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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

now in the news they reckon its been hijacked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And taken to where tho ?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Lord Lucan, Elvis and shergar

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

"And taken to where tho ?"

don't know

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

"Lord Lucan, Elvis and shergar "

I may have ate shergar!!!

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By *2clovinitCouple over a year ago

North Yorkshire

How long to the Alien theory pops up?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How long to the Alien theory pops up? "

all ready has according to c5 tonight

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

they say pirates now

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By *ichaelangelaCouple over a year ago

notts

i said that in the first thread on here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

nah...wormhole.

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

"i said that in the first thread on here

the good thing abt that is that they may not be dead

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By *ark n gemCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

What if its already landed n the ppl n pilots have no clue whatsoever what us going on ? Stranger things have happened

Or it may have crashed landed into a massive hot tub time machine so in thatcase no one will ffind it (ive had a few vodkas sorry)

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

maybe they were just too good at hide n seek

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they say pirates now"

Are you making this up as you go along?

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By *erseysideridersCouple over a year ago

wallasey

its in the Bermuda triangle nothing gets out of there ,,

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

I like the theory that they didn't crash into the sea or explode and will either be found or the hijackers will make contact

must be awful for the families

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

"they say pirates now

Are you making this up as you go along? "

no it was on the news and its whats being reported in the papers

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"they say pirates now

Are you making this up as you go along? "

I don't think anyone could make this up to be fair....it's all a bit bizarre

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

id like to see them all found safe and well

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By *aughtySexualArousalMan over a year ago

SPALDING

If you ask me I think there is something really dodgy about this, there is something they're not telling us. There's more than meets the eye. That programme that was on C5 tonight was bullshit too.

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

"If you ask me I think there is something really dodgy about this, there is something they're not telling us. There's more than meets the eye. That programme that was on C5 tonight was bullshit too."

it also shows they can still hijack planes so much for security

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they say pirates now"

I had nothing to do with it!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"If you ask me I think there is something really dodgy about this, there is something they're not telling us. There's more than meets the eye. That programme that was on C5 tonight was bullshit too."

It was professor plum in the library with the candle stick

lol

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By *aughtySexualArousalMan over a year ago

SPALDING

"If you ask me I think there is something really dodgy about this, there is something they're not telling us. There's more than meets the eye. That programme that was on C5 tonight was bullshit too.

It was professor plum in the library with the candle stick

lol "

Now that is why you have the name you do lol. Naughty but I like it

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By *ark n gemCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"If you ask me I think there is something really dodgy about this, there is something they're not telling us. There's more than meets the eye. That programme that was on C5 tonight was bullshit too.

It was professor plum in the library with the candle stick

lol "

Ouch , wonder if he used lube ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I smell a rat, the Malaysians don't seem that cooperative and I think they know something that we dont.

Certainly something fishy going on.

You don't just lose a plane that size! First no contact at all now a signal was picked up for 5 hours after last contact. You can trace a mobile phone anywhere in the world but lose a huge plane?

They didn't find the Airfrance wreckage for 2 years but found the tail etc floating within days.

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By *octor DeleriumMan over a year ago

Wellingborough

"now in the news they reckon its been hijacked "

Looking at all the evidence from various sources; two stolen passports (at least, on board) even if they were 'travelling to seek asylum', no Mayday or hijack code, sudden change in course and then nothing, Chinese geological seismic data and an oil rig worker reporting a flaming trail in the sky, recall for inspection of, by the FAA, Boeing triple 7s due to cracks around the SATCOM antennae:

"We received a report of cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin underneath the SATCOM antenna adapter".

During a maintenance planning data inspection, one operator reported a 16-inch crack under the 3-bay SATCOM antenna adapter plate in the crown skin of the fuselage on an aeroplane that was 14 years old with approximately 14,000 total flight cycles.

Subsequent to this crack finding, the same operator inspected 42 other aeroplanes that are between 6 and 16 years old and found some local corrosion, but no other cracking. Cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, if not corrected, could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the aeroplane."

A cockpit fire, as happened on EgyptAir flight MS667 in 2011, is one such possibility.

A severe cockpit fire occurred in July 2011 on the same make and model airplane (Boeing 777-200, a.k.a. B772) as MH370, while it was sitting at the gate, destroying most of the cockpit within minutes, destroying nearly all instruments, and burning a 2 foot hole through the fuselage. The pilots were not able to extinguish the rapid, hot, oxygen-fueled fire using their cabin fire-extinguisher.

