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will ukip win the next general election?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

monster raving loony party will win a majority in Parliament before yewcrap ever do..

just my opinion..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hope so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, they wont!

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By *lackCherryCouple over a year ago

Bristol

To suggest they will be anything other than a 4th party is to not understand anything about voting patterns.

They MIGHT push the liberals out of existence but thats all they will manage.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

Nope.

I mean, this sort of thing has been happening for years (Referendum Party anyone?) and it's still a two horse race. Every time.

UKIP will just split the Tory vote. Which is a good thing IMO.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

what are their policies on the economy, environment, defence, education, NHS etc etc..?

any of their supporters on here actually know of any?

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I hope not.

Have you actually read their policies?

They're more right wing than the bastards we have now!

They'll be even more destructive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The next Euro elections for MSP's may be interesting, hey should win a few seats.

A General Election, no chance. Would do well to win a dozen seats.

I strongly doubt that any party will ever again "win" an election by gaining a majority of seats.

If only "None of the above" wasn't a lawful option.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I strongly doubt that any party will ever again "win" an election by gaining a majority of seats.

None of the parties we have currently, anyway.

They're all greedy, lying scum with their snouts in the trough and no regard for anyone but themselves.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

funny enough it is had been done via Proportional Representation (PR) as the euro elections are done, they may have had a chance....

but under "first past the post"... not a chance, they would get 3 seats tops....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"what are their policies on the economy, environment, defence, education, NHS etc etc..?

any of their supporters on here actually know of any? "

You miss the point somewhat?

They will capture votes from people, millions maybe, who simply do not like or even detest the "policies" put forward by the big three, Labour, Liberals and Tories.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder how many actually read the manefesto's of the parties and understand where they are getting their data and what the reality is rather than the scaremongering?

As a marketing geek I know the value of sound bites and media positioning. Fuel the fear of being over-run by Bulgarians or whoever. In the 70's it was Pakistanis. Lead to fights in the streets ... Yet when you get the stats from the home office thr numbers show its all bollox.

The sound bite is aimed at the poorly informed. Our system has us voting for people we don't know. We have safe seats, people voting in areas on an ideal... What a crazy thought.

So, I suspect they could win. The sound bites sound right, the country is bored of being skint and blame C's.. Labour has lost the Blair marketing machine ... Can they run the place, I very much doubt it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"what are their policies on the economy, environment, defence, education, NHS etc etc..?

any of their supporters on here actually know of any?

You miss the point somewhat?

They will capture votes from people, millions maybe, who simply do not like or even detest the "policies" put forward by the big three, Labour, Liberals and Tories. "

thanks but i'm pretty au fait with the concept of floating/protest/ tactical voter at election times..

my question was to those on here espousing the ukip line, just wanted to see if they were interested in the actual policies or as i suspect for some its all about immigration..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

they have allready gained the most votes ever in the locals and london wasnt even Included .the biggest political swing in history will happen in the general election .mark my words ill vote them in .and looking at this pole so far its close call

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

They may gain a few votes from the Tories on one side and the BNP on the other, but they aren't a serious party. They are just a party of protest. Jimmy Goldsmith's Referendum Party was expected to do great things and got annihilated. History repeats itself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

Have you really thought this through by looking at all their policies?

They definitely won't win, but if you want an idea of how things could turn out if they had a more significant say just look across the pond at the Tea Party!

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By *r Mahogany70Man over a year ago

Leicester

"they have allready gained the most votes ever in the locals and london wasnt even Included .the biggest political swing in history will happen in the general election .mark my words ill vote them in .and looking at this pole so far its close call

You'll still have some women wanting BBC only

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" If only "None of the above" wasn't a lawful option."

You can choose to spoil your ballot as an alternative as these are read out with the results (apparently but I can't ever remember them).

May not sound like much but if millions did it...

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

care to wager? how many seats would they win the general election?

I'll let you pick the number.... and i'll take the under!!!!

lets see how confident/deluded you really are?........

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

BNP won a lot of votes in the local elections in the NW, yet they're not in power (thank fuck!)

Check out the British electoral system and see how unlikely it is for a very small party like UKIP to get anymore than a few votes in right wing inner city areas. The party that woos Middle England is the party that wins. And Middle England is very middle of the road.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

just a thought, why do you hope so?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You'll still have some women wanting BBC only

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some women will still like little black cock.uncut smelly cock thankfully whoever wins ill still have a big white cock that has put a few black ones in the shade .this isnt about colour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I quoted Farage's comments about women near the end of the other thread (closed because it's too big) because in all the debate I hadn't seen anyone post what he actually said. I gave no opinion and it was the only post I made in the debate but was somehow labelled a UKIP supporter and I didn't get a right to reply. I'd just like to point out that I don't support any party and have never voted. As far as I am concerned Labour and the conservatives are pretty similar. They do some good and mess some stuff up. They are the only ones who will govern for the foreseeable future so I'm not bothered who is in power.

Thank you... Carry on!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I for one am sick to death of the two main parties Con and Lab, Lib Dem are as much use as a chocolate tea pot on a hot sunny day. For too long we have had these MPs lie to us all over and over again. I am all for honesty, the peoples thoughts and needs, but none so far have really expressed our thoughts. UKIP have really for me it is about the issue's that matter, yep immigration is a major thing for me not that I am against someone wanting to better themselves or their families lives but to come here go immediately on benefits then send it home and to go steal and commit crime, for me is an immediate pack your bags. We as a country have gone to the dogs in so many ways. When you have a party that is expressing the majorities _iews and aperations and the ones in power seem to just be too concerned keeping their noses in the money trough then for me it is a no brainer. At the end of the day how much worse could they do than the others. I think you have to have a starting point and only hope to improve. So guess I kinda sway towards UKIP at this time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They're like the Tory Nazi party - good luck everyone if the pigs fly - & they win!!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I for one am sick to death of the two main parties Con and Lab, Lib Dem are as much use as a chocolate tea pot on a hot sunny day. For too long we have had these MPs lie to us all over and over again. I am all for honesty, the peoples thoughts and needs, but none so far have really expressed our thoughts. UKIP have really for me it is about the issue's that matter, yep immigration is a major thing for me not that I am against someone wanting to better themselves or their families lives but to come here go immediately on benefits then send it home and to go steal and commit crime, for me is an immediate pack your bags. We as a country have gone to the dogs in so many ways. When you have a party that is expressing the majorities _iews and aperations and the ones in power seem to just be too concerned keeping their noses in the money trough then for me it is a no brainer. At the end of the day how much worse could they do than the others. I think you have to have a starting point and only hope to improve. So guess I kinda sway towards UKIP at this time.

safe to assume you feel the same way about none immigrants who act the same way, benefit abuse, crime etc..?

where do they go to when they've packed their bags..?

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By *r Mahogany70Man over a year ago

Leicester

You'll still have some women wanting BBC only

some women will still like little black cock.uncut smelly cock thankfully whoever wins ill still have a big white cock that has put a few black ones in the shade .this isnt about colour "

Nah, of course it isn't. It's about those horrible eastern Europeans too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Putting aside what people might think of them...

Can somebody explain to me how it would actually be possible for them to form a government at the next election?

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By *ingjayMan over a year ago

exeter

I hope they do!!! Surprising how many people trash them when they just say what we're all thinking!! Typical brits!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Putting aside what people might think of them...

Can somebody explain to me how it would actually be possible for them to form a government at the next election?"

Well assuming they gain a majority of the 635 Westminster seats, then i guess Queenie ( or remaining heirs ) get the casting vote.

