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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs" nothing against it but I would not want to see them in my church need I say more ffs | |||
"not allowing same sex marriages isnt really ' telling people how to live their lives ' though ..is it ? " Do you think they would approve of your life style | |||
"not allowing same sex marriages isnt really ' telling people how to live their lives ' though ..is it ? Do you think they would approve of your life style " Question is....do we care??? Lol | |||
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Iv been to 3 same sex weddings....
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"not allowing same sex marriages isnt really ' telling people how to live their lives ' though ..is it ? Do you think they would approve of your life style " do i think who would approve ? | |||
"We could not care less !" Then the question has to be asked why you put the thread up in the first place. | |||
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"We could not care less ! Then the question has to be asked why you put the thread up in the first place. " Don't think you have read all the posts someone said would you care about what organised religion thought about our life style that's what we could not care less about not our original post ! | |||
"Going by ops postings, i reckon their out for an argument lol "No just our opinion | |||
" Don't think you have read all the posts someone said would you care about what organised religion thought about our life style that's what we could not care less about not our original post ! " im lost now ..i thought that was you who said that ...blimey i need a beer !!  | |||
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"Apparently you can't have same sex marriage if you gave a current civil partnership.. " As far as I'm aware they're looking into provisions for "conversion" of civil partnership to marriage. One of the many things that makes me happy about this Act coming into force is that it will no longer force those undergoing gender reassignment to seek divorce should they already be married - woohoooo! | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs" bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? | |||
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As for the religious side of things, religion is like Lego - you can make whatever you want out of it. | |||
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"If the church* only allows marriage between a man and a woman, then why would a same sex couple want to go and stand in that said church* and make religious vows and all the rest of it, knowing that the church* are frowning upon them, their relationship and life? *insert applicable religion." To a point yes, I agree. But there are still lots of people who wish to marry someone of the same sex who would consider themselves religious. The message that everyone takes from their holy text is completely different and many Christians (and other religious people too) choose to believe that the parts about being kind to others overrule anything perceived to be hateful and are very accepting of gay marriage in their religious institution. There is an openly gay minister in Aberdeen, can't remember what church he's affiliated with mind... | |||
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" there is a majority of public opinion not-wishing for the recognition of marriage between same sex peeps" Do you have a source? From what I gather, opinion polls have shown about 2/3 of the British public being in favour of gay marriage. | |||
"If the church* only allows marriage between a man and a woman, then why would a same sex couple want to go and stand in that said church* and make religious vows and all the rest of it, knowing that the church* are frowning upon them, their relationship and life? *insert applicable religion. To a point yes, I agree. But there are still lots of people who wish to marry someone of the same sex who would consider themselves religious. The message that everyone takes from their holy text is completely different and many Christians (and other religious people too) choose to believe that the parts about being kind to others overrule anything perceived to be hateful and are very accepting of gay marriage in their religious institution. There is an openly gay minister in Aberdeen, can't remember what church he's affiliated with mind..." Well, we are all sinners! So I can see what your saying. Just because someone is a sinner, doesn't mean they can't be religious? | |||
" there is a majority of public opinion not-wishing for the recognition of marriage between same sex peeps Do you have a source? From what I gather, opinion polls have shown about 2/3 of the British public being in favour of gay marriage. " Nope, but from survey just revealed today 1 in 5 would not attend a gay marriage as previously stated, that kinda says the majority not in favour , in my opinion , , where did you GATHER | |||
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"If the church* only allows marriage between a man and a woman, then why would a same sex couple want to go and stand in that said church* and make religious vows and all the rest of it, knowing that the church* are frowning upon them, their relationship and life? *insert applicable religion. To a point yes, I agree. But there are still lots of people who wish to marry someone of the same sex who would consider themselves religious. The message that everyone takes from their holy text is completely different and many Christians (and other religious people too) choose to believe that the parts about being kind to others overrule anything perceived to be hateful and are very accepting of gay marriage in their religious institution. There is an openly gay minister in Aberdeen, can't remember what church he's affiliated with mind... Well, we are all sinners! So I can see what your saying. Just because someone is a sinner, doesn't mean they can't be religious? " "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee" So you're a sinner if you mix your clothes up too much... | |||
" there is a majority of public opinion not-wishing for the recognition of marriage between same sex peeps Do you have a source? From what I gather, opinion polls have shown about 2/3 of the British public being in favour of gay marriage. Nope, but from survey just revealed today 1 in 5 would not attend a gay marriage as previously stated, that kinda says the majority not in favour , in my opinion , , where did you GATHER "20% does not make a majority. I gathered from official sources rather than my personal opinion, I'd link but I'm not sure I'm allowed to on here. It's covered in several reliable places | |||
"Its Not only the church which doesn't wish same sex marriage , there is a majority of public opinion not-wishing for the recognition of marriage between same sex peeps, so its not merely a religious opinion. " according to the bbc news the % in favour is 68, accept that there are differences between 18-34 and 66 plus age groups.. 68% is pretty high.. | |||
" Nope, but from survey just revealed today 1 in 5 would not attend a gay marriage as previously stated, that kinda says the majority not in favour , in my opinion , , where did you GATHER "They wouldnt attend.... Doesnt mean they are against it! I wouldnt attend a gangbang but got sod all against them | |||
"Original post said from midnight becomes legal in uk it becomes legal in england and wales is already legal in scotland" | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs" And so does swinging then if you believe that. isnt it thou shall not cover Thu neighbours wife oh and not commit adultery. | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs" And so does swinging then if you believe that. isnt it thou shall not cover Thu neighbours wife oh and not commit adultery. | |||
"It should be like it is and no rules should be bend in the marriage thing." why do you think that..? | |||
"It should be like it is and no rules should be bend in the marriage thing. why do you think that..?" Just think as it should be a tradition thing you know. | |||
