FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > agree with daily mail
agree with daily mail
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
I am gobsmacked i actually agreewith something they headline today.
Due to folk affected by floods which has affected so many here they are asking for some of the £11 billion in foreign aid to be diverted to flood defences this i agree wholly with this is a natural diaster on scale not known before.
Sadly this will be little comfort to those poor folk affected and in need of help.
I hope government actually does this as need to consider uk as well as other nations. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
They have money to give to the floods all this talk of there is no money left is bollox they can magic up money when they feel like it, like that time we gave loads of money to bail out Ireland, where did that suddenly appear from when they'd been harping on about cuts and no money being left. I don't buy into it.
plus foreign aid is not given out of the goodness of there hearts, it's merely bribes we get plenty in return.
I feel for those flooded but this was due to happen and the government as usual did not prepare for it, at least the are not starving and dying from drinking dirty water and have access to free health care, were stil extremely fortunate in this country and you can hardly compare it to the floods in the Philippines etc. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I dont care what the issue is. If your agreeing with the mail, you need help. Councilling to start, then maybe a short course of ECT, if that fails I suggest Beachy Head. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Ladyluck you talk a lot of sense.
why thank you  "
not quite all sense....
you do know the money given to ireland to help with their bailout has
a) been given back
b) was given back with interest..... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I am gobsmacked i actually agreewith something they headline today.
Due to folk affected by floods which has affected so many here they are asking for some of the £11 billion in foreign aid to be diverted to flood defences this i agree wholly with this is a natural diaster on scale not known before.
Right behind you on this. Well said
Sadly this will be little comfort to those poor folk affected and in need of help.
I hope government actually does this as need to consider uk as well as other nations."
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"They have money to give to the floods all this talk of there is no money left is bollox they can magic up money when they feel like it, like that time we gave loads of money to bail out Ireland, where did that suddenly appear from when they'd been harping on about cuts and no money being left. I don't buy into it.
plus foreign aid is not given out of the goodness of there hearts, it's merely bribes we get plenty in return.
I feel for those flooded but this was due to happen and the government as usual did not prepare for it, at least the are not starving and dying from drinking dirty water and have access to free health care, were stil extremely fortunate in this country and you can hardly compare it to the floods in the Philippines etc."
not comparing to phillipines this is to do with folk here getting help. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I dont care what the issue is. If your agreeing with the mail, you need help. Councilling to start, then maybe a short course of ECT, if that fails I suggest Beachy Head."
Beachy head is in my sat nav |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Ladyluck you talk a lot of sense.
why thank you
not quite all sense....
you do know the money given to ireland to help with their bailout has
a) been given back
b) was given back with interest....."
The point was where did the money come in the first place? Where did the money to bail out Greece twice come from? All this talk that there is nothing left and we all have to bear the brunt of the banks fucking up is bollox, the money CAN be found we they want to! The flooding has been on the cards for a long time thy knew this was gonna happen so why was there not money invested to prepare for this? The Somerset residents have said they have been asking for the rivers to be dredged to avoid this happening but with cuts to the environmental agency his never happened.
The same with the rail network down here in the southwest, been in need of updating for years and always fund never forthcoming and now the main line to London is in the sea.
If you can magic money up to bail out other countries you can sure as hell magic up money to update our infrastructure to deal with the changing more dangerous weather than has been known to be coming for a long time.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"They have money to give to the floods all this talk of there is no money left is bollox they can magic up money when they feel like it, like that time we gave loads of money to bail out Ireland, where did that suddenly appear from when they'd been harping on about cuts and no money being left. I don't buy into it.
plus foreign aid is not given out of the goodness of there hearts, it's merely bribes we get plenty in return.
I feel for those flooded but this was due to happen and the government as usual did not prepare for it, at least the are not starving and dying from drinking dirty water and have access to free health care, were stil extremely fortunate in this country and you can hardly compare it to the floods in the Philippines etc.
not comparing to phillipines this is to do with folk here getting help."
Of course they should get help, im saying foreign aid is not given at the expense of uk folk, there is money for both the goverment just choose not to give it to us. Thy look after the their rich pals by letting them off there tax bill and let the ordinary folk like us suffer and pick up the tab. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Ladyluck you talk a lot of sense.
why thank you
not quite all sense....
you do know the money given to ireland to help with their bailout has
a) been given back
b) was given back with interest....."
ps if that money was paid back with interest why have us ordinary folk not felt the benefit of that money coming back into the economy? Why are people suffering at the hands of goverment cuts? Cause the goverment dont give a shit about us normal folk that's why, they'll keep on cuttinf and using benefits as a scapegoat for the deficit when it's all really a smoke screen. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"again you want to use greece as an example...
No UK money has gone into bailing out Greece... that was the eurozone! "
Are we part of the Eurozone? Greece going bust would of affected all members of the Europen Union no? Do we not jave money tied up in the Eurozone? So were just freeloaders in the Euro? I don't believe that for a second. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"again you want to use greece as an example...
No UK money has gone into bailing out Greece... that was the eurozone!"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
As Fabio said. The Grrek bailout money was the EU central bank.
You live near a river, you are at increased risk of being flooded.
With the volume of water that has fallen in the past few weeks the flooding of the Somerset levels was inevitable. Dredging or not. There was too much water for the watercourse. Ditto the Thames and many other rivers currently on high alert.
