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(I spelt the title wrong on purpose)
Do you think if enough people spell a word wrong for a long time, it becomes the right way of spelling it?
For instance, eventually we will lose the U in colour and flavour. What's to stop them changing to cula and flava? |
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"(I spelt the title wrong on purpose)
Do you think if enough people spell a word wrong for a long time, it becomes the right way of spelling it?
For instance, eventually we will lose the U in colour and flavour. What's to stop them changing to cula and flava?"
NOOOO!! Oh but when did an orgasm become 'cum'?? What kind of cruddy word is that (shakes head in dismay!)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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That's usually the way written language evolves.
Note how many words in the English language we have adopted from abroad and then think how crazy it's gonna get when the aliens land.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Color, realize etc is American and not people "losing" a letter.. That is just regional.
So no I don't agree but people are very lazy and do not think when spelling, although English is a hard language with no real rules such as others. |
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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago
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My phone has many many a word stored wrongly, Ie every time I want to spell be it spells it 've, there are hundreds more I have learnt to accept big thumbs typing on largest smart phone screen will make me misspell words for ever |
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"According to my English tutor Americans spell color and realize correctly. It was us that changed it"
Of course, thats where we have all been going wrong...
That will be why our language is called American...
Wait...
No...
Surely your tutor should be an American tutor...
Or are they?
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"According to my English tutor Americans spell color and realize correctly. It was us that changed it
Of course, thats where we have all been going wrong...
That will be why our language is called American...
Wait...
No...
Surely your tutor should be an American tutor...
Or are they?
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I dunno, she looked puzzled when I mentioned a triptych |
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"According to my English tutor Americans spell color and realize correctly. It was us that changed it
Of course, thats where we have all been going wrong...
That will be why our language is called American...
Wait...
No...
Surely your tutor should be an American tutor...
Or are they?
I dunno, she looked puzzled when I mentioned a triptych "
What have 3 hinged (normally russian orthodox church) religious paintings got to do with it? |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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Just to offer an example of someone who used modern wording in a document, I saw a CV come in for a vacancy in my department.
The applicant actually wrote things in the same way he obviously spoke; eg, ending written sentences with the word innit. Their spelling and punctuation were simply appalling. Needless to say they did not even get to the interview stage |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"(I spelt the title wrong on purpose)
Do you think if enough people spell a word wrong for a long time, it becomes the right way of spelling it?
For instance, eventually we will lose the U in colour and flavour. What's to stop them changing to cula and flava?"
It should be CULLA! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"According to my English tutor Americans spell color and realize correctly. It was us that changed it"
How did the English change it? What's the original spelling of the word colour? Is it color, colour or couleur?
Its a word inherited from Feench as is 60% of the English vocbulary. |
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"Spelling and speech have evolved over the centuries and will continue to do so.
Can you recite any Chaucer innit   "
I have no problem with language developing over time, it is a good thing its part of the process of learning. However i do have real problems with foolish people defending the adulteration, retardation, loss of diction and the ability to enunciate the words of our wonderfully rich language because they think its 'cool' to be 'down inhe hood wit he getto tok bruva'
Fact is we should be doing everything to remove this aborhition from our streets because it is not cool to talk like an illiterate black american gangster who has a longer life expectancy on death row in an American prison than 'in the hood wit his bros'.
Or am I just an education snob? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You don't have to be an "education snob", all you have to reaalise is that like humanity and progress, life will change.
Where would we be without the motorcar or the aeroplane "
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"You don't have to be an "education snob", all you have to reaalise is that like humanity and progress, life will change.
Where would we be without the motorcar or the aeroplane "
Absolutely true, but my point is that without well defined language and the ability to communicate complex abstract ideas there would be no cars or planes.
Seems to me returning to communication by grunt is not the way forward. Now, isn't this better than dont you think?, innitdonutink(,) (mine,) hooddonnedpunk(,) to get across an abstract idea.
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By (user no longer on site)
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...because it is not cool to talk like an illiterate black american gangster who has a longer life expectancy on death row in an American prison ...
