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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Looking forward to hear what the Fab jury will have to say in the next few weeks.
Please stick to the evidence and facts only !! I know it will be very hard for most of you but please try.  |
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Besides the murder charge, Pistorius has already admitted to culpable homicide, equivalent to manslaughter, a crime that could see him put away for 15 years - or he could leave the Pretoria High Court a free man, with no more than a slap on the wrist and a suspended sentence.(I quoted that from a newspaper article online). It reminds me of the OJ Simpson murder trial..with all the media and the allowing of cameras in the trial |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why today the news channels start with this, while there's lots of really important stuff is going on elsewhere (no, not referring to Oscars and the like) - I don't know. But I'm not surprised, really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I can't remember back when he was charged but they never released the details of the trajectory did they ? "
Are you referring to the ballistics evidence?
I recall seeing something about it but I'm not sure if it was the actual ballistics report or just hypothesis. Personally I think it would be very unwise to release that kind of evidence to the public prior to the trial. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I can't remember back when he was charged but they never released the details of the trajectory did they ?
Are you referring to the ballistics evidence?
I recall seeing something about it but I'm not sure if it was the actual ballistics report or just hypothesis. Personally I think it would be very unwise to release that kind of evidence to the public prior to the trial."
Hypothesis I think |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's all a bit distasteful, turning the death of a woman into a media circus."
Sadly justice comes second to profit. One network over there has even started a 24hr channel solely dedicated to this trial. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it is really suspicious that he claims to have forgotten his passcode to his iPhone and nobody has been able to access it yet.
Also, the neighbours' testimony regarding the shouting and the fact that the first shot was fired in the bedroom and then the subsequent shots through the bathroom door point in the direction that he knew what he was doing.
Sadly yet another case of a woman murdered by her partner. Hope he gets a heavy sentence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"His argument is that he thought there was an intruder in the house....  "
Which is somewhat reasonable given that violent home invasions are fairly common in South Africa. I guess we'll have to wait for the evidence. |
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"His argument is that he thought there was an intruder in the house....
Which is somewhat reasonable given that violent home invasions are fairly common in South Africa. I guess we'll have to wait for the evidence."
Granted yes SA is known for home invasions I don't know of the case fully...it's just what I am reading now... |
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 they had only been together a few months before the shooting....it is believed that he shot her through a locked bathroom door thinking she was an intruder however there are witness statement stating that an argument had broken out between them that evening....
Whatever happened a life was lost and she was absolutely stunning |
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" they had only been together a few months before the shooting....it is believed that he shot her through a locked bathroom door thinking she was an intruder however there are witness statement stating that an argument had broken out between them that evening....
Whatever happened a life was lost and she was absolutely stunning "
What sort of 'intruder' locks the bathroom door, for that matter what sort of intruder goes in the bathroom? Surely other rooms are of more interest. Somebody running from a violent man might go into a bathroom and lock it though.
Still, burglars need poos too! |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Please stand the judge has arrived lol"
People will make a judgement of what they have read, if you post sarcastic comments when someone posts their _iews on a subject that you started then it will just cause mayhem. |
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" they had only been together a few months before the shooting....it is believed that he shot her through a locked bathroom door thinking she was an intruder however there are witness statement stating that an argument had broken out between them that evening....
Whatever happened a life was lost and she was absolutely stunning
What sort of 'intruder' locks the bathroom door, for that matter what sort of intruder goes in the bathroom? Surely other rooms are of more interest. Somebody running from a violent man might go into a bathroom and lock it though.
Still, burglars need poos too!"
Well I'm sure that the prosecutor will ask those questions...._isscheekychops for fab tv  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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" they had only been together a few months before the shooting....it is believed that he shot her through a locked bathroom door thinking she was an intruder however there are witness statement stating that an argument had broken out between them that evening....
Whatever happened a life was lost and she was absolutely stunning
What sort of 'intruder' locks the bathroom door, for that matter what sort of intruder goes in the bathroom? Surely other rooms are of more interest. Somebody running from a violent man might go into a bathroom and lock it though.
Still, burglars need poos too!"
Ask builders or tradesmen where they take a peek when in someones house I bet ladies drawers and bathroom etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" they had only been together a few months before the shooting....it is believed that he shot her through a locked bathroom door thinking she was an intruder however there are witness statement stating that an argument had broken out between them that evening....