The rail line in Cornwall has stood for decades to the sea with no ill effects. Then we have extreme storm surges and tides and it gets fucked. That's nothing to do with a lack of money being spent on it.
Nice to see the Wail with it's usual jingoism though.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"again you want to use greece as an example...
No UK money has gone into bailing out Greece... that was the eurozone!
Are we part of the Eurozone? Greece going bust would of affected all members of the Europen Union no? Do we not jave money tied up in the Eurozone? So were just freeloaders in the Euro? I don't believe that for a second."
are we part of the Eurozone? no we are not...
The eurozone are those countries who use the Euro as their currency and thus banking policy is determined by the ECB (European Central Bank)
Actually most of the money used to bail out Greece actually came from the IMF and Germany.....
again... no UK money was or has been used to bail out greece...
if you are going to rant... at least know what you are ranting about |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
"
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK..... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"again you want to use greece as an example...
No UK money has gone into bailing out Greece... that was the eurozone!
Are we part of the Eurozone? Greece going bust would of affected all members of the Europen Union no? Do we not jave money tied up in the Eurozone? So were just freeloaders in the Euro? I don't believe that for a second.
are we part of the Eurozone? no we are not...
The eurozone are those countries who use the Euro as their currency and thus banking policy is determined by the ECB (European Central Bank)
Actually most of the money used to bail out Greece actually came from the IMF and Germany.....
again... no UK money was or has been used to bail out greece...
if you are going to rant... at least know what you are ranting about"
The best post ever.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
As for where does the money come from?
Of course governments can find money when they have to. They either raid the contingency fund, divert it from other budgets, increase taxation, or add it to the existing borrowing requirement.
Take 50/50 or phone a friend if you like.
For me knocking a few despots for their bung would be the right answer.
And I would much sooner read the Mail or Telegraph that the Socialist rags the Guardian and Mirror. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
The point I was making that you decided to ignore is that money CAN be found when it suits them, if we are so broke why are companies being let off paying what is due and yet spending cuts are hitting the normal folk hard? Because they are looking after there own. They voted to give themselves a payrise yet most people are facing a paycut in real terms, where is the money coming from to pay for mp's payrise?
There is a real problem weith the distribution of UK funds that is the issue and the point im making, its unfair and the excuses the goverment give are bullshit. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK....."
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK.....
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart."
That's as clumsy a diversionary tactic as I've ever seen. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"again you want to use greece as an example...
No UK money has gone into bailing out Greece... that was the eurozone!
Are we part of the Eurozone? Greece going bust would of affected all members of the Europen Union no? Do we not jave money tied up in the Eurozone? So were just freeloaders in the Euro? I don't believe that for a second.
are we part of the Eurozone? no we are not...
The eurozone are those countries who use the Euro as their currency and thus banking policy is determined by the ECB (European Central Bank)
Actually most of the money used to bail out Greece actually came from the IMF and Germany.....
again... no UK money was or has been used to bail out greece...
if you are going to rant... at least know what you are ranting about
The best post ever...."
Maybe the best post ever to someone who doesn't know how the IMF is structured.
Britain did contribute. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
"
same as has been pointed out the IMF used money to bail out the UK....
would you have an issue with that??
I don't have a problem with the premise of using some money from the foreign aid budget to help here (as a percentage of GDP the UK gives almost more than any other country)
I have a huge problem with the rant and the misinformation and blantantly wrong information you are giving with regards to ireland and greece
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK.....
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart.
That's as clumsy a diversionary tactic as I've ever seen."
Learned from the master  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As Fabio said. The Grrek bailout money was the EU central bank.
You live near a river, you are at increased risk of being flooded.
With the volume of water that has fallen in the past few weeks the flooding of the Somerset levels was inevitable. Dredging or not. There was too much water for the watercourse. Ditto the Thames and many other rivers currently on high alert.
The rail line in Cornwall has stood for decades to the sea with no ill effects. Then we have extreme storm surges and tides and it gets fucked. That's nothing to do with a lack of money being spent on it.
Nice to see the Wail with it's usual jingoism though.
"
The line from Penzance to Paddington has needed funding for a long time it's a constant issue down here. Many coastal paths have fallen into the sea over the past few years also, taking houses with them. It the weather we face these days, heavy rainfull for sustained peroids of time, more so than what we are regulary use to and the goverment have been warned about it and what effect it will have on the coastline and have chosen to do nothing about it. Instead they cut jobs in he environment agency, its under funded, like most goverment departments. You don't give the funding you get an inadequate service. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
same as has been pointed out the IMF used money to bail out the UK....
would you have an issue with that??
I don't have a problem with the premise of using some money from the foreign aid budget to help here (as a percentage of GDP the UK gives almost more than any other country)
I have a huge problem with the rant and the misinformation and blantantly wrong information you are giving with regards to ireland and greece
"
We gave money to Ireland, you said they paid it back with interest, great. I was pointing out that the money can be made available when they want to, the point being the OP said we should not be giving foreign aid when people are suffering here, im saying the goverment could get the money to help flood Victims here if they wanted to and used Ireland or Greece as (now you have enlightened me a bad example) of how money can be made available if they want to.
I may of used two bad examples but my point still stands that foreign aid is not stopping funds coming to the uk flood victims, they could get the money if they wanted, the distribution of uk fund by the goverment in unfair and thy suit themselves. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK.....
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart.
