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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A Telford couple have been fined £993 for taking their children out of school during term time for a family holiday? What do you think?
Is this ok considering it's clearly illegal?
Do you have any sympathy for this family ???  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The prices of holidays during term time are so much cheaper, with the financial crisis thats going on i can understand why some people do it.
During my entire childhood i never went on a holiday abroad.. i didn't know any different i guess but it would have been an experience id have loved to have. |
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I have the upmost sympathy for them. Parents ultimately are accountable for a child's success or failure so on their head be it.
Also, have you seen the premium trawl companies charge during the weeks kids are off school? It's out and out robbery. It can literally cost an extra £1k per person during holidays compared to term time. |
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"The prices of holidays during term time are so much cheaper, with the financial crisis thats going on i can understand why some people do it.
During my entire childhood i never went on a holiday abroad.. i didn't know any different i guess but it would have been an experience id have loved to have. "
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I think this is punishing the masses for the action of the few.
I don't have kids but I think it's ridiculous that having a blanket fine system is ridiculous. Most parents know how important a child's education is and so would minimise and time out of School and would ensure that if they did take them out it wouldn't impact on any exams or assessments etc.
Parents are damned if they do damned if they don't with regards to holidays. Take them out even just a day early and you are fined or go in holiday time and they are whacked with extortionate holiday costs.
There may be some that say education is more important than a holiday but going on holiday is educational. Learning about other cultures etc. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We was lucky when young as my dad worked in a car company and most industry at the time all closed for two weeks around the same time. Everyone always went away the same time. Parents dont have that choice now and then cant afford the hyped up prices. so i do sympathise |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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as adults that work we can pick and choose when we take our holidays..
agree that 6 weeks over the summer for the kids is a great idea (no one, especially kids wants to be stuck inside in a uniform when its hot,sweaty and be expected to learn)
but what about doing away with some of the other terms and being given a 2 week period to take when wanted.
im presuming teachers know the cirriculum and plan in advanced so surely school work can be given in advanced.. or be expected to be caught up with? Like Evie said, im also hoping parents with common sense wouldnt take children out of school during exam times |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"A Telford couple have been fined £993 for taking their children out of school during term time for a family holiday? What do you think?
Is this ok considering it's clearly illegal?
Do you have any sympathy for this family ??? "
None whatsoever. Travel companies etc only get away with outrageous premiums during school hols (or the World Cup etc) cos people are stupid enough to pay it.
A year of little/ no business will sort things out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't agree with having to pay more during the school holidays, I have children, but even without children I will always have to pay the higher prices for holidays as other half is a teacher. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think its stupid. I've not taken my kids on holiday for fear of these fines but got no chance of more than a 4night break away during summer holidays at the prices. And if I go abroad.. I'd have to pay for two rooms for most places.
I think it's stupid. It's not like they would actually miss much. And the time with the family would be good for them.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I think its stupid. I've not taken my kids on holiday for fear of these fines but got no chance of more than a 4night break away during summer holidays at the prices. And if I go abroad.. I'd have to pay for two rooms for most places.
I think it's stupid. It's not like they would actually miss much. And the time with the family would be good for them.
Cali"
I suppose it comes down to how much you value your child's education. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I took both my kids out of school rather than let the holiday companies rip me off.
Both my kids have done well at school so it hasn't harmed their education in any way whatsoever.
The schools have always been very lenient but if it were a child who was not doing well at school I have no doubt they might take a different view
Going on holiday teaches them life skills such as learning about different countries and cultures |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I suppose it comes down to how much you value your child's education."
i realistically wouldnt take my child out of school for more than a week and could say honestly that i would do everything i could to help catch up with work she had missed.. though to be fair im sure it wouldnt impact majorly on exams |
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"I think its stupid. I've not taken my kids on holiday for fear of these fines but got no chance of more than a 4night break away during summer holidays at the prices. And if I go abroad.. I'd have to pay for two rooms for most places.
I think it's stupid. It's not like they would actually miss much. And the time with the family would be good for them.
Cali
I suppose it comes down to how much you value your child's education."
How much would they miss in a week realistically?? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I think its stupid. I've not taken my kids on holiday for fear of these fines but got no chance of more than a 4night break away during summer holidays at the prices. And if I go abroad.. I'd have to pay for two rooms for most places.
I think it's stupid. It's not like they would actually miss much. And the time with the family would be good for them.
Cali
I suppose it comes down to how much you value your child's education.
How much would they miss in a week realistically??"
How much will they miss the day their teacher goes on strike? It doesn't stop parents bombarding the school with complaints about their child's education suffering. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I think its stupid. I've not taken my kids on holiday for fear of these fines but got no chance of more than a 4night break away during summer holidays at the prices. And if I go abroad.. I'd have to pay for two rooms for most places.
I think it's stupid. It's not like they would actually miss much. And the time with the family would be good for them.
Cali
I suppose it comes down to how much you value your child's education.
How much would they miss in a week realistically??"
Sometimes a lot and sometimes nothing very much. It can affect the other children in the class too, particularly where they are working in pairs or groups and need to work together.
It is truancy and while I find the whole blanket approach difficult I can see how it has happened. It's been a while since I was a school governor (primary and secondary) but the stats to be reported, the performance and achievement of a whole school can be affected by parents saying "it's just a couple of week" when a large proportion of them do it.
As with the fares for holidays, it's the same market forces that affect everything in capitalism.
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"I think its stupid. I've not taken my kids on holiday for fear of these fines but got no chance of more than a 4night break away during summer holidays at the prices. And if I go abroad.. I'd have to pay for two rooms for most places.
I think it's stupid. It's not like they would actually miss much. And the time with the family would be good for them.
Cali
I suppose it comes down to how much you value your child's education.
How much would they miss in a week realistically??
How much will they miss the day their teacher goes on strike? It doesn't stop parents bombarding the school with complaints about their child's education suffering."
That was in reaction to the announced fines for taking children out of school. We'll the letters I read on Facebook were. Other complaints were to do with childcare issues I would imagine.
Was poorly timed struck action in my opinion |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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How much would they miss in a week realistically??
How much will they miss the day their teacher goes on strike? It doesn't stop parents bombarding the school with complaints about their child's education suffering."