Whatever happened a life was lost and she was absolutely stunning
What sort of 'intruder' locks the bathroom door, for that matter what sort of intruder goes in the bathroom? Surely other rooms are of more interest. Somebody running from a violent man might go into a bathroom and lock it though.
Still, burglars need poos too!"
Knowing his girlfriend wasn't in bed beside him, where you would assume she would be normally. Not many young couples have separate beds or bedrooms. Erring on the side of caution, l have the impression he is as guilty as sin. The judge will obviously have access to all the evidence so may draw a different conclusion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" they had only been together a few months before the shooting....it is believed that he shot her through a locked bathroom door thinking she was an intruder however there are witness statement stating that an argument had broken out between them that evening....
Whatever happened a life was lost and she was absolutely stunning
What sort of 'intruder' locks the bathroom door, for that matter what sort of intruder goes in the bathroom? Surely other rooms are of more interest. Somebody running from a violent man might go into a bathroom and lock it though.
Still, burglars need poos too!
Ask builders or tradesmen where they take a peek when in someones house I bet ladies drawers and bathroom etc "
I've had a few people get very embarrassed when I've had to empty their airing cupboards mainly because they're the females Tardis wouldn't want to go through their drawers though. I've known a few plasterers I wouldn't leave alone in my house though.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Their will be no fair trial here he will do everything possible to corrupt the judge and money talks what ever it cost he will make back after it's all over in inter_iews and paper deals |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"[...] and she was absolutely stunning
what has THAT got to do with it?
Nothing I was simply saying she was a stunning looking woman...."
Fab reporter reporting facts!!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Two South African firearms experts have been recruited, one an expert on "blood-spatter patterns" and "crime-scene reconstruction".
Why wasn't Dexter hired? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sadly yet another case of a woman murdered by her partner. Hope he gets a heavy sentence.
Only if he's guilty of murder."
That's irrelevant actually, he killed her. There is no denying that fact. Whether it was by mistake or not (I don't think it was unintended)... he is still responsible for her death. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sadly yet another case of a woman murdered by her partner. Hope he gets a heavy sentence.
Only if he's guilty of murder.
That's irrelevant actually, he killed her. There is no denying that fact. Whether it was by mistake or not (I don't think it was unintended)... he is still responsible for her death."
How is it irrelevant? You clearly said he murdered her, he says it was a horrific accident. If he intended to kill her then, yes, she was murdered. If it was an accident then she wasn't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sadly yet another case of a woman murdered by her partner. Hope he gets a heavy sentence.
Only if he's guilty of murder.
That's irrelevant actually, he killed her. There is no denying that fact. Whether it was by mistake or not (I don't think it was unintended)... he is still responsible for her death.
How is it irrelevant? You clearly said he murdered her, he says it was a horrific accident. If he intended to kill her then, yes, she was murdered. If it was an accident then she wasn't."
The point I was trying to make is that he IS responsible for her death.
I think she was murdered and statistically speaking more women die at home due to their partners intentional violence than from "horrific accidents" so yes I think he is a murderer.
Of course he will try to defend himself and may even get away with it (just like OJ did and sadly many many perpetrators of domestic violence do) in my eyes he is guilty. |
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11:27: Sporting the headline "Reeva is not alone," South Africa's The Times focuses on what is says is the rising incidence of deadly violence against women in the country. "By the time Oscar Pistorius steps out of the dock in the Pretoria High Court today, at least two women will have been shot and killed in South Africa," says a front-page article. "Once his three-week murder trial is over, about 63 mothers, wives, girlfriends, fiancés and daughters will have been shot dead - many of them by their partner," it adds. - via BBC Monitoring |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is going to be a very long trial. I find the media focus on it while the events in Ukraine represent a major threat to world peace really rather disturbing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sadly yet another case of a woman murdered by her partner. Hope he gets a heavy sentence.
Only if he's guilty of murder.
That's irrelevant actually, he killed her. There is no denying that fact. Whether it was by mistake or not (I don't think it was unintended)... he is still responsible for her death.
How is it irrelevant? You clearly said he murdered her, he says it was a horrific accident. If he intended to kill her then, yes, she was murdered. If it was an accident then she wasn't.
The point I was trying to make is that he IS responsible for her death.
I think she was murdered and statistically speaking more women die at home due to their partners intentional violence than from "horrific accidents" so yes I think he is a murderer.
Of course he will try to defend himself and may even get away with it (just like OJ did and sadly many many perpetrators of domestic violence do) in my eyes he is guilty."
I know the point you're trying to make, but you've already convicted him of murder when there is a chance that it wasn't.
