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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Anybody been following the developments , do you think Russia is right in their actions? Do you think other western nations will step in if need be ? WW3 a possibility ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it will only get worse from now but very much doubt it will arise to a world war! But hey not much that we can do if it does, end of the day we are a fighting breed, one of out natural instincts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the situation was created by the eu encouraging the dissidents to rise up against the elected govenment in favour of the eu. russia are the ones defending the democraticly elected govenment,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have all heard how bad the financial situation is in the UK, we have seen an 11% payrise for MP's along with benefit cuts. Now we hear William Hague speaking on behalf of the British people to no doubt spend even more money. Its about time the politicians got the country out of the mess they claim we are in by using Tax Payers money on this countries issues and not those of other countries. Let the EU fund any action that is decided not keep dumping on us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Willy and condom ...sorry I mean William and Cameron remember we're broke ...I'm not actually sure it's any if our business ...let Russia sort it out ..frankly we can't afford it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Quote"I think it will only get worse from now but very much doubt it will arise to a world war! But hey not much that we can do if it does, end of the day we are a fighting breed, one of out natural instincts"

The fighting breed that was once found in this country have left and those that remain are now a minority and those are becoming part timers. Sorry stop this war I have done my 16 hours!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Willy and condom ...sorry I mean William and Cameron remember we're broke ...I'm not actually sure it's any if our business ...let Russia sort it out ..frankly we can't afford it. "

The UK signed an agreement to ensure the territorial integrity of the Ukraine, with the EU, the US and Russia.

Russia are not provoking just the Ukraine. They are provoking the agreement. Howeve, I don't see the UK retaliating. The UK are interested in the Russian gas they provide to us.

Since I have friends and colleagues there. I am worried about them, their families and their children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"the situation was created by the eu encouraging the dissidents to rise up against the elected govenment in favour of the eu. russia are the ones defending the democraticly elected govenment,"

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

churchill would have sent a gunboat but we got rid of them

thatcher would of sent a carrier but we have to borrow one from the french now

we will sit on the sidelines with wee willy hague trumpeting his usual nonsense and putin will do as he wants

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

This has been heavily planned, can't believe how quick and easy it happened.

Hopefully the ukranian people get what they want.

The are against two rocks

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Don't you just hate it when neighbours fall out so publicly? If the Ukrainians had any sense they'd plant a big fuck off leylandii hedge along the border with Russia just to keep the buggers out.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

if you keep pushing the Russian 'bear', dont be surprised if he reacts..

given the military bases in the crimea and other parts of the Ukraine this was only going to end in tears..

Russia will annex what they feel necessary and we will sit back and talk about sanctions, were too reliant on Russian gas..

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

This does need superpower interventions in order to prevent the potential for a Balkans like conflict.

Ukraine might well be an independent country but it has split loyalties simply because it has for so long been closely associated with Russia.

There are people who want to retain the protective support of Russia and there are others who have never forgiven the Russians for the Holodomor and want to be as far away from Russia as possible.

The logical outcome would be to split Ukraine by choice before it happens after thousands of deaths.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"the situation was created by the eu encouraging the dissidents to rise up against the elected govenment in favour of the eu. russia are the ones defending the democraticly elected govenment,"

nice spin... but the actual catalyst for the demonstrations was the fact the then president nixed a 35 Eillion dollar trade deal with the EU at the last moment for a 9 Billion dollar "bailout" from Russia instead

we have seen this move from russia before to annex under the guise of "protecting russia speakers".. see the conflict in georgia in 2008... georgia made the mistake of trying to fight and got crushed.....

notice they never said "russian citizens".... just russian speakers....

Russia will now try and destablise the eastern half of the country....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Fabio, say Alaska becomes populated by the inuit to the point where they are the majority and they decide to form closer ties with Russia..

how do you think the White House would view that..

Ukraine is in the east and thiss is Russia saying to the West 'stop, thats far enough'..

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"churchill would have sent a gunboat but we got rid of them

thatcher would of sent a carrier but we have to borrow one from the french now

....."

