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"Others, the law and police (unless you pull out in front of them), say that if you're the following car in a rear end shunt you're at fault unless you can prove different. "not true in all cases now due to the amount of dodgy incurance crashes for crash | |||
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"Fog lights! Always meet people with their bloody fog lights on when it isn't foggy, other day could hardly see in front for fog and nobody had their foggies on...wtf is that about! GRRRR!"  | |||
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"Sorry have to rant,just driven 70 miles down the motorway and amazed at how many drivers just drift from lane to lane without indicating.Admitedly when all lanes clear and lots of space your forgiven but the amount of brain dead idiots who do it on busy times amazes me.Are they just idiots from birth or has life made them that way !! Deep breath rant over. "Agree with all apart from the last part; - indicating just should be a part of you the car - second nature, not even a single reason to even thing about it!! ......maybe they were inexperienced?  | |||
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"And why don't a lot of drivers use headlights whilst it's raining? That's what I want to know! " ......& considering that the road, pavement & sky are usually/generally a silver/greyish colour, why then are silvery grey cars the most common? - surely they should be a bright, more visible colour; after all, doesn't that tie in with the whole point of the indicating rules? Hmmmmm lolz | |||
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"Advanced drivers are taught to only indicate when it's necessary. But it is emphasised that it's " an indication of a change of direction" so important! " Well, that makes a complete mockery of the term 'advanced driver', then, - that's totally unbelievable!! | |||
"Next time count how many LARGE GERMAN MADE CARS didnt indicate, i got the mrs onto it n was surprised. Yes it is annoying" fixed it for you | |||
"Next time count how many LARGE GERMAN MADE CARS didnt indicate, i got the mrs onto it n was surprised. Yes it is annoyingfixed it for you "  | |||
"Sorry have to rant,just driven 70 miles down the motorway and amazed at how many drivers just drift from lane to lane without indicating.Admitedly when all lanes clear and lots of space your forgiven but the amount of brain dead idiots who do it on busy times amazes me.Are they just idiots from birth or has life made them that way !! Deep breath rant over. "Good to have a rant at other drivers. You just wonder sometimes where they got their licenses from?? Recent rant for me is yesterday coming back along the M5 in the driving rain, and a driver didn't check his blind spot, started drifting into my lane where I was, causing me to swerve, but I managed to keep control!  | |||
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"............ have seen many driving instructors no longer teaching learners to use their indicators either, so its obviously no longer a requirement." Wwe have regular driving assessments at w*rk being as I drive for a Local Authority. Examiner - "You don`t need to go down through all the gears" Me - "Force of habit because I do lots of towing" Examiner - "Oh, that`s OK then!" Examiner - "No need to indicate if there`s nothing else about." Me - "I drive a tractor all day and traffic is on you quicker than you think, hence why I indicate every time" Examiner - "See what you mean....... well, we just as well go back to the yard!"  | |||
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"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous " And those idiots who sit in the middle land so long that people then undertake should be banned outright. If you don't like being undertaken then firking move over, as you should. | |||
"............ have seen many driving instructors no longer teaching learners to use their indicators either, so its obviously no longer a requirement. Wwe have regular driving assessments at w*rk being as I drive for a Local Authority. Examiner - "You don`t need to go down through all the gears" Me - "Force of habit because I do lots of towing" Examiner - "Oh, that`s OK then!" Examiner - "No need to indicate if there`s nothing else about." Me - "I drive a tractor all day and traffic is on you quicker than you think, hence why I indicate every time" Examiner - "See what you mean....... well, we just as well go back to the yard!" "Absolutely!! It's not about who else you can see on the road, it's all about who can see you, - & that includes pedestrians. It should be second nature, you shouldn't even have to think about it. So-called instructers make me laugh!! | |||
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"Centre lane hoggers really bug me! If you're observant you can usually tell when a cars going to pull out or turn and if you've kept an appropriate distance back it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Drivers on phones is worse and texting even worser!!! Z" And God help you if you do any of the above AND work for the Council. | |||
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"BMW drivers are the worst. " Ah the dreamers in beamers, and the berks in mercs are as bad | |||
"My niece got hit by a car today that knocked her off her feet.. Luckily she's ok but the driver got out, shouted at her and made her cry then drove off! "That's shocking! Was she on the pavement or a crossing? Z | |||
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"Centre lane hoggers really bug me! If you're observant you can usually tell when a cars going to pull out or turn and if you've kept an appropriate distance back it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Drivers on phones is worse and texting even worser!!! Z" & then don't indicate! | |||
"Centre lane hoggers really bug me! If you're observant you can usually tell when a cars going to pull out or turn and if you've kept an appropriate distance back it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Drivers on phones is worse and texting even worser!!! Z & then don't indicate! "lol - yeah! Z | |||
"My niece got hit by a car today that knocked her off her feet.. Luckily she's ok but the driver got out, shouted at her and made her cry then drove off!
That's shocking! Was she on the pavement or a crossing? Z"She was just stepping into the road.. In all honesty she had her earphones in as she was talking on the phone, but still to shout at her ( she's 18) and even if she was in the wrong he could of just asked if she was ok! He hit her hard enough to knock her off her feet! | |||
"My niece got hit by a car today that knocked her off her feet.. Luckily she's ok but the driver got out, shouted at her and made her cry then drove off!
That's shocking! Was she on the pavement or a crossing? Z
She was just stepping into the road.. In all honesty she had her earphones in as she was talking on the phone, but still to shout at her ( she's 18) and even if she was in the wrong he could of just asked if she was ok! He hit her hard enough to knock her off her feet!"Did she indicate in any way that she was going to just step into the road, oblivious to all other matters? | |||
"My niece got hit by a car today that knocked her off her feet.. Luckily she's ok but the driver got out, shouted at her and made her cry then drove off!
That's shocking! Was she on the pavement or a crossing? Z
She was just stepping into the road.. In all honesty she had her earphones in as she was talking on the phone, but still to shout at her ( she's 18) and even if she was in the wrong he could of just asked if she was ok! He hit her hard enough to knock her off her feet!"He shouldn't have shouted at her but I drive a quite a few hundred miles a week and it's very frightening when someone just steps into the road in front of you - she mustn't have looked otherwise whe wouldn't have stepped in front of the car but thank God she's ok and hopefullt she'll use a crossing or look better in future. Z | |||
"My niece got hit by a car today that knocked her off her feet.. Luckily she's ok but the driver got out, shouted at her and made her cry then drove off!
