down a bit.

why pay them, when they could just increase the leaving age to 18, but either way, you would need loads more schools and loads more teachers, that would increase spending rather than cut it.

A situation I remember well, my Aunt and her bf left Uni with degrees and both ended up working behind a bar as that was the only work they could find.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

I loved the bit about getting our troops out of Afghanistan and concentrating on helping the population.

It's a bit like all the old wives tales about us being there because the Americans want to build a major Gas Pipeline through the country.

We are there because if we do not fight the Taliban in Afghanistan now we will be fighting them in Pakistan within a couple of years when they overthrow the very fragile Pakistan government and military, which is already deeply infiltrated with extremists.

Then we will have a Taliban with Nuclear Weapons, Pakistan is estimated to have in excess of 60 Nuclear warheads.

Oh and regarding the Gas Pipeline.....going from where exactly, via Afghanistan to where exactly?

There is no pipeline....it's an urban myth.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

And throwing out all the illegal Immigrants.....Stop Press, there are an estimated One Million illegals in this country.....and we don't know who they are or where they are, so how the feck do we throw them out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone mentionned paying £30 a week to kids to stay on at school?

That should save quite a few bob, there again tax takings on alcohol will go down a bit.

why pay them, when they could just increase the leaving age to 18, but either way, you would need loads more schools and loads more teachers, that would increase spending rather than cut it.

Absolutely - gone have the times when intelligence was measured in the categories of language and maths alone. There is a lot of potential to be uncovered and nurtured in people who do NOT think conventionally, for example those with dyslexia and ADHD (sorry I have to mention it and I am only doing so to illustrate a point) but they would traditionally not do well in the traditional subjects and skills. I agree with you entirely

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And throwing out all the illegal Immigrants.....Stop Press, there are an estimated One Million illegals in this country.....and we don't know who they are or where they are, so how the feck do we throw them out?

I am legal - I promise!!!!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Stop exporting British Jobs?

These are the jobs of PRIVATE COMPANIES, no government has any power over where people like Dyson or Morphy Richards have there goods manufactured, it is there choice where to have stuff made as they own the companies...Not the government.

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By *ig badMan over a year ago

Up North :-)

Its the one think that makes me smile that. How can you throw them out if you have no idea who they are

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By *exeteraWoman over a year ago

Bridgend

Its the one think that makes me smile that. How can you throw them out if you have no idea who they are

You just ask them to hold their hands up lol

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By *UNCHBOXMan over a year ago

folkestone

"I loved the bit about getting our troops out of Afghanistan and concentrating on helping the population.

It's a bit like all the old wives tales about us being there because the Americans want to build a major Gas Pipeline through the country.

Then we will have a Taliban with Nuclear Weapons, Pakistan is estimated to have in excess of 60 Nuclear warheads.

Oh and regarding the Gas Pipeline.....going from where exactly, via Afghanistan to where exactly?

There is no pipeline....it's an urban myth.

Yes, but if Tony Blair went into Iraq and Afghanistan because of a perceived threat, why hasn't he also gone into Iran or North Korea?. Well dont bother answering that because we know why we went into Iraq - it's currently £1.20 a litre at my local garage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh and regarding the Gas Pipeline.....going from where exactly, via Afghanistan to where exactly?

There is no pipeline....it's an urban myth.

Correct, there is no pipeline, at the moment.

The original project for the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline (TAP) started in March 1995 when an inaugural memorandum of understanding between the governments of Turkmenistan and Pakistan for a pipeline project was signed. In August 1996, the Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd. (CentGas) consortium for construction of a pipeline, led by U.S. oil company, Unocal was formed. On 27 October 1997, CentGas was incorporated in formal signing ceremonies in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan by several international oil companies along with the Government of Turkmenistan. In January 1998, the Taliban, selecting CentGas over Argentinian competitor Bridas Corporation, signed an agreement that allowed the proposed project to proceed. In June 1998, Russian Gazprom relinquished its 10% stake in the project. Unocal withdrew from the consortium on 8 December 1998.

The new deal on the pipeline was signed on 27 December 2002 by the leaders of Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan. In 2005, the Asian Development Bank submitted the final version of a feasibility study designed by British company Penspen. ‘Since the US-led offensive that ousted the Taliban from power,’ reported Forbes in 2005, "the project has been revived and drawn strong US support" as it would allow the Central Asian republics to export energy to Western markets "without relying on Russian routes". Then-US Ambassador to Turkmenistan Ann Jacobsen noted that: "We are seriously looking at the project, and it is quite possible that American companies will join it." Due to increasing instability, the project has essentially stalled; construction of the Turkmen part was supposed to start in 2006, but the overall feasibility is questionable since the southern part of the Afghan section runs through territory which continues to be under de facto Taliban control.

On 24 April 2008, Pakistan, India and Afghanistan signed a framework agreement to buy natural gas from Turkmenistan.

So, yes, it doesn't exist, but it's no urban myth, it WILL exist once areas under Taliban control have been regained. Unless you mean that the urban myth is that it already exists, in which case please ignore my post lol

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

I am legal - I promise!!!! "

Over 16, well i never.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Its the one think that makes me smile that. How can you throw them out if you have no idea who they are

Make a national DNA data base with everyone on it, make everyone carry their ID card at all times, and have checks. If you don't have an ID card you get arrested, we will soon catch them all

Oh sorry we cant to that as Dave has scrapped ID cards to save money! LoL

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Its the one think that makes me smile that. How can you throw them out if you have no idea who they are

Make a national DNA data base with everyone on it, make everyone carry their ID card at all times, and have checks. If you don't have an ID card you get arrested, we will soon catch them all

Oh sorry we cant to that as Dave has scrapped ID cards to save money! LoL"

one of the few things i actually agree with him on!!

i have a driving licence with my photo and details on it, i have my passport with it on it, i have more form of id than i need and im not payin 90 quid for another piece of bloody plastic to clog up my purse with then god knows how much to replace it if i lose it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Make a national DNA data base with everyone on it, make everyone carry their ID card at all times, and have checks. If you don't have an ID card you get arrested, we will soon catch them all

Oh sorry we cant to that as Dave has scrapped ID cards to save money! LoL"

What great idea! Let's arrest anyone who doesn't have an ID card with them, say at Glastonbury for example..

