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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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Amazing to see the pictures of the pictures of Indian soldiers, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus, all being treated in Brighton. Nice details about each faith being honoured through the kitchen arrangements and the funeral arrangements too.
The period before the War saw lots of civil unrest and strikes and it would have been good to see just a little of that detail at the beginning.
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"Anyone watching this?
I realise that it is being told from an historical context of what was happening in Britain but it misses the chance to tell the wider world story.
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Think that's called "staying true to the title", Lickerty  |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Amazing to see the pictures of the pictures of Indian soldiers, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus, all being treated in Brighton. Nice details about each faith being honoured through the kitchen arrangements and the funeral arrangements too.
The period before the War saw lots of civil unrest and strikes and it would have been good to see just a little of that detail at the beginning.
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Siege of Sidney Street and Tonypany plus the mutiny in Ireland?  |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Anyone watching this?
I realise that it is being told from an historical context of what was happening in Britain but it misses the chance to tell the wider world story.
Think that's called "staying true to the title", Lickerty "
They can change a title right up to the last minute.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Amazing to see the pictures of the pictures of Indian soldiers, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus, all being treated in Brighton. Nice details about each faith being honoured through the kitchen arrangements and the funeral arrangements too.
The period before the War saw lots of civil unrest and strikes and it would have been good to see just a little of that detail at the beginning.
Siege of Sidney Street and Tonypany plus the mutiny in Ireland? "
I'm thinking of the 'Great Unrest' of 1911 to 1914. There were over 800 strikes in 1911, the national miners strike in 1912, the peak of the strikes at over 1,400 in 1913 and everything ready to come to a head in 1914 but diverted by the imminent war.
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Amazing to see the pictures of the pictures of Indian soldiers, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus, all being treated in Brighton. Nice details about each faith being honoured through the kitchen arrangements and the funeral arrangements too.
The period before the War saw lots of civil unrest and strikes and it would have been good to see just a little of that detail at the beginning.
Siege of Sidney Street and Tonypany plus the mutiny in Ireland?
I'm thinking of the 'Great Unrest' of 1911 to 1914. There were over 800 strikes in 1911, the national miners strike in 1912, the peak of the strikes at over 1,400 in 1913 and everything ready to come to a head in 1914 but diverted by the imminent war.
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There is a very good book about the revolutionary atmosphere in Britain and the world in 1919, showing that the war was more a breathing space. |
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"Anyone watching this?
I realise that it is being told from an historical context of what was happening in Britain but it misses the chance to tell the wider world story.
Think that's called "staying true to the title", Lickerty
They can change a title right up to the last minute.
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I know, but......forget it  |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Amazing to see the pictures of the pictures of Indian soldiers, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus, all being treated in Brighton. Nice details about each faith being honoured through the kitchen arrangements and the funeral arrangements too.
The period before the War saw lots of civil unrest and strikes and it would have been good to see just a little of that detail at the beginning.
Siege of Sidney Street and Tonypany plus the mutiny in Ireland?
I'm thinking of the 'Great Unrest' of 1911 to 1914. There were over 800 strikes in 1911, the national miners strike in 1912, the peak of the strikes at over 1,400 in 1913 and everything ready to come to a head in 1914 but diverted by the imminent war.
There is a very good book about the revolutionary atmosphere in Britain and the world in 1919, showing that the war was more a breathing space. "
Well look at how working men were treated after the war. I saw a table once showing more wor days lost to strikes in the decade 1911-21 than those lost in the 70s and 80s decade of strikes. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Anyone watching this?
I realise that it is being told from an historical context of what was happening in Britain but it misses the chance to tell the wider world story.
Think that's called "staying true to the title", Lickerty
They can change a title right up to the last minute.
I know, but......forget it "
I know too - I'm a funny mood.
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If World War One was a bar Fight
Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of a pub when Serbia bumps into Austria and spills Austria's pint. Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit because there are splashes on its trouser leg. Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view. Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit. Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for the cleaning of Austria's trousers. Russia and Serbia look at Austria. Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at. Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone. Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so. Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene. Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it? Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action. Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium. Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone. Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium. France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria. Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings because Britain made Australia do it. France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change. Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting. America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself. By now all the chairs are broken and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.
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" If World War One was a bar Fight
Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of a pub when Serbia bumps into Austria and spills Austria's pint. Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit because there are splashes on its trouser leg. Germany expresses its support for Austria's point of view. Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit. Serbia points out that it can't afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for the cleaning of Austria's trousers. Russia and Serbia look at Austria. Austria asks Serbia who it's looking at. Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone. Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so. Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene. Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it? Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action. Britain and France ask Germany whether it's looking at Belgium. Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone. Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium. France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it's on Britain's side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria. Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings because Britain made Australia do it. France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change. Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting. America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself. By now all the chairs are broken and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany's fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.