That's as clumsy a diversionary tactic as I've ever seen.
Learned from the master "
Rupert Murdoch? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
The moralising paper which makes more money from it's 'online web page' where it shows it's readers scantily clad celebrity young girls in one breath, then claims these same girls are being exploited?
And they then badger and hound these same girls whenever they go anywhere.
The last sentence being 100% true as it's happened to a family member.
Can't stand it.
* And rest...* |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Ladyluck you talk a lot of sense.
why thank you
not quite all sense....
you do know the money given to ireland to help with their bailout has
a) been given back
b) was given back with interest....."
But the money used to bail the banks out hasn't so they could use that to bail out the water from the homes that have been flooded |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
same as has been pointed out the IMF used money to bail out the UK....
would you have an issue with that??
I don't have a problem with the premise of using some money from the foreign aid budget to help here (as a percentage of GDP the UK gives almost more than any other country)
I have a huge problem with the rant and the misinformation and blantantly wrong information you are giving with regards to ireland and greece
"
Sorry Fabio but you are wrong on this one.
Britain contributed 7 billion to the Irish bailout which I believe has now been repaid.
Britain also contributed over 4 billion to the Portuguese bailout and originally committed a furhter 12.5 billion to the IMF fund for the Eurozone bailouts. On top of that a further 9 billion was paid into the IMF Euro bailout fund in 2011. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK.....
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart.
That's as clumsy a diversionary tactic as I've ever seen.
Learned from the master
Rupert Murdoch?"
No, but you are close. I was thinking about the bloke who's been shagging his Mrs |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Whatever way it happens we will end up paying. If govt provides support we will find a sneaky tax somewhere to get it back, and if insurance companies pay out, guess what will happen to premia?? Reality is where decent flood defences have been put in place, many areas have been ok, where the judgement was taken not to take measures the place has been obliterated. Cash can be made available, QE has shown that, but it comes at a cost. Let's not forget we are still borrowing c.£100bn a year as a country, that is one hell of a credit card! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"There's always 'rainy day' money in the Treasury and if this isn't a rainy day, I don't know what it."
Well it has been a rainy day, not sure it could be classed as a natural disaster though, people are not really stranded, they have chosen not to leave their homes through fear of being robbed of their material possessions. It is sad to see peoples homes wrecked by flood waters but there is no mass loss of life, drinking water and food are still freely available.
Somerset has been flooded for weeks, now the affluent banks of the River Thames have been flooded and the effluent has hit the fan. What do they expect the Army to do, form a chain with buckets?
The majority of people living upon the banks of the River Thames have paid a high premium for their riverside location, did they think they would be immune to the forces of nature? Do they want us to subsidise their expensive choice of property location. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
same as has been pointed out the IMF used money to bail out the UK....
would you have an issue with that??
I don't have a problem with the premise of using some money from the foreign aid budget to help here (as a percentage of GDP the UK gives almost more than any other country)
I have a huge problem with the rant and the misinformation and blantantly wrong information you are giving with regards to ireland and greece
Sorry Fabio but you are wrong on this one.
Britain contributed 7 billion to the Irish bailout which I believe has now been repaid.
Britain also contributed over 4 billion to the Portuguese bailout and originally committed a furhter 12.5 billion to the IMF fund for the Eurozone bailouts. On top of that a further 9 billion was paid into the IMF Euro bailout fund in 2011."
The contribution to Ireland has been significantly higher than the direct funds made available. Many billions of loans made by the Irish subsidiaries of British banks were written off and losses offset against tax which has cost the UK taxpayer an enormous amount. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
The point I was making that you decided to ignore is that money CAN be found when it suits them, if we are so broke why are companies being let off paying what is due and yet spending cuts are hitting the normal folk hard? Because they are looking after there own. They voted to give themselves a payrise yet most people are facing a paycut in real terms, where is the money coming from to pay for mp's payrise?
There is a real problem weith the distribution of UK funds that is the issue and the point im making, its unfair and the excuses the goverment give are bullshit."
actually, they didn't give themselves one at all. they no longer can. the power to oversee their pay had been legislated to an independent body which passed the pay rise. i think the rise is a total slap in the face to those out of work or struggling under the austerity cuts but unfortunately it wasn't done by mps this time. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK.....
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart.
That's as clumsy a diversionary tactic as I've ever seen.
Learned from the master
Rupert Murdoch?
No, but you are close. I was thinking about the bloke who's been shagging his Mrs"
Given the way Murdoch has been fucking the country, it's only fair we all get a shot at his wife. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Ladyluck you talk a lot of sense.
why thank you
not quite all sense....
you do know the money given to ireland to help with their bailout has
a) been given back
b) was given back with interest.....
But the money used to bail the banks out hasn't so they could use that to bail out the water from the homes that have been flooded"
did you know we could actually sell our share of the banks now and make a profit on what it costs to bail them out....
in a way, you could use the profits the banks made and divert that money... again no quibble over that at all!!! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Anyone notice that as soon as the floods hit the Thames valley and thus started to threaten London and the Tory heartland that suddenly the government are out getting things done rather than slagging off the people whose hands they have tied.
Or have I got that wrong... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Ladyluck you talk a lot of sense.
why thank you
not quite all sense....
you do know the money given to ireland to help with their bailout has
a) been given back
b) was given back with interest.....
