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Bob Crowe

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Dead apparently at 52.

A good day for bojo if nothing else.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Wow! I haven't seen that. I hope he died peacefully and his family find peace.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS  over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Damn. I'm sorry to see him go. Best wishes to his loved ones.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

never liked him, but always had an admiration for him. Won't be missed by millions of Londoners, but will be by those who he represented with tenacity.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Whether you liked him or hated him, he did a bloody good job for the people he represented, so regardless of your political leanings the man had to be respected

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Didn't like the man but he was a tenacious as a Jack Russell in his dealings with politicians and for that, I salute him.

RIP

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Whether you liked him or hated him, he did a bloody good job for the people he represented, so regardless of your political leanings the man had to be respected"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I was a tube driver for ten ten years and a ticket collector for two. I've met Bib a few times and been to many a union meeting with him. When I first joined the underground staff were on a five and a half day week while management only worked five. Drivers worked out if appalling depots with no canteen while management had luxury subsidised canteens. Over the years with Bobs tireless work this all changed. Bob would often come and stand on the barrier and collect tickets with us and listen to our concerns. I could go on and on about the great work he did for us workers.

Thanks Bob and R.I.P. mate.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I suspect a fitting send off will be a 24 hour strike on the day of his funeral

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By *iss_tressWoman  over a year ago

London


"Dead apparently at 52.

A good day for bojo if nothing else."

Wow! We all got to go!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

R.i.p bob crow working for everyone's safety on the London underground and for himself as some people think

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Always sad to see someone pass away at such a young age . My thoughts and condolences to his family , and good to see Boris showing great respect and honesty at this moment in time

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I dislike socialism as it always leads to bankruptcy & impoverishing the workers who it's supposed to represent. But socialists themselves often accuse others of being "evil" or "nasty" when they don't agree with them.

When Margaret Thatcher died Bob Crow said: "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Obviously he was talking utter shit, as Bob often did throughout his life. However I won't be celebrating like the left did when Maggie kicked the bucket, because I rise above that sort of behaviour. But I hope that the workers can get a more moderate Union leader that doesn't call for strikes at every opportunity & tries to improve the workers conditions without any detrimental effect to the Rail company & passengers.

Oh & perhaps his Council house that he insisted on living in, even though he was earning over £120k a year, can go to someone more needy & deserving.

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By *himanMan  over a year ago

chichester

He was an union dinosaur but still v sad

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I dislike socialism as it always leads to bankruptcy & impoverishing the workers who it's supposed to represent. But socialists themselves often accuse others of being "evil" or "nasty" when they don't agree with them.

When Margaret Thatcher died Bob Crow said: "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Obviously he was talking utter shit, as Bob often did throughout his life. However I won't be celebrating like the left did when Maggie kicked the bucket, because I rise above that sort of behaviour. But I hope that the workers can get a more moderate Union leader that doesn't call for strikes at every opportunity & tries to improve the workers conditions without any detrimental effect to the Rail company & passengers.

Oh & perhaps his Council house that he insisted on living in, even though he was earning over £120k a year, can go to someone more needy & deserving."

I would hardly call tube workers impoverished. And I would suspect his partner will continue to live in the house.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I certainly know that train drivers are not impoverished. But Crow was so militant in his strikes & unreasonable demands that he was in danger of doing a "Scargill" & putting his train drivers on the dole because the employers started to think of replacing them with automated trains.

I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I certainly know that train drivers are not impoverished. But Crow was so militant in his strikes & unreasonable demands that he was in danger of doing a "Scargill" & putting his train drivers on the dole because the employers started to think of replacing them with automated trains.

I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite."

Bob crow never called for one strike. The union members called for them.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I certainly know that train drivers are not impoverished. But Crow was so militant in his strikes & unreasonable demands that he was in danger of doing a "Scargill" & putting his train drivers on the dole because the employers started to think of replacing them with automated trains.

I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite.

Bob crow never called for one strike. The union members called for them. "

Well about 30% of them on average.......

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

From a personal point of _iew, the one thing I will say is they go out and represent their members and put up a hell if a fight...

When I was made redundant from the railway industry a lot of people flipped to the rmt, and I think they got us a much better package than we would have done otherwise...

He actually came up to our meeting rather than been fobbed by the other union people had

He was a passionate fighter for his members

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And he did pay rent on his house, it wasn't subsidised he payed the full market value. It was his family home, where do you suggest he lived ?

If he had moved out of the house who's to say someone more wealthy wouldn't move into it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I certainly know that train drivers are not impoverished. But Crow was so militant in his strikes & unreasonable demands that he was in danger of doing a "Scargill" & putting his train drivers on the dole because the employers started to think of replacing them with automated trains.

I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite.

Bob crow never called for one strike. The union members called for them.

Well about 30% of them on average....... "

But 100% of the workers benefited from the strike action.

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By *owboy BebopMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"I certainly know that train drivers are not impoverished. But Crow was so militant in his strikes & unreasonable demands that he was in danger of doing a "Scargill" & putting his train drivers on the dole because the employers started to think of replacing them with automated trains.

I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite."

The fact that Bob Crowe lived in a council house, shows that he was not a hypocrite .he obviously pays rent , and has not bought via the right to buy, even though he could have profited via this. This man paid 50% tax... Is social housing not for all... Or is it for the less well off ? One of the problems this country faces is middle class "ghettos" with the middle class buying up properties in certain areas and getting a stranglehold on the best of public services.....

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Social housing is intended for those who need it. It's not quite as simple as that, of course.

It's for all, if they need it.

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By *ecor atorMan  over a year ago

York

Unreal!

I was listenening to him only last night on radio4

Never a fan of the commy cunt but sad at his passing. Especially as he was younger than me, best wishes to his family.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't think the middle classes are a problem. In fact there should be a lot more of them because they make the economy tick. Council houses were built for poor people that couldn't afford decent housing. Not for rich Union leaders, even though he does pay his tax-payers subsidised rent. He should have been evicted to make way for someone more deserving, or paid a surcharge.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan  over a year ago

plymouth

Thats sad.

I didnt always agree with him but he was old school working class, stood up for workers against devious politicians and an agenda driven media.

50 years i lived in london and not one of the strikes bothered me in the slightest.The strikes only affected self interested people who couldnt give a monkeys about anyone else.

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By *ndykayMan  over a year ago

Falkirk

He was more of a Rottweiler and had politicians shaking in their boots at the mere mention of his name.

He fought for those people he represented and worked tirelessly for them. He helped improve their working conditions and pay.

Yes, he wasn't the most liked man in the country because of some of his beliefs but just imagine what could be done if every MP worked as tirelessly for their constituents.

I think people could learn a lot from his work ethic even if they don't agree with his beliefs or politics

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The only working class people who live in London that are on a decent wage are his members.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well that's freed up a council house for someone that actually needs it then

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was a tube driver for ten ten years and a ticket collector for two. I've met Bib a few times and been to many a union meeting with him. When I first joined the underground staff were on a five and a half day week while management only worked five. Drivers worked out if appalling depots with no canteen while management had luxury subsidised canteens. Over the years with Bobs tireless work this all changed. Bob would often come and stand on the barrier and collect tickets with us and listen to our concerns. I could go on and on about the great work he did for us workers.

Thanks Bob and R.I.P. mate. "

I never had any direct experience of Bob Crowe, but he seemed (from TV appearances) to be a fantastic Rep and Chief....Everything good about Trade Unionism.....Will be sorely missed throughout the movement.

RIP

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By *ScotsmanMan  over a year ago

ayrshire

he wanted fair working rights for normal workers.the Tories want to take the rights of normal workers away, i know who the real cunts are..rip old boy

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well about 30% of them on average....... "

I refuse to accept this as a valid argument.

If the other 70% don't want to strike then they should vote and make their voice heard....

So what if only a small percentile of members vote? It's still a valid vote as those who want their voice to be heard are heard.

I find it hypocritical in the extreme for politicians to complain when they rarely (if ever) garner more than 60% of the electorate (the same quantity that would make a "30%" pro strike vote a majority).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well about 30% of them on average.......

I refuse to accept this as a valid argument.

If the other 70% don't want to strike then they should vote and make their voice heard....

