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"I just done this on baggy thread but as I said .. no snacking .. ready meals .. sandwiches... microwaves ..food can be going down in minutes too many restaurants and burger bars idleness plays a major part as people put on weight that leads to depression ...viscous circle online shopping means nobody has to even walk around the shops now if I can only follow my own advice lol" D'oh I've been using the term processed foods for refined foods (white bread, sugar, rice etc) and ready meals. I'm human  . | |||
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"I love my food. I love my chicken and fish! ..i can't give any proper healthy advice. Because i wouldn't know what i'm on about. I'm quite a picky eater. So, i don't eat everything and everything - never have. Even when i was younger. But my advice would be it all depends on portion size. Don't eat too much too soon, or too little too late. Eat the right amount and eat regular meals. That shall keep you energised and fuelled throughout the day." Spot on. We fit meals to our, often working lives, rather than because we need to fuel our body regularly. Large portions send our blood sugars peaking and troughing. Smaller and more frequent portions could settle this. | |||
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"we are also eating later in the evening then that sits in the digestion system all night ... thus putting on weight" Different foods take different times to break down in the digestive system. My suggestion would be to not eat simplex carbs before bed but complex. Much healthier to eat a wholemeal sandwich with a high protein content than biscuits/cake/jam on toast. | |||
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"and we never had BUY ONE GET ONE FREE wen I was young like the cream cakes on special that was far too many but was free and wouldn't keep!!!! not that it had a chance to lol and there should be the choice of smaller portions as a lot of people live alone and don't want the huge pies for instance" A great deal of ready meals contain sugar. There are simple meals to consider such as a jacket potato with a variety of fillings. Eat the skin and as a treat try the lower GI number of a sweet potato. | |||
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"being type 2 diabetic I have to eat before taking pills even though im not hungry and was told not to eat after 7pm" As a main meal? Do you ever suffer hypoglycaemic attacks? | |||
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"being type 2 diabetic I have to eat before taking pills even though im not hungry and was told not to eat after 7pm As a main meal? Do you ever suffer hypoglycaemic attacks?" no hyperglycaemic more like | |||
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"being type 2 diabetic I have to eat before taking pills even though im not hungry and was told not to eat after 7pm As a main meal? Do you ever suffer hypoglycaemic attacks? no hyperglycaemic more like " Then you have to follow specific advice given. | |||
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"being type 2 diabetic I have to eat before taking pills even though im not hungry and was told not to eat after 7pm As a main meal? Do you ever suffer hypoglycaemic attacks? no hyperglycaemic more like Then you have to follow specific advice given." there in lies my problem | |||
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"being type 2 diabetic I have to eat before taking pills even though im not hungry and was told not to eat after 7pm As a main meal? Do you ever suffer hypoglycaemic attacks? no hyperglycaemic more like Then you have to follow specific advice given. there in lies my problem " If you haven't been advised already, then look into the glycaemic index of foods. It may help you to make subtle changes. | |||
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"and we never had BUY ONE GET ONE FREE wen I was young like the cream cakes on special that was far too many but was free and wouldn't keep!!!! not that it had a chance to lol and there should be the choice of smaller portions as a lot of people live alone and don't want the huge pies for instance A great deal of ready meals contain sugar. There are simple meals to consider such as a jacket potato with a variety of fillings. Eat the skin and as a treat try the lower GI number of a sweet potato." I would suggest that sweet potatoes should be eaten in preference to regular potatoes, not just as a treat, because sweet potatoes are lower GI (and therefore cause a less severe blood sugar spike and insulin reaction). | |||
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"It could be that so many overweight people embrace the fact that they are what they are . Every time a thread comes up about size , the level of sycophantic comments such as ' oh you look gorgeous as you are ' , merely adds to the acceptance of being overweight is a good thing . So no matter how many good suggestions are made regarding a healthy lifestyle , the praise from others will win, and the comfort of a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar as the next meet with a BBW lover will make everything alright "If you think all the fat women believe the comments made about them being gorgeous, you're way off the mark. Besides, regardless of what anyone else says, it's how I feel about myself that matters. | |||
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"It could be that so many overweight people embrace the fact that they are what they are . Every time a thread comes up about size , the level of sycophantic comments such as ' oh you look gorgeous as you are ' , merely adds to the acceptance of being overweight is a good thing . So no matter how many good suggestions are made regarding a healthy lifestyle , the praise from others will win, and the comfort of a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar as the next meet with a BBW lover will make everything alright
If you think all the fat women believe the comments made about them being gorgeous, you're way off the mark.
Besides, regardless of what anyone else says, it's how I feel about myself that matters."Absolutely agree that it's how you feel about yourself . But what is the trigger that makes people forget about the obvious , and eat more than they know is healthy ? One minute the logic of a healthy eating and lifestyle is all that's on ones mind , then ...... gone ! The folk who give the compliments are not doing any favours at all and this was the point of my post . | |||
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"I exercise a lot but never watch what i eat, i just eat what i like when i'm hungry. It has always worked for me, can be hard to get motivated to exercise at times but i force myself to do it. I try to cut down on sugar intake, have cut out the soft sugary drinks like cola, and now drink mineral water instead. Everyones body is different so what works for one, may not work for another? Dieting may work better for some people over exercise, key is to find what suits you best. A better attitude to healthy living can only improve everyone's quality of life in my opinion." There are soooo many fad diets out there but the main change should be one that is maintainable, you know altering bad eating habits, which doesn't mean you deny yourself a treat now and then. A change from carbonated drinks to water is brilliant, diet carbonated drinks is also an improvement. If you are sensitive to simplex carbs (sugars) then watch your fruit juice intake. You are better off changing to water and eating fruit. Apples have a low GI number. | |||
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"and we never had BUY ONE GET ONE FREE wen I was young like the cream cakes on special that was far too many but was free and wouldn't keep!!!! not that it had a chance to lol and there should be the choice of smaller portions as a lot of people live alone and don't want the huge pies for instance A great deal of ready meals contain sugar. There are simple meals to consider such as a jacket potato with a variety of fillings. Eat the skin and as a treat try the lower GI number of a sweet potato. I would suggest that sweet potatoes should be eaten in preference to regular potatoes, not just as a treat, because sweet potatoes are lower GI (and therefore cause a less severe blood sugar spike and insulin reaction)."  It's a treat when you have to budget | |||
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"and we never had BUY ONE GET ONE FREE wen I was young like the cream cakes on special that was far too many but was free and wouldn't keep!!!! not that it had a chance to lol and there should be the choice of smaller portions as a lot of people live alone and don't want the huge pies for instance A great deal of ready meals contain sugar. There are simple meals to consider such as a jacket potato with a variety of fillings. Eat the skin and as a treat try the lower GI number of a sweet potato. I would suggest that sweet potatoes should be eaten in preference to regular potatoes, not just as a treat, because sweet potatoes are lower GI (and therefore cause a less severe blood sugar spike and insulin reaction). It's a treat when you have to budget "If low GI is what you're aiming for, relying on potatoes for meals won't help. There are lots of lower GI options that won't break the bank. | |||
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" - eat regularly - eat breakfast - plan meals in advance - cook batches of healthy stuff and freeze it if just cooking for yourself - find other ways to cope with sadness or boredom than food - find other ways to treat yourself or celebrate than food - watch your carbs (especially sugar and refined flour) - drink plenty of water - ensure your vitamin and mineral needs are met - exercise regularly, even if it's just taking a walk every day - include resistance training in any exercise programme. This builds muscle. More muscle = higher metabolism and more calories burned - cut down on alcohol. It's highly calorific for no nutritional benefit at all. - get plenty of sleep - take time to relax. Learn how if necessary. Stress hormones are linked to weight management difficulties. " Spot on. Drink plenty. New training recommends we advise on 2.5 litres of fluid as opposed to two. Many people misinterpret the body's need for fluid as a need to eat, drink before you eat then listen to your body. Do have a walk (exercise), it will help to reduce those stress hormones and therefore help you relax, increase the oxygen in your body and exercise your heart. | |||
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"It could be that so many overweight people embrace the fact that they are what they are . Every time a thread comes up about size , the level of sycophantic comments such as ' oh you look gorgeous as you are ' , merely adds to the acceptance of being overweight is a good thing . So no matter how many good suggestions are made regarding a healthy lifestyle , the praise from others will win, and the comfort of a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar as the next meet with a BBW lover will make everything alright
If you think all the fat women believe the comments made about them being gorgeous, you're way off the mark.