It would be highly unusual for a reigning monarch to deny thme the opportunity in such instance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

just a thought, why do you hope so?"
because the country I and my parents. and there parents parents were born is being slowly but surely fucked .by mass imigration from every corner of the world .a.d that is due to pathetic political parties who have run this country feeding us all bullshit promises.referendum on the eu labour never happened conservatives same shit .but only after you re elect them .lib dems do me a favour could not run a bath .i cant remember any ukip mps fiddling there expenses .we give aid to . the whole world nearly some countrys are richer than us .do the maths we are a island small roads small schools small hospitals prisons .we used to have the biggest balls in the world .we won two world wars so we could live a decent life we beat the nazis ffs .and all for this

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Putting aside what people might think of them...

Can somebody explain to me how it would actually be possible for them to form a government at the next election?"

the only way they would be about to do it would be in some sort of coalition in a hung parliament.... and the maths would have to be so tight it would end up being some sort of conservative/NI unionist/UKIP coalition......

for example last round you almost ended up with a labour/lib dem/snp/plaid coalition.... sort of rainbow centre left thing.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

just a thought, why do you hope so? because the country I and my parents. and there parents parents were born is being slowly but surely fucked .by mass imigration from every corner of the world .a.d that is due to pathetic political parties who have run this country feeding us all bullshit promises.referendum on the eu labour never happened conservatives same shit .but only after you re elect them .lib dems do me a favour could not run a bath .i cant remember any ukip mps fiddling there expenses .we give aid to . the whole world nearly some countrys are richer than us .do the maths we are a island small roads small schools small hospitals prisons .we used to have the biggest balls in the world .we won two world wars so we could live a decent life we beat the nazis ffs .and all for this "

So it does just ball down to immigration, no surprise there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well assuming they gain a majority of the 635 Westminster seats"

I'm having difficulty understanding how this bit will happen.

I'm happy for people to vote for them though - please do. Anything that helps prevent the smug fuckwits currently in power from being so is positive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone who thinks ukip will win the election is highly deluded.

The End

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

all for this "

'WE' beat the Basis; who's 'WE' ????

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Let's see how many hypocritical MEP seats they take in May. They will get more council seats as that is a very safe way of registering a protest vote.

Winning a general election in May 2015... no way? I am so confident of that that I offer a free for all gangbang to all the UKIPpers on here wanting to fuck the immigrants out of Britain.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

we are a nation of mongrels, there is'nt many of us can trace our lineage back to...?

oh yeh, pure celt, norse, norman or whomever..

the country has always had immigration, the immigrants came here and were part of the navy that ruled the globe, part of the 'empire' with its faults and benefits...

are we being fucked as some of the other cultures that make up our society are prepared to work harder at school etc and make sacrifices to be successfull than some who choose to blame others for their own lack of drive..?

btw we only 'won' 2 world wars due to the tens of thousands of none Brits that gave their lives alongside us..

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

all for this

'WE' beat the Basis; who's 'WE' ????"

"We" the Allied Forces, the Ghurkha's, the Indians, the West Indians, the Australians and New Zealanders. Shit! That included black people!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

meant to add before you go spouting off about 'us', do some research on the history of this country first..

thats historical research, not some pamphlet by ukip or some trashy right wing paper..

just a thought..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shall we begin with the Danes?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

all for this

'WE' beat the Basis; who's 'WE' ????

"We" the Allied Forces, the Ghurkha's, the Indians, the West Indians, the Australians and New Zealanders. Shit! That included black people!

Would you have given due credit to the Russians, who in reality so weakened the Nazi war effort that they subsequently lost elsewhere, had they been Black?

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By *he Happy ManMan over a year ago

Merseyside

ukip do not have a cats in hells chance of winning the election.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would you have given due credit to the Russians, who in reality so weakened the Nazi war effort that they subsequently lost elsewhere, had they been Black?

Not entirely relevant to the point being made though really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

Not a chance BUT and its a big but they are making other parties rethink strategy and policy towards what the majority actually want. I would hate in reality to see them in full power as some ideas are scrotal but maybe an mp or 3 may make others re-thing and listen to what the general public actually want.

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By *icked weaselCouple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

we think ukip might surprise the next election !!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

all for this

'WE' beat the Basis; who's 'WE' ????

"We" the Allied Forces, the Ghurkha's, the Indians, the West Indians, the Australians and New Zealanders. Shit! That included black people!

Would you have given due credit to the Russians, who in reality so weakened the Nazi war effort that they subsequently lost elsewhere, had they been Black?

I didn't list everyone. It would have been a longer list if I had.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would you have given due credit to the Russians, who in reality so weakened the Nazi war effort that they subsequently lost elsewhere, had they been Black?

Not entirely relevant to the point being made though really."

As are many posts on this and most threads that diverge from the OP.

Maybe some Russians will vote UKIP, who knows?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'WE' undoubtedly would be speaking German now if it wasn't for all those bloody, bloody immigrants!!

........mind you, we may be better engineers, have a better & far cheaper transport system, have a government that gives a shit about our living standards & that could organise a piss up in a brewery etc.......

Bloody, bloody immigrants!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No not possible, as I understand it we live under a two party elected dictatorship!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

who was the driving force in command of the allies you retards I. know more about both world wars than most people.my dad and my uncle was sas .in the battle of narvik in norway and then in the later war in suiz .i know the polish flew our spitfires .the whole world was at war hence ww1 ww2 .the americans kept out till late in both due to the fact they were leasing us the boats and bombs .they made money from the war .and still make money from every war there ever is .im not a rascist im a realist .my daughters god father is black I fuck black women .im british born and bred and have slowly watched it get worse and worse overflowing is as good for this country as pissing in a blocked toilet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bretons, pushed west by Romans(Italian) to become the Welsh and Cornish. Scots from Ireland originally. Then Angles, Jutes and Saxons (Danish and German) arrive. Then Normans (French-ish) arrive.

German for cow is cu. Meat when eaten is beef, French word.

Shows the French were in charge, ate the meat, and the Germans were the farmers (grew the cow).

Pig, pork, Sheep, Mutton ...

Plague turns up, kills 50% of population ... English language is born. Cow, beef ... Etc.

Germans marry into French leaders, and boom ... British.

The whole island is what it is due to its constantly changing nature. Near to the sea does that... They arrive in boats!!

Net immigration is at an all time low, we are a poor country right now. Get some real facts not propaganda from parties. Don't make decisions for the majority based on the concern about the minority.

btw, in recent World Wars the Polish, Russian, Dutch and American ensured Fascism did not win over the sense of fair play the British have. ... Fascism is right wing, Ukip, BNP, nazi ... Not what we thrive on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lots of people join Fab dreaming of seeing multiple people destroying a cunt. Thanks for letting us voyeur on that! Keep up the good work x

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"who was the driving force in command of the allies you retards I. know more about both world wars than most people.my dad and my uncle was sas .in the battle of narvik in norway and then in the later war in suiz .i know the polish flew our spitfires .the whole world was at war hence ww1 ww2 .the americans kept out till late in both due to the fact they were leasing us the boats and bombs .they made money from the war .and still make money from every war there ever is .im not a rascist im a realist .my daughters god father is black I fuck black women .im british born and bred and have slowly watched it get worse and worse overflowing is as good for this country as pissing in a blocked toilet "

It's good to know that we are all retards and you know everything. The world is safe tonight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'WE' undoubtedly would be speaking German now if it wasn't for all those bloody, bloody immigrants!!

Bloody, bloody immigrants!!

Not to mention being able to stand up at top level football matches. Aside from Uefa ones that is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would you have given due credit to the Russians, who in reality so weakened the Nazi war effort that they subsequently lost elsewhere, had they been Black?

Not entirely relevant to the point being made though really.

As are many posts on this and most threads that diverge from the OP.

Maybe some Russians will vote UKIP, who knows?"