So what if only a small percentile of members vote? It's still a valid vote as those who want their voice to be heard are heard.

I find it hypocritical in the extreme for politicians to complain when they rarely (if ever) garner more than 60% of the electorate (the same quantity that would make a "30%" pro strike vote a majority)."

which is more evidence of the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil.

ateotd the silent majority are ignored for the whims of the noisy minority, whether you lik the fact or not.

those that dont vote may well be refusing to because of the futility of the reason behind the action.

maybe they dont want to strike because they cant afford a day off work to shout at passing motorists.

or, maybe, just maybe, they have a conscience and decide its not worth disrupting the general publics day for the sake of whatever is being debated.

until polls require at least an 80% turnout they will never be a fair representation of the true feeling.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well about 30% of them on average.......

I refuse to accept this as a valid argument.

If the other 70% don't want to strike then they should vote and make their voice heard....

So what if only a small percentile of members vote? It's still a valid vote as those who want their voice to be heard are heard.

I find it hypocritical in the extreme for politicians to complain when they rarely (if ever) garner more than 60% of the electorate (the same quantity that would make a "30%" pro strike vote a majority).

which is more evidence of the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil.

ateotd the silent majority are ignored for the whims of the noisy minority, whether you lik the fact or not.

those that dont vote may well be refusing to because of the futility of the reason behind the action.

maybe they dont want to strike because they cant afford a day off work to shout at passing motorists.

or, maybe, just maybe, they have a conscience and decide its not worth disrupting the general publics day for the sake of whatever is being debated.

until polls require at least an 80% turnout they will never be a fair representation of the true feeling."

Sorry, but perhaps the silent majority WANT the strike, rather than don't?

Perhaps they don't vote because they are so poorly paid that they can't afford the time to post the ballot?

I have as much right to appropriate their opinions as you have.

"Squeakiest wheel"? Rubbish.....You want democracy? Go vote. If the membership don't want to strike? Then go vote against. Want to be heard? Fill in your ballot papers.

Where else in the world has such a draconian rule as 80%?

Would the politicians making up such a rule apply the same to themselves? I doubt it............

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By *ctaviusStuntMan  over a year ago

plymouth


"Well about 30% of them on average.......

I refuse to accept this as a valid argument.

If the other 70% don't want to strike then they should vote and make their voice heard....

So what if only a small percentile of members vote? It's still a valid vote as those who want their voice to be heard are heard.

I find it hypocritical in the extreme for politicians to complain when they rarely (if ever) garner more than 60% of the electorate (the same quantity that would make a "30%" pro strike vote a majority)."

yes bare in mind that in 50 years the voter turnout is less than 55%.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

R.I.P Bob crowe

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well that's freed up a council house for someone that actually needs it then"

I don't think they'll be evicting his partner and child because he has died. That'll be a bit harsh don't you think ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well about 30% of them on average.......

I refuse to accept this as a valid argument.

If the other 70% don't want to strike then they should vote and make their voice heard....

So what if only a small percentile of members vote? It's still a valid vote as those who want their voice to be heard are heard.

I find it hypocritical in the extreme for politicians to complain when they rarely (if ever) garner more than 60% of the electorate (the same quantity that would make a "30%" pro strike vote a majority).

which is more evidence of the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil.

ateotd the silent majority are ignored for the whims of the noisy minority, whether you lik the fact or not.

those that dont vote may well be refusing to because of the futility of the reason behind the action.

maybe they dont want to strike because they cant afford a day off work to shout at passing motorists.

or, maybe, just maybe, they have a conscience and decide its not worth disrupting the general publics day for the sake of whatever is being debated.

until polls require at least an 80% turnout they will never be a fair representation of the true feeling.

Sorry, but perhaps the silent majority WANT the strike, rather than don't?

Perhaps they don't vote because they are so poorly paid that they can't afford the time to post the ballot?

I have as much right to appropriate their opinions as you have.

"Squeakiest wheel"? Rubbish.....You want democracy? Go vote. If the membership don't want to strike? Then go vote against. Want to be heard? Fill in your ballot papers.

Where else in the world has such a draconian rule as 80%?

Would the politicians making up such a rule apply the same to themselves? I doubt it............"

just figure plucked out of the sky.

could quite easily say 51% turnout would be the majority opinion, irrespective of the figure, a 20/30/40% turnout doesnt represent the majority _iew, so the ballots should always be reheld until there is a majority turnout.

thats democracy.

but then we dont have a proper democracy anyway, because we vote a government in on a number of promises that never come through (no matter the colour of the rosette on the lapel)

so, if you would like to hold mr Crowe up as the best a man can get, then go right ahead.

he did the best for his membership, i agree, but at what cost?

public trust is a massive thing to throw away.

i have the same feelings for him as he did for thatcher

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

which is more evidence of the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil.

ateotd the silent majority are ignored for the whims of the noisy minority, whether you lik the fact or not.

those that dont vote may well be refusing to because of the futility of the reason behind the action.

maybe they dont want to strike because they cant afford a day off work to shout at passing motorists.

or, maybe, just maybe, they have a conscience and decide its not worth disrupting the general publics day for the sake of whatever is being debated.

until polls require at least an 80% turnout they will never be a fair representation of the true feeling."

There us no evidence to suggest that the people who don't vote are not in favour if the action. How did you come to such a conclusion ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"he wanted fair working rights for normal workers.the Tories want to take the rights of normal workers away, i know who the real cunts are..rip old boy "

No rights have been taken from the normal workers. In fact Unions have done more to destroy British jobs than anyone else. They push up costs with excessive pay demands, restrictive practices & strike action. Britain in 1953 exported 25% of the world's manufactured goods. All jobs lost by Unions who pretended to represent the workers interests.

The only reason Bob Crow didn't lose jobs was because the customers were all British-paying the highest fares in Europe. If he'd have carried on then driver-less trains would have been brought in. So much for sticking up for the workers.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan  over a year ago

plymouth


"he wanted fair working rights for normal workers.the Tories want to take the rights of normal workers away, i know who the real cunts are..rip old boy

No rights have been taken from the normal workers. In fact Unions have done more to destroy British jobs than anyone else. They push up costs with excessive pay demands, restrictive practices & strike action. Britain in 1953 exported 25% of the world's manufactured goods. All jobs lost by Unions who pretended to represent the workers interests.

The only reason Bob Crow didn't lose jobs was because the customers were all British-paying the highest fares in Europe. If he'd have carried on then driver-less trains would have been brought in. So much for sticking up for the workers. "
haha m8 you are deluded beyond belief

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"he wanted fair working rights for normal workers.the Tories want to take the rights of normal workers away, i know who the real cunts are..rip old boy

No rights have been taken from the normal workers. In fact Unions have done more to destroy British jobs than anyone else. They push up costs with excessive pay demands, restrictive practices & strike action. Britain in 1953 exported 25% of the world's manufactured goods. All jobs lost by Unions who pretended to represent the workers interests.

The only reason Bob Crow didn't lose jobs was because the customers were all British-paying the highest fares in Europe. If he'd have carried on then driver-less trains would have been brought in. So much for sticking up for the workers. "

There will never be a driverless train on the underground. No one would travel on them

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn


"Dead apparently at 52.

A good day for bojo if nothing else."

when I heard I thought the forums will be alight with respect for a man's passing...

RIP

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By *ScotsmanMan  over a year ago

ayrshire

he was against driverless trains. and lots of other cuts wanted at stations down there..the Tories Wont be sad he's gone because he was one of the few that could put the Tories in their place because he knew the Tories employment ideas are for them that has got and always had.and normal workers and even normal secure full time jobs wil be gradually eroded every day that the Tories are in government.. .the world is fucked anyway and all that sail in it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"he wanted fair working rights for normal workers.the Tories want to take the rights of normal workers away, i know who the real cunts are..rip old boy

No rights have been taken from the normal workers. In fact Unions have done more to destroy British jobs than anyone else. They push up costs with excessive pay demands, restrictive practices & strike action. Britain in 1953 exported 25% of the world's manufactured goods. All jobs lost by Unions who pretended to represent the workers interests.