Besides, regardless of what anyone else says, it's how I feel about myself that matters.
Absolutely agree that it's how you feel about yourself . But what is the trigger that makes people forget about the obvious , and eat more than they know is healthy ?
One minute the logic of a healthy eating and lifestyle is all that's on ones mind , then ...... gone !
The folk who give the compliments are not doing any favours at all and this was the point of my post ."Actually I disagree. Everyone deserves to feel good about themselves rather than ashamed. If they don't want to change then they won't and that's their choice. Trying to shame them into it is wrong. Those that do want to change are far more likely to be able to do so if they start from a positive place with self respect. People who loathe themselves are often unsuccessful, partly because they feel they don't deserve to succeed. Encouraging fat people to feel good about themselves could well help them change when they feel ready. I can't see any benefit at all in trying to make anyone feel bad about themself. | |||
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"and we never had BUY ONE GET ONE FREE wen I was young like the cream cakes on special that was far too many but was free and wouldn't keep!!!! not that it had a chance to lol and there should be the choice of smaller portions as a lot of people live alone and don't want the huge pies for instance A great deal of ready meals contain sugar. There are simple meals to consider such as a jacket potato with a variety of fillings. Eat the skin and as a treat try the lower GI number of a sweet potato. I would suggest that sweet potatoes should be eaten in preference to regular potatoes, not just as a treat, because sweet potatoes are lower GI (and therefore cause a less severe blood sugar spike and insulin reaction). It's a treat when you have to budget
If low GI is what you're aiming for, relying on potatoes for meals won't help. There are lots of lower GI options that won't break the bank."It's more about helping people make smaller changes, so swapping to sweet potatoes, reducing refined carbs such as white to brown rice (if you don't like the dryness then mix the two), or change to basmati rice. | |||
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"i blame technology and sweets its not just the tv you plant ur ass in front of anymore. its computers, phones, tablets, games consoles and the list goes on all this while eating shite recipe for disaster" cmon you have never tasted my cooking!! lol | |||
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"I have a HUGE amount of stress in my life at the moment which does not help I can also put on ridiculous amounts of weight when I slack and even my gp cant work out why I got told to try a 600 calorie a day diet but that was impossible" Has he looked into other metabolic dysfunctions? I have polycystic ovaries, this hormonal dysfunction has caused a sensitivity to simplex sugars that I never had before. I can put on weight very easily but it is extremely hard to lose it. I have maintained my weight since discovering my sensitivity. I can get away with eating crisps and (proper  ) chocolate but give me fruit juice and cooked vegetables and fruit and I'm done for.
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"Let people eat what they want. If they want to b bigger than a matchstick it up to them. Stop critasizeing" The point being most of then don't want to be fat. | |||
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"i blame technology and sweets its not just the tv you plant ur ass in front of anymore. its computers, phones, tablets, games consoles and the list goes on all this while eating shite recipe for disaster cmon you have never tasted my cooking!! lol" i`d eat anything right now
this is a good point though. home cooked meals are the best and healthiest ones. you know whats going in them and can work it around ur diet
again though its the time to prepare yourself 4-5 healthy homecooked meals daily when you have such quick, tasty and convenient alternatives
with a list of shite in the ingredients ur avg joe doesnt see | |||
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"I have a HUGE amount of stress in my life at the moment which does not help I can also put on ridiculous amounts of weight when I slack and even my gp cant work out why I got told to try a 600 calorie a day diet but that was impossible Has he looked into other metabolic dysfunctions? I have polycystic ovaries, this hormonal dysfunction has caused a sensitivity to simplex sugars that I never had before. I can put on weight very easily but it is extremely hard to lose it. I have maintained my weight since discovering my sensitivity. I can get away with eating crisps and (proper ) chocolate but give me fruit juice and cooked vegetables and fruit and I'm done for.
Has your thyroid been checked?"thyroid fine but I do have polycystic ovaries fruit juice pushes my sugars dangerously high | |||
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"Let people eat what they want. If they want to b bigger than a matchstick it up to them. Stop critasizeing The point being most of then don't want to be fat. " Exactly, who's criticising? This is a sharing and caring thread  . | |||
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"Let people eat what they want. If they want to b bigger than a matchstick it up to them. Stop critasizeing The point being most of then don't want to be fat. Exactly, who's criticising? This is a sharing and caring thread ."the forum is very helpful a lot of times | |||
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"People are overweight for different reasons: overeat; undereat; poor nutrition due to ignorance/lack of finances/poor habits/limited choice; comfort eating; sedentary lifestyle/laziness; mental health issues; physical health issues limiting mobility/metabolic issues. You can see there are many reasons as to why people may be overweight. Some of the reasons needed to be treated at source otherwise the person may manage to loose weight but it if the triggers continue to exist, we may see weight gain. If possible, instead of judging can we have healthy living advice?" Two I've just added to the other discussion that aren't on your list: attitudes and culture | |||
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"Actually I disagree. Everyone deserves to feel good about themselves rather than ashamed. If they don't want to change then they won't and that's their choice. Trying to shame them into it is wrong." I could not agree more. It's horrible the way that being overweight is treated as a crime by some people. It doesn't make a person wrong or evil and they don't need to be treated like children who need to be cajoled into losing weight.
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"Laziness...... Biggest cause"
End of day there is enough onformation around regarding health foods etc fact is if folk excercised more obesity would be less of a problem.
I carry a few extra pounds but i regularly exercise and so burn off more than i eat plus plenty liquids taken onboard.
My post is not meant to be critical of others but if anyone can get off their arse like i do then barring disability anyone can.
As for diets there are far too many around and personally would not pay weightwatchers etc money to tell me what to eat or how much i weigh as have own scales.
Good luck to anyone trying to seriously keep weight under control but when you see folk who cannot get out of bed or chair due to weight then it sickens me as they are not force fed. | |||
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"Actually I disagree. Everyone deserves to feel good about themselves rather than ashamed. If they don't want to change then they won't and that's their choice. Trying to shame them into it is wrong. I could not agree more. It's horrible the way that being overweight is treated as a crime by some people. It doesn't make a person wrong or evil and they don't need to be treated like children who need to be cajoled into losing weight.
