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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now" No they don't | |||
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"Did they actually abuse you or just make you aware of their presence? Bells are utterly pointless as they get drowned out even by talking. I usually say "excuse me please" or "cyclist on your right/left" and people on occasion take exception to that..." no they made no sound or said anything, the first we were aware on one occasion was when my wife nearly got knocked over. Like i said this is not a dig at considerate cyclists. But when you are cycling on a trail on a sunny day that is full of families and dogs then you have to make people aware of your presence long before you reach them | |||
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"Did they actually abuse you or just make you aware of their presence? Bells are utterly pointless as they get drowned out even by talking. I usually say "excuse me please" or "cyclist on your right/left" and people on occasion take exception to that...no they made no sound or said anything, the first we were aware on one occasion was when my wife nearly got knocked over. Like i said this is not a dig at considerate cyclists. But when you are cycling on a trail on a sunny day that is full of families and dogs then you have to make people aware of your presence long before you reach them" Sorry im confused. Your first first post clearly refered to receiving abuse? But now they were silent? | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children" I can't keep up with this, now they've gone from silent to swearing... | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children" So you would assault someone in front of your children for swearing? | |||
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"Bells are utterly pointless as they get drowned out even by talking" not so ..... millions of dutch are not wrong... they all have bells and they all use them effictively ..... pedestrians are the most vulnerable group when it comes to modes of transport .... their safety must be respected by all wheeled vehicle users at all times ..... end of | |||
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" No one uses the c word in front of my children" Cyclist ? | |||
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"Bells are utterly pointless as they get drowned out even by talking not so ..... millions of dutch are not wrong... they all have bells and they all use them effictively ..... pedestrians are the most vulnerable group when it comes to modes of transport .... their safety must be respected by all wheeled vehicle users at all times ..... end of" thank you someone who talks sense | |||
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" No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclist ?" if only it had been that | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. " OP no need to clarify as your posts were clear what you meant to start off with sadly some people always feel the need to be pedantic  | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. " Do you batter people often? | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. " As you were walking on a cycle route did you not think to keep am eye out for cyclists? Like sexybrain I too walk on shared routes without conflict so I'm at a slight loss as to why you attracted so much animosity | |||
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"I've walked on the cuckoo trail near Hailsham and it's not very wide - used to be a railway. The cyclists can go very fast and don't always let people know they are there until they are very close. Ive also cycled along and a guy let his dog run almost under my bike causing me to swerve away. "also had that happen on numerous occasions too  | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now" Likewise, Morris Dancers at Stratford Upon Avon have bells - BY LAW!!!  | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. As you were walking on a cycle route did you not think to keep am eye out for cyclists? Like sexybrain I too walk on shared routes without conflict so I'm at a slight loss as to why you attracted so much animosity" It is the cyclist duty to give way on sustrans routes, it says so on the signs giving the rules, so any accident is the cyclists fault. They are not just cycle routes they are shared. As the regulations state. When you factor in distance traveled, almost as many pedestrians are injured by cyclists as motorists. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/article3986796.ece | |||
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"As you were walking on a cycle route did you not think to keep am eye out for cyclists?" it is not the pedestrians responsibility to "keep an eye out for cyclist or for that matter move out of their way, although it makes good safety sense to be aware. it is a legal requirement for cyclists to give way to pedestrians on both segregated and unsegregated cycle ways from the highway code: 62 Cycle Tracks. These are normally located away from the road, but may occasionally be found alongside footpaths or pavements. Cyclists and pedestrians may be segregated or they may share the same space (unsegregated). When using segregated tracks you MUST keep to the side intended for cyclists as the pedestrian side remains a pavement or footpath. Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary. Take care near road junctions as you may have difficulty seeing other road users, who might not notice you. Law HA 1835 sect 72 | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. OP no need to clarify as your posts were clear what you meant to start off with sadly some people always feel the need to be pedantic "never a truer word big girl, never a truer word, very well said  | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. As you were walking on a cycle route did you not think to keep am eye out for cyclists? Like sexybrain I too walk on shared routes without conflict so I'm at a slight loss as to why you attracted so much animosity" it is not just a cycle route,it has always been used by walkers. And we are aware of cyclists, but cyclists have a duty to make themselves aware to pedestrians | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now No they don't" Are you totally sure about that 2wheels? Think you are wrong sorry to say. A bycycle is classed by law as a "vehicle" as is a "perambulator", yes, a pram! Hence why bycycles and prams are not allowed on "footpaths" and I`m talking unsurfaced rights of way now! It`s why footpaths can have stiles and other methods to allow passage of people and not "wheeled vehicles". Doesn`t have to be mechanically powered to be recognised as a vehicle by the law and the last time I looked "all vehicles have to be fitted with an audible warning device". Having said that, you would be hard pushed to find the last conviction of a cyclist who didn`t have an audible warning device fitted. I was as a 9 year old, prevented from taking my cycling proficiency test until I had a bell fitted to my bike! Yes, OK it was 50 years ago 
But going back to the OP, I have been on the path that passes the Avon Valley Railway near Bristol. As a pedestrian you have to really watch where you`re walking as cyclists pass at considerable speed and when to think that children are being taken to look at the staem trains that pass the combined cycleway/footpath. as someone who likes to take pictures of the trains and infrastructure, I have to have someone looking out for my safety as I take a picture. If I didn`t, chances are I could be taken out by a cyclist! | |||
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"I've walked on the cuckoo trail near Hailsham and it's not very wide - used to be a railway. The cyclists can go very fast and don't always let people know they are there until they are very close. Ive also cycled along and a guy let his dog run almost under my bike causing me to swerve away. " | |||
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"I've walked on the cuckoo trail near Hailsham and it's not very wide - used to be a railway. The cyclists can go very fast and don't always let people know they are there until they are very close. Ive also cycled along and a guy let his dog run almost under my bike causing me to swerve away. "the dog was on her lead(because of the cyclists)yes the cyclists are going way too fast( not all of them granted)and you are right it is not very wide but we were keeping over to the left.i dont know what more we had to do | |||
