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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I come from the past. Things were different then.
My parents actually knew people killed in the war. Grand Prix racing drivers had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. I had a rifle and went poaching at 12. When I first worked on a construction site the "safety rail" at 150 feet above the ground was a bit of reinforcing bar wired to chains which supported the swinging walkway.
We speeded, we drank, we had sex (bareback!), we tried new things that scared us. We were alive and lived; and yes, some died too early; but we learnt to assess the risks for ourselves and act as we felt right.
It seems now that each year we have more and more advice, good practice, peer pressure and health and safety restrictions all aimed at removing every perceivable risk from life.
Sometimes it seems to me that a miasma of paranoia threatens to take away our life and leave us with just existence until death. As humans we are in danger of becoming too reliant on others to tell us what is right and what is wrong.
Am I alone in feeling this?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I get where you are coming from but I'm not convinced the fact that 12 year olds no longer hunt woth guns or that health and safety legislation makes construction and many other jobs much safer is a bad thing |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I get where you are coming from but I'm not convinced the fact that 12 year-olds no longer hunt with guns or that health and safety legislation makes construction and many other jobs much safer is a bad thing"
Bad thing? Perhaps not; but there is a perception of safety now whereas in my youth there was a need to feel the fear. It taught you survival.
I sometimes wonder if modern children brought up on a diet of video games think when they die they just hit the reset button and refrag? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I come from the past. Things were different then.
My parents actually knew people killed in the war. Grand Prix racing drivers had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. I had a rifle and went poaching at 12. When I first worked on a construction site the "safety rail" at 150 feet above the ground was a bit of reinforcing bar wired to chains which supported the swinging walkway.
We speeded, we drank, we had sex (bareback!), we tried new things that scared us. We were alive and lived; and yes, some died too early; but we learnt to assess the risks for ourselves and act as we felt right.
It seems now that each year we have more and more advice, good practice, peer pressure and health and safety restrictions all aimed at removing every perceivable risk from life.
Sometimes it seems to me that a miasma of paranoia threatens to take away our life and leave us with just existence until death. As humans we are in danger of becoming too reliant on others to tell us what is right and what is wrong.
Am I alone in feeling this? "
No you're not. There's a huge list of things we did when young that kids of today wouldn't be allowed to do as 'it's unsafe' . Kids can't get dirty and build up immunities to things. people don't seem to rely on common sense any more.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think kids need to be bored sometimes. They seem to have no imagination these days, always playing computer games or watching tv. Give them a cardboard box and a pen! 
Some things are better, some worse. I don't miss scraping the ice off my clothes in a morning. I do miss riding my bmx.  |
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"I come from the past. Things were different then.
My parents actually knew people killed in the war. Grand Prix racing drivers had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. I had a rifle and went poaching at 12. When I first worked on a construction site the "safety rail" at 150 feet above the ground was a bit of reinforcing bar wired to chains which supported the swinging walkway.
We speeded, we drank, we had sex (bareback!), we tried new things that scared us. We were alive and lived; and yes, some died too early; but we learnt to assess the risks for ourselves and act as we felt right.
It seems now that each year we have more and more advice, good practice, peer pressure and health and safety restrictions all aimed at removing every perceivable risk from life.
Sometimes it seems to me that a miasma of paranoia threatens to take away our life and leave us with just existence until death. As humans we are in danger of becoming too reliant on others to tell us what is right and what is wrong.
Am I alone in feeling this? "
if you dont like condoms you should just text her x X X |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
My grandmother was born in 1891 (honestly, I have her birth and death certificates). As a 12 year old child she worked in a cotton mill and was one of those responsible for following under the mechanical looms to sweep away the gathering cotton dust which would clog up the machines - productivity doncha know.
Thankfully, a lot of legislation to make workplaces safer means that children do not have to risk their lives like this - nor does anyone else - to sacrifice their well-being for profit.
A lot of safety measures have added positively to our existence meaning we can enjoy life much more, and for longer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I totally get where the op is coming from .