If you stand at the Tail of the Bank over the next few days you'll hear the request certain to bring fear to our enemies - "more steam McPhail".

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Fabio, say Alaska becomes populated by the inuit to the point where they are the majority and they decide to form closer ties with Russia..

how do you think the White House would view that..

Ukraine is in the east and thiss is Russia saying to the West 'stop, thats far enough'.."

with regards to alaska, you would have bet that any american govt would have moved troops and materials out there quicker than the russian...

the more interesting battle may now actually be in eastern siberia... where most of the population speak chinese... so it will be interesting to see if china sit back and use the "russian excuse" to grab a lot of the oil fields.....

for ukraine, the problem is its not as simple as that...

the eastern half looks towards russia.... the western half has always looks toward the likes of poland and this is why there are issues...

there is nothing the US is going to do about crimea... by the time nato thought about it, russia would have flooded the place with planes and troops....

russia have outflanked the west on this one,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No western power will take on the Russian Federation, unless they have their own backs against the wall, so Putin will go where he feels he wants to.

Hitler went into the Sudetenland to "protect" German speakers. Putin has done the same for Russian speaking Ukranians. It will be appeasement or WW3 if not handled very carefully. I sincerely hope they can sort it without conflict.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple over a year ago

Thornaby

"the situation was created by the eu encouraging the dissidents to rise up against the elected govenment in favour of the eu. russia are the ones defending the democraticly elected govenment,"

Utter bolloxs. The Ukraine has been trying to get away from Russia for the best part of 400 years.

And as for democratic, you are speaking of some new interesting form of democracy that involves rigging elections.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"No western power will take on the Russian Federation, unless they have their own backs against the wall, so Putin will go where he feels he wants to.

the real question is "where is next."

crimea was always autonomous from ukraine (in the way they have there own parliament as the scots do to westminster) this was a land grab and protect the huge bases they have there for the black sea fleet (which funny enough ukraine just agreed an extension of allowing the russians to stay there till 2042, and no one minded or argued against it)

so eastern ukraine..... possibly parts of belarus next..... the baltic countries are worries enough to call on the Nato protocols for an emergency meeting

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"No western power will take on the Russian Federation, unless they have their own backs against the wall, so Putin will go where he feels he wants to.

the real question is "where is next."

so eastern ukraine..... possibly parts of belarus next..... the baltic countries are worries enough to call on the Nato protocols for an emergency meeting "

Or any small country with virtually no armed forces and no membership of NATO or the EU?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No western power will take on the Russian Federation, unless they have their own backs against the wall, so Putin will go where he feels he wants to.

the real question is "where is next."

so eastern ukraine..... possibly parts of belarus next..... the baltic countries are worries enough to call on the Nato protocols for an emergency meeting "

Eastern Ukraine for certain. I am sure he will find a reason to invade other areas as well encouraged by the lack of response. After Ukraine we have Moldova and Bulgaria. Probably have to wait for Greece to be invaded before anyone sparks.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"No western power will take on the Russian Federation, unless they have their own backs against the wall, so Putin will go where he feels he wants to.

the real question is "where is next."

so eastern ukraine..... possibly parts of belarus next..... the baltic countries are worries enough to call on the Nato protocols for an emergency meeting

Much of the EU would be delighted to see the back of Greece.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hague can chirp away as much as he likes. Vlad isn't going to be that worried about it.

We don't have the military capability to do much about it. We haven't done much in Syria because the Russians are sat on the other side of the fence. It's one thing going into Iraq and Afghanistan but banging heads with Russia I can't see happening. They may not have the next generation armaments of the USA but they generally have lots of it and are still a major power when you look at the amount of nukes they have. A lot of the time when we intervene it doesn't solve the problems, more of a band aid with the problem festering underneath.

Does anyone think that when we pull out of Afghanistan shortly we are going to be leaving a stable country?