I meant that Russians not being black wasn't relevant to the point that our current freedom is thanks to more than just the white British.

Nothing is relevant to the original question other than

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"I hope they do!!! Surprising how many people trash them when they just say what we're all thinking!! Typical brits!!!"

They've never said a thing that I was thinking and I doubt they ever will.

Kills me, people that harp on about us defeating the Nazis, then go and vote for a party that espouses a watered down version of their policies!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Dwight Eisenhower was the Supreme Commanderof the Allied Forces...

Technically, the whole world wasn't at war during WW1 or WW2, they were just localised wars going on with treaties made between countries that joined the dots. You think the Russians were on 'our' side?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'WE' undoubtedly would be speaking German now if it wasn't for all those bloody, bloody immigrants!!

Bloody, bloody immigrants!!

Not to mention being able to stand up at top level football matches. Aside from Uefa ones that is. "

Shit, I forgot the football!!!

Ah, yes, but the success at club level is with bloody immigrants playing for our teams!!

Bloody, bloody immigrants!!!

Oh, & Australasians flew spitfires also, God knows why - after being hung out to dry in Galipoli

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

British, Americans, Czechoslovakians, Poles, Australians, Free French, Newfoundlanders, Belgians, Irish, New Zealanders, Jamaicans, South Africans, Canadians, Palestinians and Southern Rhodesians all flew in the Battle of Britain!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Let's see how many hypocritical MEP seats they take in May. They will get more council seats as that is a very safe way of registering a protest vote.

Winning a general election in May 2015... no way? I am so confident of that that I offer a free for all gangbang to all the UKIPpers on here wanting to fuck the immigrants out of Britain.

I'll fluff for you if they do, that's how confident I am!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But thats far from accurate this country has prospered in migration and immigration the gene pool mix has helped for hundreds of years. What isn't right though is brining in unskilled people we want the best technologists, scientists engineers and the rest coming to the UK and we make our unemployed do the jobs people from abroad come in to do. People from outside the UK can come in a Skilled Migrants Work Visa if they can fill a a skilled well paid job and we need them. The real reason this country has got worse in some areas is that people are not forced back into the labour market to earn a wage preferring he arse on the sofa watching TV option.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Let's see how many hypocritical MEP seats they take in May. They will get more council seats as that is a very safe way of registering a protest vote.

Winning a general election in May 2015... no way? I am so confident of that that I offer a free for all gangbang to all the UKIPpers on here wanting to fuck the immigrants out of Britain.

I'll fluff for you if they do, that's how confident I am!"
lol ive got it in writing.come on nigel no party causes this much political panic

and nothing other than religion causes a bigger argument .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"British, Americans, Czechoslovakians, Poles, Australians, Free French, Newfoundlanders, Belgians, Irish, New Zealanders, Jamaicans, South Africans, Canadians, Palestinians and Southern Rhodesians all flew in the Battle of Britain!

Okay, apart from those, what have the bloody immigrants ever done for us, eh?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Let's see how many hypocritical MEP seats they take in May. They will get more council seats as that is a very safe way of registering a protest vote.

Winning a general election in May 2015... no way? I am so confident of that that I offer a free for all gangbang to all the UKIPpers on here wanting to fuck the immigrants out of Britain.

I'll fluff for you if they do, that's how confident I am! lol ive got it in writing.come on nigel no party causes this much political panic

and nothing other than religion causes a bigger argument .

No one's arguing...there's a bit of debate, a lot of ridicule and a whole heap of empty rhetoric from the UKIP side.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Okay, apart from those, what have the bloody immigrants ever done for us, eh?

Scored the winning goal in the 1995 FA Cup Final ( i think ).

Oooooh la la. Here's your £1m Mr Wilkinson.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" If only "None of the above" wasn't a lawful option.

You can choose to spoil your ballot as an alternative as these are read out with the results (apparently but I can't ever remember them).

May not sound like much but if millions did it... "
we would still have the same shit only the brain dead dont vote .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well, thank fook it's a democracy eh?

With MP's representing their electorate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Okay, apart from those, what have the bloody immigrants ever done for us, eh?

The Romans did put up a big wall to try and stop people getting in. But then they buggered off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Okay, apart from those, what have the bloody immigrants ever done for us, eh?

The Romans did put up a big wall to try and stop people getting in. But then they buggered off."
not to mention roads sewers and swinging orgies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Okay, apart from those, what have the bloody immigrants ever done for us, eh?

The Romans did put up a big wall to try and stop people getting in. But then they buggered off."

Not to mention the dykes from Wales.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To be fair liberals have been winning locals for years and not getting anyhwhere and I doubt UKIP will get any real power. Farrage is a smart dude though, he holds together a party that could easily fall apart with it's independant radical _iews.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Swinging dykes - now we're talking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

always liked the George Michael song shot the dog taking the piss out of Blair and showing what a corrupt wan.... I mean person he is.

they are all the same unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"always liked the George Michael song shot the dog taking the piss out of Blair and showing what a corrupt wan.... I mean person he is.

they are all the same unfortunately."

hahaha twas a good video!

I'm not sure they are the same... until they get into power, and realise they don't actually have much room to manouver!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

all for this

'WE' beat the Basis; who's 'WE' ????

"We" the Allied Forces, the Ghurkha's, the Indians, the West Indians, the Australians and New Zealanders. Shit! That included black people!

If you do the research you will see Farage is pro commonwealth and anti EU.

Many of the pakistani and Indian community are now UKIP supporters as they think there is too much immigration from eastern europe.

Its not about colour, or race, its the fact that we are too overcrowded and our hospitals, schools, gp's and other public services cannot cope with the sheer weight of numbers coming here.

There is also a housing shortage partly due to too much immigration, too many people here, which is causing house prices to sky rocket again, and rents to keep rising. (supply and demand)

Why is it people in this country think you are a bigot, or racist, a nazi just because you want proper controls on immigration?

Those asking for UKIP policies i gave many on the other thread about Nigel Farage which was closed because it got too big (and i can't be arsed to type all of that out again), so if you want to know UKIP policies please read them there.

If you want more of the same old, same old then just keep voting Labour and Conservative. I on the other hand want something better for our country.

Farage said there will be a political earthquake in this country and he is right because people are disillusioned and fed up with labour, tory and lib dem, there are only so many lies and broken promises people can take.

Russel Brand said he does'nt bother to vote because he can't see the point, and there will be a revolution in this country. Something has got to give?

As for UKIP winning the general election, no i don't think they will, but i will still vote for them, every journey has to start with a single step, and if you look where UKIP have come from over the last 10 years to where they are now, it is quite a remarkable climb up the political ladder in such a short space of time. Fast forward another 10 years and we may have a UKIP government then?

I do think they will win the upcoming european elections in May, which is the earthquake Nigel Farage is talking about.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"To be fair liberals have been winning locals for years and not getting anyhwhere and I doubt UKIP will get any real power. Farrage is a smart dude though, he holds together a party that could easily fall apart with it's independant radical _iews."
they didnt get far? there in the bloody coalition .i predict a ukip conservative coalition perhaps with more votes for ukip.strange things happen .liz is still in big brother .dappy has alledgedly got a.bigger cock than me its a crazy country we live in

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

at least centour can see it its not about race .its more about logic just an example .i go to my local politicly correct corner shop for some beers would you like a bag for those .yes thankyou its a cheap bag theres a deal on twelve for ten thats cheap bargain.i ram them in the shit bag is overloaded it splits popping six of my lovely stellas.not such a bargain now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Okay, apart from the architecture, infrastructure, roads, sewage, education, aquaducts, democracy; what bloody have those bloody bloody immigrants ever bloody done for bloody us then, eh???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can't be any worse than David Cameron so why not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"at least centour can see it its not about race .its more about logic just an example .i go to my local politicly correct corner shop for some beers would you like a bag for those .yes thankyou its a cheap bag theres a deal on twelve for ten thats cheap bargain.i ram them in the shit bag is overloaded it splits popping six of my lovely stellas.not such a bargain now

Should come to Wales, we have to pay for those shit bags

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No matter who gets in you know they got in by telling you what you want to hear to get your vote lies get them in and only fools like us hope they do as they say they end up worse than the last lot and we end up paying for it and our poor services end up being shafted to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No matter who gets in you know they got in by telling you what you want to hear to get your vote lies get them in and only fools like us hope they do as they say they end up worse than the last lot and we end up paying for it and our poor services end up being shafted to "

No way!!!