Yes, he is responsible for her death but it's the details of how it happened that define whether or not he's a murderer or a paranoid moron with a gun... |
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" they had only been together a few months before the shooting....it is believed that he shot her through a locked bathroom door thinking she was an intruder however there are witness statement stating that an argument had broken out between them that evening....
Whatever happened a life was lost and she was absolutely stunning
What sort of 'intruder' locks the bathroom door, for that matter what sort of intruder goes in the bathroom? Surely other rooms are of more interest. Somebody running from a violent man might go into a bathroom and lock it though.
Still, burglars need poos too!"
Just think Funky ..... in a parallel universe... Some two legged man heard a noise , thought it was his beautiful blonde girlfriend and fucked a poor burglar up the arse ! ..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Dont think its ever going to be a fair trial when the worlds media can see/hear whats involved.
why..?
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wont a jury read/see what other people are reading/saying about it and this could possibly influence a discussion?
looks like its a case of guilty until proven innocent. I think its all unjust. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Dont think its ever going to be a fair trial when the worlds media can see/hear whats involved.
why..?
wont a jury read/see what other people are reading/saying about it and this could possibly influence a discussion?
looks like its a case of guilty until proven innocent. I think its all unjust. "
No jury only the Judge |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Dont think its ever going to be a fair trial when the worlds media can see/hear whats involved.
why..?
wont a jury read/see what other people are reading/saying about it and this could possibly influence a discussion?
looks like its a case of guilty until proven innocent. I think its all unjust. "
No jury to influence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes, he is responsible for her death but it's the details of how it happened that define whether or not he's a murderer or a paranoid moron with a gun..."
Either way he deserves a heavy sentence, Reeva is dead. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I find it very difficult to believe he woke up, believed his girlfriend was in the bed with him, thought there was a burglar, headed to the bathroom (where the door was locked because the burglar was probably taking a shit???) so he blasted through the door killing his girlfriend accidentaly. Sounds stoopid to me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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ok so i dont know the SA legal system and there is no jury.. guess it just doesn't sit right with me that a man is sent to slaughter so publicly regardless if he did or did not purposely kill his then girlfriend.
Extra pressure on the judge to perhaps ive a guilty verdict in fear of the back lash from the public afterwards.. or the other way when Oscar is say 'let off' because the judge feels pressure from fans of his..
who knows what will happen, but when the world is watching and scrutinizing every single decision you make surely somethings gotta give |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I find it very difficult to believe he woke up, believed his girlfriend was in the bed with him, thought there was a burglar, headed to the bathroom (where the door was locked because the burglar was probably taking a shit???) so he blasted through the door killing his girlfriend accidentaly. Sounds stoopid to me"
As I understood things from the time of his arrest, Pistorius claimed he thought a burglar had broken in via the bathroom window and had locked the door from the inside to give him/ her self more time to escape when he (the burglar) heard noises from the house.
Why, in those circumstances, Pistorius didn't just fire his weapon into the ceiling of his house to further scare the burglar, I dunno. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I find it very difficult to believe he woke up, believed his girlfriend was in the bed with him, thought there was a burglar, headed to the bathroom (where the door was locked because the burglar was probably taking a shit???) so he blasted through the door killing his girlfriend accidentaly. Sounds stoopid to me
As I understood things from the time of his arrest, Pistorius claimed he thought a burglar had broken in via the bathroom window and had locked the door from the inside to give him/ her self more time to escape when he (the burglar) heard noises from the house.
Why, in those circumstances, Pistorius didn't just fire his weapon into the ceiling of his house to further scare the burglar, I dunno."
Cheaper and easier to fix holes in walls than ceiling |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I find it very difficult to believe he woke up, believed his girlfriend was in the bed with him, thought there was a burglar, headed to the bathroom (where the door was locked because the burglar was probably taking a shit???) so he blasted through the door killing his girlfriend accidentaly. Sounds stoopid to me
As I understood things from the time of his arrest, Pistorius claimed he thought a burglar had broken in via the bathroom window and had locked the door from the inside to give him/ her self more time to escape when he (the burglar) heard noises from the house.
Why, in those circumstances, Pistorius didn't just fire his weapon into the ceiling of his house to further scare the burglar, I dunno."
Yeah even more ludicrous, why didn't he demand to know who was in there? He could have shouted "I have a gun, identify yourself!". Even more silly than that if he suspected him and his girlfriend were in danger why didn't he find her first to make sure she was safe?