"it may be childish but the more people tell me to lose weight the harder it is for me to do it | |||
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"eat less than you use and the weight will fall off and the 2and a half litres of water thing is a myth. x x X" Tell the NHS their latest training programme is wrong then  .
As for your first statement, that does NOT work for ALL people. | |||
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"Actually I disagree. Everyone deserves to feel good about themselves rather than ashamed. If they don't want to change then they won't and that's their choice. Trying to shame them into it is wrong. I could not agree more. It's horrible the way that being overweight is treated as a crime by some people. It doesn't make a person wrong or evil and they don't need to be treated like children who need to be cajoled into losing weight.
"On the other hand the question was "Why is there an increase of overweight/obese people" and I do think we are already more generally accepting of people carrying a few extra pounds, and it's become normal to see lots of fat people. So perhaps the understanding attitudes are a contributory factor to the increase? | |||
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"I have a HUGE amount of stress in my life at the moment which does not help I can also put on ridiculous amounts of weight when I slack and even my gp cant work out why I got told to try a 600 calorie a day diet but that was impossible" Why was it impossible? | |||
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"Actually I disagree. Everyone deserves to feel good about themselves rather than ashamed. If they don't want to change then they won't and that's their choice. Trying to shame them into it is wrong. I could not agree more. It's horrible the way that being overweight is treated as a crime by some people. It doesn't make a person wrong or evil and they don't need to be treated like children who need to be cajoled into losing weight.
On the other hand the question was "Why is there an increase of overweight/obese people" and I do think we are already more generally accepting of people carrying a few extra pounds, and it's become normal to see lots of fat people.
So perhaps the understanding attitudes are a contributory factor to the increase?"There are many variables into why and as such the process of eat less calories than you consume doesn't work. Changing attitudes like poor habits will help. | |||
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"I have a HUGE amount of stress in my life at the moment which does not help I can also put on ridiculous amounts of weight when I slack and even my gp cant work out why I got told to try a 600 calorie a day diet but that was impossible Why was it impossible? " being diabetic I have to eat little and often | |||
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that seems extreme to me. calorie deficit is good but 600 cals is ridiculous | |||
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"Two I've just added to the other discussion that aren't on your list: attitudes and culture " I think these 2 are massively influential. I had a friend who worked in california for a year. He came back 2 stone lighter and a marathon runner. People he worked with thought he was unusual fornot exercising. Compare to other states where the majority are obese. | |||
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"Two I've just added to the other discussion that aren't on your list: attitudes and culture I think these 2 are massively influential. I had a friend who worked in california for a year. He came back 2 stone lighter and a marathon runner. People he worked with thought he was unusual fornot exercising. Compare to other states where the majority are obese. " I think too that we live in a culture that's very safe, where we can expect a lot of things to be done for us, and if they go wrong for somebody (or something) else to fix it for us. All of which contributes to us helping ourselves less and taking less personal responsibility. Too many regard themselves (and others) as victims of circumstance rather than masters of their own fate. It's interesting how many comments there are in these discussions about how hard/difficult it is to lose weight and/or maintain fitness - as though that's a bad thing - but it's kind of the point! | |||
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"Form of child cruelty in my opinion." I agree - it should be considered as neglect. I mean obesity of course - not regular chubby kids. | |||
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"Actually I disagree. Everyone deserves to feel good about themselves rather than ashamed. If they don't want to change then they won't and that's their choice. Trying to shame them into it is wrong. I could not agree more. It's horrible the way that being overweight is treated as a crime by some people. It doesn't make a person wrong or evil 5and they don't need to be treated like children who need to be cajoled into losing weight.
"In defence of my post , I am not trying to shame anyone at all . All I am saying is that affirmation of being overweight serves to almost make it alright . Which is nonsense . Why have a dig at me for pointing this out ?  | |||
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"Two I've just added to the other discussion that aren't on your list: attitudes and culture I think these 2 are massively influential. I had a friend who worked in california for a year. He came back 2 stone lighter and a marathon runner. People he worked with thought he was unusual fornot exercising. Compare to other states where the majority are obese. I think too that we live in a culture that's very safe, where we can expect a lot of things to be done for us, and if they go wrong for somebody (or something) else to fix it for us. All of which contributes to us helping ourselves less and taking less personal responsibility. Too many regard themselves (and others) as victims of circumstance rather than masters of their own fate. It's interesting how many comments there are in these discussions about how hard/difficult it is to lose weight and/or maintain fitness - as though that's a bad thing - but it's kind of the point!" Before I got polycystic ovaries, I was always slim and yet could easily lose weight that I didn't need to lose. I could eat absolutely anything. Exercising and dieting were a doddle. Then my hormones started to play up and the weight gain slowly and steadily rose. Strict dieting and daily exercising halted the weight gain but did not reverse it (calorie output was in excess of input), until I discovered my simplex carbs sensitivity. Now I maintain my weight just by keeping an eye on my simplex carbs. Weight loss only occurs through resistance training and it takes much longer than "normal" people. So I refute your "it's kind of the point". | |||
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"eat less than you use and the weight will fall off and the 2and a half litres of water thing is a myth. x x X Tell the NHS their latest training programme is wrong then .
As for your first statement, that does NOT work for ALL people."....maybe i should have said that if you are drinking tea and milk and other drinks that all goes to your water in take and if you drink 2and a half litres of water on top of everything else you risk making yoursel ill.as long as you are adequately hydrated there's no need to worry about it too much..and there cant be a high percentage of the population that Wont lose weight if they eat less than they use up in energy....Thats the way all our bodies work ...isn't it?. x x X | |||
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"Two I've just added to the other discussion that aren't on your list: attitudes and culture I think these 2 are massively influential. I had a friend who worked in california for a year. He came back 2 stone lighter and a marathon runner. People he worked with thought he was unusual fornot exercising. Compare to other states where the majority are obese. I think too that we live in a culture that's very safe, where we can expect a lot of things to be done for us, and if they go wrong for somebody (or something) else to fix it for us. All of which contributes to us helping ourselves less and taking less personal responsibility. Too many regard themselves (and others) as victims of circumstance rather than masters of their own fate. It's interesting how many comments there are in these discussions about how hard/difficult it is to lose weight and/or maintain fitness - as though that's a bad thing - but it's kind of the point! Before I got polycystic ovaries, I was always slim and yet could easily lose weight that I didn't need to lose. I could eat absolutely anything. Exercising and dieting were a doddle. Then my hormones started to play up and the weight gain slowly and steadily rose. Strict dieting and daily exercising halted the weight gain but did not reverse it (calorie output was in excess of input), until I discovered my simplex carbs sensitivity. Now I maintain my weight just by keeping an eye on my simplex carbs. Weight loss only occurs through resistance training and it takes much longer than "normal" people. So I refute your "it's kind of the point". " Refute all you like - in fact all you did was validate it. So it's harder work for you - my point was that anybody that wants to maintain a healthy weight needs to be prepared to work for it. The very idea seems too much for some. | |||
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"eat less than you use and the weight will fall off and the 2and a half litres of water thing is a myth. x x X Tell the NHS their latest training programme is wrong then .