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on the credit card.
Sure there is still huge debt to pay |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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" While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.
on the credit card.
Sure there is still huge debt to pay"
There shouldn't be. WWII debts were paid off a while back, 2005 or 6. The WWI debts were suspended in 1934. Technically it may still exist I suppose. Germany paid its WWI reparations off about five years ago.
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" While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.
on the credit card.
Sure there is still huge debt to pay
There shouldn't be. WWII debts were paid off a while back, 2005 or 6. The WWI debts were suspended in 1934. Technically it may still exist I suppose. Germany paid its WWI reparations off about five years ago.
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Could be used s blackmail I don't know quite strange though |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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" While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.
on the credit card.
Sure there is still huge debt to pay
There shouldn't be. WWII debts were paid off a while back, 2005 or 6. The WWI debts were suspended in 1934. Technically it may still exist I suppose. Germany paid its WWI reparations off about five years ago.
Could be used s blackmail I don't know quite strange though"
It probably is used in that way: the US haven't asked for the cash but they have asked for just about everything else.
Britain was also owed money from WWI and the payments to the country for that stopped at the same time as the loan payments to America were suspended.
I'm not sure the borrowing for the Napoleonic war has ever been paid off either.
It's why I get annoyed when people say we have historically high debts that need paying off. We've always had them and happily had boom years while paying down enormous war debts. The 'never had it so good' days were built using that loan money.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Is this the wider world story??
how wars are financed? And who wins?
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That is one of the wider stories.
WWI is responsible for the problems we have with the Middle East now. We have been paying for how Britain carved up the Middle East as a result of WWI ever since.
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Is this the wider world story??
how wars are financed? And who wins?
That is one of the wider stories.
WWI is responsible for the problems we have with the Middle East now. We have been paying for how Britain carved up the Middle East as a result of WWI ever since.
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There is a great book called 'A line in the Sand' that deals with the results of the Syke Picot Pact. There have been a few programmes on the wireless about it, too |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"A very good series thus far..
have always struggled with the phrase 'the great war'..
dont have an alternative though.. "
It was a big war, especially for the time.
It also marked a big change in society, especially for women taking on roles they never could have had before. I am sure it played a significant part in women (30 or over) getting the vote in 1918. |
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"Is this the wider world story??
how wars are financed? And who wins?
That is one of the wider stories.
WWI is responsible for the problems we have with the Middle East now. We have been paying for how Britain carved up the Middle East as a result of WWI ever since.
There is a great book called 'A line in the Sand' that deals with the results of the Syke Picot Pact. There have been a few programmes on the wireless about it, too "
The wireless. Priceless.
Tina, I do love some of your phraseology.
Read 'Line in the Sand' as part of a modern history module. Found it a bit dry to be honest, but useful. |
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"A very good series thus far..
have always struggled with the phrase 'the great war'..
dont have an alternative though.. "
Great meaning big that's all. But you're right |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
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The wireless. Priceless.
Tina, I do love some of your phraseology.
Read 'Line in the Sand' as part of a modern history module. Found it a bit dry to be honest, but useful. "
Thanks but dryness is to be expected as it was a line in the sand and deserts are dry... |
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"A very good series thus far..
have always struggled with the phrase 'the great war'..
dont have an alternative though..
It was a big war, especially for the time.
It also marked a big change in society, especially for women taking on roles they never could have had before. I am sure it played a significant part in women (30 or over) getting the vote in 1918."
a massive change in society given the times, the start of the realisation that women could play an equal part etc..
without such changes who knows how it may have turned out..?
thought the 'granting' of the vote was part of a deal by Lloyd George with the suffragettes after they tried to kill him..?
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I haven't seen this programme but enjoy history and seeing some of the comments on here is fantastic.
So much was going on in the UK at the time (a lot of which has been mentioned on this thread already) and I don't think a lot of people realise how much that period of time shaped UK as it is now.
It is an incredible part of our history. A lot of our current social structure is owed to that period of time. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I haven't seen this programme but enjoy history and seeing some of the comments on here is fantastic.
So much was going on in the UK at the time (a lot of which has been mentioned on this thread already) and I don't think a lot of people realise how much that period of time shaped UK as it is now.
It is an incredible part of our history. A lot of our current social structure is owed to that period of time."
Shell shock and talking therapies also mentioned in this episode.
Rather haunting ending on the serried ranks of headstones with the thought that the country wondered if it was worth it. The profiteer angle last week also questioned whether the war needed to go on as long as it did.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"A very good series thus far..
have always struggled with the phrase 'the great war'..
dont have an alternative though..
It was a big war, especially for the time.