Now, where shall we put them all whilst we check out their identity?

Wembley? Nice big area for holding thousands of people. That'll do nicely. Make a nice big concentration camp won't it.

Incidentally, do you agree that we should lock up their children with them too?

It's been Labour policy for years to lock up the children of illegal immigrants (one that the Conservatives are going to put an end to immediately).

There's nothing like a good old bit of neo-nazi roundups to start the day, is there. Wonderful stuff!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Make a national DNA data base with everyone on it, make everyone carry their ID card at all times, and have checks. If you don't have an ID card you get arrested, we will soon catch them all

Oh sorry we cant to that as Dave has scrapped ID cards to save money! LoL

What great idea! Let's arrest anyone who doesn't have an ID card with them, say at Glastonbury for example..

Now, where shall we put them all whilst we check out their identity?

Wembley? Nice big area for holding thousands of people. That'll do nicely. Make a nice big concentration camp won't it.

Incidentally, do you agree that we should lock up their children with them too?

It's been Labour policy for years to lock up the children of illegal immigrants (one that the Conservatives are going to put an end to immediately).

There's nothing like a good old bit of neo-nazi roundups to start the day, is there. Wonderful stuff!"

i totally disagree with the locking up of children in dungavel etc, but where are they to go?? seperate them from their parents even more trauma? where are they goin to be placed? social services at breaking point, plus not many will be culturally aware or speak the childs language?? special childrens homes for them whilst there parents are locked up elsewhere??

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xx"

Which puts the focus straight back on stopping them getting here in the first place. I'm in favour of processing centres in their countries of origin (I know we don't know where some of them come from but we have a pretty good guess, so we set up centres in all the known immigrant crossing hotspots).

This island cannot support a endless deluge of immigrants from the Eurozone forever - something will give first, and that's when the whole issue of whether we should be in Europe or out of it will really come to the fore.

Creaking NHS services, a huge increase in DSS payments - they all put a huge strain on an already empty public purse and I think the govt should not only cap the level of immigrants from non-Euro countries but inc the Eurozone too.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

the euro zone is "hands off" after lisbon mate ..

I wonder if Dave can get cleggy to agree to give us that referendum Dave was so keen to have when in opposition ..

i think not ...lol......

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

they will never change the eurozone as it would damage us as a country both financially and other ways!

there no doubt kids being locked up is wrong i totally abhorr the idea, but they need to be with their parents and most centres are only meant to be for a short time until they are removed.

its the ones who have been here for years waitin on a decision, living in communities, making links in these communities, being educated and then woken with a dawn raid and placed in these centres for undeterminable length of time its wrong! the full system needs an overhaul xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Welfare cycle of life I have just ran into a friend from school she has 6 children all raised on welfare and she just informs me that her 15 year old is pregnant proud as punch showing me the scan. Why dont the government put a cap on baby farming.

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"Welfare cycle of life I have just ran into a friend from school she has 6 children all raised on welfare and she just informs me that her 15 year old is pregnant proud as punch showing me the scan. Why dont the government put a cap on baby farming."

a friend of mine proudly announced earlier this year that she is now a grandmother, she's only 36

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a friend of mine proudly announced earlier this year that she is now a grandmother, she's only 36

i would actually die of embarrasement!!

there was a woman in hospital with me child number 7!! father number 5! neither worked a day in their life and were better dressed than me!!

the welfare state needs reigning in but how do we do it?? xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

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"pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

how is uncle adolph these days??? xxx

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"pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

hahaha, running with you

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"pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

how is uncle adolph these days??? xxx

forced sterilisation is an idea hitler poached from the USA

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"pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

how is uncle adolph these days??? xxx

forced sterilisation is an idea hitler poached from the USA"

after the last few mornings watchin jeremy kyle im comin round to the idea......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

how is uncle adolph these days??? xxx

forced sterilisation is an idea hitler poached from the USA

after the last few mornings watchin jeremy kyle im comin round to the idea......

xx"

i thought just one episode would have been enough

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

how is uncle adolph these days??? xxx

forced sterilisation is an idea hitler poached from the USA

after the last few mornings watchin jeremy kyle im comin round to the idea......

i thought just one episode would have been enough

what can i say?? im a glutton for punishment!!

one way to help cut unemployment put it on every channel for 12 hrs a day!! x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"what can i say?? im a glutton for punishment!!

one way to help cut unemployment put it on every channel for 12 hrs a day!! x

Yeap, that would deffo get you off the couch and job hunting

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"pssst... forced sterilisation of child who don't pass their sats.

{runs for cover} hehehe

how is uncle adolph these days??? xxx

forced sterilisation is an idea hitler poached from the USA

after the last few mornings watchin jeremy kyle im comin round to the idea......

i thought just one episode would have been enough

what can i say?? im a glutton for punishment!!

one way to help cut unemployment put it on every channel for 12 hrs a day!! x

The suicide rate would increase twenty fold...problem solved...unless it provides more reason for him to drag toothless hillbillies on to his show to humiliate them on national tv

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

disclaimer at bottom sayin if you appear you get shot after the show.... its a winner!!! xx

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