It's a crazy world if rules and regulations , which restrict life itself , to a generation like us .
We were far more carefree then , could do and say what we liked ( within reason ) and yes , even bareback was common then , and no one gave a dam !
Was it so much better then though , or are we just reminiscing with Rose tinted glasses ?
A bit of both I think , safety precautions are sometimes just common sense ( protected sex ) but kids these days seem to be oblivious to the joys of tree climbing and cycling in the woods on home made bikes and go karts .
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"I totally get where the op is coming from .
It's a crazy world if rules and regulations , which restrict life itself , to a generation like us .
We were far more carefree then , could do and say what we liked ( within reason ) and yes , even bareback was common then , and no one gave a dam !
Was it so much better then though , or are we just reminiscing with Rose tinted glasses ?
A bit of both I think , safety precautions are sometimes just common sense ( protected sex ) but kids these days seem to be oblivious to the joys of tree climbing and cycling in the woods on home made bikes and go karts .
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A lot of that is due to over-protective parenting rather than excessive health and safety regulation. And schools prevent many traditional playground games through fear of being sued by such parents. That is what stifles childhood. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Get over to the TT then
I certainly understand where the OP's coming from.
Humans aren't evolved to slob and plug in in front of the Console.
Personally I sometimes like to scare myself just enough to show I've still got a pulse. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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It seems the human spirit is alive still.
I would like children to learn to take responsibility for their own safety more. Over protective parents and scared schools do seem to be leading us towards a cotton wool society. Perhaps the sadest result is the way we all buy into the propaganda. And then Anyone who does not follow the rules is an "idiot", "fool" and worse.
Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum |
"Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool. "
That's because the only person he risks is himself. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"It seems the human spirit is alive still.
I would like children to learn to take responsibility for their own safety more. Over protective parents and scared schools do seem to be leading us towards a cotton wool society. Perhaps the sadest result is the way we all buy into the propaganda. And then Anyone who does not follow the rules is an "idiot", "fool" and worse.
Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool. "
Ah, so that's the crux of your argument. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I sometimes walk under ladders.......
No, been in A+E countless times and have had several near, and I mean NEAR death experiences.
Life without risk isn't life at all ;though I admit I have calmed down in middle age.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool. "
So, you're a rugged, intrepid Explorer? No, you're a little boy crying because the nasty lady made him put a rubber thing on his willy. |
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I think that the impression that all children are pale wraiths who spend their days and nights in front of computer games is a myth. I encounter a lot of youngsters and they are not risk averse, work averse or fresh air averse, they have the same sense of adventure kids have always had plenty of young men get killed in cars or on motorbikes through risk taking, plenty of them need to be pulled out of the sea trying out new adventures, they play football, BMX, skate etc etc. Every generation believes that the upcoming youth is doomed but I have every hope that our future is in good hands. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It seems the human spirit is alive still.
I would like children to learn to take responsibility for their own safety more. Over protective parents and scared schools do seem to be leading us towards a cotton wool society. Perhaps the sadest result is the way we all buy into the propaganda. And then Anyone who does not follow the rules is an "idiot", "fool" and worse.
Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool.
Ah, so that's the crux of your argument."
I used that as an example of where risk taking is viewed as an "idiots" past time. If you want to comment on bareback per se then there are many other forum posts.
Is the reason risk taking is viewed as stupid and foolhardy because we are being constantly being bombarded with safety propaganda? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool. "
I'd love to see the statistical analysis that enabled you to come up with that absolute pile of old toss... |
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"It seems the human spirit is alive still.
I would like children to learn to take responsibility for their own safety more. Over protective parents and scared schools do seem to be leading us towards a cotton wool society. Perhaps the sadest result is the way we all buy into the propaganda. And then Anyone who does not follow the rules is an "idiot", "fool" and worse.
Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool.
Ah, so that's the crux of your argument.
I used that as an example of where risk taking is viewed as an "idiots" past time. If you want to comment on bareback per se then there are many other forum posts.
