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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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"I still think we'll only miss the water when the well's run dry  "
I agree
He did well when other countries went bankrupt
It was banks in USA caused the problems not him
But I think Nick Clegg will temper the tories from becoming too right wing, one hopes anyways |
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By (user no longer on site)
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glad to see the back of him he has always been a liability what ever post he has held, and was never voted into power by the public.
on the other hand sometimes better the devil you know ..... |
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It was inevitable, Clegg wouldn't form an alliance with Labour all the time Brown was leader. The root and branch of the party never wanted Brown in the first place, the reformers in the party will probably want one of the Milliband brothers but the clever money will be on Alan Johnson.
And Brown was in all probability the best Chancellor this country has seen since the second world war, he was never going to b able carry that on to the Premiership which is why most Labour party members never wanted him as leader. |
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The early years of the Blair government saw record growth in the UK economy, not even Tories can argue that fact.
Even the most partizan Tory couldn't pick holes in the British finances between 1997 and 2001, it was why Blair was re-elected. |
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"I think he went 2yrs past his sell by date. So do we get Edd Balls next?"
Doubt it, Ed Balls is a close ally of Brown and not over popular....I think personally it will be either of the Milibands or Johnson, my preference would be Johnson. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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i was wonderin whos next for the poison chalice?
balls? milliband? darling??
possiblity of lib dems jumpin over to labour? snp and few others have? i need a life quickly this stuff is becomin too excitin!! xx 
how funny though to listen balls, darling and milliband lol!! xx |
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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whoever we have will not be chosen by the public but by the labour party themselves.
I think we may get a rank outsider, maybe even a women such as Gisela Stuart.
I would like to see Mandelson or Prescott try for leadership just for the sheer comical value of what the press would say  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I find that Alistair Darling inspires confidence just litsening to him speak. I think he's a fine Chancellor.
I will be very annoyed if Labour replaces their Leader, and elect a new Prime Minister by default, and then pursue a deal with the LibDems. If Clegg does a deal with Labour it will prove that all he said in the debates was nothing but soundbites and shows him as a man in pursuit of power above all else.
I most certainly do not want a SECOND Prime Minister that hasn't faced the electorate.
I hope Cameron decides to force a Conservative minority government and freeze Clegg out completely although it will mean another election in August in all probability. |
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"I find that Alistair Darling inspires confidence just litsening to him speak. I think he's a fine Chancellor.
I will be very annoyed if Labour replaces their Leader, and elect a new Prime Minister by default, and then pursue a deal with the LibDems. If Clegg does a deal with Labour it will prove that all he said in the debates was nothing but soundbites and shows him as a man in pursuit of power above all else.
I most certainly do not want a SECOND Prime Minister that hasn't faced the electorate.
I hope Cameron decides to force a Conservative minority government and freeze Clegg out completely although it will mean another election in August in all probability."
Sorry Wishy but we don't have a Presidency election in the UK we have a Parliamentary Party election system.
You don't vote for an individual leader you vote for your local MP's who represent their party.
I know that doesn't sit well with many, but it's a fact about the political system we have in this country. |
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I would like to see Mandelson or Prescott try for leadership just for the sheer comical value of what the press would say "
I thought Mandelson was the de-facto leader? He seemed to have a lot of say on whether they would keep Brown or not.
He's good on billionaire's yachts too i believe. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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its a shame more people didnt have the balls to vote lib dem, they have been in local power around here for years and have done a brill job, not saying they could run a country but either tory or labour have proved they cant do the job |
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You don't vote for an individual leader you vote for your local MP's who represent their party.
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And that is why we are all fucked.
Once elected, your MP represents all constituents of whatever colour, not their party, pocket or career.
Opps, silly me, this IS strong stuff.
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"I think he went 2yrs past his sell by date. So do we get Edd Balls next?
Doubt it, Ed Balls is a close ally of Brown and not over popular....I think personally it will be either of the Milibands or Johnson, my preference would be Johnson."
Brown didn't sit well with many of Labour's foot soldier's, his departure could well be a blessing in disguise, it's probably the best decision for the Labour party, it's probably the worst decision ever for Camera On and his cronies, bearing in mind, Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday 
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By (user no longer on site)
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i actually had dealings with Mandelson when I was working in the Civil Service and he's a very, very, VERY clever man - you underestimate him or slag him off at your peril |
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Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course "
Mandate from Scotland : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from Wales : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from England : Absolutely.
See, we're being fucked from all sides.
Change is very much needed but to what? Should be interesting.
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Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course
Mandate from Scotland : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from Wales : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from England : Absolutely.
See, we're being fucked from all sides.
Change is very much needed but to what? Should be interesting.
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"i actually had dealings with Mandelson when I was working in the Civil Service and he's a very, very, VERY clever man - you underestimate him or slag him off at your peril"
I agree entirely. Exceptionally clever man. Architect of NuLabour from pre-97 i believe.
Has it all ended in tears though?
Makes one wonder why Cameron doesn't just say fuck it, you made this mess, you sort it. |
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Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course
Mandate from Scotland : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from Wales : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from England : Absolutely.
See, we're being fucked from all sides.
Change is very much needed but to what? Should be interesting.
racist "
NO!!!
If the Scots want independence ( do they? ) you've got my vote. How can that be racist?
Good job i didn't mention mature, female and chubby scots innit? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And Brown was in all probability the best Chancellor this country has seen since the second world war,
Can i have some of what you're smoking or drinking please?
Strong stuff."
Not as strong as what your smoking. You can't see through the smog .....
Brown was bloody good just not a charismatic person ....... people would vote any idiot in as long as they took a liking to him. The electorate are myopic twonks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course
Mandate from Scotland : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from Wales : No way, never, ever.
Mandate from England : Absolutely.
See, we're being fucked from all sides.
Change is very much needed but to what? Should be interesting.
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you forgot northern ireland they still part of the union...so you shafted there too as i cant see any sinn fien parties jumpin in with tory! xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I find that Alistair Darling inspires confidence just litsening to him speak. I think he's a fine Chancellor.
I will be very annoyed if Labour replaces their Leader, and elect a new Prime Minister by default, and then pursue a deal with the LibDems. If Clegg does a deal with Labour it will prove that all he said in the debates was nothing but soundbites and shows him as a man in pursuit of power above all else.
I most certainly do not want a SECOND Prime Minister that hasn't faced the electorate.
I hope Cameron decides to force a Conservative minority government and freeze Clegg out completely although it will mean another election in August in all probability.
Sorry Wishy but we don't have a Presidency election in the UK we have a Parliamentary Party election system.
You don't vote for an individual leader you vote for your local MP's who represent their party.
I know that doesn't sit well with many, but it's a fact about the political system we have in this country."
So why did we have to sit through three Prime Ministerial debates then?
I think you'll find that the majority of the electorate voted for Brown, Cameron or Clegg in accordance with however their party loyalties lie. Many people could not even name the person on the ballot paper on which they placed their cross. You are correct in saying that we do not have a presidential election system in the UK, but it isn't far off it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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thats a major problem because its the leader charm and charisma most people vote for not the policies etc and its daft!
i would rather have someone who isnt good with people but has sense than some fanny that likely had acting and coachin lessons to play the part but hasnt a clue what they doin!