Oh, for a true democracy!! _

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't be daft

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By *RYBBWCouple over a year ago

Leeds.

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

Not by blaming all the recent storms and flooding on gay marriage they won't. They sound like a bunch of fruit loops.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't be daft"

....sorry, was dreaming!

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

Why ask a Pole for an opinion? I thought UKIP were against Eastern Europeans?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Monty python humour alive and well then lmao

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By *himanMan over a year ago

chichester

hope so

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By *wiftieeMan over a year ago

near Glasgow

"To suggest they will be anything other than a 4th party is to not understand anything about voting patterns.

They MIGHT push the liberals out of existence but thats all they will manage.

Agree, and no bad thing all round!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

Why ask a Pole for an opinion? I thought UKIP were against Eastern Europeans? "

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Cheap plastic bags are the fault of the Government! It's a conspiracy I tell ya!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stella's? More bloody Belgian bloody immigrants; next you'll be banning all curries, Mr visage!!

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

I doubt that UKIP will even win a seat in parliament. However, with luck, they will stir up enough xenophobic paranoia in the NIMBYs to so split the right wing vote that they hand "call me were all in it together (take from the poor and give to the rich) Dave" and his cronies their collective arse in a sling.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just so long as Miliband and his champagne socialists dont win, I will be happy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But ukip is just the Nazi Tory party; isn't it? ......maybe I'm blind...

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By *i-shoptonMan over a year ago

bishopton

UKIP ???

Be careful what you wish for.....

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By *awkeye and HotlipsCouple over a year ago

Takeley

No. No party that is any way off the centre will ever win. Unelectable

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By *exxifun5Couple over a year ago

NORWICH

I dont really understand politics and the elections so am being brave and posting , as im sure all u politicians will rip me apart, but from a simple tax paying citizen point of _iew. I believe that yes immigration does work but what we need to stop is the immigrants that are coming ova for an easy life and purely for our benefit system . The answer I believe in my niavety is that u can come over here but have to prove how you will support yourself and your family with out using our benefit system . And benefits are not available for immigrants unless they have worked and contribited through taxes. I think also that even our own citizens should not be allowed to abuse the benefit system as a small minority do .. some people believe benefits are a right and an entitlment and they are not. They are a helping hand in a time of need not a lifestyle choice . Well these are my opinions please dont be too harsh I am not a politician jist a swinger lol x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep, you're correct!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Your first line speaks volumes..

so just to clarify someone was in the sas in Norway in 1940 then served with the sas in 1956 in Suez..?

think you may want to refresh your knowledge of ww2 and post sas ops fella..

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your first line speaks volumes..

so just to clarify someone was in the sas in Norway in 1940 then served with the sas in 1956 in Suez..?

think you may want to refresh your knowledge of ww2 and post sas ops fella..

The guy probably was the cook!

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Will UKIP win the next general election? Not a chance. I would give them a few more seats than Fabio has said but not many. I would predict around ten, mostly (if not all) in the east of England.

Will UKIP win the Euro elections this year? Overall in Britain No. The Scottish and Welsh Labour vote will see to that. In England, a resounding Yes. UKIP have very strong support in counties such as Kent, Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk, and Lincolnshire, and will also pick up a lot of votes in some of the inner city areas and other shire counties as well.

What amazes me is how paranoid some of the left (and some Tories) have become when UKIP is discussed. "Nazi Fascist, Xenophobic" are all words regularly used when describing what in reality is one of the most moderate centre right party's in the whole EU.

Yes they want to curb immigration, not abolish it as some would like to say, but what is wrong with that? Quite often on here I see the same people who in one breath complain about the nasty Tories cutting this and cutting that, then bemoaning the state of the NHS. education, housing and so on. Then in the next breath advocating that Britain's open door immigration policy is the way forward. Well guess what? you can't have it both ways.

Many people are so busy looking for Nazi's and Fascist's here there and everywhere they cannot see what is staring them in the face. The real Fascist dictatorship is the EU commission. They are elected by no-one have the power (which they have used on many occasions) to replace elected governments and cancel referendum results. They have renamed democracy as "populism" and have even set a budget of over 2 million Euro's of taxpayers money to try to rubbish any anti EU (AKA them) or Eurosceptic _iews in the run up to the election. Could you imagine the uproar if the British civil service plucked a couple of million quid from the public purse to influence people to vote Labour, Tory, or Lib Dem?

These people have to be stopped before Europe descends into something Hitler or Stalin would have been proud of.

So I would encourage everybody to vote for UKIP at every opportunity before the one party superstate takes away your choice altogether.

EU delende est.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

If they do then this country will be fucked with more red tape than ever and a europe that will not trade with us and a currency that will be worthless

What is there manifesto ???? oh yep stop imigration .wow that is really going to boost the economy . please look at there list of prospect MPS list and read there _iews on things such as gay marriage . This guy is a tory who drinks beer thats all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"I dont really understand politics and the elections so am being brave and posting , as im sure all u politicians will rip me apart, but from a simple tax paying citizen point of _iew. I believe that yes immigration does work but what we need to stop is the immigrants that are coming ova for an easy life and purely for our benefit system . The answer I believe in my niavety is that u can come over here but have to prove how you will support yourself and your family with out using our benefit system . And benefits are not available for immigrants unless they have worked and contribited through taxes. I think also that even our own citizens should not be allowed to abuse the benefit system as a small minority do .. some people believe benefits are a right and an entitlment and they are not. They are a helping hand in a time of need not a lifestyle choice . Well these are my opinions please dont be too harsh I am not a politician jist a swinger lol x "

While I fully understand and sympathise with what you say you need to understand that firstly we are members of the EU and other members of the EU have a right to come here and claim benefits just as we have the right to go anywhere in the EU and claim benefits.

Also and this even more important at the moment we have a government who has increased the number of fraud investigators (and more on the way) in the DWP to 3000 to chase a claimed £3.5 billion and is aggressively targeting and demonising all who require state support (except pensioners). While at the same time there are only 300 fraud investigators in HMCR chasing £4.3 Billion Corporation tax, £35 billion income tax and £3.3 billion VAT!

Now maybe I am wrong headed but I find it disturbing when I see the average working Jill and Jo and their government targeting the most vulnerable of stealing crumbs while ignoring the powerful who are stripping the country of its wealth. Or maybe 300 to chase £42.7 billion a year and 3000 to chase £3.5 billion is the way to go and come the next election we need another 5 years of the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work"

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system??

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Your first line speaks volumes..

so just to clarify someone was in the sas in Norway in 1940 then served with the sas in 1956 in Suez..?

think you may want to refresh your knowledge of ww2 and post sas ops fella..

