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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I see those two scum bags have been jailed for 'life' and will die in prison...well lets all hope thats sooner rather than longer!! then we can give the millions of pounds saved to Help the Hero's instead  |
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"I see those two scum bags have been jailed for 'life' and will die in prison...well lets all hope thats sooner rather than longer!! then we can give the millions of pounds saved to Help the Hero's instead "
Quite ironic that you think the money should be given to a charity that shouldn't have to exist and was causal in his death. |
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over a year ago
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Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
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The innocent civilian victims of Iraq/Afghanistan maybe????  |
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!! "
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k |
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k"
Sorry, £120k, not £170 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
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A crime just as vile and unjustifiable as the killing of Lee Rigby. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know 120K sound a crazy amount but thats what a google search found? anyway 120K or £1.20 its still too much for those two! "
Try actually reading the links rather than plucking the highest number you can see. |
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"I see those two scum bags have been jailed for 'life' and will die in prison...well lets all hope thats sooner rather than longer!! then we can give the millions of pounds saved to Help the Hero's instead "
dont get this 'lets all hope'in relation to someone's death..
do you think if we collectively all 'hope' then this will happen..
taking pleasure in anyones demise is a bit sad.. |
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k
Sorry, £120k, not £170"
I think you will find that it costs about £70,000 to keep a prisoner in a 'dispersal' prison (that is what used to be called 'cat A and AA'). It is a lot, but as a 'cat B' prisoner costs about £40,000 a year (thats most of them) it is not that much more to pay for our security. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I used to be pro capital punishment, until I actually researched it, and read around the whole area (Michael portillo did an excellent documentary on this), and have to say I'm now Chinley against it.
anyway, that said, I'm very happy to have those two wannabe publicity seeking fools behind bars indefinitely, with every moment a realisation that their life is utterly pointless, will never change, and after a few years, mostly forgotten as an irrelevance by the general population.
if delivering that as a punishment costs a few million, I consider that a bargain. it's just a shame they won't live to 200.
(now, where do iI insert my 2 cents? hehe) |
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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"Bring back the death penalty then we wouldn't as tax payers have to pay for low life scum such as theese. "
normally I would agree but they want to die
let them have the despair and living with no future and no hope .. that's justice |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
A crime just as vile and unjustifiable as the killing of Lee Rigby."
not quite the same though is it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Think you will find most cost per prisoner figures include the cost of the prison and all its staff divided by the number of prisoners.
In that case it gets more expensive the less people we put in them.
Whole life and 45 years minimum seems about right, there is no re habitability with these two. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k
Sorry, £120k, not £170
I think you will find that it costs about £70,000 to keep a prisoner in a 'dispersal' prison (that is what used to be called 'cat A and AA'). It is a lot, but as a 'cat B' prisoner costs about £40,000 a year (thats most of them) it is not that much more to pay for our security."
Dispersal prison is an older term for what is now called a category A prison. Never heard of a category AA prison though. |
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Rehabilitation as a generic idea does not work for offending. The have been trying to find effective methods for well over a hundred years and nothing has had a significant effect.
It would be wrong for people to think of prison as a place of rehabilitation, it's sole purpose, and one which it fulfils well, is keeping those sent to prison away from the rest of society.
Prison, as a concept, works.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals. |
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals. "
And there was me thinking that the punishment was having your freedom removed 
As for the previous poster, I would like to point out that the Scandinavian countries seem to have found a way to get their reoffending rates down to about 20%. So maybe the problem is not with the criminals but with how we treat them...
Just an idea... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
The innocent civilian victims of Iraq/Afghanistan maybe???? "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I used to be pro capital punishment, until I actually researched it, and read around the whole area (Michael portillo did an excellent documentary on this), and have to say I'm now Chinley against it.
anyway, that said, I'm very happy to have those two wannabe publicity seeking fools behind bars indefinitely, with every moment a realisation that their life is utterly pointless, will never change, and after a few years, mostly forgotten as an irrelevance by the general population.
if delivering that as a punishment costs a few million, I consider that a bargain. it's just a shame they won't live to 200.
(now, where do iI insert my 2 cents? hehe) "
Couldn't agree more. I personally don't agree with the death penalty, I don't believe this to be any form of punishment for the offender, but more for the offenders family who not only have to come to terms with their crime and the shame but also then their death too.
I think it's easy in the case of Lee Rigby to demand or want his murderers to be put to death but let's not forget that their extremist views mean that they want to be martyrs and die, therefore killing them would be granting their wishes which surely is not want we want them to have.
These two need to be locked away for life and life should mean just that.