The only reason Bob Crow didn't lose jobs was because the customers were all British-paying the highest fares in Europe. If he'd have carried on then driver-less trains would have been brought in. So much for sticking up for the workers. "

I'm sorry, but that's just propaganda. The Tories did far more to destroy industrial output in Britain by reducing Credit Controls to engineer Credit Booms throughout the 50's and early 60's.....

In fact, the economic miracles in Germany, Japan and Korea following the 2nd and Korean Wars were far more influential....

Just picking dates...British Industrial decline has been a fact from the 1860's following the rapid industrialisation of the US following their Civil War and was exaserbated by the industrialisation of Germany following Unification in the 1870's.......

Learn a little history, it will really open your mind.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Well that's freed up a council house for someone that actually needs it then

I don't think they'll be evicting his partner and child because he has died. That'll be a bit harsh don't you think ?"

That's be a bit Tory.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"he wanted fair working rights for normal workers.the Tories want to take the rights of normal workers away, i know who the real cunts are..rip old boy

No rights have been taken from the normal workers. In fact Unions have done more to destroy British jobs than anyone else. They push up costs with excessive pay demands, restrictive practices & strike action. Britain in 1953 exported 25% of the world's manufactured goods. All jobs lost by Unions who pretended to represent the workers interests.

The only reason Bob Crow didn't lose jobs was because the customers were all British-paying the highest fares in Europe. If he'd have carried on then driver-less trains would have been brought in. So much for sticking up for the workers. "

What was it your opening post said about not disrespecting him in death amd been better than the left that did that to Thatcher? Yet all you've done is attack the man on this thread...

And as a proud socialist and trade unionist I certainly didn't derail threads about her death and turn them into a political debate. Unlike your earlier claim, some of us were better than that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well about 30% of them on average.......

I refuse to accept this as a valid argument.

If the other 70% don't want to strike then they should vote and make their voice heard....

So what if only a small percentile of members vote? It's still a valid vote as those who want their voice to be heard are heard.

I find it hypocritical in the extreme for politicians to complain when they rarely (if ever) garner more than 60% of the electorate (the same quantity that would make a "30%" pro strike vote a majority).

which is more evidence of the squeakiest wheel gets the most oil.

ateotd the silent majority are ignored for the whims of the noisy minority, whether you lik the fact or not.

those that dont vote may well be refusing to because of the futility of the reason behind the action.

maybe they dont want to strike because they cant afford a day off work to shout at passing motorists.

or, maybe, just maybe, they have a conscience and decide its not worth disrupting the general publics day for the sake of whatever is being debated.

until polls require at least an 80% turnout they will never be a fair representation of the true feeling.

Sorry, but perhaps the silent majority WANT the strike, rather than don't?

Perhaps they don't vote because they are so poorly paid that they can't afford the time to post the ballot?

I have as much right to appropriate their opinions as you have.

"Squeakiest wheel"? Rubbish.....You want democracy? Go vote. If the membership don't want to strike? Then go vote against. Want to be heard? Fill in your ballot papers.

Where else in the world has such a draconian rule as 80%?

Would the politicians making up such a rule apply the same to themselves? I doubt it............"

You should apply for the late Bob's job! Tube strikes do huge damage to London and the ability of the average Joe to do their job properly, so there should be a high threshold for strike action. Everyone has the right to withdraw their labour, but if members cannot be arsed to positively vote for it then it should not happen. As for tube strikers being too poor to vote, check out the latest salary comparisons (the late Bob did a fantastic job for his members!).

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The man did his job and improved the working conditions for all of his members. The Union movement improved the working conditions for all of us, overall.

As the the stuff about strikes then look to history. The biggest, longest and most disruptive strike actions took place between 1910 and 1921. The 70s and 80s were nothing in comparison and The Tube strikes by RMT members don't even register.

We have rights because someone fought for them. Vilified maybe but I thank the people like Crow who stood up and fight.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here."

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You should apply for the late Bob's job! Tube strikes do huge damage to London and the ability of the average Joe to do their job properly, so there should be a high threshold for strike action. Everyone has the right to withdraw their labour, but if members cannot be arsed to positively vote for it then it should not happen. As for tube strikers being too poor to vote, check out the latest salary comparisons (the late Bob did a fantastic job for his members!)."

Well, a city gent complaining that some people are paid enough, criticising the working class for organising to obtain what no one will give them as a right....Can anyone else hear bonuses kerchinging?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well at least there is no strike today i hope.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You should apply for the late Bob's job! Tube strikes do huge damage to London and the ability of the average Joe to do their job properly, so there should be a high threshold for strike action. Everyone has the right to withdraw their labour, but if members cannot be arsed to positively vote for it then it should not happen. As for tube strikers being too poor to vote, check out the latest salary comparisons (the late Bob did a fantastic job for his members!).

Well, a city gent complaining that some people are paid enough, criticising the working class for organising to obtain what no one will give them as a right....Can anyone else hear bonuses kerchinging?"

silly me, i didnt realise it was only well to do bankers that use the tube to get to work and back.

watch you dont cut yourself on your sickle and drop the hammer on your toe, comrade lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well at least there is no strike today i hope."

they may have one.

a strike of mourning lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train. "

coach driver circa £25k a year

bus driver circa £23k a year

yet the latter have MORE interaction with the customer base and have to deal with more situations than going back and forth over the same bit of track in a tunnel

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think that if you look back at history, Unions have destroyed so many jobs. I know an awful lot because I love to read. During the war the unions sat on the board of directors at all firms involved in the war effort. After the war we advised Germany to do the same. Meanwhile the directors of UK firms kicked the Unions off the boards. This is why Germany has better industry & why we don't. Our Union leaders have more interest in turning the UK into a Communist country rather than better the pay & conditions of their members. Just like that cunt Scargill.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Crowing on this thread - whatever _iew is expressed.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You should apply for the late Bob's job! Tube strikes do huge damage to London and the ability of the average Joe to do their job properly, so there should be a high threshold for strike action. Everyone has the right to withdraw their labour, but if members cannot be arsed to positively vote for it then it should not happen. As for tube strikers being too poor to vote, check out the latest salary comparisons (the late Bob did a fantastic job for his members!).

Well, a city gent complaining that some people are paid enough, criticising the working class for organising to obtain what no one will give them as a right....Can anyone else hear bonuses kerchinging?

silly me, i didnt realise it was only well to do bankers that use the tube to get to work and back.

watch you dont cut yourself on your sickle and drop the hammer on your toe, comrade lol"

If our comrade friend read things properly, he would find I was congratulating Bob on the job he had done for his members. And he will also note I support unions and their right to withdraw their labour, but in order to do so they should have to vote, particularly where key workers such as nurses, teachers and police officers are all impacted, not to mention the damaging effects on the economy etc.

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By *errynjuneCouple  over a year ago

Barnsley


"I think that if you look back at history, Unions have destroyed so many jobs. I know an awful lot because I love to read. During the war the unions sat on the board of directors at all firms involved in the war effort. After the war we advised Germany to do the same. Meanwhile the directors of UK firms kicked the Unions off the boards. This is why Germany has better industry & why we don't. Our Union leaders have more interest in turning the UK into a Communist country rather than better the pay & conditions of their members. Just like that cunt Scargill."

Take it you are sitting on the fence then

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train.

coach driver circa £25k a year

bus driver circa £23k a year

yet the latter have MORE interaction with the customer base and have to deal with more situations than going back and forth over the same bit of track in a tunnel"

And in order to get a job as a bus driver you have to know someone who can read or write.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"I think that if you look back at history, Unions have destroyed so many jobs. I know an awful lot because I love to read. During the war the unions sat on the board of directors at all firms involved in the war effort. After the war we advised Germany to do the same. Meanwhile the directors of UK firms kicked the Unions off the boards. This is why Germany has better industry & why we don't. Our Union leaders have more interest in turning the UK into a Communist country rather than better the pay & conditions of their members. Just like that cunt Scargill."