Quite right the SAS didn't even exist at the time of the Narvik raid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? "
yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's "

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not a chance, but as a nation we seem to be lurching scarily to the right - Cameron appears to be using the UKIP support to indulge some rather unpleasant policies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

"
my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp"

But you hate people coming to this country. Honestly I really hope you never have to flee this country for fear of persecution. We don't know we are born over here!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

But you hate people coming to this country. Honestly I really hope you never have to flee this country for fear of persecution. We don't know we are born over here!!!!!"
where did we say we hate people coming here? Read before u have a go, I hate people scrounging and don't work who ever they are and if u ent working include urself it that. If u don't like it tuff it's called freedom of speech and we don't like scrounge rs

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I bloody well hope so . purely an opinion pole.are the surveys right will it be the biggest shock in british history .

If they do then this country will be fucked with more red tape than ever and a europe that will not trade with us and a currency that will be worthless

A Europe that wont trade with us? Nonsense. Even with Britain outside the EU do you think for one minute that German car manufacturers, French wine producers, Spanish and Dutch fruit and vegetable growers, Polish kitchen makers, and all the rest will stand by and watch one of their biggest markets disappear over the horizon? Not likely, they will be beating Britain's door down for a new trade deal.

There is much more in the manifesto if you care to read it.

As for the members. Of course UKIP has a few colonel blimps and assorted fruitcakes but I think you will find just as many if you scratch the surface of any political party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It isn't racist just to question immigration. Lots of the suggestions are perfectly sensible. I'm broadly in favour of welcoming people either for humanitarian reasons or where they help society - but there's obvious sense in keeping a careful eye on the numbers and how people contribute etc.

The hysterical accusations of racism don't help in any way.

None of which changes the fact that UKIP will achieve nothing other than strengthening the position of the Labour party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It isn't racist just to question immigration. Lots of the suggestions are perfectly sensible. I'm broadly in favour of welcoming people either for humanitarian reasons or where they help society - but there's obvious sense in keeping a careful eye on the numbers and how people contribute etc.

The hysterical accusations of racism don't help in any way.

None of which changes the fact that UKIP will achieve nothing other than strengthening the position of the Labour party."
we agree with you but if your life is in danger you don't need to travel throug Europe to get to England

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

ukip are supposed to be anti European so why do they take there place in the European Parliament ???? They do not attend or take part in debates so they are defrauding the electorate that voted to get them there !!! and they still pick up the big wage for doing nothing !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The hysterical accusations of racism don't help in any way.

None of which changes the fact that UKIP will achieve nothing other than strengthening the position of the Labour party. we agree with you but if your life is in danger you don't need to travel throug Europe to get to England "

huh?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

But you hate people coming to this country. Honestly I really hope you never have to flee this country for fear of persecution. We don't know we are born over here!!!!! where did we say we hate people coming here? Read before u have a go, I hate people scrounging and don't work who ever they are and if u ent working include urself it that. If u don't like it tuff it's called freedom of speech and we don't like scrounge rs

Oh believe me I'm not a scrounger, I'm self employed so don't start trying to get offensive. I've read your posts and have the distinct impression you dislike people who come to this country.... I actually haven't mentioned racism at all, so don't read things that aren't there.

As for myself, I dislike people who are prejudiced towards others based upon their country of origin."
you read a word that you said we used I.e hate and like I said we have a family from all over and most of them came here 50 years ago difference is they came here to work and live here to their last days , people who come here now send their money back home with out paying taxes on that money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

Perhaps you could define what you consider a scrounger to be. I know plenty of hard working people who need their salaries supplementing with benefits (tax credits, child tax credits and housing benefit for example), does that make them scroungers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

Firstly, I work....bloody hard and pay my taxes.

Secondly, I don't like it and its called a debate so I am perfectly within my rights to disagree with you.

Thirdly, your posts yesterday gave a distinct lack of tolerance for those coming here from other countries.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

Firstly, I work....bloody hard and pay my taxes.

Secondly, I don't like it and its called a debate so I am perfectly within my rights to disagree with you.

Thirdly, your posts yesterday gave a distinct lack of tolerance for those coming here from other countries."
gee whiz not on about ur taxes and mine yes we pay are taxes I'm on about the Romanian gypsy for example they come to get work and send it back home to build houses that money they have earned in this country has gone back not paying a penny in taxes

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"ukip are supposed to be anti European so why do they take there place in the European Parliament ???? They do not attend or take part in debates so they are defrauding the electorate that voted to get them there !!! and they still pick up the big wage for doing nothing !!! "

Never heard of a fifth column then.

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By *exxifun5Couple over a year ago

NORWICH

years of the same.

This is why im not a politician as every issue leads to another. And yes I do agree with you ... but for mr and mrs working and dont have the knowledge of politics ... we just see the things that affect us and as workers we see we are contributing to the government and we are struggling and the media are throwing the benefit issue in our face and its stoking anger.the average person on the street does not look at the bigger picture , but at what they can see in front of them.... mayb more education is needed x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

Firstly, I work....bloody hard and pay my taxes.

Secondly, I don't like it and its called a debate so I am perfectly within my rights to disagree with you.

Thirdly, your posts yesterday gave a distinct lack of tolerance for those coming here from other countries. gee whiz not on about ur taxes and mine yes we pay are taxes I'm on about the Romanian gypsy for example they come to get work and send it back home to build houses that money they have earned in this country has gone back not paying a penny in taxes"

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"While I fully understand and sympathise with what you say you need to understand that firstly we are members of the EU and other members of the EU have a right to come here and claim benefits just as we have the right to go anywhere in the EU and claim benefits.

years of the same.

Its nice to see someone has actually taken the time to read and consider what I have said.

The real shame is that even when given the figures (all lifted from government websites) that the majority posting here are still harping on and being outraged about little people maybe stealing scraps if they get the chance. Rather than getting upset about the real crime which is our government and civil servants colluding with big business to asset strip the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope they do!!! Surprising how many people trash them when they just say what we're all thinking!! Typical brits!!!

They've never said a thing that I was thinking and I doubt they ever will.

Kills me, people that harp on about us defeating the Nazis, then go and vote for a party that espouses a watered down version of their policies!"

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

".....we used to have the biggest balls in the world .we won two world wars so we could live a decent life we beat the nazis ffs .and all for this "

And still you don't see the irony in voting UKIP, who are idealogically Fascists, in the truest sense of the word.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair liberals have been winning locals for years and not getting anyhwhere and I doubt UKIP will get any real power. Farrage is a smart dude though, he holds together a party that could easily fall apart with it's independant radical _iews. they didnt get far? there in the bloody coalition .i predict a ukip conservative coalition perhaps with more votes for ukip.strange things happen .liz is still in big brother .dappy has alledgedly got a.bigger cock than me its a crazy country we live in "

It's taken them a gazillion years to get there, and you'd be mad to think any one of the mainparties is going to invite UKIP into a coallition!!!!!

Lib Dems were defacto coallition cos Tories and labour would work together, but any winning party is going to pick ib Dems over UKIP! Dear lord man.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"To be fair liberals have been winning locals for years and not getting anyhwhere and I doubt UKIP will get any real power. Farrage is a smart dude though, he holds together a party that could easily fall apart with it's independant radical _iews. they didnt get far? there in the bloody coalition .i predict a ukip conservative coalition perhaps with more votes for ukip.strange things happen .liz is still in big brother .dappy has alledgedly got a.bigger cock than me its a crazy country we live in

It's taken them a gazillion years to get there, and you'd be mad to think any one of the mainparties is going to invite UKIP into a coallition!!!!!

Lib Dems were defacto coallition cos Tories and labour would work together, but any winning party is going to pick ib Dems over UKIP! Dear lord man."

The way the Lib Dems are imploding, they may not br around come May 2015.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair liberals have been winning locals for years and not getting anyhwhere and I doubt UKIP will get any real power. Farrage is a smart dude though, he holds together a party that could easily fall apart with it's independant radical _iews. they didnt get far? there in the bloody coalition .i predict a ukip conservative coalition perhaps with more votes for ukip.strange things happen .liz is still in big brother .dappy has alledgedly got a.bigger cock than me its a crazy country we live in

It's taken them a gazillion years to get there, and you'd be mad to think any one of the mainparties is going to invite UKIP into a coallition!!!!!