They shouldn't be given privileges and be allowed to live in better conditions then what poverty stricken people live in but sadly with the constant argument over human rights I think these two will be very comfortable, albeit maybe for a long time.
Wouldn't surprise me if they got out in 30 years to be honest as laws and regulations over parole seem to be forever changing in favour of the criminal.
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals. "
would it be safe to assume you did'nt work in rehabilitating the holiday camp inmates..? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals. "
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals. "
Holiday camp? I think you can leave a holiday camp of your on free will whenever you like. The punishment is the removal of liberty. Treat them like animals and we'll forever be having riots and rebuilding prisons.
I don't think the Xbox is in the welcome pack is it?
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway."
is'nt dental treatment also free for retired folks and children under a certain age..? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway.
is'nt dental treatment also free for retired folks and children under a certain age..?"
No free dental treatment for pensioners. |
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway.
is'nt dental treatment also free for retired folks and children under a certain age..?
No free dental treatment for pensioners."
so pensioners and children dont get free dental treatment via the NHS..?
when did that change..? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway.
is'nt dental treatment also free for retired folks and children under a certain age..?
No free dental treatment for pensioners."
Some can get free treatment, depending on income. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway.
is'nt dental treatment also free for retired folks and children under a certain age..?
No free dental treatment for pensioners.
so pensioners and children dont get free dental treatment via the NHS..?
when did that change..?"
Without trying to lighten the tone. A prison full of people who don't want to be there is bad enough.
A prison full of people with toothache who don't want to be there is a recipe for a riot. |
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway.
is'nt dental treatment also free for retired folks and children under a certain age..?
No free dental treatment for pensioners.
Some can get free treatment, depending on income."
thanks for clarifying..
suppose to save money we should let them get all abscessed up and then have them treated with expensive anti biotics and possibly more dental surgery..
that'll help.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rehabilitation as a generic idea does not work for offending. The have been trying to find effective methods for well over a hundred years and nothing has had a significant effect.
It would be wrong for people to think of prison as a place of rehabilitation, it's sole purpose, and one which it fulfils well, is keeping those sent to prison away from the rest of society.
Prison, as a concept, works.
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Considering re-offending rates it is very short sighted to say prison works.
And Scandinavia seem pretty good at rehabilitating it's prisoners, how does that fit with your claim that rehabilitation has never been a success? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Im just glad they are going away for a long time, they obviously didnt like it according to the news. But i reckon they will get "prisoners" justice when in there.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rehabilitation as a generic idea does not work for offending. The have been trying to find effective methods for well over a hundred years and nothing has had a significant effect.
It would be wrong for people to think of prison as a place of rehabilitation, it's sole purpose, and one which it fulfils well, is keeping those sent to prison away from the rest of society.
Prison, as a concept, works.
Considering re-offending rates it is very short sighted to say prison works.
And Scandinavia seem pretty good at rehabilitating it's prisoners, how does that fit with your claim that rehabilitation has never been a success?"
There has been a variety of different approaches to rehabilitation in the past and none have had any great success in the re offending rates.
This is because there is no one system that will work conclusively for the prisoner population as a whole.
Other things should be considered first. Such as establishing the actual causes of some crimes. But even that wouldn't be a panacea.
People bang on about re-offending rates but really it is not that much of an issue.
The prison population currently stands around the low 80,000 mark and the population figures for the UK are in the low 60,000,000.
So if I can round things up and down a little for the sake of keeping the maths simple, I think I can demonstrate why re-offending is not such a big issue.
So if we assume that the prison population is 70,000 and the UK population is 70,000,000 then currently only 0.01% of the population is in prison. If we assume that the re-offending rate is 100% then there are 70,000 waiting to come into jail. That still means that there is only 0.02% of the population that will ever be banged up.
You could fit all those in prison, including the staff and those who will re-offend inside Wembley and Twickenham. You could slap on a roof, they would all have a seat, get a meat pie from the stalls and exercise on the playing field!!!
When you think of the issue in this way it doesn't seem to be too big of a problem. Prison works in that it keeps the scum away from the rest of us.
As for the Scandinavian model, yes that does have a 20-30% re-offending rate, much lower than ours. But it also has what others describe as a 'softer' regime and that sits uncomfortably with a lot of the UK public. Giving criminals access to things that lots of people seem to struggle to obtain doesn't seem quite right in lots of people's eyes.
Now compare that to Singapore, which has what most would describe as a very harsh regime and yet it has a mid 20% re-offending rate.