"It should be like it is and no rules should be bend in the marriage thing. why do you think that..?Just think as it should be a tradition thing you know." can see what you mean but some traditions need to either stay with the times, modernise.. many traditions we used to have are no longer relevant or seen as acceptable.. | |||
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"According to the been 1 in 5 people wouldn't go to a gay marriage if they were invited. " So 20% of the country are bigoted ignorant fucks then?.. I'm as straight as they come but if I was invited I'd personally go. I have no issue with it at all. | |||
"It should be like it is and no rules should be bend in the marriage thing. why do you think that..?Just think as it should be a tradition thing you know. can see what you mean but some traditions need to either stay with the times, modernise.. many traditions we used to have are no longer relevant or seen as acceptable.. " Yes your right there to. I guess some need to change in time as well. | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs And so does swinging then if you believe that. isnt it thou shall not cover Thu neighbours wife oh and not commit adultery. " Or use contraception. | |||
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"I'm really pleased about this .. It means a great deal to a few friends of mine "I've been to a civil partnership ceremony and I thought it was lovely and personally I'm glad too | |||
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"I'm really pleased about this .. It means a great deal to a few friends of mine
I've been to a civil partnership ceremony and I thought it was lovely and personally I'm glad too "Now the campaign continues to enable male/female couples to have civil partnerships. | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs nothing against it but I would not want to see them in my church need I say more ffs" Quite so. | |||
"Gay marriage
As for the religious side of things, religion is like Lego - you can make whatever you want out of it."And it really hurts if you get a piece of it underfoot! | |||
"According to the been 1 in 5 people wouldn't go to a gay marriage if they were invited. " They forgot to ask those 1 in 5 if they had any gay friends who may invite them.. Kind of pointless asking if they don't know anyone | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs" So your god doesn't love all then? By religious believes, you mean the bigoted and misogynistic teachings? | |||
"So from midnight tonight gay marriage becomes legal in the uk good luck to everyone who will tie the knot in the coming months and all the oganised religions still objecting you should hang your heads in shame love is love and who are you to tell people how to live there lives you are so out of touch with modern life then you wonder why your congregations are getting smaller and smaller. " i'd think less of religion if it kept chaging it's values to suit society tbh...perhaps the congregations are getting smaller because of it or perhaps not...i'm not learned in these things however, i have more respect for someone or something that stands it's ground. i say it shouldn't be ashamed for thats what religion believes.....why should it change for you or me or anyone else? would you change your beliefs? i doubt it.... don't get me twisted though...i am all for gay marrage, ant one person should be allowed to marry another in my eyes.... | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? " And a totally hypocritical one too. Swinging is hardly in keeping with a good catholic lifestyle. To be honest I can respect (but not agree with) people who are strict with their religious beliefs being opposed to same sex marriage. But the minute people start picking and choosing wich parts of their religion they ignore because it doesn't suit their lifestyles their argument loses all credibility | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs nothing against it but I would not want to see them in my church need I say more ffs" i so agree wtf | |||
"So from midnight tonight gay marriage becomes legal in the uk good luck to everyone who will tie the knot in the coming months and all the oganised religions still objecting you should hang your heads in shame love is love and who are you to tell people how to live there lives you are so out of touch with modern life then you wonder why your congregations are getting smaller and smaller. " I'm not religious, live in the modern world, have no desire to tell people how to live their lives, but there are things I don't agree with: gay marriage is one of them. I will not be "hanging my head in shame" for voicing my opinion either!  | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? And a totally hypocritical one too. Swinging is hardly in keeping with a good catholic lifestyle. To be honest I can respect (but not agree with) people who are strict with their religious beliefs being opposed to same sex marriage. But the minute people start picking and choosing wich parts of their religion they ignore because it doesn't suit their lifestyles their argument loses all credibility " h This is not merely a religious concept, thats life in general. If anything doesnt fit in to suit your lifestyle then its hard to understand why it happens. | |||
"So from midnight tonight gay marriage becomes legal in the uk good luck to everyone who will tie the knot in the coming months and all the oganised religions still objecting you should hang your heads in shame love is love and who are you to tell people how to live there lives you are so out of touch with modern life then you wonder why your congregations are getting smaller and smaller. I'm not religious, live in the modern world, have no desire to tell people how to live their lives, but there are things I don't agree with: gay marriage is one of them. I will not be "hanging my head in shame" for voicing my opinion either! "Well said on your _iew | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? And a totally hypocritical one too. Swinging is hardly in keeping with a good catholic lifestyle. To be honest I can respect (but not agree with) people who are strict with their religious beliefs being opposed to same sex marriage. But the minute people start picking and choosing wich parts of their religion they ignore because it doesn't suit their lifestyles their argument loses all credibility " | |||
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"Living in Brighton amongst the gay community it real does not bother me or make the slightest difference to my life. However, just watch the divorce rate go up. " Well yeah, of course it will. Gay couples split just like hetero ones. So a consequence of the change in the law is that the divorce rate as a whole will rise over the next few years. And while people argue about the moral implications of the new marriages, divorce solicitors are thrapping away with glee. | |||
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"So from midnight tonight gay marriage becomes legal in the uk good luck to everyone who will tie the knot in the coming months and all the oganised religions still objecting you should hang your heads in shame love is love and who are you to tell people how to live there lives you are so out of touch with modern life then you wonder why your congregations are getting smaller and smaller. I'm not religious, live in the modern world, have no desire to tell people how to live their lives, but there are things I don't agree with: gay marriage is one of them. I will not be "hanging my head in shame" for voicing my opinion either! "same here... | |||
"If the church* only allows marriage between a man and a woman, then why would a same sex couple want to go and stand in that said church* and make religious vows and all the rest of it, knowing that the church* are frowning upon them, their relationship and life? *insert applicable religion." | |||
" I'm not religious, live in the modern world, have no desire to tell people how to live their lives, but there are things I don't agree with: gay marriage is one of them. I will not be "hanging my head in shame" for voicing my opinion either!