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" No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclist ?" shoosh; there's no need for that kind of language on a family thread!!  | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. Do you batter people often?" only those that call my kids fucking cunts | |||
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"Bells are utterly pointless as they get drowned out even by talking not so ..... millions of dutch are not wrong... they all have bells and they all use them effictively ..... pedestrians are the most vulnerable group when it comes to modes of transport .... their safety must be respected by all wheeled vehicle users at all times ..... end ofthank you someone who talks sense"
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"I often go for walks along cycle paths, but have never been insulted by any riders, though it does piss me off when I'm not given any sort of acknowledgement for moving aside and letting them pass." Carry a van door, just in case! | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now" but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise | |||
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"i dont really understand why this event which probably elapsed within a minute today ..is still causing you so much trauma ?? " it is not causing me trauma, i was just seeing what other peoples views,and experiences were. I thought that was what open forums were for.. | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise" Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. | |||
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"sadly with the increasing popularity of cycling there appears a new breed of cyclist who have no regard for any one else's safety or even there own, some of them shouldn't be let on a kids scooter let alone a bicycle " Same can be said about motorists too. And pedestrians for that matter. | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. "i was talking about laws in general, not bells | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. OP no need to clarify as your posts were clear what you meant to start off with sadly some people always feel the need to be pedantic "If there's one thing that really pisses me off about these threads, it's ultra-poor English ; - it's 'Pedledantic' - got it? .......tut tut..... | |||
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" Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. "pssssttttt wheels ..its just the warm up for starters ....on the main menu tonight will be... why dont cyclists pay road tax ?!! | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. "i have to agree with crystal on this one, there is no law that says you have to have a bell on a bike... Does not stop me thinking they are a good idea though | |||
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"Just grab an air horn, then next time they refuse to pull over or slow traffic to a standstill on narrow roads, or just be a pest as they inevitably are, air horn them. Close range, or a stick in the spokes." Blimey | |||
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"i dont really understand why this event which probably elapsed within a minute today ..is still causing you so much trauma ?? " I don't think it's a given that wanting to discuss something indicates any related feelings of trauma. Besides, I'd be somewhat ticked also if I had kids and someone said cunt in front of them. I use the word sometimes but I'd never do so in front of children. | |||
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"Just grab an air horn, then next time they refuse to pull over or slow traffic to a standstill on narrow roads, or just be a pest as they inevitably are, air horn them. Close range, or a stick in the spokes. Blimey "Some people always have to take things too far. | |||
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"Just grab an air horn, then next time they refuse to pull over or slow traffic to a standstill on narrow roads, or just be a pest as they inevitably are, air horn them. Close range, or a stick in the spokes. Blimey "Quite! | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. i have to agree with crystal on this one, there is no law that says you have to have a bell on a bike... Does not stop me thinking they are a good idea though"Sorry but both 2wheels and yourself are wrong. I suggest you read my post. A bycycle is a vehicle and if used on the highway (a cyclepath may be considered in law as a highway) it needs to be fitted with an audible warning device. Equally, any vehicle used on the highway after dark or in conditions of poor visibilty has to be fitted with suitable lighting equipment. | |||
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"Just grab an air horn, then next time they refuse to pull over or slow traffic to a standstill on narrow roads, or just be a pest as they inevitably are, air horn them. Close range, or a stick in the spokes. Blimey
Some people always have to take things too far."Some people always take forums too seriously. It's as though they think its real life | |||
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"Just grab an air horn, then next time they refuse to pull over or slow traffic to a standstill on narrow roads, or just be a pest as they inevitably are, air horn them. Close range, or a stick in the spokes. Blimey
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"Blah blah blah, that's all very well, but when to I get my bloody points? Hopeless thread!!! "I'd buy you a pint. If you want a laugh check YouTube for cyclists getting smashed up, funnier still check out; paintball drive by. I laughed so hard, I'm not ashamed to say there was a tear in my eye | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children" Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won! | |||
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"pedestrians have the right of way except for on motorways and slip roads .... wether you like it or not...... you criticise motororists for being dis-respectful of cyclists on the one hand but then childishly have that self same attitude to pedestrians as a cyclist on the other .... that is the wrong attitude, plain and simple .... pedestrians don't kill or seriously injure wheeled vehicle users, it is the other way around ..... time you dealt with it" Pedestrians can be the cause of accidents which result in the injury of others, vehicle users and other pedestrians alike. Someone with right of way (pedestrian, cyclist or driver) still, IMO, has a responsibility to think, be aware and to act in a manner to protect everyone in the vicinity. Traffic on a motorway has right of way but the considerate and safety conscious thing to do if someone wants to join from a sliproad is to move over if it is possible to do so safely. Right of way should not be an invitation or reason to blunder on regardless paying no mind to anyone else. Some cyclists can be a pain. Some pedestrians can be a pain. Some drivers can be a pain. I'd rather give way, even if I have right of way, if someone is determined to barge through regardless, rather than be involved in an accident which was avoidable. I'm likely to swear under my breath, certainly, but it's not the time or place to butt heads with someone selfish/stupid or someone who made a mistake. However I transport myself, I try to do so safely and considerately with the safety of everyone around in mind. We're all people, there should be no "them and us" bickering. There will always be some idiots. The rest of us are better than that. | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. i have to agree with crystal on this one, there is no law that says you have to have a bell on a bike... Does not stop me thinking they are a good idea though
Sorry but both 2wheels and yourself are wrong. I suggest you read my post. A bycycle is a vehicle and if used on the highway (a cyclepath may be considered in law as a highway) it needs to be fitted with an audible warning device. Equally, any vehicle used on the highway after dark or in conditions of poor visibilty has to be fitted with suitable lighting equipment."There ia no legal requirement that a bicycle has a bell. This is a fact. I have spent my life around cyclists and at races and bikes simply don't have them. If it was a requirement do you not think it would be enforced even occasionally. Has anyone ever been prosecuted for it? Bikes have to be sold with one but that is it. | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. i have to agree with crystal on this one, there is no law that says you have to have a bell on a bike... Does not stop me thinking they are a good idea though