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I didn't forget em, i just daren't upset em.
Sinn Fein i agree, but they never take their seats or vote.
And one of the Unionist parties always sides with the Tories.
What absolutely flabbergasted me is that Robinson  guy.
No sooner had he been voted out than he stated that he would stay on as 1st minister. How the hell does that work?
Perhaps Gordon missed a trick after all? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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its certainly goin to be an interestin few days but i dont think whoever is the next pm etc is in for good times!! brown inherited blairs mess who inherited maggies mess that she inherited i cant remember that far back and not to mention the carry on with greece etc and the war that seems to have vanished recently! x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course "
What total bollocks.
Using that argument you are saying that when Blair won by a landslide in 1997 with only 41% of the total votes cast, that 59% of the electorate didn't want him as Prime Minister, and thus he had no mandate. You can't have it both ways, either a party wins or it doesn't, and in our system of election it is the party with the most seats - and in 2010 it is the Conservative Party. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"thats a major problem because its the leader charm and charisma most people vote for not the policies etc and its daft!
i would rather have someone who isnt good with people but has sense than some fanny that likely had acting and coachin lessons to play the part but hasnt a clue what they doin!
xx"
your starting to talk sense.get your act together,or get of this thread lol.ps theres people on here,who think president,and prime minister,are the same thing. |
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" brown inherited blairs mess "
And just who was B.Liars chancellor for 10 years?
Phoney Tony : Gordon, old chap, have we got several billion for an illegal war?
Gordon : No.
P. Tony : Oh shit, we'll have to say they had WMD then.
Gordon : I suppose we could borrow it.
And the public will blame Maggie and the American banks. Whizzo. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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and your point is?? each one inherits the mess from the last? not sayin gordon couldnt have done a better job there are some parts he seriously fucked up on i dont dispute that but the problem is we expect the next person to sort out the mess and have everythin roses when its a nigh on impossible job! on top of that the war we had to back america remember we have a "special relationship" xx |
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" Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course
What total bollocks"
He's not liked Wishy, there's no getting away from it, the majority of the public have some kind of issue with him and his puppet, Osborne  |
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" Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course
What total bollocks.
Using that argument you are saying that when Blair won by a landslide in 1997 with only 41% of the total votes cast, that 59% of the electorate didn't want him as Prime Minister, and thus he had no mandate. You can't have it both ways, either a party wins or it doesn't, and in our system of election it is the party with the most seats - and in 2010 it is the Conservative Party. "
Sorry Wishy but wrong again, in our system it isn't the party with the most votes....it's the party that wins a majority of seats in he house....and as we know the Tories didn't.
I have said it before (last Friday), after Thirteen years of a Labour government...MP's expenses...Iraq War...Massive UK defecit...The most unpopular Prime Minister for over 60 years...Mass Immigration....
Cameron must wonder with all this ammunition why the hell he never got the majority of seats he needed, you could have put Basil Brush up against Brown and he would have won a majority.
Sorry but the one thing that did come out of last weeks election was that after all these years there are a hell of a lot of British people who still haven't forgotten what the Tories did to this country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course
What total bollocks.
Using that argument you are saying that when Blair won by a landslide in 1997 with only 41% of the total votes cast, that 59% of the electorate didn't want him as Prime Minister, and thus he had no mandate. You can't have it both ways, either a party wins or it doesn't, and in our system of election it is the party with the most seats - and in 2010 it is the Conservative Party.
Sorry Wishy but wrong again, in our system it isn't the party with the most votes....it's the party that wins a majority of seats in he house....and as we know the Tories didn't.
I have said it before (last Friday), after Thirteen years of a Labour government...MP's expenses...Iraq War...Massive UK defecit...The most unpopular Prime Minister for over 60 years...Mass Immigration....
Cameron must wonder with all this ammunition why the hell he never got the majority of seats he needed, you could have put Basil Brush up against Brown and he would have won a majority.
Sorry but the one thing that did come out of last weeks election was that after all these years there are a hell of a lot of British people who still haven't forgotten what the Tories did to this country."
You've misread me Jane, I was arguing against _i 1 get 1 free's post that because Cameron didn't get 51% of the votes he doesn't have a mandate, and by that same argument, neither did Blair.
I also said at the end of my post that the party with the most seats wins.
"Sorry but the one thing that did come out of last weeks election was that after all these years there are a hell of a lot of British people who still haven't forgotten what the Tories did to this country."
And that's probably why Cameron fell just short of an overall majority. Clearly he's won over some of those sceptical voters who remember the Thatcher years as painful ones but he just didn't quite manage to convert enough of them. |
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" Camera On didn't receive a mandate from the Country last Thursday
Just my opinion of course
What total bollocks.
Using that argument you are saying that when Blair won by a landslide in 1997 with only 41% of the total votes cast, that 59% of the electorate didn't want him as Prime Minister, and thus he had no mandate. You can't have it both ways, either a party wins or it doesn't, and in our system of election it is the party with the most seats - and in 2010 it is the Conservative Party.
Sorry Wishy but wrong again, in our system it isn't the party with the most votes....it's the party that wins a majority of seats in he house....and as we know the Tories didn't.
I have said it before (last Friday), after Thirteen years of a Labour government...MP's expenses...Iraq War...Massive UK defecit...The most unpopular Prime Minister for over 60 years...Mass Immigration....
Cameron must wonder with all this ammunition why the hell he never got the majority of seats he needed, you could have put Basil Brush up against Brown and he would have won a majority.
Sorry but the one thing that did come out of last weeks election was that after all these years there are a hell of a lot of British people who still haven't forgotten what the Tories did to this country.
You've misread me Jane, I was arguing against _i 1 get 1 free's post that because Cameron didn't get 51% of the votes he doesn't have a mandate, and by that same argument, neither did Blair.
I also said at the end of my post that the party with the most seats wins.
Sorry but the one thing that did come out of last weeks election was that after all these years there are a hell of a lot of British people who still haven't forgotten what the Tories did to this country.
And that's probably why Cameron fell just short of an overall majority. Clearly he's won over some of those sceptical voters who remember the Thatcher years as painful ones but he just didn't quite manage to convert enough of them."
Sorry, misunderstood you...
Cameron must be getting it in the neck by the Tory old school, they are so anti PR as it could well mean it will see the Conservatives having to rebuild the party for it ever to work for them and see them in power again.
Clegg is under tremendous pressure from his own party not to accept anything less than the promise of a PR referendum in the Queens speech, I just can't see Cameron being allowed to offer this up.
Did notice today that all this indecision hasn't affected the stock markets as much as the Tory press reckoned it would....bank shares up 10% today. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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wow... where do i start... you lot all did without me...
So GB goes... great tactical step to allow Clegg and the Lib Dems to talk to labout, to spook the Tories into giving a referendum on AV.... it's not a bad start....
with regards to the numbers lets get a few things correct..
as wishy rightly said we are not talking about 326 but 323..... 4 sinn fein mp, speaker and 2 dept speakers...