I might be getting you wrong because I don't know many of the vocabulary you're using there but is that appropiate to say? illetracy is not a black people thing is it? "
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think people do become lazy with the English language and especially the way it is taught how many kids come out of school not being able to read or right properly because they use text speech or computers and spell check which always converts English into American. Plus everything is taught on computers instead of with paper and pen. I remember having to learn to right with a fountain pen. |
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...because it is not cool to talk like an illiterate black american gangster who has a longer life expectancy on death row in an American prison ...
I might be getting you wrong because I don't know many of the vocabulary you're using there but is that appropiate to say? illetracy is not a black people thing is it? "
Ghetto rap comes from the black ghettos of the major north american cities. That is a fact. In those areas they have the highest illiteracy rates in the developed world. They also have the lowest life expectancy for black males in the developed world with gun crime being so common that it pushes the USA gun crime stats up to levels only seen in what we call 'failed states'.
So exactly why and how was I being inappropriate?
Or do we now censor the truth if it is not 'politically correct'?  |
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"You don't have to be an "education snob", all you have to reaalise is that like humanity and progress, life will change.
Where would we be without the motorcar or the aeroplane
The aeroplane and the car broadened our horizons and languages, it didn't dumb it down which the current trend in vocab and literacy does. It's horrible to listen to teenagers speaking like some American gangster, especially in somewhere like Devon... seriously where the heck did they pick up that accent and ridiculous way of talking?? On the mean streets of Exeter? I don't think so! They do it because they think it's cool. I was going to continue to rant, but I'll leave it there before I get too annoyed about it all    "
So we're not hiphop fans then?
I'm sure we were p*ssing our parents off in the way we talked and conducted ourselves when we were in our teens. It's now our turn to suffer!
But, like you, they'll grow out of it. They'll realise (usually the hard way, as highlighted earlier)that poor grasp of grammar and punctuation coupled with poor use of language equals...very few job opportunities. Like everything, there's a time and a place.
The English language isn't dying.. Slang exists in all languages and cultures and simply gives people a sense of identity. Speaking properly is not always a key indicator of intelligence and if you believe that, more fool you!
I enjoy company from all different walks of life who all talk in different ways depending on upbringing, family origin or environment because a shared point of view shouldn't be hindered by how someone puts it across. |
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"Definitely with you there
Speech and language have developed over many years.
If you have children or grandchildren, then what are the odds on them talking totally different to how your grandmother used to speak ?
Terminology, as well as modern human interaction is escalating exponentially.
Keep up or deny it, you decide, the choice is yours  "
I am of the youngish generation that started learning and interacting on computers and via the Internet and texting. But I like to think, due to a respect for the language I speak, I haven't transformed myself into an American wannabe (a new world word for you just to prove I use them lol).
I am by no means a speaker of the Queens English twenty four seven, and no I don't sound exactly like my grandparents but near as dammit I use the same vocab and use grammar correctly (I hope I have considering it's nearly 3am and I should be asleep) and I can hold a decent conversation without saying innit or like within every sentence.
You can still keep up with the times without sounding like an illiterate fool. |
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^^^^
Hip-hop is fine, I find it hard to follow at times but it has rhythm and musical structure I can follow and appreciate. However gangster rap with its openly violent and misogynistic message is a different kettle of fish. And as far as I am aware the ghetto rap that is now taking over in certain areas is born of that and the Jamaican slag used by the yardie gangs. Not the best of role models in my view. |
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"Definitely with you there
Speech and language have developed over many years.
If you have children or grandchildren, then what are the odds on them talking totally different to how your grandmother used to speak ?
Terminology, as well as modern human interaction is escalating exponentially.
Keep up or deny it, you decide, the choice is yours
I am of the youngish generation that started learning and interacting on computers and via the Internet and texting. But I like to think, due to a respect for the language I speak, I haven't transformed myself into an American wannabe (a new world word for you just to prove I use them lol).
I am by no means a speaker of the Queens English twenty four seven, and no I don't sound exactly like my grandparents but near as dammit I use the same vocab and use grammar correctly (I hope I have considering it's nearly 3am and I should be asleep) and I can hold a decent conversation without saying innit or like within every sentence.
You can still keep up with the times without sounding like an illiterate fool."
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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The English language isn't dying?