Even if there is no involvement we may find are gas supplies are threatened, especially if the supply pipe is going through the Ukraine. Pipelines are notoriously hard to secure effectively.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Fabio, say Alaska becomes populated by the inuit to the point where they are the majority and they decide to form closer ties with Russia..

how do you think the White House would view that..

Ukraine is in the east and thiss is Russia saying to the West 'stop, thats far enough'..

with regards to alaska, you would have bet that any american govt would have moved troops and materials out there quicker than the russian...

for ukraine, the problem is its not as simple as that...

the eastern half looks towards russia.... the western half has always looks toward the likes of poland and this is why there are issues...

there is nothing the US is going to do about crimea... by the time nato thought about it, russia would have flooded the place with planes and troops....

russia have outflanked the west on this one, "

agreed..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ukraine calling up reservists…

Didn't the USSR leave some old nuclear weapons lying around when they left?

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By *himanMan over a year ago

chichester

Russia get out or else bloody commies !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ukraine calling up reservists…

Didn't the USSR leave some old nuclear weapons lying around when they left?"

Oh no, they sent them back to Russia, after signing a memorandum with the UK USA and Russia pledging to respect Ukrainian territory.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no chance of a world war on the back of this as Russia is simply too powerful for Europe to consider taking on. The US will make noises but won't get involved,

The only thing that will stop Russia is Russia, but not until they have taken what they want. The Crimea for them is strategically one of the most important areas in the World. Putin will never allow it to not be under Russian control.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Russia get out or else bloody commies !!"

Commies?

Or else what??

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"There is no chance of a world war on the back of this as Russia is simply too powerful for Europe to consider taking on. The US will make noises but won't get involved,

The US may have no choice. If this little local difficulty spreads to threaten a NATO state, the US will HAVE to get involved or NATO is finished.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Guess when a KGB man takes command of the Kremlin and then subverts the russian constitution in order to keep power its only a matter of time until his Stalinist roots end in war...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It looks like it is going to kick off in a major way, rather scary.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It looks like it is going to kick off in a major way, rather scary."

I'm avoiding the news for now. It's all moving so quickly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It has the potential to get very out of hand. I hope common sense prevails across the board, but I'm afraid I trust neither Putin or Obama.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hope the Russians don't do too much damage to Ikea.

Anyone catch the recorded call of the US spokeswoman a week or two ago saying as to how the US were agitating in Ukraine to get them onboard including her classic phrase....."and fuck Europe."

Wish i'd kept the link.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

you're more likely to see a 'cold war, take 2' over these issues. the u.s. could intervene, in the sense of having the logistics but the domestic support for any further conflict is lacking. putin won't back down. not over the ukraine, syria, gay rights, or snowden....until snowden is no longer of use them i imagine he will likely just disappear. i don't think he will directly engage the west though. with nukes the strategy gets more complex. the u.s. and uk survived for decades without Russian resources, so i don't think that will be a major issue in the decision making process. without the income from those resources being sold in the west, it's possible Russia could suffer but only nominally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Meanwhile, existing wars rage in Africa.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Meanwhile, existing wars rage in Africa.

Not sure I get the link?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Meanwhile, existing wars rage in Africa.

they do and have done for a while, they dont have icbm's which tends to up the ante..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Russia always seem open to nuclear threats but I doubt it will go down to it! But by the sounds of it the US are being very pre-cautious

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If china jumps in the mix then that's when it things get messy. They ain't rampin

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"churchill would have sent a gunboat but we got rid of them

thatcher would of sent a carrier but we have to borrow one from the french now

we will sit on the sidelines with wee willy hague trumpeting his usual nonsense and putin will do as he wants "

Dear, dear, dear; neither of them did, could or ever had the balls to!! A comedy post, no doubt!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Predictable that Russia would go into the Crimea when you consider the strategic importance to them.

If we are honest many nations would do the same in their position.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

Russia has just given a 12h deadline or military intervention will be made into the Ukraine. UK has said they will not enter into military action.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

WW3 my ass!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It'll be a local war in which no one else will want to get involved.

