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Halal and Kosher Meat

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It is inhumane that animals are slaughter without first stunning them, all in the name of Religion. I am surprised that Politicians and the RSPCA etc have allowed this to go on in the United Kingdom for so long.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wouldnt really want to be electrocuted and killed either lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is inhumane that animals are slaughter without first stunning them, all in the name of Religion. I am surprised that Politicians and the RSPCA etc have allowed this to go on in the United Kingdom for so long."

The whole point of doing this is to drain the body of blood. So I dont see why they cant be electrocuted and then sliced so blood is drained. It still draining blood from animal but probably less stressful for them.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

The chief vet in England has asked for it to be looked at as how the animals are being slaughtered so I'm sure the RSPCA are aware...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How come that Halal meat is clearly labelled but other meats aren't. It's possible that a lot of animals are killed without first stunning them, but the procedure used to kill them not labelled on the packing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We watched this in county files, was shocked to learn that we could be consuming this meat un knowingly

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By *2clovinitCouple over a year ago

Grays

The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I feel like that about killing and eating animals ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't McDonald's use halal meat and I'd have thought the majority of kebabs are halal.

I haven't really given it much thought. It's just meat to me.

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By *histler21Man over a year ago

Ipswich

I thought the point is that the animal had to be able to 'hear' the religious messages being spoken - which they could not do if they were stunned.

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By *histler21Man over a year ago

Ipswich

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion "

Two, in fact...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion "

Yes we seem to kowtow to that certain Religion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We watched this in county files, was shocked to learn that we could be consuming this meat un knowingly

same as we were eating horse meat unknowingly..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I thought the point is that the animal had to be able to 'hear' the religious messages being spoken - which they could not do if they were stunned."

What a load of bollocks that is. How can Animals understand Religious chants.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

The more I'm reading the more I'm thinking to returning to being a vegetarian.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought the point is that the animal had to be able to 'hear' the religious messages being spoken - which they could not do if they were stunned."

I dont think the animal needs to hear it. It just has to be said before slaughter. Still, it could be said before electrocution and slaughter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would imagine veal and foie gras are more cruel than halal and that is still allowed. Are we tring to not upset the middle classes by not banning these ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

i'm sorry...how is this topic different to the stephen lawrence one that you felt had no place on here?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The more I'm reading the more I'm thinking to returning to being a vegetarian.....

I was vegetarian for over twenty years but one day while cooking my daughters breakfast I gave in and had some bacon. She is now veggie and scorns me for eating meat.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

i wonder how many on here gave a flying one about how their meat was killed before?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Simple solution is to become vegetarian if you not keen on meat slaughter. Even electrocution is hardly pleasent. There is no nice way to kill an animal.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"i wonder how many on here gave a flying one about how their meat was killed before?"

To be fair In the back if my mind I have...I was vegetarian for a number of years and got back into eating meat...I do try and understand where the meat has come from etc.....

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By *picyspiregirlCouple over a year ago

chesterfield

"I would imagine veal and foie gras are more cruel than halal and that is still allowed. Are we tring to not upset the middle classes by not banning these ? "

Veal crates are now illegal in this country. I believe the same is true for the traditional method of producing foie gras.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i wonder how many on here gave a flying one about how their meat was killed before?"

I get our meat from a local farmers market shop, all the produce is local and traceable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you are going to eat meat, and bearing in mind that the animals have most likely been bred solely to be slaughtered, I'm not sure how you can take the moral high ground on how animals should be killed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Simple solution is to become vegetarian if you not keen on meat slaughter. Even electrocution is hardly pleasent. There is no nice way to kill an animal. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you are going to eat meat, and bearing in mind that the animals have most likely been bred solely to be slaughtered, I'm not sure how you can take the moral high ground on how animals should be killed.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"i wonder how many on here gave a flying one about how their meat was killed before?

To be fair In the back if my mind I have...I was vegetarian for a number of years and got back into eating meat...I do try and understand where the meat has come from etc..... "

me too but some people seem to think that anything killed in a non halal/kosher way is sung to sleep by fairies singing lullabies playing buttercup harps or something.

like Ash said, any method of killing an animal is not nice. quite often animals killed in non halal/kosher ways take 2 or 3 attempts to kill it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You can't take the moral high ground per se but you have the right to want the animals to be farmed & slaughtered as humanly as possible, treated as a sentient being....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

Yes we seem to kowtow to that certain Religion."

Which religion ? You mentioned two in your opening post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i wonder how many on here gave a flying one about how their meat was killed before?"

Of course, it's all the fault of "that religion".

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By *rsK69Woman over a year ago

Neath

You can't take the moral high ground per se but you have the right to want the animals to be farmed & slaughtered as humanly as possible, treated as a sentient being...."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

Yes we seem to kowtow to that certain Religion.

Which religion ? You mentioned two in your opening post. "

You know, "that religion".

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By *traightplayCouple over a year ago

Nottingham

Without saying that if you are worried about the animals being slaughtered in a halal way then give thoughts to the poor fish as we enjoy a traditional fish and chips because they suffocate to death however we have stopped debating about it and we still enjoy eating meat irrespective. The issues these days are that people view animals pets thus views are changing.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

You can't take the moral high ground per se but you have the right to want the animals to be farmed & slaughtered as humanly as possible, treated as a sentient being...."