What percentage of forum users can spell "lose" (as in the opposite of win, or to misplace)?
How many can correctly differentiate between, and use, your/you're, to/too/two, their/there, bare/bear, here/hear etc?
How common is it to see accommodate and professional spelt wrongly?
The frequency of mistakes is alarmingly high. It pains me, (almost literally, given my OCD).
Don't even start me on the subject of apostrophes.
The language may not be dying but the written form is suffering. |
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"I'm sure we were p*ssing our parents off in the way we talked and conducted ourselves when we were in our teens. It's now our turn to suffer! But, like you, they'll grow out of it. They'll realise (usually the hard way, as highlighted earlier)that poor grasp of grammar and punctuation coupled with poor use of language equals...very few job opportunities."
Spelling, grammar and punctuation have always been a huge part of my life since a young child. I was taught to spell and use grammar correctly, then leaving school and becoming a secretary, these skills were second nature and earned me a very good reputation at work.
Having watched my children go through the education process, I was regularly disgusted with the attitudes of their teachers towards the poor standard of written work produced by the children. Teachers regularly told me that as long as they could understand the jist of what the children were trying to communicate, then "spelling isn't important". Of course it is!!!!!
I was talking to a maths teacher earlier on another (non-swinging) site and he applauded my profile for using "good, well-written English, proper spelling, grammar and being contextually accurate, which these days appears to be something akin to a unicorn". To me, that profile was written purely in the way that I had been taught to write and nothing out of the ordinary or special. He also said that as a teacher, he HAS TO 'ignore' poor spelling, although apparently, this is because until very recently "spelling problems were considered to be linked to some sort of dysfunctional reading problem, but now there are ways to help people with these problems". I don't exactly agree with this because I know plenty of people who read perfectly well but have atrocious spelling.
Rant over - S xx |
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"Diversity is key, 'nuff said bro
Cringe I do believe the "location" on your profile is very apt.
Night all "
If you are resorting to personal slights, then I suggest that you read the OP's initial message and reply to that.
You are quite welcome to visit cloud cuckoo land if you can understand what I have being trying to portray |
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"^^^^
Hip-hop is fine, I find it hard to follow at times but it has rhythm and musical structure I can follow and appreciate. However gangster rap with its openly violent and misogynistic message is a different kettle of fish. And as far as I am aware the ghetto rap that is now taking over in certain areas is born of that and the Jamaican slag used by the yardie gangs. Not the best of role models in my view."
Jamaican "slang" (Patois, to use it's proper name) is not only used by yardie gangs and, let's be honest, the Caribbean brought a new sound that helped the UK explore music. I love a bit of Madness and UB40!
It's funny that you mention music because that is one of the main conductors of how language changes and evolves and like music, it's about expression. It's simple: you have formal and informal. Some people express themselves formally, others informally and everyone else wanders in between.;-) |
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The language may not be dying but the written form is suffering. "
Would that be like the 'slings and arrows of outrageous fortune' that the bard spoke of through Hamlet?
Or was that just a cigar that brings happiness?  |
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"^^^^
Hip-hop is fine, I find it hard to follow at times but it has rhythm and musical structure I can follow and appreciate. However gangster rap with its openly violent and misogynistic message is a different kettle of fish. And as far as I am aware the ghetto rap that is now taking over in certain areas is born of that and the Jamaican slag used by the yardie gangs. Not the best of role models in my view.
Jamaican "slang" (Patois, to use it's proper name) is not only used by yardie gangs and, let's be honest, the Caribbean brought a new sound that helped the UK explore music. I love a bit of Madness and UB40!
It's funny that you mention music because that is one of the main conductors of how language changes and evolves and like music, it's about expression. It's simple: you have formal and informal. Some people express themselves formally, others informally and everyone else wanders in between.;-)"
I did not say patois (I do know what it is by the way) because as far as I know the yardies use a modified version of it.
As for your comments about music, I agree and fully accept all you say. But again the same rules apply to music as to language. If you want to share musical ideas with others you need to be able to read, write and understand musical notation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"^^^^
Hip-hop is fine, I find it hard to follow at times but it has rhythm and musical structure I can follow and appreciate. However gangster rap with its openly violent and misogynistic message is a different kettle of fish. And as far as I am aware the ghetto rap that is now taking over in certain areas is born of that and the Jamaican slag used by the yardie gangs. Not the best of role models in my view.