But the money used to bail the banks out hasn't so they could use that to bail out the water from the homes that have been flooded
did you know we could actually sell our share of the banks now and make a profit on what it costs to bail them out....
in a way, you could use the profits the banks made and divert that money... again no quibble over that at all!!!"
Or we could sell our share of the banks to Cameron's chums at a huge discount - just like Royal Mail. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
"
......... but that is like saying if you put money into a Church of England collection, you "albeit in a round about way" contributed to the problems of payday loan harrasment......... wonga!
the money didn't directly come from the UK, and the UK had no involvement in how it was spent... the IMF is there to help all countries, and the IMF decides where it goes..... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Anyone notice that as soon as the floods hit the Thames valley and thus started to threaten London and the Tory heartland that suddenly the government are out getting things done rather than slagging off the people whose hands they have tied.
Or have I got that wrong..."
No I don't think you've got that wrong, I posted the same sentiment a few posts up from yours. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"haha funny people arguing about money with seemingly no idea where it comes from. 
Taxes and borrowing?"
You mean they haven't got a really big piggy bank hidden somewhere?  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK.....
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart.
That's as clumsy a diversionary tactic as I've ever seen.
Learned from the master
Rupert Murdoch?
No, but you are close. I was thinking about the bloke who's been shagging his Mrs
Given the way Murdoch has been fucking the country, it's only fair we all get a shot at his wife."
All get a shot would be ok. But why did it have to be the Bliar creature doing it on our behalf? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
same as has been pointed out the IMF used money to bail out the UK....
would you have an issue with that??
I don't have a problem with the premise of using some money from the foreign aid budget to help here (as a percentage of GDP the UK gives almost more than any other country)
I have a huge problem with the rant and the misinformation and blantantly wrong information you are giving with regards to ireland and greece
Sorry Fabio but you are wrong on this one.
Britain contributed 7 billion to the Irish bailout which I believe has now been repaid.
Britain also contributed over 4 billion to the Portuguese bailout and originally committed a furhter 12.5 billion to the IMF fund for the Eurozone bailouts. On top of that a further 9 billion was paid into the IMF Euro bailout fund in 2011."
hmmm ok that puts a new spin on thing's
And appears the Ireland crisis did hit us in the pocket
learn something new everyday on here. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Ladyluck you talk a lot of sense.
why thank you
not quite all sense....
you do know the money given to ireland to help with their bailout has
a) been given back
b) was given back with interest.....
But the money used to bail the banks out hasn't so they could use that to bail out the water from the homes that have been flooded
did you know we could actually sell our share of the banks now and make a profit on what it costs to bail them out....
in a way, you could use the profits the banks made and divert that money... again no quibble over that at all!!!
Or we could sell our share of the banks to Cameron's chums at a huge discount - just like Royal Mail."
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Somerset is a tory heartland isn't it? Rural, landowners etc?
Isnt One of the Rees-Moggs one of the MPs there?"
More liberal than conservative close though at 5-4 no labour. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"
Almost, but not quite.
Britain did contribute to the Greek bailout (among others) through its membership of the IMF.
everybody contributes to the IMF.....
Remember many moons ago, the IMF had to bail out the UK.....
Of course, that is why I said you were almost, but not quite right. Britain did contribute, albeit in a round about way.
I could never forget Sunny Jim (crisis what crisis?) Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had blown the economy apart.
That's as clumsy a diversionary tactic as I've ever seen.
Learned from the master
Rupert Murdoch?
No, but you are close. I was thinking about the bloke who's been shagging his Mrs
Given the way Murdoch has been fucking the country, it's only fair we all get a shot at his wife.
All get a shot would be ok. But why did it have to be the Bliar creature doing it on our behalf?"
Jealousy is such an ugly trait and it's reduced you to an even clumsier diversionary tactic. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
same as has been pointed out the IMF used money to bail out the UK....
would you have an issue with that??
I don't have a problem with the premise of using some money from the foreign aid budget to help here (as a percentage of GDP the UK gives almost more than any other country)
I have a huge problem with the rant and the misinformation and blantantly wrong information you are giving with regards to ireland and greece
Sorry Fabio but you are wrong on this one.
Britain contributed 7 billion to the Irish bailout which I believe has now been repaid.
Britain also contributed over 4 billion to the Portuguese bailout and originally committed a furhter 12.5 billion to the IMF fund for the Eurozone bailouts. On top of that a further 9 billion was paid into the IMF Euro bailout fund in 2011."
interesting, im learning lots today... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As mentioned above the Uk contribute s to the IMF which did bail out Greece.
same as has been pointed out the IMF used money to bail out the UK....
would you have an issue with that??
I don't have a problem with the premise of using some money from the foreign aid budget to help here (as a percentage of GDP the UK gives almost more than any other country)
I have a huge problem with the rant and the misinformation and blantantly wrong information you are giving with regards to ireland and greece
Sorry Fabio but you are wrong on this one.
Britain contributed 7 billion to the Irish bailout which I believe has now been repaid.
Britain also contributed over 4 billion to the Portuguese bailout and originally committed a furhter 12.5 billion to the IMF fund for the Eurozone bailouts. On top of that a further 9 billion was paid into the IMF Euro bailout fund in 2011."
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"haha funny people arguing about money with seemingly no idea where it comes from.
Taxes and borrowing?
where does it come from before that ?"
The money tree at the end of the garden of course, everyone knows that  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Lots of peeps bandying around the word IMF and i wonder if they know what the IMF does ?