That is the one day they would have had all the education they ever need though.
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By (user no longer on site)
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What about experiential learning from spending time in other cultures? And time with family? Are these things not important anymore?
I don't know the details of this particular case so it could be that there were other issues around attendance, but I do think that the system is being abused. The education act was amended to give authorities the power to impose penalties on parents who repeatedly failed to get their children into school. Not to punish parents who can't afford to take their children on holiday out of term time but the rest of their attendance is good. Yet again, the law is being abused to make money. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Absences from schools result in not only the children missing valuable teaching time but it also requires teachers to provide catch up work for children.
We were never taken out of school for holidays as kids - possibly because my parents were teachers.
If I am asked by parents whether or not I advise children to be taken on holiday in term time, I always say no.
It is also disruptive for other pupils in the class, especially if group work is being done at the time. It also can mean the teacher has to spend time in lessons explaining things back to the children who have missed school due to being on holiday. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What about experiential learning from spending time in other cultures? And time with family? Are these things not important anymore?
I don't know the details of this particular case so it could be that there were other issues around attendance, but I do think that the system is being abused. The education act was amended to give authorities the power to impose penalties on parents who repeatedly failed to get their children into school. Not to punish parents who can't afford to take their children on holiday out of term time but the rest of their attendance is good. Yet again, the law is being abused to make money."
Mmmmmmm local authorities have a habit of doing that don't they (bins, parking etc etc) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just another Example of Rip off Britain I'm afraid. Parents want to provide nice things for their children and treats. An those an those that are lucky enough to afford to take them abroad still will be it in or out of term time. But no children shouldn't miss school . But until such times as David Cameron and the government stand up to these holiday firms and stop them from loading the holiday prices ! Then parents will take the chance and take them out of school. So come on Cameron sort it out and the price of fuel ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've just read the BBC news website. It is reported that one of the couples children had "behaviour" and "attendance" problems, so I very much doubt the fine was for the single holiday absence |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"What about experiential learning from spending time in other cultures? And time with family? Are these things not important anymore?
I don't know the details of this particular case so it could be that there were other issues around attendance, but I do think that the system is being abused. The education act was amended to give authorities the power to impose penalties on parents who repeatedly failed to get their children into school. Not to punish parents who can't afford to take their children on holiday out of term time but the rest of their attendance is good. Yet again, the law is being abused to make money."
There is time in the school year to spend family time together. I agree that experiential learning and understanding the benefit of going somewhere new is important.
We were too poor for us to have holidays abroad, or even holidays sometimes. We couldn't afford childcare so my school holidays were spent locked in the flat with my sister. The few holidays we had are important memories but they were relatively cheap and involved visiting family in Barnstaple, Worthing or Wembley (half an hour away from home in London but with the treat of going to wander around Brent Cross shopping centre when it was brand new) and ONE holiday for a few days to a chalet in Clacton.
The poorer children aren't being whipped out of school for holidays and it sends a rather perverse message to say that it is ok for parents who can afford foreign/arranged holidays to be able to get away with it but for parents who struggle to get themselves out of bed and their kids to school should be punished. The children are still missing more or less the same amount of school.
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"I managed to take my son every year till he was 15 in the holidays. What's wrong with holidaying in this country?
the price  "
surely if it was more expensive to holiday in this country you would be taking your daughter abroad and not butlins |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Very strange quote on the beeb...
He told magistrates he decided to take a family holiday because of problems with his eldest daughter, whose behaviour and school attendance had deteriorated.
Also, the initial fine was £360, which was doubled when the family failed to pay within 21 days. They also had to pay costs.
So actually they were fined in line with the laws of this country, they refused to pay the fine and therefore it was doubled.
They got everything they deserve in my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I managed to take my son every year till he was 15 in the holidays. What's wrong with holidaying in this country?
the price surely if it was more expensive to holiday in this country you would be taking your daughter abroad and not butlins "
yeah but im holidaying in term time.. i refuse to pay the summer holiday prices |
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I can understand taking her away if she had issues. Spending time together trying to understand and Work through why wasn't attending etc. Maybe they should have waited until the school excluded her? It's ok for them to miss school then right? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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From what I recall of what I've read on the story, they hadn't realised it was an offence which would be subject to a fine and potentially a jail sentence....they only learnt of this after booking the holiday.
It's the first holiday they'd taken in 5 or so years, and the article indicated that they both work and this was the most convenient time as they could both get leave....
I do feel school is important, and missing lessons will impact learning. Nonetheless, quality family time is also important, and if they are the kind of parents who actively support the learning of their children...well, I don't expect a massive amount of harm has been done...particularly as the kids aren't in Year 11, preparing for exams. |
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school"
I thought this was the reason that things like this were bought in? Long term or persistent absence from education without providing any other form such as home schooling etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school"
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan?  |
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I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Also, I believe at least one of the children was having issues with behaviour at school, and the parents are of the opinion that the time spent away with the family has helped her settle down and her behaviour has noticeably improved.
If true, then worth the fine...though I'm not sure they deserve it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just a thought - to all those saying these parents don't deserve a fine. They broke the law.
Are we now going to say that people who break the law in other ways don't deserve punishments? D*unk drivers, burglars?
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture."
Even without kids. Look at the world wide forum here. It's full of 'we're going to XXXXXXXX, any Brits going to be there?' |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? "
we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school"
Unless you're the home school liaison officer person, you can't possibly know that...and if you are the HSL, either there's more to it, or you're not doing your job properly |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school"
Why would anything be said to you or another other parent? The school may be dealing with it without your knowledge.
It's wrong that his parents have taken him out for that long during term time, just as much as the parents in this story.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can understand taking her away if she had issues. Spending time together trying to understand and Work through why wasn't attending etc. Maybe they should have waited until the school excluded her? It's ok for them to miss school then right? "
So the best way to work through her non attendance issues was to take her out of school ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
Why would anything be said to you or another other parent? The school may be dealing with it without your knowledge.
It's wrong that his parents have taken him out for that long during term time, just as much as the parents in this story.
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because when most parents where turned down they asked why he was allowed, that's how |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No sympathy at all. The kids have never been taken out of school for a holiday, not even for one day. We've been to tons of places and managed fine.