Sorry but both 2wheels and yourself are wrong. I suggest you read my post. A bycycle is a vehicle and if used on the highway (a cyclepath may be considered in law as a highway) it needs to be fitted with an audible warning device. Equally, any vehicle used on the highway after dark or in conditions of poor visibilty has to be fitted with suitable lighting equipment."I would contend that a rider could be considered an audible warning device  | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won! "Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars | |||
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"i think it a sad refection on society when people have such contempt for others that their pain gives them such glee. ok its annoying but i'd never be happy to see any one hurt, why cant people just get along?" | |||
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"pedestrians have the right of way except for on motorways and slip roads .... wether you like it or not...... you criticise motororists for being dis-respectful of cyclists on the one hand but then childishly have that self same attitude to pedestrians as a cyclist on the other .... that is the wrong attitude, plain and simple .... pedestrians don't kill or seriously injure wheeled vehicle users, it is the other way around ..... time you dealt with it Pedestrians can be the cause of accidents which result in the injury of others, vehicle users and other pedestrians alike. Someone with right of way (pedestrian, cyclist or driver) still, IMO, has a responsibility to think, be aware and to act in a manner to protect everyone in the vicinity. Traffic on a motorway has right of way but the considerate and safety conscious thing to do if someone wants to join from a sliproad is to move over if it is possible to do so safely. Right of way should not be an invitation or reason to blunder on regardless paying no mind to anyone else. Some cyclists can be a pain. Some pedestrians can be a pain. Some drivers can be a pain. I'd rather give way, even if I have right of way, if someone is determined to barge through regardless, rather than be involved in an accident which was avoidable. I'm likely to swear under my breath, certainly, but it's not the time or place to butt heads with someone selfish/stupid or someone who made a mistake. However I transport myself, I try to do so safely and considerately with the safety of everyone around in mind. We're all people, there should be no "them and us" bickering. There will always be some idiots. The rest of us are better than that." i get ya drift , however pedestrians are the most vulnerable so therefore deserve the most respect and their right of way is enshrined in law for a reason. it's a as simple as that. | |||
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"as always some ridiculous and childish comments comments on here. the fact is no one group of road/track user is perfect. if you are coming up from behid on someoe as the OP states it is common sense to make your presence known and the easiest way to do that on a bike is a bell. several people used them today on our walk and we heard them no problem, moved to the side and let them pass without an issue. then there were the ones muttering unde their breath as the passed on the grass because we hadn't realised they were there because they had not made their presence known. Its not rocket science." And riding their bikes according to the conditions eg slowing down in the presence of pedestrians so as to give each other a chance to be aware of each other`s presence so according action may be taken. On the road in/on a mechanically powered vehicle it would be "sriving without due care or attention", an endorsable offence. | |||
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" Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up.
pssssttttt wheels ..its just the warm up for starters ....on the main menu tonight will be... why dont cyclists pay road tax ?!!"aarrrrrrr, that be roit fraam Bristaal | |||
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"pedestrians have the right of way except for on motorways and slip roads .... wether you like it or not...... you criticise motororists for being dis-respectful of cyclists on the one hand but then childishly have that self same attitude to pedestrians as a cyclist on the other .... that is the wrong attitude, plain and simple .... pedestrians don't kill or seriously injure wheeled vehicle users, it is the other way around ..... time you dealt with it Pedestrians can be the cause of accidents which result in the injury of others, vehicle users and other pedestrians alike. Someone with right of way (pedestrian, cyclist or driver) still, IMO, has a responsibility to think, be aware and to act in a manner to protect everyone in the vicinity. Traffic on a motorway has right of way but the considerate and safety conscious thing to do if someone wants to join from a sliproad is to move over if it is possible to do so safely. Right of way should not be an invitation or reason to blunder on regardless paying no mind to anyone else. Some cyclists can be a pain. Some pedestrians can be a pain. Some drivers can be a pain. I'd rather give way, even if I have right of way, if someone is determined to barge through regardless, rather than be involved in an accident which was avoidable. I'm likely to swear under my breath, certainly, but it's not the time or place to butt heads with someone selfish/stupid or someone who made a mistake. However I transport myself, I try to do so safely and considerately with the safety of everyone around in mind. We're all people, there should be no "them and us" bickering. There will always be some idiots. The rest of us are better than that. i get ya drift , however pedestrians are the most vulnerable so therefore deserve the most respect and their right of way is enshrined in law for a reason. it's a as simple as that. " That doesn't mean they have no responsibility to behave with their own safety and that of others in mind. Some pedestrians are accidents waiting to happen. (As are some drivers/cyclists). | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars"Are you Jeremy Clarkeson? | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars"have you seen how much a decent road bike costs? | |||
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"There are far too many people in this country who turn into complete a**eholes when somebody just happens to be in their way!" Thank goodness pedestrian activity in supermarkets doesn't have any endorsable offences defined... | |||
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"That doesn't mean they have no responsibility to behave with their own safety and that of others in mind" as regards the legal situation it means exactly that ..... sorry you don't like it but them's the facts everyone does stupid stuff but when it comes to pedestrians being knocked down it's never their fault in law. they may be candidate for a darwin award but they have no responsibility whatsoever | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars
have you seen how much a decent road bike costs? "I have a Raleigh 'Marin' it's quite expensive. But not nearly as much as running and buying a car. | |||
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"That doesn't mean they have no responsibility to behave with their own safety and that of others in mind as regards the legal situation it means exactly that ..... sorry you don't like it but them's the facts everyone does stupid stuff but when it comes to pedestrians being knocked down it's never their fault in law. they may be candidate for a darwin award but they have no responsibility whatsoever" No it doesn't mean that in law. A court will still consider the actions of the pedestrian. A lot of cases don't/wouldn't make it to court as a result. It's not always the driver's fault, contrary to popular myth. | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars
have you seen how much a decent road bike costs?