As for your first statement, that does NOT work for ALL people.....maybe i should have said that if you are drinking tea and milk and other drinks that all goes to your water in take and if you drink 2and a half litres of water on top of everything else you risk making yoursel ill.as long as you are adequately hydrated there's no need to worry about it too much..and there cant be a high percentage of the population that Wont lose weight if they eat less than they use up in energy....Thats the way all our bodies work ...isn't it?. x x X"In my original post I did state 2.5 litres of fluid. The milk in breakfast cereal counts towards this total, as does soups and ice-cream. For the majority, yes, less calorie intake than output results in weight loss. | |||
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"Two I've just added to the other discussion that aren't on your list: attitudes and culture I think these 2 are massively influential. I had a friend who worked in california for a year. He came back 2 stone lighter and a marathon runner. People he worked with thought he was unusual fornot exercising. Compare to other states where the majority are obese. I think too that we live in a culture that's very safe, where we can expect a lot of things to be done for us, and if they go wrong for somebody (or something) else to fix it for us. All of which contributes to us helping ourselves less and taking less personal responsibility. Too many regard themselves (and others) as victims of circumstance rather than masters of their own fate. It's interesting how many comments there are in these discussions about how hard/difficult it is to lose weight and/or maintain fitness - as though that's a bad thing - but it's kind of the point! Before I got polycystic ovaries, I was always slim and yet could easily lose weight that I didn't need to lose. I could eat absolutely anything. Exercising and dieting were a doddle. Then my hormones started to play up and the weight gain slowly and steadily rose. Strict dieting and daily exercising halted the weight gain but did not reverse it (calorie output was in excess of input), until I discovered my simplex carbs sensitivity. Now I maintain my weight just by keeping an eye on my simplex carbs. Weight loss only occurs through resistance training and it takes much longer than "normal" people. So I refute your "it's kind of the point". Refute all you like - in fact all you did was validate it. So it's harder work for you - my point was that anybody that wants to maintain a healthy weight needs to be prepared to work for it. The very idea seems too much for some." I refuted it (as a blanket statement) because some people find it very easy. However for some, it's overcoming a certain mindset (I'm thinking certain mental health issues) and for others it is combating a physical impediment, such as hormonal and mobility issues, and therefore the difficulties are extreme. | |||
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"I refuted it (as a blanket statement) because some people find it very easy. However for some, it's overcoming a certain mindset (I'm thinking certain mental health issues) and for others it is combating a physical impediment, such as hormonal and mobility issues, and therefore the difficulties are extreme. " Oh for sure - for some it's easier. But it still requires work - careful diet, being active etc. But I think there are too many unprepared to do any work to help themselves at all, or that give up too easily. | |||
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"*sigh* And this thread is infiltrated by the "it's simple, eat less, move more" crowd. I guess some people are just not able to understand that yes, it's difficult but it's MUCH MORE difficult for some than others. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean everyone else can. It's exactly the same as those people who think that "pull yourself together" is a suitable treatment for depression. Just because THEY have never been depressed, or have been through it and came through by themselves, they expect everybody else can do the same. People, if you think it's easy, and as simple as "eat less, move more" then you probably can't help on this thread. Did you not notice the post higher up saying that someone has struggled so much to lose weight that they were advise to try a 600 calorie per day diet? Could you live for months on end on 600 calories per day and feel happy and motivated? Sure some of you will claim you could, and a few might even be able to, but I don't think it's something most of you would want to do for any length of time. Some of you just don't know what it is you're expecting some people to do." | |||
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"It's exactly the same as those people who think that "pull yourself together" is a suitable treatment for depression. Just because THEY have never been depressed, or have been through it and came through by themselves, they expect everybody else can do the same." Maybe it is. Certainly I don't doubt you could find some sort of 'expert' that would validate that _iew. I accept that for a minority it may really be the case that there are factors beyond their control. But for most people they really do just need to 'pull themselves together' - get up, and get active, and do it more. And has been suggested earlier - hiding behind excuses, screaming for tolerance and so on are as much a part of the problem as to why we're in this situation. | |||
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"I refuted it (as a blanket statement) because some people find it very easy. However for some, it's overcoming a certain mindset (I'm thinking certain mental health issues) and for others it is combating a physical impediment, such as hormonal and mobility issues, and therefore the difficulties are extreme. Oh for sure - for some it's easier. But it still requires work - careful diet, being active etc. But I think there are too many unprepared to do any work to help themselves at all, or that give up too easily." Do you know how demoralising it is to see that others shed ponds with little to no effort (adjusting diet only) when someone expends more than 8000 calories at gym to lose half a pound a week IF lucky. I had to hold onto the fact that losing a minute amount was better none. Even my gym instructor was surprised at the low level results I was achieving. I should have been losing four to five times that. | |||
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"I refuted it (as a blanket statement) because some people find it very easy. However for some, it's overcoming a certain mindset (I'm thinking certain mental health issues) and for others it is combating a physical impediment, such as hormonal and mobility issues, and therefore the difficulties are extreme. Oh for sure - for some it's easier. But it still requires work - careful diet, being active etc. But I think there are too many unprepared to do any work to help themselves at all, or that give up too easily. Do you know how demoralising it is to see that others shed ponds with little to no effort (adjusting diet only) when someone expends more than 8000 calories at gym to lose half a pound a week IF lucky. I had to hold onto the fact that losing a minute amount was better none. Even my gym instructor was surprised at the low level results I was achieving. I should have been losing four to five times that." No I don't. My point was never intended for your personal circumstances. It was in answer to the question as to why we are increasingly fatter. I think the point is valid. | |||
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"*sigh* And this thread is infiltrated by the "it's simple, eat less, move more" crowd. I guess some people are just not able to understand that yes, it's difficult but it's MUCH MORE difficult for some than others. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean everyone else can. ......." Yes, it's difficult (for everyone) but that doesn't invalidate eat less do more as the answer. What you eat and what you do will depend on your personal situation. Everyone CAN achieve good results but for some it will take longer than for others. | |||
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"I must be so lucky because I weigh 6 and a half stone. Take a size 6 or even kids clothes at times and literally eat like a pig. I don't eat healthy at all. Eat chocolate every day and am definitely a salad and veg dodger. Live on microwave food or eat out as don't cook. " one of my daughters is only 7 and a half stone ....people cant believe shes mine my dad never put on an ounce in his entire life but I take after my mum you are very lucky how active are you though if you don't mind me asking | |||
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"There was a programme on a few years ago that followed people that typically didn't put weight on. It showed they moved about much more than most people - feet moving about while sitting etc. etc. In contrast there was that programme on more recently that followed people about to show them the difference between what they were eating and what they claimed they were eating." TRue....its about being honest with yourself, the only one your cheating is yourself. But to some its become a huge battle. | |||
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"When younger we ate what was on our plates,no puddings and no snacks unless it was a jam sarnie on odd occasions.Everything was home made and convienience foods didnt exist along with maccyd,s etc. We never stayed still and were only back in when hungry. Bikes were everywhere and people walked to where they were going.I walked 4 miles a day to school and back and no one was ever driven by parents. Everything has changed in that respect and its become more unhealthy for a lot of people. Ive gone back to the idea of my nan, growing my own, pickling,making ketchup etc. and cooking from scratch served on a much smaller plate. And dont waste anything. The only thing i keep as standby now are beans and pulses and herbs and spices etc. We need to walk more and im so looking forward to doing tha when im mobile and ive also ordered a new bike. Nowt fancy but it will get me moving. Cut the convienience foods out, the crisps and snacks,sugar and it will come off slowly......thank god "We've started doing those things too. The only trouble is the food tastes better and it's tempting to eat more! But then we do burn more by growing it. | |||
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"When younger we ate what was on our plates,no puddings and no snacks unless it was a jam sarnie on odd occasions.Everything was home made and convienience foods didnt exist along with maccyd,s etc. We never stayed still and were only back in when hungry. Bikes were everywhere and people walked to where they were going.I walked 4 miles a day to school and back and no one was ever driven by parents. Everything has changed in that respect and its become more unhealthy for a lot of people. Ive gone back to the idea of my nan, growing my own, pickling,making ketchup etc. and cooking from scratch served on a much smaller plate. And dont waste anything. The only thing i keep as standby now are beans and pulses and herbs and spices etc. We need to walk more and im so looking forward to doing tha when im mobile and ive also ordered a new bike. Nowt fancy but it will get me moving. Cut the convienience foods out, the crisps and snacks,sugar and it will come off slowly......thank god
We've started doing those things too. The only trouble is the food tastes better and it's tempting to eat more! But then we do burn more by growing it."I have made jamie olivers ketchup recipe and it have a tiny amount of sugar in it and no preservatives, same as the pickles....ok so it wont last as long and i cant freeze homemade bread but i give to mates as well so more enjoy the good flavours. | |||
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"I'm making carrot marmalade soon. My excitement at this is admittedly pathetic "Nice
Never tried that.