Other kids taken out of school hold the class back because they don't know what's going on and they have to catch up on what they missed.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know"
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country. |
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"I have the upmost sympathy for them. Parents ultimately are accountable for a child's success or failure so on their head be it.
Also, have you seen the premium trawl companies charge during the weeks kids are off school? It's out and out robbery. It can literally cost an extra £1k per person during holidays compared to term time. "
so i guess the fine was less money than the premium charged by the travel company???
makes it a bit of a bargain i suppose |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country."
gee whizz when a child gets a 6 week holiday and the other can't get a 2 week one the head as to say why and that's the answer he gave u wanna no the heads name to ring him? |
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From what i can gather ...
Head teachers are not allowed to permit leave during term time uless there are extreme circumstances.... No way can an ordinary family holiday fall into the class of extreme circumstances. So there's no point in blaming heads or schools.
Law says if you take your kids out expect a fine.
The dad said to the school. We already booked. The school said well ...... we can't grant permission you may be fined.
The family decided to still go.
The fine was £360 doubling in 21 days if not paid.
They refused to pay.
It doubled to £720.
Then costs were added.
Im not so sure I feel sorry for them ... they paid their penny and made their choice.
I might not agree with the law but they KNEW what the law was. So ... pay up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought - to all those saying these parents don't deserve a fine. They broke the law.
Are we now going to say that people who break the law in other ways don't deserve punishments? D*unk drivers, burglars?
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I'm one of those people....and in this instance, if the facts, as presented by the parents are true, though the law is sensible, the punishment is harsh...
Equating parents, concerned about their child's behavioural issues, feeling that going away as a family may help the situation, isn't the same as someone stealing things or risking lives by driving under the influence.
Bear in mind, the parents (apparently) did not realise it was against the law till the holiday was booked. They went anyway, perhaps, because they didn't think it was a serious offence and really wanted a family holiday.
In the end, despite the fine, if it's settled their child down, and they've had a good time bonding...the find may be worth it...especially for the school teachers who had to deal with unsettled child. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country. gee whizz when a child gets a 6 week holiday and the other can't get a 2 week one the head as to say why and that's the answer he gave u wanna no the heads name to ring him?"
What I'm questioning is the fact that you're saying the head has given that reason. They should not comment to other parents about other children's cases.
If the head has given that information out then they are in breach of the Data Protection Act as well as ethical rules which govern schools. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school"
My friend took his family to India for two months in term time. Upon his return the school had allocated his three children's places to other children. He had to find new schools for them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Everyone's missing the point........
If you read the story on the BBC, one of the children had "attendance problems"
So in reality the fine probably had little to do with the holiday. The parents are probably using it as an excuse to make the local authority look bad.
Getting fined for constantly failing to ensure your child attends school doesn't make for good press stories. Getting fined for a holiday does. |
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country. gee whizz when a child gets a 6 week holiday and the other can't get a 2 week one the head as to say why and that's the answer he gave u wanna no the heads name to ring him?
What I'm questioning is the fact that you're saying the head has given that reason. They should not comment to other parents about other children's cases.
If the head has given that information out then they are in breach of the Data Protection Act as well as ethical rules which govern schools. "
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"Everyone's missing the point........
If you read the story on the BBC, one of the children had "attendance problems"
So in reality the fine probably had little to do with the holiday. The parents are probably using it as an excuse to make the local authority look bad.
Getting fined for constantly failing to ensure your child attends school doesn't make for good press stories. Getting fined for a holiday does. "
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was"
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
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Mr Sutherland told the BBC it was his first family holiday for five years because his job as a Ministry of Defence (MoD) guard had prevented him from taking annual leave during the school holidays.
He works 12-hour day and night shifts at MoD Donnington in Telford.
Like someone said above, they took a risk, even after learning of the consequences.... It's there right to challenge the verdict and pay the cost if there is one.
However, if it's helped their daughter, it will ultimately help the school and was thus totally worth it. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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My Dad used to have his days off on a sequential rota This meant he would have two long weekends every seven weeks and would have to take his holiday during those two weeks as well. It also meant that he had to wait several years for his day off to co-incide with Xmas day. The first time it did, he ended up in bed with broncitis!
I`m sure that a good head teacher would treat each case on it`s merits and treat people like my Dad with the respect he deserved. |
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
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doesn't matter now we all no why the lad went away for 6 weeks it's amazing how many weddings there are in the summer holidays in school time works all at our school lol |
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"My Dad used to have his days off on a sequential rota This meant he would have two long weekends every seven weeks and would have to take his holiday during those two weeks as well. It also meant that he had to wait several years for his day off to co-incide with Xmas day. The first time it did, he ended up in bed with broncitis!
I`m sure that a good head teacher would treat each case on it`s merits and treat people like my Dad with the respect he deserved."
That story genuinely made me feel a little sad. |
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country. gee whizz when a child gets a 6 week holiday and the other can't get a 2 week one the head as to say why and that's the answer he gave u wanna no the heads name to ring him?
What I'm questioning is the fact that you're saying the head has given that reason. They should not comment to other parents about other children's cases.
If the head has given that information out then they are in breach of the Data Protection Act as well as ethical rules which govern schools. all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was"
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
doesn't matter now we all no why the lad went away for 6 weeks it's amazing how many weddings there are in the summer holidays in school time works all at our school lol"
As I mentioned earlier, it's unlikely you actually know the real reasons....a blanket 'religious reasons' response seems to be a little flimsy and there probably is more to the story... Had you said, Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage, which has time constraints, that'd be more likely.
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"I think its stupid. I've not taken my kids on holiday for fear of these fines but got no chance of more than a 4night break away during summer holidays at the prices. And if I go abroad.. I'd have to pay for two rooms for most places.
I think it's stupid. It's not like they would actually miss much. And the time with the family would be good for them.
Cali
I suppose it comes down to how much you value your child's education.
How much would they miss in a week realistically??"
I value my kids education a lot... But I also think that family time away from everything is important too.. I can't afford a fine, and I can't afford a holiday during school holidays.. so quite simply my kids get the odd short break here and there.. irony is when my son had issues I was asked to keep him home till they had the staff in place... I had him home for weeks... Yes I was educating him, but seems funny that they weren't worried about him then.