That's shocking! Was she on the pavement or a crossing? Z
She was just stepping into the road.. In all honesty she had her earphones in as she was talking on the phone, but still to shout at her ( she's 18) and even if she was in the wrong he could of just asked if she was ok! He hit her hard enough to knock her off her feet!
He shouldn't have shouted at her but I drive a quite a few hundred miles a week and it's very frightening when someone just steps into the road in front of you - she mustn't have looked otherwise whe wouldn't have stepped in front of the car but thank God she's ok and hopefullt she'll use a crossing or look better in future. Z"Who's to say she wasn't already a glamour puss, a looker as they say? | |||
"My niece got hit by a car today that knocked her off her feet.. Luckily she's ok but the driver got out, shouted at her and made her cry then drove off!
That's shocking! Was she on the pavement or a crossing? Z
She was just stepping into the road.. In all honesty she had her earphones in as she was talking on the phone, but still to shout at her ( she's 18) and even if she was in the wrong he could of just asked if she was ok! He hit her hard enough to knock her off her feet!
He shouldn't have shouted at her but I drive a quite a few hundred miles a week and it's very frightening when someone just steps into the road in front of you - she mustn't have looked otherwise whe wouldn't have stepped in front of the car but thank God she's ok and hopefullt she'll use a crossing or look better in future. Z
Who's to say she wasn't already a glamour puss, a looker as they say? "lol | |||
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"Im a learner, nearly test ready and I gave been taught to.indicate when changing lanes and leaving roundabouts..." it's a good habit to indicate - better to do it than not even if theres no one else about - good luck with your test! Z | |||
"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous " I don't get this one. I'd never even heard of this until I came to the UK, it's common practise in NZ. Cars have mirrors on both sides after all. (travelling by car is pretty much mandatory in NZ because the public transport is nearly non-exisitent) Why is going past someone on the left worse than going past on the right? If your mirrors are set up right you don't have any blind spots... | |||
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"One fundamental rule of driving in th UK is 'give way to the right'. Really simple and makes life that much easier for all. There is a three lane roundabout I use regularly. I generally stick to the middle lane for my exit. Very often large trucks are on my right but I know that part way round they will want to come across to get their exit. I always hang back to let them through - though they don't always indicate. Good job I'm psychic! Yet I see so many drivers who won't let them across and do all they can to cut them uo which is sheer idiocy. Last weekend I was trying to get across lanes on the motorway as I knew my exit wss coming up. I left plenty of time as it was a stretch of 5 lanes yet one woman in a Micra actually speeded up as soon as she saw me indicate so I couldn't get across. Had she followed the 'give way to the right ' rule I wouldn't have nearly hit her as she moved into my blind spot. Good job I do my shoulder check. Another of my pet hates are those who drive on their brakes. I don't think they realise that every time they brake they are signalling traffic behind. Try leaving a proper distance between you and the car in front. " Are you sure there is a "give way to the right" rule a) at any time, and b) on Motorways in particular? Carnage. | |||
"One fundamental rule of driving in th UK is 'give way to the right'. Really simple and makes life that much easier for all. There is a three lane roundabout I use regularly. I generally stick to the middle lane for my exit. Very often large trucks are on my right but I know that part way round they will want to come across to get their exit. I always hang back to let them through - though they don't always indicate. Good job I'm psychic! Yet I see so many drivers who won't let them across and do all they can to cut them uo which is sheer idiocy. Last weekend I was trying to get across lanes on the motorway as I knew my exit wss coming up. I left plenty of time as it was a stretch of 5 lanes yet one woman in a Micra actually speeded up as soon as she saw me indicate so I couldn't get across. Had she followed the 'give way to the right ' rule I wouldn't have nearly hit her as she moved into my blind spot. Good job I do my shoulder check. Another of my pet hates are those who drive on their brakes. I don't think they realise that every time they brake they are signalling traffic behind. Try leaving a proper distance between you and the car in front. Are you sure there is a "give way to the right" rule a) at any time, and b) on Motorways in particular? Carnage. " If someone on your right is indicating you let them in. On roundabouts you give way to the right. Obviously if people don't indicate it would be carnage. And no - it does not apply to side streets etc. Just traffic established on the road. So on a dual carriageway you are not supposed to drive faster in the left lane than the right for that reason. Obviously this applies in free flowing traffic. When it's stop start traffic or a queue turning right etc, this wouldn't apply. You shouldn't cut people up on their left. | |||
"Sorry have to rant,just driven 70 miles down the motorway and amazed at how many drivers just drift from lane to lane without indicating.Admitedly when all lanes clear and lots of space your forgiven but the amount of brain dead idiots who do it on busy times amazes me.Are they just idiots from birth or has life made them that way !! Deep breath rant over. "I always think it strange, how some days, there seems to be an endless supply of piss poor drivers. Poor indication, road positioning, mainly at junctions, driving way too close...etc. These are all, very basic skills, that should be picked up in the early stages of driving. | |||
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"Advanced drivers are taught to only indicate when it's necessary. But it is emphasised that it's " an indication of a change of direction" so important! Well, that makes a complete mockery of the term 'advanced driver', then, - that's totally unbelievable!! " Did you understand? | |||
"My beef with drivers is those that can't follow lane lines at roundabouts. Twice this week at saddlers farm I've had cars go from their lane to mine when pulling off. I now hang back a bit cos it's not only this week it's happened. " Don't you ever find the lane markings confusing if the roundabout is new to you? | |||
"............ have seen many driving instructors no longer teaching learners to use their indicators either, so its obviously no longer a requirement. Wwe have regular driving assessments at w*rk being as I drive for a Local Authority. Examiner - "You don`t need to go down through all the gears" Me - "Force of habit because I do lots of towing" Examiner - "Oh, that`s OK then!" Examiner - "No need to indicate if there`s nothing else about." Me - "I drive a tractor all day and traffic is on you quicker than you think, hence why I indicate every time" Examiner - "See what you mean....... well, we just as well go back to the yard!" "if your a tractor driver, can you please tell me why most tractor drivers no longer pull over to let the 3 mile queue they have built up over the last ten miles to get past | |||
"Sorry have to rant,just driven 70 miles down the motorway and amazed at how many drivers just drift from lane to lane without indicating.Admitedly when all lanes clear and lots of space your forgiven but the amount of brain dead idiots who do it on busy times amazes me.Are they just idiots from birth or has life made them that way !! Deep breath rant over. "Sore point for me | |||
"My beef with drivers is those that can't follow lane lines at roundabouts. Twice this week at saddlers farm I've had cars go from their lane to mine when pulling off. I now hang back a bit cos it's not only this week it's happened. Don't you ever find the lane markings confusing if the roundabout is new to you? " It's not people who don't know which lane to be in as such but those who can't follow lane markings when the lane they in and the one I'm in goes the same way. Oh I know what I mean sorry I can't explain it better. | |||