Fortunately, Egypt Air MS667 was on the ground, and firefighters arrived within three minutes (although it took 90 minutes to extinguish the fire).

Secondly; Egyptian investigators have failed to pinpoint the cause of the fire which destroyed an EgyptAir Boeing 777-200 at Cairo.

But the inquiry suggests a possible short-circuit or other fault resulted in electrical heating of the first officer's oxygen system hose, stored beneath the right-hand cockpit window.

This oxygen-rich environment contributed to the intensity and speed of the blaze.

Routine checks by the crew, in preparation for the 29 July 2011 flight, revealed the oxygen system pressure was normal. But while the pilots waited for the last few passengers to board, the first officer said there was a "bang" from the right side of his seat and he saw a 10cm "crack" appear in the side-wall adjacent to the oxygen mask.

The cockpit-voice recorder captured a "pop" followed by a hissing noise, similar to the escape of pressurised gas, says the inquiry.

"I unfastened the seat-belt immediately and stood up very quickly," the first officer told investigators. "At the same time the captain left his seat quickly. The smoke and fire were spreading very quickly. After that, the captain ordered me to get out of the cockpit."

The captain attempted to extinguish the fire but said: "The fire bottle was completely depleted without any influence on the fire intensity."

Investigators say fire-fighting personnel arrived after 3 minutes. The fire was extinguished and aircraft cooling was completed around 90min after the blaze broke out.

In the wake of the EgyptAir fire the FAA has ordered the replacement of hoses on 777s with non-conductive versions to reduce the risk of combustion.

Recent news stories have suggested that one or more of the crew smoked whilst flying,

and that they allowed passengers into the cockpit during the flight.

I'm inclined to go for a decompression at altitude due to explosion (terrorism), fire or structural failure.

The last two are most plausible and, even if the crew were immobilised due to lack of oxygen, or dead, it's possible for the aircraft to fly on for at least 70 miles on glide, or longer if the engines are still engaged, if the structural failure did not cause disintegration of the fuselage at altitude; a sudden change in heading and altitude drop can extinguish fires.

This may explain why the Inmarsat continued to upload for several hours after loss of communication.

In terms of survivability; sudden decompression of an airframe at altitude is, usually, a non-survival event.

At least you are going to be unconscious or dead due to hypoxia and/or hypothermia, or extremely confused by the time the aircraft hits the ocean or as the airlines suggest 'lands on water'.

Hi-jackers tend to get the aircraft to land and then make demands.

Doctor Nasty

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

they were saying some of the mobile phones were ringing,so it cant be under water,so why have they not tracked the phones?

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By *octor DeleriumMan over a year ago

Wellingborough

You don't just lose a plane that size! First no contact at all now a signal was picked up for 5 hours after last contact. You can trace a mobile phone anywhere in the world but lose a huge plane?

They didn't find the Airfrance wreckage for 2 years but found the tail etc floating within days."

It depends on your radar coverage of the area and what, actually happened.

Some aircraft parts float, as do some bodies but F447 was 3800 - 4000 metres underwater. The first wreckage and bodies were recovered within 5 days but the surface scan of the ocean exceeded 1320000 square kilometres.

Bodies were recovered 80 km apart.

The aircraft frame, flight recorders and most of the bodies were only recovered after employing highly sophisticated search techniques and equipment, based on probabilities using Bayesian statistics,

Doctor Nasty

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By *octor DeleriumMan over a year ago

Wellingborough

"they were saying some of the mobile phones were ringing,so it cant be under water,so why have they not tracked the phones?"

See hypoxia and hypothermia, above.

I doubt that any mobile phone would retain charge now and, remember, that you are supposed to turn them off/ to flight safe mode once the aircraft doors are closed.

The power drain on a mobile is substantially increased if it is searching for a base station; if this out of range or at the limit of the mobile telephones antennae capability, the battery life will be minimal.