So what works best 'soft' or 'harsh', best to just think of prison as keeping scum away from the good guys, us. Rehabilitation is for somewhere else. |
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"I hope they get the bastards that brainwash these type with their promises of a better life"
I hope someone gets the bastards that brain wash us of a better life lol |
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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"I hope they get the bastards that brainwash these type with their promises of a better life
I hope someone gets the bastards that brain wash us of a better life lol"
true but we don't go round killing for them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hope they get the bastards that brainwash these type with their promises of a better life
I hope someone gets the bastards that brain wash us of a better life lol
true but we don't go round killing for them"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hope they get the bastards that brainwash these type with their promises of a better life
I hope someone gets the bastards that brain wash us of a better life lol
true but we don't go round killing for them"
Are you sure? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Rehabilitation is for somewhere else.
Where exactly? "
I don't know but it shouldn't be done inside prison. People will say and do anything to get out, how do you know they have really rehabilitated themselves.
Just looking at one sector of the prison population. How would you suggest they rehabilitate sex offenders?
I don't mean castration or anything of a knee jerk reaction. I mean how would you stop the desire to do whatever they did that got them locked up? |
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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"I hope they get the bastards that brainwash these type with their promises of a better life
I hope someone gets the bastards that brain wash us of a better life lol
true but we don't go round killing for them
Are you sure?"
well I know I don't |
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"I see those two scum bags have been jailed for 'life' and will die in prison...well lets all hope thats sooner rather than longer!! then we can give the millions of pounds saved to Help the Hero's instead
Quite ironic that you think the money should be given to a charity that shouldn't have to exist and was causal in his death."
good point....we need to put an end to war for profit |
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rehabilitation is just a part of the issue, its a bigger problem than just what we do with them when they're banged up..
if rehabilitation works using whatever methods surely that better for any potential victims of future crime..?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I see those two scum bags have been jailed for 'life' and will die in prison...well lets all hope thats sooner rather than longer!! then we can give the millions of pounds saved to Help the Hero's instead
Quite ironic that you think the money should be given to a charity that shouldn't have to exist and was causal in his death.good point....we need to put an end to war for profit"
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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"id like to say i hope they rot in hell BUT i know the prisons wont allow that  "
I wouldn't like to be a prison warden looking after them especially as these killers have no remorse for their crime |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Rehabilitation is for somewhere else.
Where exactly?
I don't know but it shouldn't be done inside prison. People will say and do anything to get out, how do you know they have really rehabilitated themselves.
Just looking at one sector of the prison population. How would you suggest they rehabilitate sex offenders?
I don't mean castration or anything of a knee jerk reaction. I mean how would you stop the desire to do whatever they did that got them locked up?"
Any time a system is put into place the blaggers immediately start to find the weaknesses of the system. It's simply trial and error in the majority of cases.
In many cases the blaggers are in the minority, in prison not so much so. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"id like to say i hope they rot in hell BUT i know the prisons wont allow that
I wouldn't like to be a prison warden looking after them especially as these killers have no remorse for their crime"
I went clubbing with a group of people to Exeter years ago, one of the group was a regular visitor to Exeter prison. Every bouncer in the club was a prison warden moonlighting. I've never seen this particular person be so polite before.  if you bite the hand that feeds…
Doors can mysteriously be left open, someone has to prepare their food, do their laundry, clean their cell block. They will be in segregation, but it is far from perfect and open to abuse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know 120K sound a crazy amount but thats what a google search found? anyway 120K or £1.20 its still too much for those two! "
You ought to steer clear of those conspiracy theories sites, you know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Bring back the death penalty. No, they should suffer - put them in prison for the rest of their lives. But prison is too good for them. Oh no, I've painted myself into a corner with only the Daily Mail for company. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Bring back the death penalty. No, they should suffer - put them in prison for the rest of their lives. But prison is too good for them. Oh no, I've painted myself into a corner with only the Daily Mail for company. "
At least you won't be short of bog roll. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bring back the death penalty. No, they should suffer - put them in prison for the rest of their lives. But prison is too good for them. Oh no, I've painted myself into a corner with only the Daily Mail for company. "
Did the daily mail butcher that young lad ? Think ! FFS
You really are pathetic
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k
Sorry, £120k, not £170
I think you will find that it costs about £70,000 to keep a prisoner in a 'dispersal' prison (that is what used to be called 'cat A and AA'). It is a lot, but as a 'cat B' prisoner costs about £40,000 a year (thats most of them) it is not that much more to pay for our security."
 God knows what it costs to keep prisoners in jail it all depends on who you ask and whether you chose to believe them. having watched Sir Humphrey Appleby in action on Yes Minister. I would not believe what any of them say, even if I knew it to be true. The true figure probably is halfway between what the abolitionists say and those who believe in the death penalty. However, when you hear of decent people being denied life saving drugs on the basis of cost. The actual costs of keeping all the scumbags in our prisons seems too high to me, whatever they might be. Let me see - 70,000 in the prisons multiply that by 40,000 and where does that get us? About 2.8 billion? still think it's cheap? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Save us all money and stick them both in a cell with Charles Bronson "
Just a thought.