I have a Raleigh 'Marin' it's quite expensive. But not nearly as much as running and buying a car.
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"Some people walk on the cycle part of the path when there is clearly a walking part outlined to separate both .lots of walkers don't stick to this at all. And look amazed to see people cycling towards them . Even if you ring your bell.the ones that come with the bike are never any good, and as for cyclists paying road tax i think you will find lots of us already do as we got cars as well. "psst....no such thing as road tax | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. i have to agree with crystal on this one, there is no law that says you have to have a bell on a bike... Does not stop me thinking they are a good idea though
Sorry but both 2wheels and yourself are wrong. I suggest you read my post. A bycycle is a vehicle and if used on the highway (a cyclepath may be considered in law as a highway) it needs to be fitted with an audible warning device. Equally, any vehicle used on the highway after dark or in conditions of poor visibilty has to be fitted with suitable lighting equipment.
There ia no legal requirement that a bicycle has a bell. This is a fact. I have spent my life around cyclists and at races and bikes simply don't have them. If it was a requirement do you not think it would be enforced even occasionally. Has anyone ever been prosecuted for it?
Bikes have to be sold with one but that is it. "Re your last sentence. If it`s used on the highway then yes it does have to be fitted with an audible warning device. Suppliers have no control where a bycycle is used hence have no obligation to supply extra equipment, especially in the case of, for example, a mountain bike or a specialist racing bike which may be intended for exclusive off road use. Hence why manafacturers tend not to fit bells, lights etc. to such machines. Equally, most touring bikes I`ve come across seem to fitted with lights and a bell but sadly these excellent cycles seem not to be "trendy" any more. | |||
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"you're wrong ..... there may be no case to answer but you can't take a pedestrian to court for wandering into the highway. that's the legal fact " Incorrect and there is plenty of material available via Google to support that. Pedestrians can, and have, been found to be at fault and liable for losses incurred by drivers involved in accidents. I can't link to examples because it's not permitted but the information is easy enough to find. Pedestrians are expected to use the green cross code basic principles and act with regard for their own safety and that of others. | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars
have you seen how much a decent road bike costs?
I have a Raleigh 'Marin' it's quite expensive. But not nearly as much as running and buying a car.
so if you have a car and a bike what makes you assume those who are 'jealous' of you dont also have both?
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"sorry .... but not true" I don't know where you got that idea but there's clearly no point in discussing it further. Reliable and clear information on the actual facts is available easily enough if you care to look. Case law is available too. It's possible you are confusing criminal law and civil law but either way, you are not correct in your claims. | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. i have to agree with crystal on this one, there is no law that says you have to have a bell on a bike... Does not stop me thinking they are a good idea though
Sorry but both 2wheels and yourself are wrong. I suggest you read my post. A bycycle is a vehicle and if used on the highway (a cyclepath may be considered in law as a highway) it needs to be fitted with an audible warning device. Equally, any vehicle used on the highway after dark or in conditions of poor visibilty has to be fitted with suitable lighting equipment.
There ia no legal requirement that a bicycle has a bell. This is a fact. I have spent my life around cyclists and at races and bikes simply don't have them. If it was a requirement do you not think it would be enforced even occasionally. Has anyone ever been prosecuted for it?
Bikes have to be sold with one but that is it.
Re your last sentence. If it`s used on the highway then yes it does have to be fitted with an audible warning device. Suppliers have no control where a bycycle is used hence have no obligation to supply extra equipment, especially in the case of, for example, a mountain bike or a specialist racing bike which may be intended for exclusive off road use. Hence why manafacturers tend not to fit bells, lights etc. to such machines. Equally, most touring bikes I`ve come across seem to fitted with lights and a bell but sadly these excellent cycles seem not to be "trendy" any more."The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell? | |||
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"And yes we were sworn at several times, if it was not for the fact i had my children and mother in law with me, one particular one would have been dragged of his bike and been battered. No one uses the c word in front of my children Cyclists absolutely get on my tits when they ride either on the pavement or the Canal Towpath.Alot of them are very ignorant and expect me and my dogs and Grandchildren just to move without warning.It was very funny though the day my German Shepherd knocked a particularly rude one off his bike.She stood her ground and won!
Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now but some, it seems, tend to make up their own laws, and then declare them as true fact and nothing will persuade them otherwise Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up. i have to agree with crystal on this one, there is no law that says you have to have a bell on a bike... Does not stop me thinking they are a good idea though
Sorry but both 2wheels and yourself are wrong. I suggest you read my post. A bycycle is a vehicle and if used on the highway (a cyclepath may be considered in law as a highway) it needs to be fitted with an audible warning device. Equally, any vehicle used on the highway after dark or in conditions of poor visibilty has to be fitted with suitable lighting equipment.
There ia no legal requirement that a bicycle has a bell. This is a fact. I have spent my life around cyclists and at races and bikes simply don't have them. If it was a requirement do you not think it would be enforced even occasionally. Has anyone ever been prosecuted for it?
Bikes have to be sold with one but that is it.
Re your last sentence. If it`s used on the highway then yes it does have to be fitted with an audible warning device. Suppliers have no control where a bycycle is used hence have no obligation to supply extra equipment, especially in the case of, for example, a mountain bike or a specialist racing bike which may be intended for exclusive off road use. Hence why manafacturers tend not to fit bells, lights etc. to such machines. Equally, most touring bikes I`ve come across seem to fitted with lights and a bell but sadly these excellent cycles seem not to be "trendy" any more.
The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell?
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"Some people walk on the cycle part of the path when there is clearly a walking part outlined to separate both .lots of walkers don't stick to this at all. And look amazed to see people cycling towards them . Even if you ring your bell.the ones that come with the bike are never any good, and as for cyclists paying road tax i think you will find lots of us already do as we got cars as well.
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"you're still wrong .... for a start the green cross code is advice not a law .... not sure where you're getting your facts from but they are just wrong. try reading Stones Justices Manual and not believing everything you read on google" I said the PRINCIPLES of the green cross code. I'm certain of my facts, thanks. Google can be used as a source of absolute and reliable information if you have the sense to use it properly. Alas not everyone does. | |||
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Brilliant. This story could only get better if you dog then cocked its leg and pissed on the cyclists face. Lets face it they hate us because we can afford cars
Are you Jeremy Clarkeson?
