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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ok. another politics thread, sorry, but bear with me please..
We want someone who can lead the country, yes?
Someone who can best serve our interest both home and abroad, yes?
Someone ruthless enough to bend his opponents over the electoral table and give them a right good shafting, yes?
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Nick Clegg.
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I'm not attacking him, I've just been thinking about the whole election fiasco and who will deal with who and who said what blah-di-blah di-blah... and it all come down to Clegg.
Who in the Liberal Party can withstand him? Nobody.
Who in the Labour Party can stop him? Not even Brown - the Prime Minister, no less!
Who wins an election and STILL isn't PM because of Clegg?
We ignore this guy at our peril.
A complete turnabout I know but I've been trying to pigeonhole Clegg since I first saw him on TV and I couldn't, which is why I couldn't vote for him. But I got him now, I know his measure, I see his cut. He is a ruthless bastard in every sense of the word and he's played Cameron and Brown like a fookin Pro.
If he goes to his MPs and tells them what they are going to do, not one of them will have the balls to say no to him, neither do Labour and, it seems, Cameron.
Fuck.
Why didn't I see it before! |
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Don't know if you noticed but a lot of the new MP's , and a few old ones, don't have balls fullstop.
Or maybe we should just hire in Salin Plain for a three year stint?
At $100,000 per 45 mins, she can't be any more costly that Blair/Brown/Darling.
And you just know that one week in four some fookers for the high jump. Greece this month, Africa (*) next month who knows? (*) i beleive she thinks that is a country. |
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Who knows, am so fooked off by the rejection of Gord, shall we elect Paxman or Clarkson? They've got as much experience as Clegg and Cameron but bigger balls!! Ooohh, gonna miss Gord!  |
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We could parachute Lady Thatch in for that odd week, I mean, she's well past hormonal now, so Poland is safe, and if she's kept her fighting edge she'll be even more pissed off that people don't see her as a woman anymore... Lady Thatch for Personal Undersecretary to Clegg the Kingmaker!  |
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"the job of pm needs doing
If anyone of you fells can do a better job, get yaself elected
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thats it, that's what's been missing.
T , not Mrs T but
PM T
you say jump, i shriek how high
sorted.
just an observation but i dont see a queue to fuck with Ms Merkel.
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"We could parachute Lady Thatch in for that odd week, I mean, she's well past hormonal now, so Poland is safe, and if she's kept her fighting edge she'll be even more pissed off that people don't see her as a woman anymore... Lady Thatch for Personal Undersecretary to Clegg the Kingmaker! "
she's had a stroke
I would stroke her with a missile or 2 |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"the job of pm needs doing
If anyone of you fells can do a better job, get yaself elected
thats it, that's what's been missing.
T , not Mrs T but
PM T
you say jump, i shriek how high
sorted.
just an observation but i dont see a queue to fuck with Ms Merkel.
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"We could parachute Lady Thatch in for that odd week, I mean, she's well past hormonal now, so Poland is safe, and if she's kept her fighting edge she'll be even more pissed off that people don't see her as a woman anymore... Lady Thatch for Personal Undersecretary to Clegg the Kingmaker! "
Thing is, does lady thatch have any thatch left, i bet she barely needs to shave or veet these days. |
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who elected brown?,a tony(the phoney blair)puppet!,labour were reported to have had a landslide majority when phoney tony the phoney was elected in 1997 but cameron got more votes than he ever did in 2010 yet lefties are still a moaning and a groaning about unfair representation!.daft pratts!. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We could parachute Lady Thatch in for that odd week, I mean, she's well past hormonal now, so Poland is safe, and if she's kept her fighting edge she'll be even more pissed off that people don't see her as a woman anymore... Lady Thatch for Personal Undersecretary to Clegg the Kingmaker!
Thing is, does lady thatch have any thatch left, i bet she barely needs to shave or veet these days."