I think we all need to go back a few eras and back to basics.
Dont eat it unless you have cooked it and know whats in it....i batch cook and freeze......smaller portions.
I had my nans dinner set when my mom died and the dinner plates are much smaller than present ones.even the pudding/soup bowls are tiny.
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"We are living in an era of cheap food and cheap alcohol. We can purchase far more to eat with the same proportion of income that our parents could. We eat and waste more than they did too. If you look at alcohol too, a bottle of whisky 25 years ago would have cost between £10-15. A litre can now be bought for a similar sum. My point is - we can consume more food and alcohol than the previous generation could for arguably less Money. That's a strong causal factor in the increase in obesity in the UK. " There's plenty of cheap food, unfortunately not the foodstuffs for a healthy diet. | |||
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"I must be so lucky because I weigh 6 and a half stone. Take a size 6 or even kids clothes at times and literally eat like a pig. I don't eat healthy at all. Eat chocolate every day and am definitely a salad and veg dodger. Live on microwave food or eat out as don't cook. " you must have a worm | |||
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"I must be so lucky because I weigh 6 and a half stone. Take a size 6 or even kids clothes at times and literally eat like a pig. I don't eat healthy at all. Eat chocolate every day and am definitely a salad and veg dodger. Live on microwave food or eat out as don't cook. you must have a worm " You should get your thyroid checked. And thin people on a processed diet can have high cholesterol... | |||
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"when I was in my late 20s I lost 5 stone then got pregnant again and put it all back on ..finding it very hard this time have tried every diet on earth hoodia was the most successful losing two stone in 6 weeks its taken from the cactus plant but the hairs on my arms got prickly lol" What's hoodia? | |||
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"when I was in my late 20s I lost 5 stone then got pregnant again and put it all back on ..finding it very hard this time have tried every diet on earth hoodia was the most successful losing two stone in 6 weeks its taken from the cactus plant but the hairs on my arms got prickly lol suppresses the appetite taken from cactus What's hoodia?" | |||
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"Is it a tablet? A tincture? From?" tablet form in health food shops or widely available on internet I had to stop as not suitable for diabetics as I found out | |||
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"*sigh* And this thread is infiltrated by the "it's simple, eat less, move more" crowd. I guess some people are just not able to understand that yes, it's difficult but it's MUCH MORE difficult for some than others. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean everyone else can. ....... Yes, it's difficult (for everyone) but that doesn't invalidate eat less do more as the answer. What you eat and what you do will depend on your personal situation. Everyone CAN achieve good results but for some it will take longer than for others." Would you want to live on 600 calories every day for months, maybe years? Could you feel fulfilled and happy on that? That's what it takes for some people to lose weight. There is a point at which "eat less, move more" requires more than should be considered reasonable. There are other factors involved and some people deserve a lot more help than is currently available. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can live a miserable existence as overweight, derided people, possibly suffering from related health problems. Their alternative is to count every calorie, weigh everything and struggle every day with the feeling of having to deprive themselves of everything they want. On 600 calories a day there is very little scope for treats of any sort. Try it. Try working out a few days worth of healthy meals that total 600 calories. Could you eat enough not to feel constantly hungry on that? | |||
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" In contrast there was that programme on more recently that followed people about to show them the difference between what they were eating and what they claimed they were eating." I fully accept that for some people weight loss is difficult but the truth however much some people want to deny it is that for the vast majority of people weightloss/control is as straightforward as others have said. In addition to the program mentioned above any program about obesity/weightloss the only people that ever succeed are those that are willing to work hard. I work in an office of 10, I am one of only 3 not overweight and most of the other 7 are overweight enough to be considered obese. The three of us that aren't overweight are also the ones that don't go to the shop and by crisps and chocolates most days and are the ones that will pig on any chocolates/cakes that are in the office. Is anyone really surprised that those that secretly snack are also the ones who complain that diets don't work and make continual excuses for being unable to shift weight? As an aside, being fit and active and working in an office where everyone is sedatry can be quite unpleasant. I got continually mocked/abused for my "sad" lifestyle. | |||
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" Did you not notice the post higher up saying that someone has struggled so much to lose weight that they were advise to try a 600 calorie per day diet? Could you live for months on end on 600 calories per day and feel happy and motivated? Sure some of you will claim you could, and a few might even be able to, but I don't think it's something most of you would want to do for any length of time. Some of you just don't know what it is you're expecting some people to do." I did my back in a few years ago and was pretty much immobile for around 3 months. I don't calorie count but having not just stopped exercising but pretty much stopped moving, I would guess that I cut my calorie intake by between 1/2 and 2/3. I know I only put on an inconsequential amount of weight. Was it pleasant? No. was it easy? No. I did it because it was what was needed and I'd do it again if needed. | |||
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"There is a point at which "eat less, move more" requires more than should be considered reasonable. There are other factors involved and some people deserve a lot more help than is currently available. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can live a miserable existence as overweight, derided people, possibly suffering from related health problems. Their alternative is to count every calorie, weigh everything and struggle every day with the feeling of having to deprive themselves of everything they want. On 600 calories a day there is very little scope for treats of any sort. Try it. Try working out a few days worth of healthy meals that total 600 calories. Could you eat enough not to feel constantly hungry on that?" What do you propose for these people? The question asked was - why is there an increase in obesity? Are you suggesting it's because people are incapable of helping themselves because the level of work for them to maintain a healthy lifestyle would be unreasonable? If so, what's the solution? | |||
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" Would you want to live on 600 calories every day for months, maybe years? Could you feel fulfilled and happy on that? That's what it takes for some people to lose weight. There is a point at which "eat less, move more" requires more than should be considered reasonable. There are other factors involved and some people deserve a lot more help than is currently available. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can live a miserable existence as overweight, derided people, possibly suffering from related health problems. Their alternative is to count every calorie, weigh everything and struggle every day with the feeling of having to deprive themselves of everything they want. On 600 calories a day there is very little scope for treats of any sort. Try it. Try working out a few days worth of healthy meals that total 600 calories. Could you eat enough not to feel constantly hungry on that?" Where are you getting the 600 calories every day from? I know there's the fasting diet that's fashionable where you eat what you want (within reason) 5 days a week and 'fast' on 600 calories the other 2 days. I can't imagine anyone advising someone to live on 600 calories a day every day for years | |||