Lib Dems plus labour would be 315.... add to that probably the Green mp, the Alliance MP in NI who is alligned to the Lib Dems.... and the Ind unionist MP who sides with labour on most issues.....
so that leaves us at 318.....
SDLP vote with Labour on most things... they have 4 which takes is to 322... but would they want to rely on that support?
okay... if we look at the conservatives... 308... possibly add the DUP's 8 (remember cameron rode the wrong unionist horse in NI and the DUP might be angry about that!) which leaves them at 316.....
which leaves the SNP and Plaid in Wales....
would either really side with the tories on anything, knowing that if they didn't it would mean the tories then go in and slash public sector job which would hit scotland, northern ireland and wales the hardest.....
not happening.... 318-320 is probably enough if SNP and Plaid abstain on most issues......
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I think what doesn't help Cameron is that when Blair lead Labour out of the wilderness he did so with 41% of the electorate voting for him....Cameron fell woefully short with 36%.
At least it has made the last few days exciting politics wise....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"wow... where do i start... you lot all did without me...
So GB goes... great tactical step to allow Clegg and the Lib Dems to talk to labout, to spook the Tories into giving a referendum on AV.... it's not a bad start....
with regards to the numbers lets get a few things correct..
as wishy rightly said we are not talking about 326 but 323..... 4 sinn fein mp, speaker and 2 dept speakers...
Lib Dems plus labour would be 315.... add to that probably the Green mp, the Alliance MP in NI who is alligned to the Lib Dems.... and the Ind unionist MP who sides with labour on most issues.....
so that leaves us at 318.....
SDLP vote with Labour on most things... they have 4 which takes is to 322... but would they want to rely on that support?
okay... if we look at the conservatives... 308... possibly add the DUP's 8 (remember cameron rode the wrong unionist horse in NI and the DUP might be angry about that!) which leaves them at 316.....
which leaves the SNP and Plaid in Wales....
would either really side with the tories on anything, knowing that if they didn't it would mean the tories then go in and slash public sector job which would hit scotland, northern ireland and wales the hardest.....
not happening.... 318-320 is probably enough if SNP and Plaid abstain on most issues......
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the snp wont jump to tory they know if the day that their asses wont grace any seat in scotland at the next elections the tory hatred runs deep here you can see that from the results one lone tory voted in here xx |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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Well, I just hope that people in the next few years, if the Conservatives do form a government, remember just how much of a mess they inherit!
Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
Glad he has gone and my advice to Dave? Walk away and let Labour carry the can for their mess! |
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"Well, I just hope that people in the next few years, if the Conservatives do form a government, remember just how much of a mess they inherit!
Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
Glad he has gone and my advice to Dave? Walk away and let Labour carry the can for their mess!"
Don't you think it a little childish to have to resort to using silly names for Blair and Brown?....at least try to be original in your post |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"Well, I just hope that people in the next few years, if the Conservatives do form a government, remember just how much of a mess they inherit!
Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
Glad he has gone and my advice to Dave? Walk away and let Labour carry the can for their mess!"
Dave will get very cross i fear an no doubt take his football home and tell the others to play cricket instead |
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which leaves the SNP and Plaid in Wales....
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I read/heard that the price of Welsh ie Plaid support is an extra £300m a year.
A high priced whore, but a whore non the less.
Which sums up politics, they all have their own price.
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the snp wont jump to tory they know if the day that their asses wont grace any seat in scotland at the next elections the tory hatred runs deep here you can see that from the results one lone tory voted in here xx"
Dead right, according to the political experts on the radio today both Plaid and the SNP would vote with Labour and might even join the coalition with a little persuading and a few benefits thrown in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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credit to alex salmond as much as the man is just under cam the sham in my hate list , he does have scotlands best interest at heart once he drops his referendum on independence shite!! xx |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
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quick question _umour..... if you don't mind me asking
other than vince cable.. who had advocated it all along for tighter regualation, much to his credit
just who did actually see this coming????
I am not the biggest fan of labour.. but not fair to point all this at there door..... |
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"we wanted easy accesible credit and mortgages and we got now look at the mess we in i blame the capitalists!! xx"
Yep, i agree. let's blame the Londoners.
And throw in the Edinburghers to keep dogmeisters happy.
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"Well, I just hope that people in the next few years, if the Conservatives do form a government, remember just how much of a mess they inherit!
Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
Glad he has gone and my advice to Dave? Walk away and let Labour carry the can for their mess!
Don't you think it a little childish to have to resort to using silly names for Blair and Brown?....at least try to be original in your post"
As someone who has tried to defend CLOWN at every turn, I did well that it was only name calling you can get off your high horse about! Nice to know you accept that they fooked up!  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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which leaves the SNP and Plaid in Wales....
I read/heard that the price of Welsh ie Plaid support is an extra £300m a year.
A high priced whore, but a whore non the less.
Which sums up politics, they all have their own price.
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they can ask for it.... whether they get it is a different matter..
SNP and Plaid are probably in an even tighter position than the lib dems... they know they are not going to get that extra money out of the tories... who will slash jobs in the public sector, which the welsh and scots rely one.....
if there is a Lib/Lab coalition they know where they are best served....
call it "maggies revenge" as such....
she got rid of so many manufacturing jobs that a lost of the welsh and scottish economy rely on the public sector jobs.... |
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Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
quick question _umour..... if you don't mind me asking
other than vince cable.. who had advocated it all along for tighter regualation, much to his credit
just who did actually see this coming????
I am not the biggest fan of labour.. but not fair to point all this at there door....."
Spot on Fabio.....the Tories have argued for years against less government interference in business, they voted against the Bank of England being made independent after all.
They are the self proclaimed party of business, they wouldn't have acted to reign in the banks if they were in power from 2005.
They threw their toys out of the pram over the Lloyds Names debacle, they insisted that the Blair government prop up the Lloyds members with public money...so in my opinion they would NEVER have acted against the banks taking unneccesary risks as they don't believe in goverment interference in business. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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which leaves the SNP and Plaid in Wales....
I read/heard that the price of Welsh ie Plaid support is an extra £300m a year.
A high priced whore, but a whore non the less.
Which sums up politics, they all have their own price.
they can ask for it.... whether they get it is a different matter..
SNP and Plaid are probably in an even tighter position than the lib dems... they know they are not going to get that extra money out of the tories... who will slash jobs in the public sector, which the welsh and scots rely one.....
if there is a Lib/Lab coalition they know where they are best served....
call it "maggies revenge" as such....
she got rid of so many manufacturing jobs that a lost of the welsh and scottish economy rely on the public sector jobs.... "
nail hit on head and not even a labour votin scotsman!!xx |
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I give Labour's "Technicolour Dreamcoat Coalition" exactly 1 month, and then when the SNP and Plaid Cymru realise they've been well and truly butt-fucked by Darling and his cuts, we'll be heading for another election, cos that's exactly what Cameron will call for the moment he sniffs dissention in this ridiculous alliance and tables a motion of no confidence.