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"what's wrong with just - shouting - Get out of the effing road.. or is that not allowed nowadays ?? "i go beep beep .most people move got a new bike and the bell thats come with it is crap.even though it was an expensive bike xx | |||
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"as i said .... read stones justices manual then get back ... if we based our cases at work on internet supposition we would bve laughed out of court and rightly so .... sorry but your information seems to be based on wild surmise" Ah you're janior at a law firm. That explains it all. You still aren't right. I'll let people do their own investigation and draw their own conclusions if they are interested. | |||
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" Still, these topics always attract armchair lawyers. Yet you confess to using google presumably for your wikiknowledge. Where did you gain your Barr law degree from again ?" Barr is a soft drinks manufacturer and you've misread my posts. Your insult has been rejected. Please feel free to try again. | |||
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"i wouldn't be a junior at my age love" I never said you would. Still difficulty reading would explain the problems with interpreting the law. | |||
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"as i said .... read stones justices manual then get back ... if we based our cases at work on internet supposition we would bve laughed out of court and rightly so .... sorry but your information seems to be based on wild surmise" Errrrrrrrm, was that bridgendish? 'Clink' | |||
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". Still, these topics always attract armchair lawyers." And you confessed to using google for your research.... Which establishment did you pass the bar to gain your law degree again. Think Ill believe the person who actually works in an establishment of law, over 'wiki' knowledge, thanks | |||
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". Still, these topics always attract armchair lawyers. And you confessed to using google for your research.... Which establishment did you pass the bar to gain your law degree again. Think Ill believe the person who actually works in an establishment of law, over 'wiki' knowledge, thanks" Nope. I invited other people to use Google to find reliable sources to confirm what I've said. Nowhere have I stated where my knowledge comes from. It remains the case that it is rare for drivers to claim against pedestrians for loss or injury and cases are difficult to prove. The driver does, however, have an absolute right to do so. There is only a point in taking this action if the pedestrian has the means to pay the award made. There are cases in which the pedestrian has been found entirely to blame, (in one I can think of the pedestrian stated it was all his fault in court), and the only reason they have not been pursued for compensation is that they had no means to pay it. The claim that a pedestrian cannot, in law, be taken to court for loss or injury is not correct. "Contributory negligence" on the part of the pedestrian is a well recognised aspect of these cases. What that means is that a pedestrian has a legal responsibility to act with regard for his or her own safety and that of others. I do not believe there has ever been a case judged in the total favour of the pedestrian simply on the basis of "well he was driving and I was on foot therefore he us clearly and absolutely to blame". That, and the "fact" that a pedestrian cannot be taken to court and held liable for loss or injury. It's rare, certainly, but it's certainly possible and permitted. | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. Do you batter people often?" Stop trying to back track because you didn't read his post properly in the first place | |||
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"Crystal let me clarify. no warning was given to us by cyclists approaching from behind,when we were aware of their presence we moved out of the way but we were sworn at and given abuse as they rode past because we obviously did not get out of the way quick enough for them. And with the creates respect being called a fucking cunt by someone in front of a 4 year old a 6 year old your wife and mother in law is not pleasant. And what i said was that if i was not with them i would have battered them. All it needs is for them to make people aware that they are coming up behind you, it is no good waiting until you are on top of people then getting the arse as people are not aware of you. Do you batter people often?only those that call my kids fucking cunts" | |||
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"That doesn't mean they have no responsibility to behave with their own safety and that of others in mind as regards the legal situation it means exactly that ..... sorry you don't like it but them's the facts everyone does stupid stuff but when it comes to pedestrians being knocked down it's never their fault in law. they may be candidate for a darwin award but they have no responsibility whatsoever" Because this has become complicated, the above is the quote I am disagreeing with, (although I also dispute that a pedestrian cannot "in law" be taken to court for compensation for a driver involved in an accident caused by the pedestrian). It states pedestrians have no responsibility in law to behave with regard to their own safety. This should clear the matter up... In Davies v Swan (see 4.1) Lord Denning said that in considering contributory negligence on the part of a pedestrian, the appropriate test was said to be: ‘When a man steps into the road he owes a duty to himself to take care for his own safety' A pedestrian has a legal responsibility (a duty of care) to act with regard for his own safety. Please find me any case law or legislation which establishes that a driver is always at fault when in an accident with a pedestrian and the pedestrian has no legal responsibility for his or her actions. | |||
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"All in All - Wait for The People That will Start Throwing themselves in Front of Cars etc - Compensation Culture will increase.. "Are you referring to pushies? | |||
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"All in All - Wait for The People That will Start Throwing themselves in Front of Cars etc - Compensation Culture will increase..
Are you referring to pushies? "Was Actually referring - to Cyclists - who think its ok to just fall in front of your Car/work vehicle.. and say you Hit Them.. !!! with no evidence whatsoever 
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"All in All - Wait for The People That will Start Throwing themselves in Front of Cars etc - Compensation Culture will increase..
Are you referring to pushies?
Was Actually referring - to Cyclists - who think its ok to just fall in front of your Car/work vehicle.. and say you Hit Them.. !!! with no evidence whatsoever
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"you're wrong ..... there may be no case to answer but you can't take a pedestrian to court for wandering into the highway. that's the legal fact " As i understand it, there is no law against 'jaywalking' as there is in other Countries like the United States, but conversely pedestrians have no legal right of way unless A)They are on a recognised crossing point B)They are already in the act of crossing a side road into which the vehicle is about to turn into. To be honest, whilst i am avery regular (every day) cyclist i've no time for those idiots who use shared use paths without consideration for other users - and that goes for ALL user groups. Personally i try not to use them, the road is often a much better option for a road bike travelling at 18mph than a path with pedestrians on it. | |||
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" Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up.