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" Would you want to live on 600 calories every day for months, maybe years? Could you feel fulfilled and happy on that? That's what it takes for some people to lose weight. There is a point at which "eat less, move more" requires more than should be considered reasonable. There are other factors involved and some people deserve a lot more help than is currently available. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can live a miserable existence as overweight, derided people, possibly suffering from related health problems. Their alternative is to count every calorie, weigh everything and struggle every day with the feeling of having to deprive themselves of everything they want. On 600 calories a day there is very little scope for treats of any sort. Try it. Try working out a few days worth of healthy meals that total 600 calories. Could you eat enough not to feel constantly hungry on that? Where are you getting the 600 calories every day from? I know there's the fasting diet that's fashionable where you eat what you want (within reason) 5 days a week and 'fast' on 600 calories the other 2 days. I can't imagine anyone advising someone to live on 600 calories a day every day for years " It was claimed earliuer that a GP told someone to diet on 600 calories a day. I must admit that I assumed the same as you that it was a 5/2 diet and not 7/7. | |||
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"It was claimed earliuer that a GP told someone to diet on 600 calories a day. I must admit that I assumed the same as you that it was a 5/2 diet and not 7/7. wasn't the 5 2 diet it was advice from diabetic specialist who wanted me to lose 2 stone in 6 months " Yet the reason you said you couldn;t do it was because of your diabetes? Surely a specialist would have had confidence in the advice that he was giving you? Though I would have thought that that level of calorie restriction would equate to far more than a pound week | |||
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"We are living in an era of cheap food and cheap alcohol. We can purchase far more to eat with the same proportion of income that our parents could. We eat and waste more than they did too. If you look at alcohol too, a bottle of whisky 25 years ago would have cost between £10-15. A litre can now be bought for a similar sum. My point is - we can consume more food and alcohol than the previous generation could for arguably less Money. That's a strong causal factor in the increase in obesity in the UK. There's plenty of cheap food, unfortunately not the foodstuffs for a healthy diet." But, as I said on the other thread - "healthy diet" has little to do with weightloss, this is why I referenced the "Twinkie diet" and more recently the "Mc Donalds experiment" (man eats everey meal from McDonalds, logs calories, stays at 2000Kcal/day, loses weight). Yes, there are health reasons why you should eat a balanced diet, but you can still put weight on eating as 'clean' or as 'dirty' as you like. You cannot defy thermodynamics with quality of foodstuff. The food that was cheap in my grandads day was also not condusive to a healthy diet - tinned, processed meat (Spam, Corned beef anyone?), lots of ways of cooking a potato and loads of white bread, veg boiled to death. Dripping on toast anyone? Chip butty? The fact is that they, by and large consumed marginally less calories and moved a hell of a lot more. The overriding difference between the generations is how little we move today - yes, food availability and the calorific density of that food may be a factor, but it is not the main one. Hardly any heavy manual jobs exist now, we have power tools for everything, TV, Computer, Dishwashers and most people own a car - car ownership was very rare until the 60s so; you got on your bike. | |||
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"It was claimed earliuer that a GP told someone to diet on 600 calories a day. I must admit that I assumed the same as you that it was a 5/2 diet and not 7/7. wasn't the 5 2 diet it was advice from diabetic specialist who wanted me to lose 2 stone in 6 months " But IF would only have you on 500 (or 600 maybe) cals on fast days - on 'normal' days you should be consuming well over 2000. I can't see any reason a doctor would put someone on 600Kcals/day - even if they were morbidly obese and they recommended a very low calorie diet, it would likely be more than 1200Kcal/day. 600Kcal is well under most peoples BMR. I'm pretty sure even people with medical reasons to eat less (PCOS for example) need to eat more than that. | |||
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"Some people think diabetes is always down to being over weight but hey my bloke is type 1 and had it since he was 17 years old and he is as skinny as a rake. " In broad terms Type 1 Diabetes is naturally occuring, Type 2 is generally linked to obesity. | |||
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"Live ya life to the full cause ya a long time dead..... Not to be confused with 'live your life until you're full'." I can't understand this notion that eating within sensible parameters is somehow 'miserable'. Whats 'miserable' to me is getting out of breath walking a mile. | |||
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"A doctor wouldn't recommend that someone lives on 600 calories a day I agree he is a sadist prob never been overweight" Out of interest, as you have dismissed both a specialist and your GP's advice on this thread, is there anyone that you have listened to? | |||
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"The 600 calorie a day diet sounds like the Newcastle diet, trialed and found to be successful in helping diabetics gain rapid control of their blood sugars. It was devised to try to mimic the positive effect on diabetes that bariatric surgery does. It's actually 800 calories; two 300 cal nutritional shakes and a hot meal of 200 cals of vegetables. This is done for three months under strict supervision and it has been proved to be hugely and dramatically effective on controlling blood sugar levels and weight loss. It is ONLY temporary and like any other dietry change, it has to be maintained for the rest of your life for it to be effective. Google 'Fat Head; The Movie'." Cambridge Weight Plan is about 600 cals a day. | |||
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"A doctor wouldn't recommend that someone lives on 600 calories a day I agree he is a sadist prob never been overweight Out of interest, as you have dismissed both a specialist and your GP's advice on this thread, is there anyone that you have listened to? " I will do it in my own way my frame of mind is good at the moment | |||
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"The 600 calorie a day diet sounds like the Newcastle diet, trialed and found to be successful in helping diabetics gain rapid control of their blood sugars. It was devised to try to mimic the positive effect on diabetes that bariatric surgery does. It's actually 800 calories; two 300 cal nutritional shakes and a hot meal of 200 cals of vegetables. This is done for three months under strict supervision and it has been proved to be hugely and dramatically effective on controlling blood sugar levels and weight loss. It is ONLY temporary and like any other dietry change, it has to be maintained for the rest of your life for it to be effective. Google 'Fat Head; The Movie'. Cambridge Weight Plan is about 600 cals a day. "I'm absolutely certain it won't recommend doing that for long periods of time (someone suggested over a year earlier in the thread) | |||
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"*sigh* And this thread is infiltrated by the "it's simple, eat less, move more" crowd. I guess some people are just not able to understand that yes, it's difficult but it's MUCH MORE difficult for some than others. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean everyone else can. ....... Yes, it's difficult (for everyone) but that doesn't invalidate eat less do more as the answer. What you eat and what you do will depend on your personal situation. Everyone CAN achieve good results but for some it will take longer than for others. Would you want to live on 600 calories every day for months, maybe years? Could you feel fulfilled and happy on that? That's what it takes for some people to lose weight. There is a point at which "eat less, move more" requires more than should be considered reasonable. There are other factors involved and some people deserve a lot more help than is currently available. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can live a miserable existence as overweight, derided people, possibly suffering from related health problems. Their alternative is to count every calorie, weigh everything and struggle every day with the feeling of having to deprive themselves of everything they want. On 600 calories a day there is very little scope for treats of any sort. Try it. Try working out a few days worth of healthy meals that total 600 calories. Could you eat enough not to feel constantly hungry on that?" This 600 calories thing is a myth. You're going off what one person has said in this thread, they were incorrectly informed. It's bollocks, no real doctor/nutritionist would recommend that. | |||
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"The 600 calorie a day diet sounds like the Newcastle diet, trialed and found to be successful in helping diabetics gain rapid control of their blood sugars. It was devised to try to mimic the positive effect on diabetes that bariatric surgery does. It's actually 800 calories; two 300 cal nutritional shakes and a hot meal of 200 cals of vegetables. This is done for three months under strict supervision and it has been proved to be hugely and dramatically effective on controlling blood sugar levels and weight loss. It is ONLY temporary and like any other dietry change, it has to be maintained for the rest of your life for it to be effective. Google 'Fat Head; The Movie'. Cambridge Weight Plan is about 600 cals a day.