Mobile phones can also be left at home, in hotel rooms etc.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"If you ask me I think there is something really dodgy about this, there is something they're not telling us. There's more than meets the eye. That programme that was on C5 tonight was bullshit too.

it also shows they can still hijack planes so much for security"

Of course planes can still be hijacked despite all the increased security following 9/11. Why would you think they couldn't be? I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that any measure has completely removed that risk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Has there been any txt messages or panic phone calls received by relatives of those on the plane?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It was carrying a secret biological weapon that turns everybody into sex fiends that need lovin every 3 hours,and a super rich megalomaniac swiped it out of the sky with helicopters and sky hooks and it's in a dormant volcano in bora bora ... His world ransom demands are out but the governments are sworn to secrecy !

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By *empting Devil.Woman over a year ago

Sheffield

"Has there been any txt messages or panic phone calls received by relatives of those on the plane?"

The area it went missing in was too far from land to get Amy kind of signal. So even if they switched phones on in an attempt to contact loved ones the phone would not have found a network.

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By *udie_GirlTV/TS over a year ago

Rochdale

"id like to see them all found safe and well "

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By *aughtySexualArousalMan over a year ago

SPALDING

So now they reckon it's been hijacked and went the wrong way. Is it just me but does it seem that they are trying to now just brush it under the carpet by making something up??

Like I said before just seems rather dodgy and seems like they're hiding something

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"i said that in the first thread on here

the good thing abt that is that they may not be dead"

yet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well I just hope to god they are safe ........ and each day I am sure we are going to find out more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has there been any txt messages or panic phone calls received by relatives of those on the plane?"

Weirdly people have been calling the passengers phones and they've been ringing.

Google it.

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By *ightkitty4uWoman over a year ago

Epsom

I'm going with the wormhole theory....

Or they crash landed on the "Lost" Island.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Something just seems off to me. Like someone said, making it up as they go along.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dear Doctor Nasty (who wrote the short novel above)

- have you considered that the plane was hijacked, not for ransom or political gain but for something far more sinister, - like stealing the plane?

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

Not that unusual, some phone companies will give a ring tone for a couple of rings and then go to voicemail

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

Let's hope that they're all alive - I find it disappointing that people on here are making smart alec comments about the potential death of 239 people

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

"Let's hope that they're all alive - I find it disappointing that people on here are making smart alec comments about the potential death of 239 people"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can only think of one reason why anyone would want to steal a plane...............

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can only think of one reason why anyone would want to steal a plane..............."
it was full of rare exotic and expensive snakes?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's hope that they're all alive - I find it disappointing that people on here are making smart alec comments about the potential death of 239 people

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

someone suggested in conversation catastrophic depressurisation ... everyone has died and the plane flew itself on til its run out of fuel and fallen from the sky

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By *opinovMan over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

I'm just waiting for Nibiru to appear any moment now.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Let's hope that they're all alive - I find it disappointing that people on here are making smart alec comments about the potential death of 239 people"

I do too but at the same time something sinister had happened and the media has been playing us for fools.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's say the plane has been stolen,

Where the hell do you hide a passenger plane? And it's passengers?

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

I thought a while back that the most likely explanation was hijack. The ACARS system went off then the transponder went off 30 mins later. This strongly suggests deliberate action rather than sudden catastrophic failure.

My guess would be that some or all of the flight deck crew were complicit due to the knowledge required to isolate the transponder and ACARS, and knowing precisely when the handover from Malaysian airspace to Vietnamese airspace was occurring.

Having only flown military aircraft, I'm not familiar with all the civil procedures, but I'm amazed that the airspace handover is passive, and thus nothing was triggered automatically when they did not announce themselves to Vienam air control. This gave the Hijackers a 15 minute or so window, to change course and disable the systems mentioned above.

It's not unusual for terrorist groups not to claim responsibility until they are ready. No one has yet (credibly) claimed responsibility for Lockerbie.

Further, we can't expect to be told everything the authorities know at this stage, in case it compromises lines of investigation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Feck me there's a lot of Air Crash Investigation experts on here these days... All the speculation in the world won't mean a jot till the plane, wreckage or passengers are found. Yes it's sad at the moment for friends and family but not one passenger has been confirmed as dead, so till something turns up....

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Feck me there's a lot of Air Crash Investigation experts on here these days... All the speculation in the world won't mean a jot till the plane, wreckage or passengers are found. Yes it's sad at the moment for friends and family but not one passenger has been confirmed as dead, so till something turns up...."

Air crash investigators???

There's been no crash.

We can all have our own opinions!!!!!!

Seeing as the msm keep changing stories

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Air crash investigators???