Lib Dems were defacto coallition cos Tories and labour would work together, but any winning party is going to pick ib Dems over UKIP! Dear lord man.

The way the Lib Dems are imploding, they may not br around come May 2015."

Big political parties implode all the time lol They are in the spotlight in a different way now so it's gonna happen, they'll be fine. if they lose money their donors will cover it. I'm dissapointed with the way they have handled this latest business though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can anyone really differenciate between any of the main partys . I think people are just fed up with all the bullshit ,lies and dishonesty that politicians spout on a daily basis.

Things need to change in the UK its been too soft for too long and I don't just mean on immigration , theres too many scroungers and free loaders of native elk being white ,black or Asian.

Ill be watching with interest the other parties back tracking on policies if they think that they will be loosing out to UKIP.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why is it just because people want their country not to be used like a shit ole and stop people coming here to scrounge they are called racsist ? My family is like the United Nations but we all work

What about the people who are born here and scrounge off the system?? yep like benifits street I agree we don't wanna add people like them from other country's

Oh for crying out loud! There is no talking to some people. Please make sure when you go to A&E or your GP to ask for only indigenous staff to treat you!

my uncle is form Jamaican and he is a gp

Firstly, I work....bloody hard and pay my taxes.

Secondly, I don't like it and its called a debate so I am perfectly within my rights to disagree with you.

If they come here to work legally and have gainful employment then their tax and national insurance contributions are automatically deducted from their wages. Therefore they pay tax, what they do with the rest of their money is their business but I'd hazard a guess that a good percentage of it stays here as they need to pay for things like shopping, heating, water, tv, rent etc. Sending some 'home' is no different to you or I donating a couple of quid to Oxfam each month."
firstly alot of economic migrants are self employed claiming most of their tax back, secondly I would rather have an english gp who I can understand and get to see, we shud invest in our kids education and training for our countries future. Dump the EU and leave the world to sort its own crap out, let's stop being british and tough it out and become great british again. If ukip agree with that they get my vote

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"firstly alot of economic migrants are self employed claiming most of their tax back, secondly I would rather have an english gp who I can understand and get to see, we shud invest in our kids education and training for our countries future. Dump the EU and leave the world to sort its own crap out, let's stop being british and tough it out and become great british again. If ukip agree with that they get my vote"

and pretty much why they don't get mine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr farage did go down in my ratings tho when he told jeremy vine he didn't say our country was to full

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Your first line speaks volumes..

so just to clarify someone was in the sas in Norway in 1940 then served with the sas in 1956 in Suez..?

think you may want to refresh your knowledge of ww2 and post sas ops fella..

The guy probably was the cook!

not in a unit that did'nt exist till 1941..

Walt springs to mind..

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

If you listen very carefully, you can hear Land of Hope and Glory being hummed in the background.

BTW. I take it everyone knows Mrs Farage is German?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

and pretty much why they don't get mine"

ditto..

just when did whatever and however someone chooses to spend their wages have to do with anyone but the actual individual..

probably a drop in the ocean compared to the billions in unpaid tax each year..

on the investment etc then yes but we cant 'dump' the world, we may have to borrow an aircraft carrier from someone..

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

".....

And still you don't see the irony in voting UKIP, who are idealogically Fascists, in the truest sense of the word. "

I would love to see where you get that one from. Other than from your own imagination.

BTW it's spelt Ideologically.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you listen very carefully, you can hear Land of Hope and Glory being hummed in the background.

BTW. I take it everyone knows Mrs Farage is German?"

Is he related to the Queen?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If you listen very carefully, you can hear Land of Hope and Glory being hummed in the background.

BTW. I take it everyone knows Mrs Farage is German?"

schiesse..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Can anyone really differenciate between any of the main partys . I think people are just fed up with all the bullshit ,lies and dishonesty that politicians spout on a daily basis.

Things need to change in the UK its been too soft for too long and I don't just mean on immigration , theres too many scroungers and free loaders of native elk being white ,black or Asian.

Ill be watching with interest the other parties back tracking on policies if they think that they will be loosing out to UKIP."

UKIP will shake things up nicely. I was unlucky enough to be paris a few years back when the nationalists looked like they were going to get into power and the riots kicked off. It made people really think about politics again and I hope UKIP have that effect here.

I still think Lib Dems are very different from the other parties and I am no tory by ANY means, but I'm not unhappy with the coallition either.

As for too many scroungers... I kinda think the coallition are gtting to grips with the benefits system, but it would be suicide to make all the changes at once.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Can anyone really differenciate between any of the main partys . I think people are just fed up with all the bullshit ,lies and dishonesty that politicians spout on a daily basis.

Things need to change in the UK its been too soft for too long and I don't just mean on immigration , theres too many scroungers and free loaders of native elk being white ,black or Asian.

Ill be watching with interest the other parties back tracking on policies if they think that they will be loosing out to UKIP.

I still think Lib Dems are very different from the other parties and I am no tory by ANY means, but I'm not unhappy with the coallition either.

As for too many scroungers... I kinda think the coallition are gtting to grips with the benefits system, but it would be suicide to make all the changes at once."

I kind of agree. Except that I can't see how anybody can ever trust the LibDems again.

And although the benefits system definitely needed shaking up I wouldn't wish for another 5 years of this or a Tory Government.

But a political shake up is all good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Can anyone really differenciate between any of the main partys . I think people are just fed up with all the bullshit ,lies and dishonesty that politicians spout on a daily basis.

Things need to change in the UK its been too soft for too long and I don't just mean on immigration , theres too many scroungers and free loaders of native elk being white ,black or Asian.

Ill be watching with interest the other parties back tracking on policies if they think that they will be loosing out to UKIP.

I still think Lib Dems are very different from the other parties and I am no tory by ANY means, but I'm not unhappy with the coallition either.

As for too many scroungers... I kinda think the coallition are gtting to grips with the benefits system, but it would be suicide to make all the changes at once.

I kind of agree. Except that I can't see how anybody can ever trust the LibDems again.

And although the benefits system definitely needed shaking up I wouldn't wish for another 5 years of this or a Tory Government.

But a political shake up is all good."

What has made you distrust them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not a bloody chance just one ill thought out policy.

Put simply for those with ukip blinkers lets for one moment say we stop all immigration then other nations would follow suit so folk abd businesses would be affected people could not emigrate. Businesses would up sticks as like of nissan have already said.

Yes immigration is a problem but realistic policies are either already in play or on the agenda.

We live in a global market not just european and folk need to actually think for themselves more.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

".....

And still you don't see the irony in voting UKIP, who are idealogically Fascists, in the truest sense of the word.

I would love to see where you get that one from. Other than from your own imagination.

BTW it's spelt Ideologically."

Because, aside from the fact that the EU wasn't around in the late '30s - they are remarkably similar. Isolationist, millitaristic preservers of the status quo (note that I said 'Fascist' and not 'Nazi'). A central tenet of their ideology is harking back to a 'golden age' that didn't quite exist (see: Mussolini and the Roman Empire). Once you look past the 'single issue' of leaving the EU (because they are not a 'single issue' party, unless you truly believe they will disband once we are out of Europe and would concentrate on nothing else of they were in power), you will begin to see the similarities. Admittedly, there is less of the overt 'uniform wearing' of early 20th century far-right groups, but that would be a PR fail even UKIP are too stupid to make.

"Fascist" is probably the best-fit word to describe the ideology of the party.