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"as a pretty new driver, I have a terrible habbit of indicating, even on empty roads at 3am. Some guy had road rage because I followed the two tyre rule at the lights and there was 6ft between me and the car in front. He got out of his car and yelled at me. I told him to read up on some facts and refused to move forward. Arrogant Twunt. Some people think they own the roads. And the volvo middle lane hoggers, need shunting over to the left and the posers with the dick enlargments, need to get from up arses on the right. Rant over! " | |||
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"Advanced drivers are taught to only indicate when it's necessary. But it is emphasised that it's " an indication of a change of direction" so important! " In which case it is not necessary on a lane change as you are still going the same direction. Common curtsey and for safty then. I was almost run over when crossing because a car didn't indicate that he was turning and he had the nerve to scream and curse at me the fuckwit  | |||
"as a pretty new driver, I have a terrible habbit of indicating, even on empty roads at 3am. Some guy had road rage because I followed the two tyre rule at the lights and there was 6ft between me and the car in front. He got out of his car and yelled at me. I told him to read up on some facts and refused to move forward. Arrogant Twunt. Some people think they own the roads. And the volvo middle lane hoggers, need shunting over to the left and the posers with the dick enlargments, need to get from up arses on the right. Rant over! " Twunt lol love it so going to steal that word. Very apt for a certain twat of a cunt I know lol | |||
"as a pretty new driver, I have a terrible habbit of indicating, even on empty roads at 3am. Some guy had road rage because I followed the two tyre rule at the lights and there was 6ft between me and the car in front. He got out of his car and yelled at me. I told him to read up on some facts and refused to move forward. Arrogant Twunt. Some people think they own the roads. And the volvo middle lane hoggers, need shunting over to the left and the posers with the dick enlargments, need to get from up arses on the right. Rant over! Twunt lol love it so going to steal that word. Very apt for a certain twat of a cunt I know lol "enjoy using it! | |||
"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous " If you're driving correctly, there should be no opportunity to undertake you. Middle lane drivers are my pet hate. It really boils my piss. They usually can't pick a speed to drive at either. Women & middle aged men are the worst culprits. *Her* | |||
"as a pretty new driver, I have a terrible habbit of indicating, even on empty roads at 3am. Some guy had road rage because I followed the two tyre rule at the lights and there was 6ft between me and the car in front. He got out of his car and yelled at me. I told him to read up on some facts and refused to move forward. Arrogant Twunt. Some people think they own the roads. And the volvo middle lane hoggers, need shunting over to the left and the posers with the dick enlargments, need to get from up arses on the right. Rant over! Twunt lol love it so going to steal that word. Very apt for a certain twat of a cunt I know lol
enjoy using it! "I shall indeed thank you | |||
"............ have seen many driving instructors no longer teaching learners to use their indicators either, so its obviously no longer a requirement. Wwe have regular driving assessments at w*rk being as I drive for a Local Authority. Examiner - "You don`t need to go down through all the gears" Me - "Force of habit because I do lots of towing" Examiner - "Oh, that`s OK then!" Examiner - "No need to indicate if there`s nothing else about." Me - "I drive a tractor all day and traffic is on you quicker than you think, hence why I indicate every time" Examiner - "See what you mean....... well, we just as well go back to the yard!"
if your a tractor driver, can you please tell me why most tractor drivers no longer pull over to let the 3 mile queue they have built up over the last ten miles to get past"I see by your location that you`re in tractor city! Loads of really big tackle to maximise production from the very fertile area you`re in! From my experience, the bigger the tractor the larger and more stable an area you`re going to need to pull off the road so before you can pull over you have to find somewhere to pull over in the first place, somewhere that you don`t have to stand on the brakes and probably lose your load or damage the kit or propell yourself through the cab windoe because it`s too bumpy! And before you ask why tractors go so slow it`s because they`re limited by law to 20 mph and yes, I have had a radar gun put on me to see I wasn`t exceeding it - twice - in the same location and by the same policeman!!! | |||
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"BMW drivers are the worst. " No, WELSH drivers are the worst.. When I moved to Wales I was shocked at how crap the drivers here are.. Tailgating, no indicating.. The list is endless | |||
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"I've nearly Benn rub over many times when a car just turns into the road I'm crossing without indicating" It's so annoying especially when they blame you | |||
"BMW drivers are the worst. No, WELSH drivers are the worst.. When I moved to Wales I was shocked at how crap the drivers here are.. Tailgating, no indicating.. The list is endless" Don't they just drive sheep? | |||
) results in muscle memory, meaning you're not going to forget at a time when it's actually needed. And lets be fair, how much effort does it take to extend a finger?
General rules for life really - don't be a dick!
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"I've nearly Benn rub over many times when a car just turns into the road I'm crossing without indicating It's so annoying especially when they blame you " Highway code gives the pedestrian right of way in that situation, not that its much good claiming that when you've been knocked over. It never ceases to amaze me the lack of consideration the average driver gives to pedestrians and other road users, or the lack of knowledge of the highway code. A friend who started driving recently was astounded when I asked her where her copy of the highway code was, I realise it's all done in the theory test now, but I know that person will never look at it again after passing the theory test. My job involves resitting all the exams every 5 years, keeps you up to date with any new methods and technologies in an ever changing situation. Time to consider something for drivingpossibly,y as many more people die on the roads in avoidable accidents than in my industry and many others. | |||
"Advanced drivers are taught to only indicate when it's necessary. But it is emphasised that it's " an indication of a change of direction" so important! In which case it is not necessary on a lane change as you are still going the same direction. Common curtsey and for safty then. I was almost run over when crossing because a car didn't indicate that he was turning and he had the nerve to scream and curse at me the fuckwit "
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"Sorry have to rant,just driven 70 miles down the motorway and amazed at how many drivers just drift from lane to lane without indicating.Admitedly when all lanes clear and lots of space your forgiven but the amount of brain dead idiots who do it on busy times amazes me.Are they just idiots from birth or has life made them that way !! Deep breath rant over. "You should try driving in Spain. Not indicating to confuse other drivers at junctions and roundabouts is a national sport. | |||
"Sorry have to rant,just driven 70 miles down the motorway and amazed at how many drivers just drift from lane to lane without indicating.Admitedly when all lanes clear and lots of space your forgiven but the amount of brain dead idiots who do it on busy times amazes me.Are they just idiots from birth or has life made them that way !! Deep breath rant over.