The Russians want the Crimean peninsula, looks like they're going to get it.

The UK and USA will look toothless as they have signed a memorandum with Russia to respect Ukrainian territories after the Ukraine returned all the Nukes left over from the USSR days,something they may be regretting about now.

Some Poles think we're unwilling to put our money where our mouths are after what happened during and after WW2, now the Ukrainians will too. No point signing treaties and memorandums with us if we are not prepared to do much of anything when the shit hits the fan. Hague's condemnations really doesn't mean shit. He may as well save his breath.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

russian oil

russian gas

the UK would be silly to get involved in stopping Putin carry through his masterplan of reuniting the old USSR

but we will, and we will have rolling blackouts and shortages of all kinds, and America will carry on as usual because they dont rely on russian imports as much as we, and the rest of Europe do, so its ok for them to pick a fight.

would have been much better that, over the last 20/30 years, we had developed or found our own energy sources rather than get closer to being owned by russia and their democraticly elected overlords......take from that what you will.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good reason for the government to get cracking with shale gas then…

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"russian oil

russian gas

the UK would be silly to get involved in stopping Putin carry through his masterplan of reuniting the old USSR

would have been much better that, over the last 20/30 years, we had developed or found our own energy sources rather than get closer to being owned by russia and their democraticly elected

overlords......take from that what you will."

Stop that, - you're starting to make sense!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"russian oil

russian gas

the UK would be silly to get involved in stopping Putin carry through his masterplan of reuniting the old USSR

would have been much better that, over the last 20/30 years, we had developed or found our own energy sources rather than get closer to being owned by russia and their democratically elected

overlords......take from that what you will.

Stop that, - you're starting to make sense!!!

i know.

sorry lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Someone actually stated earlier that we cannot interfere because we no longer have gunboats or carriers............. watches too much tv/movies, I fear!

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By *exywheelsCouple over a year ago

inverness

Serbia 1914. Hungary 1956. Czechoslovakia 1968.

Ukraina 2014 ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Serbia 1914. Hungary 1956. Czechoslovakia 1968.

Ukraina 2014 ?"

Is this the eurovision song contest?

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple over a year ago

markinch

Good on the russians for protecting their own bordersand their people, mainly for not lying down to the yanks when they snap their fingers. Every country is the same in relation to land , no too long ago we were on verge of a war over the falklands, again.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Good on the russians for protecting their own bordersand their people, mainly for not lying down to the yanks when they snap their fingers. Every country is the same in relation to land , no too long ago we were on verge of a war over the falklands, again. "

erm....it's not there land... hasn't been since 1954 whey THEY gave it away....

and besides crimea has its own parliament and is an automonous region....

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple over a year ago

markinch

erm....it's not there land... hasn't been since 1954 whey THEY gave it away....

and besides crimea has its own parliament and is an automonous region....

Didnt say it was their land,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On the verge of war in the Falklands? Did I miss something?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

erm....it's not there land... hasn't been since 1954 whey THEY gave it away....

and besides crimea has its own parliament and is an automonous region....

Didnt say it was their land,

In that case have they not overstepped their borders?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Didnt say it was their land,

In that case have they not overstepped their borders?

You wouldn't put electric fencing inside the building it was suppose to protect

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

erm....it's not there land... hasn't been since 1954 whey THEY gave it away....

and besides crimea has its own parliament and is an automonous region....

Didnt say it was their land,

okay... but since you said they are protecting their border... and the only border that crimea has is with ukraine and russia.... its still going to be a russia/ukraine border.....

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple over a year ago

markinch

On the verge of war in the Falklands? Did I miss something?

Obv

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

not sure why Russia called this meeting of the UN Security Council... they have been getting the international version of a cerebral kicking....

have to say it is a fascinating watch though......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On the verge of war in the Falklands? Did I miss something?

Obv"

In the Falklands they aloud the people of the island to vote who should own it after though, I think the votes came to something ridiculous like 99% voted for us and 1% for the Argentinians so we was there rightfully

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On the verge of war in the Falklands? Did I miss something?