Aye Bertie. Bollox right enough.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train.

coach driver circa £25k a year

bus driver circa £23k a year

yet the latter have MORE interaction with the customer base and have to deal with more situations than going back and forth over the same bit of track in a tunnel"

Coach and bus drivers are not underground. When the train breaks down you can't call the AA. You deal with it there and then. You have to diagnose the problem yourself and most times sort the problem out yourself. You can't send a spare train down the tunnel to pick up the passengers the driver deals with an evacuation and leads the passengers to safety. There is no comparison. Coach drivers do an excellent job but the training is only a couple of weeks. It takes months to train a tube driver.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train.

coach driver circa £25k a year

bus driver circa £23k a year

yet the latter have MORE interaction with the customer base and have to deal with more situations than going back and forth over the same bit of track in a tunnel"

Maybe if Bob represented them they'd be on better pay.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift"

You don't think people bang on your door when there's a two minute delay. When someone pulls the emergency handle four carriages back your not invisible as you walk through the train to deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

R.I.P. Bob Crowe and my sympathies to his family.

It will be interesting to see who takes over his post, and how they fare with the Mayor of London. Bojo must be secretly pleased to know he won't be dealing with Crowe any more.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

"Aye Bertie. Bollox right enough."

Thank you Onny, When a Socialist plays the man not the ball you know that you've won the argument & made your point.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


""Aye Bertie. Bollox right enough."

Thank you Onny, When a Socialist plays the man not the ball you know that you've won the argument & made your point. "

And referring to Scargill as a cunt isn't playing the man?

I appreciate your envy has gotten the better of you but try to remember what you've posted before dropping yourself in a pile of your own excrement.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

But Scargill is a first class cunt. Started the miner's strike with a small house & a big Union, ended the strike with a small union & big house. All the while being paid by the Kremlin to take British workers out on strike against the Government during the cold war.

Refused a proper ballot. The Miners that didn't agree with him were targeting by militants. Those such as David Wilkie who wanted to go to work, so they dropped a concrete block on him from a motorway bridge. That, & many other reasons is why Scargill is a cunt.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift"

not that i often disagree with you but 2 things

a) you might want to compare what Tube drivers get in comparison to other train drivers....(RMT vs ASLEF)

b) speaking from experience I know how long train drivers train from before they get their own train....2 years at least!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift

not that i often disagree with you but 2 things

a) you might want to compare what Tube drivers get in comparison to other train drivers....(RMT vs ASLEF)

b) speaking from experience I know how long train drivers train from before they get their own train....2 years at least!"

£48k and 39 days holiday a year, according to a quick search.

im not saying they arent worth it, or they arent valuable, im saying to say they are more important than anyone that carries passengers is slightly foolhardy and wrong, imo.

and, IF bus drivers were to be paid more, then bus fares would be up there with train fares, and the country would grind to a halt as no one would be able to get anywhere without driving themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift

not that i often disagree with you but 2 things

a) you might want to compare what Tube drivers get in comparison to other train drivers....(RMT vs ASLEF)

b) speaking from experience I know how long train drivers train from before they get their own train....2 years at least!

£48k and 39 days holiday a year, according to a quick search.

im not saying they arent worth it, or they arent valuable, im saying to say they are more important than anyone that carries passengers is slightly foolhardy and wrong, imo.

and, IF bus drivers were to be paid more, then bus fares would be up there with train fares, and the country would grind to a halt as no one would be able to get anywhere without driving themselves."

No one has suggested they are more important, better represented maybe but not more important.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift

not that i often disagree with you but 2 things

a) you might want to compare what Tube drivers get in comparison to other train drivers....(RMT vs ASLEF)

b) speaking from experience I know how long train drivers train from before they get their own train....2 years at least!

£48k and 39 days holiday a year, according to a quick search.

im not saying they arent worth it, or they arent valuable, im saying to say they are more important than anyone that carries passengers is slightly foolhardy and wrong, imo.

and, IF bus drivers were to be paid more, then bus fares would be up there with train fares, and the country would grind to a halt as no one would be able to get anywhere without driving themselves."

.... in which case you would be really pissed off at what air pilots get...

it is like comparing apples and oranges....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm just glad I don't have to use either very often.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift

not that i often disagree with you but 2 things

a) you might want to compare what Tube drivers get in comparison to other train drivers....(RMT vs ASLEF)

b) speaking from experience I know how long train drivers train from before they get their own train....2 years at least!

£48k and 39 days holiday a year, according to a quick search.

im not saying they arent worth it, or they arent valuable, im saying to say they are more important than anyone that carries passengers is slightly foolhardy and wrong, imo.

and, IF bus drivers were to be paid more, then bus fares would be up there with train fares, and the country would grind to a halt as no one would be able to get anywhere without driving themselves.

.... in which case you would be really pissed off at what air pilots get...

it is like comparing apples and oranges...."

pilots are generally self employed so eed to earn a little extra to tide them over when dodgy plane operators do them over, though lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"takes more than a couple of weeks to be trained to be abused, spat at, assaulted.

but your right.

its a hard job being in your own little safe environment for your shift

not that i often disagree with you but 2 things

a) you might want to compare what Tube drivers get in comparison to other train drivers....(RMT vs ASLEF)

b) speaking from experience I know how long train drivers train from before they get their own train....2 years at least!

£48k and 39 days holiday a year, according to a quick search.

im not saying they arent worth it, or they arent valuable, im saying to say they are more important than anyone that carries passengers is slightly foolhardy and wrong, imo.

and, IF bus drivers were to be paid more, then bus fares would be up there with train fares, and the country would grind to a halt as no one would be able to get anywhere without driving themselves.

.... in which case you would be really pissed off at what air pilots get...

it is like comparing apples and oranges....

pilots are generally self employed so eed to earn a little extra to tide them over when dodgy plane operators do them over, though lol"

and believe me, i would rather a pilot be happy and not park up halfway through a journey, than a train driver.

at least with a train i can get a bus the rest of the way lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"he wanted fair working rights for normal workers.the Tories want to take the rights of normal workers away, i know who the real cunts are..rip old boy

No rights have been taken from the normal workers. In fact Unions have done more to destroy British jobs than anyone else. They push up costs with excessive pay demands, restrictive practices & strike action. Britain in 1953 exported 25% of the world's manufactured goods. All jobs lost by Unions who pretended to represent the workers interests.

The only reason Bob Crow didn't lose jobs was because the customers were all British-paying the highest fares in Europe. If he'd have carried on then driver-less trains would have been brought in. So much for sticking up for the workers.

There will never be a driverless train on the underground. No one would travel on them "

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Paris Metro operates a mixed mode I believe & The DLR to name a few. People might not like it or change but if that's the transport on offer they will use it!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I dislike socialism as it always leads to bankruptcy & impoverishing the workers who it's supposed to represent. But socialists themselves often accuse others of being "evil" or "nasty" when they don't agree with them.

When Margaret Thatcher died Bob Crow said: "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Obviously he was talking utter shit, as Bob often did throughout his life. However I won't be celebrating like the left did when Maggie kicked the bucket, because I rise above that sort of behaviour. But I hope that the workers can get a more moderate Union leader that doesn't call for strikes at every opportunity & tries to improve the workers conditions without any detrimental effect to the Rail company & passengers.

Oh & perhaps his Council house that he insisted on living in, even though he was earning over £120k a year, can go to someone more needy & deserving."

Pretty much my thoughts. One less champagne socialist. Condolences to his family, they must be devastated.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But Scargill is a first class cunt. Started the miner's strike with a small house & a big Union, ended the strike with a small union & big house. All the while being paid by the Kremlin to take British workers out on strike against the Government during the cold war.

Refused a proper ballot. The Miners that didn't agree with him were targeting by militants. Those such as David Wilkie who wanted to go to work, so they dropped a concrete block on him from a motorway bridge. That, & many other reasons is why Scargill is a cunt."

Kim Howells analysis of the strike on telly on Sunday night was very good but it was obvious that whilst he didn't think much of Scargill he dare not be too hard in his criticism.

Otherwise I agree totally. "Our Arthur" benefited hugely from the strike now living the high life. South Wales in particular did not deserve to be caught in the clash between Maggie and and Scargill but he had to be taken down and his power destroyed. Otherwise his Kremlin masters would have had a massive foothold in this country.

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By *ScotsmanMan  over a year ago

ayrshire

if the fat cats took less profit everybody could earn a living wage but instead we have food banks popping up everywhere...

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"if the fat cats took less profit everybody could earn a living wage but instead we have food banks popping up everywhere..."

He did at least work for his, unlike many with their snouts in the trough.