Is the reason risk taking is viewed as stupid and foolhardy because we are being constantly being bombarded with safety propaganda? "
I don't view risk taking as foolhardy and stupid if the risk is properly considered, that's because I am capable of independent thought and can take information that is given to me, think it over and act according to my own conclusions. I think you assume that other people are not capable of this which is a bit patronising. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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I am also scratching my head about the perception that kids are all sun-shy stay-at-homes. My daughter spent her childhood cycling all over the place, and the kids round here do so too. We might not go shooting any more but then I never did. Its easy enough to get a kid into archery or another sport if they so wish.
I think it is the parents responsibility to enable their child to have a good quality of life, but these days its the parents sitting in front of the TV as much as the kids are. As for H&S, I am one of those who prefer to feel safer in my day to day life. Call me a coward if you like, but I'm not seeing the advantage of exposing myself or my loved ones to serious injury just to 'live' a little.
As for all that bareback sex we did in the 70s, a small thing called AIDS came along and scared the crap out of us all. I agree that we manage that risk as we wish to, but I don't see why I should go bareback because some bloke is stood there pouting. |
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"PLEASE NOTE. This is NOT about bareback sex but societies attitude to risk. "
I didn't think it was. I still think that those of us who are capable of independent thought will question the nannying and will be well able to realise what is acceptable risk and what is tantamount to suicide. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It seems the human spirit is alive still.
I would like children to learn to take responsibility for their own safety more. Over protective parents and scared schools do seem to be leading us towards a cotton wool society. Perhaps the sadest result is the way we all buy into the propaganda. And then Anyone who does not follow the rules is an "idiot", "fool" and worse.
Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool.
Ah, so that's the crux of your argument.
I used that as an example of where risk taking is viewed as an "idiots" past time. If you want to comment on bareback per se then there are many other forum posts.
Is the reason risk taking is viewed as stupid and foolhardy because we are being constantly being bombarded with safety propaganda?
I don't view risk taking as foolhardy and stupid if the risk is properly considered, that's because I am capable of independent thought and can take information that is given to me, think it over and act according to my own conclusions. I think you assume that other people are not capable of this which is a bit patronising. "
Interesting point of view and one I support; until your last sentence.
I am not making the "patronising" assumption you suggest unless of course you are being naively optimistic in assuming everyone sees risk as you do.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"PLEASE NOTE. This is NOT about bareback sex but societies attitude to risk.
I didn't think it was. I still think that those of us who are capable of independent thought will question the nannying and will be well able to realise what is acceptable risk and what is tantamount to suicide."
Thank you!!! I did not mean you of course. There were some above heading off piste to try and pin it on bb etc. |
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Sadly there are a few hundred thousand who who disagree with you but they are dead x
You want to do dangerous stuff knowingly then nothing stopping you however for the average person living and staying alive is enough x
Oh and I kite surf . Extreme ski and board , ice climb , mountain bike , ride a mountain bike and over see the health n safety for the company .
Risks should only be undertaken when the person understands the risk they maybe taking and indeed the whole conciquences .  |
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I don't view risk taking as foolhardy and stupid if the risk is properly considered, that's because I am capable of independent thought and can take information that is given to me, think it over and act according to my own conclusions. I think you assume that other people are not capable of this which is a bit patronising.
Interesting point of view and one I support; until your last sentence.
I am not making the "patronising" assumption you suggest unless of course you are being naively optimistic in assuming everyone sees risk as you do. "
I don't view optimism as naïve but you may be right that a lot of people don't question what they're told and follow that with their own research in order to draw independent conclusions. There is evidence of that daily in the forums. Maybe I'm lucky enough to know people in "real" life who think for themselves
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Bareback is one case where the vitriol poured on those that do it is like an acid drenching shower. Yet the risks are far far less than walking to the south pole; and I don't hear many calling Ranulph Fiennes a fool.
I'd love to see the statistical analysis that enabled you to come up with that absolute pile of old toss..."