Nah, at her age, when ya hubby dies so does ya pubes as nature knows full well that the only prick daft enough to try n get in there is one who been there at least twice already. |
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"Don't know if you noticed but a lot of the new MP's , and a few old ones, don't have balls fullstop.
Or maybe we should just hire in Salin Plain for a three year stint?
At $100,000 per 45 mins, she can't be any more costly that Blair/Brown/Darling.
And you just know that one week in four some fookers for the high jump. Greece this month, Africa (*) next month who knows? (*) i beleive she thinks that is a country."
Self correction, i meant Sarah Palin, but you knew that. It's late. |
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"oh dear another tory right winger
here goes the health service, public services galore will all disappear
Tories have private member clubs they dont need social anything"
And what's wrong with paying for better treatment if you can afford it. Or maybe there are a lot of lottery millionaires who don't fly out to geneva for specialist healthcare brought on by consuming copious amounts of Champers whilst betraying their working class roots cos they told loads of people - who never really spoke to them anyways but suddenly were their bestest friend in the whole wide world - to fuck off! |
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"who elected brown?,a tony(the phoney blair)puppet!,labour were reported to have had a landslide majority when phoney tony the phoney was elected in 1997 but cameron got more votes than he ever did in 2010 yet lefties are still a moaning and a groaning about unfair representation!.daft pratts!."
This is the first post I have taken personal offence to! Brown loathed Phoney Tony for a decade or more, once he totally got the phoneyness! And actually no-one in the party opposed his leadership. ok by default but remember so was Blair cos he inherited the lovely John Smith's mantle; had there been a natural successor to John Smith then it would have been Gordy first off!
And again and again and again, we do not elect a politcial pary leader, unless we belong to that party! This is not USA, we elect a party and did and he came to lead it when phoney Tony realised he was hated here but could earn millions monthly doing something else and talking about it! Gordon never lied, was an ordinary lad, an ordinary man! |
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"who elected brown?,a tony(the phoney blair)puppet!,labour were reported to have had a landslide majority when phoney tony the phoney was elected in 1997 but cameron got more votes than he ever did in 2010 yet lefties are still a moaning and a groaning about unfair representation!.daft pratts!.
This is the first post I have taken personal offence to! Brown loathed Phoney Tony for a decade or more, once he totally got the phoneyness! And actually no-one in the party opposed his leadership. ok by default but remember so was Blair cos he inherited the lovely John Smith's mantle; had there been a natural successor to John Smith then it would have been Gordy first off!
And again and again and again, we do not elect a politcial pary leader, unless we belong to that party! This is not USA, we elect a party and did and he came to lead it when phoney Tony realised he was hated here but could earn millions monthly doing something else and talking about it! Gordon never lied, was an ordinary lad, an ordinary man!"
a deluded man. that is his folly. |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"who elected brown?,a tony(the phoney blair)puppet!,labour were reported to have had a landslide majority when phoney tony the phoney was elected in 1997 but cameron got more votes than he ever did in 2010 yet lefties are still a moaning and a groaning about unfair representation!.daft pratts!.
This is the first post I have taken personal offence to! Brown loathed Phoney Tony for a decade or more, once he totally got the phoneyness! And actually no-one in the party opposed his leadership. ok by default but remember so was Blair cos he inherited the lovely John Smith's mantle; had there been a natural successor to John Smith then it would have been Gordy first off!
And again and again and again, we do not elect a politcial pary leader, unless we belong to that party! This is not USA, we elect a party and did and he came to lead it when phoney Tony realised he was hated here but could earn millions monthly doing something else and talking about it! Gordon never lied, was an ordinary lad, an ordinary man!
a deluded man. that is his folly."
again just your opinion
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By (user no longer on site)
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"oh dear another tory right winger
here goes the health service, public services galore will all disappear
Tories have private member clubs they dont need social anything
And what's wrong with paying for better treatment if you can afford it. Or maybe there are a lot of lottery millionaires who don't fly out to geneva for specialist healthcare brought on by consuming copious amounts of Champers whilst betraying their working class roots cos they told loads of people - who never really spoke to them anyways but suddenly were their bestest friend in the whole wide world - to fuck off!"