Obv"

I'm not so sure that Argentina moaning to the UN can really be classified as 'on the verge of war'

Did their navy put to sea? Were their aircraft making incursions into Falkland Island airspace? Did they threaten to invade again? Err no.

They have had an invasion of Calafate though, I don't think that counts though.

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple over a year ago

markinch

On the verge of war in the Falklands? Did I miss something?

Obv

I'm not so sure that Argentina moaning to the UN can really be classified as 'on the verge of war'

Did their navy put to sea? Were their aircraft making incursions into Falkland Island airspace? Did they threaten to invade again? Err no.

They have had an invasion of Calafate though, I don't think that counts though."

Did we put men on the island , did we send war ships down to the island, just making sure no one else moved in , ooo thats what russias doing .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Rather strange watching the recent spate of documentaries about the Great War and here we are with the same region of the world potentially leading us into a period of conflict. We are powerless to stop Putin doing as he wishes and I only hope that sense prevails, but I can see this getting messy. Strikes me that a vast proportion of those in the East of Ukraine and in Crimea see themselves as Russian while those in the West of Ukraine see themselves as independent and more closely alligned to the EU and western culture, surely the ballot box should be the arbiter?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On the verge of war in the Falklands? Did I miss something?

Obv

I'm not so sure that Argentina moaning to the UN can really be classified as 'on the verge of war'

Did their navy put to sea? Were their aircraft making incursions into Falkland Island airspace? Did they threaten to invade again? Err no.

They have had an invasion of Calafate though, I don't think that counts though.

Did we put men on the island , did we send war ships down to the island, just making sure no one else moved in , ooo thats what russias doing . "
aka standing royal navy deployment. It was in the news because it was our newest type of frigate.

Ships have been patrolling there since they invaded last time. Our most modern aircraft (Typhoons at present) have been based at the airbase there since the last time they invaded. Marines and soldiers have been based there since they invaded last time.

There is a subtle difference between us defending and them attacking.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Maybe just as well we've got a few spare submarines.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe just as well we've got a few spare submarines."

Best to keep out of the argument if we want to keep them, then!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it will come tk nothing.

Russia cannot afford to go back to the old isolationist policys.They have business interests aligned with theb west and want /need to keep earning those £, £ & $'s.

Unfortunately it is causing turmoil in the financial markets so our pensions and investments are being hamjered once again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Agree, although I think that maybe the best thing would be for the Ukraine to split & be done with it.

It's not only Russia that can't afford another cold war & there certainly isn't a country on the planet who can afford a war with Russia - let alone win one!!

It'll die down........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not sure what to make of it. Read a lot of stuff, saw a lot of videos of previous stuff all resulting in war.

Several different reasons.

Population of the world to big so wide out most by going to war/destroying food growth.

Economic collapse of the dollar is very near which a lot predict results in war.

Feel like the US have been waiting for a reason, if it Russia, Syria, North Korea etc.

Our government doesnt care about us and never will, after all they allowing fracking for a start and if you believe thats safe, your an idiot.

Putin flexing his muscles earlier with those tests, less than 3hrs til the so called deadline.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But just like back in the cold war days, both the US & Russia have the ammunition to blow each other up several times over - & guess what? - it never happened for that very reason!

How stupid would they be?

Plus, although I agree with your overpopulation vs food statement, that's hardly the US or Russia's problem, - they suffer from neither!!

It'll fizzle out, - maybe after a new line is drawn through Ukraine.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"But just like back in the cold war days, both the US & Russia have the ammunition to blow each other up several times over - & guess what? - it never happened for that very reason!

How stupid would they be?

........."

That sounds like a pretty good argument for having weapons "we'll never use".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But just like back in the cold war days, both the US & Russia have the ammunition to blow each other up several times over - & guess what? - it never happened for that very reason!

How stupid would they be?

Plus, although I agree with your overpopulation vs food statement, that's hardly the US or Russia's problem, - they suffer from neither!!