We could have a debate as to whether fascism is a true ideology, being, as it is a mish-mash of far right ideas tailored to suit a particular country (because of the isolationist nature of fascism), but assuming it is, the boot very much fits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not a bloody chance just one ill thought out policy.

Yes immigration is a problem but realistic policies are either already in play or on the agenda.

We live in a global market not just european and folk need to actually think for themselves more."

Thing is, if it weren't for immigration and us being able to pay some cheap wages, inflation would be through the roof! I'd like to see what happens when everything costs even more in this country because the businesses need to recoup their wage costs!

Immigration is a cheap excuse peddled by trashy rags such as the great torch bearer of institutionalised racism, the daily mail. The morale high ground that happens to have the right hand news bar of trash on the same page whilst slagging off the fact that a celebrity has gained weight.

A friend of mine is a teacher and she's told me some absolute horror stories about kids who are 2nd or 3rd gen british getting terrible abuse at school due to being "immigrants" and apparently it's getting worse.

To be quite honest with you, I can't wait to leave this country and head out to Europe.

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By *awkeye and HotlipsCouple over a year ago

Takeley

" Can anyone really differenciate between any of the main partys . I think people are just fed up with all the bullshit ,lies and dishonesty that politicians spout on a daily basis.

Things need to change in the UK its been too soft for too long and I don't just mean on immigration , theres too many scroungers and free loaders of native elk being white ,black or Asian.

Ill be watching with interest the other parties back tracking on policies if they think that they will be loosing out to UKIP."
The point is, that all the major parties will never make a stand to upset the voters......they lose their jobs and the money that goes with it. Labour are too afraid to go back to being "old labour", the tories are too afraid to going back to "Thatcherism", whilst the Lib Dems don't know where they are. All parties are so afraid of upsetting the electorate that they will never take a stance on a particular subject, such as immigration, benefits, they don't want to have a poll tax, miners strike label like Thatcher did. They won't admit it, but the big cat tax evaders/avoiders hold huge sway for both parties, that it will be dusted under the carpet. Stand up to the EU? Cameron has to a point. However, not enough....and remember that the next time the French have a labour issue or a political issue, it's our exports that suffer. Beef ban? The French paid the fine ( far less ) than the loss of exports, long after it was lifted on our beef. The EU never stands up for the United Kingdom : ask our fishermen, or the next time you drive on a Spanish toll motorway, paid by us, or our haulage companies who are taxed out of business, whilst EU and non EU trucks tear up our road, whilst not contributing. It's an English malaise ( pardon the Frenchism1 ), not objecting. We are too afraid of what might happen, not to put our cross in the red or blue box. Those of us who at the last fuel protest, that were a day from completing the job, were more concerned about not having a car to go shopping than sticking to their principles and seeing it through. We get the politicians and policies, we deserve. Rant over!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Can anyone really differenciate between any of the main partys . I think people are just fed up with all the bullshit ,lies and dishonesty that politicians spout on a daily basis.

Things need to change in the UK its been too soft for too long and I don't just mean on immigration , theres too many scroungers and free loaders of native elk being white ,black or Asian.

Ill be watching with interest the other parties back tracking on policies if they think that they will be loosing out to UKIP.

I still think Lib Dems are very different from the other parties and I am no tory by ANY means, but I'm not unhappy with the coallition either.

As for too many scroungers... I kinda think the coallition are gtting to grips with the benefits system, but it would be suicide to make all the changes at once.

I kind of agree. Except that I can't see how anybody can ever trust the LibDems again.

And although the benefits system definitely needed shaking up I wouldn't wish for another 5 years of this or a Tory Government.

But a political shake up is all good."

The Tories had some really tough choices to make when they came to power, Labour had sunk us into a massive hole. I'm fairly sure they knew that their decisions wouldn't be popular and possibly cost them the next general election (probably why they're keeping the EU referendum in their back pocket until afterwards), but they made them-for better or worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Can anyone really differenciate between any of the main partys . I think people are just fed up with all the bullshit ,lies and dishonesty that politicians spout on a daily basis.

Things need to change in the UK its been too soft for too long and I don't just mean on immigration , theres too many scroungers and free loaders of native elk being white ,black or Asian.

Ill be watching with interest the other parties back tracking on policies if they think that they will be loosing out to UKIP. The point is, that all the major parties will never make a stand to upset the voters......they lose their jobs and the money that goes with it. Labour are too afraid to go back to being "old labour", the tories are too afraid to going back to "Thatcherism", whilst the Lib Dems don't know where they are. All parties are so afraid of upsetting the electorate that they will never take a stance on a particular subject, such as immigration, benefits, they don't want to have a poll tax, miners strike label like Thatcher did. They won't admit it, but the big cat tax evaders/avoiders hold huge sway for both parties, that it will be dusted under the carpet. Stand up to the EU? Cameron has to a point. However, not enough....and remember that the next time the French have a labour issue or a political issue, it's our exports that suffer. Beef ban? The French paid the fine ( far less ) than the loss of exports, long after it was lifted on our beef. The EU never stands up for the United Kingdom : ask our fishermen, or the next time you drive on a Spanish toll motorway, paid by us, or our haulage companies who are taxed out of business, whilst EU and non EU trucks tear up our road, whilst not contributing. It's an English malaise ( pardon the Frenchism1 ), not objecting. We are too afraid of what might happen, not to put our cross in the red or blue box. Those of us who at the last fuel protest, that were a day from completing the job, were more concerned about not having a car to go shopping than sticking to their principles and seeing it through. We get the politicians and policies, we deserve. Rant over! "

Labour have in part gone back to Old Labour and Lib Dems know very well where they are, people just don't like the fact they are being "Pushovers".

But start playing chicken between the tories and lib dems over policy and see if the economy recovers then as the markets fear that the coalition won't hold and everything drops due to uncertainty. Market uncertainty = less investment = higher debt interest rates = lower credit rating = more debt = less jobs = ever decreasing circle.

If the Libs actually started behaving how people think they should, this country would implode within months.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What has made you distrust them?"

Shall we start with tuition fees?

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

and pretty much why they don't get mine

ditto..

just when did whatever and however someone chooses to spend their wages have to do with anyone but the actual individual..

probably a drop in the ocean compared to the billions in unpaid tax each year..

on the investment etc then yes but we cant 'dump' the world, we may have to borrow an aircraft carrier from someone..

This "unpaid tax by big business" theme seems to be repeating itself quite a lot on here, as if the UK government can do anything about it.

It is pretty much the price of globalisation. All company's pay their corporation tax in the country of registration, be it Luxembourg, Gibraltar or wherever. Day to day trading taxes such as VAT income tax on employees wages, business rates on premises Etc. are paid in the country where they trade. It isn't possible for the UK government to force non UK company's to pay corporation tax in Britain just because they trade there. It would be a legislative nightmare to even try to.

Yes there are some well documented abuses and loopholes, but even they can't be closed without EU wide approval and the renegotiation of almost every world trade deal ever signed.

Even Gordon Brown and the last government knew this and that is why the so called "sweetheart deals" with the tax man were negotiated, which through nothing more than embarrassment forced some big players to at least pay some of their taxes in the UK.

The left can ramp up the rhetoric as much as they like with comments such as the Tory boys looking after their mates and all that. The bottom line however is that Milliband and Co. wouldn't be able to do much else.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Not a chance in hell of winning, though a chance in hell, as they seem an unscrupulous sinister bunch of swivel eyed loons. They are shallow, superficial scope for government, as a one trick pony. Bigots, no thanks!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What has made you distrust them?

Shall we start with tuition fees?"

If you want, but I just wonder why people expect the lib dems to hold out on everything. they didn't win the elction. They are a minor power. On top of that, like I said above, they cannot play chicken over policy during an economic crash when markets need solidarity.

it's just completely ridiculous that people even think like that. We'd be in the gutter still if we'd played that game.