You should try driving in Spain. Not indicating to confuse other drivers at junctions and roundabouts is a national sport."Portugal takes some beating | |||
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"right then , the under taking on motorways bit , you are in the left hand lane traveling at 70 mph, you come up to a lorry , indicate right , come out into middle lane , you then see that 2 hundred yds in front you have another line of lorries that you will be upon in 15 secs , would you drop into the left hand or stay where you are for the next few secs before you overtake these lorries , this is what happened to me a week or two ago , nothing in the fast lane on a emptyish motorway but the dick insisted on undertaking oh yes and it is in the highway code , do not undertake ,,,,, it is bloody dangerous " If the lorries were travelling at 60mph it's more like 45 seconds to cover the 200 meters, have you got time to pull out of the way then? If you're not in a hurry your perception of time may be different to someone whom is in a hurry. Undertaking is only dangerous if you are not aware of what is going on around you. If you rely on other people obeying any or all rules to remain safe, you probably won't feel safe. Personally I'd have used the outside lane to go around you, if the outer lane was empty. It's not always illegal to undertake but mostly is. It's not that hard to change lanes, it takes seconds and at motorway speeds very little control input is required. If someone is coming behind you move over, if not then it's not a problem if you spend a minute longer in the middle lane. Last week travelling down the M4 I spent 5 minutes or so following two cars doing 70mph in the outside lane, nothing for large distances on middle or left lanes, only after undertaking them did they wake up and start using the left hand lanes. I had three choices, start flashing lights at them, but then the middle car of the three would have been refusing to move over as he was waiting behind the first car to move over, sit behind them for miles more, adding to the problem of not moving over or simply undertaking them. If they hadn't been sat in the outside lane for no good reason whatsoever then I wouldn't have had to slow down or undertake. | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !!" Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. | |||
"right then , the under taking on motorways bit , you are in the left hand lane traveling at 70 mph, you come up to a lorry , indicate right , come out into middle lane , you then see that 2 hundred yds in front you have another line of lorries that you will be upon in 15 secs , would you drop into the left hand or stay where you are for the next few secs before you overtake these lorries , this is what happened to me a week or two ago , nothing in the fast lane on a emptyish motorway but the dick insisted on undertaking oh yes and it is in the highway code , do not undertake ,,,,, it is bloody dangerous If the lorries were travelling at 60mph it's more like 45 seconds to cover the 200 meters, have you got time to pull out of the way then? If you're not in a hurry your perception of time may be different to someone whom is in a hurry. Undertaking is only dangerous if you are not aware of what is going on around you. If you rely on other people obeying any or all rules to remain safe, you probably won't feel safe. Personally I'd have used the outside lane to go around you, if the outer lane was empty. It's not always illegal to undertake but mostly is. It's not that hard to change lanes, it takes seconds and at motorway speeds very little control input is required. If someone is coming behind you move over, if not then it's not a problem if you spend a minute longer in the middle lane. Last week travelling down the M4 I spent 5 minutes or so following two cars doing 70mph in the outside lane, nothing for large distances on middle or left lanes, only after undertaking them did they wake up and start using the left hand lanes. I had three choices, start flashing lights at them, but then the middle car of the three would have been refusing to move over as he was waiting behind the first car to move over, sit behind them for miles more, adding to the problem of not moving over or simply undertaking them. If they hadn't been sat in the outside lane for no good reason whatsoever then I wouldn't have had to slow down or undertake. " ok it may not of been 200 yds , but the distance involved meant that it was pointless dropping into the inside lane to literaly come straight back again ,,, the outside lane was clear , so it was some dick head of a driver who thought it clever to cut in behind me floor it and cut out across the front of me ,,,, if the outside lane was fast flowing then yes I would of moved in as I saw him come up behind me but it wasnt it was empty and that is my point ,,,,, why undertake , what a twatt !!!! | |||
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"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. " Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. | |||
"just been on a web site to find out a bit more , it seems I was wrong on one count , in 1972 the road trafic act was changed and was made to be not illegal to undertake on a motorway learn something every day " It was by the sound of it though, illegal in the way you were undertaken. Swerving around and changing lanes combined with undertaking is not legal. Careless or dangerous driving is what you can be charged with. | |||
I've even been known to indicate left on a single carriage way to let other drivers whom I'm not going fast enough to pass when the opposite side is clear(comes from when I used to tow). Especially the ones who drive like a 'twunt' - I rather them in front then behind me! | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. " How many drivers are fully observant and members of the institute of advanced drivers. Don't they also teach people to cut corners and ignore lanes on roundabouts when quiet and cross hands whilst steering? Riding the clutch which is a no no on a standard test iirc is also taught by the advanced peeps. Who is more dangerous on the road, someone who indicates at all times or someone who chooses to indicate some of the time? Are they guarenteed to be 100% aware all of the time or do they just assume so? Okay on motorways you can be fairly sure, but in built up areas it's harder to be 100% aware of everything. | |||
"Modern cars now equipped that all you need to do is tap the indicator stick and it flashes for several seconds - not much effort at all!
I've even been known to indicate left on a single carriage way to let other drivers whom I'm not going fast enough to pass when the opposite side is clear(comes from when I used to tow). Especially the ones who drive like a 'twunt' - I rather them in front then behind me! "I'm sorry, but that may be helpful to suggest the road is clear but by no means should be taken as proof! | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. " I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you" I assume like me you are an IAM trained driver. I took the course 30 years ago. I was taught observation was paramount. To indicate to an empty road was frowned upon and deemed a fault! | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you I assume like me you are an IAM trained driver. I took the course 30 years ago. I was taught observation was paramount. To indicate to an empty road was frowned upon and deemed a fault! " around about the same time yes in Middlesex,It seems that different Instructors have different ways, My Motorcycle examiner asked me why i indicated when i first pulled away which i found very strange | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you I assume like me you are an IAM trained driver. I took the course 30 years ago. I was taught observation was paramount. To indicate to an empty road was frowned upon and deemed a fault! around about the same time yes in Middlesex,It seems that different Instructors have different ways, My Motorcycle examiner asked me why i indicated when i first pulled away which i found very strange " I would have thought the examination was fairly consistent. My motorcycle trainer had the same view. I agree as it happens. | |||
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"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous I don't get this one. I'd never even heard of this until I came to the UK, it's common practise in NZ. Cars have mirrors on both sides after all. (travelling by car is pretty much mandatory in NZ because the public transport is nearly non-exisitent) Why is going past someone on the left worse than going past on the right? If your mirrors are set up right you don't have any blind spots... "Driving in NZ is ssssoooooooo much more affordable, also - & have not just boy racers (guilty, used to be ) to contend with, but middle aged & old boy racers also!!