3 of mine have between 98 and 100% attendance.. the other is 85... I've been told to improve it or be fined.... Even though it's all been for medical or other legitimate appointments or concerns... Its utter madness.
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
doesn't matter now we all no why the lad went away for 6 weeks it's amazing how many weddings there are in the summer holidays in school time works all at our school lol
As I mentioned earlier, it's unlikely you actually know the real reasons....a blanket 'religious reasons' response seems to be a little flimsy and there probably is more to the story... Had you said, Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage, which has time constraints, that'd be more likely.
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doesn't matter as I said most parents no the truth and it's his education on the line as this lad struggles to talk English even tho he had been in the school for 3 years and he is ten no the brightest lad goin lol |
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It's a shame! I see why families do it but then the government should step in as the travel companies are taking the mic.
Us teachers can't do it and I'm sure you parents would be first to complain to the school if we took two weeks off for a holiday! Swings and roundabouts! |
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
doesn't matter now we all no why the lad went away for 6 weeks it's amazing how many weddings there are in the summer holidays in school time works all at our school lol
As I mentioned earlier, it's unlikely you actually know the real reasons....a blanket 'religious reasons' response seems to be a little flimsy and there probably is more to the story... Had you said, Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage, which has time constraints, that'd be more likely.
doesn't matter as I said most parents no the truth and it's his education on the line as this lad struggles to talk English even tho he had been in the school for 3 years and he is ten no the brightest lad goin lol"
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Do want we do we go 2 days before the holidays start teachers say nothing in missing 2 days and holidays are cheaper if you go just before schools finish |
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We got charged last year for taking our son on holiday in term time (£100.00)
£50.00 for each parent? Single parent I would have had to pay just £50.00.
Now had it have been a how shall I put it? Critical time for him... Sats... GCSE,s .... A levels... I wouldn't have dreamt of taking him out of school. He is five 
Unfortunately for us to take him in the holidays. It would have cost us about 800 more give or take a few pounds... This was not an option, for us. It was either term time or no holiday.  |
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its immoral and I'm sure someone will take it to a higher court and win...
School take kids on trips all the time
but if a parent does it its a crime ???
Pay for a ski trip to school no probs
take them yourself a fine....
Its bollocks esp when many phone in sick to avoid the fine....
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"its immoral and I'm sure someone will take it to a higher court and win...
School take kids on trips all the time
but if a parent does it its a crime ???
Pay for a ski trip to school no probs
take them yourself a fine....
Its bollocks esp when many phone in sick to avoid the fine....
...Climbs off soap box "
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"its immoral and I'm sure someone will take it to a higher court and win...
School take kids on trips all the time
but if a parent does it its a crime ???
Pay for a ski trip to school no probs
take them yourself a fine....
Its bollocks esp when many phone in sick to avoid the fine....
...Climbs off soap box "
School trips teach other things within the context of a holiday. I found out about tidal rivers, trees, how bays are formed and all sorts of other things through a school trip. I also found out how to rub along with people in shared accommodation for a week, working together in teams, playing with others outside of the playground.
It's not the same thing at all. For some children the school trip might be the only holiday they get. Look at Farms for City Children. It's a school trip but not something a holiday with parents could replicate.
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"We got charged last year for taking our son on holiday in term time (£100.00)
£50.00 for each parent? Single parent I would have had to pay just £50.00.
Now had it have been a how shall I put it? Critical time for him... Sats... GCSE,s .... A levels... I wouldn't have dreamt of taking him out of school. He is five
Unfortunately for us to take him in the holidays. It would have cost us about 800 more give or take a few pounds... This was not an option, for us. It was either term time or no holiday. "
And just to add I have *grown up* children also, who where taken out of school when I as their mother deemed fit! Although their education must have suffered chronically!
One is a mental health nurse.
One is a general nurse.
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country. gee whizz when a child gets a 6 week holiday and the other can't get a 2 week one the head as to say why and that's the answer he gave u wanna no the heads name to ring him?
What I'm questioning is the fact that you're saying the head has given that reason. They should not comment to other parents about other children's cases.
If the head has given that information out then they are in breach of the Data Protection Act as well as ethical rules which govern schools. all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was"
So if your child is off for whatever reason you would be happy for that reason to be disclosed to all?? Even if it was due to an illness or a bereavement??
You have no right to know anything about an individual, especially a child unless they choose to disclose it to you.
All the parent may 'know' what's going on but the only people that actually know are the parents and the school. Gossip is gossip and that's all you have to go on. |
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"its immoral and I'm sure someone will take it to a higher court and win...
School take kids on trips all the time
but if a parent does it its a crime ???
Pay for a ski trip to school no probs
take them yourself a fine....
Its bollocks esp when many phone in sick to avoid the fine....
...Climbs off soap box
School trips teach other things within the context of a holiday. I found out about tidal rivers, trees, how bays are formed and all sorts of other things through a school trip. I also found out how to rub along with people in shared accommodation for a week, working together in teams, playing with others outside of the playground.
It's not the same thing at all. For some children the school trip might be the only holiday they get. Look at Farms for City Children. It's a school trip but not something a holiday with parents could replicate.
Yes and look at what the schools charge for these trips
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country. gee whizz when a child gets a 6 week holiday and the other can't get a 2 week one the head as to say why and that's the answer he gave u wanna no the heads name to ring him?
What I'm questioning is the fact that you're saying the head has given that reason. They should not comment to other parents about other children's cases.
If the head has given that information out then they are in breach of the Data Protection Act as well as ethical rules which govern schools. all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
So if your child is off for whatever reason you would be happy for that reason to be disclosed to all?? Even if it was due to an illness or a bereavement??
You have no right to know anything about an individual, especially a child unless they choose to disclose it to you.
All the parent may 'know' what's going on but the only people that actually know are the parents and the school. Gossip is gossip and that's all you have to go on. "
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Some people can not choose when they can have holidays,take members of the forces you cant just decide you want to take time out in the 6 weeks of the school holidays.You get the time off if an when you can be spared. |
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"In my sons class there is a lad who has been gone for 6 weeks to Pakistan not word was said at school
How do you know?