Of course you do, death should be a swift as possible and the animal should be stressed as little as possible beforehand.

Which is why I am uncomfortable with non-pre stun religious slaughter, but have no problem with death.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

Yes we seem to kowtow to that certain Religion.

Which religion ? You mentioned two in your opening post.

You know, "that religion". "

Lol. That one where everything is done as cruelly as possible, be it treatment of women or animals, and everyday must be a painful chore.

No wonder that religion gets jealous of the wests free love and Xbox

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As usual this country built on blood and guts bends over and takes the full length of militancy up its arse. Dry.

If people want halal, feel free to move somewhere where cruelty is enjoyed wholesale.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"As usual this country built on blood and guts bends over and takes the full length of militancy up its arse. Dry.

If people want halal, feel free to move somewhere where cruelty is enjoyed wholesale.

Most Halal is pre-stun. It's Kosher that can't be stunned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As usual this country built on blood and guts bends over and takes the full length of militancy up its arse. Dry.

If people want halal, feel free to move somewhere where cruelty is enjoyed wholesale.

South London ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As usual this country built on blood and guts bends over and takes the full length of militancy up its arse. Dry.

If people want halal, feel free to move somewhere where cruelty is enjoyed wholesale.

South London ?"

That's twice your dry wit has amused me this evening

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

that religion? ??,wouldn't be Satanism would it, I mean there allways slaughtering goats without stunning them

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By *quirrelMan over a year ago

East Manchester

Clegg has already stated that a total ban on the practice of killing the animal without stunning them first similar to the ones imposedin parts of Europe will never happen here.

The liberal party believes that religious freedom should be given precedence over a the welfare of animal's.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder how many using this to bash religion have any idea how animals are slaughtered?

Smells of racism much more than any concern for animal welfare.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well ideally painlessly. Partly for decency and second for taste stress causes the meet to be tougher.

For instance say your pet was in great pain and terminal would you want it humanly put down by a vet or just give some bricks to the local chaos and let them have a go

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder how many using this to bash religion have any idea how animals are slaughtered?

Smells of racism much more than any concern for animal welfare.

What on earth does religion bashing have to do with race

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I wonder how many using this to bash religion have any idea how animals are slaughtered?

Smells of racism much more than any concern for animal welfare.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

Agreed...but the op isn't really bothered about humane slaughter of animals or kosher preparation though are they?!!

I'd wager, and I could be wrong (sniggers, yeah...right) but I think this is an (unsubtle) dig at Muslims and to encourage negativity from those who share their views.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

16% of halal meat is killed without first being stunned as a percentage of what makes it's way into the wider meat supply chain I imagine that compared to sheep that are inhumanely transported thereby suffering for much longer, hens that are kept caged, pigs that are penned in tiny spaces is much larger.

Outrage at cruelty to animals is understandable just as long as you understand where the outrage needs to be directed and have a sense of proportion.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Agreed...but the op isn't really bothered about humane slaughter of animals or kosher preparation though are they?!!

I'd wager, and I could be wrong (sniggers, yeah...right) but I think this is an (unsubtle) dig at Muslims and to encourage negativity from those who share their views.

Your cynicism at the motives behind this post so obviously concerned with animal welfare that it quoted no statistics and completely missed other points in the fairly balanced presentation on television amazed me....how could you doubt?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Animals should be stunned for 3 seconds so they don't feel pain when cut.

To cut there throat without stunning is cruel & very painful a scary for them!

if it wasn't other abattoirs wouldn't bother wasting money oh sorry I forgot they have to because the mhs say it's the law if it's not done religiously

I think it should be banned

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The Race card again. Can we not have a conversation in this country without someone shouting "Racism"

Agreed...but the op isn't really bothered about humane slaughter of animals or kosher preparation though are they?!!

I'd wager, and I could be wrong (sniggers, yeah...right) but I think this is an (unsubtle) dig at Muslims and to encourage negativity from those who share their views.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Animals should be stunned for 3 seconds so they don't feel pain when cut.

To cut there throat without stunning is cruel & very painful a scary for them!

if it wasn't other abattoirs wouldn't bother wasting money oh sorry I forgot they have to because the mhs say it's the law if it's not done religiously

I think it should be banned "

I'm not advocating slaughter without stunning but is the stunning process itself painfree? I also think we should be looking at the animals entirely life not the final thirty seconds.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I wonder how many using this to bash religion have any idea how animals are slaughtered?

....

And how many people use religion to slaughter or abuse others, including children?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Animals should be stunned for 3 seconds so they don't feel pain when cut.

To cut there throat without stunning is cruel & very painful a scary for them!

if it wasn't other abattoirs wouldn't bother wasting money oh sorry I forgot they have to because the mhs say it's the law if it's not done religiously

I think it should be banned

I'm not advocating slaughter without stunning but is the stunning process itself painfree? I also think we should be looking at the animals entirely life not the final thirty seconds."

According to vets it doesn't hurt but I wouldn't want to put the tongs on my head to find out.

