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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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IF and I IF the Malaysian Jet was deliberately diverted and hijacked as is being reported .... how did the hijackers manage to get 239 people's mobile phones from them without anyone managing to send a message to a loved one describing the situation? .... has anyone else had this thought? or can possibly raise a sensible insightful thought into this?   |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"they are now thinking the pilot had something to do with it !!!"
I don't believe one person could collect 239 people's mobile phones without causing some anxiety or distress to the people on board the plane, therefore at least one person (although I believe many more) would have managed to send out a message describing the situation |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This thought was voiced on breakfast news, yesterday... And no-one since has come up with a sensible answer... "
I might have a half sensible answer .. but not sure if technology is capable of this ... - if all the comms technology is turned off on the plane would this in effect disable all mobile signals? thus no message to anyone? its a thought now sure how possible it is? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To send a text message or make a call from a mobile, you need an ariel, and there's not many of them covering the ocean. No ariel, no signal.
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they use GPS don't they? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To send a text message or make a call from a mobile, you need an ariel, and there's not many of them covering the ocean. No ariel, no signal.
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this. plus the altitude. you can only get a signal below a certain altitude and this plane was well above that when it vanished. also, i think the events of 9/11 have given us an expectation that phone calls or texts would happen. frankly, that was a one off. normally, communication is completely cut rather than forced as it was in that situation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To send a text message or make a call from a mobile, you need an ariel, and there's not many of them covering the ocean. No ariel, no signal.
they use GPS don't they?"
not to transmit texts or phone calls. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To send a text message or make a call from a mobile, you need an ariel, and there's not many of them covering the ocean. No ariel, no signal.
this. plus the altitude. you can only get a signal below a certain altitude and this plane was well above that when it vanished. also, i think the events of 9/11 have given us an expectation that phone calls or texts would happen. frankly, that was a one off. normally, communication is completely cut rather than forced as it was in that situation. "
I am not arguing with anything written here and not being deliberately controversial but ... hasn't it been reported that the plane flew for a few hours at a very low altitude to avoid detection on radars? |
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"To send a text message or make a call from a mobile, you need an ariel, and there's not many of them covering the ocean. No ariel, no signal.
this. plus the altitude. you can only get a signal below a certain altitude and this plane was well above that when it vanished. also, i think the events of 9/11 have given us an expectation that phone calls or texts would happen. frankly, that was a one off. normally, communication is completely cut rather than forced as it was in that situation. "
It probably went higher for that particular reason, until all mobiles etc had been taken or made safe |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sudden decompression thru some fault on the plane would/could. Cause it...yous have no time to make a call! . Although isnt the cocpit seperate for this scenereo? "
decompression would make the oxygen masks come down I believe ... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To send a text message or make a call from a mobile, you need an ariel, and there's not many of them covering the ocean. No ariel, no signal.
this. plus the altitude. you can only get a signal below a certain altitude and this plane was well above that when it vanished. also, i think the events of 9/11 have given us an expectation that phone calls or texts would happen. frankly, that was a one off. normally, communication is completely cut rather than forced as it was in that situation.
It probably went higher for that particular reason, until all mobiles etc had been taken or made safe"
sounds like a plan |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you decompressed to a degree where the passengers became unconscious?
didn't that occurs in the first instance with the passengers on that Greek plane? They were all rendered unconscious but were all still in their seats when found. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
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yep I am understanding where you are coming from but .... there has not been any debris indicating that the plane blew up or crashed so far ... at this precise moment in time - it is a missing plane |
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"Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
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no no  standard procedure
is to take a photo and put on faceplook  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
yep I am understanding where you are coming from but .... there has not been any debris indicating that the plane blew up or crashed so far ... at this precise moment in time - it is a missing plane "
just as there is no debris though....there is noone meaning demands for the release of hostages indicating a hijacking.
its an unusual situation.
planned have in the past actually made interact water landings. if this happened the plane sunk intact and quite possibly no debris will show up and any survivors won't be easily found.
at this stage many things could possibly have happened. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There have been numerous psychological studies which show people will do as they're told when given instructions by an authority figure, even when they're uncomfortable with what's being asked of them.
Those who know their own mind can easily be persuaded by the actions of the rest of the group to conform.
So getting over 200 people to hand their phones over really wouldn't be that difficult! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
yep I am understanding where you are coming from but .... there has not been any debris indicating that the plane blew up or crashed so far ... at this precise moment in time - it is a missing plane
just as there is no debris though....there is noone meaning demands for the release of hostages indicating a hijacking.
its an unusual situation.
planned have in the past actually made interact water landings. if this happened the plane sunk intact and quite possibly no debris will show up and any survivors won't be easily found.
at this stage many things could possibly have happened. "
yep it's a total mystery ... I guess it also depends how long it flew for after it was last pinpointed as a short flight would possibly have made an oil slick had it gone down and not broken up in the sea |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
no no standard procedure
is to take a photo and put on faceplook "
Or log onto fab |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
no no standard procedure
is to take a photo and put on faceplook
Or log onto fab "
would that be to say they can no longer make their meet? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Try and imagine the situation.