Whoever stuffs it up under a coalition government will be punished severely at the next election sometime between August/October, or early next year.
Couple that with the fact that we'll have to suffer a 2nd PM imposed upon us unelected and it's not difficult to see a red mist descending over the electorate.
This all smacks of Labour's desperate attempt to keep power and although they've all said they want the best deal to provide stability in today's economic environment, the reality seems to be Clegg pursuing the most unstable govt out of all the options available to him at this moment in time.
You can't change the rules AFTER an election and say "we have a mandate because adding us together we now have more % of votes than the Tories." - those sorts of alliances have to be declared before people are asked to vote! |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
quick question _umour..... if you don't mind me asking
other than vince cable.. who had advocated it all along for tighter regualation, much to his credit
just who did actually see this coming????
I am not the biggest fan of labour.. but not fair to point all this at there door....."
gordon brown had been warning,of potential banking disaster, since 1997.no one would listen. one country could alone,could not change its system.or it would have been left in the banking wilderness.a situation of. dammed if you do,dammed if you dont.reminder,as a lot of people, seem to have selective memories.it was a world wide recession. |
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Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
quick question _umour..... if you don't mind me asking
other than vince cable.. who had advocated it all along for tighter regualation, much to his credit
just who did actually see this coming????
I am not the biggest fan of labour.. but not fair to point all this at there door.....
gordon brown had been warning,of potential banking disaster, since 1997.no one would listen. one country could alone,could not change its system.or it would have been left in the banking wilderness.a situation of. dammed if you do,dammed if you dont.reminder,as a lot of people, seem to have selective memories.it was a world wide recession."
Are you just making this rubbish up to prop up your warped version of events?
Brown ADMITTED on television that he didn't reign in the banks when he should have. If Brown knew in 97 that we were heading for trouble then it should have been first and foremost in his mind to prevent that - and who was in a better postion than he - as Chancellor and then as PM - to do exactly that. He didn't. He admitted it. |
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"I give Labour's "Technicolour Dreamcoat Coalition" exactly 1 month, and then when the SNP and Plaid Cymru realise they've been well and truly butt-fucked by Darling and his cuts, we'll be heading for another election, cos that's exactly what Cameron will call for the moment he sniffs dissention in this ridiculous alliance and tables a motion of no confidence.
Whoever stuffs it up under a coalition government will be punished severely at the next election sometime between August/October, or early next year.
Couple that with the fact that we'll have to suffer a 2nd PM imposed upon us unelected and it's not difficult to see a red mist descending over the electorate.
This all smacks of Labour's desperate attempt to keep power and although they've all said they want the best deal to provide stability in today's economic environment, the reality seems to be Clegg pursuing the most unstable govt out of all the options available to him at this moment in time.
You can't change the rules AFTER an election and say "we have a mandate because adding us together we now have more % of votes than the Tories." - those sorts of alliances have to be declared before people are asked to vote!"
Coalition governments, in countries where coalitions are the norm, NEVER declare before a general election what the coalition is going to be.....
In Germany the government coalitions change quite a lot.
And again....we DO NOT elect a party leader in a general election, until such a time we have a Presidential system....which will be NEVER all the time we have a Monarchy, then we will always continue to vote for individual MP's who represent their parties. |
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Just to go off kilter slightly.
Anyone notice that mighty Germany's Merkel got a good stuffing in NRW?
A region of 18m people with several cities said to be on the brink of bankruptcy, yet can find billions to delay Greece's problems?
The common denominator in all of this?
Politicians desire to spend money, big money, they havent got nor can get.
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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago
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I would like to see Mandelson or Prescott try for leadership just for the sheer comical value of what the press would say
I thought Mandelson was the de-facto leader? He seemed to have a lot of say on whether they would keep Brown or not.
He's good on billionaire's yachts too i believe."
be realistic
they ALL know people with yaghts or own them
If you are envious, apply for the job
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I vote Wishy for Prime Minister/President/Chancellor.
And if we all donate our Monopoly sets to him, we may just pull through all of this.
zzzzz.
Oop's, was dreaming there for a moment.
yours
G Brown
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Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
quick question _umour..... if you don't mind me asking
other than vince cable.. who had advocated it all along for tighter regualation, much to his credit
just who did actually see this coming????
I am not the biggest fan of labour.. but not fair to point all this at there door.....
gordon brown had been warning,of potential banking disaster, since 1997.no one would listen. one country could alone,could not change its system.or it would have been left in the banking wilderness.a situation of. dammed if you do,dammed if you dont.reminder,as a lot of people, seem to have selective memories.it was a world wide recession.
Are you just making this rubbish up to prop up your warped version of events?
Brown ADMITTED on television that he didn't reign in the banks when he should have. If Brown knew in 97 that we were heading for trouble then it should have been first and foremost in his mind to prevent that - and who was in a better postion than he - as Chancellor and then as PM - to do exactly that. He didn't. He admitted it."
I agree, Brown should have been bold, he had the majority to get through what he wanted to in the House and he should have been gutsy enough to act earlier.
There was a danger that banks would have pulled their business out of London, but Brown should have pulled the EU together on this....Blair would have, and that was the difference between the Two. |
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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago
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"wow... where do i start... you lot all did without me...
So GB goes... great tactical step to allow Clegg and the Lib Dems to talk to labout, to spook the Tories into giving a referendum on AV.... it's not a bad start....
with regards to the numbers lets get a few things correct..
as wishy rightly said we are not talking about 326 but 323..... 4 sinn fein mp, speaker and 2 dept speakers...
Lib Dems plus labour would be 315.... add to that probably the Green mp, the Alliance MP in NI who is alligned to the Lib Dems.... and the Ind unionist MP who sides with labour on most issues.....
so that leaves us at 318.....
SDLP vote with Labour on most things... they have 4 which takes is to 322... but would they want to rely on that support?
okay... if we look at the conservatives... 308... possibly add the DUP's 8 (remember cameron rode the wrong unionist horse in NI and the DUP might be angry about that!) which leaves them at 316.....
which leaves the SNP and Plaid in Wales....
would either really side with the tories on anything, knowing that if they didn't it would mean the tories then go in and slash public sector job which would hit scotland, northern ireland and wales the hardest.....
not happening.... 318-320 is probably enough if SNP and Plaid abstain on most issues......
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This is the party make-up in the House of Commons :
Conservative 305
Labour 258
Liberal Democrat 57
Democratic Unionist 8
Scottish National 6
Sinn Fein 5
Plaid Cymru 3
Social Democratic & Labour 3
Alliance 1
Green 1
Independent 1
Speaker seeking re-election 1
Vacant seat (Thirsk & Malton) 1
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There was a danger that banks would have pulled their business out of London, but Brown should have pulled the EU together on this....Blair would have, and that was the difference between the Two."
Blair didn't and couldn't have done that.
Did you not notice he timed his exit to a T? leaving Brown holding the baby?
Nice work.
And then appointed Mid East peace envoy. That worked didn't it? |
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There was a danger that banks would have pulled their business out of London, but Brown should have pulled the EU together on this....Blair would have, and that was the difference between the Two.