I also think there welfare though out life is important & there death should be as painless as possible.

That's just my opinion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion "

Spot on that is the crux of the problem.

Halal meat whether you agree with it or not was introduced into school system quite few years ago without folk being informed.

Imagine if this was reversed there would be outcry from muslims it may be uncomfortable reading but we all know its true.

But folk only have themselves to blame by not challenging the decision makers.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

Spot on that is the crux of the problem.

Halal meat whether you agree with it or not was introduced into school system quite few years ago without folk being informed.

Imagine if this was reversed there would be outcry from muslims it may be uncomfortable reading but we all know its true.

But folk only have themselves to blame by not challenging the decision makers."

It is "odd" (yeah, right) that the focus continued to be Halal when the vast majority of it is pre-stun whereas Kosher can never be re-stun.

For those who don't know - the only difference between pre-stun Halal meat and non-religious meat is the prayer. "Conventially" sheep are stunned and then bled.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is there a reason why non muslims can't eat halal meat?

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"Is there a reason why non muslims can't eat halal meat?"

Shouldn't have thought so. I know I have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i wonder how many on here gave a flying one about how their meat was killed before?"

Or after!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not advocating slaughter without stunning but is the stunning process itself painfree? I also think we should be looking at the animals entirely life not the final thirty seconds."

Electrocution is agonising itself even if just for a split second. We need to be more concerned about the welfare of the animal during its lifetime than the last five seconds of its life. Either that or become veggie.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple over a year ago

notts

I thought the point is that the animal had to be able to 'hear' the religious messages being spoken - which they could not do if they were stunned."

i think if i was hung upside down with my throat cut and my lifes blood draining out, i would not be interested in hearing messages religious or otherwise at that moment in time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i think if i was hung upside down with my throat cut and my lifes blood draining out, i would not be interested in hearing messages religious or otherwise at that moment in time

That would depend on what the religious message may be, and which direction it came from

Small bit of research on the web, there are no abattoirs in the UK that do not stun the animals prior to slaughter, this has led to Jewish and Muslim concerns about the quality of UK slaughtered Halal / Kosher meat products, however the various provisioner's have given assurances that although stunned the animal is still alive and therefore fits the criteria.

For extra assurance buy organic only, as part of the organic certification process specifies that the animal must be stunned prior to slaughter.

All of this of course only applies to mammals, we are for some reason much less concerned about birds and fish.

Now can we all just get along without ostracising anyone on basis of faith creed or colour?

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

well lots of people watched country file last night .

Half a story again by the bbc .

Did you know that potatoes emit an electrical discharge when cut in half . And scientist are looking to see if its actually a pain they feel . So maybe we should ban the slaughter of spuds as well .

Meat will always be emotive . But when your on holiday this year in a foreign county and having you kebab did they slaughter that animal will stunned ????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i think if i was hung upside down with my throat cut and my lifes blood draining out, i would not be interested in hearing messages religious or otherwise at that moment in time

That would depend on what the religious message may be, and which direction it came from

For extra assurance buy organic only, as part of the organic certification process specifies that the animal must be stunned prior to slaughter.

All of this of course only applies to mammals, we are for some reason much less concerned about birds and fish.

Now can we all just get along without ostracising anyone on basis of faith creed or colour?"

But where's the fun in that ? Now the meat question has been cleared up can't we move on to another half truth or myth or misread story and have another bash at that religion.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan over a year ago

plymouth

Poorly disguised racism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Poorly disguised racism."

I hadn't realised it was disguised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without trying to lower the tone. Did you ever speak to the animals? Did they say they were in pain whilst it was being done? How do you know?

...for me, stunning is more inhumane. I've seen it being done. Have you seen the conditions the animals have to be in when stunned? They can't move, they can't run after or anything. Are you aware of the amount of times when an animal has been stunned and not died from it?

And are you telling me, it's more humane to give the animal twice the hardship? First stun it. Then kill it? Why not do it all at once.

Once you cut the jugular vein. It doesn't feel anything. That's the main vein. Once that is cut, all the senses are gone apart from the few moments after where the animal may try to jump or just lie down.

..and c'mon. Why do people (not you OP) make such trivial matters in to such a big deal. Especially that top vet. What's his agenda? It's always one after the other. Let's not forget about those that go hunting. Shooting, hunting with dogs for their meat. Is that humane? It's not always instant death like it would be with Halal or Kosher meat.

Let's not forget the lobster either. The poor soul has to be boiled alive to be eaten. Is that humane?

So, let's take a step back. Pull our socks up and put our thinking caps on.

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By *anny PepperoniMan over a year ago

Matlock

"Without trying to lower the tone. Did you ever speak to the animals? Did they say they were in pain whilst it was being done? How do you know?

And are you telling me, it's more humane to give the animal twice the hardship? First stun it. Then kill it? Why not do it all at once.

Let's not forget the lobster either. The poor soul has to be boiled alive to be eaten. Is that humane?

So, let's take a step back. Pull our socks up and put our thinking caps on.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Simple solution is to become vegetarian if you not keen on meat slaughter. Even electrocution is hardly pleasent. There is no nice way to kill an animal. "

Exactly, there is no 'human' way to kill anything!