Lots of peeps talking about money and debt and again i wonder if they know where money actually comes from ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"haha funny people arguing about money with seemingly no idea where it comes from.
Taxes and borrowing?
where does it come from before that ?"
Well I believe it's a concept nowadays, with the amount in circulation based on the perceived amount of goods and services a country produces that other countries or people want to buy.
But the tree idea sounds good. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"haha funny people arguing about money with seemingly no idea where it comes from.
Taxes and borrowing?
where does it come from before that ?
Well I believe it's a concept nowadays, with the amount in circulation based on the perceived amount of goods and services a country produces that other countries or people want to buy.
But the tree idea sounds good. "
haha the money tree thing is pretty damn close as its about as "real" as money itself |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"again you want to use greece as an example...
No UK money has gone into bailing out Greece... that was the eurozone!
Are we part of the Eurozone? Greece going bust would of affected all members of the Europen Union no? Do we not jave money tied up in the Eurozone? So were just freeloaders in the Euro? I don't believe that for a second.
are we part of the Eurozone? no we are not...
The eurozone are those countries who use the Euro as their currency and thus banking policy is determined by the ECB (European Central Bank)
Actually most of the money used to bail out Greece actually came from the IMF and Germany.....
again... no UK money was or has been used to bail out greece...
if you are going to rant... at least know what you are ranting about
The best post ever...."
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD "
We voted them in didn't we? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?"
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?"
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?"
no we didn't actually, hense the coalition. .. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?"
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh? "
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox "
Source: House of Commons Research Papers 01/37, 01/54, 05/33 & 10/36.
They are the numbers whether you like them or not.
Being governed by by a system you oppose is called democracy. I may not like it when a Labour government is elected, but elected they are, and I have to accept it.
You should be directing your fury at the EU commission who are elected by no-one and have far more control over you than any national government, and if people like Barroso get their way democracy will be re-classed as populism and be abolished. Also forums like this will be shut down and dissenters sent to the gulag.
Think I'm joking? Take a look at some of Barroso's recent speeches and the recent comments of his deputy, she said only yesterday "Britain is too stupid to have a referendum"
Be afraid, be very afraid. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
A good rule of thumb is only to call a referendum when you're sure of the result and it's the result you want.
That's why there'll never be a referendum on capital punishment and why the xxx,xxx votes to call a referendum is such a risky strategy - as the Swiss found out at the weekend. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A good rule of thumb is only to call a referendum when you're sure of the result and it's the result you want.
That's why there'll never be a referendum on capital punishment and why the xxx,xxx votes to call a referendum is such a risky strategy - as the Swiss found out at the weekend."
And that is why the EU will either never allow it, or make you have more until you get the "right result" as they did with Greece & Ireland. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
Source: House of Commons Research Papers 01/37, 01/54, 05/33 & 10/36.
They are the numbers whether you like them or not.
Being governed by by a system you oppose is called democracy. I may not like it when a Labour government is elected, but elected they are, and I have to accept it.
You should be directing your fury at the EU commission who are elected by no-one and have far more control over you than any national government, and if people like Barroso get their way democracy will be re-classed as populism and be abolished. Also forums like this will be shut down and dissenters sent to the gulag.
Think I'm joking? Take a look at some of Barroso's recent speeches and the recent comments of his deputy, she said only yesterday "Britain is too stupid to have a referendum"
Be afraid, be very afraid."
they are correct..... HOWEVER.... it is also an example of how statistics can be skewed to prove a point.....
lets take 2010 as an example
yes 65.1% of the eligable population voted.... however only 36.1% on them voted conservative....
so therefore....only 23.5% of the actually egliable population voted conservative....
he is kinda right.......3/4ths of people didn't vote tory.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
Source: House of Commons Research Papers 01/37, 01/54, 05/33 & 10/36.
They are the numbers whether you like them or not.
Being governed by by a system you oppose is called democracy. I may not like it when a Labour government is elected, but elected they are, and I have to accept it.
You should be directing your fury at the EU commission who are elected by no-one and have far more control over you than any national government, and if people like Barroso get their way democracy will be re-classed as populism and be abolished. Also forums like this will be shut down and dissenters sent to the gulag.
Think I'm joking? Take a look at some of Barroso's recent speeches and the recent comments of his deputy, she said only yesterday "Britain is too stupid to have a referendum"
Be afraid, be very afraid.
they are correct..... HOWEVER.... it is also an example of how statistics can be skewed to prove a point.....
lets take 2010 as an example
yes 65.1% of the eligable population voted.... however only 36.1% on them voted conservative....
so therefore....only 23.5% of the actually egliable population voted conservative....
he is kinda right.......3/4ths of people didn't vote tory...."
Using that formula you could make a similar argument for pretty much every general election. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
Source: House of Commons Research Papers 01/37, 01/54, 05/33 & 10/36.
They are the numbers whether you like them or not.
Being governed by by a system you oppose is called democracy. I may not like it when a Labour government is elected, but elected they are, and I have to accept it.
You should be directing your fury at the EU commission who are elected by no-one and have far more control over you than any national government, and if people like Barroso get their way democracy will be re-classed as populism and be abolished. Also forums like this will be shut down and dissenters sent to the gulag.