Can't quite book in when you have a heart attack out of the blue though as my tory, loaded, ex did!  |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"oh dear another tory right winger
here goes the health service, public services galore will all disappear
Tories have private member clubs they dont need social anything
And what's wrong with paying for better treatment if you can afford it. Or maybe there are a lot of lottery millionaires who don't fly out to geneva for specialist healthcare brought on by consuming copious amounts of Champers whilst betraying their working class roots cos they told loads of people - who never really spoke to them anyways but suddenly were their bestest friend in the whole wide world - to fuck off!"
I have private health care
I have no objection to it
But I also pay all of my taxes to pay for people less well off unlike the majority of british millionaires
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Can't quite book in when you have a heart attack out of the blue though as my tory, loaded, ex did! "
He knew when he was about to have a heart attack? Or did his privaste healthcare specialist warn him to lay off the golf and brandy or book in for a check up... or did he just book in anyway, you know, like you do with a car, its due a service so you get it serviced - why not with your own body, its common sense isn't it? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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But I also pay all of my taxes to pay for people less well off unlike the majority of british millionaires
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You pay your taxes because you have to, same as the rest of us, so don't tell me do do it in some altruistic display of human kindness. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can't quite book in when you have a heart attack out of the blue though as my tory, loaded, ex did!
He knew when he was about to have a heart attack? Or did his privaste healthcare specialist warn him to lay off the golf and brandy or book in for a check up... or did he just book in anyway, you know, like you do with a car, its due a service so you get it serviced - why not with your own body, its common sense isn't it?"
Did wonder if that would be mis-read! No of course, he was daft enough to drive himself to nearest NHS hospital, but it was them that did everthing for him!
But an educated man with a good income who's first wife just died of sirrhosis and who still drinks and smokes? Peeps learn lessons? I really don't think so!  |
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But I also pay all of my taxes to pay for people less well off unlike the majority of british millionaires
You pay your taxes because you have to, same as the rest of us, so don't tell me do do it in some altruistic display of human kindness."
I know quite a few people who don't pay anywhere near the amount of tax that, morally speaking, they should. Most are IT contractors who pay themselves the minimum wage so as to reduce their income tax and instead pay themselves a dividend each year... they pay considerably less corporation tax than they would pay income tax.
It's not illegal but I consider it to be somewhat immoral. |
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13 years of good old labour rule and we are reduced to third world status!.
i rememember a pop(ish)group being adopted by labour as they had a song out called"things can only get better!" but they did not!,they inherited a very healthy economy and just abused it!.
in 1980s pop/rock musicians being arty/farty labour supporters,ie wasting money. declared the support for labour,like "the beat"with the song "stand down margaret" about mrs thatcher,paul weller another labour man,billy "the slag" bragg,but this past 13 years they have been politically silent!.
why?.
they should have been marching up and down whitehall condemning an inept bunch of wimps in government surely?.
what about the construction workers on humberside?,om immingham sites?,and the construction workers involved in "british jobs for british workers" demos on newark,notts power station?,they were probably told that they should vote labour like their fathers and forefathers before them and why?,does it help help them in obtaining work in the homeland before poles,somalians,and east europeans?,,does it heck as like!.
brown and his labour cronies have got they're money covered and could not care less about british(ney english)workers!.
think on suckers!. |
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what investments in british industries have tony "the phoney" blair,jacky smith,harriet harman,hazel blears and co made in britain with the "ill gotten gains from expenses for second homes and illegal expenses"?,or have the recent banner headlines from the daily mirror seriously clouded your judgement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"13 years of good old labour rule and we are reduced to third world status!.
i rememember a pop(ish)group being adopted by labour as they had a song out called"things can only get better!" but they did not!,they inherited a very healthy economy and just abused it!.