If you eat meat (which I do) then you have to accept than an animal has suffered.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

Spot on that is the crux of the problem.

Halal meat whether you agree with it or not was introduced into school system quite few years ago without folk being informed.

Imagine if this was reversed there would be outcry from muslims it may be uncomfortable reading but we all know its true.

But folk only have themselves to blame by not challenging the decision makers."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi I never use the forums but occasionally have a look. Now I am quite anti Islamic for personal reasons. I am not a racist i hasten to add and have many friends from Islamic backgrounds who know my views. However the point of halal as well as the religious side of it, is that no animal sees another being slaughtered. Each killing is done individually as not too stress the next in line. Most normal slaughters are singed but an alarming amount are conscious by the time the Killing occurs. For this reason I am in support of halal as all the prayer stiff is just nonsense anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

Spot on that is the crux of the problem.

Halal meat whether you agree with it or not was introduced into school system quite few years ago without folk being informed.

Not every school serves halal meat, the schools that have introduced it first sent out letters to parents and then there was consultation with parents.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought the point is that the animal had to be able to 'hear' the religious messages being spoken - which they could not do if they were stunned.

What a load of bollocks that is. How can Animals understand Religious chants."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As usual this country built on blood and guts bends over and takes the full length of militancy up its arse. Dry.

If people want halal, feel free to move somewhere where cruelty is enjoyed wholesale.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

"Hi I never use the forums but occasionally have a look. Now I am quite anti Islamic for personal reasons. I am not a racist i hasten to add and have many friends from Islamic backgrounds who know my views. However the point of halal as well as the religious side of it, is that no animal sees another being slaughtered. Each killing is done individually as not too stress the next in line. Most normal slaughters are singed but an alarming amount are conscious by the time the Killing occurs. For this reason I am in support of halal as all the prayer stiff is just nonsense anyway. "
, sorry to correct you but halla meat in a modern abattoir is killed on a chain like any other animal . Saying a prayer does not make it taste any sweeter .

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

oh jut to stir the pot up a little , do they not do a chant just as they slice or kill people from other religions too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"that religion? ??,wouldn't be Satanism would it, I mean there allways slaughtering goats without stunning them "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well ideally painlessly. Partly for decency and second for taste stress causes the meet to be tougher.

For instance say your pet was in great pain and terminal would you want it humanly put down by a vet or just give some bricks to the local chaos and let them have a go"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Without trying to lower the tone. Did you ever speak to the animals? Did they say they were in pain whilst it was being done? How do you know?

And are you telling me, it's more humane to give the animal twice the hardship? First stun it. Then kill it? Why not do it all at once.

Let's not forget the lobster either. The poor soul has to be boiled alive to be eaten. Is that humane?

So, let's take a step back. Pull our socks up and put our thinking caps on.

Boiling lobsters isn't humane either & also should be banned in my opinion but the ? Is about sheep & cattle.

I've seen both ways done working in a abattoir & I feel you can visually see the pain when not stunned + you can hear the distress too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"oh jut to stir the pot up a little , do they not do a chant just as they slice or kill people from other religions too "

That's not really "stirring the pot" is it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is always consequences for eating meat I wouldn't think its not pleasant for them no matter how they are killed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Simple solution is to become vegetarian if you not keen on meat slaughter. Even electrocution is hardly pleasent. There is no nice way to kill an animal.

Exactly, there is no 'human' way to kill anything!

If you eat meat (which I do) then you have to accept than an animal has suffered."

Obviously that should have read 'humane' not 'human'.

I can't be bothered to go through the entire thread so I'm not sure whether foie gras, veal and the boiling of lobsters has been mentioned, and I will re iterate that killing is killing, there isn't a painless way to do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also, so what if the meat is kosher or halal? It's not like it's going to change the way it tastes now is it?

...and seeing as we're so concerned about animal cruelty (hopefully on a more international level). Have you heard about the new types of brothels opening in Denmark? What about all the leather and fur coats that we purchase? What about the poaching in Asia and Africa?

Animal cruely isn't just restricted to halal or kosher meat. If you really are concerned about cruelty to animals then you'd be concerned about all the other forms of cruelty too.

(Just as a side note - i know i'm going off on a tangent)

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

"Is there a reason why non muslims can't eat halal meat?"
?? I eat it! Love goat curry! And cook it often

( as do many )

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

"oh jut to stir the pot up a little , do they not do a chant just as they slice or kill people from other religions too

That's not really "stirring the pot" is it

"
"They" oh my , here we go

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bring back fox hunting! After all, what bloody difference does it make?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring back fox hunting! After all, what bloody difference does it make?"

I'd say the difference is they don't eat the fox.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring back fox hunting! After all, what bloody difference does it make?

I'd say the difference is they don't eat the fox."