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" Are we talking about the posters saying bells are required by law? Because yes they are making it up.
pssssttttt wheels ..its just the warm up for starters ....on the main menu tonight will be... why dont cyclists pay road tax ?!!
Or Insurance!?!! "I'm insured
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"the 1949 case you have cited was an appeal to a civil action brought concerning the payment of damages and contributary negligence reduced those damages by 1 fifth ..... the bus driver was prosecuted for driving without due care and attention ..... Mr Davies was not a pedestrian, he was in fact a dustman riding on the side of the dust lorry he was working from, as was the custom. the dust lorry was travelling down a narrow road and the bus tried to pass the lorry ..... he paid the ultimate price .... he was killed Davies v Swan Motor Co [1949] 2 KB 291 Court of Appeal " The specific facts of that case are not relevant. The point, which you are determined to miss, is that you have claimed that pedestrians have no responsibility for their own safety. The quote I posted and the fact that 'contributory negligence' is recognised clearly demonstrates this to be untrue. I deliberately quoted such an old case to demonstrate that pedestrians have been considered to have a responsibility, legally, to act safely for a very long time. I could quote any number of cases where the responsibility for an accident was apportioned between a driver and a pedestrian so clearly pedestrians do have a legal responsibility to behave with regard to their own safety. I'll concede the earlier point, although I consider it splitting hairs, that pedestrians cannot be prosecuted for walking on a road. We are, however, not discussing merely using roads. We are talking specifically about situations in which accidents occur. In those situations, the contribution of the pedestrian to the accident is considered, so to say pedestrians have no responsibility for their own safety is an erroneous assertion. | |||
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"the 1949 case you have cited was an appeal to a civil action brought concerning the payment of damages and contributary negligence reduced those damages by 1 fifth ..... the bus driver was prosecuted for driving without due care and attention ..... Mr Davies was not a pedestrian, he was in fact a dustman riding on the side of the dust lorry he was working from, as was the custom. the dust lorry was travelling down a narrow road and the bus tried to pass the lorry ..... he paid the ultimate price .... he was killed Davies v Swan Motor Co [1949] 2 KB 291 Court of Appeal The specific facts of that case are not relevant. The point, which you are determined to miss, is that you have claimed that pedestrians have no responsibility for their own safety. The quote I posted and the fact that 'contributory negligence' is recognised clearly demonstrates this to be untrue. I deliberately quoted such an old case to demonstrate that pedestrians have been considered to have a responsibility, legally, to act safely for a very long time. I could quote any number of cases where the responsibility for an accident was apportioned between a driver and a pedestrian so clearly pedestrians do have a legal responsibility to behave with regard to their own safety. I'll concede the earlier point, although I consider it splitting hairs, that pedestrians cannot be prosecuted for walking on a road. We are, however, not discussing merely using roads. We are talking specifically about situations in which accidents occur. In those situations, the contribution of the pedestrian to the accident is considered, so to say pedestrians have no responsibility for their own safety is an erroneous assertion." Your post is very interesting and simply proves that no one has impunity. Everyone must show due care and consideration for other people, whilst realising the danger they present to others. Basically, don't be a dick and look outside your little bubble once in a while! | |||
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"................... The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell? " You`d have thought that was the case but it is merely just that - a recommendation and no legal standing at all. They no doubt recommend because if you don`t you`ll get nicked! You really have to regard Parliment as Admin UK. They can only advise. To get the absolute law you have to consult the statute books. | |||
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"................... The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell? You`d have thought that was the case but it is merely just that - a recommendation and no legal standing at all. They no doubt recommend because if you don`t you`ll get nicked! You really have to regard Parliment as Admin UK. They can only advise. To get the absolute law you have to consult the statute books." They can't nick you because there is no law... What part of that isn't making sense? | |||
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"................... The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell? You`d have thought that was the case but it is merely just that - a recommendation and no legal standing at all. They no doubt recommend because if you don`t you`ll get nicked! You really have to regard Parliment as Admin UK. They can only advise. To get the absolute law you have to consult the statute books. They can't nick you because there is no law... What part of that isn't making sense? " Your proof is ... THE STATUTE BOOKS ask any barrister. | |||
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"................... The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell? You`d have thought that was the case but it is merely just that - a recommendation and no legal standing at all. They no doubt recommend because if you don`t you`ll get nicked! You really have to regard Parliment as Admin UK. They can only advise. To get the absolute law you have to consult the statute books. They can't nick you because there is no law... What part of that isn't making sense? Your proof is ... THE STATUTE BOOKS ask any barrister." According to the lawyers i linked to, there is no such legal requirement. Can you point to the relevant statute that says a bell is a legal requirement for a bicycle on UK roads? | |||
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"................... The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell? You`d have thought that was the case but it is merely just that - a recommendation and no legal standing at all. They no doubt recommend because if you don`t you`ll get nicked! You really have to regard Parliment as Admin UK. They can only advise. To get the absolute law you have to consult the statute books. They can't nick you because there is no law... What part of that isn't making sense? Your proof is ... THE STATUTE BOOKS ask any barrister." A bicycle sold as new (rather than second-hand) and intended for use on the road must have a bell fitted when it is sold. There is no law that a bike used on the road must have a bell. Please provide details of the legislation that states otherwise, (clue: you won't be able to because there isn't any). | |||
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"................... The governments own website states: "It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle" - how much clearer can it be that there is no legal requirement fo a bell? You`d have thought that was the case but it is merely just that - a recommendation and no legal standing at all. They no doubt recommend because if you don`t you`ll get nicked! You really have to regard Parliment as Admin UK. They can only advise. To get the absolute law you have to consult the statute books. They can't nick you because there is no law... What part of that isn't making sense? " Off you go again | |||