in 1980s pop/rock musicians being arty/farty labour supporters,ie wasting money. declared the support for labour,like "the beat"with the song "stand down margaret" about mrs thatcher,paul weller another labour man,billy "the slag" bragg,but this past 13 years they have been politically silent!.
why?.
they should have been marching up and down whitehall condemning an inept bunch of wimps in government surely?.
what about the construction workers on humberside?,om immingham sites?,and the construction workers involved in "british jobs for british workers" demos on newark,notts power station?,they were probably told that they should vote labour like their fathers and forefathers before them and why?,does it help help them in obtaining work in the homeland before poles,somalians,and east europeans?,,does it heck as like!.
brown and his labour cronies have got they're money covered and could not care less about british(ney english)workers!.
think on suckers!."
Who the freak think opened an uncloseable market? But who do you think encouraged an unsustainable housing growth? We can't keep doing services when we fooked our own indusries ffs. if you don't pay anyone, who they gonna buy a house! And to fook with discerning between English and British, do you not think they cried as hard in Wales and Scotland when they were crushed???????? |
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"what investments in british industries have tony "the phoney" blair,jacky smith,harriet harman,hazel blears and co made in britain with the "ill gotten gains from expenses for second homes and illegal expenses"?,or have the recent banner headlines from the daily mirror seriously clouded your judgement."
It was known mines would be unopenable cos of gases once closed; it was not necessary to close them other than for that bitch to prove her point! Meantime, globaliation, we all want cheap, does good matter? Of course it does, but all you can get is cheap! |
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yes go to bed!,bury your head in the sand!,the deed has been done and now we have to start from scratch and re-build what was once "great britain"in the hope that we might reach the pinnacle of average britain in 20 yrs time!,it willtake at least twice the time to rebuild in what it took labour to destroy!.
think on children,but dont let labour lefties get into your minds!. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"who elected brown?,a tony(the phoney blair)puppet!,labour were reported to have had a landslide majority when phoney tony the phoney was elected in 1997 but cameron got more votes than he ever did in 2010 yet lefties are still a moaning and a groaning about unfair representation!.daft pratts!.
This is the first post I have taken personal offence to! Brown loathed Phoney Tony for a decade or more, once he totally got the phoneyness! And actually no-one in the party opposed his leadership. ok by default but remember so was Blair cos he inherited the lovely John Smith's mantle; had there been a natural successor to John Smith then it would have been Gordy first off!
And again and again and again, we do not elect a politcial pary leader, unless we belong to that party! This is not USA, we elect a party and did and he came to lead it when phoney Tony realised he was hated here but could earn millions monthly doing something else and talking about it! Gordon never lied, was an ordinary lad, an ordinary man!
a deluded man. that is his folly.
again just your opinion
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Of course your opinion is always right! labour have ruined this country since they came to power ! Where did they get 8 million people stupid enough to vote for them ? Imported them |
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Just a thought _arambar.
How immoral was it that a lot of MP's from all parties flipped their second homes to avoid taxes? Barely legal at that.
And yet, who were the idiots that by and large voted them back in? On the whole , we were.
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I'm far 2 right wing 2 hug namby pamby lib , as for lab pass my gun!
Clegg doing whats best for libs not the counry just like every other party puts their party before the country!!!!! |
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labour will have many labour clubs all over the country to look after their own,they always do!,it helps to leads the blind to the vote!.
dont be fooled by the daily mirror re-scholing!,many labour ministers were privately educated but to read the daily mirror david cameron committed a crime being educated!,i therefore do not trust what i read in the daily mirror.
do not let it fool you!. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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But I also pay all of my taxes to pay for people less well off unlike the majority of british millionaires
You pay your taxes because you have to, same as the rest of us, so don't tell me do do it in some altruistic display of human kindness.
I know quite a few people who don't pay anywhere near the amount of tax that, morally speaking, they should. Most are IT contractors who pay themselves the minimum wage so as to reduce their income tax and instead pay themselves a dividend each year... they pay considerably less corporation tax than they would pay income tax.