same here... "Really? Fucking hell I would. I respect your right to hold that opinion, I really do. But I don't respect that opinion at all. I'd like to hold that opinion down over a church altar and butt-fuck it into submission. | |||
"It should be like it is and no rules should be bend in the marriage thing. why do you think that..?Just think as it should be a tradition thing you know." So how long has the tradition of marriage between a man and a woman been in place? | |||
" I'm not religious, live in the modern world, have no desire to tell people how to live their lives, but there are things I don't agree with: gay marriage is one of them. I will not be "hanging my head in shame" for voicing my opinion either!
same here...
Really? Fucking hell I would.
I respect your right to hold that opinion, I really do. But I don't respect that opinion at all. I'd like to hold that opinion down over a church altar and butt-fuck it into submission. " | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs nothing against it but I would not want to see them in my church need I say more ffs" It's agains religious belief and it doesn't have anything to do with weather I personally believe it just shuns and sputs in the face of what you have been brought up to believe. I'm all for same sex marriages it just doesn't need to be in a house of god who made woman for man. I am the mist sexually liberated person I know and except people for who they are and not what they like or believe. Religion should be excepted in such a way. It is what it is so except it or move on | |||
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"Wonder how many muslims , hindu's or russian gays will walk down the aisle. Just a thought. "If they want to get married in a reg office, they can. As it stands right now, there are 2 definitions of marriage. Gay people can be married in the eyes of the state, but not the church. Also, they are consulting on making Civil partnerships available to "straights" | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? " I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe | |||
"Wonder how many muslims , hindu's or russian gays will walk down the aisle. Just a thought.
If they want to get married in a reg office, they can.
As it stands right now, there are 2 definitions of marriage. Gay people can be married in the eyes of the state, but not the church.
Also, they are consulting on making Civil partnerships available to "straights""And your point to my post was | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe " Should people who've had premarital sex get married in church? | |||
"As we started this thread thought we should just add although we do not believe we have nothing against religion as a concept the problem comes when man gets involved and uses it to control people and force there values and beliefs on others. We live in a small village you only have to visit a church on Sunday morning to see how irrelevant it has become virtually empty and those that are there are elderly to say the least. " A church I used to go to was alwasy packed at family mass. The monsignor was all about the family and future generations and people coming together. Children liked going there as they got involved. Onky I the summer when people were on holidays was it half empty. People liked it there because you felt like part of a bigger family | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs nothing against it but I would not want to see them in my church need I say more ffs It's agains religious belief and it doesn't have anything to do with weather I personally believe it just shuns and sputs in the face of what you have been brought up to believe. I'm all for same sex marriages it just doesn't need to be in a house of god who made woman for man. I am the mist sexually liberated person I know and except people for who they are and not what they like or believe. Religion should be excepted in such a way. It is what it is so except it or move on" Religion frequently "isn't what it is" - it changes from person to person and from day to day, even those from the same religion. The majority of religious people take whatever they feel is pertinent to themselves from that religion, and ignore what they don't want to believe in. I've never met a "believer" who isn't a hypocrite. | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe Should people who've had premarital sex get married in church?" I felt guilty about that when I did so went to confessio first. One priest refused to baptise my daughter because we were not married. Glad he moved to a different church a month later and new one was much more modern and all about the family | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe Should people who've had premarital sex get married in church? I felt guilty about that when I did so went to confessio first. One priest refused to baptise my daughter because we were not married. Glad he moved to a different church a month later and new one was much more modern and all about the family " It does seem rather hyporctical to go against the church's teachings and still expect to use them for baptisms etc but not extend this to others. I'm not religious at all but if Jesus (the biblical one) was a real person then his overall message was one of love and tolerance so I think he'd be pretty disgusted with the _iews of many of the religions that are around today (as I believe he was with regards to some of the Rabbi's in the bible) | |||
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"It should be like it is and no rules should be bend in the marriage thing. why do you think that..?Just think as it should be a tradition thing you know. So how long has the tradition of marriage between a man and a woman been in place?" Not sure but alot longer than a male and male, its not normal. Sorry but had to be said. | |||
" its not normal. Sorry but had to be said." do you feel the same about female and female. | |||
" its not normal. Sorry but had to be said. do you feel the same about female and female."lol no dont feel the same but yes should'nt be in a church thing (I am not reglious myself). | |||