Fox meat's ok with plenty of onions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is there a reason why non muslims can't eat halal meat? ?? I eat it! Love goat curry! And cook it often

( as do many ) "

...i do love a goat. You going to make me some one day please?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Not interested in the argument on religious grounds (if you blindly follow invisible men because you cant think independently that's your business) but that last statement isn't true. Drive down the coventry road in Brum and there are signs in a lot of the halal butchers windows saying 'we sell non-stunned halal meat'

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By *orthyorkypairCouple over a year ago

North Yorkshire

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

Yes we seem to kowtow to that certain Religion."

errrrrrr kosher isnt "that" religion!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

"Is there a reason why non muslims can't eat halal meat? ?? I eat it! Love goat curry! And cook it often

( as do many )

...i do love a goat. You going to make me some one day please?

"
all this talk of goat making me want it now... With rice n peas and plantains .. Delish!

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

According to a snapshot survey of abattoir activity from the FSA about half of all sheep passing through our abattoirs are stunned and then killed in the standard way. The other half will be slaughtered according to Halal rules and the majority will be stunned first. But around 10% of the entire total will be slaughtered without stunning.

There is a governing body which wants to make the labelling on meat clearer re the stunning process so all consumers can make an informed choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

And some people use religious zeal as an excuse for animal and human cruelty. It's not a perfect world.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

Would that be the same religion that's wants to ban my right to free speech , treat woman as the lower class . Does not allow freedom of expression , then hell yes bring it on . Wont mention the donkey chasing in afgan at night .

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Bring back fox hunting! After all, what bloody difference does it make?"

Fox hunting is ripping and animal to shreds where the animal suffers agonising death.

Slaughtering a non stunned animal, whilst not painless is a lot quicker than beagles tearing lumps out of an animal.

There's your difference.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

I would love to know what section of the Quran that's found in.

crystal

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"oh jut to stir the pot up a little , do they not do a chant just as they slice or kill people from other religions too "

Do you know why they chant when killing any living thing?

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By *ustmaybeMan over a year ago

Northwood

Please don't base assumptions of a whole section of the population on what you read in certain papers or on a tiny minority of nutters who don't represent the vast majority of British Muslims.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

I would love to know what section of the Quran that's found in.

crystal "

I doubt very much if you've read all the authorised interpretations of the Qur'an.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

I would love to know what section of the Quran that's found in.

crystal

I doubt very much if you've read all the authorised interpretations of the Qur'an.

I was hoping someone would kindly point me in the right direction as I would hate to make judgements about a religion I do not follow based upon hearsay from people who haven't read the religious text themselves and from sensationalist tabloids that way, I could attempt to find out for myself and make my own mind up.

crystal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

I would love to know what section of the Quran that's found in.

crystal

I doubt very much if you've read all the authorised interpretations of the Qur'an.

crystal"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The knowledge is out there.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

I would love to know what section of the Quran that's found in.

crystal "

Yes you have it in ONE . so why do they quote the Quran so much when driving buses and packing little kiddies with suicide vest on Or maybe there are two versions of this book

My question his how letting a animal suffer makes the meat taste any better

Or maybe it is a conspiracy theory used by the worlds media when showing the videos they allegedly post them self's doing those alleged dead's .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

im all for giving the animals we eat as quick and humane death as possible

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

I would love to know what section of the Quran that's found in.

crystal

Yes you have it in ONE . so why do they quote the Quran so much when driving buses and packing little kiddies with suicide vest on Or maybe there are two versions of this book

My question his how letting a animal suffer makes the meat taste any better

Or maybe it is a conspiracy theory used by the worlds media when showing the videos they allegedly post them self's doing those alleged dead's . "

I refer yoi to my earlier post about this being nothing to do with animal welfare and everything to do with prejudice.

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By *anny PepperoniMan over a year ago

Matlock

"The knowledge is out there."

It's certainly not in here!

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By *innamon!Woman over a year ago

no matter

"We watched this in county files, was shocked to learn that we could be consuming this meat un knowingly

same as we were eating horse meat unknowingly.."

My daughter ate horse meat in switzerland last week she said it was very tasty .

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"I may be wrong on this point but I have heard that meat on sale in Tescos. Saisburys and such like is all halal killed

To be fair halal meat is stunned then killed in the same way as normal but it gets blessed by a Muslim so doesn't make any difference really

I don't understand why halal is being brought in to question ?

It is other religious slaughter that doesn't stun the animal first

Let's face it several posts make it clear why religion is mentioned. People use animal welfare to mask prejudice.

I would love to know what section of the Quran that's found in.

crystal

Yes you have it in ONE . so why do they quote the Quran so much when driving buses and packing little kiddies with suicide vest on Or maybe there are two versions of this book

My question his how letting a animal suffer makes the meat taste any better

Or maybe it is a conspiracy theory used by the worlds media when showing the videos they allegedly post them self's doing those alleged dead's .

I refer yoi to my earlier post about this being nothing to do with animal welfare and everything to do with prejudice.

Exactly, seems more people care about how animals dies than live

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By *anny PepperoniMan over a year ago

Matlock

"We watched this in county files, was shocked to learn that we could be consuming this meat un knowingly

same as we were eating horse meat unknowingly..

My daughter ate horse meat in switzerland last week she said it was very tasty ."

It is tasty but the point is a valid one about knowledge and trust in the supplier. If they put meat B in a product supposedly containing meat A and don't tell you then what else are they prepared to do?

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

It should come as no surprise that the noted animal rights supporters English Defence League are vociferously opposed to the methods of slaughter used to produce Halal meat.