There's been no crash.

We can all have our own opinions!!!!!!

Seeing as the msm keep changing stories"

Ok aviation experts jeez

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its parked at Japan airport - the Japanese said they didn't notice it as they all look the same to them

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Its parked at Japan airport - the Japanese said they didn't notice it as they all look the same to them"

ffs ! I believed that then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If it was hijacked than where is it? It would have had to have landed somewhere?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very worrying and definitely smells of foul play. There is no way in this day of age that phones or something couldn't be tracked.

Between this and Russia, it appears the world is coming apart at the seams.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

They said that they had gained information that it had been flying for 7 hours and someone had purposely turned off the communication thingy in the cockpit....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it was hijacked than where is it? It would have had to have landed somewhere? "
Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea. Depends on the fuel they had.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"If it was hijacked than where is it? It would have had to have landed somewhere? "

Most secure and secretive would be a military base

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By *umpkinMan over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

Pikeys have nicked it and weighed it in!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it was hijacked than where is it? It would have had to have landed somewhere? "

According to The Independent online they are saying the hijack took place soon after take off & the aircraft flew for at least 7 hours....so it's either run out of fuel way off course or it's landed.

Where you land a Boeing 777 without detection I don't know, not only difficult to conceal but needs a rather long runway to land on.....

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By *ivilizedkinkCouple over a year ago

harrow

"Pikeys have nicked it and weighed it in!"

pmsl

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By *ivilizedkinkCouple over a year ago

harrow

Its all speculation and conspiracies at the moment the only theory I haven't heard is aliens did it . All anyone can do is spare a thought for the poor families and wait .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

its gotta be da aliens

da aliens kidnapped da plane

simple

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

would it be prudent at any stage to point out that this whole thing wasn't my fault and has nothing to do with me??

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By *ivilizedkinkCouple over a year ago

harrow

"would it be prudent at any stage to point out that this whole thing wasn't my fault and has nothing to do with me??

lol im my best Bart Simpson voice "it wasn't me I didn't do it , you can't prove a thing "

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I hear the Chinese relatives of those missing are planning to go on hunger strike.

That'll help.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"would it be prudent at any stage to point out that this whole thing wasn't my fault and has nothing to do with me??

You certain? Have you checked your sock drawer?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

l just heard the have found the wings

But Mr & Mrs Wing say they don't know where the aircraft is

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By *uby0000 OP Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

the pilots took it

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It must be really horrible for the families not having any information. At least if you know where it is you know what is happening.

I don't understand how with satellites and GPS on phones there has been no way to find this aeroplane.

It's beginning to feel like it's a new series of Lost.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It must be really horrible for the families not having any information. At least if you know where it is you know what is happening.

I don't understand how with satellites and GPS on phones there has been no way to find this aeroplane.

It's beginning to feel like it's a new series of Lost.

I thought about the satellite thing. Since the nsa/cia have spy satellites, then why can't they find it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because with all the technology in the world no system is foolproof - most radar is line of sight so even out over the Atlantic there is no radar coverage.

Thoughts with the families missing.

Just highlights to me that despite the size of a 777 it's nothing to the Indian Ocean.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Panic over its been found in a shed,a Stanley plane! Read on forum!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hear the Chinese relatives of those missing are planning to go on hunger strike.

That'll help."

Lucky Big Maggie isn't in power over there or she would let them starve to death

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It must be really horrible for the families not having any information. At least if you know where it is you know what is happening.

I don't understand how with satellites and GPS on phones there has been no way to find this aeroplane.

It's beginning to feel like it's a new series of Lost.

I thought about the satellite thing. Since the nsa/cia have spy satellites, then why can't they find it?"

Military and spy satellites have to be "tasked" to look in a certain location. There is no such thing as an "all seeing" satellite with total coverage.

And despite there being a shed load of satellites in space, we still don't have full coverage of the earths surface.

My bet is it went down in the ocean and sank pretty much intact. Hence the lack of debris.

Flight recorders (black boxes) do give off a locating signal but it's not that powerful so you need to be quite close to find it.

The ocean can be several miles deep in places so it may never be found.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If it was in the ocean.. surely there would be some kind of debris about and at a guess,,11 days under water would at least cause oil or fuel leakage so would be visible on the surface...would nt it???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it was in the ocean.. surely there would be some kind of debris about and at a guess,,11 days under water would at least cause oil or fuel leakage so would be visible on the surface...would nt it???"