" its not normal. Sorry but had to be said. do you feel the same about female and female.lol no dont feel the same but yes should'nt be in a church thing (I am not reglious myself)." | |||
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"So from midnight tonight gay marriage becomes legal in the uk good luck to everyone who will tie the knot in the coming months and all the oganised religions still objecting you should hang your heads in shame love is love and who are you to tell people how to live there lives you are so out of touch with modern life then you wonder why your congregations are getting smaller and smaller. " | |||
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"There's something that strict people of religion have never quite grasped and all because their natural order allows them to be exclusive from others and therefore bigoted towards them, in the old tradition of bigotry where, say for instance, a black woman couldnt sit next to them on a bus, but it never had to lead to an argument. Well they brought in the women priests, and you learned to accept them where you couldn't quite welcome them with open arms. You accepted that some bishops were going to be gay, because the house of the lord has no place for the real thoughts and feelings being reeled back from the edge of your tongue. Hell, it was hard enough accepting a black archbishop of Cantebury, because whereas christianity was forced onto Africa, it was meant as a means to make them quiet, obedient slaves, not great men that could preach virtues unto the white. I bet so many religious bigots dont know that there are nuns providing therapy to transsexuals awaiting their journey back into the world as the people they have transformed into and the people they believed they were always meant to be. The problem the strictly religious have is change itself. They dont understand that people shouldn't have to change with the church but that the church has to change with the people. Not only that, but the god they so believe in must change with humanity, otherwise He will become invalid and cease to exist. If that were to happen, then what? There's clearly still more Catholic Fear than Catholic Guilt, all those years of being told that you'll burn forever in Hell if you don't do as God wants... but that God loves you regardless of what you do or for how badly He burns you! What those die-hards havent quite grasped; nobody really needs you when the line is drawn in the sand, but you have a long ways to go when it comes to love, acceptance and forgiveness. In fact even the current pope would probably call you a neanderthal!" I think you may have deep underlying issues that probably need expressed in perhaps a more proffessional manner than a sex site. | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs" Tbh I'd be happy with that but given that religion is subsidised by the state then I don't think you should be allowed to discriminate. Pay tax or treat everyone the same would be my opinion | |||
"I think you may have deep underlying issues that probably need expressed in perhaps a more proffessional manner than a sex site. "Alternatively, you might want to read what the topic was about before judging me  | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe Should people who've had premarital sex get married in church? I felt guilty about that when I did so went to confessio first. One priest refused to baptise my daughter because we were not married. Glad he moved to a different church a month later and new one was much more modern and all about the family " Ok I'm confused. Am I missing something. You ignore the catholic belief of no sex before marriage. You feel aggrieved that a priest, in accordance with catholic beliefs refused to baptise your bastard child and yet you said: "Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs" So you ignore the principals that don;t suit you but then argue that the religious teaching should be respected for what they. But in the first post I;ve quoted you've applauded a more forward thinking and liberal priest but you've also stated " Religion should be accepted in such a way. It is what it is so accept it or move on" So when it suits you modernisation is a good thing but when it doesn't others should move on? But why should we? Why can't the catholic church move with the times? After all you've already shown that it can and even applauded it for doing so, so why can't it drag itself in to the 21st century on this issue as well? | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe Should people who've had premarital sex get married in church? I felt guilty about that when I did so went to confessio first. One priest refused to baptise my daughter because we were not married. Glad he moved to a different church a month later and new one was much more modern and all about the family Ok I'm confused. Am I missing something. You ignore the catholic belief of no sex before marriage. You feel aggrieved that a priest, in accordance with catholic beliefs refused to baptise your bastard child and yet you said: Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs So you ignore the principals that don;t suit you but then argue that the religious teaching should be respected for what they. But in the first post I;ve quoted you've applauded a more forward thinking and liberal priest but you've also stated Religion should be accepted in such a way. It is what it is so accept it or move on So when it suits you modernisation is a good thing but when it doesn't others should move on? But why should we? Why can't the catholic church move with the times? After all you've already shown that it can and even applauded it for doing so, so why can't it drag itself in to the 21st century on this issue as well?" Pretty much what I said before being told that I may have issues lol | |||
"I think you may have deep underlying issues that probably need expressed in perhaps a more proffessional manner than a sex site.
