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"Who watchin it n what do you think?" Usual reporting of extremes just to sensationalize the topic. For certain the extremes exist but the majority of people do not live like this, | |||
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"All the money they get and their houses and kids are filthy" I agree with that | |||
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"if the tv componies want to do a programme on a benefits street why not do the house of commons or house of lords as they are choc full of benefit scroungers ."  | |||
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"if the tv componies want to do a programme on a benefits street why not do the house of commons or house of lords as they are choc full of benefit scroungers . " | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think?" It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. | |||
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"I do agree with a lot of comments above, but I do love irony, the council wouldn't pick up the rubbish, because it wasn't bagged! So they thought they would protest and bag it and put it in the middle of the road.....or is that just me? "Exactly. It took them three hours to put it in the road! I think they just like drama. I was shouting at the tv constantly. And don't even get me started on their dirty houses when they have small children. You'd think they have loads of time to clean being unemployed. | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. " It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10. | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10." We felt sorry for the Romanians as they were exploited by a criminal gang & left to starve, we thought the Indian guy next door who was helping feed them was a nice guy. Like the Chinese, gangs fetch a lot of these guys over with promises of work & riches holding their Passports & making them slaves. We thought the police could have done more even if it meant deporting the guys home as half didn't have the right permits. | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10. We felt sorry for the Romanians as they were exploited by a criminal gang & left to starve, we thought the Indian guy next door who was helping feed them was a nice guy. Like the Chinese, gangs fetch a lot of these guys over with promises of work & riches holding their Passports & making them slaves. We thought the police could have done more even if it meant deporting the guys home as half didn't have the right permits. " Its a good point but it would have cost to take them in cost to hotel them prior to deportation, cost to fly them home. It would have been more humanitarian though. What we need to do is get this show dubbed into Rumanian and get them to play it on tv over there then no fucker would come in the first place. | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10. We felt sorry for the Romanians as they were exploited by a criminal gang & left to starve, we thought the Indian guy next door who was helping feed them was a nice guy. Like the Chinese, gangs fetch a lot of these guys over with promises of work & riches holding their Passports & making them slaves. We thought the police could have done more even if it meant deporting the guys home as half didn't have the right permits. " The indian or pakistani guy was trying to help them, giving them free food, but then the romanians complained that the indian food was too spicy, lol. | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10. We felt sorry for the Romanians as they were exploited by a criminal gang & left to starve, we thought the Indian guy next door who was helping feed them was a nice guy. Like the Chinese, gangs fetch a lot of these guys over with promises of work & riches holding their Passports & making them slaves. We thought the police could have done more even if it meant deporting the guys home as half didn't have the right permits. Its a good point but it would have cost to take them in cost to hotel them prior to deportation, cost to fly them home. It would have been more humanitarian though. What we need to do is get this show dubbed into Rumanian and get them to play it on tv over there then no fucker would come in the first place. " Have to agree with you, if people saw what life is really like half wouldn't want to come here in the first place. The show does go over the top with their portrait of people on benefits, in reality only a very small percentage of people would be like these guys but it provides the propaganda the government want. | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else" I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents." I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent" what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc? | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc?" Tax is sorted, everything else is sorted by my housing benefits, parents pay the rest after I've paid my rent | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent" That comes as something of a surprise. I can only assume the DWP haven't realised the legislation allows this. | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc? Tax is sorted, everything else is sorted by my housing benefits, parents pay the rest after I've paid my rent " so you only have to pay rent and the utilities and council tax is included in your