Erm, more people per thousand die walking to the south pole than having sex. Q.E.D.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sadly there are a few hundred thousand who who disagree with you but they are dead x
You want to do dangerous stuff knowingly then nothing stopping you however for the average person living and staying alive is enough x
Oh and I kite surf . Extreme ski and board , ice climb , mountain bike , ride a mountain bike and over see the health n safety for the company .
Risks should only be undertaken when the person understands the risk they maybe taking and indeed the whole conciquences . "
You wreckless fool!! All those dangerous activities! |
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"Soon all society will care about is how many 'followers' you have, 'friends' on Facebook and who 'likes' you posts
Meowmeowbeans here we come...."
Number of Facebook users is slowly decreasing, I think time spent on the laptop on Facebook for hours has gone, with mobile technology increasing we are socially networking on the move and thus spending less time on them and hopefully doing more productive things! |
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"I come from the past. Things were different then.
My parents actually knew people killed in the war. Grand Prix racing drivers had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. I had a rifle and went poaching at 12. When I first worked on a construction site the "safety rail" at 150 feet above the ground was a bit of reinforcing bar wired to chains which supported the swinging walkway.
We speeded, we drank, we had sex (bareback!), we tried new things that scared us. We were alive and lived; and yes, some died too early; but we learnt to assess the risks for ourselves and act as we felt right.
It seems now that each year we have more and more advice, good practice, peer pressure and health and safety restrictions all aimed at removing every perceivable risk from life.
Sometimes it seems to me that a miasma of paranoia threatens to take away our life and leave us with just existence until death. As humans we are in danger of becoming too reliant on others to tell us what is right and what is wrong.
Am I alone in feeling this? "
No, you're not. Western (especially UK) society has become far too risk averse.
Life poses no greater danger now than it did in generations past but 24 hours rolling media means our heads get filled with a lot more danger than they did before. They have to fill the news with stuff and therefore we get lots and lots of murder, child-abduction, health warnings, weather warnings, the more sensational the better.
The workplace is even sillier. There is a sign on our shredder in massive bold letters saying "not a photocopier and please mind your clothing near this machine" and even funnier, people keep falling over the yellow signs telling you to be careful of wet floors. Little things but they encourage us to disengage our brains these little things. |
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I have no great issues with health and safety it's there to prevent idiots from accidentally causing themselves or others harm , of one is intelligent or at least takes an educated curious interest in the way the world and stuff works you are pretty free to do all the idiotic things you may wish xxx  don't forget if you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room |
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"I come from the past. Things were different then.
My parents actually knew people killed in the war. Grand Prix racing drivers had a 1 in 3 chance of dying. I had a rifle and went poaching at 12. When I first worked on a construction site the "safety rail" at 150 feet above the ground was a bit of reinforcing bar wired to chains which supported the swinging walkway.
We speeded, we drank, we had sex (bareback!), we tried new things that scared us. We were alive and lived; and yes, some died too early; but we learnt to assess the risks for ourselves and act as we felt right.
It seems now that each year we have more and more advice, good practice, peer pressure and health and safety restrictions all aimed at removing every perceivable risk from life.
Sometimes it seems to me that a miasma of paranoia threatens to take away our life and leave us with just existence until death. As humans we are in danger of becoming too reliant on others to tell us what is right and what is wrong.
Am I alone in feeling this? "
totally agree with you, the things we done as kids is unimaginable now,
there are to many peeps telling us what to do and what not to do, nobody is aloud to think for them selves anymore,
health and safety officers should be called fun police, my pet hate is wash this wash that clean this clean that don't touch urgh that's dirty, by getting dirty we strengthened our im une systems, now we rely on anti biotics but soon if taken too often they will cease to be effective |
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nobody is aloud to think for them selves anymore,
health and safety officers should be called fun police, my pet hate is wash this wash that clean this clean that don't touch urgh that's dirty, by getting dirty we strengthened our im une systems, now we rely on anti biotics but soon if taken too often they will cease to be effective"
we are allowed to think for ourselves...all you need to do is think....if you don't want to wash things then don't. It's straightforward we do not have to take this advice unless we want to. |
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