Blair didn't and couldn't have done that.
Did you not notice he timed his exit to a T? leaving Brown holding the baby?
Nice work.
And then appointed Mid East peace envoy. That worked didn't it?"
and changed religion now if thats not guilt what is!!  |
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"I give Labour's "Technicolour Dreamcoat Coalition" exactly 1 month, and then when the SNP and Plaid Cymru realise they've been well and truly butt-fucked by Darling and his cuts, we'll be heading for another election, cos that's exactly what Cameron will call for the moment he sniffs dissention in this ridiculous alliance and tables a motion of no confidence.
Whoever stuffs it up under a coalition government will be punished severely at the next election sometime between August/October, or early next year.
Couple that with the fact that we'll have to suffer a 2nd PM imposed upon us unelected and it's not difficult to see a red mist descending over the electorate.
This all smacks of Labour's desperate attempt to keep power and although they've all said they want the best deal to provide stability in today's economic environment, the reality seems to be Clegg pursuing the most unstable govt out of all the options available to him at this moment in time.
You can't change the rules AFTER an election and say "we have a mandate because adding us together we now have more % of votes than the Tories." - those sorts of alliances have to be declared before people are asked to vote!
Coalition governments, in countries where coalitions are the norm, NEVER declare before a general election what the coalition is going to be.....
In Germany the government coalitions change quite a lot.
And again....we DO NOT elect a party leader in a general election, until such a time we have a Presidential system....which will be NEVER all the time we have a Monarchy, then we will always continue to vote for individual MP's who represent their parties."
I realise this is getting too long to quote, but it raises many points:
Which parties are most similar to which? Can/will work well together? Is PR a good idea (personally I think it is the only fair system but when asked by my daughter how it would work, ie, who would be our MP, would they understand local issues, couldn't answer)? I've lived under many governments in many areas of the UK and it was important to me to know who to approach if I had a real problem. Only had to do it twice, problem solved under my Milton Keynes NE Labour MP, ignored under my Tory Monmouthshire one! |
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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago
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"I give Labour's "Technicolour Dreamcoat Coalition" exactly 1 month, and then when the SNP and Plaid Cymru realise they've been well and truly butt-fucked by Darling and his cuts, we'll be heading for another election, cos that's exactly what Cameron will call for the moment he sniffs dissention in this ridiculous alliance and tables a motion of no confidence.
Whoever stuffs it up under a coalition government will be punished severely at the next election sometime between August/October, or early next year.
Couple that with the fact that we'll have to suffer a 2nd PM imposed upon us unelected and it's not difficult to see a red mist descending over the electorate.
This all smacks of Labour's desperate attempt to keep power and although they've all said they want the best deal to provide stability in today's economic environment, the reality seems to be Clegg pursuing the most unstable govt out of all the options available to him at this moment in time.
You can't change the rules AFTER an election and say "we have a mandate because adding us together we now have more % of votes than the Tories." - those sorts of alliances have to be declared before people are asked to vote!
Coalition governments, in countries where coalitions are the norm, NEVER declare before a general election what the coalition is going to be.....
In Germany the government coalitions change quite a lot.
And again....we DO NOT elect a party leader in a general election, until such a time we have a Presidential system....which will be NEVER all the time we have a Monarchy, then we will always continue to vote for individual MP's who represent their parties."
I agree Jane, we've a coalition in our Welsh Assembly that works well. *** I'd also like to empasise that we vote for a political party and not our Prime Minister. *** The Labour party vote for their leader, the Conservative party vote for their leader etc etc etc. Then the party that gains the majority in a general election get to form a government if Queenie agrees.
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If the UK was to enter into the PR voting scheme it would in all likelyhood be mixed-member proportional voting, what you would be required to do is mark Two boxes on a ballot paper, one for the constituency representative and one for a party.
This is the German system and the favoured system of the Lib Dems.
There would probably be 501 constituency representative seats in the House of Commons. |
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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago
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"imagine havin to listen to his gratin voice eekk!!!
i vote on policy not the frontman of the actor shoved at the front to be the leader xx"
Can just see him at Prime Minister's questions.
Well it's like this like, Vic says that she can't understand who is who, so cans we all wear colour coded bibs |
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"imagine havin to listen to his gratin voice eekk!!!
i vote on policy not the frontman of the actor shoved at the front to be the leader xx
Can just see him at Prime Minister's questions.
Well it's like this like, Vic says that she can't understand who is who, so cans we all wear colour coded bibs "
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There was a danger that banks would have pulled their business out of London, but Brown should have pulled the EU together on this....Blair would have, and that was the difference between the Two.
Blair didn't and couldn't have done that.
Did you not notice he timed his exit to a T? leaving Brown holding the baby?
Nice work.
And then appointed Mid East peace envoy. That worked didn't it?
and changed religion now if thats not guilt what is!! "
nah, was an overpowering wife.
and how the hell he managed to have 4 kids is beyond me, must've got his bags in bulk from Tesco's. |
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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago
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"imagine havin to listen to his gratin voice eekk!!!
i vote on policy not the frontman of the actor shoved at the front to be the leader xx
Can just see him at Prime Minister's questions.
Well it's like this like, Vic says that she can't understand who is who, so cans we all wear colour coded bibs
bet you she wouldnt be long in decoratin lol!! x"
pmsl well I'm being a saddo and cross referencing manifestos |
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There was a danger that banks would have pulled their business out of London, but Brown should have pulled the EU together on this....Blair would have, and that was the difference between the Two.
Blair didn't and couldn't have done that.
Did you not notice he timed his exit to a T? leaving Brown holding the baby?
Nice work.
And then appointed Mid East peace envoy. That worked didn't it?
and changed religion now if thats not guilt what is!!
nah, was an overpowering wife.
and how the hell he managed to have 4 kids is beyond me, must've got his bags in bulk from Tesco's. "
either that or he had a good wank aim lol xx |
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reminds me of a pre-election news report ( '97 ) on the then hot-topic of single mothers.
Woman , with 4 kids : " i don't get a penny off any of their fathers".
Wasn't Prescott ( the lad ) his deputy?
perish the thought. where's the vomit icon. |
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well it did result in an overhaul of the csa which was one of maggies better policies now its 15% of the fathers income but kinda difficult if they on a giro so basically the tax payer still payin for cannon cocks! x |
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Listening to Hague today, it seems that the Liberals have been asking for an Alternative Voting system, which the Tories have agreed to hold a referendum on.
AV is very much like First Past The Post in so much as that more than 50% is required for an MP to be elected. You mark your ballot paper 1, 2, 3, 4 in order of preference of who you would prefer to be elected. If nobody gets a clear majority then the 2nd choices of the candidate who came last is counted until a winner with 51% emerges.
So for example:
1. Tory
2. Labour
3. Liberals
4. UKIP
Let's say that is results as follows:
From an electorate of 1,000
(501 needed to win)
1. Tory - 300
2. Labour - 300
3. Liberals - 250
4. UKIP - 150
No clear winner, correct?