Think I'm joking? Take a look at some of Barroso's recent speeches and the recent comments of his deputy, she said only yesterday "Britain is too stupid to have a referendum"
Be afraid, be very afraid.
they are correct..... HOWEVER.... it is also an example of how statistics can be skewed to prove a point.....
lets take 2010 as an example
yes 65.1% of the eligable population voted.... however only 36.1% on them voted conservative....
so therefore....only 23.5% of the actually egliable population voted conservative....
he is kinda right.......3/4ths of people didn't vote tory....
Using that formula you could make a similar argument for pretty much every general election."
Seriously you take statistics from the house of commons ???? ive lost count of what when where govt has lied about statistics ! My first rule is never trust a word the govt says !
Im glad you are so accepting of being a slave, i am not. I even have great difficulty clicking buttons that say "submit" on web sites when i want to post summat |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
Source: House of Commons Research Papers 01/37, 01/54, 05/33 & 10/36.
They are the numbers whether you like them or not.
Being governed by by a system you oppose is called democracy. I may not like it when a Labour government is elected, but elected they are, and I have to accept it.
You should be directing your fury at the EU commission who are elected by no-one and have far more control over you than any national government, and if people like Barroso get their way democracy will be re-classed as populism and be abolished. Also forums like this will be shut down and dissenters sent to the gulag.
Think I'm joking? Take a look at some of Barroso's recent speeches and the recent comments of his deputy, she said only yesterday "Britain is too stupid to have a referendum"
Be afraid, be very afraid.
they are correct..... HOWEVER.... it is also an example of how statistics can be skewed to prove a point.....
lets take 2010 as an example
yes 65.1% of the eligable population voted.... however only 36.1% on them voted conservative....
so therefore....only 23.5% of the actually egliable population voted conservative....
he is kinda right.......3/4ths of people didn't vote tory....
Using that formula you could make a similar argument for pretty much every general election."
Of course you can. 'Democracy' is a bullshit word made up by politicians to justify Capitalism.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ?"
No I cast for a Tory government but the constitution gave us a coalition that's the country we live in. As for non voters if people don't vote then they can't say the it's not fair and have a go at the government that's in |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ?
No I cast for a Tory government but the constitution gave us a coalition that's the country we live in. As for non voters if people don't vote then they can't say the it's not fair and have a go at the government that's in "
We may have found the Welsh Tory voter. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ?
No I cast for a Tory government but the constitution gave us a coalition that's the country we live in. As for non voters if people don't vote then they can't say the it's not fair and have a go at the government that's in "
In your opinion that is how democracy is defined ?
BTW I did vote. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ?
No I cast for a Tory government but the constitution gave us a coalition that's the country we live in. As for non voters if people don't vote then they can't say the it's not fair and have a go at the government that's in "
I strongly suspect you only cast a vote for a constituency MP.
Who, i'd wager my remaining testicle, is a Labour MP. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ?
No I cast for a Tory government but the constitution gave us a coalition that's the country we live in. As for non voters if people don't vote then they can't say the it's not fair and have a go at the government that's in
I strongly suspect you only cast a vote for a constituency MP.
Who, i'd wager my remaining testicle, is a Labour MP. "
Correct and well done on keeping your remaining testicle but am I missing something isn't that how the system works ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
" ive lost count of what when where govt has lied about statistics ! My first rule is never trust a word the govt says !
"
this..
they ALL lie, anyone who swallows any stats from a sitting Government be that red, blue or the funny green ish thing we have at the present time should actually do some independent research..
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ?
No I cast for a Tory government but the constitution gave us a coalition that's the country we live in. As for non voters if people don't vote then they can't say the it's not fair and have a go at the government that's in
We may have found the Welsh Tory voter."
Well i'v never been in hiding so not that hard to find really but then I don't let where I was born influence how I vote |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
I did not cast my vote for a coalition government. Did you ?
No I cast for a Tory government but the constitution gave us a coalition that's the country we live in. As for non voters if people don't vote then they can't say the it's not fair and have a go at the government that's in
In your opinion that is how democracy is defined ?
BTW I did vote."
My opinion of democracy is allowing the people to vote .
BTW the non voter remark as not aimed at you but at people who say "not everyone voted so it can't be fair " |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"You start to agree with Daily Mail,then you're voting UKIP.Its a slippery slope."
Lol, is bigotry a two way street?
"Daily Mail readers don't agree with MY beliefs, preferences, prejudices etc so it must be THEM that are the weirdos, racists, homophobes etc.
Just saying.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"You start to agree with Daily Mail,then you're voting UKIP.Its a slippery slope.
Lol, is bigotry a two way street?
"Daily Mail readers don't agree with MY beliefs, preferences, prejudices etc so it must be THEM that are the weirdos, racists, homophobes etc.
Just saying.
"
is being anti racism, homophobia an actual prejudice..?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox "
So what your saying is we have a free vote but if your party loses then it dosnt apply to you ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
is being anti racism, homophobia an actual prejudice..?
"
More often than not, especially on here, see 1b.
prej·u·dice (prej'?-dis)
n.
1.
a. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
b. A preconceived preference or idea.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
is being anti racism, homophobia an actual prejudice..?
More often than not, especially on here, see 1b.
prej·u·dice (prej'?-dis)
n.
1.
a. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
b. A preconceived preference or idea.
"
so a preconceived idea that folks should be treated equally and not suffer discrimination, hatred etc is a prejudice..?
in which case glad to be prejudiced against intolerant bigots..