It also marked a big change in society, especially for women taking on roles they never could have had before. I am sure it played a significant part in women (30 or over) getting the vote in 1918.
a massive change in society given the times, the start of the realisation that women could play an equal part etc..
without such changes who knows how it may have turned out..?
thought the 'granting' of the vote was part of a deal by Lloyd George with the suffragettes after they tried to kill him..?
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They kept up pressure during the war and used the arguments and examples of women taking on roles normally only available to men.
Lloyd George had his house blown up before the war to "wake him up" to suffrage. I thought the more active trying to kill him was Alice Wheeldon before the end of the war and was wider than women's suffrage - although a funny thing for a pacifist to do. Did I miss another attempt? I must be getting old.
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"I haven't seen this programme but enjoy history and seeing some of the comments on here is fantastic.
So much was going on in the UK at the time (a lot of which has been mentioned on this thread already) and I don't think a lot of people realise how much that period of time shaped UK as it is now.
It is an incredible part of our history. A lot of our current social structure is owed to that period of time.
Shell shock and talking therapies also mentioned in this episode.
Rather haunting ending on the serried ranks of headstones with the thought that the country wondered if it was worth it. The profiteer angle last week also questioned whether the war needed to go on as long as it did.
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What channel (must be available on some catchup type of TV)
Ken Folletts' trilogy which starts with Fall of Giants is a very good read and the trilogy starts with WWI and the social aspects surrounding it. The second novel moves to WWII and the third hasn't been released yet but Fall of Giants is a good read.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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"The first series of When The Boat Comes In deals with the aftermath of the war. It's fictional, but the background is well researched "
I don't remember the series that clearly.
The period after saw so much upheaval as well. Back to strikes. Women being kept in work and men returning and not being able to return to work in some cases as the women were cheaper. The flu pandemic. The carving up of the Middle East and the German disaffection on reparations.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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"I haven't seen this programme but enjoy history and seeing some of the comments on here is fantastic.
So much was going on in the UK at the time (a lot of which has been mentioned on this thread already) and I don't think a lot of people realise how much that period of time shaped UK as it is now.
It is an incredible part of our history. A lot of our current social structure is owed to that period of time.
Shell shock and talking therapies also mentioned in this episode.
Rather haunting ending on the serried ranks of headstones with the thought that the country wondered if it was worth it. The profiteer angle last week also questioned whether the war needed to go on as long as it did.
What channel (must be available on some catchup type of TV)
Ken Folletts' trilogy which starts with Fall of Giants is a very good read and the trilogy starts with WWI and the social aspects surrounding it. The second novel moves to WWII and the third hasn't been released yet but Fall of Giants is a good read.
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It's BBC1 - Paxman. It will be repeated during the year, I am sure.
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"I haven't seen this programme but enjoy history and seeing some of the comments on here is fantastic.
So much was going on in the UK at the time (a lot of which has been mentioned on this thread already) and I don't think a lot of people realise how much that period of time shaped UK as it is now.
It is an incredible part of our history. A lot of our current social structure is owed to that period of time."
I'm watching the series but couldn't have summed it up any better than you just have |
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"I haven't seen this programme but enjoy history and seeing some of the comments on here is fantastic.
So much was going on in the UK at the time (a lot of which has been mentioned on this thread already) and I don't think a lot of people realise how much that period of time shaped UK as it is now.
It is an incredible part of our history. A lot of our current social structure is owed to that period of time.
Shell shock and talking therapies also mentioned in this episode.
Rather haunting ending on the serried ranks of headstones with the thought that the country wondered if it was worth it. The profiteer angle last week also questioned whether the war needed to go on as long as it did.
What channel (must be available on some catchup type of TV)
Ken Folletts' trilogy which starts with Fall of Giants is a very good read and the trilogy starts with WWI and the social aspects surrounding it. The second novel moves to WWII and the third hasn't been released yet but Fall of Giants is a good read.
It's BBC1 - Paxman. It will be repeated during the year, I am sure.
Am sure it will be on iplayer. Have a look at the Ken Follett books though. Goes into everything, strikes, desertion  , politics. A very good read
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"A very good series thus far..
have always struggled with the phrase 'the great war'..
dont have an alternative though..
It was a big war, especially for the time.
It also marked a big change in society, especially for women taking on roles they never could have had before. I am sure it played a significant part in women (30 or over) getting the vote in 1918.
a massive change in society given the times, the start of the realisation that women could play an equal part etc..
without such changes who knows how it may have turned out..?
thought the 'granting' of the vote was part of a deal by Lloyd George with the suffragettes after they tried to kill him..?
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They kept up pressure during the war and used the arguments and examples of women taking on roles normally only available to men.
Lloyd George had his house blown up before the war to "wake him up" to suffrage. I thought the more active trying to kill him was Alice Wheeldon before the end of the war and was wider than women's suffrage - although a funny thing for a pacifist to do. Did I miss another attempt? I must be getting old.