Alternatively, you might want to read what the topic was about before judging me "Did not judge, expressed a _iew on your preachings  | |||
"There's something that strict people of religion have never quite grasped and all because their natural order allows them to be exclusive from others and therefore bigoted towards them, in the old tradition of bigotry where, say for instance, a black woman couldnt sit next to them on a bus, but it never had to lead to an argument. Well they brought in the women priests, and you learned to accept them where you couldn't quite welcome them with open arms. You accepted that some bishops were going to be gay, because the house of the lord has no place for the real thoughts and feelings being reeled back from the edge of your tongue. Hell, it was hard enough accepting a black archbishop of Cantebury, because whereas christianity was forced onto Africa, it was meant as a means to make them quiet, obedient slaves, not great men that could preach virtues unto the white. I bet so many religious bigots dont know that there are nuns providing therapy to transsexuals awaiting their journey back into the world as the people they have transformed into and the people they believed they were always meant to be. The problem the strictly religious have is change itself. They dont understand that people shouldn't have to change with the church but that the church has to change with the people. Not only that, but the god they so believe in must change with humanity, otherwise He will become invalid and cease to exist. If that were to happen, then what? There's clearly still more Catholic Fear than Catholic Guilt, all those years of being told that you'll burn forever in Hell if you don't do as God wants... but that God loves you regardless of what you do or for how badly He burns you! What those die-hards havent quite grasped; nobody really needs you when the line is drawn in the sand, but you have a long ways to go when it comes to love, acceptance and forgiveness. In fact even the current pope would probably call you a neanderthal!" | |||
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"If churches wish to maintain their 'charity' status, making them exempt from taxes, they should be hold gay marriages. If they are unwilling to do so, lift their charitable status. It is 2014, not the 15th century. " I don't think churches should be forced to do anything outwith their doctrines. I am mightily sick of people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. As a divorce I can't get married in some churches. In my ex-husbands religion he can't remarry whilst I'm alive. People have not forced churches to recognise divorce, yet they're pushing same sex marriage in church. I like the fact there's a choice. What I don't like are personal choices being forced on the rest of us to accept: be it sharia law, same sex marriages in church etc. | |||
"If churches wish to maintain their 'charity' status, making them exempt from taxes, they should be hold gay marriages. If they are unwilling to do so, lift their charitable status. It is 2014, not the 15th century. I don't think churches should be forced to do anything outwith their doctrines. I am mightily sick of people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. As a divorce I can't get married in some churches. In my ex-husbands religion he can't remarry whilst I'm alive. People have not forced churches to recognise divorce, yet they're pushing same sex marriage in church. I like the fact there's a choice. What I don't like are personal choices being forced on the rest of us to accept: be it sharia law, same sex marriages in church etc." Don't force them but as they are descriminating against a group in our community they should lose their charity status. Why should they benefit from a taxless 'business' when they do nit wsnt yo include everyone. Society changes but churches hide behind their doctrine to discriminate againts gay marriages. The same churches that hid abuse by their employees. | |||
"If churches wish to maintain their 'charity' status, making them exempt from taxes, they should be hold gay marriages. If they are unwilling to do so, lift their charitable status. It is 2014, not the 15th century. I don't think churches should be forced to do anything outwith their doctrines. I am mightily sick of people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. As a divorce I can't get married in some churches. In my ex-husbands religion he can't remarry whilst I'm alive. People have not forced churches to recognise divorce, yet they're pushing same sex marriage in church. I like the fact there's a choice. What I don't like are personal choices being forced on the rest of us to accept: be it sharia law, same sex marriages in church etc." Oh the irony. Because the church never forced beliefs on anyone at the tip of a sword, in a torture chamber or through guilt. No one is forcing anything on you. You don't have to attend, churches don't have to perform the services if they dont want to. You just have to accept that the world isn't mired in the dark ages anymore and try to be happy about it. Just in case a child or grandchild one day says they're gay and wants to get married. | |||
"If churches wish to maintain their 'charity' status, making them exempt from taxes, they should be hold gay marriages. If they are unwilling to do so, lift their charitable status. It is 2014, not the 15th century. I don't think churches should be forced to do anything outwith their doctrines. I am mightily sick of people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. As a divorce I can't get married in some churches. In my ex-husbands religion he can't remarry whilst I'm alive. People have not forced churches to recognise divorce, yet they're pushing same sex marriage in church. I like the fact there's a choice. What I don't like are personal choices being forced on the rest of us to accept: be it sharia law, same sex marriages in church etc. Oh the irony. Because the church never forced beliefs on anyone at the tip of a sword, in a torture chamber or through guilt. No one is forcing anything on you. You don't have to attend, churches don't have to perform the services if they dont want to. You just have to accept that the world isn't mired in the dark ages anymore and try to be happy about it. Just in case a child or grandchild one day says they're gay and wants to get married. " If you manage to climb down off your high horse!
I know it may be hard for you to understand but believe it or not people will have differing opinions to yours and *shock! horror* they will express them. | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe Should people who've had premarital sex get married in church? I felt guilty about that when I did so went to confessio first. One priest refused to baptise my daughter because we were not married. Glad he moved to a different church a month later and new one was much more modern and all about the family Ok I'm confused. Am I missing something. You ignore the catholic belief of no sex before marriage. You feel aggrieved that a priest, in accordance with catholic beliefs refused to baptise your bastard child and yet you said: Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs So you ignore the principals that don;t suit you but then argue that the religious teaching should be respected for what they. But in the first post I;ve quoted you've applauded a more forward thinking and liberal priest but you've also stated Religion should be accepted in such a way. It is what it is so accept it or move on So when it suits you modernisation is a good thing but when it doesn't others should move on? But why should we? Why can't the catholic church move with the times? After all you've already shown that it can and even applauded it for doing so, so why can't it drag itself in to the 21st century on this issue as well?" I never put that last thing you quoted someone else did. I actually lost my faith for years when my innocence was stolen from me at 14. I was blessed with my basterd child when I had a void to fill after my nan died and I had spent the last 6 years of her life taking care of her. I felt lost and was gifted and found my faith again when I found out I was pregnant. | |||
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" So 20% of the country are bigoted ignorant fucks then?.. "Sadly, this is what anyone who does not agree with the PC brigade is labeled as. I don't think churches should have to agree to same sex marriages. It should remain entirely voluntary. That would probably get me labeled as a bigoted, ignorant fuck. Hey ho. | |||
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"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs bit of a contradictory statement..? in what way will a gay marriage ceremony having or will take place lessen anyone's religious beliefs when services take place.. can only assume that the presence of a gay Cpl not yet married or married elsewhere would not lessen the religious beliefs..? I mean as in it shouldn't be held in a church as sinful in the eyes of god. Sexual orientation clearly does not change what you believe Should people who've had premarital sex get married in church? I felt guilty about that when I did so went to confessio first. One priest refused to baptise my daughter because we were not married. Glad he moved to a different church a month later and new one was much more modern and all about the family Ok I'm confused. Am I missing something. You ignore the catholic belief of no sex before marriage. You feel aggrieved that a priest, in accordance with catholic beliefs refused to baptise your bastard child and yet you said: Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs So you ignore the principals that don;t suit you but then argue that the religious teaching should be respected for what they. But in the first post I;ve quoted you've applauded a more forward thinking and liberal priest but you've also stated Religion should be accepted in such a way. It is what it is so accept it or move on So when it suits you modernisation is a good thing but when it doesn't others should move on? But why should we? Why can't the catholic church move with the times? After all you've already shown that it can and even applauded it for doing so, so why can't it drag itself in to the 21st century on this issue as well? I never put that last thing you quoted someone else did. I actually lost my faith for years when my innocence was stolen from me at 14. I was blessed with my basterd child when I had a void to fill after my nan died and I had spent the last 6 years of her life taking care of her. I felt lost and was gifted and found my faith again when I found out I was pregnant. " Yes you did say it. Though I amended what I assume was a typo from excepted to accepted | |||
" So 20% of the country are bigoted ignorant fucks then?..