We then look at the 2nd choices of the ballot papers that had UKIP as first choice.
The votes for 2nd place are redistributed amongst the remaining three candidates until a clear winner emerges. So, for example:
2nd Choice from 150 UKIP votes:
1. Tory - 80 (380)
2. Labour - 50 (250)
3. Liberals - 20 (270)
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Still no clear winner...
.
3rd Choice from 150 UKIP votes:
1. Tory - 70 (450)
2. Labour - 60 (310)
3. Liberals - 20 (300)
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Still no clear winner, so the Liberal candidate is eliminated...
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2nd Choice from 250 Liberal votes, but not inc UKIP:
1. Tory - 80 (530)
2. Labour - 160 (470)
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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago
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reminds me of a pre-election news report ( '97 ) on the then hot-topic of single mothers.
Woman , with 4 kids : " i don't get a penny off any of their fathers".
Wasn't Prescott ( the lad ) his deputy?
perish the thought. where's the vomit icon."
Yes, John Prescott was his deputy. Gordon didn't have a Deputy PM, he saved us some money |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"well it did result in an overhaul of the csa which was one of maggies better policies now its 15% of the fathers income but kinda difficult if they on a giro so basically the tax payer still payin for cannon cocks! x"
Shame it still isn't a physical gyro or they could coat the paper in infertility drugs |
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over a year ago
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"Listening to Hague today, it seems that the Liberals have been asking for an Alternative Voting system, which the Tories have agreed to hold a referendum on.
AV is very much like First Past The Post in so much as that more than 50% is required for an MP to be elected. You mark your ballot paper 1, 2, 3, 4 in order of preference of who you would prefer to be elected. If nobody gets a clear majority then the 2nd choices of the candidate who came last is counted until a winner with 51% emerges.
So for example:
1. Tory
2. Labour
3. Liberals
4. UKIP
Let's say that is results as follows:
From an electorate of 1,000
(501 needed to win)
1. Tory - 300
2. Labour - 300
3. Liberals - 250
4. UKIP - 150
No clear winner, correct?
We then look at the 2nd choices of the ballot papers that had UKIP as first choice.
The votes for 2nd place are redistributed amongst the remaining three candidates until a clear winner emerges. So, for example:
2nd Choice from 150 UKIP votes:
1. Tory - 80 (380)
2. Labour - 50 (250)
3. Liberals - 20 (270)
.
Still no clear winner...
.
3rd Choice from 150 UKIP votes:
1. Tory - 70 (450)
2. Labour - 60 (310)
3. Liberals - 20 (300)
.
Still no clear winner, so the Liberal candidate is eliminated...
.
2nd Choice from 250 Liberal votes, but not inc UKIP:
1. Tory - 80 (530)
2. Labour - 160 (470)
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Tory candidate elected. Phew!"
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"well it did result in an overhaul of the csa which was one of maggies better policies now its 15% of the fathers income but kinda difficult if they on a giro so basically the tax payer still payin for cannon cocks! x"
as i understand it, its only 15% for new cases.
i know of a few fathers still paying at the old rates, that never seemd fair. |
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"well it did result in an overhaul of the csa which was one of maggies better policies now its 15% of the fathers income but kinda difficult if they on a giro so basically the tax payer still payin for cannon cocks! x
Shame it still isn't a physical gyro or they could coat the paper in infertility drugs "
or if they apply to go on jeremy kyle show its automatic vasectomy or sterilisation!! x
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"well it did result in an overhaul of the csa which was one of maggies better policies now its 15% of the fathers income but kinda difficult if they on a giro so basically the tax payer still payin for cannon cocks! x
as i understand it, its only 15% for new cases.
i know of a few fathers still paying at the old rates, that never seemd fair."
im no sure?? mine is one of the new cases i cant even remember what the old rate was? xx |
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"wish they would sort it out fed up hearin and lookin at william hague time the coffin lid was back on that one!! x
Hague the plague lol"
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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Everyone keeps saying that G Clown was not responsible for the mess (American Sub Prime) But it was the Labour party under both Tony B Liar AND Gordon Clown who never did anything about the reckless bank actions for 13 years!
quick question _umour..... if you don't mind me asking
other than vince cable.. who had advocated it all along for tighter regualation, much to his credit
just who did actually see this coming????
I am not the biggest fan of labour.. but not fair to point all this at there door.....
gordon brown had been warning,of potential banking disaster, since 1997.no one would listen. one country could alone,could not change its system.or it would have been left in the banking wilderness.a situation of. dammed if you do,dammed if you dont.reminder,as a lot of people, seem to have selective memories.it was a world wide recession.
Are you just making this rubbish up to prop up your warped version of events?
Brown ADMITTED on television that he didn't reign in the banks when he should have. If Brown knew in 97 that we were heading for trouble then it should have been first and foremost in his mind to prevent that - and who was in a better postion than he - as Chancellor and then as PM - to do exactly that. He didn't. He admitted it."
once more that wishy tunnel vision kicks in.hearing only what you want to,and discounting the rest.try to understand,cmon you can do it.dammed if he did, dammed if he didnt.that means it was already a lose,lose situation.ok still with me.no banking system,or a f***** up banking system.no matter which way it went, we lose.it was a world wide recession.that means all over the world,ok, still with me.we have never elected a prime minister.that means we do not elect prime ministers.i know pictures would help.try it with just the words first. |
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" you say 501 to win
cant we just have a game of darts?
be quicker and cheaper
Best of 10, loser gets the beers in??"
phone in vote!! worked for x factor and britains got talent lol xx |
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over a year ago
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" you say 501 to win
cant we just have a game of darts?
be quicker and cheaper
Best of 10, loser gets the beers in??
phone in vote!! worked for x factor and britains got talent lol xx "
Sounds great but you don't know who the fook is voting then lol |
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once more that wishy tunnel vision kicks in.hearing only what you want to,and discounting the rest.try to understand,cmon you can do it.dammed if he did, dammed if he didnt.that means it was already a lose,lose situation.ok still with me.no banking system,or a f***** up banking system.no matter which way it went, we lose.it was a world wide recession.that means all over the world,ok, still with me.we have never elected a prime minister.that means we do not elect prime ministers.i know pictures would help.try it with just the words first. "
Go and google references of Brown saying exactly what you claimed he said, then google Brown admitting on TV that he didn't do what he should have done.
Hold on. I've done it for you but I just couldn't find any reference of Brown warning anyone of anything.
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Here you go chum:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blame-brown-revenge-of-the-whistleblower-1622467.html
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And here...
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once more that wishy tunnel vision kicks in.hearing only what you want to,and discounting the rest.try to understand,cmon you can do it.dammed if he did, dammed if he didnt.that means it was already a lose,lose situation.ok still with me.no banking system,or a f***** up banking system.no matter which way it went, we lose.it was a world wide recession.that means all over the world,ok, still with me.we have never elected a prime minister.that means we do not elect prime ministers.i know pictures would help.try it with just the words first.
Go and google references of Brown saying exactly what you claimed he said, then google Brown admitting on TV that he didn't do what he should have done.