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think the bombing was the attempt on his life, think they covered it previously in the series..
he had a meeting with one of the 'bombers' and negotiated the deal where the vote would come albeit later than the women wanted and their part was to get on board with the war effort etc.. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
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The period after saw so much upheaval as well. Back to strikes. Women being kept in work and men returning and not being able to return to work in some cases as the women were cheaper. The flu pandemic. The carving up of the Middle East and the German disaffection on reparations.
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Plus you'd got a lot of unrest in Egypt, General Dyer causing a massacre at Amritsar, our troops intervening in the Russian Civil War, a huge Red Scare in America and Britain, |
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"I haven't seen this programme but enjoy history and seeing some of the comments on here is fantastic.
So much was going on in the UK at the time (a lot of which has been mentioned on this thread already) and I don't think a lot of people realise how much that period of time shaped UK as it is now.
It is an incredible part of our history. A lot of our current social structure is owed to that period of time.
I'm watching the series but couldn't have summed it up any better than you just have "
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Purely from a discursive point of view, I do luxuriate in this kind of documentary making. So nice not to constantly be having recaps on what's just been said and being told ad infinitum what's coming up.
This only seems to happen with BBC docs. Or those that make them for the beeb. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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"Purely from a discursive point of view, I do luxuriate in this kind of documentary making. So nice not to constantly be having recaps on what's just been said and being told ad infinitum what's coming up.
This only seems to happen with BBC docs. Or those that make them for the beeb. "
I know what you mean. It is infuriating having a third of the programme telling us what we will learn, recapping what we have just had presented and then telling us what we will learn next week.
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"Purely from a discursive point of view, I do luxuriate in this kind of documentary making. So nice not to constantly be having recaps on what's just been said and being told ad infinitum what's coming up.
This only seems to happen with BBC docs. Or those that make them for the beeb. "
the beeb do have some strong programme makers..
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
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"Purely from a discursive point of view, I do luxuriate in this kind of documentary making. So nice not to constantly be having recaps on what's just been said and being told ad infinitum what's coming up.
This only seems to happen with BBC docs. Or those that make them for the beeb.
I know what you mean. It is infuriating having a third of the programme telling us what we will learn, recapping what we have just had presented and then telling us what we will learn next week.
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Ditto. I suppose if I lose the plot at an advanced age I might appreciate it, but I don't need it at the moment. It's as if some channels assume the viewer has amnesia. 'Here is what occurred 5 minutes ago. This is what we shall show you in the next 5 minutes.'  |
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"Purely from a discursive point of view, I do luxuriate in this kind of documentary making. So nice not to constantly be having recaps on what's just been said and being told ad infinitum what's coming up.
This only seems to happen with BBC docs. Or those that make them for the beeb.
I know what you mean. It is infuriating having a third of the programme telling us what we will learn, recapping what we have just had presented and then telling us what we will learn next week.
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Thanks, I thought it was just me! Maybe I'm not weird after all! |
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"Purely from a discursive point of view, I do luxuriate in this kind of documentary making. So nice not to constantly be having recaps on what's just been said and being told ad infinitum what's coming up.
This only seems to happen with BBC docs. Or those that make them for the beeb.
I know what you mean. It is infuriating having a third of the programme telling us what we will learn, recapping what we have just had presented and then telling us what we will learn next week.
Thanks, I thought it was just me! Maybe I'm not weird after all! "
Not weird at all. It infuriates me when (obviously not the BBC) just before and ad you are told what is coming up and just after an ad you are told what has happened!
I think the Beeb make some outstanding programmes but even they have occasionally dumbed down |
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"Purely from a discursive point of view, I do luxuriate in this kind of documentary making. So nice not to constantly be having recaps on what's just been said and being told ad infinitum what's coming up.
This only seems to happen with BBC docs. Or those that make them for the beeb.
I know what you mean. It is infuriating having a third of the programme telling us what we will learn, recapping what we have just had presented and then telling us what we will learn next week.
Thanks, I thought it was just me! Maybe I'm not weird after all!
Not weird at all. It infuriates me when (obviously not the BBC) just before and ad you are told what is coming up and just after an ad you are told what has happened!
I think the Beeb make some outstanding programmes but even they have occasionally dumbed down"
True. There's a daytime show made by under licence for the beeb called Homes Under the Hammer, the premise of which is actually quite interesting, but I find it unwatchable as the content is no more than about twelve minutes, but stretched over an hour! This is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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"That was a good series and should be put on the national curriculum.
I've re-watched it again in the last few days. It's excellent. "
I might have to buy it and make the children watch it as and when they get interested in this era.
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"That was a good series and should be put on the national curriculum.
I've re-watched it again in the last few days. It's excellent.
I might have to buy it and make the children watch it as and when they get interested in this era.
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