rent? | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc? Tax is sorted, everything else is sorted by my housing benefits, parents pay the rest after I've paid my rent so you only have to pay rent and the utilities and council tax is included in your rent?" Yep! | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc? Tax is sorted, everything else is sorted by my housing benefits, parents pay the rest after I've paid my rent so you only have to pay rent and the utilities and council tax is included in your rent? Yep!" No offense but no wonder you can live on £50 easy when you don't have the responsibility of those other bills, different story when you have bills coming out your ears such as hefty utilities and council tax as well as paying a portion of your rent. | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc? Tax is sorted, everything else is sorted by my housing benefits, parents pay the rest after I've paid my rent so you only have to pay rent and the utilities and council tax is included in your rent? Yep! No offense but no wonder you can live on £50 easy when you don't have the responsibility of those other bills, different story when you have bills coming out your ears such as hefty utilities and council tax as well as paying a portion of your rent." I do have other bills to pay and after that I still have £50 left over so no I don't have it easy | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc? Tax is sorted, everything else is sorted by my housing benefits, parents pay the rest after I've paid my rent so you only have to pay rent and the utilities and council tax is included in your rent? Yep! No offense but no wonder you can live on £50 easy when you don't have the responsibility of those other bills, different story when you have bills coming out your ears such as hefty utilities and council tax as well as paying a portion of your rent. I do have other bills to pay and after that I still have £50 left over so no I don't have it easy" That's probably cause you still live at home and all your essential bills are covered by your housing benefit. It's not easy street like the media would make it out to be. | |||
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"what quite annoys me is not just the people on benefit street, that people on benefits can afford to have sky and wifi, do drugs, drink and then whine about how they can't afford to feed themselves, yes you can live off £50 a week, I do, I give my housing benefits to my parents as my rent and then the rest is to spend on tobacco which lasts me a week, bus fare and whatever else I didn't know you could claim housing benefit while living with your parents. I can because my name is on the tenancy agreement so I'm liable to pay my share of the rent what about your gas,electric, council tax, water rates etc? Tax is sorted, everything else is sorted by my housing benefits, parents pay the rest after I've paid my rent so you only have to pay rent and the utilities and council tax is included in your rent? Yep! No offense but no wonder you can live on £50 easy when you don't have the responsibility of those other bills, different story when you have bills coming out your ears such as hefty utilities and council tax as well as paying a portion of your rent. I do have other bills to pay and after that I still have £50 left over so no I don't have it easy That's probably cause you still live at home and all your essential bills are covered by your housing benefit. It's not easy street like the media would make it out to be." The only bills I pay is my loan and my phone. It's not easy | |||
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"I have read somewhere that the owners of the production company that made it have links to the Conservative party. I would be interested in a programme that shows how the vast majority of people on low income or benefits are struggling as opposed to one that serves to demonise them. Shame on Ch4 for showing this and the similar programme Skint." No you wouldn't. That's why they haven't made such a programme. Good on Channel 4 - and for the programme with Dave sorting out loans. Nice to show different aspects to society. | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet?" why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money" No idea. Maybe hitch hiking? | |||
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"Maybe you wouldn't feel sorry for them if they were next door to you" Yes, I can see how that suddenly makes slave labour ok. | |||
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"Maybe you wouldn't feel sorry for them if they were next door to you Yes, I can see how that suddenly makes slave labour ok." . These are the same guys who had no food and the asain guy came round to feed them and they said we don't eat it because its to spicey, not that hungry then? | |||
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"Maybe you wouldn't feel sorry for them if they were next door to you Yes, I can see how that suddenly makes slave labour ok.. These are the same guys who had no food and the asain guy came round to feed them and they said we don't eat it because its to spicey, not that hungry then?" | |||
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"I do agree with a lot of comments above, but I do love irony, the council wouldn't pick up the rubbish, because it wasn't bagged! So they thought they would protest and bag it and put it in the middle of the road.....or is that just me?