The libs may have not held out on tuition fees, but we did get a massive 2.5k hike on tax free earnings amongst other things. They were never going to have their cake and eat it. Give and take.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Tories had some really tough choices to make when they came to power, Labour had sunk us into a massive hole. I'm fairly sure they knew that their decisions wouldn't be popular and possibly cost them the next general election (probably why they're keeping the EU referendum in their back pocket until afterwards), but they made them-for better or worse."

I know - tough choices, but we're all in together. Big society, blah de blah de bollocks.

At least after the next election they won't be able to keep on using the 'it's all their fault' argument which has been boring and unhelpful for a very long time.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not a chance in hell of winning, though a chance in hell, as they seem an unscrupulous sinister bunch of swivel eyed loons. They are shallow, superficial scope for government, as a one trick pony. Bigots, no thanks!"

So long as they cost the Tories votes, I'll buy Farage a pint. Him in his local and me in mine.

Several hundred miles apart!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What has made you distrust them?

Shall we start with tuition fees?

it's just completely ridiculous that people even think like that. We'd be in the gutter still if we'd played that game.

The libs may have not held out on tuition fees, but we did get a massive 2.5k hike on tax free earnings amongst other things. They were never going to have their cake and eat it. Give and take."

I think you miss the point that many people voted for them on the basis that they didn't want to vote for Labour - but would NEVER in their worst nightmares vote for the Tories.

So for the snivelly smug twat in charge of them to broker a deal with the Tories is a pretty bad thing. Pretty bad indeed.

If they change the election process for people to be able to vote for a coalition I could accept that. But not this government which has no validity outside of Cameron & Clegg's door.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So long as they cost the Tories votes, I'll buy Farage a pint. Him in his local and me in mine.

Several hundred miles apart!"

I'll join that round.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"What has made you distrust them?

Shall we start with tuition fees?

it's just completely ridiculous that people even think like that. We'd be in the gutter still if we'd played that game.

The libs may have not held out on tuition fees, but we did get a massive 2.5k hike on tax free earnings amongst other things. They were never going to have their cake and eat it. Give and take.

I think you miss the point that many people voted for them on the basis that they didn't want to vote for Labour - but would NEVER in their worst nightmares vote for the Tories.

So for the snivelly smug twat in charge of them to broker a deal with the Tories is a pretty bad thing. Pretty bad indeed.

If they change the election process for people to be able to vote for a coalition I could accept that. But not this government which has no validity outside of Cameron & Clegg's door."

Clegg couldn't resist the scent of Jaguar leather.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

And there was me thinking that it was a global economic crisis caused by US banks defrauding the rest of the worlds banks and that up till 2010 we had survived quite well compared to nearly every other industrial nation. And that in our usual way we allowed the right wing tories (who get their money from bankers and the like) to blame it all on the loony left. Of course we now have more people in work (but our total output is down from 2010) because we have lost full time jobs and replaced them with part time and 0 hours jobs. So lets have more of the same. After all Dave and co are telling us how much good they are doing...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Huh?

It has vailidity in law and statute?!

And people have been well aware of the election process. if you care to cast your mind back, the Lib Dems, prior to the election, made a massive thing about how we need to change the method in which we vote for the parties.... solving exactly the issue you talk about.

The public overwhelmingly voted against it... Proportional representation and first past the post?

Short memories.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Survived quite well? So it wasn't the Labour government that had to bail out Northern Rock, HBOS and RBS then. Maybe I dreamt it. NOT.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So do you feel that Labour responded correctly at the beginning of the financial collapse? Was their "spend our way out of recession" attitude the correct one?

I suppose we could argue that neither approach has been given enough time to accurately assess the results.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Huh?

It has vailidity in law and statute?!

The public overwhelmingly voted against it... Proportional representation and first past the post?

Short memories."

There's nothing wrong with my memory.

Nowhere on any ballot paper was there an option for a coalition of any kind.

I doubt you would have found anybody in the country that would have remotely considered the possibility of a LibDem coalition with the Tory party - except perhaps for team "Clegg's Ego'.

Harp on about legal process all you like - it won't change that not a single person in this country voted for this current government.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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but 0 hrs and part time jobs are funded by the tax payer in the form of tax credits

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Survived quite well? So it wasn't the Labour government that had to bail out Northern Rock, HBOS and RBS then. Maybe I dreamt it. NOT."

they had to do so, as would have any Government in power at that time..

the repercussions both for society and the financial system were pretty dire, not to mention the future prospects of a political party letting those banks go under..

on your point above, yes make you broadly right with the TNC's etc but its the 'friends' and family in the establishment that this lot have also turned a blind eye to whilst hitting some of the most vulnerable in society..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Huh?

It has vailidity in law and statute?!

The public overwhelmingly voted against it... Proportional representation and first past the post?

Short memories.

There's nothing wrong with my memory.

Nowhere on any ballot paper was there an option for a coalition of any kind.

I doubt you would have found anybody in the country that would have remotely considered the possibility of a LibDem coalition with the Tory party - except perhaps for team "Clegg's Ego'.

Harp on about legal process all you like - it won't change that not a single person in this country voted for this current government."

But they had the opportunity, prior to the election to prevent coallitions and the country said no to it.

It was a NATIONAL REFERENDUM in 2011 to which the UK said overwhelmingly NO THANKS, there can't be any complaints!

It's like asking for porridge for breakfast and then crying because you don't like porridge.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Another myth that needs exploding is that immigrants who work and pay tax contribute to public finances.

If Britain had a balanced budget where taxation and expenditure were equal, there would be some merit in that argument. The budget however runs at a rather large deficit (around 170 billion a year last time I looked) meaning that workers especially at the lower end of of the wage scale actually take more out of the system than they put in.

While that has always been the case to a certain extent, and so much can be absorbed, but it cannot be a bootom less pit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But they had the opportunity, prior to the election to prevent coallitions and the country said no to it.

It was a NATIONAL REFERENDUM in 2011 to which the UK said overwhelmingly NO THANKS, there can't be any complaints!

It's like asking for porridge for breakfast and then crying because you don't like porridge."

You might need to rethink that analogy.

It's dumb.

I will enjoy seeing them utterly shafted at the next election.

On the flip side the LibDems were in a very strong position going in to to the last election and yet disappointed. Which makes the idea of a UKIP victory even more ridiculous.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Survived quite well? So it wasn't the Labour government that had to bail out Northern Rock, HBOS and RBS then. Maybe I dreamt it. NOT.

they had to do so, as would have any Government in power at that time..

the repercussions both for society and the financial system were pretty dire, not to mention the future prospects of a political party letting those banks go under..

Of course Labour had to do so. The point I was making was that the problems started long before 2010.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

Funniest thread ever!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Funniest thread ever! "

It was supposed to be in the stories & fantasies section.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But they had the opportunity, prior to the election to prevent coallitions and the country said no to it.

It was a NATIONAL REFERENDUM in 2011 to which the UK said overwhelmingly NO THANKS, there can't be any complaints!

It's like asking for porridge for breakfast and then crying because you don't like porridge.

You might need to rethink that analogy.

It's dumb.

I will enjoy seeing them utterly shafted at the next election.

On the flip side the LibDems were in a very strong position going in to to the last election and yet disappointed. Which makes the idea of a UKIP victory even more ridiculous."

Wonderful ability to insult, but try qualifying it.

Why is it dumb?

I imagine they will be shafted. I won't vote for them, but they've done a damn good job and it's about time some of the political naivete was removed from some people and they get some thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It wasn't intended as a personal insult - just a fact that it was a dumb analogy that makes no sense. And indeed it doesn't.

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