He's either the worlds biggest idiot ever or a murderer. This reminds me of that case in Australia was it? Where the fella was caught on CCTV throwing his girlfriend off the balcony? When these types of men see red they don't think they just do. He's guilty as sin |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I find it very difficult to believe he woke up, believed his girlfriend was in the bed with him, thought there was a burglar, headed to the bathroom (where the door was locked because the burglar was probably taking a shit???) so he blasted through the door killing his girlfriend accidentaly. Sounds stoopid to me
As I understood things from the time of his arrest, Pistorius claimed he thought a burglar had broken in via the bathroom window and had locked the door from the inside to give him/ her self more time to escape when he (the burglar) heard noises from the house.
Why, in those circumstances, Pistorius didn't just fire his weapon into the ceiling of his house to further scare the burglar, I dunno.
Yeah even more ludicrous, why didn't he demand to know who was in there? He could have shouted "I have a gun, identify yourself!". Even more silly than that if he suspected him and his girlfriend were in danger why didn't he find her first to make sure she was safe?
He's either the worlds biggest idiot ever or a murderer. This reminds me of that case in Australia was it? Where the fella was caught on CCTV throwing his girlfriend off the balcony? When these types of men see red they don't think they just do. He's guilty as sin"
Im no expert on South African house break ins but I do believe many of the occupants end up as fatalities so you can not blame a person for reacting this way when faced with a possible intruder. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Looking forward to hear what the Fab jury will have to say in the next few weeks.
Please stick to the evidence and facts only !! I know it will be very hard for most of you but please try. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I find it very difficult to believe he woke up, believed his girlfriend was in the bed with him, thought there was a burglar, headed to the bathroom (where the door was locked because the burglar was probably taking a shit???) so he blasted through the door killing his girlfriend accidentaly. Sounds stoopid to me
As I understood things from the time of his arrest, Pistorius claimed he thought a burglar had broken in via the bathroom window and had locked the door from the inside to give him/ her self more time to escape when he (the burglar) heard noises from the house.
Why, in those circumstances, Pistorius didn't just fire his weapon into the ceiling of his house to further scare the burglar, I dunno.
Yeah even more ludicrous, why didn't he demand to know who was in there? He could have shouted "I have a gun, identify yourself!". Even more silly than that if he suspected him and his girlfriend were in danger why didn't he find her first to make sure she was safe?
He's either the worlds biggest idiot ever or a murderer. This reminds me of that case in Australia was it? Where the fella was caught on CCTV throwing his girlfriend off the balcony? When these types of men see red they don't think they just do. He's guilty as sin
Im no expert on South African house break ins but I do believe many of the occupants end up as fatalities so you can not blame a person for reacting this way when faced with a possible intruder."
Surely the first thing you would do is check your loved one was ok? The defence case appears totally implausible but let's decide once they have had the chance to present the case. Interesting to note the lesser charges against him relating to firing weapons in public places and potentially endangering the public including in a busy restaurant, a ploy by the prosecution I'm sure to paint a picture of a man very different to the public persona. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I find it very difficult to believe he woke up, believed his girlfriend was in the bed with him, thought there was a burglar, headed to the bathroom (where the door was locked because the burglar was probably taking a shit???) so he blasted through the door killing his girlfriend accidentaly. Sounds stoopid to me
As I understood things from the time of his arrest, Pistorius claimed he thought a burglar had broken in via the bathroom window and had locked the door from the inside to give him/ her self more time to escape when he (the burglar) heard noises from the house.
Why, in those circumstances, Pistorius didn't just fire his weapon into the ceiling of his house to further scare the burglar, I dunno.
Yeah even more ludicrous, why didn't he demand to know who was in there? He could have shouted "I have a gun, identify yourself!". Even more silly than that if he suspected him and his girlfriend were in danger why didn't he find her first to make sure she was safe?
He's either the worlds biggest idiot ever or a murderer. This reminds me of that case in Australia was it? Where the fella was caught on CCTV throwing his girlfriend off the balcony? When these types of men see red they don't think they just do. He's guilty as sin
Im no expert on South African house break ins but I do believe many of the occupants end up as fatalities so you can not blame a person for reacting this way when faced with a possible intruder."
Sure but would you blindly discharge a loaded gun into a closed room without having seen your loved one? Assuming it was a burglar? Why did he assume it was a burglar? The whole story sounds far too unbelievable |
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"ok so i dont know the SA legal system and there is no jury.. guess it just doesn't sit right with me that a man is sent to slaughter so publicly regardless if he did or did not purposely kill his then girlfriend.