Sadly, this is what anyone who does not agree with the PC brigade is labeled as. I don't think churches should have to agree to same sex marriages. It should remain entirely voluntary. That would probably get me labeled as a bigoted, ignorant fuck. Hey ho.
"You and me both. It's like immigration: if you say something needs to be done about it: you're xenophobic. If you put "white only" on your profile you're a racist. If you don't agree with same sex marriage you're a homophobic, bigoted, neanderthal. | |||
" So 20% of the country are bigoted ignorant fucks then?..
Sadly, this is what anyone who does not agree with the PC brigade is labeled as. I don't think churches should have to agree to same sex marriages. It should remain entirely voluntary. That would probably get me labeled as a bigoted, ignorant fuck. Hey ho.
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" So 20% of the country are bigoted ignorant fucks then?..
Sadly, this is what anyone who does not agree with the PC brigade is labeled as. I don't think churches should have to agree to same sex marriages. It should remain entirely voluntary. That would probably get me labeled as a bigoted, ignorant fuck. Hey ho.
You and me both.
It's like immigration: if you say something needs to be done about it: you're xenophobic. If you put "white only" on your profile you're a racist. If you don't agree with same sex marriage you're a homophobic, bigoted, neanderthal.
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"If churches wish to maintain their 'charity' status, making them exempt from taxes, they should be hold gay marriages. If they are unwilling to do so, lift their charitable status. It is 2014, not the 15th century. I don't think churches should be forced to do anything outwith their doctrines. I am mightily sick of people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. As a divorce I can't get married in some churches. In my ex-husbands religion he can't remarry whilst I'm alive. People have not forced churches to recognise divorce, yet they're pushing same sex marriage in church. I like the fact there's a choice. What I don't like are personal choices being forced on the rest of us to accept: be it sharia law, same sex marriages in church etc. Oh the irony. Because the church never forced beliefs on anyone at the tip of a sword, in a torture chamber or through guilt. No one is forcing anything on you. You don't have to attend, churches don't have to perform the services if they dont want to. You just have to accept that the world isn't mired in the dark ages anymore and try to be happy about it. Just in case a child or grandchild one day says they're gay and wants to get married. If you manage to climb down off your high horse!
I know it may be hard for you to understand but believe it or not people will have differing opinions to yours and *shock! horror* they will express them. "Hmmm.....agreed. You are correct. But the trouble with opinion like yours is that we've been through all that already and when enough people have them, a lot of people get beaten up. A bit more tolerance is what is required, and the acceptance that the world is evolving, hopefully for the better. | |||
"If churches wish to maintain their 'charity' status, making them exempt from taxes, they should be hold gay marriages. If they are unwilling to do so, lift their charitable status. It is 2014, not the 15th century. I don't think churches should be forced to do anything outwith their doctrines. I am mightily sick of people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. As a divorce I can't get married in some churches. In my ex-husbands religion he can't remarry whilst I'm alive. People have not forced churches to recognise divorce, yet they're pushing same sex marriage in church. I like the fact there's a choice. What I don't like are personal choices being forced on the rest of us to accept: be it sharia law, same sex marriages in church etc. Oh the irony. Because the church never forced beliefs on anyone at the tip of a sword, in a torture chamber or through guilt. No one is forcing anything on you. You don't have to attend, churches don't have to perform the services if they dont want to. You just have to accept that the world isn't mired in the dark ages anymore and try to be happy about it. Just in case a child or grandchild one day says they're gay and wants to get married. If you manage to climb down off your high horse!
I know it may be hard for you to understand but believe it or not people will have differing opinions to yours and *shock! horror* they will express them.
