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religious nutcase vegan parents child dies, vitamin deficiencies causing rickets.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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They got got sentenced to 3 years and 2years 3 months for refusing to seek medical care after their child died due to rickets, their choice of vegan diet caused the rickets. Their choice of religion, seventh day adventists, prevented them from seeking medical care.
I don't suppose any sentence is going to seem be long enough imo. I do hope that any other children they have now or in the future are removed from their care as soon as possible. It would also be interesting to know why the father was sentenced to a longer punishment than the mother. The judge decided he was more culpable than the mother. 
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/28/parents-jailed-manslaughter-baby-rickets
There has been a case that is similar in the USA recently where the second child died and they received a very similar sentence. Both countries will force medical care for children in these circumstances, if they are aware of a problem. |
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By *aitinkCouple
over a year ago
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Fifteen minutes in the sun a day would have prevented the rickets. Vegan diets are a problem with young children as vegetation cannot provide the amount of protein needed for a properly developing brain. That said though, I haven't seen many studies of vegan family children's development to judge whether this manifests as a noticeable difference in development or attainment. One of the difficulties is that the lifestyle cuts them off from their peers and discourages them from participating in scientific studies so gathering such data would be somewhat difficult. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Vitamin tablets would have helped to, I would have thought, I have no problem if people decide to be vegan, the religion preventing children receiving medical care when needed I do find very hard to understand.
My sister has just found out she has a vitamin d problem, living in Hong Kong the medical staff have said it is on the increase because of the amount of sunblock people are using. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some time ago there was a spate of news stories about Jehovah Witnesses not allowing their children to have blood transfusions for whatever reason they needed them.
It really irked me as the very ones they (should) cherish suffer due to the parents belief |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Religion and diet are the secondary causes. Being shit parents is the primary."
Spot on, who could watch their child die and not do everything in their power to prevent it!
Makes my blood boil... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The church community is as much to blame as the parents. Surely the other members of the congragation could see what was happening but stood by and let it progress. |
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By *aitinkCouple
over a year ago
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Btw, rickets is on the rise in Western nations in general: not so much due to sunscreen, but due to too much screen time - we have been scared by the tabloids to keep our kids inside where we can see them instead of kicking them out of the back door at 10am and telling them not to come back until tea time. Outdoors play is essential (rickets is one good reason) and the other is rigorous active play is essential to bone growth and muscle development, especially in puberty, a time when they cover up in hoodies and hide in darkened bedrooms. and if you are a small framed light weight female you will pay for it in osteoporosis if you don't build bone throughout your life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The church community is as much to blame as the parents. Surely the other members of the congragation could see what was happening but stood by and let it progress."
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unfortunately the problems with children not being looked after as they should be is much more widespread than just religious orders.
All to often we hear stories of children dying due to neglect and abuse.
The fact that a religious order was involved in this instance is neither here nor there (I really do not mean that in a flippant sense).
Every time I hear or read a story about a child dying for any reason makes me wander why friends/relatives/neighbours or even the general public did not intervene.
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By *aitinkCouple
over a year ago
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In this day and age of general overcrowding it is remarkably easy to hide abused children (and wives) from the community. Unreasonable employment policies also encourages families to fracture in a way they never did 50 years ago which means that few families live in communities and even the best intentioned build walls around their families to further isolate themselves. It is easier to abuse in suburbia and in rural environments than in an urban community - in fact, the richer the community the easier it is to abuse and the statistics bear that out.
I was seriously pissed off with our postnatal midwife when we raised our own concerns about our difficulties interacting with our firstborn: she dismissed them saying 'you're middle class, you'll cope' yet I know that the lack of support for middle class families (distant siblings and mothers, no friendly neighbours, no busybodies) actually leads to a much higher rate of abuse as well as more subtle psychological bullying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In this day and age of general overcrowding it is remarkably easy to hide abused children (and wives) from the community. Unreasonable employment policies also encourages families to fracture in a way they never did 50 years ago which means that few families live in communities and even the best intentioned build walls around their families to further isolate themselves. It is easier to abuse in suburbia and in rural environments than in an urban community - in fact, the richer the community the easier it is to abuse and the statistics bear that out.
I was seriously pissed off with our postnatal midwife when we raised our own concerns about our difficulties interacting with our firstborn: she dismissed them saying 'you're middle class, you'll cope' yet I know that the lack of support for middle class families (distant siblings and mothers, no friendly neighbours, no busybodies) actually leads to a much higher rate of abuse as well as more subtle psychological bullying."
The remark from your midwife is outrageous. I understand your comments but I also think that there is a general apathy in todays society in so far as people do not want to 'get involved', probably more so in domestic abuse situations than child abuse/neglect.
Am not sure about the class distinction though as I do not know enough about it to comment.
Next question, how do you solve the problem of apathy?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unfortunately the problems with children not being looked after as they should be is much more widespread than just religious orders.