Jamaican "slang" (Patois, to use it's proper name) is not only used by yardie gangs and, let's be honest, the Caribbean brought a new sound that helped the UK explore music. I love a bit of Madness and UB40!
It's funny that you mention music because that is one of the main conductors of how language changes and evolves and like music, it's about expression. It's simple: you have formal and informal. Some people express themselves formally, others informally and everyone else wanders in between.;-)
I did not say patois (I do know what it is by the way) because as far as I know the yardies use a modified version of it.
As for your comments about music, I agree and fully accept all you say. But again the same rules apply to music as to language. If you want to share musical ideas with others you need to be able to read, write and understand musical notation. "
Exactly, the two can coexist. 
In regards to a "modernised version," I don't know. That's a whole other topic!
As far as "written language suffering," tell children and adults alike to stop cheating. I'm referring to spell-check and grammar systems in computers. Being lazy and expressing yourself are two different things.
Children can be taught and corrected but some adults are just plain lazy. But like all things: some will hold it dear while others won't care and that's why it will survive. We'll always need the formal and informal. |
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But all the slang and gang-speak idioms have no permanence – by their very nature, they must die.... Comes a new generation, comes a new slang, and the old so rapidly becomes lost. Such are the whimsical vagaries of fashion..
I am of an age that I can remember hearing the last days of Flapper, Esperanto and Polari – in their time the great “in things”, but now all virtually gone.
Yet our core language survives, and works, and can be such a joy to use...
Despite the age of his words, nobody can paint a vibrant picture across my mind in the way that Shakespeare can – his use of words is elegant, sensual, alive and so fulfilling. The written language that he gifted to us survives and endures, despite all.
Please use our language as it was intended, enjoy it, savour it; for it is our legacy to keep and to pass on.
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"I'm sure we were p*ssing our parents off in the way we talked and conducted ourselves when we were in our teens. It's now our turn to suffer! But, like you, they'll grow out of it. They'll realise (usually the hard way, as highlighted earlier)that poor grasp of grammar and punctuation coupled with poor use of language equals...very few job opportunities.
Spelling, grammar and punctuation have always been a huge part of my life since a young child. I was taught to spell and use grammar correctly, then leaving school and becoming a secretary, these skills were second nature and earned me a very good reputation at work.
Having watched my children go through the education process, I was regularly disgusted with the attitudes of their teachers towards the poor standard of written work produced by the children. Teachers regularly told me that as long as they could understand the jist of what the children were trying to communicate, then "spelling isn't important". Of course it is!!!!!
I was talking to a maths teacher earlier on another (non-swinging) site and he applauded my profile for using "good, well-written English, proper spelling, grammar and being contextually accurate, which these days appears to be something akin to a unicorn". To me, that profile was written purely in the way that I had been taught to write and nothing out of the ordinary or special. He also said that as a teacher, he HAS TO 'ignore' poor spelling, although apparently, this is because until very recently "spelling problems were considered to be linked to some sort of dysfunctional reading problem, but now there are ways to help people with these problems". I don't exactly agree with this because I know plenty of people who read perfectly well but have atrocious spelling.
Rant over - S xx"
I agree with all they said especially the first two paragraphs as I used to be a secretary. Sounding a bit old now, I am glad my children spoke and still speak correctly (they are adults now) but they still fitted in at school. I am not perfect I admit to dropping h's and as I work for a primary and secondary school, I find myself sometimes speaking their way, saying "whatever" etc as you tend to pick things up as you go along in life without actually realising. Btw, yes text speak I know, I use it sometimes, I am not a teacher but was taught use of good English at school |
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By *.H.D.Man
over a year ago
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Language evolution, colloquialisms, and even slang (to a certain extent) are okay—but I have four words for you: slovenly, illiterate, uneducated, and thick.