They seem curiously unconcerned about Kosher, on the other hand.

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By *ung hiMan over a year ago

Northwest

They just use and abuse Muslims?

Why?

Everyone use the label Muslim

You get bad apple in every bag.

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I watched a programme once about how they (many high volume breeders) treat baby pigs. They snip off their tails and snap off their teeth... no anaesthetic, nothing! Just some guy with a pair of pliers and tin snips. They say it is for the pigs benefit to stop them harming each other when raise in pens... though the pigs are often screaming in pain.

It put me right off eating pork products... until breakfast.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It put me right off eating pork products... until breakfast."

Pretty hard to find kosher pork though isn't it

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By *ctaviusStuntMan over a year ago

plymouth

I find it mind boggling that these sort of posts are allowed on here when the moderators are so flippin intolerant and unreasonable about posts and threads that wouldnt offend anyone.

Do the mods share these views and thats why they are allowed ?

Expecting a time out for that which would be par for the course and of course answer my question. Its one reason why i stopped paying the site.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok. I have had a few chickens and a goat slaughtered by a shochet in front of me. Has anyone ever seen a shochet's knife? It is thin like paper. The animal's death is instant.

It tasted good, too. Yum!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pretty hard to find kosher pork though isn't it

Hear, hear!

))))

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Slaughterhouse chickens are hung, alive, by their feet on a conveyor. They go down the line where a machine is supposed to quickly and cleanly cut off their heads. Then the carcase is plunged into boiling water to loosen the feathers prior to plucking.

Unfortunately, the chickens do not always co-operate with this machinery, being living creatures who feel fear, rather than machines themselves. So they flap about and, often, the machine which is supposed to snip off their heads does not do so, or only partially. Which means that they are plunged into the boiling water afterwards whilst still alive.

This is, apparently, a clean and humane method of slaughter.

Enjoy your Sunday roast. And stop using this topic as an excuse to air your bigotry.

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By *hmed7894Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I wonder how many using this to bash religion have any idea how animals are slaughtered?

Smells of racism much more than any concern for animal welfare.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That wouldn't stop me eating chicken.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Until one of the bleeding heart 'animal lovers' nips out and slaughters their own meat, I won't take their opinions seriously about how others choose to prepare their own meat, religiously or otherwise.

And for those of you who have 'read' the Q'uran, really? Have you really? Every chapter? Or did you read selected snippets taken out of context and posted on a certain slightly politically motivated website?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ladies, I love you!!!

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"That wouldn't stop me eating chicken."

Just had some fer me tea!

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Slaughterhouse chickens are hung, alive, by their feet on a conveyor. They go down the line where a machine is supposed to quickly and cleanly cut off their heads. Then the carcase is plunged into boiling water to loosen the feathers prior to plucking.

This is, apparently, a clean and humane method of slaughter.

Enjoy your Sunday roast. And stop using this topic as an excuse to air your bigotry."

and then we can get on the subject of how milk gets to your breakfast table.

And the cruelty involved

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That wouldn't stop me eating chicken.

Just had some fer me tea!"

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"I watched a programme once about how they (many high volume breeders) treat baby pigs. They snip off their tails and snap off their teeth... no anaesthetic, nothing! Just some guy with a pair of pliers and tin snips. They say it is for the pigs benefit to stop them harming each other when raise in pens... though the pigs are often screaming in pain.

It put me right off eating pork products... until breakfast."

To be fair, piglets make a fuss about just about everything. Try just picking one up. They squeal at the top of their voices and you haven't actually done anything to them.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Until one of the bleeding heart 'animal lovers' nips out and slaughters their own meat, I won't take their opinions seriously about how others choose to prepare their own meat, religiously or otherwise.

I own two copies - my ex was Muslim - and even I haven't read all of it. I haven't read the whole bible either (I have two of those also), nor the Jewish Holy Scriptures (1 copy only of that). So I highly doubt there are many on here who have.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

This is, apparently, a clean and humane method of slaughter.

Enjoy your Sunday roast. And stop using this topic as an excuse to air your bigotry.

and then we can get on the subject of how milk gets to your breakfast table.

And the cruelty involved"

Or the fact that fish have pain receptors so being hooked does make them suffer.

Pass me the smoked salmon.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Exactly. Unless you are seriously religious yourself you won't read the entire book (I mean, the Bhagavad Gita is HUGE), but you'll have heard from a man down the pub whose mate told him that Islam says this and that and the other and take it as gospel (pun intended), because all Muslims are evil and have no culture at all.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Many Muslims are hard put to instantly quote from the Qu'ran even if they have been to Islamic school where they learn to read it in it's original ancient Arabic form. But then I know no Christians who have read the entire Bible and can quote extensively from it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought we worked out a long time ago in this thread that halal meet is stunned first? So whats the issue with muslims now lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it mind boggling that these sort of posts are allowed on here when the moderators are so flippin intolerant and unreasonable about posts and threads that wouldnt offend anyone.

Do the mods share these views and thats why they are allowed ?

Expecting a time out for that which would be par for the course and of course answer my question. Its one reason why i stopped paying the site."