Extra pressure on the judge to perhaps ive a guilty verdict in fear of the back lash from the public afterwards.. or the other way when Oscar is say 'let off' because the judge feels pressure from fans of his..
who knows what will happen, but when the world is watching and scrutinizing every single decision you make surely somethings gotta give"
or she, the judge could come to a decision whichever way on the actual evidence..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Sure but would you blindly discharge a loaded gun into a closed room without having seen your loved one? Assuming it was a burglar? Why did he assume it was a burglar? The whole story sounds far too unbelievablE
That is the part where he may have screwed up by not physically checking if she was in the bed before shooting.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have just seen him on the tv he looks really sorry they should just tell him off it was an accident poor chap "
In 3 weeks or however long the trial lasts that may happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The south African reporter in the bbc news this morning said that the apartments security guard heard shots and phoned up and he was told he wasn't needed. "
Wait and listen to what the security guard has to say when questioned as a witness and not what the reporter has said. |
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"I tried to think of a joke to put in this thread involving some reference to Oscar night yesterday but I can't.
Can anyone help me please?"
I was at the Oscars last night.
There was a sign on the ladies saying ......
Having a Shit Please Don't Shoot me .... |
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"I tried to think of a joke to put in this thread involving some reference to Oscar night yesterday but I can't.
Can anyone help me please?
I was at the Oscars last night.
There was a sign on the ladies saying ......
Having a Shit Please Don't Shoot me ...."
Bwahahahahahaaaaa
As always Gwan, you never let me down.
*copies and pastes for later*
This thread definitely has legs, it will run and run etc etc. |
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"I tried to think of a joke to put in this thread involving some reference to Oscar night yesterday but I can't.
Can anyone help me please?
I was at the Oscars last night.
There was a sign on the ladies saying ......
Having a Shit Please Don't Shoot me ....
Bwahahahahahaaaaa
As always Gwan, you never let me down.
*copies and pastes for later*
This thread definitely has legs, it will run and run etc etc."
And the Oscar goes to ................................................................................................. prison. |
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"I tried to think of a joke to put in this thread involving some reference to Oscar night yesterday but I can't.
Can anyone help me please?
I was at the Oscars last night.
There was a sign on the ladies saying ......
Having a Shit Please Don't Shoot me ....
Bwahahahahahaaaaa
As always Gwan, you never let me down.
*copies and pastes for later*
This thread definitely has legs, it will run and run etc etc.
And the Oscar goes to ................................................................................................. prison."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes, he is responsible for her death but it's the details of how it happened that define whether or not he's a murderer or a paranoid moron with a gun...
Either way he deserves a heavy sentence, Reeva is dead."
Too right ....
The guy killed her , on that there is no doubt .
Who is to say if a similar instance occurred again , he wouldn't do the same thing again ?
Whether it was intentional or not , she lost her life , can it realistically be considered that he should just get a slap on the wrist ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes, he is responsible for her death but it's the details of how it happened that define whether or not he's a murderer or a paranoid moron with a gun...
Either way he deserves a heavy sentence, Reeva is dead.
Too right ....
The guy killed her , on that there is no doubt .
Who is to say if a similar instance occurred again , he wouldn't do the same thing again ?
Whether it was intentional or not , she lost her life , can it realistically be considered that he should just get a slap on the wrist ? "
Happens in road accidents but there is normally a small fine and a suspension at least. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes, he is responsible for her death but it's the details of how it happened that define whether or not he's a murderer or a paranoid moron with a gun...
Either way he deserves a heavy sentence, Reeva is dead.
Too right ....
The guy killed her , on that there is no doubt .
Who is to say if a similar instance occurred again , he wouldn't do the same thing again ?
Whether it was intentional or not , she lost her life , can it realistically be considered that he should just get a slap on the wrist ?
Happens in road accidents but there is normally a small fine and a suspension at least. "
This is very true indeed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I tried to think of a joke to put in this thread involving some reference to Oscar night yesterday but I can't.
Can anyone help me please?
I was at the Oscars last night.
There was a sign on the ladies saying ......
Having a Shit Please Don't Shoot me ....
Bwahahahahahaaaaa
As always Gwan, you never let me down.
*copies and pastes for later*
This thread definitely has legs, it will run and run etc etc.
And the Oscar goes to ................................................................................................. prison.