Hmmm.....agreed. You are correct. But the trouble with opinion like yours is that we've been through all that already and when enough people have them, a lot of people get beaten up. A bit more tolerance is what is required, and the acceptance that the world is evolving, hopefully for the better. "I note you say "hopefully for the better"? Have you ever considered that things may not at all be getting better? Many aspects of life appear far from better. Time will tell. | |||
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"It should be like it is and no rules should be bend in the marriage thing." ... But rules been bent for years in the church! I know of a woman who was married and divorced 3 times... Had 7 children . She got married for the 4th time , in a church .. In white ( full works) how? Her and her hubby to be had to go church regular for 3 mths before the wedding lol ... Thats it! .... Good luck to all those , who ever they are, who get married and are happy!! | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs nothing against it but I would not want to see them in my church need I say more ffs" So, no gay weddings in your church, but swingers are ok? | |||
"I love a wedding. Gay or straight....good luck to everyone tying the knot x"me too | |||
"Why are just traditional churches getting hassle over their beliefs no one dares to mention mosques in this bizarrely. To clarify i believe marriage is for all but also respects other beliefs that churches should not be forced to go agaibst their ethos." churches have been going against their ethos for years! To change any rule ( even a tiny bit for what ever reason) is going against all thats the "norm" ... Some happy to move with the times... Some stuck in a time warp! | |||
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"If I married a bloke, do I get half his money when we get a divorce? Can I have the house too? " Not if you signed a prenup ... | |||
"If churches wish to maintain their 'charity' status, making them exempt from taxes, they should be hold gay marriages. If they are unwilling to do so, lift their charitable status. It is 2014, not the 15th century. I don't think churches should be forced to do anything outwith their doctrines. I am mightily sick of people forcing their beliefs on the rest of us. As a divorce I can't get married in some churches. In my ex-husbands religion he can't remarry whilst I'm alive. People have not forced churches to recognise divorce, yet they're pushing same sex marriage in church. I like the fact there's a choice. What I don't like are personal choices being forced on the rest of us to accept: be it sharia law, same sex marriages in church etc. Oh the irony. Because the church never forced beliefs on anyone at the tip of a sword, in a torture chamber or through guilt. No one is forcing anything on you. You don't have to attend, churches don't have to perform the services if they dont want to. You just have to accept that the world isn't mired in the dark ages anymore and try to be happy about it. Just in case a child or grandchild one day says they're gay and wants to get married. " Yes but how long will it be until vicars and priests, churches and mosques opposed to gay marriage ARE forced to conduct these gay marriage ceremonies against their will? This is what UKIP have hightlighted could possibly happen if a gay couple go to a church and are turned away because that particular church or the priest at that church refuses to conduct the ceremony because they are against gay marriage, we could then see some gay couples taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights, and saying their Human rights have been violated because they can't get married at that church, or mosque, etc. What if the European court of Human rights rules in favour of the gay couple? At the end of the day you have to respect people's individual religious beliefs, and no church, mosque, vicar or priest should ever be forced to conduct one of these gay marriage ceremonies against their will. We all know how much the European court of human rights likes to stick its nose into our countries affairs, and I feel its just a matter of time before we see legal cases being challenged against the churches or priests from the European Court of human rights on this subject. I'm all for equality in our society, got nothing against gays, but at the same time I strongly believe that individuals should have the right to personal freedom of choice and no one should ever be forced to do anything against their will. | |||
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" Yes but how long will it be until vicars and priests, churches and mosques opposed to gay marriage ARE forced to conduct these gay marriage ceremonies against their will? This is what UKIP have hightlighted could possibly happen if a gay couple go to a church and are turned away because that particular church or the priest at that church refuses to conduct the ceremony because they are against gay marriage, we could then see some gay couples taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights, and saying their Human rights have been violated because they can't get married at that church, or mosque, etc. What if the European court of Human rights rules in favour of the gay couple? At the end of the day you have to respect people's individual religious beliefs, and no church, mosque, vicar or priest should ever be forced to conduct one of these gay marriage ceremonies against their will. We all know how much the European court of human rights likes to stick its nose into our countries affairs, and I feel its just a matter of time before we see legal cases being challenged against the churches or priests from the European Court of human rights on this subject. I'm all for equality in our society, got nothing against gays, but at the same time I strongly believe that individuals should have the right to personal freedom of choice and no one should ever be forced to do anything against their will." Sigh, how unusual to see ignorance in a UKIP supporter. Vicars don't have to marry ANYONE they don't want to. Some churches won't marry people who don't attend the church regularly for example. | |||
" Yes but how long will it be until vicars and priests, churches and mosques opposed to gay marriage ARE forced to conduct these gay marriage ceremonies against their will? This is what UKIP have hightlighted could possibly happen if a gay couple go to a church and are turned away because that particular church or the priest at that church refuses to conduct the ceremony because they are against gay marriage, we could then see some gay couples taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights, and saying their Human rights have been violated because they can't get married at that church, or mosque, etc. What if the European court of Human rights rules in favour of the gay couple? At the end of the day you have to respect people's individual religious beliefs, and no church, mosque, vicar or priest should ever be forced to conduct one of these gay marriage ceremonies against their will. We all know how much the European court of human rights likes to stick its nose into our countries affairs, and I feel its just a matter of time before we see legal cases being challenged against the churches or priests from the European Court of human rights on this subject. I'm all for equality in our society, got nothing against gays, but at the same time I strongly believe that individuals should have the right to personal freedom of choice and no one should ever be forced to do anything against their will. Sigh, how unusual to see ignorance in a UKIP supporter. Vicars don't have to marry ANYONE they don't want to. Some churches won't marry people who don't attend the church regularly for example. " No ignorance here at all, in fact quite the opposite and i'm fully aware of the CURRENT rules around gay marriage and vicars or priests having the freedom of choice if they wish to conduct a gay marriage ceremony or voluntarily opt out of it if they are against it. These rules only apply to our courts here in Britain though, and do not apply to the European Court of Human rights (ECHR). As my previous post said UKIP have highlighted this and we could see disgruntled gay couples who have had marriage applications at churches turned down taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights on this subject to mount legal challenges against certain churches or priests. A vicar or priests right to freedom of conscience is central to this debate and should not be challenged in the European court of Human rights, yet the European Court of Human Rights have not commented on what their stance is on this yet, the whole thing is a just a huge can of worms waiting to be opened, so I guess only time will tell and we will have to see what happens? | |||