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"When I became overweight I looked into ways to lose weight. I ate nothing but high fat low carb food for 2 months and lost 2.5 stone. Was it healthy? Not really but it got me to the point where I could be happy with myself and get back to maintaining a healthy diet. Worked wonders. Google ketosis if you're interested. Not for the faint hearted. Currently I'm eating 250g+ of protein a day and around 3,000 cals "CWP works on the ketosis principle. It's a bitch to do but it works. | |||
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"When I became overweight I looked into ways to lose weight. I ate nothing but high fat low carb food for 2 months and lost 2.5 stone. Was it healthy? Not really but it got me to the point where I could be happy with myself and get back to maintaining a healthy diet. Worked wonders. Google ketosis if you're interested. Not for the faint hearted. Currently I'm eating 250g+ of protein a day and around 3,000 cals "It's an incredibly healthy way of eating and I've been doing it for almost six years. | |||
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"When I became overweight I looked into ways to lose weight. I ate nothing but high fat low carb food for 2 months and lost 2.5 stone. Was it healthy? Not really but it got me to the point where I could be happy with myself and get back to maintaining a healthy diet. Worked wonders. Google ketosis if you're interested. Not for the faint hearted. Currently I'm eating 250g+ of protein a day and around 3,000 cals
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"People are overweight for different reasons: overeat; undereat; poor nutrition due to ignorance/lack of finances/poor habits/limited choice; comfort eating; sedentary lifestyle/laziness; mental health issues; physical health issues limiting mobility/metabolic issues. You can see there are many reasons as to why people may be overweight. Some of the reasons needed to be treated at source otherwise the person may manage to loose weight but it if the triggers continue to exist, we may see weight gain. If possible, instead of judging can we have healthy living advice?" I'm on JSA and have to buy the cheapest food which is not the most healthy so hence I'm not as healthy as I should be! | |||
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"People are overweight for different reasons: overeat; undereat; poor nutrition due to ignorance/lack of finances/poor habits/limited choice; comfort eating; sedentary lifestyle/laziness; mental health issues; physical health issues limiting mobility/metabolic issues. You can see there are many reasons as to why people may be overweight. Some of the reasons needed to be treated at source otherwise the person may manage to loose weight but it if the triggers continue to exist, we may see weight gain. If possible, instead of judging can we have healthy living advice?" Being on here can make you fat lol | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little." You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups." Mind you, shop at aldis and save approx a third of what you'd pay in Tesco. | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups." What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. Mind you, shop at aldis and save approx a third of what you'd pay in Tesco." Aldis is the cheapest and best supermarket around. Fact | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 " If you were to show a bag of lentils or some almonds to some people, they wouldnt know what they were ,let alone know what to do with them /cook them....People tend to stick to what they know best and thats crap...re processed food and ready meals.  | |||
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"When I became overweight I looked into ways to lose weight. I ate nothing but high fat low carb food for 2 months and lost 2.5 stone. Was it healthy? Not really but it got me to the point where I could be happy with myself and get back to maintaining a healthy diet. Worked wonders. Google ketosis if you're interested. Not for the faint hearted. Currently I'm eating 250g+ of protein a day and around 3,000 cals
It's an incredibly healthy way of eating and I've been doing it for almost six years.
I just couldn't do it, I love my carbz too much..
Question though (in all seriousness) - how easy is it to gain on a keto diet?"Nobody is more in love or addicted to carbs than I am. If I was told I had months to live, I would have to be cut out of the house. What happens when you stop eating them is the addiction is under control. It will always be there, but as long as you don't feed it, it's easier to avoid. Besides, once you feel and see the difference, you'll never want to go back. My default setting is 'smug' especially as I've seen countless members of my family and loads of friends adopt the low carb lifestyle and have never looked back. | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 " What about fresh meat/chicken/veg? | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 What about fresh meat/chicken/veg?" Not veg, I meant fish. | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 " Flour and cereal are nasty foods that I don't eat at all. All carbs are converted to sugar. Fruit is not 'healthy'. Most of it has been bred to be a sweet as possible and is loaded with sugar. It all contains fructose which is converted by the liver into triglycerides; the form of fat that does damage to the body. | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 What about fresh meat/chicken/veg?" Fresh meat from the butcher - 3 packets of mince, fresh chicken breasts, lean casserole beef - all for £10. If you dice the chicken breasts they last longer. Veg was already accounted for £8 from the market. Meat isn't essential though. | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 Flour and cereal are nasty foods that I don't eat at all. All carbs are converted to sugar. Fruit is not 'healthy'. Most of it has been bred to be a sweet as possible and is loaded with sugar. It all contains fructose which is converted by the liver into triglycerides; the form of fat that does damage to the body." I know a few people that have cut their weight down quickly just by cutting out bread & flour. I like it though - cakes & scones - and dumplings in stews and soup. | |||
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 What about fresh meat/chicken/veg? Fresh meat from the butcher - 3 packets of mince, fresh chicken breasts, lean casserole beef - all for £10. If you dice the chicken breasts they last longer. Veg was already accounted for £8 from the market. Meat isn't essential though." I cant remember what programme it was but when inter_iewing school kids from the age of 7 upwards....i was gobsacked that quite a few didnt know many vegetables and fruit.one girl didnt know what a tomato was ......one didnt eat any veg at all, he said his mum never cooked them
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"The 'healthy food is expensive' is nonsense. Fruit & veg cost very little. You never did get around to stating cheap examples of the other food groups. What else would you like? Flour - 45p Cereal - 31p Massive bag of almonds - £5 Massive bag of lentils £3.50 Enough fruit & veg for a family of 4 for a week at the market £8 Flour and cereal are nasty foods that I don't eat at all. All carbs are converted to sugar. Fruit is not 'healthy'. Most of it has been bred to be a sweet as possible and is loaded with sugar. It all contains fructose which is converted by the liver into triglycerides; the form of fat that does damage to the body. I know a few people that have cut their weight down quickly just by cutting out bread & flour. I like it though - cakes & scones - and dumplings in stews and soup." I love all that too but it makes me fat, raises bad blood lipids and fucks up my pancreas, so I've chosen to avoid it. | |||
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"I cant remember what programme it was but when inter_iewing school kids from the age of 7 upwards....i was gobsacked that quite a few didnt know many vegetables and fruit.one girl didnt know what a tomato was ......one didnt eat any veg at all, he said his mum never cooked them
So with thoughts like that, you can see that the next generation will have an even bigger problem "I know many kids like that. Many adults too. Our children love cooking and baking. We cook all sauces from scratch and they enjoy trying to work out what's in meals etc. Being able to cook is a massive advantage in life - every parent should make sure their kids can cook. | |||
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"I've just eaten a Bounty. And now i feel so guilty - i had that craving. I gave in. ...i think willpower plays a huge part. "It's ok - coconut is one of your five a day. Good for your skin too (if you rubbed it on before eating it) | |||
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"When I became overweight I looked into ways to lose weight. I ate nothing but high fat low carb food for 2 months and lost 2.5 stone. Was it healthy? Not really but it got me to the point where I could be happy with myself and get back to maintaining a healthy diet. Worked wonders. Google ketosis if you're interested. Not for the faint hearted. Currently I'm eating 250g+ of protein a day and around 3,000 cals
It's an incredibly healthy way of eating and I've been doing it for almost six years.