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"Ok this is probably going to be a controversial one. Today my wife,our 2 young kids dog and mother in law went for a walk on the cuckoo trail. On several occasions we were given abuse by cyclists coming from behind us as we had not heard them coming. Whilst i appreciate that the cuckoo trail is part of the national cycle network, it is also very popular with walkers and family's. I have no problem with getting out of the way for cyclists infact i am constantly looking out for them, but when they come from behind you, you cannot hear them. The simple thing would be for them to fit a bell and ring it when approaching people but so few do this, yet get annoyed because people have not moved out the way for them. This is not a dig at cyclists, but as some wo drives in London a lot i am finding more and more are making themselves unpopular because of there arrogance and attitude. simple things like a bell would make life so much more harmonious for pedestrian and cyclist alike, instead of my wife nearly getting flattened by one today...." understand what your saying I walk and cycle, the problem is most familys and groups tend to walk side by side and completely block the path and are normally engrossed in what they are doing to notice anyone else, i do believe all cycles are sold from new with a basic bell fitted so there should be no reason not to use it. also the same happens with groups of cyclist on the roads side by side takeing too much room, walkers cyclist and car drivers will all ways blame each other basicly were all to busy with ourselves to notice or bother about others ,shame realy | |||
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"Right. Having trawled through a few websites it appears that the Governement has made a real dogs dinner of things as usual. Yes, it appears that it is no longer a legal requirement for a dealer to supply/fit a bell to a new bycycle as this has recently been introduced. However, there is still a requirment for a cyclist to make reasonable steps the make other road users aware of their presence through an "audible warning device" (not specifically a bell). It seems there are also grey areas surrounding shared cycleways/footpaths as to their legal defination as if they are "the highway" or otherwise, again thanks to the Governement not looking at the whole picture and only making one law without regard to other exsisting laws. To make complete sense of this you will have sit down and look at the legal definitions of what a bycycle is, what a road, path or cycleway is be it "metalled" or unsurfaced (seems you can ride a bike on a hard surfaced (tarmac etc.) bridleway but not an unsurfaced one! The more you look into it, the muddier the waters seem to be!" I think you can ride a bicycle any where other than a public footpath. I'm no lawyer though...... How about all road/track whatever else users all learn to co exist? Wouldn't the world be a lovely place? | |||
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"I live in Brighton and it annoys me when cyclists come up behind people walking and ring thier bell, the place is full of signs saying cyclists give priority to pedestrians. If I find myself in the position where I am cycling on an area where there is pedestrians, I slow down till I can get past them. If the people move out of my.way I thank them." But If you ring your bell you would warn them of your prescence? Isn't that what the op was complaining that the cyclists didn't do? | |||
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" With all the confusion above that's it, i'm walking to work tomorrow. " but not on a cycle path....lol | |||
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" With all the confusion above that's it, i'm walking to work tomorrow. but not on a cycle path....lol" no, i am the cyco path. | |||
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" With all the confusion above that's it, i'm walking to work tomorrow. but not on a cycle path....lol no, i am the cyco path. " | |||
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"Right. Having trawled through a few websites it appears that the Governement has made a real dogs dinner of things as usual. Yes, it appears that it is no longer a legal requirement for a dealer to supply/fit a bell to a new bycycle as this has recently been introduced. However, there is still a requirment for a cyclist to make reasonable steps the make other road users aware of their presence through an "audible warning device" (not specifically a bell). It seems there are also grey areas surrounding shared cycleways/footpaths as to their legal defination as if they are "the highway" or otherwise, again thanks to the Governement not looking at the whole picture and only making one law without regard to other exsisting laws. To make complete sense of this you will have sit down and look at the legal definitions of what a bycycle is, what a road, path or cycleway is be it "metalled" or unsurfaced (seems you can ride a bike on a hard surfaced (tarmac etc.) bridleway but not an unsurfaced one! The more you look into it, the muddier the waters seem to be!" Sorry, you CAN ride a bicycle on an unsurfaced bridleway - the Pennine Bridleway was created as a long-distance route for equestrians & cyclists for example. The rules are often contradictory because its down to Local Authorities to decide what is a cyclepath/route/way etc. Also the Govt have recently handed down advice that cyclists may ride on footways/pavements if they feel unsafe on the roadway. Cyclists may also ride in pedestrianised areas 'if there are not too many pedestrians around'. How that is to be judged i have no idea! In England & Wales bridleways are open to cyclists but footpaths (countryside trails) are not. In Scotland cyclists may use any trail within certain local restrictions (grouse shoots etc). | |||
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" Sorry, you CAN ride a bicycle on an unsurfaced bridleway - the Pennine Bridleway was created as a long-distance route for equestrians & cyclists for example. The rules are often contradictory because its down to Local Authorities to decide what is a cyclepath/route/way etc. Also the Govt have recently handed down advice that cyclists may ride on footways/pavements if they feel unsafe on the roadway. Cyclists may also ride in pedestrianised areas 'if there are not too many pedestrians around'. How that is to be judged i have no idea! In England & Wales bridleways are open to cyclists but footpaths (countryside trails) are not. In Scotland cyclists may use any trail within certain local restrictions (grouse shoots etc)." Certainly used to be the case. Not going to argue with your Pennine Bridleway example as you obviously have better local knowledge than me. In the past, the All Wheel Drive Club and the Trials Rider Fellowship used to urge their members to check with the Rights Of Way Officer at the County Council in question before using such a route. It has not been unknown for the County Council to downgrade or upgrade the Status of a Right Of Way, especially when a ROW has got into such a state as to rquire a temporary closure. Some County Councils are brilliant at keep ROW statuses up to date, the one at Wiltshire was a good example of this, probably because he was a AWDC member as well! I dare say the restriction on Bridleway useage has probably changed in the same Government`s dogs dinner method changes like we`ve both highlighted in our replys. Thanks for nothing "Dave"! Clear as mud as usual in the only way a polotician can do! | |||
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"Cyclists..... Work harder, get a car.." That's all you've got to offer to this thread? A re ashed joke stole from someone else that wasn't funny or even very relevant, I'm a cyclist owning 2 bikes and 2 cars, and infact every single person I go riding with live in 2 car households, The thing that really gets to me is people have cyclist because they dare ride side by side, but horse riders ride 2 and 3 across and nobody tries to cut them up or beeps there horn at them, I just don't understand where the hatred comes from | |||