Exactly. It took them three hours to put it in the road! I think they just like drama. I was shouting at the tv constantly. And don't even get me started on their dirty houses when they have small children. You'd think they have loads of time to clean being unemployed. " | |||
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"did the gypsys move cos of it being too rough? lol the women are awful and I feel the kids wont have much of a future which is not their fault" | |||
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"I cant understand where the Romanians got the idea England would be a better life "It makes you wonder but life in Britain is a better standard than in Romania and Bulgaria for most. | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots. " | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots. "This started long before then. I was working with people on estates from shortly before Labour took power and there was already an attitude of entitlement and a 'blame it on them' culture. Since then it's been regarded as something for professionals and schemes to tackle, rather than incentives for people to help themselves. The current govt are no better - they're just channeling their schemes through a few wealthy friends. | |||
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"Amazing at how many smoke. I don't think those calling it propaganda etc. can have watched the programme. Either that or they haven't seen that people really do live in those ways because all I'm seeing is a pretty honest portrayal of a certain way of life." Apart from the odd person living like this we never seen such a concentrated amount living in one place, It might depend on certain areas but we have never seen anything like this down South. Yes you might get large areas of unemployment but most are decent people, who can honestly say they have neighbours sitting outside on sofas acting like this and if they do is there a street full of them... The prog was sponsored for by certain parties aimed at an audience who would believe its like this all over the country, it is propaganda to cause unrest to those who are sadly out of work. | |||
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"Amazing at how many smoke. I don't think those calling it propaganda etc. can have watched the programme. Either that or they haven't seen that people really do live in those ways because all I'm seeing is a pretty honest portrayal of a certain way of life. Apart from the odd person living like this we never seen such a concentrated amount living in one place, It might depend on certain areas but we have never seen anything like this down South. Yes you might get large areas of unemployment but most are decent people, who can honestly say they have neighbours sitting outside on sofas acting like this and if they do is there a street full of them... The prog was sponsored for by certain parties aimed at an audience who would believe its like this all over the country, it is propaganda to cause unrest to those who are sadly out of work." I can assure you there are plenty of similar people to be found 'down south'. | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots.
This started long before then. I was working with people on estates from shortly before Labour took power and there was already an attitude of entitlement and a 'blame it on them' culture.
Since then it's been regarded as something for professionals and schemes to tackle, rather than incentives for people to help themselves. The current govt are no better - they're just channeling their schemes through a few wealthy friends."
I don't doubt it has been going on before 1997. Politicians basically pandering to vulnerable in order to gain votes, rather than doing the right thing by tax-payers & doing the right thing for the country. | |||
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"but only a small percentage live like this." Of course. Just behind that street they have little old ladies organising Britain in Bloom! Doesn't change that it's an accurate portrayal of how some people live at the moment. I don't see how people suggesting we should pretend that's not the case, or ignore it, think that will help. | |||
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"not sure what all the drama is about, we all knew there were people living like this in hard times. some very, very genuine, others taking the piss. some love the outrage." No i think i have heard it all before, i seem to remember people like that in the eighties. | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money" Walk maybe ? | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money Walk maybe ? " Traffickers who recoup the 'fare' from earnings once they arrive in the UK? Same as the crooked landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum conditions, often paid via housing benefit. | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money Walk maybe ? Traffickers who recoup the 'fare' from earnings once they arrive in the UK? Same as the crooked landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum conditions, often paid via housing benefit." I see, so in your twisted _iew of the world through your "socialist red specs" Landlords with lower standards are just as bad as people traffickers who get poor Eastern Europeans here, confiscate their passports, make them do work for a pittance, under-cutting decent employers & then not paying them for the work that is done. The housing crisis was caused by Gormless Brown who decided that rather than stick to his "Socialist principles & moral compass" by looking after the poor of this country, he'd rather let rip on house prices & have them more than double. Tough shit to the working classes who voted for Labour. Latest estimates are that there is 10,000 slaves in this country (none in 1997) But never mind eh? What about the