Hold on. I've done it for you but I just couldn't find any reference of Brown warning anyone of anything.
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Here you go chum:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blame-brown-revenge-of-the-whistleblower-1622467.html
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And here...
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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/169167/Gordon-Brown-I-was-to-blame-for-the-credit-crunch"
still with the tunnel vision.well done, even on google,you can find only the infomation, you want to find.its a bit of an art.i didnt only start watching political interviews,2 weeks before the election,like some.do you remember any tory mps,warning of impending disaster,no niether can i.one nation could not change its bankiing system alone.lose, lose, situation. |
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This isn't about Tory MPs warning of financial disaster, it's about YOUR claim that Brown DID - and you haven't posted anything to back up that claim.
I challenge you now, as you weren't happy with my google results - put up or shut up. |
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"well it did result in an overhaul of the csa which was one of maggies better policies now its 15% of the fathers income but kinda difficult if they on a giro so basically the tax payer still payin for cannon cocks! x
as i understand it, its only 15% for new cases.
i know of a few fathers still paying at the old rates, that never seemd fair.
im no sure?? mine is one of the new cases i cant even remember what the old rate was? xx"
15% for the 1st child, rising by 5% for every subsequent child by the same mother to a max of (not sure tbh) 30%.
But my ex - 700-800k mortgage-free house in Bucks he now rattles around in alone, early retirement pension of 40k, left 1/2 mil by his mum.
His eldest daughter lived with him, his eldest son with ex-wife, our 2 with me. So the CSA admitted that the calculation was impossible, invited me to take it to the Higher Courts if
I could possibly find a lawyer who could overcome the complexities their own Tribunal couldn't, apologised to me and wished me luck! I gave up, he pays almost nothing! Fair?? CSA was and is a joke, to this day they say "If he pays voluntarily, we can't get him"! Another little clause dreamt up by the Tories when they set it up!
Still, do my kids admire him, or prefer not to visit the twisted Tory old twat??!! Bitter, me?? lol |
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"This isn't about Tory MPs warning of financial disaster, it's about YOUR claim that Brown DID - and you haven't posted anything to back up that claim.
I challenge you now, as you weren't happy with my google results - put up or shut up."
{watches the tumble drift by... }
"He ain't coming back pardner, I think ya got him goooood."
"Hey Gringo, I like you boots, I think I have you boots."
"Yeah? Come n take em then!"
{cue spaghetti western type whip-cracking music, fast camera movement to the eyes of each combatant, focusing on the fly crawling over the sweaty unshaved beard of the asshole in the dusty waistcoat that's bulging over his fucking fat belly that his trousers gave up fighting a long time ago}
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..I have too much time on my hands don't I?
Not my fault, I'm waiting for He Who Knows Everything About Nothing to post some google links but I think he's fucked off for a curry. |
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best of 20 then and its your round
Double off?
yeah, if you got pics "
Let's leave the Jocks out of this shall we, they'll only start spitting, swearing and fighting. |
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Another simple statement: Brown is a good man in my opinion, did not mislead and did not bully. Hugely respected on the world stage, a socialist through and through and although he may have had to view things from different perspectives from time to time, always said it as he saw it.
He didn't benefit from Westminster or Eton public schools, his dad a Church of Scotland vicar who made Gordon and his brother be nice to the poor kids that came into his home, share their time and toys.
A man with humanity and by his speech tonight, clearly humility. I think he did what he thought was right for the country tonight. I'm not sure that we'll find in the next year that was quite right; hope you like rollercoasters cos I think we're headed for the double dip; the reason we're not in the Euro-boat is that Gordon was respected for being a man of steel, with a track record, who told the rest of the world what to do to avoid sinking!
Still, got my snorkel, fins and polling card for autumn! |
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And would Gordy have fallen on his sword if Kingy Cleggy hadn't insisted that Mandy the Dandy fuck his boss up the arse in return for a shot at the top slot huh? |
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at the risk of upsettin the tory fan club i hope this drags on for a while because anythin that saves me from camerons big sleekit dish on the tv is good for me!! funny how he has been very quiet the last few days..... xx |
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"fuck the poltics is this a sex site or what who gives a shit who will be next pmthey will do the same"
u know that freedom of choice thing?? you know you can post and read what you want?? try using it !!
you dont need to read what you dont want to or write on something that is obviously irrelevant to you xx |
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most just chat on here and never met anyone say no more
"fuck the poltics is this a sex site or what who gives a shit who will be next pmthey will do the same
u know that freedom of choice thing?? you know you can post and read what you want?? try using it !!
you dont need to read what you dont want to or write on something that is obviously irrelevant to you xx"
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"most just chat on here and never met anyone say no morefuck the poltics is this a sex site or what who gives a shit who will be next pmthey will do the same
u know that freedom of choice thing?? you know you can post and read what you want?? try using it !!
you dont need to read what you dont want to or write on something that is obviously irrelevant to you xx"
thats cause they choose to do that??
have you been let down and need a wee shoulder to cry on or get the pent up aggression off your chest?? i dont mind honestly as long as it makes you feel better xx |
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Funny isn't it?......Just because some members shag anything that walks they attack another member who they deem not be a 'true swinger'.
Darling stick to your scruples and meet who YOU want and put verifications up when YOU want. |
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i really couldnt give a shit!!
the verification arguement is an age old one and the last 2 meets we not verified each other but if someone wants to make accusations and attempt to start a witch hunt thats up to them i would rather be select than shag anythin just to prove a point! x |
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"i really couldnt give a shit!!
the verification arguement is an age old one and the last 2 meets we not verified each other but if someone wants to make accusations and attempt to start a witch hunt thats up to them i would rather be select than shag anythin just to prove a point! x"
I had a meet last Thursday night (not with Nick Clegg) and haven't exchanged verifications, you are right it means nothing.
Am meeting him again this coming weekend, just don't feel the need to add verifications for every time I meet someone.....it's not a sodding scoreboard! |
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my dancecard full just now!!
on the plus side, if i am a man i can do all those things iv wanted to do!!
away to look for a pair of leopard print thong speedos for my holidays!! xx |
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I have read with interest the threads on the country's political position at the moment.
I have chosen not to post as I feel I know too little about politics however I have enjoyed the mature debate and insights it has given me.
Until now, when I see an embittered excuse to draw attention to themself by attacking another member. I may be ignorant of political knowledge, you on the other hand sir are just plain ignorant.
Msnwty, I have no doubt you are who you say you are. xxxxx |
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" I have read with interest the threads on the country's political position at the moment.
I have chosen not to post as I feel I know too little about politics however I have enjoyed the mature debate and insights it has given me.
Until now, when I see an embittered excuse to draw attention to themself by attacking another member. I may be ignorant of political knowledge, you on the other hand sir are just plain ignorant.
Msnwty, I have no doubt you are who you say you are. xxxxx"
hey i dont mind if it makes a little person feel better then who am i to worry!
im goin to nip to b and q today and buy man things and do some diy in the house.....
all tradesmen on standby help may be required lol x |
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" I have read with interest the threads on the country's political position at the moment.