What's wrong with this thread? I don't agree with some of the views but it's certainly a good discussion. Unlike most on this sort of topic, while it's got heated it hasn't descended in to name calling and abuse and unless I've missed anything has not needed moderating.

I think that's a good thing threads like this exist and fail to see why a thread should be pulled just for being a potentially controversial topic.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I thought we worked out a long time ago in this thread that halal meet is stunned first? So whats the issue with muslims now lol "

It's another reason not to like them - apparently.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Glad I read this thread now few more trolls to avoid.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan over a year ago

plymouth

"I find it mind boggling that these sort of posts are allowed on here when the moderators are so flippin intolerant and unreasonable about posts and threads that wouldnt offend anyone.

Do the mods share these views and thats why they are allowed ?

Expecting a time out for that which would be par for the course and of course answer my question. Its one reason why i stopped paying the site.

I think that's a good thing threads like this exist and fail to see why a thread should be pulled just for being a potentially controversial topic.

In my opinion this is just another one of those threads on here where someone who is ill and wrongly informed usually uses a topic to have a pop at some group they dont like in a serapticious manner. The OP has posted many topics in that vein. I said i find it surprising that bigoted threads are allowed when many interesting threads are pulled and bans inflicted on subjects that are not offensive to anyone. i already said that didnt i ?

Actually i dont have a problem with the thread i do have a problem with the original post and people who constantly use these forums to propagate their racist agendas in some sort of daily fail way. Oh yeah and its feckin boring.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most people who practice any religion haven't read their book properly, they allow another human in the form of their church/mosque/temple/synagogue leader to interpret for them during prayer sessions/bible classes etc. This is the main problem with organised religion, it's not the word of God, it's some blokes/womans interpretation of the supposed word of God (which he handily has written in a book for all main religions) And even if you do read it yourself, you may interpret it very differently from the next person, lets face it, they're pretty opaque in places these religious texts.

One of my friends a very deeply religious Muslim understands very little of the Q'ran as she doesn't speak Arabic and has been told at her mosque that to properly understand it you need to read in Arabic so she takes her interpretation from her Imam. And the majority of Muslims probably don't speak Arabic, it's notoriously difficult to grasp.

Likewise some Christian groups use Bibles in a language virtually none of it's followers can understand.

Seems utterly crazy to me but if that complete lack of understanding of the reasons you live your life as you do still leaves you contented, who am I to argue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I thought we worked out a long time ago in this thread that halal meet is stunned first? So whats the issue with muslims now lol "

as i mentioned earlier a small percentage is not stunned. However clearer food labelling regarding this will then give all consumers the correct information ~ those who prefer the meat stunned and those that don't can make an informed choice.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Likewise some Christian groups use Bibles in a language virtually none of it's followers can understand.

Seems utterly crazy to me but if that complete lack of understanding of the reasons you live your life as you do still leaves you contented, who am I to argue."

I agree that many religious texts are notoriously difficult to grasp. My ex spoke fluent Arabic but even he said the Qu'ran was hard to read as the form of Arabic was so old. He had, however, read it in its entirety.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it mind boggling that these sort of posts are allowed on here when the moderators are so flippin intolerant and unreasonable about posts and threads that wouldnt offend anyone.

Do the mods share these views and thats why they are allowed ?

Expecting a time out for that which would be par for the course and of course answer my question. Its one reason why i stopped paying the site.

I think that's a good thing threads like this exist and fail to see why a thread should be pulled just for being a potentially controversial topic.

Surely the best way to challenge bigoted views is by debate rather than censorship?

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By *ctaviusStuntMan over a year ago

plymouth

"I find it mind boggling that these sort of posts are allowed on here when the moderators are so flippin intolerant and unreasonable about posts and threads that wouldnt offend anyone.

Do the mods share these views and thats why they are allowed ?

Expecting a time out for that which would be par for the course and of course answer my question. Its one reason why i stopped paying the site.

I think that's a good thing threads like this exist and fail to see why a thread should be pulled just for being a potentially controversial topic.

Surely the best way to challenge bigoted views is by debate rather than censorship?"
nope today i am mostly facist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Poorly disguised racism."

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

"It put me right off eating pork products... until breakfast.

Pretty hard to find kosher pork though isn't it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring."

And? If they are not a race it now becomes OK to tell them their way of life is wrong? Well, surely they will have enough to say about yours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Poorly disguised racism.

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring."

Just good old fashioned bigotry then.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

"I find it mind boggling that these sort of posts are allowed on here when the moderators are so flippin intolerant and unreasonable about posts and threads that wouldnt offend anyone.

Do the mods share these views and thats why they are allowed ?

Expecting a time out for that which would be par for the course and of course answer my question. Its one reason why i stopped paying the site.

I think that's a good thing threads like this exist and fail to see why a thread should be pulled just for being a potentially controversial topic.

But alas in a free and democratic society ,we have the right to the freedom of expression , and free speech So in regards to degradation of race I will and will always support a society that allows me that choice .And I will never support a society that wants to take away that choice or wishes to impose its law on the innocent .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Muslims you mean? Yeah go on say it, thats the bloody problem in this country nobody dare say anything. Its said that the animal needs to hear the prayer that is said before the muslims and jews kill the animal!! Ffs

What utter bollox.