The shock of hijack
The realisation of imminent mortality
The fact that perhaps nobody was aware the cockpit was lost.
The very high probability that the plane may have been blown up resulting in not much time to text.
Or that while fighting to control the aircraft the plane was in a steep dive. Think in that or any of the situations people thought 'I know I'll send a text'
no no standard procedure
is to take a photo and put on faceplook
Or log onto fab
would that be to say they can no longer make their meet? "
Pahhhh I've heard it all now! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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if it was stolen and by now could be totally dismantled and ready to sell as spare parts being a tidy little profit!!
I think authorities should be keeping an eye on various buy and sell Web sites across the world |
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"Could be anything, spray water, food, air supply napkins.
I do know a majority of Chinese wear masks when travelling to stop fumes etc"
the chinese wearing masks has nothing to do with fumes most wear them to stop the spread of colds,or flu as the light face mask will not stop fumes |
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"Could be anything, spray water, food, air supply napkins.
I do know a majority of Chinese wear masks when travelling to stop fumes etc
the chinese wearing masks has nothing to do with fumes most wear them to stop the spread of colds,or flu as the light face mask will not stop fumes "
Coming from smoggy places I guess they're used for both |
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in a sudden decompression the oxygen masks dont just flop down for the pilots ... they have to reach out and locate them in the cabin .. so maybe the crew were virtually instantaneously unconcious at the controls ... the plane then flew itself intact til it ran out of fuel and fell from the sky on its last heading |
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The fact that ACARS was turned off and then several minutes later the transponder was turned off, after signing off from Malaysia air traffic, all points to deliberate action, not sudden catastrophe. This was apparent as soon as it was reported around wednesday this week.
It is highly possible the passengers knew nothing about it for a good while as the inflight map display could have been turned off too.
Height and lack of mobile coverage could easily explain why no calls/txts were made, along with a controlled search and collection of mobiles from passengers once the flightdeck was fully secured. The reports of phones ringing is a red herring as many mobile operators give a ring tone before going to voicemail.
You can buy a mobile phone blocker for around £30. It will knock out all the phones in a concert hall and they are used throughout Europe for this purpose, though banned in the UK.
Any or all of the above would account for the reported facts thus far. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"ok like the theory ... what happened to the comms and stuff though? didnt this happen to Glen Campbell and they could track the plane? "
do you mean glen millar |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"ok like the theory ... what happened to the comms and stuff though? didnt this happen to Glen Campbell and they could track the plane?
do you mean glen millar"
I might have lol I had the first name right |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The fact that ACARS was turned off and then several minutes later the transponder was turned off, after signing off from Malaysia air traffic, all points to deliberate action, not sudden catastrophe. This was apparent as soon as it was reported around wednesday this week.
It is highly possible the passengers knew nothing about it for a good while as the inflight map display could have been turned off too.
Height and lack of mobile coverage could easily explain why no calls/txts were made, along with a controlled search and collection of mobiles from passengers once the flightdeck was fully secured. The reports of phones ringing is a red herring as many mobile operators give a ring tone before going to voicemail.
You can buy a mobile phone blocker for around £30. It will knock out all the phones in a concert hall and they are used throughout Europe for this purpose, though banned in the UK.
Any or all of the above would account for the reported facts thus far."
Now this is all making some form of sense ... and was what I was after ... thank you |
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Obviously, we only know what the authorities are releasing to the press. I doubt very much that they are releasing all the info gleaned thus far, in case it compromises any lines of investigation.
My own view at this time, is that it may have all gone horribly wrong, and that the plane has crashed, or it was planned to end that way.
If it was a terrorist type hijack, with a successful landing at some remote or improvised airstrip, then by now they would have moved all the hostages and split them up, and possibly made an announcement, or opened channels of communication (this may have happened and negotiations may be taking place). If it was some lone wolf type hijack, it may be that it was intended to end in martyrdom, but I would have expected that to have been visible and public.
I'm starting to think that the plane has probably crashed, either by trying to land at a dodgy airstrip, or by premature detonation of explosives mid flight, after dropping off the radar.
This is just supposition on my part, and like everyone else, we can do nothing more than wait for further information |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"IF and I IF the Malaysian Jet was deliberately diverted and hijacked as is being reported .... how did the hijackers manage to get 239 people's mobile phones from them without anyone managing to send a message to a loved one describing the situation? .... has anyone else had this thought? or can possibly raise a sensible insightful thought into this? "
Iran jet 655 comes to mind here |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I read something yesterday about the family of one of the pilots that moved out of their house the day before the plane disappeared. Haven't seen anything else about that.
If the pilots were both set on flying elsewhere, no-one on the plane needed to know. If it just kept flying they would all assume everything was ok. |
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