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"Cyclists..... Work harder, get a car.. That's all you've got to offer to this thread? A re ashed joke stole from someone else that wasn't funny or even very relevant, I'm a cyclist owning 2 bikes and 2 cars, and infact every single person I go riding with live in 2 car households, The thing that really gets to me is people have cyclist because they dare ride side by side, but horse riders ride 2 and 3 across and nobody tries to cut them up or beeps there horn at them, I just don't understand where the hatred comes from" I think you have just succumbed to a piss take. I agree with you entirely, however I think the chap before you was bring silly. | |||
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"Cyclists..... Work harder, get a car.. That's all you've got to offer to this thread? A re ashed joke stole from someone else that wasn't funny or even very relevant, I'm a cyclist owning 2 bikes and 2 cars, and infact every single person I go riding with live in 2 car households, The thing that really gets to me is people have cyclist because they dare ride side by side, but horse riders ride 2 and 3 across and nobody tries to cut them up or beeps there horn at them, I just don't understand where the hatred comes from I think you have just succumbed to a piss take. I agree with you entirely, however I think the chap before you was bring silly." It may be a piss take its not so much the statement it's the fact he can't come up with his own ideas, and has to borrow stuff for Clarkson which in itself is pretty sad | |||
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"The work harder get a car joke isnt even relevant these days. I work hard for everything I get. My bikes would cost the thick end of four thousand now. Some spend it on fancy holidays and cars. I dont go out on the piss and my only luxury is cycling. My choice...." I currently have just over £7000's worth of bikes sat in the kitchen - with another £800 worth in the garage. The car is worth around £500. Know what gives me more pleasure & keeps me fitter. | |||
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"Cyclists..... Work harder, get a car.. That's all you've got to offer to this thread? A re ashed joke stole from someone else that wasn't funny or even very relevant, I'm a cyclist owning 2 bikes and 2 cars, and infact every single person I go riding with live in 2 car households, The thing that really gets to me is people have cyclist because they dare ride side by side, but horse riders ride 2 and 3 across and nobody tries to cut them up or beeps there horn at them, I just don't understand where the hatred comes from I think you have just succumbed to a piss take. I agree with you entirely, however I think the chap before you was bring silly." Correct mate, nothing malicious here . Just goes to show how much on edge some people are | |||
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"The work harder get a car joke isnt even relevant these days. I work hard for everything I get. My bikes would cost the thick end of four thousand now. Some spend it on fancy holidays and cars. I dont go out on the piss and my only luxury is cycling. My choice.... I currently have just over £7000's worth of bikes sat in the kitchen - with another £800 worth in the garage. The car is worth around £500. Know what gives me more pleasure & keeps me fitter." When I used to race timetrials my race wheels were a pair of tri spokes which were worth more than any carcive ever owned... | |||
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"Cyclists..... Work harder, get a car.. That's all you've got to offer to this thread? A re ashed joke stole from someone else that wasn't funny or even very relevant, I'm a cyclist owning 2 bikes and 2 cars, and infact every single person I go riding with live in 2 car households, The thing that really gets to me is people have cyclist because they dare ride side by side, but horse riders ride 2 and 3 across and nobody tries to cut them up or beeps there horn at them, I just don't understand where the hatred comes from I think you have just succumbed to a piss take. I agree with you entirely, however I think the chap before you was bring silly. Correct mate, nothing malicious here . Just goes to show how much on edge some people are "Not forgetting the fact it was neither funny nor original probably influenced the response... | |||
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"Cyclists..... Work harder, get a car.. That's all you've got to offer to this thread? A re ashed joke stole from someone else that wasn't funny or even very relevant, I'm a cyclist owning 2 bikes and 2 cars, and infact every single person I go riding with live in 2 car households, The thing that really gets to me is people have cyclist because they dare ride side by side, but horse riders ride 2 and 3 across and nobody tries to cut them up or beeps there horn at them, I just don't understand where the hatred comes from I think you have just succumbed to a piss take. I agree with you entirely, however I think the chap before you was bring silly. Correct mate, nothing malicious here . Just goes to show how much on edge some people are
Not forgetting the fact it was neither funny nor original probably influenced the response..."Being a cyclist is hard work. Nobody gives you room, people step out in front of you. Open car doors in your path. Plough into the side of you and simply say 'sorry mate I didn't see you there'! NO SHIT SHERLOCK! I think there needs to be something done to protect cyclists on the roads as they are seen as a lesser being. I do acknowledged that some people who ride a bike are discourteous road users. However, they are few and far between. Cyclists and people who ride their bike are tow separate things! | |||
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"Yup. Bikes are a total rip off but its economy of scale. If I tried to go on a downhill route where I live on an Argos special I would kill myself....i used to spend my dosh on cars. They are no longer what floats my boat" Not sure that all are a total rip off, some certainly are though. But the fact people seem to think electronic gears and carbon wheels are a necessity even for 4th cat racing meaning race bikes are worth thousands doesn't help. Plus it is a sport obsessed with labels. My local shop stocks Pinerello's and they are such poor value it is laughable but shop wisely with a £1500 to £2k budget and you can get a bike that is more than capable of holding it's own at elite level races. | |||
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"Yup. Bikes are a total rip off but its economy of scale. If I tried to go on a downhill route where I live on an Argos special I would kill myself....i used to spend my dosh on cars. They are no longer what floats my boat Not sure that all are a total rip off, some certainly are though. But the fact people seem to think electronic gears and carbon wheels are a necessity even for 4th cat racing meaning race bikes are worth thousands doesn't help. Plus it is a sport obsessed with labels. My local shop stocks Pinerello's and they are such poor value it is laughable but shop wisely with a £1500 to £2k budget and you can get a bike that is more than capable of holding it's own at elite level races. " You need look no further than Decathlon. Their Btwin bikes are outstanding! | |||
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"pity they were not on the road as they have to have a bell by law now" Yes, a bell maybe, but no insurance or road tax? they shouldn't be on the road either | |||
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