Genius! "
I've just been listening to some of the evidence. Its not as straight forward as it seems , I'm stumped already !!!!  |
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"I think he will be found guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter
he shot her in the hand which must mean she had been up at the door listening for him"
Is that supposition or conjecture?? Quite a conclusion to reach!! |
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"he hasn't got a leg to stand on sorry couldn't resist
I heard she had outdoor clothes on yet he claimed he thought she was in bed "
Maybe she was wearing a khaki camouflage outdoor onsie |
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I was about to type, try put yourself in his shoes, but that's not going to work is it… you wake up in the night thinking you have heard something, in a country that has a high burglary and homicide rate, you decide to grab your gun, your partner whom you love is usually beside you in bed. Do you pay them no attention? Do you wake them to warn them, to tell them to hide in the wardrobe or under the bed. Or do you totally ignore the fact that she is actually not in bed beside you and go around shooting through walls/doors in the hope of hitting a random stranger. Do you first contact the police so they are on their way before you go investigating further. Do you withhold the password for your iPhone that the police wish to investigate?
These are not the actions of someone with nothing to hide who has made a fatal error. |
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"I was about to type, try put yourself in his shoes, but that's not going to work is it… you wake up in the night thinking you have heard something, in a country that has a high burglary and homicide rate, you decide to grab your gun, your partner whom you love is usually beside you in bed. Do you pay them no attention? Do you wake them to warn them, to tell them to hide in the wardrobe or under the bed. Or do you totally ignore the fact that she is actually not in bed beside you and go around shooting through walls/doors in the hope of hitting a random stranger. Do you first contact the police so they are on their way before you go investigating further. Do you withhold the password for your iPhone that the police wish to investigate?
These are not the actions of someone with nothing to hide who has made a fatal error."
All plausible except the phone ? |
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"Like Abi said, if he thought there was an intruder, and his gf wasn't in bed, why didn't he shout out for her? I'd argue that was a normal thing to do. "
Agree falling asleep here lol |
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"Like Abi said, if he thought there was an intruder, and his gf wasn't in bed, why didn't he shout out for her? I'd argue that was a normal thing to do.
Agree falling asleep here lol"
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"why would an intruder go in the bathroom? they would go in a room where they could escape out of the window etc "
Exactly my point, and he must of caught on they was using the toilet, who would honestly go toilet mid way through a break and entry!! |
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"Some new evidence to be presented claims that he had d*unk a lot and was incapable of commiting the crime as he was legless.....
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He still doesn't 'stand' a chance of getting away with it |
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Please stick to the evidence and facts only !! "
His wife/girlfriend got shot and he thought it was an intruder.
...because that's what most people do is pull out a gun and shoot through the door without actually asking "who's there?" first..
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Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters |
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Please stick to the evidence and facts only !!
His wife/girlfriend got shot and he thought it was an intruder.
...because that's what most people do is pull out a gun and shoot through the door without actually asking "who's
there?" first..
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When I pull out my loaded gun from my trousers to shoot at my girlfriend I don't ask who's there I just aim at her chest or face and shoot |
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters"
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters"
Yes but you wouldn't fucking shoot someone would you?...
Or shoot through the door to kill?..
...or shoot through the door to kill/or until you hear a thud on the floor?.... |
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters
Yes but you wouldn't fucking shoot someone would you?...
Or shoot through the door to kill?..
...or shoot through the door to kill/or until you hear a thud on the floor?...."
Serious answer,I don't know because I don't own a gun,but my 2 children were fast asleep in bed and some fucker was in my house as it turned out with armed with the biggest knife from my kitchen....who knows what I would have done in panic,Im not saying I don't think Oscar was aware,I just know the panic and fear I felt at the time,rational thinking disappears |
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters"
Did you check it wasn't you other half first though? Surely only once you were aware it wasn't them, must become obvious it was an intruder unless you heard the sound of them forcing entrance.
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters
Did you check it wasn't you other half first though? Surely only once you were aware it wasn't them, must become obvious it was an intruder unless you heard the sound of them forcing entrance.
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No I did'nt as he was next to me,like I said,im only saying how I felt when there was an intruder in my house and thats all,he thought there was an intruder,if he felt the same panic then I can understand that feeling |
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"why would an intruder go in the bathroom? they would go in a room where they could escape out of the window etc "
Perhaps that's where he thought the intruder gained entry. |
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters
Yes but you wouldn't fucking shoot someone would you?...