Its cruel and inhumane all in the name of a so called religion.

I could go on but l think l may have offended the muslims and jews.its ok though its a county of free speech isnt it? They do it in this country because they are allowed to!! Will it be banned?

Lol no of course not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Muslims you mean? Yeah go on say it, thats the bloody problem in this country nobody dare say anything. Its said that the animal needs to hear the prayer that is said before the muslims and jews kill the animal!! Ffs

What utter bollox.

Its cruel and inhumane all in the name of a so called religion.

I could go on but l think l may have offended the muslims and jews.its ok though its a county of free speech isnt it? They do it in this country because they are allowed to!! Will it be banned?

Lol no of course not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's organise a Fab trip. An outing for all of us on this thread to go and actually see this happening. See, what really happens..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No one is taking the moral high ground are they?

And no l dont eat meat before you say anything.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan over a year ago

plymouth

"I find it mind boggling that these sort of posts are allowed on here when the moderators are so flippin intolerant and unreasonable about posts and threads that wouldnt offend anyone.

Do the mods share these views and thats why they are allowed ?

Expecting a time out for that which would be par for the course and of course answer my question. Its one reason why i stopped paying the site.

I think that's a good thing threads like this exist and fail to see why a thread should be pulled just for being a potentially controversial topic.

haha free and democratic get real. you arent free and you dont live in a democracy. As for rights where exactly do you get those rights ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's organise a Fab trip. An outing for all of us on this thread to go and actually see this happening. See, what really happens..

But if people see what's actually happening they won't have anything to be outraged about.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are here!

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

"Let's organise a Fab trip. An outing for all of us on this thread to go and actually see this happening. See, what really happens..

But if people see what's actually happening they won't have anything to be outraged about. "
oh sure there would be something eles! Havnt been a political thread for a while! Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion "

i know which religion your talking about, the one that does "kosher meat"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No one is taking the moral high ground are they?

And no l dont eat meat before you say anything.

I eat meat.

Crass I know, but I couldn't resist.

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

"Let's organise a Fab trip. An outing for all of us on this thread to go and actually see this happening. See, what really happens..

no meat sarnies tho for the packed lunches!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's organise a Fab trip. An outing for all of us on this thread to go and actually see this happening. See, what really happens..

no meat sarnies tho for the packed lunches!

What about ethically netted tuna ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring.

And? If they are not a race it now becomes OK to tell them their way of life is wrong? Well, surely they will have enough to say about yours."

I don't give a crap about what people who believe in imaginary beings think about my way of life. Religions, and their supporters, have caused more pain to humanity than anything or anyone else.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, so I am therefore eggist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring.

And? If they are not a race it now becomes OK to tell them their way of life is wrong? Well, surely they will have enough to say about yours.

I don't give a crap about what people who believe in imaginary beings think about my way of life. Religions, and their supporters, have caused more pain to humanity than anything or anyone else.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, so I am therefore eggist."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring.

And? If they are not a race it now becomes OK to tell them their way of life is wrong? Well, surely they will have enough to say about yours.

I don't give a crap about what people who believe in imaginary beings think about my way of life. Religions, and their supporters, have caused more pain to humanity than anything or anyone else.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, so I am therefore eggist."

This is not about belief. This is about living the way people choose / are used to / etc. Believe me, I do not give a Damon about anyone's beliefs because what you believe in is your personal matter, but in a democratic society not only atheists have freedom of speech.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No one is taking the moral high ground are they?

And no l dont eat meat before you say anything.

I eat meat.

Crass I know, but I couldn't resist."

I eat meat, fish, eggs, honey and even foie gras; I wear fur and leather.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring.

And? If they are not a race it now becomes OK to tell them their way of life is wrong? Well, surely they will have enough to say about yours.

I don't give a crap about what people who believe in imaginary beings think about my way of life. Religions, and their supporters, have caused more pain to humanity than anything or anyone else.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, so I am therefore eggist.

Freedom of action, which is what this thread is about, is a very different kettle of ethically sourced fish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is no one wants to upset a certain religion

i know which religion your talking about, the one that does "kosher meat""

It had to get to this, didn't it? Wait, they will get to you, too.

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

What about the eels!

It's totally inhumane how they are killed.... the fucking cockney bastards!

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By *bony in IvoryCouple over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

"Let's organise a Fab trip. An outing for all of us on this thread to go and actually see this happening. See, what really happens..

no meat sarnies tho for the packed lunches!

What about ethically netted tuna ?"
urm ok but no mayo unless made with free range eggs!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sigh. Muslim is not a race. Jewish is not a race. Jews and Muslims come from many different races. Trendyism is so boring.

And? If they are not a race it now becomes OK to tell them their way of life is wrong? Well, surely they will have enough to say about yours.

I don't give a crap about what people who believe in imaginary beings think about my way of life. Religions, and their supporters, have caused more pain to humanity than anything or anyone else.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, so I am therefore eggist.

You don't................believe..........in the........Easter Bunny???

Have you not read the Cadbury's Caramel Bunny Bible

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