Extended absences are included in the law. A 6 week trip to Pakistan will have been dealt with in the same way as someone going to Benidorm.
Or are you just saying that because its someone going to Pakistan? we know because my sons is in his class lol and the reason was because it was for religious reason as many parents asked for the same in the summer for 2 weeks and the head had to give the reason why it was allowed that's how we know
So you know about the confidential activities of the school? If so then I would suggest OFSTED need to be aware of the school giving details of children's absences out to other parents as that is a breach of confidentiality.
Children are entitled to 3 days religious observance in a school year if religious festivals (Eid, Divali, Yom Kippur, Samhain etc) do not fall within school holidays.
Furthermore, any school who does not enforce the fine process is in breach of the laws of this country. gee whizz when a child gets a 6 week holiday and the other can't get a 2 week one the head as to say why and that's the answer he gave u wanna no the heads name to ring him?
What I'm questioning is the fact that you're saying the head has given that reason. They should not comment to other parents about other children's cases.
If the head has given that information out then they are in breach of the Data Protection Act as well as ethical rules which govern schools. all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
So if your child is off for whatever reason you would be happy for that reason to be disclosed to all?? Even if it was due to an illness or a bereavement??
You have no right to know anything about an individual, especially a child unless they choose to disclose it to you.
All the parent may 'know' what's going on but the only people that actually know are the parents and the school. Gossip is gossip and that's all you have to go on. no it was from the headmasters mouth"
Well if that's the case he is a bit of a fucking idiot then... |
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"Some people can not choose when they can have holidays,take members of the forces you cant just decide you want to take time out in the 6 weeks of the school holidays.You get the time off if an when you can be spared."
Exactly ! Just like schools can't give holidays when they want them.
They have to be in the TWELVE weeks during the year when they can be spared and every weekend.
5 summer. 2 easter 2 Christmas 1 May 1 October 1 FEBRUARY and some bank holidays.
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
doesn't matter now we all no why the lad went away for 6 weeks it's amazing how many weddings there are in the summer holidays in school time works all at our school lol
As I mentioned earlier, it's unlikely you actually know the real reasons....a blanket 'religious reasons' response seems to be a little flimsy and there probably is more to the story... Had you said, Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage, which has time constraints, that'd be more likely.
doesn't matter as I said most parents no the truth and it's his education on the line as this lad struggles to talk English even tho he had been in the school for 3 years and he is ten no the brightest lad goin lol"
What most parents know or were told isn't necessarily the full story though is it? |
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
doesn't matter now we all no why the lad went away for 6 weeks it's amazing how many weddings there are in the summer holidays in school time works all at our school lol
As I mentioned earlier, it's unlikely you actually know the real reasons....a blanket 'religious reasons' response seems to be a little flimsy and there probably is more to the story... Had you said, Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage, which has time constraints, that'd be more likely.
doesn't matter as I said most parents no the truth and it's his education on the line as this lad struggles to talk English even tho he had been in the school for 3 years and he is ten no the brightest lad goin lol
What most parents know or were told isn't necessarily the full story though is it?"
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"Some people can not choose when they can have holidays,take members of the forces you cant just decide you want to take time out in the 6 weeks of the school holidays.You get the time off if an when you can be spared.
Exactly ! Just like schools can't give holidays when they want them.
They have to be in the TWELVE weeks during the year when they can be spared and every weekend.
5 summer. 2 easter 2 Christmas 1 May 1 October 1 FEBRUARY and some bank holidays.
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It's actually 13 weeks. Apologies for being a pedant....and schools do have freedoms, but are constrained by other schools... Having said that, neighbouring boroughs having different holidays has caused parents, or teachers who are parents, problems in the past.
Hopefully the parents who experience difficulties getting time off during holiday time are able to reach a compromise with the school. It's probably not massively common, otherwise this story and that of _umpkins would be making the newspapers with greater regularity. |
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over a year ago
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Unless you work in school you will know very little about what is and not allowed and if being away can make a difference and how.
You can offer opinions which of course is what people will do. X |
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" all the other parents have a right to no if one child is having special treatment and the parents feel this family was
They don't have a right to know what the reasons for "special" treatment might be. You can ask that the rules are being applied fairly but you can't know the personal reasons relating to a particular case.
doesn't matter now we all no why the lad went away for 6 weeks it's amazing how many weddings there are in the summer holidays in school time works all at our school lol
As I mentioned earlier, it's unlikely you actually know the real reasons....a blanket 'religious reasons' response seems to be a little flimsy and there probably is more to the story... Had you said, Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage, which has time constraints, that'd be more likely.
doesn't matter as I said most parents no the truth and it's his education on the line as this lad struggles to talk English even tho he had been in the school for 3 years and he is ten no the brightest lad goin lol
What most parents know or were told isn't necessarily the full story though is it? don't no , you seem to no more then us"
Perhaps not more than you, perhaps just as little.
Frankly, I'm surprised you took the heads blanket answer at face value. Pakistan isn't really a centre of religious significance so it's clear that there's more to the story that neither of us have been made privy to. |
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its immoral and I'm sure someone will take it to a higher court and win...
School take kids on trips all the time
but if a parent does it its a crime ???
Pay for a ski trip to school no probs
take them yourself a fine....
Its bollocks esp when many phone in sick to avoid the fine....
...Climbs off soap box
You need to get your facts right!
All school trips over a day trip are taken in holiday time half term Easter etc that is a fact you talk crap. And teachers give up their holiday time to do it fact |
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"its immoral and I'm sure someone will take it to a higher court and win...
School take kids on trips all the time
but if a parent does it its a crime ???
Pay for a ski trip to school no probs
take them yourself a fine....
Its bollocks esp when many phone in sick to avoid the fine....
...Climbs off soap box
You need to get your facts right!
All school trips over a day trip are taken in holiday time half term Easter etc that is a fact you talk crap. And teachers give up their holiday time to do it fact"
The first fact you mentioned is not true at all. Not all school trips are during holiday time.