Landlord's? I suppose they must be Tories! Labour have turned this country into a shit-hole of cheap Labour & even John Cruddas, the Labour party chairman said that "It was wrong to use mass immigration as a wages policy" People must be really thick to vote Labour when this is how they repay them! | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money Walk maybe ? Traffickers who recoup the 'fare' from earnings once they arrive in the UK? Same as the crooked landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum conditions, often paid via housing benefit." You would be better informing the benefits office if you think you are in slum conditions and see if you can get rehoused. | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots. "total rubbish.. the benefit culture was about in the 70's as i recall, under both tory and labour governments.. there are generations of indigenous scroungers, always have been sadly enough.. the latest cuts by this bunch of feckwits have reduced the very folks who can catch such folks.. then again they've done the same to HMRC, probably to not expose some of their millionaire donors antics.. | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money Walk maybe ? Traffickers who recoup the 'fare' from earnings once they arrive in the UK? Same as the crooked landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum conditions, often paid via housing benefit. You would be better informing the benefits office if you think you are in slum conditions and see if you can get rehoused. " Eh? Did you actually read the posts you were replying to? | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10." You say..... 'The Romanians stayed up late drinking in the street' I say ... There was a clip lasting less than five seconds showing the Romanians having A drink. I have NO idea what time it was or how much drink they had. They seemed pretty sober to me. | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money Walk maybe ? Traffickers who recoup the 'fare' from earnings once they arrive in the UK? Same as the crooked landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum conditions, often paid via housing benefit. You would be better informing the benefits office if you think you are in slum conditions and see if you can get rehoused. Eh? Did you actually read the posts you were replying to? Eh? did you take the advice given? Put in for rehousing if you think its that bad! "1) I'm not on benefits 2) none of my flats are slums 3) I don't want to be rehoused | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots.
total rubbish..
the benefit culture was about in the 70's as i recall, under both tory and labour governments..
there are generations of indigenous scroungers, always have been sadly enough..
the latest cuts by this bunch of feckwits have reduced the very folks who can catch such folks..
then again they've done the same to HMRC, probably to not expose some of their millionaire donors antics.. "I didn't say that B.Liar invented that, but boy oh boy did he make it too easy for scroungers, whilst making it worse of for many to work instead of being on benefits. | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots.
total rubbish..
the benefit culture was about in the 70's as i recall, under both tory and labour governments..
there are generations of indigenous scroungers, always have been sadly enough..
the latest cuts by this bunch of feckwits have reduced the very folks who can catch such folks..
then again they've done the same to HMRC, probably to not expose some of their millionaire donors antics..
I didn't say that B.Liar invented that, but boy oh boy did he make it too easy for scroungers, whilst making it worse of for many to work instead of being on benefits. "Can you explain exactly how he did that? | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money Walk maybe ? Traffickers who recoup the 'fare' from earnings once they arrive in the UK? Same as the crooked landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum conditions, often paid via housing benefit. You would be better informing the benefits office if you think you are in slum conditions and see if you can get rehoused. Eh? Did you actually read the posts you were replying to? Eh? did you take the advice given? Put in for rehousing if you think its that bad!
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10. You say..... 'The Romanians stayed up late drinking in the street' I say ... There was a clip lasting less than five seconds showing the Romanians having A drink. I have NO idea what time it was or how much drink they had. They seemed pretty sober to me. " Did you have the sound on mute while you watched that short section then? If you listened to the commentary, it said they were staying up late and drinking, it was dark hence nighttime in my book. Plus the girls across the other side of the street were outside drinking aswel. You could tell the programme was filmed in the summertime, because during the day it was warm and sunny, "Britain in bloom" competition and so on (so no comebacks about altering the clocks or filmed during winter). They seemed pretty sober to you? Does hanging out of a first floor window and saying you are going to jump, seem like sober behaviour????? | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots.
total rubbish..
the benefit culture was about in the 70's as i recall, under both tory and labour governments..
there are generations of indigenous scroungers, always have been sadly enough..
the latest cuts by this bunch of feckwits have reduced the very folks who can catch such folks..
then again they've done the same to HMRC, probably to not expose some of their millionaire donors antics..
I didn't say that B.Liar invented that, but boy oh boy did he make it too easy for scroungers, whilst making it worse of for many to work instead of being on benefits.