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Sorry, but I cannot agree with the daily mail, a pathetic excuse for a 'newspaper'. Aid is essential. The tories are only bothered by this flood as it is tory vote land that could sway to ukip. There was scant regard for northern water disasters that affected thousands more. The tories just spin and some lapdogs lap it up. No wonder ukip who have no manifesto policies are able to trawl and pull in the lightweights. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I am gobsmacked i actually agreewith something they headline today.
Due to folk affected by floods which has affected so many here they are asking for some of the £11 billion in foreign aid to be diverted to flood defences this i agree wholly with this is a natural diaster on scale not known before.
Sadly this will be little comfort to those poor folk affected and in need of help.
I hope government actually does this as need to consider uk as well as other nations."
The sentiment is one thing but I would be uncomfortable if it resulted in deaths overseas from starvation. The reality is money needs to be found for disasters above and beyond what already is earmarked for other things. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *at2Couple
over a year ago
north Down |
"again you want to use greece as an example...
No UK money has gone into bailing out Greece... that was the eurozone!
Are we part of the Eurozone? Greece going bust would of affected all members of the Europen Union no? Do we not jave money tied up in the Eurozone? So were just freeloaders in the Euro? I don't believe that for a second.
are we part of the Eurozone? no we are not...
The eurozone are those countries who use the Euro as their currency and thus banking policy is determined by the ECB (European Central Bank)
Actually most of the money used to bail out Greece actually came from the IMF and Germany.....
again... no UK money was or has been used to bail out greece...
if you are going to rant... at least know what you are ranting about"
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
So what your saying is we have a free vote but if your party loses then it dosnt apply to you ? "
Now did i say that or did you try and put words into my mouth ?
first your vote is meaningless.There isnt a real choice its a 2 party choice who i believe work for the banks and not you or I.
Second i dont agree with the system as it is. I was born into it but as a free human human being i believe i have the right no to be coerced, bullied or forced to participate in it.
As i am forced into it then it is clear no one is born free and there fore is a slave.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
There is plenty of money in the UK. But too many scrounging vultures in power won't have an equal distribution of wealth. People on Benefits are portrayed as scum of the earth but blood sucking Banksters and expense fiddling politicians are very quickly swept under the carpet by spin doctors and media propaganda.
Free world my ass. Most of the world lost its freedom with the US Patriot Act after 9/11. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Well the PM said money is no object and he will do whatever it takes. But when asked in PMQs today whether that meant halting environment agency redundancies and spending what would be needed to provide sustainable defences he refused to answer the question. Yet more waffle from Mr Cameron! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Well the PM said money is no object and he will do whatever it takes. But when asked in PMQs today whether that meant halting environment agency redundancies and spending what would be needed to provide sustainable defences he refused to answer the question. Yet more waffle from Mr Cameron!"
That's the trouble with sound bite politics. This 'money no object' will haunt him. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
You can bitch and moan all you like, nothing is ever going to change.
Because any change will adversely affect the ability of people to buy stuff for them and their families. And people aren't going to jeapoardise that by rocking the boat.
Governments rely on this. They count on people being to scared to react.
It's only people with nothing to lose that start revolutions. And even then it either ends up being an extremeist revolution, right or left wing. You never hear of a liberal revolution.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Well the PM said money is no object and he will do whatever it takes. But when asked in PMQs today whether that meant halting environment agency redundancies and spending what would be needed to provide sustainable defences he refused to answer the question. Yet more waffle from Mr Cameron!"
waffle ? No,no,no. They had a "cobra" meeting. yes, "COBRA" |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Well the PM said money is no object and he will do whatever it takes. But when asked in PMQs today whether that meant halting environment agency redundancies and spending what would be needed to provide sustainable defences he refused to answer the question. Yet more waffle from Mr Cameron!
waffle ? No,no,no. They had a "cobra" meeting. yes, "COBRA" "
I had to smile at the fact that the only guy in military uniform round the Cabinet table had a sign in front of him which read MOD.
You'd think they could have worked that out. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Well the PM said money is no object and he will do whatever it takes. But when asked in PMQs today whether that meant halting environment agency redundancies and spending what would be needed to provide sustainable defences he refused to answer the question. Yet more waffle from Mr Cameron!
waffle ? No,no,no. They had a "cobra" meeting. yes, "COBRA"
I had to smile at the fact that the only guy in military uniform round the Cabinet table had a sign in front of him which read MOD.
You'd think they could have worked that out."
wonder if he had had the same plaque in front of him if he brought a vespa and a parka lol |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
So what your saying is we have a free vote but if your party loses then it dosnt apply to you ?
Now did i say that or did you try and put words into my mouth ?
first your vote is meaningless.There isnt a real choice its a 2 party choice who i believe work for the banks and not you or I.
Second i dont agree with the system as it is. I was born into it but as a free human human being i believe i have the right no to be coerced, bullied or forced to participate in it.
As i am forced into it then it is clear no one is born free and there fore is a slave.
"
"If we don't agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us" your words. Sounds to me that if the party you wanted got in then that would be ok.
We'r not a to party system are we ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
So what your saying is we have a free vote but if your party loses then it dosnt apply to you ?
Now did i say that or did you try and put words into my mouth ?
first your vote is meaningless.There isnt a real choice its a 2 party choice who i believe work for the banks and not you or I.