I have chosen not to post as I feel I know too little about politics however I have enjoyed the mature debate and insights it has given me.
Until now, when I see an embittered excuse to draw attention to themself by attacking another member. I may be ignorant of political knowledge, you on the other hand sir are just plain ignorant.
Msnwty, I have no doubt you are who you say you are. xxxxx
hey i dont mind if it makes a little person feel better then who am i to worry!
im goin to nip to b and q today and buy man things and do some diy in the house.....
all tradesmen on standby help may be required lol x"
I'm painting today....my nails xxx |
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" I have read with interest the threads on the country's political position at the moment.
I have chosen not to post as I feel I know too little about politics however I have enjoyed the mature debate and insights it has given me.
Until now, when I see an embittered excuse to draw attention to themself by attacking another member. I may be ignorant of political knowledge, you on the other hand sir are just plain ignorant.
Msnwty, I have no doubt you are who you say you are. xxxxx
hey i dont mind if it makes a little person feel better then who am i to worry!
im goin to nip to b and q today and buy man things and do some diy in the house.....
all tradesmen on standby help may be required lol x
I'm painting today....my nails xxx "
you too eh?? |
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"iv got 5 friends to measure for bras......hands up guys how many of you wanna do that lol!! xx "
Can I warm your hands for you?
Sorry, back to the politics if you may, I'm going back to the corner to carry on watching the thread xxxxx |
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On with the original discussion, to those that see Blair as a phoney...
National Minimum Wage
Minimum Income guarantee for old folk
Child Tax Credits
Working Family Tax Credits
Peace in Northern Ireland
Record Fiscal Growth 1997-2004
Sexual Discrimination Act
Record low interest rates 1997-2004
Record low inflation rates 1997-2005
There is plenty more to prove that Blair was anything but a phoney.
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there wont be any hand warmin lol!!! gonna shove them in the fridge before i do it!! yes im evil at times lol!!!
oh well once the political stuff finished it be the world cup......xx |
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It seems wierd looking back to past elections and it pretty much a done deal by 3am on the morning after it. I think what we have now is going to happen every time we have a Gen. Election but I hope they have the common sense to discuss who will deal with who before it ever gets to that stage. |
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i think a lot of the top ones never expected it to go to a hung parliament and its kinda through them a bit even though all the signs had been there for ages!! good for the history books though! xx |
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"i think a lot of the top ones never expected it to go to a hung parliament and its kinda through them a bit even though all the signs had been there for ages!! good for the history books though! xx"
yup it is.....and a lot of newspapers have been going into the grand children's history box........(it's a trunk I'm filling up for them to have once I'm dead...lolol) |
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its def strange times and possibly 20 years down the line if we got the pr system i wonder how many will be wishin we could be back in the "good ole days" ! x |
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"This isn't about Tory MPs warning of financial disaster, it's about YOUR claim that Brown DID - and you haven't posted anything to back up that claim.
I challenge you now, as you weren't happy with my google results - put up or shut up."
it depends on what you type in, the information you get back.thats why i dont google.i rely on information i pick up, actually following politics,all the time.unlike yourself,you seem to watch a couple of programmes,pre election,and all of a sudden your the expert.you google,google,google,untill you find the outcome,you are looking for.like a child in the sweety jar.
one of the first speeches. gordon brown ever made as chancellor.he spoke of his fears over, banking regulation,and globalisation.his greatest fault was,no one would listen.in the world market,your either in or out.i will say it again,a lose, lose, situation.
having google at your fingertips,is pointless.if you do not angage your brain,whilst using it.try it the next time. |
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"its def strange times and possibly 20 years down the line if we got the pr system i wonder how many will be wishin we could be back in the "good ole days" ! x"
With you there sweetie! I have cried tonight, but to see and hear Gordon giving up the poisoned chalice, he did not look an unhappy man. I expect the economy to now be sunk by the new European, short-lived strength and the fact that the counter-selling by US led banks has not finished yet, Goldman Saachs is the tip of the iceberg! And guess what, Camerons wife is banking stock!
Even George Dubya said Brown saved the world banking system 18 months ago. Thanks ya get?? lol Luck all! |
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a tory never changes i will give cameron 6 months before we takin a step back 20 years as a society!!
coming up first we have the british airways strike......xx |
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"a tory never changes i will give cameron 6 months before we takin a step back 20 years as a society!!
coming up first we have the british airways strike......xx"
You can hardly blame Cameron for that, it's been ongoing for months. I don't blame Gordy for it either. It's a dispute between BA and their employees, but it's bloody typical of a militant union with a point to prove. |
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"i think a lot of the top ones never expected it to go to a hung parliament and its kinda through them a bit even though all the signs had been there for ages!! good for the history books though! xx
yup it is.....and a lot of newspapers have been going into the grand children's history box........(it's a trunk I'm filling up for them to have once I'm dead...lolol)"
hope youve written and printed your own obituary! |
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"a tory never changes i will give cameron 6 months before we takin a step back 20 years as a society!!
coming up first we have the british airways strike......xx
You can hardly blame Cameron for that, it's been ongoing for months. I don't blame Gordy for it either. It's a dispute between BA and their employees, but it's bloody typical of a militant union with a point to prove. "
Or an intransigent employer who refuses to negotiate? |
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"a tory never changes i will give cameron 6 months before we takin a step back 20 years as a society!!
coming up first we have the british airways strike......xx
You can hardly blame Cameron for that, it's been ongoing for months. I don't blame Gordy for it either. It's a dispute between BA and their employees, but it's bloody typical of a militant union with a point to prove.
Or an intransigent employer who refuses to negotiate?"
and one that was a national company before it was sold off at a bargain bucket price..... xx |
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"its def strange times and possibly 20 years down the line if we got the pr system i wonder how many will be wishin we could be back in the "good ole days" ! x
With you there sweetie! I have cried tonight, but to see and hear Gordon giving up the poisoned chalice, he did not look an unhappy man. I expect the economy to now be sunk by the new European, short-lived strength and the fact that the counter-selling by US led banks has not finished yet, Goldman Saachs is the tip of the iceberg! And guess what, Camerons wife is banking stock!
Even George Dubya said Brown saved the world banking system 18 months ago. Thanks ya get?? lol Luck all! "
you cried last night too, hope yer not gonna cry for all of four years |
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"a tory never changes i will give cameron 6 months before we takin a step back 20 years as a society!!
coming up first we have the british airways strike......xx"
Well BA have already taken away the age old perk of cabin crew getting a certain amount of free flights each year.
This perk goes back to the birth of the airline, it would seem that rather than avoiding industrial action BA bosses have sensed an impending Tory government and have decided to make this the first test of the Tories taking on the unions again.
So that's British Airways to go on my 'don't touch with a bargepole list', The Sun newspaper has been on there since 1986. along with many other bits and bobs. |
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up here there is a lorry firm that hasnt had work in this are since the mid 80s because they were scabs during the miners strike still there are old men when they pass them in the street curse them!
some people dont have selective memories or rose tinted glasses and up here that sure is the case xx |
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