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"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you I assume like me you are an IAM trained driver. I took the course 30 years ago. I was taught observation was paramount. To indicate to an empty road was frowned upon and deemed a fault! around about the same time yes in Middlesex,It seems that different Instructors have different ways, My Motorcycle examiner asked me why i indicated when i first pulled away which i found very strange " My instructor said the same - observations should be thorough.. And if nobody is nearby, indicating isn't necessary. However, that's the only time she said that would be wise. I suspect it's highly unusual to not indicate on a motorway or dual carriage way since you're supposed to stay on left lane unless overtaking....so at least one driver could do with that information... And they'd also like to know you're returning to the left lane again... | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you I assume like me you are an IAM trained driver. I took the course 30 years ago. I was taught observation was paramount. To indicate to an empty road was frowned upon and deemed a fault! around about the same time yes in Middlesex,It seems that different Instructors have different ways, My Motorcycle examiner asked me why i indicated when i first pulled away which i found very strange My instructor said the same - observations should be thorough.. And if nobody is nearby, indicating isn't necessary. However, that's the only time she said that would be wise. I suspect it's highly unusual to not indicate on a motorway or dual carriage way since you're supposed to stay on left lane unless overtaking....so at least one driver could do with that information... And they'd also like to know you're returning to the left lane again..." Not sure why you are lecturing me | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you I assume like me you are an IAM trained driver. I took the course 30 years ago. I was taught observation was paramount. To indicate to an empty road was frowned upon and deemed a fault! around about the same time yes in Middlesex,It seems that different Instructors have different ways, My Motorcycle examiner asked me why i indicated when i first pulled away which i found very strange My instructor said the same - observations should be thorough.. And if nobody is nearby, indicating isn't necessary. However, that's the only time she said that would be wise. I suspect it's highly unusual to not indicate on a motorway or dual carriage way since you're supposed to stay on left lane unless overtaking....so at least one driver could do with that information... And they'd also like to know you're returning to the left lane again... Not sure why you are lecturing me " I quoted another poster who had a similar experience with her instructor.... Not sure why you'd assume I was referring to you....but to clarify, my message was not directed at you. | |||
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"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous " Don't hog the lane then. | |||
"You should read a couple of the above posts, Abi, regarding the views of instructers!!! Seems as though they have to bare some of the responsibility of the road toll !! Well its been a long time since I've been I a car with an instructor, maybe they also need periodic reassessment. Indicating should really be second nature and not based on whether you think as a driver that you cannot be seen by anyone else. The results of someone not indicating when they should have can be a lot worse than the result of someone indicating when they might not of needed to. Why indicate to no one? If you do then you're not aware of the traffic around you and in the view of the institute of advanced drivers not fully observant. I'm old school, my IAM instructor told me that everything should be second nature,If you use the gears correctly and indicate every single time its one less thing to concentrate on and leaves more brain cells free to spot potential problems around you I assume like me you are an IAM trained driver. I took the course 30 years ago. I was taught observation was paramount. To indicate to an empty road was frowned upon and deemed a fault! around about the same time yes in Middlesex,It seems that different Instructors have different ways, My Motorcycle examiner asked me why i indicated when i first pulled away which i found very strange My instructor said the same - observations should be thorough.. And if nobody is nearby, indicating isn't necessary. However, that's the only time she said that would be wise. I suspect it's highly unusual to not indicate on a motorway or dual carriage way since you're supposed to stay on left lane unless overtaking....so at least one driver could do with that information... And they'd also like to know you're returning to the left lane again... Not sure why you are lecturing me " I see no indication of this. | |||
"Is it against the law to not indicate? "the best, and worst, thing about "the Law" is ..... it may be. Or it may not. | |||
"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous Don't hog the lane then. " errrr at what point did I say that I hog the middle lane ,,,, are you saying that undertaking on the motorway is a good idea like to think im a reasonable and considerate driver | |||
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"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous " Middle laners cause this. My lorry hates middle laners. Its not actually classed as undertaking if you are in lane at a maintained speed and numpty is in the middle causing mayhem. I cant over take them as lorries cant use 3rd lan Also indicate to overtake a vehicle but you are not required to indicate to pull back in lane at the end of the manoeuvre although it can be useful. | |||
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"There is no way that you can observe everything both in front or behind you that has the potential to see you - that why you always indicate, - it ain't rocket science; though from what I've read here, to some actual instructors, it possibly is. Amazing!" If you can't observe everything sufficiently to be sure you are in control of your vehicle and safe, it's you who are the danger......it's an excuse to say" I indicated so it's all ok" the use of the indicator is the sign of the intensional to change direction, not a guarantee it's safe to do so!!! | |||
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"Next time count how many LARGE GERMAN MADE CARS didnt indicate, i got the mrs onto it n was surprised. AND LORRY DRIVERS THAT INDICATE AFTER THEY'VE STARTED PULLING OUT. Yes it is annoying fixed it for you "Fixed it a bit more. | |||
"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous Don't hog the lane then. errrr at what point did I say that I hog the middle lane ,,,, are you saying that undertaking on the motorway is a good idea like to think im a reasonable and considerate driver " If you can be under taken then you are in the wrong lane. | |||
"Personally, I believe we are all taught to pass the test and not necessarily to drive instinctively. Also, the rules have changed over the years and I suggest we all fail to keep up with the changes, (apart from instructors) " It is true. I am an avid biker too. On the test now you are trained to ride in a slow and upright rigid position. Leaning around bends etc. will get you a fail. However in real day to day riding adopting this upright method will end up with you in a hedge or head first into an oncoming vehicle on twisty roads. On the racetrack we hang off the bike and knees often scrape the track leaning tight into corners. It is the proven and worldwide adopted safe way to ride . A less emphasised lean should be taught as a safety issue . Just as lane safety should be more rigidly taught for cars etc. Remember there is no fast lane on the motorway - only ovrrtaking lanes they are all 70 mph As roads have become busier basics such as roundabouts have changed slightly with multi lanes etc. As an old biker I can tell you that in general car drivers today are far more aware of motorbikes than 20 - 30 years ago. The shiny side up campaign ( those yellow signs ) have been a great influence. Of course the middle laners are aware of nothing! Just as you get the opportunity to go on a speed awareness course if caught speeding I would love to see middle laners forced on lane awareness courses. Anyhow may I wish you all a safe and trouble free journey - today and always