He came across as having a massive chip on his shoulder (anyone see him on Have I Got News For You, obsessing about lobster?) but he definitely fought for what he believed in and put the effort in.

52 is very young. I feel for his family.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"if the fat cats took less profit everybody could earn a living wage but instead we have food banks popping up everywhere..."

and you can get on the tube to get to one lol

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

a man dies and it becomes the usual the haves v's the have nots....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Fat cat bosses should take less. Much less. But don't forget that the Labour Government & the EU has brought in much red tape which destroys jobs. Brown's housing boom when he doubled the price of houses cost the working class much more for housing. Plus trebling of Council tax, doubling the income tax that the lowest paid had deducted & the extortionate energy bills made by Red Ed has meant that foreign companies can easily undercut British workers & puts them on the dole.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Another bully bites the dust, however I do feel for his family.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've just been reading all the quotes about his death and what has struck me is that all say he was not his public image. BoJo even said that Crow was the man to go to if a deal needed to be done. Misunderstood has been used more than once.

He stuck to his principles that it shouldn't just be bankers and old Etonians able to drink the best wines and eat the best meat.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've just been reading all the quotes about his death and what has struck me is that all say he was not his public image. BoJo even said that Crow was the man to go to if a deal needed to be done. Misunderstood has been used more than once.

He stuck to his principles that it shouldn't just be bankers and old Etonians able to drink the best wines and eat the best meat."

Etonians wouldn't know a good Claret if it punched them on the nose! On previous threads on Bob I always grudgingly admired him. I don't think his members cared what he was paid, where he lived or how he spent his money as long as he did a good job for them, and he did. Given the compliments from those that dealt with him, I suspect you always knew where you stood with him and that is a virtue some of our politicians might want to replicate. He would always give an answer to a question, even if you didn't like or agree with it and for all my differences of opinion I will miss him and what he stood for.

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By *wiftieeMan  over a year ago

near Glasgow


"I dislike socialism as it always leads to bankruptcy & impoverishing the workers who it's supposed to represent. But socialists themselves often accuse others of being "evil" or "nasty" when they don't agree with them.

When Margaret Thatcher died Bob Crow said: "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Obviously he was talking utter shit, as Bob often did throughout his life. However I won't be celebrating like the left did when Maggie kicked the bucket, because I rise above that sort of behaviour. But I hope that the workers can get a more moderate Union leader that doesn't call for strikes at every opportunity & tries to improve the workers conditions without any detrimental effect to the Rail company & passengers.

Oh & perhaps his Council house that he insisted on living in, even though he was earning over £120k a year, can go to someone more needy & deserving."

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By *xxwiganMan  over a year ago

LEIGH

Saw Bob on 'This Week' a couple of weeks ago, rightly justifying pay of tube driver.

The tube bosses complain strikes cost the business millions of pounds a day when they strike. Bob says if the company is making millions of pounds a day from the hard work of his members then they deserve to get their share of this money rather than it going to share holder'.

I don't think you can argue with the logic in that. If you can then please tell me how. I'd be interested to know.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

He was a good man and they do say the good die young.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Who is he never heard of him ????

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite."

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


" I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite.

"

Where else would a Socialist live but in social housing?

The clue is in the name.

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By *arkstaffsMan  over a year ago

Rugeley

RIP Bob Crow.

I can't tell you how shocked I was today to hear of his death. I had the pleasure of meeting him many times over the years, the last time was only a couple of weeks ago. Bob was a very principled man whose tireless work made vast improvements to the working lives of his Union members.

Sleep well Bob, you will never be forgotten.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" RIP Bob Crow.

I can't tell you how shocked I was today to hear of his death. I had the pleasure of meeting him many times over the years, the last time was only a couple of weeks ago. Bob was a very principled man whose tireless work made vast improvements to the working lives of his Union members.

Sleep well Bob, you will never be forgotten."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Didn't like the man but he was a tenacious as a Jack Russell in his dealings with politicians and for that, I salute him.

RIP"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Does this mean that Boris and the London Underground can now proceed with its long overdue update of the ticketing system.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train. "

Most Commercial pilots starting out are on less than £20,000 Basic, and Air Traffic Controllers about £25,000 after training I know who has the more demanding job.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train.

Most Commercial pilots starting out are on less than £20,000 Basic, and Air Traffic Controllers about £25,000 after training I know who has the more demanding job."

I know who needs a better union.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I agree, but those figures are accurate.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"a man dies and it becomes the usual the haves v's the have nots...."

especialy as he was only 50.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How did he die?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Heart Attack?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Perhaps his heart went on strike...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train.

Most Commercial pilots starting out are on less than £20,000 Basic, and Air Traffic Controllers about £25,000 after training I know who has the more demanding job."

Maybe they should get a better union leader then.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" RIP Bob Crow.

I can't tell you how shocked I was today to hear of his death. I had the pleasure of meeting him many times over the years, the last time was only a couple of weeks ago. Bob was a very principled man whose tireless work made vast improvements to the working lives of his Union members.

Sleep well Bob, you will never be forgotten.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I dislike socialism as it always leads to bankruptcy & impoverishing the workers who it's supposed to represent. But socialists themselves often accuse others of being "evil" or "nasty" when they don't agree with them.

When Margaret Thatcher died Bob Crow said: "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Obviously he was talking utter shit, as Bob often did throughout his life. However I won't be celebrating like the left did when Maggie kicked the bucket, because I rise above that sort of behaviour. But I hope that the workers can get a more moderate Union leader that doesn't call for strikes at every opportunity & tries to improve the workers conditions without any detrimental effect to the Rail company & passengers.

Oh & perhaps his Council house that he insisted on living in, even though he was earning over £120k a year, can go to someone more needy & deserving."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I dislike socialism as it always leads to bankruptcy & impoverishing the workers who it's supposed to represent. But socialists themselves often accuse others of being "evil" or "nasty" when they don't agree with them.

When Margaret Thatcher died Bob Crow said: "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Obviously he was talking utter shit, as Bob often did throughout his life. However I won't be celebrating like the left did when Maggie kicked the bucket, because I rise above that sort of behaviour. But I hope that the workers can get a more moderate Union leader that doesn't call for strikes at every opportunity & tries to improve the workers conditions without any detrimental effect to the Rail company & passengers.

Oh & perhaps his Council house that he insisted on living in, even though he was earning over £120k a year, can go to someone more needy & deserving.

Pretty much my thoughts. One less champagne socialist. Condolences to his family, they must be devastated."

I couldn't think of anyone less deserving of the title of champagne socialist than Bob Crowe.

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By *umpkinMan  over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train. "

Aand if they`ve got to live in London to get to their job then housing costs will soak up most of that anyway!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I dislike socialism as it always leads to bankruptcy & impoverishing the workers who it's supposed to represent. But socialists themselves often accuse others of being "evil" or "nasty" when they don't agree with them.

When Margaret Thatcher died Bob Crow said: "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell."

Obviously he was talking utter shit, as Bob often did throughout his life. However I won't be celebrating like the left did when Maggie kicked the bucket, because I rise above that sort of behaviour. But I hope that the workers can get a more moderate Union leader that doesn't call for strikes at every opportunity & tries to improve the workers conditions without any detrimental effect to the Rail company & passengers.

Oh & perhaps his Council house that he insisted on living in, even though he was earning over £120k a year, can go to someone more needy & deserving."

He may not have been earning this higher wage when he first took on the tenancy. He obviously pays his rent. I don't see what the issue is ? Rather him, than another family of benefit cheats. For every council tenant, who is an above average earner, such as Bob Crowe, there are dozens that are unfairly subsidised. By unfairly, I mean cheating and "working" the benefits system.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

So he has died of a massive heart attack.

So it was blocked tubes that finally killed him, oh the irony.

Tomorrow I'm going to walk to work. It's what he would've wanted!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I wasn't his greatest fan but had to admire his divisive ways - he got things done

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"

He may not have been earning this higher wage when he first took on the tenancy. He obviously pays his rent. I don't see what the issue is ? Rather him, than another family of benefit cheats. For every council tenant, who is an above average earner, such as Bob Crowe, there are dozens that are unfairly subsidised. By unfairly, I mean cheating and "working" the benefits system."