Can you explain exactly how he did that?"My God, does it need spelling out to you? In 2001 after 9/11 Gormless Brown decided to lower interest rates to stave off recession so he dropped interest rates to 3%. He also libralised the banks with his "light touch regulation" which meant that for every £1 the bank took in deposits, they could lend out £50. This had the effect of a massive housing boom which doubled prices. He rather liked that because even though it wasn't very Socialist, he didn't fucking care about those that voted for him. As for making benefits pay better than low paid work the one-eyed cretin NEVER raised the threshold for what you get taxed at & doubled income tax for the poorest workers. He inreased National insurance a few times also. Moreover Labour doubled Council Tax for the workers, but those on benny's get that free as well. Then he gave increased benefits & gave lots of allowances & free loans on top. This is pretty basic recent history & if you want to spout off about how bad the Tories are, it would be handy to know a few basic facts about how the Labour party has ruined the UK also. But then all the Socialists I know are in denial about everything Labour does wrong & always blames the "nasty Tories" or say that it's "Fatcher's fault innit" | |||
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"Broken Britain is a fact of life but I don't see how labour are responsible. Capitalism and exploitation are resulting in unemployment,low wages and people still wanting to consume. How can we criticise these people who have poor education and probably very low self esteem. These sub cultures form as a way of protecting themselves. Mass media paints a inaccurate and unfair portrayal of people. " You can't see how Labour is responsible? What a joke! The EU is a Socialist entity & they make 70% of our laws (thanks to Gormless Brown) They want Britain to become a sweatshop for cheap Labour & big business thrives in Socialist economies as they can lobby politicians & employ people to deal with red tape. This closes down their smaller competition which leads to monopolies. I guess if you support the Labour party you have to ignore all the shit that they cause the country because that makes your point of _iew invalid. Better just say "Fatcher's fault innit" rather than enter any meaningful debate where the facts are against Socialism. | |||
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"I hope for your sake you are never in a position whereby you lose everything. " Methinks Gordon Brown may have stolen the aptly named Bertiebollox bird. | |||
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"This is basically just one of "B.Liars" legacies. People on the dole given too much money with nothing asked of them in return. Then they are expected to compete for work against Romanians that live 14 to one house. The EU is transforming Britain into a shit-hole & making us poorer & turning us into an international sweat shop for labour. Our society has gone so far backwards since 1997 when the socialists were singing "Things can only get better!" patronising idiots.
total rubbish..
the benefit culture was about in the 70's as i recall, under both tory and labour governments..
there are generations of indigenous scroungers, always have been sadly enough..
the latest cuts by this bunch of feckwits have reduced the very folks who can catch such folks..
then again they've done the same to HMRC, probably to not expose some of their millionaire donors antics..
I didn't say that B.Liar invented that, but boy oh boy did he make it too easy for scroungers, whilst making it worse of for many to work instead of being on benefits.
Can you explain exactly how he did that?
My God, does it need spelling out to you?
In 2001 after 9/11 Gormless Brown decided to lower interest rates to stave off recession so he dropped interest rates to 3%. He also libralised the banks with his "light touch regulation" which meant that for every £1 the bank took in deposits, they could lend out £50. This had the effect of a massive housing boom which doubled prices. He rather liked that because even though it wasn't very Socialist, he didn't fucking care about those that voted for him.
