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Could full employment ever be achieved again in Britain
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"In the 50's and 60's women weren't generally in employment. So technically the amount of people in employment is higher now then it was then. " Women have always worked. | |||
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"In the 50's and 60's women weren't generally in employment. So technically the amount of people in employment is higher now then it was then. Women have always worked." Just didn't always get paid for it.  | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government " yes every one should earn their money! it would get them back into the working routine | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government " Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. " There are a lot of people that can't work.But there's a huge amount of people that could . They need sorting out. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. " not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government " Sure ...... but before that happens give me all my contributions back that I have pain toward unemployment benefit .. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go" there are hundreds of reasons | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a gothere are hundreds of reasons" I would say excuses more than reasons! most could manage a few hours a week of doing something appropriate that would contribute! | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. " I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go" Illness, disability, mental health issues just off the top of my head. Me I have cancer and fibromyalgia neither of them curable and can be very debilitating on some days less so on others. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a gothere are hundreds of reasons I would say excuses more than reasons! most could manage a few hours a week of doing something appropriate that would contribute!" They would still be getting in-work benefits as we pay out more to those working and those sponging retired people than we do to the unemployed. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government " Some already do..in order to 'keep' their benefits...  | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go Illness, disability, mental health issues just off the top of my head. Me I have cancer and fibromyalgia neither of them curable and can be very debilitating on some days less so on others. " It's just a shame that the false claimants make it harder for the deserving people Ones that say, I'm to fat to work really make my blood boil | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back." What about those providing care to someone? They will appear in the stats as unemployed not giving anything but are saving the state thousands. | |||
"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc. Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed. People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs. 77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector. If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable. Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands." That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. What about those providing care to someone? They will appear in the stats as unemployed not giving anything but are saving the state thousands. "  don't we just | |||
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"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc. Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed. People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs. 77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector. If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable. Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands. That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people" Because the British don't want many of the jobs, a friend of mine, a farmer can't get local British people to work for him. Not for the want of trying. | |||
"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc. Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed. People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs. 77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector. If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable. Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands. That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people" Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them. | |||
"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc. Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed. People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs. 77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector. If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable. Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands. That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them. " It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government " If there is a need for that work to be done surely it is only correct that those doing it are paid a fair wage? | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back." Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. | |||
" It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on" and by wages a lot of them would be "minimum wage"....
they are prepared to do a lot of the jobs that some think are "beneath" them... too hard!!! | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government If there is a need for that work to be done surely it is only correct that those doing it are paid a fair wage? " Why? They either go out and get a job themselves or they get assigned a job and claim benefits. It will cost to find someone suitable employment so it's in their best interests to do it for themselves and get paid more | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. " It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government If there is a need for that work to be done surely it is only correct that those doing it are paid a fair wage? " it is was me... I'd be radical... pay them the minimum wage up to the amount they get at the moment... it would be somewhere around 10-11 hrs per week... but at least they would do something for the money... community service | |||
"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc. Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed. People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs. 77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector. If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable. Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands. That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them. It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on" No, the foreigners still need to eat, pay for transport and pay rent. Many British think the jobs are beneath them and when forced to do them do them badly. I believe people should be paid a fair living wage as a minimum but I have employed enough work placements and worked with enough young Brits to have a sense of their unrealistic job expectations. I just don't buy the foreigners take our jobs/undercut our salaries argument as a reason for unemployment. | |||
"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc. Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed. People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs. 77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector. If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable. Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands. That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them. " After going to school, college, university I do expect a lot of jobs to be beneath them. most jobs are handed to them and are hidden jobs. With immigration at a high with also automative jobs, there will be less choice. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go" how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!! | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later" So why after almost 40 years of paying into the system wouldn't I claim? it was contributed to by people such as myself for claimants such as myself, when in need, no matter the time scale? | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!!" as a tax payer in general its my business | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later So why after almost 40 years of paying into the system wouldn't I claim? it was contributed to by people such as myself for claimants such as myself, when in need, no matter the time scale? " You made a contribution in 1980 for the year of 1980. You didn't make it so that it covered you for a year in 2014. Of course the system is there to help people in need but the argument that you paid in for 40 years so are in someway entitled to claim on that basis isn't valid. If you said to your boss, I've worked for you for 25 years so I'm not working this year you'd be out on your ear. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!! as a tax payer in general its my business" its my business to know ass a tax payer what is deemed as unfit to work these days ! its none of my business to know personal circumstances i'm talking in general what is deemed a disability these days as the list seems to grow every few months | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later So why after almost 40 years of paying into the system wouldn't I claim? it was contributed to by people such as myself for claimants such as myself, when in need, no matter the time scale? You made a contribution in 1980 for the year of 1980. You didn't make it so that it covered you for a year in 2014. Of course the system is there to help people in need but the argument that you paid in for 40 years so are in someway entitled to claim on that basis isn't valid. If you said to your boss, I've worked for you for 25 years so I'm not working this year you'd be out on your ear." What I mean is in those near 40 years others have reaped the benefits of my contributions so why shouldn't I be entitled to claim from those who pay into the system now? It's not like a pension scheme, it's more a pay it forward. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!! as a tax payer in general its my business" no!!!! As a tax payer as well this person's circumstances aren't my business nor is it yours. Paying tax doesn't give us that right as a tax payer paying into nhs why don't you send me the results of your latest medical scan wether smear or prostate probe? ???  | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government " Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I? | |||