There are always those who can't abide the fact a working man has made a success of his life.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have never met anyone in my life time that has ever begrudged a hard working man success ever. I think you're talking Bollocks again as usual.

I think that you're confusing it with people who preach morals & socialism & then use social housing when they earn £145k a year. Easy mistake to make, but if you take your red rose spectacles off then maybe you can see the hypocrisy very clearly like the rest of us.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"I have never met anyone in my life time that has ever begrudged a hard working man success ever. I think you're talking Bollocks again as usual.

I think that you're confusing it with people who preach morals & socialism & then use social housing when they earn £145k a year. Easy mistake to make, but if you take your red rose spectacles off then maybe you can see the hypocrisy very clearly like the rest of us. "

As I said (above). Envy.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I have never met anyone in my life time that has ever begrudged a hard working man success ever. I think you're talking Bollocks again as usual.

I think that you're confusing it with people who preach morals & socialism & then use social housing when they earn £145k a year. Easy mistake to make, but if you take your red rose spectacles off then maybe you can see the hypocrisy very clearly like the rest of us. "

I really can't see the problem. He was paying £150 a week rent. The social housing trust were happy to have him there. Is it his wage packet that you resent ? People who earn good money always get a hard time on these forums, earlier on in the thread the finger was being pointed at tube drivers salaries.

Jealousy is an ugly trait.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

He'd have been condemned in some quarters whatever he did.

Stay in the house he's lived in for 30+ years and he's 'blocking a council house'.

Move out and he's 'deserting his roots'.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I have never met anyone in my life time that has ever begrudged a hard working man success ever. I think you're talking Bollocks again as usual.

I think that you're confusing it with people who preach morals & socialism & then use social housing when they earn £145k a year. Easy mistake to make, but if you take your red rose spectacles off then maybe you can see the hypocrisy very clearly like the rest of us.

I really can't see the problem. He was paying £150 a week rent. The social housing trust were happy to have him there. Is it his wage packet that you resent ? People who earn good money always get a hard time on these forums, earlier on in the thread the finger was being pointed at tube drivers salaries.

Jealousy is an ugly trait. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I have never met anyone in my life time that has ever begrudged a hard working man success ever. I think you're talking Bollocks again as usual.

I think that you're confusing it with people who preach morals & socialism & then use social housing when they earn £145k a year. Easy mistake to make, but if you take your red rose spectacles off then maybe you can see the hypocrisy very clearly like the rest of us.

I really can't see the problem. He was paying £150 a week rent. The social housing trust were happy to have him there. Is it his wage packet that you resent ? People who earn good money always get a hard time on these forums, earlier on in the thread the finger was being pointed at tube drivers salaries.

Jealousy is an ugly trait. "

Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Im a tube driver and please the next time you are in london come see me and ill show you what bob did for us! You must have a rubbish job and union for you to moan about him ! Why dont you have a rant about the bankers and mps who ruined the economy and none of them were arrested or sent to jail ! I respect ed bob crow for what he stood for and he didnt call for strikes we did ! He had more balls than any political leader in the last 20 years and jealousy is a b###h

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Starting salary for a tube driver £47,000. I suspect there's a lot of envy going on around here.

Worth every penny. Not only do they drive the train but they are responsible for everyone's safety who are on that train.

Most Commercial pilots starting out are on less than £20,000 Basic, and Air Traffic ! Controllers about £25,000 after training know who has the more demanding job.well said xxx

Maybe they should get a better union leader then. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How the fuck is anyone jealous of Bob Crow? I can assure you I don't do jealousy, that is a Socialist trait reserved for anybody who is better off than them. Hypocrisy is different to jealousy.

Also if you want to get on to blaming bankers, who took away regulatory control from the Bank of England? Who gave the responsibility to 3 different public bodies & then told them that they all had monitor the financial markets, but non were completely responsible? The first run on a bank in over 200 years & the only person to blame was Gordon Brown because he fucked up a perfectly good system that worked. Some people are really out of their depth on here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Im a tube driver and please the next time you are in london come see me and ill show you what bob did for us! You must have a rubbish job and union for you to moan about him ! Why dont you have a rant about the bankers and mps who ruined the economy and none of them were arrested or sent to jail ! I respect ed bob crow for what he stood for and he didnt call for strikes we did ! He had more balls than any political leader in the last 20 years and jealousy is a b###h "

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By *punkloverCouple  over a year ago

hatfield

He caused Londoners so much trouble but his job was to get the best deal possible for his people. Nobody should be happy when someone loses their life.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How the fuck is anyone jealous of Bob Crow? I can assure you I don't do jealousy, that is a Socialist trait reserved for anybody who is better off than them. Hypocrisy is different to jealousy.

Also if you want to get on to blaming bankers, who took away regulatory control from the Bank of England? Who gave the responsibility to 3 different public bodies & then told them that they all had monitor the financial markets, but non were completely responsible? The first run on a bank in over 200 years & the only person to blame was Gordon Brown because he fucked up a perfectly good system that worked. Some people are really out of their depth on here. "

We can see you sinking from here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But Scargill is a first class cunt. Started the miner's strike with a small house & a big Union, ended the strike with a small union & big house. All the while being paid by the Kremlin to take British workers out on strike against the Government during the cold war.

Refused a proper ballot. The Miners that didn't agree with him were targeting by militants. Those such as David Wilkie who wanted to go to work, so they dropped a concrete block on him from a motorway bridge. That, & many other reasons is why Scargill is a cunt."

please get you facts straight re the miners strike,Scargill didn't call the strike,it was the miners reacting to what was happening at 3 pits in Yorkshire,they had walked out before Scargill got involved and all the other pits went along with them,after they had all done that any ballot would have been null and void due to legislation thatcher introduced,the Tories engineered that strike by moving McGregor from the steel industry to the coal industry and had been building up stocks of coal in Germany and Holland with the sole intention of "taking on the miners" after they had brought down the heath govt,they wanted revenge!all we have is a country that now relies on imported energy from all over,something that could be used to make our govt bend to will of another,bit like being frightened of the gas supply being cut if we take sanctions against Russia of the Crimean

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By *uslaffMan  over a year ago

manchester


"Who is he never heard of him ????"

He starred in Gladiator.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'll tell you the facts. The Government announced Cortonwood Colliery in Yorkshire. This was to be the first of 20 pit closures with the loss of 20,000 jobs. The National Union of Mineworkers responded by calling for a national strike. No ballot. No democracy. Just what is the point of having general elections when if the Unions don't like what the people voted for, then they could bring down Governments as they did with Wilson & Heath?

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"I'll tell you the facts. The Government announced Cortonwood Colliery in Yorkshire. This was to be the first of 20 pit closures with the loss of 20,000 jobs. The National Union of Mineworkers responded by calling for a national strike. No ballot. No democracy. Just what is the point of having general elections when if the Unions don't like what the people voted for, then they could bring down Governments as they did with Wilson & Heath? "

I don't recall pit closures being in the election manifesto.

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By *arkstaffsMan  over a year ago

Rugeley


"Im a tube driver and please the next time you are in london come see me and ill show you what bob did for us! You must have a rubbish job and union for you to moan about him ! Why dont you have a rant about the bankers and mps who ruined the economy and none of them were arrested or sent to jail ! I respect ed bob crow for what he stood for and he didnt call for strikes we did ! He had more balls than any political leader in the last 20 years and jealousy is a b###h "

Amen to those fine words. Bob Crow did more than any other trade union general secretary to fight for decent pay and conditions for his members. RIP Bob you will never be forgotten.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I have never met anyone in my life time that has ever begrudged a hard working man success ever. I think you're talking Bollocks again as usual.

I think that you're confusing it with people who preach morals & socialism & then use social housing when they earn £145k a year. Easy mistake to make, but if you take your red rose spectacles off then maybe you can see the hypocrisy very clearly like the rest of us.

I really can't see the problem. He was paying £150 a week rent. The social housing trust were happy to have him there. Is it his wage packet that you resent ? People who earn good money always get a hard time on these forums, earlier on in the thread the finger was being pointed at tube drivers salaries.

Jealousy is an ugly trait. "

I've said it before but on the this here forum earning £26k, working bloody hard for it and preferably not a professional is about what is acceptable.