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" Yes but how long will it be until vicars and priests, churches and mosques opposed to gay marriage ARE forced to conduct these gay marriage ceremonies against their will? This is what UKIP have hightlighted could possibly happen if a gay couple go to a church and are turned away because that particular church or the priest at that church refuses to conduct the ceremony because they are against gay marriage, we could then see some gay couples taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights, and saying their Human rights have been violated because they can't get married at that church, or mosque, etc. What if the European court of Human rights rules in favour of the gay couple? At the end of the day you have to respect people's individual religious beliefs, and no church, mosque, vicar or priest should ever be forced to conduct one of these gay marriage ceremonies against their will. We all know how much the European court of human rights likes to stick its nose into our countries affairs, and I feel its just a matter of time before we see legal cases being challenged against the churches or priests from the European Court of human rights on this subject. I'm all for equality in our society, got nothing against gays, but at the same time I strongly believe that individuals should have the right to personal freedom of choice and no one should ever be forced to do anything against their will. Sigh, how unusual to see ignorance in a UKIP supporter. Vicars don't have to marry ANYONE they don't want to. Some churches won't marry people who don't attend the church regularly for example. No ignorance here at all, in fact quite the opposite and i'm fully aware of the CURRENT rules around gay marriage and vicars or priests having the freedom of choice if they wish to conduct a gay marriage ceremony or voluntarily opt out of it if they are against it. These rules only apply to our courts here in Britain though, and do not apply to the European Court of Human rights (ECHR). As my previous post said UKIP have highlighted this and we could see disgruntled gay couples who have had marriage applications at churches turned down taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights on this subject to mount legal challenges against certain churches or priests. A vicar or priests right to freedom of conscience is central to this debate and should not be challenged in the European court of Human rights, yet the European Court of Human Rights have not commented on what their stance is on this yet, the whole thing is a just a huge can of worms waiting to be opened, so I guess only time will tell and we will have to see what happens?" yep, fear mongering ignorance. Answer this question: What couple, of any sexuality, wants to be married by someone who is effectively being forced into performing the ceremony against their will? | |||
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Gays will get married. The value of lilac satin has already trebled ! | |||
"Nothing wrong with religious objections. I am a catholic and have nothing against gay marriage and am all for it. I just would not like to see it in my church as it goes against the whole religious beliefs nothing against it but I would not want to see them in my church need I say more ffs So, no gay weddings in your church, but swingers are ok?" | |||
" Yes but how long will it be until vicars and priests, churches and mosques opposed to gay marriage ARE forced to conduct these gay marriage ceremonies against their will? This is what UKIP have hightlighted could possibly happen if a gay couple go to a church and are turned away because that particular church or the priest at that church refuses to conduct the ceremony because they are against gay marriage, we could then see some gay couples taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights, and saying their Human rights have been violated because they can't get married at that church, or mosque, etc. What if the European court of Human rights rules in favour of the gay couple? At the end of the day you have to respect people's individual religious beliefs, and no church, mosque, vicar or priest should ever be forced to conduct one of these gay marriage ceremonies against their will. We all know how much the European court of human rights likes to stick its nose into our countries affairs, and I feel its just a matter of time before we see legal cases being challenged against the churches or priests from the European Court of human rights on this subject. I'm all for equality in our society, got nothing against gays, but at the same time I strongly believe that individuals should have the right to personal freedom of choice and no one should ever be forced to do anything against their will. Sigh, how unusual to see ignorance in a UKIP supporter. Vicars don't have to marry ANYONE they don't want to. Some churches won't marry people who don't attend the church regularly for example. No ignorance here at all, in fact quite the opposite and i'm fully aware of the CURRENT rules around gay marriage and vicars or priests having the freedom of choice if they wish to conduct a gay marriage ceremony or voluntarily opt out of it if they are against it. These rules only apply to our courts here in Britain though, and do not apply to the European Court of Human rights (ECHR). As my previous post said UKIP have highlighted this and we could see disgruntled gay couples who have had marriage applications at churches turned down taking their cases to the European Court of Human rights on this subject to mount legal challenges against certain churches or priests. A vicar or priests right to freedom of conscience is central to this debate and should not be challenged in the European court of Human rights, yet the European Court of Human Rights have not commented on what their stance is on this yet, the whole thing is a just a huge can of worms waiting to be opened, so I guess only time will tell and we will have to see what happens? yep, fear mongering ignorance. Answer this question: What couple, of any sexuality, wants to be married by someone who is effectively being forced into performing the ceremony against their will? " For me personally speaking no i would'nt want to force anyone to do anything against their will, but thats only me and i can't speak for other people. Some people who maybe fanatical about gay rights could potentially take this course of action though, and we have already seen a case that was in the news some months ago, where a gay couple were turned away from a bed and breakfast, because the owners of the B and B, were religious and because of their religious _iews did't want any gay couples staying there to share a double room. I think they were offered separate single rooms but declined? This gay couple then took the owners of the B and B to court to press charges against them for discrimination. They showed in that case they had no respect for the owners of the B and B's religious _iews and there was a big debate about this on Jeremy Vine's radio 2 talkshow. Would you really want to stay at a B and B where you were not welcome because of the owners having certain religious beliefs? Me personally i would'nt want to stay at that B and B if i was gay, and would respect the owner religious beliefs, but this gay couple did take the case to court, so it's also fair to assume the same could happen now with the refusal of a church to do a gay marriage. | |||
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