However, since some are, it is true that teachers do give up there own holiday time -so your second fact is true. |
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i think its disgusting.
whats the difference between me taking my kids to Italy, and the school having 2 weeks away from them learning and going to france?
at least i know when they are with me they arent going to get up to no good, or get assaulted in their hostel or whatever (yes extreme instance but never the less, oh, and i dont have kids, but still lol)
its unfair and unscrupulous.
no idea which school it is around here, but i can see them getting a lot of negative press from local parents |
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"its immoral and I'm sure someone will take it to a higher court and win...
School take kids on trips all the time
but if a parent does it its a crime ???
Pay for a ski trip to school no probs
take them yourself a fine....
Its bollocks esp when many phone in sick to avoid the fine....
...Climbs off soap box
You need to get your facts right!
All school trips over a day trip are taken in holiday time half term Easter etc that is a fact you talk crap. And teachers give up their holiday time to do it fact
The first fact you mentioned is not true at all. Not all school trips are during holiday time.
However, since some are, it is true that teachers do give up there own holiday time -so your second fact is true."
Whenever someone insists their view is a 'fact', you can be pretty sure they're making it up, especially if it's a FACT and more so if it's a FACT! |
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so. "
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"We got charged last year for taking our son on holiday in term time (£100.00)
£50.00 for each parent? Single parent I would have had to pay just £50.00.
Now had it have been a how shall I put it? Critical time for him... Sats... GCSE,s .... A levels... I wouldn't have dreamt of taking him out of school. He is five
Unfortunately for us to take him in the holidays. It would have cost us about 800 more give or take a few pounds... This was not an option, for us. It was either term time or no holiday. "
So, as i said earlier in the thread, the £100 fine was cheaper than the premium you would have to pay for the same holiday if taken during the school holidays,
not much of a deterrent really then this fine is it?? |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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I can as usual see both sides :
- I empathise with families where the hike in holidays prices during the season is preventing them from taking their kids on holidays and I have been tempted myself in the past to take my kids out for a few days, possibly a week.
- I empathise with families struggling to all have time off at the same time - when I was married to somebody in the Forces it was notoriously difficult to get time off during certain peak times. Not to mention my own job!
- I believe holidays are essential for good cohesive family life
- That said - if the government did not step in (and it is the same in other European countries) then this could potentially cause a lot of disruption in the curriculum and this in turn would affect those children whose parents manage to go on holidays during the appropriate times.
I am kind of on the side of looking at each case on its own merit and allowing school Heads to use discretion. |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so. "
So if the heating packs up send your kids to school and let them freeze |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
So if the heating packs up send your kids to school and let them freeze "
we went to school wen heating wasn't working , bit over the top saying they are gonna freeze |
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Children can learn a lot more on holiday, it opens up their awarenesses and cultures.
We never have a beach holiday though bit going to Greece with so much history and being fined is a bit Orwellian to me.
Its just more tax, more money the government can take from you.
Kids have inset days, days they spend watching videos, crazy. |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
So if the heating packs up send your kids to school and let them freeze "
No one is going to freeze, |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
So if the heating packs up send your kids to school and let them freeze we went to school wen heating wasn't working , bit over the top saying they are gonna freeze"
We where harder in those days and used to play outside.  |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
So if the heating packs up send your kids to school and let them freeze
No one is going to freeze, "
It's just a saying isn't it should have said send them to school and let them get very cold |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
So if the heating packs up send your kids to school and let them freeze we went to school wen heating wasn't working , bit over the top saying they are gonna freeze
We where harder in those days and used to play outside. "
the days my kids don't go to school at weekends the heating is not on,it's to cold for the teachers not the kids |
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I have some sympathy. Their arguement was that;
a) it was the first time they had been able to take holiday together. One person above commented that as adults we can chose when we take leave. This is true to a degree, but in many organisations its hard as teams and cover arrangements have to be taken into account.
b) they booked the holiday before the rule came in, or was even being discussed/made public.
I have some sympathy for them personally but understand those that don't. |
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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"Children can learn a lot more on holiday, it opens up their awarenesses and cultures.
We never have a beach holiday though bit going to Greece with so much history and being fined is a bit Orwellian to me.
Its just more tax, more money the government can take from you.
Kids have inset days, days they spend watching videos, crazy."
If children can learn alot more on holidays then pointless sending them to school!
If that statement read children can learn alot on holiday then that would be different.
The family that goes to spain for 2 weeks and sit by a pool and don't go anywhere or do anything cultural at all then no. Its not benefitting the child. The family that goes on trips and excursions and puts the childs education first on holiday then that is different. But all that can still be done within the school holidays. |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
If the school has training then guess what?? Its to benefit the kids of course!!"
a day of been in class is much better. not like they have over 6 weeks a year to do all the training they need. |
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
So if the heating packs up send your kids to school and let them freeze we went to school wen heating wasn't working , bit over the top saying they are gonna freeze
We where harder in those days and used to play outside. the days my kids don't go to school at weekends the heating is not on,it's to cold for the teachers not the kids"
True I was just trying to say that you can't fine a school if heating goes off. A few people in this country would soon kick off if little johnny had to sit in a cold class room |
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"Children can learn a lot more on holiday, it opens up their awarenesses and cultures.
We never have a beach holiday though bit going to Greece with so much history and being fined is a bit Orwellian to me.
Its just more tax, more money the government can take from you.
Kids have inset days, days they spend watching videos, crazy.
If children can learn alot more on holidays then pointless sending them to school!
If that statement read children can learn alot on holiday then that would be different.
The family that goes to spain for 2 weeks and sit by a pool and don't go anywhere or do anything cultural at all then no. Its not benefitting the child. The family that goes on trips and excursions and puts the childs education first on holiday then that is different. But all that can still be done within the school holidays."
we sit by the pool and my 2 sons have learnt to swim , at school they have 12 hours all year swimming lessons,so yes they do learn |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Children can learn a lot more on holiday, it opens up their awarenesses and cultures.
We never have a beach holiday though bit going to Greece with so much history and being fined is a bit Orwellian to me.
Its just more tax, more money the government can take from you.
Kids have inset days, days they spend watching videos, crazy."
Not all holidays with families are educational and nor should they be. Family time is important but this debate seems to have become about the fact that people want a system and want to be able to use it as it suits them. Schools and local authorities aren't raking in money with these fines - it costs more to issue the fine than to ignore the situation.