As for making benefits pay better than low paid work the one-eyed cretin NEVER raised the threshold for what you get taxed at & doubled income tax for the poorest workers. He inreased National insurance a few times also. Moreover Labour doubled Council Tax for the workers, but those on benny's get that free as well. Then he gave increased benefits & gave lots of allowances & free loans on top. This is pretty basic recent history & if you want to spout off about how bad the Tories are, it would be handy to know a few basic facts about how the Labour party has ruined the UK also. But then all the Socialists I know are in denial about everything Labour does wrong & always blames the "nasty Tories" or say that it's "Fatcher's fault innit" "Totally agree, but you forgot to mention how labour had an open door immigration policy letting in the biggest wave of people this country has ever seen during the years 00's. This led to an overflow of cheap labour, and thus keeping wages low, i know this first hand because i work in the building trade and the british workers were being undercut left, right and centre by polish builders who were willing to do the same job for not much more than minimum wage. It all adds to everyone in a downward spiral to poverty. | |||
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"Who watchin it n what do you think? It was uncomfortable to watch to some extent and the way the Rumanians existed was dire. It makes you think there should be some sort of social work program for people be they want it or not it should be something they have to do even if its cleaning their own shite up. It was pretty dire, but there was one section in the programme where the romanians stayed up late drinking in the street? Where do they get the money for all the booze? If they want to work here then they should learn english before they come, and bring the proper papers, maybe then they could get a minimum wage job instead of being exploited by criminal gangmasters making them work 16 hours a day for £10. You say..... 'The Romanians stayed up late drinking in the street' I say ... There was a clip lasting less than five seconds showing the Romanians having A drink. I have NO idea what time it was or how much drink they had. They seemed pretty sober to me. Did you have the sound on mute while you watched that short section then? If you listened to the commentary, it said they were staying up late and drinking, it was dark hence nighttime in my book. Plus the girls across the other side of the street were outside drinking aswel. You could tell the programme was filmed in the summertime, because during the day it was warm and sunny, "Britain in bloom" competition and so on (so no comebacks about altering the clocks or filmed during winter). They seemed pretty sober to you? Does hanging out of a first floor window and saying you are going to jump, seem like sober behaviour????? " No I didn't have the sound on mute. I did listen to the commentary. Yes they seemed sober to me. Stupid behaviour doesn't prove that anyone was d*unk. | |||
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"Bertie, as usual and in keeping with your profile name your talking bollocks fella.. thatcher got rid of the regulations concerning fair rents, not brown.. suppose if it keeps you happy in your ranty little world then hey ho.. Brown doubled the price of houses. When it costs double to buy a house, what do you think happens to the cost of rents? "all by himself..?? amazing that he did that and folks still slag him off..? btw the deregulation of the financial market also started under thatcher, think it was her love of friedman and his idealogy.. yes blair expanded it and in some cases went further but it started under a tory government.. | |||
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"Who paid these 'undercut wages'? Unscrupulous employers - mostly Tory donors. What did your union do about it? I take it you were/ are in a union?" Never mind about that, what did the Unions say about 4 million cheap migrant workers coming & under-cutting there members wages? Nothing, Unions do fuck all apart from pick up a fantastic salary, until there is a Tory Government & then they start complaining & organising protest. It's beneath contempt it really is. | |||
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"I didn't forget to mention, there are just too many things that the Labour party did to fuck the working classes. Increasing the duty on booze 40% in pubs & closing thousands of pubs with the smoking ban is another. Also dumbing down education so that 20% of kids come out of school not being able to read or write. The whole era of NuLabour shat on the working classes & then you get idiots like that Gillian Duffy who asked Gormless "These Eastern Europeans. Where are they all coming from?" So the one-eyed Gormless said that she was a "Bigot" & yet still she votes Labour! It's unbelievable how thick some people are! "Dear oh dear Bertie. You know why Mrs Duffy still votes Labour? Cos she knows its the right thing to do. | |||
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"Who paid these 'undercut wages'? Unscrupulous employers - mostly Tory donors. What did your union do about it? I take it you were/ are in a union? Never mind about that, what did the Unions say about 4 million cheap migrant workers coming & under-cutting there members wages? Nothing, Unions do fuck all apart from pick up a fantastic salary, until there is a Tory Government & then they start complaining & organising protest. It's beneath contempt it really is. ""Never mind about that"?????? Lololololol ! | |||
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"Bertie, as usual and in keeping with your profile name your talking bollocks fella.. thatcher got rid of the regulations concerning fair rents, not brown.. suppose if it keeps you happy in your ranty little world then hey ho.. Brown doubled the price of houses. When it costs double to buy a house, what do you think happens to the cost of rents?
all by himself..??
amazing that he did that and folks still slag him off..?
btw the deregulation of the financial market also started under thatcher, think it was her love of friedman and his idealogy..