Does the cost of running a prison depend all that much on the number of prisoners? OK, you don't have to feed the two in question but the bulk of the cost of running Belmarsh goes on in the absence. |
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"In our opinion their sentance should be carried on in Colchester, the Military prison....as by their admission the were "Soldiers" Mmmm wonder how long they would last there !!!"
I believe Colchester only holds military prisoners for a maximum of 6 months, anything longer goes to a civilian prison. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"45 years x Three square meals a Day !!
Bastards..
That's Right.. - More meals than a homeless Person Gets.. Happy Days
Fcking Scum.. sorry - feeling angry x  "
I don't understand this comparison. Surely we should be looking at ways of improving things for the homeless rather than using their living standards as a benchmark for how we treat prisoners. |
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"45 years x Three square meals a Day !!
Bastards..
That's Right.. - More meals than a homeless Person Gets.. Happy Days
Fcking Scum.. sorry - feeling angry x
I don't understand this comparison. Surely we should be looking at ways of improving things for the homeless rather than using their living standards as a benchmark for how we treat prisoners. "
Stop talking sense - theirs an outraging going on here don't you know!!!
People were outraged when it looked like whole life sentences couldn't be passed and they are outraged when a whole life sentance has been given!!! Outraged for the sake of being outraged lol |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"In our opinion their sentance should be carried on in Colchester, the Military prison....as by their admission the were "Soldiers" Mmmm wonder how long they would last there !!!
I believe Colchester only holds military prisoners for a maximum of 6 months, anything longer goes to a civilian prison. "
It used to be up to 2 years. I haven't heard that its changed. |
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"45 years x Three square meals a Day !!
Bastards..
That's Right.. - More meals than a homeless Person Gets.. Happy Days
Fcking Scum.. sorry - feeling angry x
I don't understand this comparison. Surely we should be looking at ways of improving things for the homeless rather than using their living standards as a benchmark for how we treat prisoners.
Stop talking sense - theirs an outraging going on here don't you know!!!
People were outraged when it looked like whole life sentences couldn't be passed and they are outraged when a whole life sentance has been given!!! Outraged for the sake of being outraged lol"
We are outrage by some/none/all of your remarks*
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"45 years x Three square meals a Day !!
Bastards..
That's Right.. - More meals than a homeless Person Gets.. Happy Days
Fcking Scum.. sorry - feeling angry x
I don't understand this comparison. Surely we should be looking at ways of improving things for the homeless rather than using their living standards as a benchmark for how we treat prisoners.
Stop talking sense - theirs an outraging going on here don't you know!!!
People were outraged when it looked like whole life sentences couldn't be passed and they are outraged when a whole life sentance has been given!!! Outraged for the sake of being outraged lol
We are outrage by none of your remarks
(*delete as necessary)"
Done it
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"45 years x Three square meals a Day !!
Bastards..
That's Right.. - More meals than a homeless Person Gets.. Happy Days
Fcking Scum.. sorry - feeling angry x
I don't understand this comparison. Surely we should be looking at ways of improving things for the homeless rather than using their living standards as a benchmark for how we treat prisoners.
Stop talking sense - theirs an outraging going on here don't you know!!!
People were outraged when it looked like whole life sentences couldn't be passed and they are outraged when a whole life sentance has been given!!! Outraged for the sake of being outraged lol
We are outrage by none of your remarks
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Done it
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How dare you, we weren't really outraged before but after this abomination. Yours, from Outraged in Liverpool |
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The cost of justice in a civilised society is a heavy burden. However its a price we who have civilised principles are happy to bear as our justice system is, for the most part, civilised. The process, verdict and punishment have been administered in a transparent and civilised way. Both perpetrators will be given the chance to challenge the verdict of their piers and the sentence imposed by the judiciary as is their right in a civilised society.
As the reader may have guessed by now the underlying theme of my post is the civilised way in which we (society) have behave in response to a cowardly and heinous crime on a decent man called Lee Rigby.
The basic truth is that these two men have been found guilty tried, convicted and sentenced to a punishment laid down by a democratic and civilised society when they were clearly acting in a disgusting, cowardly and uncivilised way.