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"I'm a lollipop lady and the amount of people who don't indicate on the school run is ridiculous. Worst offenders are the parents, taxis taking kids to School. There could have been quite a few accidents if I wasnt on the ball. rant over " Hit them with your lolly stick xx | |||
"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous Don't hog the lane then. errrr at what point did I say that I hog the middle lane ,,,, are you saying that undertaking on the motorway is a good idea like to think im a reasonable and considerate driver If you can be under taken then you are in the wrong lane." I would tend to agree but with some of the muppetts on the roads nowadays they seem to have a pleasure in making stupid manouvres making others to taking avoiding action ,,,, so I take it from the rightious on here that i am wrong when over taking a lorry for staying in the middle lane for a 'few ' repeat few more seconds to overtake the next lorry , if you pull into a small gap between lorries you make them have to brake , yet this muppeteer thought it was probably very clever and amusing to play silly buggers between 2 artic lorries and my self . its very easy to be rightious but unless you were there then you cant comment , the crazy thing was the out side lane was nearly empty | |||
"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous Don't hog the lane then. errrr at what point did I say that I hog the middle lane ,,,, are you saying that undertaking on the motorway is a good idea like to think im a reasonable and considerate driver If you can be under taken then you are in the wrong lane. I would tend to agree but with some of the muppetts on the roads nowadays they seem to have a pleasure in making stupid manouvres making others to taking avoiding action ,,,, so I take it from the rightious on here that i am wrong when over taking a lorry for staying in the middle lane for a 'few ' repeat few more seconds to overtake the next lorry , if you pull into a small gap between lorries you make them have to brake , yet this muppeteer thought it was probably very clever and amusing to play silly buggers between 2 artic lorries and my self . its very easy to be rightious but unless you were there then you cant comment , the crazy thing was the out side lane was nearly empty " I've seen people undertake when cars in the outside lane were doing 80+!! Evidently that is not fast enough for them. | |||
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"I'm a lollipop lady and the amount of people who don't indicate on the school run is ridiculous. Worst offenders are the parents, taxis taking kids to School. There could have been quite a few accidents if I wasnt on the ball. rant over Hit them with your lolly stick xx "Unfortunately we are not allowed to but I knew of one man who used to "tap" the front of cars if they got too close to him | |||
"Personally, I believe we are all taught to pass the test and not necessarily to drive instinctively. Also, the rules have changed over the years and I suggest we all fail to keep up with the changes, (apart from instructors) It is true. I am an avid biker too. On the test now you are trained to ride in a slow and upright rigid position. Leaning around bends etc. will get you a fail. However in real day to day riding adopting this upright method will end up with you in a hedge or head first into an oncoming vehicle on twisty roads. On the racetrack we hang off the bike and knees often scrape the track leaning tight into corners. It is the proven and worldwide adopted safe way to ride . A less emphasised lean should be taught as a safety issue . Just as lane safety should be more rigidly taught for cars etc. Remember there is no fast lane on the motorway - only ovrrtaking lanes they are all 70 mph As roads have become busier basics such as roundabouts have changed slightly with multi lanes etc. As an old biker I can tell you that in general car drivers today are far more aware of motorbikes than 20 - 30 years ago. The shiny side up campaign ( those yellow signs ) have been a great influence. Of course the middle laners are aware of nothing! Just as you get the opportunity to go on a speed awareness course if caught speeding I would love to see middle laners forced on lane awareness courses. Anyhow may I wish you all a safe and trouble free journey - today and always
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"Personally, I believe we are all taught to pass the test and not necessarily to drive instinctively. Also, the rules have changed over the years and I suggest we all fail to keep up with the changes, (apart from instructors) It is true. I am an avid biker too. On the test now you are trained to ride in a slow and upright rigid position. Leaning around bends etc. will get you a fail. However in real day to day riding adopting this upright method will end up with you in a hedge or head first into an oncoming vehicle on twisty roads. On the racetrack we hang off the bike and knees often scrape the track leaning tight into corners. It is the proven and worldwide adopted safe way to ride . A less emphasised lean should be taught as a safety issue . Just as lane safety should be more rigidly taught for cars etc. Remember there is no fast lane on the motorway - only ovrrtaking lanes they are all 70 mph As roads have become busier basics such as roundabouts have changed slightly with multi lanes etc. As an old biker I can tell you that in general car drivers today are far more aware of motorbikes than 20 - 30 years ago. The shiny side up campaign ( those yellow signs ) have been a great influence. Of course the middle laners are aware of nothing! Just as you get the opportunity to go on a speed awareness course if caught speeding I would love to see middle laners forced on lane awareness courses. Anyhow may I wish you all a safe and trouble free journey - today and always
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"Next time count how many LARGE GERMAN MADE CARS didnt indicate, i got the mrs onto it n was surprised. AND LORRY DRIVERS THAT INDICATE AFTER THEY'VE STARTED PULLING OUT. Yes it is annoying fixed it for you
Fixed it a bit more."I don't think it's limited to German cars, there is s chance you are a bit blinkered? | |||
"There is no way that you can observe everything both in front or behind you that has the potential to see you - that why you always indicate, - it ain't rocket science; though from what I've read here, to some actual instructors, it possibly is. Amazing! If you can't observe everything sufficiently to be sure you are in control of your vehicle and safe, it's you who are the danger......it's an excuse to say" I indicated so it's all ok" the use of the indicator is the sign of the intensional to change direction, not a guarantee it's safe to do so!!!" So, how can you see every car about to pull on to your road but can actually see you indicating? how do you see a pedestrian who's hidden by a tree or whatever & is about to cross the road but thinks better of it because they can see you indicating? Indicating isn't about what you can see, it's all about who can see you! Fine instructers they were!! | |||