Except for simple typos, one or more of those will apply depending on the number (and type) of mistakes, and the general writing style. |
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I am rubbish at grammar I've got alot better due to my job where I am writing legal letters. I could do better but I am teaching myself new things everyday. I don't like people nick picking at mistakes people make on here regarding spelling and grammar. We all can't be perfect... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The English language isn't dying?
What percentage of forum users can spell "lose" (as in the opposite of win, or to misplace)?
How many can correctly differentiate between, and use, your/you're, to/too/two, their/there, bare/bear, here/hear etc?
How common is it to see accommodate and
professional spelt wrongly?
The frequency of mistakes is alarmingly high. It pains me, (almost literally, given my OCD).
Don't even start me on the subject of apostrophes.
The language may not be dying but the written form is suffering. "
Such a relief to read this and know I'm not alone !  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"(I spelt the title wrong on purpose)
Do you think if enough people spell a word wrong for a long time, it becomes the right way of spelling it?
For instance, eventually we will lose the U in colour and flavour. What's to stop them changing to cula and flava?"
Have a look on a packet of disco crisps it is already spelt flava. |
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"But all the slang and gang-speak idioms have no permanence – by their very nature, they must die.... Comes a new generation, comes a new slang, and the old so rapidly becomes lost. Such are the whimsical vagaries of fashion..
I am of an age that I can remember hearing the last days of Flapper, Esperanto and Polari – in their time the great “in things”, but now all virtually gone.
Yet our core language survives, and works, and can be such a joy to use...
Despite the age of his words, nobody can paint a vibrant picture across my mind in the way that Shakespeare can – his use of words is elegant, sensual, alive and so fulfilling. The written language that he gifted to us survives and endures, despite all.
Please use our language as it was intended, enjoy it, savour it; for it is our legacy to keep and to pass on.
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Nice one.
Like most trends, they enjoy a very short shelf life so I think people are stressing a bit too much. |
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"Capitalisation is important too!
As in:
You could help your uncle Jack off a horse.
Or
You could help your uncle jack off a horse
Now have we all got that?
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Not quite...
Could you lend me and hand and give us all a demonstration?
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As a teenager I learned shorthand and typing. we had to do speed tests to get our typing speeds up.
The quick brown fox jumped over the angry dog, day in day put but it worked |
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"As a teenager I learned shorthand and typing. we had to do speed tests to get our typing speeds up.
The quick brown fox jumped over the angry dog, day in day put but it worked "
"out"
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"Spelling and speech have evolved over the centuries and will continue to do so.
Can you recite any Chaucer innit
I have no problem with language developing over time, it is a good thing its part of the process of learning. However i do have real problems with foolish people defending the adulteration, retardation, loss of diction and the ability to enunciate the words of our wonderfully rich language because they think its 'cool' to be 'down inhe hood wit he getto tok bruva'
Fact is we should be doing everything to remove this aborhition from our streets because it is not cool to talk like an illiterate black american gangster who has a longer life expectancy on death row in an American prison than 'in the hood wit his bros'.
Or am I just an education snob?"
No you are not an education snob. You are absolutely correct. |
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"But all the slang and gang-speak idioms have no permanence – by their very nature, they must die.... Comes a new generation, comes a new slang, and the old so rapidly becomes lost. Such are the whimsical vagaries of fashion..
I am of an age that I can remember hearing the last days of Flapper, Esperanto and Polari – in their time the great “in things”, but now all virtually gone.
Yet our core language survives, and works, and can be such a joy to use...
Despite the age of his words, nobody can paint a vibrant picture across my mind in the way that Shakespeare can – his use of words is elegant, sensual, alive and so fulfilling. The written language that he gifted to us survives and endures, despite all.
Please use our language as it was intended, enjoy it, savour it; for it is our legacy to keep and to pass on.
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This. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"Spelling and speech have evolved over the centuries and will continue to do so.
Can you recite any Chaucer innit "
'Lordings", quod he ,"in churches when I preche,
I pain me to have an hauteyn speche,
And ringe it out as loud as gooth a belle
For I can al by rote what I can telle.
My theme is always oon and ever was,
Radix malorum est cupiditas."
The Pardoner's Prologue from The Canterbury Tales.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. Might not be entirely accurate as it's from memory. |
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