Or shoot through the door to kill?..
...or shoot through the door to kill/or until you hear a thud on the floor?...."
I'm going to be slightly pedantic but it's relevant. After the first shot he wouldn't have heard a thud or any screaming. Firing a gun in an enclosed space once, let alone multiple times will leave you deaf for a while. |
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters
Did you check it wasn't you other half first though? Surely only once you were aware it wasn't them, must become obvious it was an intruder unless you heard the sound of them forcing entrance.
No I did'nt as he was next to me,like I said,im only saying how I felt when there was an intruder in my house and thats all,he thought there was an intruder,if he felt the same panic then I can understand that feeling "
Yes, I understand that, most of us would be pretty scared, a natural reaction.
If most people had a weapon nearby they would probably pick it up too.
That is what this Oscar guy is basing his defence of murder on though, the subtle difference is that he didn't bother to check where his girlfriend was before letting rip with a hail of bullets.
Most people, like yourself, would be freaked out but would still be aware where there partner is. If he didn't know where his partner was in the house, how could he be sure that the noises being made by the 'intruder' wasn't actually his partner. Obviously he couldn't be sure, and she is now dead.
It seems it would be his best defence against a murder charge where there was only ever the two of them in the house. There was no burglar in his house at any time, he is possibly using a fear that most people would have, and can relate to, to reduce a murder charge to manslaughter.
Hope your all fine and not suffering to much from the break in as I know people who have been burgled and it's hard to feel secure in your own home afterwards.
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters
Did you check it wasn't you other half first though? Surely only once you were aware it wasn't them, must become obvious it was an intruder unless you heard the sound of them forcing entrance.
No I did'nt as he was next to me,like I said,im only saying how I felt when there was an intruder in my house and thats all,he thought there was an intruder,if he felt the same panic then I can understand that feeling
Yes, I understand that, most of us would be pretty scared, a natural reaction.
If most people had a weapon nearby they would probably pick it up too.
That is what this Oscar guy is basing his defence of murder on though, the subtle difference is that he didn't bother to check where his girlfriend was before letting rip with a hail of bullets.
Most people, like yourself, would be freaked out but would still be aware where there partner is. If he didn't know where his partner was in the house, how could he be sure that the noises being made by the 'intruder' wasn't actually his partner. Obviously he couldn't be sure, and she is now dead.
It seems it would be his best defence against a murder charge where there was only ever the two of them in the house. There was no burglar in his house at any time, he is possibly using a fear that most people would have, and can relate to, to reduce a murder charge to manslaughter.
Hope your all fine and not suffering to much from the break in as I know people who have been burgled and it's hard to feel secure in your own home afterwards.
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Thanks Abi we're all getting back to normal now x
Sadly in this case the only other person who knew what was going on is dead,its going to be a massive theatical battle between defence and prosecution to try and come to a conclusion,Oscar has told his story he just has to hope its believed and that any evidence supports him,whether its true or not,only he knows what happened
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters
Did you check it wasn't you other half first though? Surely only once you were aware it wasn't them, must become obvious it was an intruder unless you heard the sound of them forcing entrance.
No I did'nt as he was next to me,like I said,im only saying how I felt when there was an intruder in my house and thats all,he thought there was an intruder,if he felt the same panic then I can understand that feeling
Yes, I understand that, most of us would be pretty scared, a natural reaction.
If most people had a weapon nearby they would probably pick it up too.
That is what this Oscar guy is basing his defence of murder on though, the subtle difference is that he didn't bother to check where his girlfriend was before letting rip with a hail of bullets.
Most people, like yourself, would be freaked out but would still be aware where there partner is. If he didn't know where his partner was in the house, how could he be sure that the noises being made by the 'intruder' wasn't actually his partner. Obviously he couldn't be sure, and she is now dead.
It seems it would be his best defence against a murder charge where there was only ever the two of them in the house. There was no burglar in his house at any time, he is possibly using a fear that most people would have, and can relate to, to reduce a murder charge to manslaughter.
Hope your all fine and not suffering to much from the break in as I know people who have been burgled and it's hard to feel secure in your own home afterwards.
Thanks Abi we're all getting back to normal now x
Sadly in this case the only other person who knew what was going on is dead,its going to be a massive theatical battle between defence and prosecution to try and come to a conclusion,Oscar has told his story he just has to hope its believed and that any evidence supports him,whether its true or not,only he knows what happened
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Yes but it's fun to speculate isn't it.