It'll fizzle out, - maybe after a new line is drawn through Ukraine."

Mutually assured destruction. They won't bang heads together, they'll just fight wars by proxy. The USA may provide cash, arms and equipment to the Ukrainians, given the time, that's about it though.

The Russians have caught the west napping in the middle of a recession. Don't know how the recession has effected Russia but the do have a huge gas and oil revenue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But just like back in the cold war days, both the US & Russia have the ammunition to blow each other up several times over - & guess what? - it never happened for that very reason!

How stupid would they be?

.........

That sounds like a pretty good argument for having weapons "we'll never use"."

If one side has them, the other side needs them. Do you trust everyone enough to believe they don't have them.

We could just parade around with some pointy tubes though and say we have them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well, that was the original argument - 'the deterrent', & the one of the arguments for a unified Europe, from memory, but most of the world doesn't have nukes - or war neither!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, that was the original argument - 'the deterrent', & the one of the arguments for a unified Europe, from memory, but most of the world doesn't have nukes - or war neither!

There is an awful lot of tension in the world though, on most of the continents.

Australasia being one that I can think of, that as far as I'm aware doesn't have much in the way of any disputes. Unless you count Antarctica, being a country free continent.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Europe seems to be okay (excluding Ukraine

, North America (excluding Mexico

, most South American countries............

There won't be a world war over this, - that would be too stupid, imo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Europe seems to be okay (excluding Ukraine

, North America (excluding Mexico

, most South American countries............

There won't be a world war over this, - that would be too stupid, imo"

I'd say excluding USA and Mexico…

Canada seems to keep itself to itself fairly well.

As you say though no world war, no one wants that.

As an ex KGB there's who knows how far Putin will go though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think he still is the head of the 'unofficial' KGB - lol.

Maybe they'll retake Crimea? No one can afford another WW - but although the world is arguably safer than, say, 30 or 40 years ago, the financial power has definitely changed - & the US military is concentrating more in the South-western Pacific now - because of China, I guess.

Maybe that's one of the reasons why

Putin is testing the water????

He's an evil bastard, that's for sure!!

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple over a year ago

markinch

On the verge of war in the Falklands? Did I miss something?

Obv

I'm not so sure that Argentina moaning to the UN can really be classified as 'on the verge of war'

Did their navy put to sea? Were their aircraft making incursions into Falkland Island airspace? Did they threaten to invade again? Err no.

They have had an invasion of Calafate though, I don't think that counts though.

Did we put men on the island , did we send war ships down to the island, just making sure no one else moved in , ooo thats what russias doing . aka standing royal navy deployment. It was in the news because it was our newest type of frigate.

There is a subtle difference between us defending and them attacking. "

Indeed there is, but who have russia attacked, Errr no one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My understanding is that there has been no invasion....yet.

Russia has a treaty with crimes allowing them to station up to 25000 troops there....currently around 16000.

No invasion until a Russian troop leaves the crimes region into another part of Ukraine and no treaty on the respect of territorial boundaries has been broken.

Still, it is a tricky situation, and as already stated previously, the west is never going to prod or bait the Russian bear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My understanding is that there has been no invasion....yet.

Russia has a treaty with crimes allowing them to station up to 25000 troops there....currently around 16000.

No invasion until a Russian troop leaves the crimes region into another part of Ukraine and no treaty on the respect of territorial boundaries has been broken.

Still, it is a tricky situation, and as already stated previously, the west is never going to prod or bait the Russian bear."

If all the US military in the UK started surrounding our military bases and parking their trucks across RAF runways would they be seen to be acting in the spirit of any treaties? The Russian troops have been firing warning shots at unarmed Ukrainian forces.

If the Ukrainian political system wasn't such a mess in the first place maybe the situation would be different. Do we as members of the EU want to fund another dysfunctional Eastern European country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Russia will see sense and make a tactical withdrawal. They cannot mess about with the West as they have the 2018 world cup!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Russia has test fired a ICBM

They notified the US earlier in the week so it wasn't a surprise to them, they've had this missile in service since 1988, so a bit late to be testing it now, unless they're checking they still work…

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

erm....it's not there land... hasn't been since 1954 whey THEY gave it away....

and besides crimea has its own parliament and is an automonous region....