I just couldn't do it, I love my carbz too much..
Question though (in all seriousness) - how easy is it to gain on a keto diet?"To the person who said that they've been on it for years and it is healthy, I agree. It's just that whenever I say keto/paleo is healthy I get some smarmy nutritionist fucker getting all up in my grill about how carbs are integral so I couldn't be arsed to have to defend myself. To the person who asked how hard it is to bulk on keto, I'd say very. Keto lowers your appetite so whilst you'd be bulking with next to no fat gain, it would be tough to consume enough protein to bulk. Also you probably won't be able to lift as much as you would be able to on a carb diet. | |||
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"People are overweight because they consume more kilojoules than they burn off its that simple no mystery no illness some do it for boredom. Some for greed others eat normally but do sweet FA exercise. I have sympathy for people with food addictions but not people who over eat through greed and who can't be bothered to do something about it. " Yeah people never get fat because of illness .
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"A list of things they should do in schools to benefit youngsters. 1. Teach them about how important hygiene is. 2. Teach them how to cook proper meals. Not baking as that's just easy and pointless. 3. Teach them how to work basic household objects and to fix "some" things when they break. 4. Show them the difference between healthy food and not so healthy food, but advise them some f the "bad" food doesn't do anyone any harm. 5. Separate children when it comes to diet and exercise as most people need to be treated differently. 6. When it comes to teaching a lot of "pointless" stuff is being taught. So cancel that and focus on the 5 things I have listed. 7. All businesses now need the same office skills. So show them how an office is run and your sorted. 6. If there's a subject that's had "no importance" and a child doesn't like the subject either. Let them advance themselves in the areas that matter to them that will help them in the long run. " Schools cover most of that already (all of it to an extent). I agree about teaching 'proper meals' - understanding herbs & spices etc. | |||
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"A list of things they should do in schools to benefit youngsters. 1. Teach them about how important hygiene is. 2. Teach them how to cook proper meals. Not baking as that's just easy and pointless. 3. Teach them how to work basic household objects and to fix "some" things when they break. 4. Show them the difference between healthy food and not so healthy food, but advise them some f the "bad" food doesn't do anyone any harm. 5. Separate children when it comes to diet and exercise as most people need to be treated differently. 6. When it comes to teaching a lot of "pointless" stuff is being taught. So cancel that and focus on the 5 things I have listed. 7. All businesses now need the same office skills. So show them how an office is run and your sorted. 6. If there's a subject that's had "no importance" and a child doesn't like the subject either. Let them advance themselves in the areas that matter to them that will help them in the long run. Schools cover most of that already (all of it to an extent). I agree about teaching 'proper meals' - understanding herbs & spices etc." Not really as when you do PE. They treat everyone the same, which is wrong. Secondly a child could have a strong passion for computers, maths or business and they won't be able to cope with the workload because they are throwing literature down their throat. Everyone only has a certain amount of time to do things and I think. Well in my area certainly, about lifestyle, etc. There's a lot of people who just stink, plain as really and I don't mean of B.O. I mean proper smell. Can't even say what of  It just makes me gag and that says a lot as I never heave or feel the need to be sick. Also bad breath is an issue as well as bad diets. Lot of people dying young due to heart problems due to eating fatty foods. Not to mention not eating fruit at all. Its a big issue in my area I know that much.
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"A list of things they should do in schools to benefit youngsters. 1. Teach them about how important hygiene is. 2. Teach them how to cook proper meals. Not baking as that's just easy and pointless. 3. Teach them how to work basic household objects and to fix "some" things when they break. 4. Show them the difference between healthy food and not so healthy food, but advise them some f the "bad" food doesn't do anyone any harm. 5. Separate children when it comes to diet and exercise as most people need to be treated differently. 6. When it comes to teaching a lot of "pointless" stuff is being taught. So cancel that and focus on the 5 things I have listed. 7. All businesses now need the same office skills. So show them how an office is run and your sorted. 6. If there's a subject that's had "no importance" and a child doesn't like the subject either. Let them advance themselves in the areas that matter to them that will help them in the long run. Schools cover most of that already (all of it to an extent). I agree about teaching 'proper meals' - understanding herbs & spices etc." Some fat people are fantastic cooks they use herbs and spices and understand about proper meals its all down to "towerage" (how high you pile your plate)! | |||
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"Every child should receive a wide education covering a wide range of subjects, including the arts, housekeeping, cookery, If someone shows a talent for any one subject that is great, but it would be wrong to leave out other subjects, school isn't the time to make choices about our future, its about becoming a well rounded, individual with basic life skills, and an enquiring mind, Jobs now a days are not for life. One of the problems is, if a person is good at say science, and concentrates on that, they are missing out on communication and life skills, and that's the same for any subject." I meant say a child couldn't stand literature and was very poor at it and he really liked geology, why force him into spending their limited time on a subject that they know they will fail. Also a happy student is a great student, like a happy worker is a busy worker. If that child studies geology then. It will make them happy as they are either doing subjects they like or are good at and being happy will enhance their performance. Secondly you can get a great career from it and lastly. You don't have to waste several years studying it afterwards as they would have done it already. I am all for learning about life's skills and key subjects, but some subjects are just pointless and should only be there if a person wants to learn about it. | |||
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"Never trust a thin chef "Or a fat one as they maybe stealing your portions whilst preparing it | |||
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"What about throwing genes into the mix..." While it may be the case that the FTO variant could predispose people towards overeating, that is not the same thing as causing people to overeat. It may take more willpower for people with the FTO variant to stay healthy than for most people, but none of us are controlled entirely by our genes. Eating a healthy balanced diet and taking regular exercise are more manageable ways to achieve a healthy weight. (NHS) The fat gene seems to be more prevalent in the UK and the US. Or maybe it's big bones.. | |||
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"What about throwing genes into the mix..." Usually fat parents raise fat children, it has nothing to do with a fat gene, Just look in any supermarket, you can tell who will be fat, just by looking in the trolley, lge bottles cheapest fizzy drinks, cheapest white bread, biscuits, crisps, tinned food, Very little fruit and veg, if any, The genes come into play in stubbornness, laziness, and pre disposition not to exercise. Hence low incomes, sky boxes, flat screen TV's, PC games. And poor education standards. | |||
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