 If he wasn't an internationally known athlete we wouldn't be hearing a thing about it. |
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"they are trying to discredit the next door neighbours statement "
She lived 170 metres away on another housing estate, if I'm thinking about the same witness. |
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"they are trying to discredit the next door neighbours statement "
She lived 170 metres away on another housing estate, if I'm thinking about the same witness. |
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"they are trying to discredit the next door neighbours statement
She lived 170 metres away on another housing estate, if I'm thinking about the same witness.
yes that's the one"
She was a long way away so they're going to play on that, on a quiet night sound carries. I'm sure they will have carried out simulations which will get brought up. |
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"Having woken up to find intruders in our house a few weeks ago I can safely say that asking who's there is not the first thing that goes through your head
Confusion
Fear
Blind panic for starters
Yes but you wouldn't fucking shoot someone would you?...
Or shoot through the door to kill?..
...or shoot through the door to kill/or until you hear a thud on the floor?....
Serious answer,I don't know because I don't own a gun,but my 2 children were fast asleep in bed and some fucker was in my house as it turned out with armed with the biggest knife from my kitchen....who knows what I would have done in panic,Im not saying I don't think Oscar was aware,I just know the panic and fear I felt at the time,rational thinking disappears "
Years ago we had an intruder and I was frozen with fear. |
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A few years ago I was woken by the biggest bang I jumped out of bed ran down stairs as I got in the living room the security light came on in the back garden I shouted come here you bastard I ran went to jump over the couch as I did my foot hit the couch and I went flying I stood up and realised the French doors were still locked and no one was their shocked as I didn't know what the bang was I made my way back to bed after having a good look round I walked up the stair and past my daughters room where on the floor was the new 30in tv I had put on the wall earlier that night not good.
Anyway what am trying to say is if anyone came into my house and I got my hands on them I would KILL them that's for sure |
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there is just 1 fact that will either hang him, or free him.
did he have his legs on.
if he did, then he had time to consider what he was doing.
if he didnt then there is a chance the jury will believe his defence.
i dont think this fact has been clearly and concisely decried either way |
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on the subject of the night, and events, IF he was alone, and heard a noise in his apartment, he was well within his rights to take whatever action he deemed appropriate.
however, he was not
he was there with his girlfriend.
dont know about anyone else, but my first action when waking in the middle of the night is to see if V is next to me in bed (if we are together at the time)
if she is not, then investigation takes place.
however, pistorius isnt in a position to be walking around his home, obviously.
i just dont know.
i hope it was jsut a terrible accident, for all involved, but there is a bit of me that says he is/was a deeply suspicious man, with very paranoid feelings (he sleeps with a gun within grabbing distance ffs) in a walled complex. |
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"A few years ago I was woken by the biggest bang I jumped out of bed ran down stairs as I got in the living room the security light came on in the back garden I shouted come here you bastard I ran went to jump over the couch as I did my foot hit the couch and I went flying I stood up and realised the French doors were still locked and no one was their shocked as I didn't know what the bang was I made my way back to bed after having a good look round I walked up the stair and past my daughters room where on the floor was the new 30in tv I had put on the wall earlier that night not good.
Anyway what am trying to say is if anyone came into my house and I got my hands on them I would KILL them that's for sure "
What you are really trying to say is your crap at DIY |
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"A few years ago I was woken by the biggest bang I jumped out of bed ran down stairs as I got in the living room the security light came on in the back garden I shouted come here you bastard I ran went to jump over the couch as I did my foot hit the couch and I went flying I stood up and realised the French doors were still locked and no one was their shocked as I didn't know what the bang was I made my way back to bed after having a good look round I walked up the stair and past my daughters room where on the floor was the new 30in tv I had put on the wall earlier that night not good.
Anyway what am trying to say is if anyone came into my house and I got my hands on them I would KILL them that's for sure
What you are really trying to say is your crap at DIY"
Ye I am as well always better to pay someone |
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Odd. I watched a minute or two when a friend was being grilled. She kept saying 'my Lady' to the man who interrogated her. Is that normal in SA if the Judge is a woman? I mean - she (the Judge) didn't say or ask anything. |
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"Odd. I watched a minute or two when a friend was being grilled. She kept saying 'my Lady' to the man who interrogated her. Is that normal in SA if the Judge is a woman? I mean - she (the Judge) didn't say or ask anything."
Even in the UK a witness addresses their reply to the judge, not the lawyer who asks the question. |
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