It's not illegal but I consider it to be somewhat immoral."
Is it bollocks. We have no holiday pay, no sickness pay and when times are hard we're the first out on our arses. We have to bid job for job and hope some Polish economic regugee hasn't gone in so low we can't compete. We earn our dosh when we work and successive governments value the fact that without British self-employed workforce you wouldn't have the high speed broadband that you enjoy, or the cable TV on demand that you rely on to watch Britain's Got Talent! You wanna know whrere Britain's talent really is? Go out and see the guys laying cables up and down the country, working up pylons in blizzards, freezing their fingers off in December repairing broken main trunk cables that a fucking agency foreigner has chopped through because he couldn't be arsed to dig around or under it.. Don't talk to me about minimising one's tax liability whilst mxaimising one's spending power, as that is the bedrock upon what this country was once solid - only now has it been given away to the lazy, the inept and the weak by a government that has at it's heart a misguided belief that we are all equal - we're not, never have been, never will be, but as a British born and bred patriot I am all in favour of assisting those that cannot assist themselves, so long as my money goes to the people for which we were told it was going to, not some foreign migrant who got sold a dream in a shack in Srebrenica! |
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Woah... easy there, fella.
I wasn't being dismissive of the work that self-employed people do. My gripe is with those who abuse the IR35 rules.
I don't know many people who lay cables although I do know a couple who worked for NTL and now for Virgin Media. I don't know if they were self-employed but I do know that they definitely weren't fiddling the tax rules.
Just to clear up any confusion, I disagree with contractors who use an umbrella company to charge their client for their work. They then pay themselves the minimum wage (to reduce their PAYE income tax and NI contributions), pay themselves a tax-free dividend at the end of the year and then only have to pay corporation tax which is considerably lower than income tax & NI.
There's more info about it here... http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ir35/
I'm not commenting on their ability to do their jobs. I'm saying that abusing the IR35 loophole is, in my opinion, wrong.
Just for the record, I work in IT too. I'm a permie and could earn much more money as a contractor (I'm in a very specialised area). It's not sour grapes on my part though. If I decide to go contracting then I'll be paying my income tax just like I do as a permie.
Hope that clears things up. |
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"Woah... easy there, fella.
I wasn't being dismissive of the work that self-employed people do. My gripe is with those who abuse the IR35 rules.
I don't know many people who lay cables although I do know a couple who worked for NTL and now for Virgin Media. I don't know if they were self-employed but I do know that they definitely weren't fiddling the tax rules.
Just to clear up any confusion, I disagree with contractors who use an umbrella company to charge their client for their work. They then pay themselves the minimum wage (to reduce their PAYE income tax and NI contributions), pay themselves a tax-free dividend at the end of the year and then only have to pay corporation tax which is considerably lower than income tax & NI.
There's more info about it here... http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ir35/
I'm not commenting on their ability to do their jobs. I'm saying that abusing the IR35 loophole is, in my opinion, wrong.
Just for the record, I work in IT too. I'm a permie and could earn much more money as a contractor (I'm in a very specialised area). It's not sour grapes on my part though. If I decide to go contracting then I'll be paying my income tax just like I do as a permie.
Hope that clears things up."
To abuse any tax loophole is wrong. End of! It's a very similar thing to what we just caught all those twats doing! Just pay what you have to on a monthly basis as PAYE workers have to! (Not specifically at anyone, just anyone who doesn't pay what they should!) |
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Clegg is a wanker.... simple.
He made a point of saying during the election campaign, when questioned about a possible hung parliament, that he would back the party with the majority of seats.
He also stated that if this were the case, proportional representation would not be a deal-breaker.
Now look at him try to wangle a better deal for the LibDems, cos he got one hand on the doorknob of number 10.
Brown is a fucking wanker too, he was never elected to be prime minister, has fucked the economy for the last decade, and now look at him, only decided to go because he was pushed, tried clinging onto power as long as possible, muddied the waters between the Tories and the LibDems when a deal to sort all this crap out was almost done and dusted.