As I say the price of justice is a heavy burden but nothing to the burden of Lee Rigby and his family and what they go through every waking moment of the day. |
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By *uby0000Woman
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"The cost of justice in a civilised society is a heavy burden. However its a price we who have civilised principles are happy to bear as our justice system is, for the most part, civilised. The process, verdict and punishment have been administered in a transparent and civilised way. Both perpetrators will be given the chance to challenge the verdict of their piers and the sentence imposed by the judiciary as is their right in a civilised society.
As the reader may have guessed by now the underlying theme of my post is the civilised way in which we (society) have behave in response to a cowardly and heinous crime on a decent man called Lee Rigby.
The basic truth is that these two men have been found guilty tried, convicted and sentenced to a punishment laid down by a democratic and civilised society when they were clearly acting in a disgusting, cowardly and uncivilised way.
As I say the price of justice is a heavy burden but nothing to the burden of Lee Rigby and his family and what they go through every waking moment of the day. "
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k"
Hmm I used to work in the mental health section in the NHS and worked it out that it cost £250,000 to look after some patients, Oh sorry, that should be clients! So the figure of £170K does not seem out of line. The whole subject is deliberately obscured by certain sections of the establishment to cause confusion and uncertainty. |
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k Hmm I used to work in the mental health section in the NHS and worked it out that it cost £250,000 to look after some patients, Oh sorry, that should be clients! So the figure of £170K does not seem out of line. The whole subject is deliberately obscured by certain sections of the establishment to cause confusion and uncertainty. "
Whatever the cost, it's worth the money to let them rot in prison for the rest of their worthless and insignificant lives. |
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
would it be safe to assume you did'nt work in rehabilitating the holiday camp inmates..?"
Nope. Those who do/did are often the most cynical, knowing the failure to success ratio. |
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
The innocent civilian victims of Iraq/Afghanistan maybe????
Well said
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
A crime just as vile and unjustifiable as the killing of Lee Rigby.
not quite the same though is it."
Y because lee was white!
N I believe they should rot in solitary for life.
Hanging would be to good for any killers. |
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
The innocent civilian victims of Iraq/Afghanistan maybe???? "
Yeh? How about the innocent victims of WW2? were they ever compensated for their loss and trauma? Let's remember them and let the governments of the relevant countries worry about their own citizens. Charity begins at home. Remember? |
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"Its reported to cost approx £120,000 per year to keep a prisoner in a uk jail, i dread to think what those two will cost us all over the next 45-60 years!!
Where is that 'reported'?
I read £40k from a number of sources; a not insubstantial figure but not quite as sensationalist as £170k"
 Hmmm. Yes, Realistic figures on these issues are so very hard to acquire. The influence of sir Humphrey seems to be showing itself. Disinformation on these matters is a speciality of the civil service mandarins. I used to work in the mental services of the NHS and it was calculated that it cost around £250,000 per annum to care for the more severely disabled mentally. £170,000 doesn't seem so "sensationalist" when compared to that figure does it?  |
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It's easy to say the killers of lee Rigby should be killed etc but how can you condemn extremists killing foreign soldiers and take the moral high ground then do exactly the same by Killing them. troops are killing innocent civilians on a daily basis in combat zones as they see it there is no difference between the two. whilst the handling of our soldier who has been jailed for murder could have been better he had to be punished because you can't preach the geneva convention to others and not follow it yourselves the fact others don't follow it is not a excuses for all what he did |
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"Having worked for HMPS I know that about 6 years ago the cost of housing an inmate was £90 a day. Anyway, it's worth every penny keeping these scumbags off the streets. However they will have the benefit of not having to work, games consoles in their cells, art classes, mosque and all sorts of other activities which may interest them-THAT's the element I don't agree with! Holiday camp for criminals.
Free dental treatment as well they are treated better than pensioners, in this country anyway.
is'nt dental treatment also free for retired folks and children under a certain age..?
No free dental treatment for pensioners.
so pensioners and children dont get free dental treatment via the NHS..?
when did that change..?
Without trying to lighten the tone. A prison full of people who don't want to be there is bad enough.
A prison full of people with toothache who don't want to be there is a recipe for a riot."
Let them riot. Nothing that a few gallons of petrol and match wouldn't remedy.
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"What charity should the money we save from the Marine that was recently convicted of murder go to if he were to suffer an untimely demise?
A crime just as vile and unjustifiable as the killing of Lee Rigby.
not quite the same though is it.
Y because lee was white!
N I believe they should rot in solitary for life.
Hanging would be to good for any killers. "
no, because the marine that murdered the 'freedom fighter' was in a war zone, and probably in 'war mode'.
is it justified? of course not, hence he is now doing time.
however, remember, that crime was perpetrated in a war zone, not on a weekday afternoon, in the middle of a city street, where nobody is interested in taking up arms against anyone, let alone foreigners that are here to change the country.
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