He didn't set the salary for his job. He did his job and did it well.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"I have never met anyone in my life time that has ever begrudged a hard working man success ever. I think you're talking Bollocks again as usual.

I think that you're confusing it with people who preach morals & socialism & then use social housing when they earn £145k a year. Easy mistake to make, but if you take your red rose spectacles off then maybe you can see the hypocrisy very clearly like the rest of us.

I really can't see the problem. He was paying £150 a week rent. The social housing trust were happy to have him there. Is it his wage packet that you resent ? People who earn good money always get a hard time on these forums, earlier on in the thread the finger was being pointed at tube drivers salaries.

Jealousy is an ugly trait.

I've said it before but on the this here forum earning £26k, working bloody hard for it and preferably not a professional is about what is acceptable.

He didn't set the salary for his job. He did his job and did it well.

"

And he was elected to his job by the people who paid his wages, not foisted upon them by a group of faceless non executive directors playing you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

I like to think Bob is in Hell, giving Satan a hard time and organising all the little Devils.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'll tell you the facts. The Government announced Cortonwood Colliery in Yorkshire. This was to be the first of 20 pit closures with the loss of 20,000 jobs. The National Union of Mineworkers responded by calling for a national strike. No ballot. No democracy. Just what is the point of having general elections when if the Unions don't like what the people voted for, then they could bring down Governments as they did with Wilson & Heath? "

nope you are wrong and under the 30yr rule you can research the facts

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

the unions didn't bring down Wilson,you're getting mixed up with him and Callaghan,Wilson retired while PM,but why let the facts get in the way of opinion?

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By *-4pleasureCouple  over a year ago

Belfast


"I certainly know that train drivers are not impoverished. But Crow was so militant in his strikes & unreasonable demands that he was in danger of doing a "Scargill" & putting his train drivers on the dole because the employers started to think of replacing them with automated trains.

I'm sure his family will carry on living in the council house. But I feel that Socialists on £145k a year should not be living in them & shows that he was a hypocrite.

Bob crow never called for one strike. The union members called for them. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Actually they didn't bring down the Wilson Government. But they did bring down Heath's & they wanted to bring down Maggie, but she was far too clever for them. Arthur Scargill used to have 3 Kremlin funded shredded wheat every morning. Eat two & put one on his head! What a plonker!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

the miners strike was caused by the yorkshire miners invoking a clause agreed in 1981 re pit closures when thatcher backed down,they walked out,Scargill never called them out,it was the other way round,he was doing what his members told him to do

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

6,000 went on strike in Yorkshire, but Scargill declared a national strike without the ballot. 6,000 going on strike isn't the majority of NUM members insisting on a strike. Oh & Wilson shut more mines & more miners were laid off than Maggie closed.

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By *wiftieeMan  over a year ago

near Glasgow

Reading about Bob Crowe earlier, and it seems he wasn't all bad.

He wanted Britain out of the EU!

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By *owboy BebopMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"So he has died of a massive heart attack.

So it was blocked tubes that finally killed him, oh the irony.

Tomorrow I'm going to walk to work. It's what he would've wanted! "

A man has died leaving behind a grieving family, I for one do not find the comment above, at all funny. I find it sad and petty, which unfortunately probably sums you up.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So he has died of a massive heart attack.

So it was blocked tubes that finally killed him, oh the irony.

Tomorrow I'm going to walk to work. It's what he would've wanted!

A man has died leaving behind a grieving family, I for one do not find the comment above, at all funny. I find it sad and petty, which unfortunately probably sums you up.

"

Not very nice.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Actually they didn't bring down the Wilson Government. But they did bring down Heath's & they wanted to bring down Maggie, but she was far too clever for them. Arthur Scargill used to have 3 Kremlin funded shredded wheat every morning. Eat two & put one on his head! What a plonker!"

So much for 'not playing the man'.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Unreal!

I was listenening to him only last night on radio4

Never a fan of the commy cunt but sad at his passing. Especially as he was younger than me, best wishes to his family."

Yea best wishes family , bet you appreciate the high esteem the above poster held him in.......

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Bob work tirelessly for his union and member and made life a bit more tolerable for so many.

R.I.P

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By *wiftieeMan  over a year ago

near Glasgow


"Unreal!

I was listenening to him only last night on radio4

Never a fan of the commy cunt but sad at his passing. Especially as he was younger than me, best wishes to his family.

Yea best wishes family , bet you appreciate the high esteem the above poster held him in....... "

I haven't read all of this thread so I don't know whether this has already been mentioned. And I'm well aware that a man has died, and his family, friends and colleagues are now mourning.

However, his comments when a certain Maggie died were a disgrace!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Perhaps his heart went on strike..."

what a sad and pathetic thing to say about a persons passing..

such humanity you display..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

Bob Crowe was elected by his members to best serve their interests and he did so to the best of his ability..

he called less strike action than he had the mandate to do so as he knew how to negotiate from a position of strength..

if a quarter of the Politicians in this country had the same commitment to the people who actually elected them as he did to his members and to the safety of the public also then perhaps we may have an effective democracy rather than one of apathy and mistrust..

RIP Bob..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

RIP Bob Crowe.

A decent, hardworking and honest man.

Whilst not a fan of his Thatcher quote, he also had Blair sussed :

"He squandered a massive landslide from an electorate hungry for change, poured billions of public pounds into private pockets and accelerated the growing gap between rich and poor." On Tony Blair

Presumably though, the RMT contributed many millions to fund Blair and Nu-Labour.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"6,000 went on strike in Yorkshire, but Scargill declared a national strike without the ballot. 6,000 going on strike isn't the majority of NUM members insisting on a strike. Oh & Wilson shut more mines & more miners were laid off than Maggie closed. "

that is another piece of info you really need to examine closer,for one it isn't true,80% of the workforce was put out of work by thatcher and 2 the pits closed under Wilson were shut due to end of life(exhausted),the num actually agreed to pits being closed for such a reason even if it had have been thatcher,please do slightly more research,don't really on wiki!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It is strange that when I get into an argument with a Socialist that they always lie because the true record of Socialism is so appalling.

290 Pits closed under Wilson & 160 under Maggie. That's hell of a lot more pits, they can't all have been exhausted.

Just wait until I tell you that B.Liar shut more manufacturing industry than Maggie also. I bet you don't like those apples either!

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"It is strange that when I get into an argument with a Socialist that they always lie because the true record of Socialism is so appalling.

290 Pits closed under Wilson & 160 under Maggie. That's hell of a lot more pits, they can't all have been exhausted.

Just wait until I tell you that B.Liar shut more manufacturing industry than Maggie also. I bet you don't like those apples either! "

They're not apples, they're yet more bollox.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is strange that when I get into an argument with a Socialist that they always lie because the true record of Socialism is so appalling.

290 Pits closed under Wilson & 160 under Maggie. That's hell of a lot more pits, they can't all have been exhausted.

Just wait until I tell you that B.Liar shut more manufacturing industry than Maggie also. I bet you don't like those apples either! "

why do you think anybody arguing with your so called facts is a socialist? more jobs were lost in the coal industry under thatcher,it doesn't matter what political persuasion you are the numbers are the same,most of the pits closed during wilsons era were small(some very small)privately owned pits that were exhausted,miners have never been against closing pits that are classed as exhausted,thatcher closed pits for political reasons more than for any other reason,which has now left us in a position where we have millions of tons of un minerable coal still underground and importing the stuff from abroad to fire our power stations,are you happy relying most of our power being so dependent on other countries?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Im a tube driver and please the next time you are in london come see me and ill show you what bob did for us! You must have a rubbish job and union for you to moan about him ! Why dont you have a rant about the bankers and mps who ruined the economy and none of them were arrested or sent to jail ! I respect ed bob crow for what he stood for and he didnt call for strikes we did ! He had more balls than any political leader in the last 20 years and jealousy is a b###h "

I'm not going to get into the Bob Crowe slanging match as, unlike him, I have some respect for the dead. However, I will say that a good Communist always knows how to make people think that they have freedom of choice. Just like in North Korea. The union made the decision people were going to strike long before "the members" made it. The user of spin doctors isn't limited to government. The unions have similar people who spin to not only the press and outside world but also their own members.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Read this & weep! Manufacturing accounted for more than 20 per cent of the economy in 1997, the year Labour came to power. But by 2007, that share had declined to 12.4 per cent.