They both claimed to want to do "whats best for the country".... while at the same time just grabbing what they can while they can.
Dave Cameron came across as being by far the best of the three to get this country back on its feet, his speech holding out a hand to the LibDems was open and honest, with no agenda except getting to work ASAP to sort the mess out.
And before anyone thinks I have an axe to grind, I didnt vote this time, as I was pissed off with all politicans because of the expences bollocks etc.
If I had voted, I would have voted for our local LibDem MP, who has done a great job in this area for the last two terms, even though I am a not a "natural" LibDem supporter. |
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Just to clear up any confusion, I disagree with contractors who use an umbrella company to charge their client for their work.
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If they used their brains and asked a few questions to the right people they can do it on their own without an umbrella company for around £500 per year less. |
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hahahhhaa!!! everyone made the mistake thinking clegg would just roll over to them and the man isnt daft he knows what he is doin!
you wanted rid of brown he helped with the push, now we just got to sit and wait and see what his next move is!
i would like to see maggie let loose for a wee while even i will say it as much as i loathe the woman she took no shit from no one especially no man! sadly i dont think she got much longer left in this world and im pretty sure satan is sittin in fear for her comin!
as iv said before im scottish so i may see things different from the english , but i predict very hard times ahead and the possibility of a double dip recession the housing market here still not movin and job still being lost and on a country that relies heavily on public sector jobs and also trident things arent looking good xx |
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Who are the big winners from this General Election?....
Anyone who favours PR.
The Lib Dems have played a fine hand, Clegg impressed many people during the debates and to boot he has won a form of PR for future elections.
Welcome to a lifetime of coalition governments.
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"Who are the big winners from this General Election?....
Anyone who favours PR.
The Lib Dems have played a fine hand, Clegg impressed many people during the debates and to boot he has won a form of PR for future elections.
Welcome to a lifetime of coalition governments.
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I'd go as far to say that I can see Clegg as PM one day. After the next election maybe. He's proved his mettle at this election and it looks like he's going to get some real experience in running a country. If he'll stick to his guns when fighting for British interests abroad in the same way he's stuck to his guns whilst negotiating with both Labour and the Tories then I think he'll do a good job as PM. |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
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But I also pay all of my taxes to pay for people less well off unlike the majority of british millionaires
You pay your taxes because you have to, same as the rest of us, so don't tell me do do it in some altruistic display of human kindness."
as anyone in business knows, you can claim an awful lot back
Plus as a businesswoman I get to go to places such as booker to buy n bulk and save me even more money.
So I like a lot of people in business, manage to pay less than some.
But its a sad thing for this country when rich billionaire pays less than I do to this country.
Tory are for keeping the rich richer and the poor poorer |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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Tory are for keeping the rich richer and the poor poorer
I guess we'll put that urban myth to the test pretty soon eh? "
Its not an urban myth
Besides we may still get a lib lad run country
Nothing is decided yet
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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago
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"Clegg is a wanker.... simple.
He made a point of saying during the election campaign, when questioned about a possible hung parliament, that he would back the party with the majority of seats.
He also stated that if this were the case, proportional representation would not be a deal-breaker.
Now look at him try to wangle a better deal for the LibDems, cos he got one hand on the doorknob of number 10.
Brown is a fucking wanker too, he was never elected to be prime minister, has fucked the economy for the last decade, and now look at him, only decided to go because he was pushed, tried clinging onto power as long as possible, muddied the waters between the Tories and the LibDems when a deal to sort all this crap out was almost done and dusted.
They both claimed to want to do "whats best for the country".... while at the same time just grabbing what they can while they can.
Dave Cameron came across as being by far the best of the three to get this country back on its feet, his speech holding out a hand to the LibDems was open and honest, with no agenda except getting to work ASAP to sort the mess out.