"There is no way that you can observe everything both in front or behind you that has the potential to see you - that why you always indicate, - it ain't rocket science; though from what I've read here, to some actual instructors, it possibly is. Amazing! If you can't observe everything sufficiently to be sure you are in control of your vehicle and safe, it's you who are the danger......it's an excuse to say" I indicated so it's all ok" the use of the indicator is the sign of the intensional to change direction, not a guarantee it's safe to do so!!! So, how can you see every car about to pull on to your road but can actually see you indicating? how do you see a pedestrian who's hidden by a tree or whatever & is about to cross the road but thinks better of it because they can see you indicating? Indicating isn't about what you can see, it's all about who can see you! Fine instructers they were!!" Sorry but you're a real worry, I hope I'm never on the same road as you! | |||
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"Cant answer them questions, then? When you've been driving commercially for decades, you realise that every scenario will eventually happen. I think firstly you have to realise the true perpose of indicating (& this instructor you talk about, too by the sound of it), then you'll realise the obvious flaw in your argument. But drive safe, AnYhoW! "As a driver for over 40 years, a member of the IAM taken part in several advanced driver courses run by the police for motorcycle and car. I can only say they all say the same. Maybe they are all wrong and you are right. | |||
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"I'm afraid on this particular point - obviously yes!! It's no wonder why we have these problems - all is becoming clear!!" How arrogant! | |||
"I'm afraid on this particular point - obviously yes!! It's no wonder why we have these problems - all is becoming clear!! How arrogant! " Arrogant? Read your own posts, dude!!! - & try answering them two simple questions - you have all morning Mr _tressfree | |||
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"I'm afraid on this particular point - obviously yes!! It's no wonder why we have these problems - all is becoming clear!! How arrogant! Arrogant? Read your own posts, dude!!! - & try answering them two simple questions - you have all morning Mr _tressfree "No reasoning with you....just go your own sweet way. Just don't kill anyone on your journey | |||
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"And what is it about Citroën Berlingo drivers who drive in the middle of the road to avoid potholes. I ask you! " at 3am my honeybee! Nowt wrong with that! Get back in ya Volvo and stick to the left hand lane on motorway. Make sure you aren't sucking away on your pipe  | |||
"................. It is true. I am an avid biker too. On the test now you are trained to ride in a slow and upright rigid position. Leaning around bends etc. will get you a fail. However in real day to day riding adopting this upright method will end up with you in a hedge or head first into an oncoming vehicle on twisty roads. On the racetrack we hang off the bike and knees often scrape the track leaning tight into corners. It is the proven and worldwide adopted safe way to ride . A less emphasised lean should be taught as a safety issue . Just as lane safety should be more rigidly taught for cars etc. ........." Do they teach the sixth sense of being able to anticapate a patch of spilt diesel or the like hidden around the next bend? Or does that come naturally? Within 1/4 mile of my first driving lesson with my instructor driving, I`d had it hammered into me that I always had to be able to come to a stop within my field of vision - if I couldn`t see very far than I had to slow down! The number of bikes I`ve seen on their sides because they were leaning around bends and couldn`t stop .... On the track, fine. On the highway? Never!!!! | |||
"................. @@@@@@@@@ It is true. I am an avid biker too. On the test now you are trained to ride in a slow and upright rigid position. Leaning around bends etc. will get you a fail. However in real day to day riding adopting this upright method will end up with you in a hedge or head first into an oncoming vehicle on twisty roads. On the racetrack we hang off the bike and knees often scrape the track leaning tight into corners. It is the proven and worldwide adopted safe way to ride . A less emphasised lean should be taught as a safety issue . Just as lane safety should be more rigidly taught for cars etc. ......... Do they teach the sixth sense of being able to anticapate a patch of spilt diesel or the like hidden around the next bend? Or does that come naturally? Within 1/4 mile of my first driving lesson with my instructor driving, I`d had it hammered into me that I always had to be able to come to a stop within my field of vision - if I couldn`t see very far than I had to slow down! The number of bikes I`ve seen on their sides because they were leaning around bends and couldn`t stop .... On the track, fine. On the highway? Never!!!!" Whether you are driving a car or bike on the road going too fast will cause accidents. A good motorcycle sports tyre has a greater contact area on the side than upright. Leaning allows the motorcycle to negotiate bends easier as it gives a better turning circle and weight distribution. This method is something that comes with experience and is probably why you are taught upright slow riding. The test is too ensure you are safe . However advanced drivers and riders are taught a different way. Now you can drive safely lets show you how you can really drive type training.
Advanced training teaches how to get out of trouble.
Handling in wet, braking etc. etc.
As you say the road is not a racetrack
Treating it like one is a recipe for disaster. The key elements for safety are Awareness experience and education.
On my motorcycle I like riding in excess of 180 mph. I like doing 100mph wheelies. I like riding into bends on the edge of my back tire, at 130 mph +
All in the controlled environment of a racetrack where we have no indicators where we under and overtake and ride too close for comfort.
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"Surely speed isn't necessarily the cause of accidents, unless you are driving faster than your capabilities! What does cause accidents are mistakes..." Correct. But not always. Usually you will find the regular mistakers practising in the middle lane. Mistakers are usually unaware of whats happening around them, inexperienced, untrained. Drifting along in their bubble often , but not always,in a road rage as everyone keeps cutting them up and sounding their horn and driving much faster than their 55 mph which they believe gives them max mpg. Driving for them is a mix of trauma and oblivion. Im all for speed but unfortunately with so many untrained drivers its not best on the public road. Unfortunately drivers have varying levels of skills . Some people are naturally good at dancing others havent got a clue and seem very disorganised in their movements - the same applies to driving. Hence the need for a comprehensive driving code and training. Its all about safety and avoiding accidents. Recently driving on the M69 towards Leicester in my lorry there was unexpected black ice. On the opposite side of the road 3 cars off the road two on their roofs. I had to slow to under 30 mph I was sliding and wheel spinning. MOST drivers slowed down too - others clearly oblivous to the elemental dangers were overtaking at 70 mph plus still. Very scary expecting the worse praying it didnt happen to them. Shortly after the police closed the road as the excess speeds were causing carnage. Apparently over 7 bad accidents. So yes speed does cause accidents. Misjudgement is another key word
Keep driving safely guys and stay alive for more fab fun you know it makes sense
Have a great day all.
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 just kidding lol
When you are as vulnerable a road user as a biker, you realise just how distracted/ignorant humanity can be.
I've had a taxi driver a few years back suddenly start his 3 point turn right in front of me as I was cornering...