Second i dont agree with the system as it is. I was born into it but as a free human human being i believe i have the right no to be coerced, bullied or forced to participate in it.
As i am forced into it then it is clear no one is born free and there fore is a slave.
"If we don't agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us" your words. Sounds to me that if the party you wanted got in then that would be ok.
We'r not a to party system are we ? "
Are you deliberatly hearing what you want to troll. I said i dont agree with the system. And yes it is a choice of two. A choice of two that you cant stick a rizzla between. On top of that they dont in my view work for the people, either party, they work for banks. So just so you get this straight and i dont endlessly have to repeat myself i do not support any political party, i do not support or agree with the system. i have never voted, i never will vote for and condone something i am completely opposed to. if you dont understand what i said dont reply |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
So what your saying is we have a free vote but if your party loses then it dosnt apply to you ?
Now did i say that or did you try and put words into my mouth ?
first your vote is meaningless.There isnt a real choice its a 2 party choice who i believe work for the banks and not you or I.
Second i dont agree with the system as it is. I was born into it but as a free human human being i believe i have the right no to be coerced, bullied or forced to participate in it.
As i am forced into it then it is clear no one is born free and there fore is a slave.
"If we don't agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us" your words. Sounds to me that if the party you wanted got in then that would be ok.
We'r not a to party system are we ?
Are you deliberatly hearing what you want to troll. I said i dont agree with the system. And yes it is a choice of two. A choice of two that you cant stick a rizzla between. On top of that they dont in my view work for the people, either party, they work for banks. So just so you get this straight and i dont endlessly have to repeat myself i do not support any political party, i do not support or agree with the system. i have never voted, i never will vote for and condone something i am completely opposed to. if you dont understand what i said dont reply "
How are my trolling because I don't agree with you. At least 3 party's
Tory
Lib/dem
Labour
That's without the minor party's
Some of your points I agree with but you show your self to be a person who only see's one point of view so as far as concerned I shan't bother with anything you say bye
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I am gobsmacked i actually agreewith something they headline today.
Due to folk affected by floods which has affected so many here they are asking for some of the £11 billion in foreign aid to be diverted to flood defences this i agree wholly with this is a natural diaster on scale not known before.
Sadly this will be little comfort to those poor folk affected and in need of help.
I hope government actually does this as need to consider uk as well as other nations."
There is enough money in the pot to do both. Whether they choose to, is another matter. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If the government had not sold Royal Mail at a knock down price and starts taxing corporations that make a mockery of the taxation system or stopped playing lap dog to the yanks and stopped interfering in other countries then maybe there would be money available for such sad events.
Food banks are on the rise? In a so called 'developed' country like the UK?? What a fucking joke. Rich are getting richer and poor are getting shafted.
All politicians are full of shit. They don't give a toss about Joe Average. All they care about is power and control. And they call it a democracy.... by being bum chums with an opposition in a so called coalition government just to gain power. Pathetic and bullshit at its best.
With regards to media.. If anyone thinks media in this country is not controlled to spoon feed the masses then they seriously need help.
Welcome to Great Britain LTD
We voted them in didn't we?
Sorry when you say "we voted them in" who do you mean by "we ? As the biggest voter turnout in my life time of 50 years was only 55%. So barely half of people voted them in which means half didnt. So who represents the 50% of people who oppose the system ? And if we dont agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us ?
2010....65.1%
2005....61.4%
2001....59.4% (the lowest post war)
1997....71.4%
1992....77.7%
1987....75.3%
1983....72.7%
1979....76.0%
1974(Oct)72.8%
1974(Feb)78.8%
1970.....72.0%
1966.....75.8%
1964.....77.1%
1959.....78.7%
1955.....76.8%
1951.....82.6%
1950.....83.9%
1945.....72.8%
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant Eh?
No idea where you got those ridiculous stats from but they are bollox. stats often are but frankly these are a piss take and without merit.
Even so my point is still valid, that to be controlled, governed and dictated to by a system you fundamentally oppose is anti freedom. And if we arent free then we are slaves. so much for that free world bollox
So what your saying is we have a free vote but if your party loses then it dosnt apply to you ?
Now did i say that or did you try and put words into my mouth ?
first your vote is meaningless.There isnt a real choice its a 2 party choice who i believe work for the banks and not you or I.
Second i dont agree with the system as it is. I was born into it but as a free human human being i believe i have the right no to be coerced, bullied or forced to participate in it.
As i am forced into it then it is clear no one is born free and there fore is a slave.
"If we don't agree with it, support it or condone it on what authority can it govern us" your words. Sounds to me that if the party you wanted got in then that would be ok.
We'r not a to party system are we ?
Are you deliberatly hearing what you want to troll. I said i dont agree with the system. And yes it is a choice of two. A choice of two that you cant stick a rizzla between. On top of that they dont in my view work for the people, either party, they work for banks. So just so you get this straight and i dont endlessly have to repeat myself i do not support any political party, i do not support or agree with the system. i have never voted, i never will vote for and condone something i am completely opposed to. if you dont understand what i said dont reply
How are my trolling because I don't agree with you. At least 3 party's
Tory
Lib/dem
Labour
That's without the minor party's
Some of your points I agree with but you show your self to be a person who only see's one point of view so as far as concerned I shan't bother with anything you say bye
"
lmao and in your lifetime which of those partys has been elected ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