All to often we hear stories of children dying due to neglect and abuse.
Every time I hear or read a story about a child dying for any reason makes me wander why friends/relatives/neighbours or even the general public did not intervene."
I don't know about the UK, but here in the US, in a lot of neighborhoods, neighbors don't even take the time to meet each other let alone talk to each other. If they did a lot of abuse/neglect case could become exposed before tragedy to the children happened. |
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By *aitinkCouple
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"The remark from your midwife is outrageous. I understand your comments but I also think that there is a general apathy in todays society in so far as people do not want to 'get involved', probably more so in domestic abuse situations than child abuse/neglect.
Am not sure about the class distinction though as I do not know enough about it to comment.
Next question, how do you solve the problem of apathy?
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It is not apathy, it is really a side effect of the structure of society: everything is too big, schools, hospitals, local authorities, police forces etc. et al. I noticed as a young man in London that when I went courting, or going home, on a Sunday Morning, the roads were empty but there were long lines at the bus stop. !0 years later you could hardly move for traffic on a Sunday morning. My hypothesis is that youngsters settle within say 10 minutes of their parents. 10 minutes walk, became 10 minutes bus ride which became 10 minutes car ride. 10 minutes car ride is 5 miles. If your sibling does the same that is 10 miles between sibling settling on either side of mum and dad. In the 10 mins walk scenario, cousins would routinely play together and build a social network around their home: in the 10- mile scenario cousins would be relative strangers and kids coming home from school would go to an empty house, or often, some one else's empty house. The parents would not have a built in social network any more and job commitments would have them build their social network around work, not around their home - so nobody except other unsupervised kids get to know the youngsters.
In a sense this will self correct, we won't be able to afford our cars for much longer so work and settlement patterns will re-establish themselves, but planning regulations could help a great deal by forcing planning applications to assume there will be no cars; services like shopping, entertainment, etc. should be provided within walking distance of every home. Pubs should serve cheaper alcohol than the offie to ensure drinking was social and supervised and a great deal of effort put into integrating young mothers into the communities they live in. Birthing classes should be in the church hall, not at the 20 miles away district hospital, support groups should be funded so that every mother of every social status gets involved with something similar to the NCT (National Childbirth Trust) which often creates a support group which stays together until at least High School. I could go on boring the pants off you but as we are too far away to do anything about our unclothed nethers I will stop preaching and hope my diatribe answers your question. |
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By *aitinkCouple
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" I don't know about the UK, but here in the US, in a lot of neighborhoods, neighbors don't even take the time to meet each other let alone talk to each other. If they did a lot of abuse/neglect case could become exposed before tragedy to the children happened. "
I used to live in Pittsburgh and the communities there were actually very tight (mainly because it was very hilly and each valley took on a unique character and the residents became very close.) But yes, one of the richest towns in Connecticut (Darien, next door to Greenwich) has the highest recorded instance of spousal abuse mainly because the wives cannot afford to walk away from their incredibly rich and lawyer connected husbands. Here the abuse is better than poverty and at least they can protect their kids which they couldn't do if they walked away. A great deal more misery than in nearby but very poor Norwalk. |
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"I am against people telling others how to live.
Even when it means telling them not to harm others? I surly hope you don't mean that."
Yes good point. so please tell the peeps who make decisions in your country to stop invading other countrys and killing innocent men women children. please stop sending drones to kill innocent people. blah blah blah |
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By *aitinkCouple
over a year ago
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"Children should be placed in care, away from these nut job parents.
Her"
Now have lots of fun identifying the afore mentioned nut job parents. And we don't have enough child care workers to cope now let alone if you widen the definition of neglect. In any case, I prefer to see education rather than intervention. Parenting, and I don't just mean nappy changing skills (diapers for any American readers) should be introduced into the curriculum. If we better taught social skills we might be able to reduce the army of social services and real police. |
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"I am against people telling others how to live.
Even when it means telling them not to harm others? I surly hope you don't mean that.
Yes good point. so please tell the peeps who make decisions in your country to stop invading other countrys and killing innocent men women children. please stop sending drones to kill innocent people. blah blah blah"
But we are against telling others how to live 
Him |
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"I am against people telling others how to live.
Even when it means telling them not to harm others? I surly hope you don't mean that.
Yes good point. so please tell the peeps who make decisions in your country to stop invading other countrys and killing innocent men women children. please stop sending drones to kill innocent people. blah blah blah
But we are against telling others how to live
Him"
Yes its called sarcasm |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am against people telling others how to live.
Even when it means telling them not to harm others? I surly hope you don't mean that.
Yes good point. so please tell the peeps who make decisions in your country to stop invading other countrys and killing innocent men women children. please stop sending drones to kill innocent people. blah blah blah
But we are against telling others how to live
Him Yes its called sarcasm "
Sorry i missed the Punchline  |
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there are some stupid people raising children out there.. 