"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc. Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed. People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs. 77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector. If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable. Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands. That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them. It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on No, the foreigners still need to eat, pay for transport and pay rent. Many British think the jobs are beneath them and when forced to do them do them badly. I believe people should be paid a fair living wage as a minimum but I have employed enough work placements and worked with enough young Brits to have a sense of their unrealistic job expectations. I just don't buy the foreigners take our jobs/undercut our salaries argument as a reason for unemployment. " Maybe for jobs like fast food or cleaning our kids seem to think it's beneath them. But in the building trade the foreign works are working for a lot less than we possibly could. | |||
"Haven't read the thread so apologies if this has been said but there was an article about Iceland which suggested that letting their banks default has lead them to have 3% unemployment and under 2% is more than achievable. I forget the specifics but you could always google it if interested." I heard something about that on R4 too. They sort of just started again with a clean slate. The world didn't collapse. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I?" No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself | |||
"Haven't read the thread so apologies if this has been said but there was an article about Iceland which suggested that letting their banks default has lead them to have 3% unemployment and under 2% is more than achievable. I forget the specifics but you could always google it if interested. I heard something about that on R4 too. They sort of just started again with a clean slate. The world didn't collapse. " They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though. Hot to go things properly | |||
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"Is there any possibility that Britain could reach the levels of employment as a % of the population reached in the 50s and 60s." not in my lifetime  | |||
"Is there any possibility that Britain could reach the levels of employment as a % of the population reached in the 50s and 60s." Silly question | |||
"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though. Hot to go things properly" Yes please, I'd vote for this. | |||
"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though. Hot to go things properly Yes please, I'd vote for this." I'd vote for this as well | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I? No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself " Genius idea. Then we can add all the now unemployed road sweepers and highways maintenance folk onto the dole and make them do the same job for a fraction of the wage  | |||
"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though. got to do things properly Yes please, I'd vote for this. I'd vote for this as well "Wasn't a vote, it was people power. With the UK, people are too divided for it to work | |||
"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though. got to do things properly Yes please, I'd vote for this. I'd vote for this as well
Wasn't a vote, it was people power.
With the UK, people are too divided for it to work"Too apathetic to be properly divided. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. " Yes, funny how quickly that is forgotten as soon as someone claims benefit. All of a sudden it becomes "free money" that should require a contribution. Never mind that it's actually supposed to be an insurance policy, paid for by tax and NI over however many years. There is a big difference between never having worked and claiming benefits and claiming because you need to from a system you contributed to when you were working. I'm so tired of hearing how all benefit claimants are lazy scum who don't want to work and should "give something back" for being kept in the lap of luxury (apparently) at the "expense of the hard-working tax payer". Don't believe everything the government and the media tell you. | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back. Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later" National Insurance. The clue is in the name. Some money is for services which you use now. Some is for services you might need, like the NHS, the welfare system and, if you live long enough, a pension. Pensions actually come out of the welfare budget and that bill is by faaaaaaaaaar the largest to come from that budget. | |||
"Don't believe everything THIS government and the media tell you." Just this government? They all lie and spin the facts. | |||
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"my hubby should have retired at 65 he will be 70 in july cant afford to stop but is he robbing someone of his job? a lot of older people are still working past retirement age"
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government yes every one should earn their money! it would get them back into the working routine" Lest we forget some people on benefits have worked all their lives to pay into the system, to then have to claim from it. So you're asking them to work twice for their money? No system is flawless. Shop the benefit cheats and leave the people who really need/ deserve or are entitled to them alone to do so. | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, " fantastic attitude ..i am a 42 year old woman who has worked my whole life until 14 month ago when i was ran over by an uninsured driver ( in full time employment ) i had serious back injuries and lost the use of my right arm ...i had to pay for all my medical care as the nhs waiting list was too long and i would have lost my arm permanently ..i was able to claim JSA for 6 months but since last july i havent had a penny as my 'boyfriend' should support me according to the job centre ..buti should be litter picking ...dear god ..i hope you never hit hard times !! | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, fantastic attitude ..i am a 42 year old woman who has worked my whole life until 14 month ago when i was ran over by an uninsured driver ( in full time employment ) i had serious back injuries and lost the use of my right arm ...i had to pay for all my medical care as the nhs waiting list was too long and i would have lost my arm permanently ..i was able to claim JSA for 6 months but since last july i havent had a penny as my 'boyfriend' should support me according to the job centre ..buti should be litter picking ...dear god ..i hope you never hit hard times !!" Obviously you should be giving something back to society for the fantastic assistance you've received. Apparently. That's the trouble with people who blindly believe government rhetoric and media bullshit, they don't have half a clue what the situation actually is, in the real world. | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I? No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself " In the depths of this recession? Fortunately Slave Labour is still illegal | |||
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" Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. Illness, disability, mental health issues just off the top of my head. Me I have cancer and fibromyalgia neither of them curable and can be very debilitating on some days less so on others. " that would be why you don't count towards the unemployment statistics. | |||
"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government " But make sure they are getting paid NMW for the work.... | |||
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"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I? No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself In the depths of this recession? Fortunately Slave Labour is still illegal" That doesn't mean its not still happening. | |||