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"Children can learn a lot more on holiday, it opens up their awarenesses and cultures.
We never have a beach holiday though bit going to Greece with so much history and being fined is a bit Orwellian to me.
Its just more tax, more money the government can take from you.
Kids have inset days, days they spend watching videos, crazy.
If children can learn alot more on holidays then pointless sending them to school!
If that statement read children can learn alot on holiday then that would be different.
The family that goes to spain for 2 weeks and sit by a pool and don't go anywhere or do anything cultural at all then no. Its not benefitting the child. The family that goes on trips and excursions and puts the childs education first on holiday then that is different. But all that can still be done within the school holidays. we sit by the pool and my 2 sons have learnt to swim , at school they have 12 hours all year swimming lessons,so yes they do learn"
Are they hoping to be lifeguards when they grow up ? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I have some sympathy. Their arguement was that;
a) it was the first time they had been able to take holiday together. One person above commented that as adults we can chose when we take leave. This is true to a degree, but in many organisations its hard as teams and cover arrangements have to be taken into account.
b) they booked the holiday before the rule came in, or was even being discussed/made public.
I have some sympathy for them personally but understand those that don't."
The rule has been around for a while. They booked and became aware of the fine after booking. Ignorance is often no defence.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Children can learn a lot more on holiday, it opens up their awarenesses and cultures.
We never have a beach holiday though bit going to Greece with so much history and being fined is a bit Orwellian to me.
Its just more tax, more money the government can take from you.
Kids have inset days, days they spend watching videos, crazy.
If children can learn alot more on holidays then pointless sending them to school!
If that statement read children can learn alot on holiday then that would be different.
The family that goes to spain for 2 weeks and sit by a pool and don't go anywhere or do anything cultural at all then no. Its not benefitting the child. The family that goes on trips and excursions and puts the childs education first on holiday then that is different. But all that can still be done within the school holidays. we sit by the pool and my 2 sons have learnt to swim , at school they have 12 hours all year swimming lessons,so yes they do learn"
Are there no swimming baths in West Midlands? |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"I think the thread has agone off topic as the original question was whether people had some empathy for the family concerned rather than what constitutes vaulable learning?
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
If the school has training then guess what?? Its to benefit the kids of course!!
a day of been in class is much better. not like they have over 6 weeks a year to do all the training they need."
Check how teachers are paid and the summer holidays. |
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The rule has been around for some time, but this also They were aware after booking, but not until many months.
They had a decision to make and I feel, made the right one.
My understanding, and i don't have kids so i may be wrong here but, is that the rule was always that you needed permission to take the kids out. the abiluty to issue fines itself is somewhat new.
You can argue that they were still in breach, having not sought permission but is it REALLY the worst crime in the world? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The rule has been around for some time, but this also They were aware after booking, but not until many months.
They had a decision to make and I feel, made the right one.
My understanding, and i don't have kids so i may be wrong here but, is that the rule was always that you needed permission to take the kids out. the abiluty to issue fines itself is somewhat new.
You can argue that they were still in breach, having not sought permission but is it REALLY the worst crime in the world?"
No, but it's not the worst punishment either. |
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"When the teachers go on strike or teachers traing day we should send them the cost of the childminders we have to pay for"
Teacher training days are built into the school year. If they wasn't training the kids wouldn't be in school anyway. |
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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"let fine the school for day the kids cannot go to school for any reason at all. training strike or shut as the school has no heating as so.
If the school has training then guess what?? Its to benefit the kids of course!!
a day of been in class is much better. not like they have over 6 weeks a year to do all the training they need."
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"A Telford couple have been fined £993 for taking their children out of school during term time for a family holiday? What do you think?
Is this ok considering it's clearly illegal?
Do you have any sympathy for this family ??? "
bloody disgusting, wonder if al the eid holidays that add up over 10 days a year are taken into account |
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"When the teachers go on strike or teachers traing day we should send them the cost of the childminders we have to pay for
Teacher training days are built into the school year. If they wasn't training the kids wouldn't be in school anyway. "
u got kids? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"The rule has been around for some time, but this also They were aware after booking, but not until many months.
They had a decision to make and I feel, made the right one.
My understanding, and i don't have kids so i may be wrong here but, is that the rule was always that you needed permission to take the kids out. the abiluty to issue fines itself is somewhat new.
You can argue that they were still in breach, having not sought permission but is it REALLY the worst crime in the world?"
The fines have been around for a few years now. The permission from the school has been there for even longer.
Shoplifting isn't the worst crime in the world but we still expect people not to shoplift and if they do to face the consequences. It may be the right decision to steal a leg of lamb to feed the family but if caught you still have to face the consequences.
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"A Telford couple have been fined £993 for taking their children out of school during term time for a family holiday? What do you think?
Is this ok considering it's clearly illegal?
Do you have any sympathy for this family ???
bloody disgusting, wonder if al the eid holidays that add up over 10 days a year are taken into account "
Yes they are. All religious holidays are accounted for and are either added on or subtracted from the main holidays. |
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"When the teachers go on strike or teachers traing day we should send them the cost of the childminders we have to pay for
Teacher training days are built into the school year. If they wasn't training the kids wouldn't be in school anyway. u got kids?"
Yes, and my wife works in education. |
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"People need to go on holiday to learn to swim do they????
No.
People go to school to learn and get an education so they can improve their future."
my kids do and my kids learnt from me before they went to school it was us who learnt them to talk no the teachers |
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"When the teachers go on strike or teachers traing day we should send them the cost of the childminders we have to pay for
Teacher training days are built into the school year. If they wasn't training the kids wouldn't be in school anyway. u got kids?
Yes, and my wife works in education. "
then she should no, |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"People need to go on holiday to learn to swim do they????
No.
People go to school to learn and get an education so they can improve their future. my kids do and my kids learnt from me before they went to school it was us who learnt them to talk no the teachers"
I'm sure that'll stand them in good stead. |
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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"People need to go on holiday to learn to swim do they????
No.
People go to school to learn and get an education so they can improve their future. my kids do and my kids learnt from me before they went to school it was us who learnt them to talk no the teachers"
Who learnt them to talk.