Such a big area to search tho. And if the pilot knew he was going down, the first thing he would have done is dumped the fuel. Most of the fuel would have vapourised when it came into contact with the air. Minimal oil on board, just some hydraulic fluid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well the phones were still ringing for a while and the plane was in the sky for hours apparently so the fuel may have been exhausted before it the plane went down.

Something will probably wash up on a beach soon.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not necessarily ruff seas heavy impact the debris can sink pretty quickly 10-12 hours and there can be no trace depending on what the impact was like that's if that's what happened.

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By *octor DeleriumMan over a year ago

Wellingborough

"Dear Doctor Nasty (who wrote the short novel above)

- have you considered that the plane was hijacked, not for ransom or political gain but for something far more sinister, - like stealing the plane?

Yes, there are loads of WWII airfields and runways in all the surrounding countries.

Getting a runway ready for a 777 would be a huge task as, whilst it would land on a concrete paved WWII runway, it would be pretty much wrecked and would need major repairs and might totally u/s.

A 777 is, also, a very large airframe; I'm sure that satellites are looking at the airstrips that they know about.

You then have to refuel it, and get it to where you want it with all the military radars likely to be turned on.

Mind you, the Malaysian Formula One Grand Prix is next on the calendar.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A pilot posted a simple explanation on Wired.com

No daft conspiracies and I think unfortunately it's deep in the Indian Ocean after an on board fire.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tattoo out of fantasy island looking for it

The plane the plane

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was told that in case of an electrical fire the pilots will pull out various fuses, hence no transponder or radio communications. My question then is, why not press an alarm button first, and THEN start yanking out fuses.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was told that in case of an electrical fire the pilots will pull out various fuses, hence no transponder or radio communications. My question then is, why not press an alarm button first, and THEN start yanking out fuses."

The priority is to kill all power and hopefully the fire ASAP - I though the ELT was a separate power source (self powered).

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By *octor DeleriumMan over a year ago

Wellingborough

"So now they reckon it's been hijacked and went the wrong way. Is it just me but does it seem that they are trying to now just brush it under the carpet by making something up??

Like I said before just seems rather dodgy and seems like they're hiding something"

If you read the transcripts of the Malaysian press conferences, they're very oddly phrased and the context and tense are frequently strange.

Lots of difficult international relations in the area and an you might expect a reasonably fast air interception of an 'unknown' (transponders etc. off) aircraft entering a restricted airspace, that's assuming it hasn't accidentally been put down into the ocean or jungle; direct searches to where you know they won't find anything, whilst you tidy up the crash site. Possible.

I think the search is being hampered by the unwillingness of countries to share what their radar facilities are capable of. There are massive intercepts on Diego Garcia and Australia's over the horizon radar at Jindalee Operational Radar Network.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So now they reckon it's been hijacked and went the wrong way. Is it just me but does it seem that they are trying to now just brush it under the carpet by making something up??

Like I said before just seems rather dodgy and seems like they're hiding something

If you read the transcripts of the Malaysian press conferences, they're very oddly phrased and the context and tense are frequently strange.

I bet Jindalee's data is getting a good going over at the moment... but agree they might offer pointers without being too specific.

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By *octor DeleriumMan over a year ago

Wellingborough

A cockpit fire, from whatever, cause is not helpful, ever. As you have to fly the metal and put out the fire, aircraft fires tend to produce very toxic materials, there may be little or no time for communication if the fire reaches the flight crew oxygen canisters, or the fire destroys the communications. Possible.

The FlightRadar24 plot for the flight is interesting; type in MH370 and watch the playback, altitude and speed.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Possible debris in Australia.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple over a year ago

notts

so they have some recentish satellite images of debris, what makes me wonder is this.

surely, if the images are of the missing plane, then after all this time, would it still be floating on or near the surface of the ocean??

and secondly, if it is the plane still floating, would there not be at least one or two liferafts with survivors in it??

after all, the images show that the debris is about plane size so it has not broken up and if it is still floating, then it has not filled with water ??

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

those poor families

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they say pirates now"

You would think someone would stop and question bearded gentlemen, with parrots on their shoulders, chanting "pieces of eight" etc.

Sorry. My poor sense of humour.

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