There is also a bloody history between the russians and the Crimean tatars. So the russians are provoking them and the Ukrainians. I have to give them credit for not reacting.

If you are going to compare this to the British I'd say it is putting armed British soldiers in a country that is independent of the British empire after a massacre of the native people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

From a BBC article today :

"Under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the US, Russia, Ukraine and the UK agreed not to threaten or use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. They also pledged never to use economic coercion to subordinate Ukraine to their own interest."

Economic coercion?

Yo, Obama, twat.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"From a BBC article today :

Economic coercion?

Yo, Obama, twat. "

which side you accusing of economic coercion? out of curiousity

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By *ecor atorMan over a year ago

York

I heard a Russian guy on the radio say- 'the west needs to know that to interfere had the potential to open the gates of Hell'

I shit um!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"From a BBC article today :

Economic coercion?

Yo, Obama, twat.

which side you accusing of economic coercion? out of curiousity"

Am i accusing anyone?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies."

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources. "

Yeah but unless you got access to the big space station, then we're kinda fucked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources. "

Shouldn't the Ukrainians have a say? The people, not the politicians.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources.

Shouldn't the Ukrainians have a say? The people, not the politicians. "

They choose their politicians, 10% of whom are their equivalent of the BNP, Should they decide to join the EU, not really, they could choose to apply for membership. If they get membership it will be costly for the rest of the EU.

Their last President had her fingers in the till.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources.

Shouldn't the Ukrainians have a say? The people, not the politicians.

Their last President had her fingers in the till. "

It isn't about the joining the EU or Russia. The Ukraine is not for the russians to take. There may be a corrupt parliament/president. But isn't that why they revolted and had a revolution over a weekend.

However I realised today after speaking to my friends in Kiev. The rest of the world is more worried about the Ukraine than the people in Kiev. They also told me that their friends in Crimea is less worried than my friends in Kiev.

What can we believe in the news?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources.

Shouldn't the Ukrainians have a say? The people, not the politicians.

Their last President had her fingers in the till.

What can we believe in the news? "

True, but who is going to risk going up against Russia?

Isn't the USA trying to topple the government in Venezuela at the moment? Not invading but still trying to stick their noses in where it is neither wanted or needed.

I don't agree with what the Russians are doing, but then I don't agree with our own recent incursions into Afghanistan etc.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

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"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources.

Shouldn't the Ukrainians have a say? The people, not the politicians.

Their last President had her fingers in the till.

What can we believe in the news? "

Well they didn't really have a revolution and most of the people didn't revolt.

It was highly organised and funded by outside sources.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bring on the nukes already.

Thin out the numbers.

World's over populated as it is.

Fingers crossed for zombies.

Always preferable to leave the planet inhabitable after thinning the numbers out a bit though.

Let the Russians have Ukraine, it will be just another drain on EU resources.

Shouldn't the Ukrainians have a say? The people, not the politicians.

Their last President had her fingers in the till.

What can we believe in the news?

True, but who is going to risk going up against Russia?

Isn't the USA trying to topple the government in Venezuela at the moment? Not invading but still trying to stick their noses in where it is neither wanted or needed.

I don't agree with what the Russians are doing, but then I don't agree with our own recent incursions into Afghanistan etc. "

I wouldn't go against Russia myself.

It is always difficult with politics. It depends on what the government wants. The US financed the military coup in Chile, where some of my family were tortured and exiled. They were labeled terrorists, because they wanted to keep free schools for all children, protect the national resources from privatisation. But in other countries they condemn the same actions from a different country and see the people who fight so heroes but have done atrocities to innocent people.

So it is hard to know who to support, who to believe or to make a difference. I would question why there is interests of the UK and the US government.

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