That is far steeper than the fall under Lady Thatcher, when its share of the economy fell from 25.8 per cent to 22.5 per cent.

Shadow Business Secretary Ken Clarke, a Cabinet Minister under Lady Thatcher, said: 'New Labour has presided over an unprecedented and catastrophic collapse in the manufacturing sector.

'They have done the damage to manufacturing about which they now grieve.

'They use the false excuse of blaming the Conservative Government, during whose long period in office the decline was comparatively small.'

Labour the party of the working class my fucking arse!

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

Quoting from a man who's best known for wearing brothel creepers????????

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Read this & weep! Manufacturing accounted for more than 20 per cent of the economy in 1997, the year Labour came to power. But by 2007, that share had declined to 12.4 per cent.

That is far steeper than the fall under Lady Thatcher, when its share of the economy fell from 25.8 per cent to 22.5 per cent.

Shadow Business Secretary Ken Clarke, a Cabinet Minister under Lady Thatcher, said: 'New Labour has presided over an unprecedented and catastrophic collapse in the manufacturing sector.

'They have done the damage to manufacturing about which they now grieve.

'They use the false excuse of blaming the Conservative Government, during whose long period in office the decline was comparatively small.'

Labour the party of the working class my fucking arse! "

oh right the Ken Clarke who is a err tory..

ffs are you so naive to take what any tory says about the opposition as fact..

as usual more bollox..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Read this & weep! Manufacturing accounted for more than 20 per cent of the economy in 1997, the year Labour came to power. But by 2007, that share had declined to 12.4 per cent.

That is far steeper than the fall under Lady Thatcher, when its share of the economy fell from 25.8 per cent to 22.5 per cent.

Shadow Business Secretary Ken Clarke, a Cabinet Minister under Lady Thatcher, said: 'New Labour has presided over an unprecedented and catastrophic collapse in the manufacturing sector.

'They have done the damage to manufacturing about which they now grieve.

'They use the false excuse of blaming the Conservative Government, during whose long period in office the decline was comparatively small.'

Labour the party of the working class my fucking arse! "

the number of manufacturing jobs lost(as in folk losing their livelihood)was greater under thatcher,it was almost 2 million,%ages are easily manipulated as it depends on what the base figure that %age is of,actual numbers stay the same

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The fact is is that Labour couldn't run a piss up in brewery. Now the Socialists in Brussels run the country, there's nothing anybody can do to stop the decline.

If you think that Red Ed & the U-shite union will save the country then you are completely delusional...or work for the Labour party.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

You may recall the brewery 'joke' was used by Ed against call me Dave "Can the Prime Minister tell us if there is anything that he could organise in a brewery?" at the time of the alcohol minimum pricing debacle.

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"Read this & weep! Manufacturing accounted for more than 20 per cent of the economy in 1997, the year Labour came to power. But by 2007, that share had declined to 12.4 per cent.

That is far steeper than the fall under Lady Thatcher, when its share of the economy fell from 25.8 per cent to 22.5 per cent.

Shadow Business Secretary Ken Clarke, a Cabinet Minister under Lady Thatcher, said: 'New Labour has presided over an unprecedented and catastrophic collapse in the manufacturing sector.

'They have done the damage to manufacturing about which they now grieve.

'They use the false excuse of blaming the Conservative Government, during whose long period in office the decline was comparatively small.'

Labour the party of the working class my fucking arse! "

So?

If you think New Labour and Socialism are in any way connected you are deluded.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It was very funny too! It is of course true, Cast iron Dave is a complete plonker! He says that he wants an EU referendum, but if the Eu reject his proposals, then he'll recommend that we stay in.

That's why I now vote UKIP because the Tory's have moved left & so I have more in common with Nigel Garage!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It was very funny too! It is of course true, Cast iron Dave is a complete plonker! He says that he wants an EU referendum, but if the Eu reject his proposals, then he'll recommend that we stay in.

That's why I now vote UKIP because the Tory's have moved left & so I have more in common with Nigel Garage! "

yep he talks about things without checking facts 1st as well

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Read this & weep! Manufacturing accounted for more than 20 per cent of the economy in 1997, the year Labour came to power. But by 2007, that share had declined to 12.4 per cent.

That is far steeper than the fall under Lady Thatcher, when its share of the economy fell from 25.8 per cent to 22.5 per cent.

Shadow Business Secretary Ken Clarke, a Cabinet Minister under Lady Thatcher, said: 'New Labour has presided over an unprecedented and catastrophic collapse in the manufacturing sector.

'They have done the damage to manufacturing about which they now grieve.

'They use the false excuse of blaming the Conservative Government, during whose long period in office the decline was comparatively small.'

Labour the party of the working class my fucking arse!

the number of manufacturing jobs lost(as in folk losing their livelihood)was greater under thatcher,it was almost 2 million,%ages are easily manipulated as it depends on what the base figure that %age is of,actual numbers stay the same"

You really need to check your facts before regurgitating it was a lot less manufacturing jobs as the 2 million figure included many other job losses from fishing to farming and other manual positions that were far from from the manufacturing sector. Saying that all governments see a change in employment trends we are currently seeing one in the armed forces which will no doubt be quoted out of context in the future.

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"It was very funny too! It is of course true, Cast iron Dave is a complete plonker! He says that he wants an EU referendum, but if the Eu reject his proposals, then he'll recommend that we stay in.

That's why I now vote UKIP because the Tory's have moved left & so I have more in common with Nigel Garage! "

Excellent. The more people vote UKIP the less chance of a Tory government.

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By *ihimbiherCouple  over a year ago

lightwater


"Didn't like the man but he was a tenacious as a Jack Russell in his dealings with politicians and for that, I salute him.

RIP"

Well said.

Rip to another human being

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By *ihimbiherCouple  over a year ago

lightwater

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Didn't like the man but he was a tenacious as a Jack Russell in his dealings with politicians and for that, I salute him.

RIP

Well said.

Rip to another human being"

Human and humane.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Read this & weep! Manufacturing accounted for more than 20 per cent of the economy in 1997, the year Labour came to power. But by 2007, that share had declined to 12.4 per cent.

That is far steeper than the fall under Lady Thatcher, when its share of the economy fell from 25.8 per cent to 22.5 per cent.

Shadow Business Secretary Ken Clarke, a Cabinet Minister under Lady Thatcher, said: 'New Labour has presided over an unprecedented and catastrophic collapse in the manufacturing sector.

'They have done the damage to manufacturing about which they now grieve.

'They use the false excuse of blaming the Conservative Government, during whose long period in office the decline was comparatively small.'

Labour the party of the working class my fucking arse!

the number of manufacturing jobs lost(as in folk losing their livelihood)was greater under thatcher,it was almost 2 million,%ages are easily manipulated as it depends on what the base figure that %age is of,actual numbers stay the same

You really need to check your facts before regurgitating it was a lot less manufacturing jobs as the 2 million figure included many other job losses from fishing to farming and other manual positions that were far from from the manufacturing sector. Saying that all governments see a change in employment trends we are currently seeing one in the armed forces which will no doubt be quoted out of context in the future."

no 1.9million(which is nearly 2 million) manufacturing jobs went under thatcher,do the research

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

The Railway Man

by Phill Jupitus

I heard

On the train

We had lost

A most singular

Essex man

Fighting man

Union man

Railed against injustice

Made points

And kept track

Of the bastards

So I wrote these lines

On the same train

And realised that

In his memory

None of us

Should be

Sleepers

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By *nnyMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

I hope Bob is having a wee cuppa with Joe Hill, John Maclean, Ally Hulett, Pete Seeger and the other bonnie fechters we've lost too soon.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Railway Man

by Phill Jupitus

I heard

On the train

We had lost

A most singular

Essex man

Fighting man

Union man

Railed against injustice

Made points

And kept track

Of the bastards

So I wrote these lines

On the same train

And realised that

In his memory

None of us

Should be

Sleepers"

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By *dam_TinaCouple  over a year ago

Hampshire


"Quoting from a man who's best known for wearing brothel creepers????????"

And your post from above

'So much for 'not playing the man'.

Double standards at all ?

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