And before anyone thinks I have an axe to grind, I didnt vote this time, as I was pissed off with all politicans because of the expences bollocks etc.
If I had voted, I would have voted for our local LibDem MP, who has done a great job in this area for the last two terms, even though I am a not a "natural" LibDem supporter."
I have to disagree with you here, we do not elect a PM, we elect a party. The Labour party elect a Leader and if I'm correct no-one stood against Brown. I reiterate, each party elects or doesn't oppose who has put themselves forward for Leader of said party. If said party is elected and forms a government that Leader becomes PM. We do not live in America and therefore vote for the party we believe best meets our individual needs and DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT vote for a PM, we vote for a political party.
I believe Clegg is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't but the parties that are most similar re: manifestos are the Liberal Democrats and Labour, they are the parties with the most socialist values IMHO.
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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago
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"Who are the big winners from this General Election?....
Anyone who favours PR.
The Lib Dems have played a fine hand, Clegg impressed many people during the debates and to boot he has won a form of PR for future elections.
Welcome to a lifetime of coalition governments.
I'd go as far to say that I can see Clegg as PM one day. After the next election maybe. He's proved his mettle at this election and it looks like he's going to get some real experience in running a country. If he'll stick to his guns when fighting for British interests abroad in the same way he's stuck to his guns whilst negotiating with both Labour and the Tories then I think he'll do a good job as PM."
I think we may find that Clegg disappears in to the wilderness as there is a lot of dissent amongst LD members about the possibilty of getting in to bed with the Tories. LD's are a fickle bunch and I woudn't be surprised to see a new Leader elected in the near future. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think we may find that Clegg disappears in to the wilderness as there is a lot of dissent amongst LD members about the possibilty of getting in to bed with the Tories. LD's are a fickle bunch and I woudn't be surprised to see a new Leader elected in the near future."
I think over the course of this election - and the subsequent fallout from it's result - that Clegg has cemented himself as the voice and face of the LibDems in the mind of the public. Without him they are nothing. Not one of them has the charisma and leadership skills that Clegg has displayed. He will be very difficult to unseat as leader of the LDs. |
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"I think we may find that Clegg disappears in to the wilderness as there is a lot of dissent amongst LD members about the possibilty of getting in to bed with the Tories. LD's are a fickle bunch and I woudn't be surprised to see a new Leader elected in the near future.
I think over the course of this election - and the subsequent fallout from it's result - that Clegg has cemented himself as the voice and face of the LibDems in the mind of the public. Without him they are nothing. Not one of them has the charisma and leadership skills that Clegg has displayed. He will be very difficult to unseat as leader of the LDs."
I agree, the Lib Dems won't unseat Clegg as he is their only real hope. But it has to be said that should he become bed mates with the Conservatives (I believe the Lib Dems will enter into a coalition with the Tories) that he will face stiff opposition from many within his own party.
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And.....when the Lib Dems do marry up with the Tories they will be left looking silly when the Tories call a snap election before any PR (AV) referendum.
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"Who are the big winners from this General Election?....
Anyone who favours PR.
The Lib Dems have played a fine hand, Clegg impressed many people during the debates and to boot he has won a form of PR for future elections.
Welcome to a lifetime of coalition governments.
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PR- isn't that the process by which Hitler managed to get where he did? Z |
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He was insidious - sneaking about quietly garnering more and more power right under the noses of the guys above him until they had no choice but to go and leave him to it - he hung them out to dry so it's a pretty scary thought! Z |
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The Tories are offering a refrendum on AV within the full term of the next parliament, which is not strictly speaking PR in it's purest form.
Labour are offering immediate conversion to AV (Alternative Vote or Instant Run Off) with a further promise of a referendum on full PR (Mixed member proportional) within two years.
The danger for the Lib Dems is that they will set up with the Tories and then the Tories call a snap election when parliament returns from it's summer break.
Germany (West Germany) was forced by the Allies to take up PR after the war to stop a new rising of the National Socialists.
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