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From what I heard, they were give the standard fine, which they never paid
Then got the statutory fine on top of the fine which they never paid
Went to court and now the fine includes court costs
Should've just paid it initially |
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"When the teachers go on strike or teachers traing day we should send them the cost of the childminders we have to pay for
Teacher training days are built into the school year. If they wasn't training the kids wouldn't be in school anyway. u got kids?
Yes, and my wife works in education. then she should no, "
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"I managed to take my son every year till he was 15 in the holidays. What's wrong with holidaying in this country?
the price "
Exactly. Im not forking out nearly a grand for a week in a tin box on a site in the uk and it usually rains!!! |
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over a year ago
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"From what I heard, they were give the standard fine, which they never paid
Then got the statutory fine on top of the fine which they never paid
Went to court and now the fine includes court costs
Should've just paid it initially "
Maybe they wanted the publicity. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I think the thread has agone off topic as the original question was whether people had some empathy for the family concerned rather than what constitutes vaulable learning?
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It was bound to go off topic - it's a them and us subject with the added bonus of being able to talk about how other "thems" in the form of ethnic minorities don't have to face this and it's the hard working, down-trodden getting shafted.
I do have sympathy for parents wanting to have a holiday with their children. I also have that sympathy for those who can't afford to take their kids away ever because the choice is that or food.
I think there is another debate about what we have come to expect of family time and holidays.
I have seen plenty of families on holiday where the kids are parked in the activity club, the parents spend their time drinking and the family time is minimal. I have also seen plenty of families who can't afford to go away and the holiday is spent playing in the park together. I am not judging how people spend their holidays but I do object to the idea that some rules shouldn't apply because they are good people - that's just fatuous.
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By *ruitWoman
over a year ago
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As parents we teach our children lots. School teaches kids another variety of skills that the average parent cannot. Children build on that at high school etc.
For those that think they can do better than the schools then take your kids out and home school them x |
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over a year ago
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"People need to go on holiday to learn to swim do they????
No.
People go to school to learn and get an education so they can improve their future. my kids do and my kids learnt from me before they went to school it was us who learnt them to talk no the teachers"
You taught your kids to say no to the teachers? I don't understand what you are saying here. |
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture."
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday! |
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture.
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday!"
Well we are all different, our holidays are cultural and going to a different part of the world, speaking another language.celebrating traditions |
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture.
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday!
Well we are all different, our holidays are cultural and going to a different part of the world, speaking another language.celebrating traditions "
Not long ago we were driving round Bangkok, with 3 kids in the back with massive water pistols shooting people
And their friends were at school |
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture.
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday!
Well we are all different, our holidays are cultural and going to a different part of the world, speaking another language.celebrating traditions
Not long ago we were driving round Bangkok, with 3 kids in the back with massive water pistols shooting people
And their friends were at school "
Learning how to read and write and behave in a responsible manner. |
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture.
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday!
Well we are all different, our holidays are cultural and going to a different part of the world, speaking another language.celebrating traditions
Not long ago we were driving round Bangkok, with 3 kids in the back with massive water pistols shooting people
And their friends were at school
Learning how to read and write and behave in a responsible manner. "
life is all about experiences and learning from them, they can read and write when ever they want to.dont have to be stuck in a classroom.
Its a massive roller coaster out there and we're all here for the ride.. |
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture.
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday!
Well we are all different, our holidays are cultural and going to a different part of the world, speaking another language.celebrating traditions
Not long ago we were driving round Bangkok, with 3 kids in the back with massive water pistols shooting people
And their friends were at school
Learning how to read and write and behave in a responsible manner. life is all about experiences and learning from them, they can read and write when ever they want to.dont have to be stuck in a classroom.
Its a massive roller coaster out there and we're all here for the ride.."
And what did they learn from shooting people with water pistols? That it's ok to soak people going about they're daily life's. |
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture.
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday!
Well we are all different, our holidays are cultural and going to a different part of the world, speaking another language.celebrating traditions
Not long ago we were driving round Bangkok, with 3 kids in the back with massive water pistols shooting people
And their friends were at school
Learning how to read and write and behave in a responsible manner. life is all about experiences and learning from them, they can read and write when ever they want to.dont have to be stuck in a classroom.
Its a massive roller coaster out there and we're all here for the ride..
And what did they learn from shooting people with water pistols? That it's ok to soak people going about they're daily life's. "
Haha everyone is doing it
Thai new year,probably the biggest water fight in the world
Its fun, you should try ot one day.
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Have been out for a while and have missed a few hours of this. Sadly, I'm not surprised in how it has gone 
If the headteacher at the school in question, earlier in the thread, has passed on information about another child's absence then that headteacher is, as I have said previously, in breach of the Data Protection Act and Confidentiality rules and regulations.
If, which I anticipate is actually what has happened, is Chinese whispers, then I'm not surprised at things being twisted.
Unfortunately, we live in a society whereby people have issues with other cultures.
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"I'm surprised anyone sends their kids at all if so many think that nothing is missed.
What cultural learning ?
Sitting in an airport for two hours then lounging on the beach or hitting the pool and going to the pub at night and eating fish , chips and burgers ?
Very few family holidays are about getting to know the locals and their culture.
I totally agree!
When my children were at primary school I took them to France to visit my dad and they missed 3 days of school. Their headmaster gave permission because they would be experiencing french/catalan/Spanish culture and the dali museum but he wouldn't have let me take them out for a beach holiday!
Well we are all different, our holidays are cultural and going to a different part of the world, speaking another language.celebrating traditions
Not long ago we were driving round Bangkok, with 3 kids in the back with massive water pistols shooting people
And their friends were at school
Learning how to read and write and behave in a responsible manner. life is all about experiences and learning from them, they can read and write when ever they want to.dont have to be stuck in a classroom.
Its a massive roller coaster out there and we're all here for the ride..
And what did they learn from shooting people with water pistols? That it's ok to soak people going about they're daily life's.
Haha everyone is doing it
Thai new year,probably the biggest water fight in the world
Its fun, you should try ot one day.
An amazing world we have"
Ok a fair point well put |
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