I swerved to avoid this hazard and came to an immediate stop behind him.... With a passenger sitting right next to him, he continues to reverse without even looking behind him and *bang* lol bikes knocked straight to the floor, man in a van nearby jumps out and starts shouting his head off on my behalf lol I won the case but my insurance premium rocketed nonetheless.
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"Fog lights! Always meet people with their bloody fog lights on when it isn't foggy, other day could hardly see in front for fog and nobody had their foggies on...wtf is that about! GRRRR!" Pet hate nr 4 for me! Bit of mist, on go the fog lights!!! Grrrrr!!! Fog lights are only needed when normal lights can't be seen. Rule if thumb for me is if you are doing more than 40mph the fog is not thick enough for fog lights ! Amazes me when you see some one fly past with front and rear fog lights on doing about 90mph ! In my 28 years if driving I think I've used my fog lights about 5 times. And why why why can people turn them on at the hint of mist but somehow can't turn them off until about a week later ?? Twats !!  | |||
"Fog lights! Always meet people with their bloody fog lights on when it isn't foggy, other day could hardly see in front for fog and nobody had their foggies on...wtf is that about! GRRRR! Pet hate nr 4 for me! Bit of mist, on go the fog lights!!! Grrrrr!!! Fog lights are only needed when normal lights can't be seen. Rule if thumb for me is if you are doing more than 40mph the fog is not thick enough for fog lights ! Amazes me when you see some one fly past with front and rear fog lights on doing about 90mph ! In my 28 years if driving I think I've used my fog lights about 5 times. And why why why can people turn them on at the hint of mist but somehow can't turn them off until about a week later ?? Twats !! " | |||
"Surely speed isn't necessarily the cause of accidents, unless you are driving faster than your capabilities! What does cause accidents are mistakes... Correct. But not always. Usually you will find the regular mistakers practising in the middle lane. Mistakers are usually unaware of whats happening around them, inexperienced, untrained. Drifting along in their bubble often , but not always,in a road rage as everyone keeps cutting them up and sounding their horn and driving much faster than their 55 mph which they believe gives them max mpg. Driving for them is a mix of trauma and oblivion. Im all for speed but unfortunately with so many untrained drivers its not best on the public road. Unfortunately drivers have varying levels of skills . Some people are naturally good at dancing others havent got a clue and seem very disorganised in their movements - the same applies to driving. Hence the need for a comprehensive driving code and training. Its all about safety and avoiding accidents. Recently driving on the M69 towards Leicester in my lorry there was unexpected black ice. On the opposite side of the road 3 cars off the road two on their roofs. I had to slow to under 30 mph I was sliding and wheel spinning. MOST drivers slowed down too - others clearly oblivous to the elemental dangers were overtaking at 70 mph plus still. Very scary expecting the worse praying it didnt happen to them. Shortly after the police closed the road as the excess speeds were causing carnage. Apparently over 7 bad accidents. So yes speed does cause accidents. Misjudgement is another key word
Keep driving safely guys and stay alive for more fab fun you know it makes sense
Have a great day all.
"Speed does NOT cause accidents...INAPPROPRIATE SPEED causes accidents, as inappropriate speed u48mph is unsafe. It's a lovely dry summers day, it's 2 in the afternoon, there's nobody around, and there are no other vehicles on the road. I'm doing 50 MPH - the speed limit. Now take the same bit of road. It's winter, it's been raining, the temperature has dropped to below freezing. It's dark.... and it's foggy. There are other vehicles on the road, and there are also quite a few pedestrians and cyclists around. I'm driving at 50 MPH, the same speed as before. Am I just as likely to have an accident, or more likely to have an accident? Or another example.... a motorway, speed limit is 70. everything that is on the road is doing 70... apart from one driver, who is doing 48. Who is the more likely to cause an accident, possibly resulting in death? The drivers doing 70, or the motorist driving at an inappropriate 48mph? | |||
"under taking on motorways should be a 6 point fine , bloody dangerous " how is it possible to undertake on a motorway if everyone is in the correct lane? | |||
"Surely speed isn't necessarily the cause of accidents, unless you are driving faster than your capabilities! What does cause accidents are mistakes... Correct. But not always. Usually you will find the regular mistakers practising in the middle lane. Mistakers are usually unaware of whats happening around them, inexperienced, untrained. Drifting along in their bubble often , but not always,in a road rage as everyone keeps cutting them up and sounding their horn and driving much faster than their 55 mph which they believe gives them max mpg. Driving for them is a mix of trauma and oblivion. Im all for speed but unfortunately with so many untrained drivers its not best on the public road. Unfortunately drivers have varying levels of skills . Some people are naturally good at dancing others havent got a clue and seem very disorganised in their movements - the same applies to driving. Hence the need for a comprehensive driving code and training. Its all about safety and avoiding accidents. Recently driving on the M69 towards Leicester in my lorry there was unexpected black ice. On the opposite side of the road 3 cars off the road two on their roofs. I had to slow to under 30 mph I was sliding and wheel spinning. MOST drivers slowed down too - others clearly oblivous to the elemental dangers were overtaking at 70 mph plus still. Very scary expecting the worse praying it didnt happen to them. Shortly after the police closed the road as the excess speeds were causing carnage. Apparently over 7 bad accidents. So yes speed does cause accidents. Misjudgement is another key word
Keep driving safely guys and stay alive for more fab fun you know it makes sense
Have a great day all.
Speed does NOT cause accidents...INAPPROPRIATE SPEED causes accidents, as inappropriate speed u48mph is unsafe.
It's a lovely dry summers day, it's 2 in the afternoon, there's nobody around, and there are no other vehicles on the road. I'm doing 50 MPH - the speed limit.
Now take the same bit of road. It's winter, it's been raining, the temperature has dropped to below freezing. It's dark.... and it's foggy. There are other vehicles on the road, and there are also quite a few pedestrians and cyclists around. I'm driving at 50 MPH, the same speed as before.
Am I just as likely to have an accident, or more likely to have an accident?
Or another example.... a motorway, speed limit is 70. everything that is on the road is doing 70... apart from one driver, who is doing 48.
Who is the more likely to cause an accident, possibly resulting in death? The drivers doing 70, or the motorist driving at an inappropriate 48mph?
"According to statistics, the one doing 48 if on a motorway. | |||
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"I drive for a living, indicators and lack of lane discipline are my pet hates along with the use of mobile phones while driving and the disposal of cigarette ends. " Hear Hear! All my pet hates too! | |||