yes blair expanded it and in some cases went further but it started under a tory government.."But it wasn't a problem under the Tory Government though was it. Then Gormless took away the powers fro the B of E & effectively the industry was regulated by three different bodies, none of which had responsibility & none of which had the power to intervene when necessary. That was Labour that caused that not the Tories. When the house prices went through the roof the Labour Chancellor told everybody how marvellous he was & said that he'd abolished "boom & bust"
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"Who paid these 'undercut wages'? Unscrupulous employers - mostly Tory donors. What did your union do about it? I take it you were/ are in a union?" No not unscrupulous employers or tory donors. As i do a lot of private work, these were just normal everyday people trying to get their extension or other building work done as cheaply as possible. Maybe people like you Onny? As i said, mass immigration = Low wages. May have something to do with UKIP gaining more support, the polls don't lie! No i'm not in a union and can't see the point joining one. Did any of the unions ever oppose Blair or Browns open door immigration policies? | |||
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" You can't see how Labour is responsible? What a joke! The EU is a Socialist entity & they make 70% of our laws (thanks to Gormless Brown) They want Britain to become a sweatshop for cheap Labour & big business thrives in Socialist economies as they can lobby politicians & employ people to deal with red tape. " so unchecked and poorly regualated global capitalism is not involved in the above.. sort of sanctioned by the IMF and the World bank..? amazing that when Labour was formed to represent the working class that they would one day be a global idealogy which does all the above.. any other re writings of history you would like to educate us with..? | |||
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"Who paid these 'undercut wages'? Unscrupulous employers - mostly Tory donors. What did your union do about it? I take it you were/ are in a union? No not unscrupulous employers or tory donors. As i do a lot of private work, these were just normal everyday people trying to get their extension or other building work done as cheaply as possible. Maybe people like you Onny? As i said, mass immigration = Low wages. May have something to do with UKIP gaining more support, the polls don't lie! No i'm not in a union and can't see the point joining one. Did any of the unions ever oppose Blair or Browns open door immigration policies? " I had my extension done on the NHS. | |||
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"Bertie, as usual and in keeping with your profile name your talking bollocks fella.. thatcher got rid of the regulations concerning fair rents, not brown.. suppose if it keeps you happy in your ranty little world then hey ho.. Brown doubled the price of houses. When it costs double to buy a house, what do you think happens to the cost of rents?
all by himself..??
amazing that he did that and folks still slag him off..?
btw the deregulation of the financial market also started under thatcher, think it was her love of friedman and his idealogy..
yes blair expanded it and in some cases went further but it started under a tory government..
But it wasn't a problem under the Tory Government though was it. Then Gormless took away the powers fro the B of E & effectively the industry was regulated by three different bodies, none of which had responsibility & none of which had the power to intervene when necessary. That was Labour that caused that not the Tories. When the house prices went through the roof the Labour Chancellor told everybody how marvellous he was & said that he'd abolished "boom & bust"
So no, the blame lies fairly at Labour's door! traitors to the working classes. "so the tories were they in power would have said no to a tax revenue from that sector of abour 23/24% of gdp.. think that you should read Hansard, every decision taken in Parliament re financial markets was lauded and voted for by the tories.. it was a cash cow which came back to bite them and us all on the arse post the 08 crash.. | |||
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"Who paid these 'undercut wages'? Unscrupulous employers - mostly Tory donors. What did your union do about it? I take it you were/ are in a union? No not unscrupulous employers or tory donors. As i do a lot of private work, these were just normal everyday people trying to get their extension or other building work done as cheaply as possible. Maybe people like you Onny? As i said, mass immigration = Low wages. May have something to do with UKIP gaining more support, the polls don't lie! No i'm not in a union and can't see the point joining one. Did any of the unions ever oppose Blair or Browns open door immigration policies? " Freedom of movement (in both directions) is a basic principle of the EU. Who took Britain into the EU? | |||
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"No listen you lot.. in a debate about politics there is no place for that bunch of idiots called yewkrap.. "This isn't about politics. It's about prejudice. | |||
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"No listen you lot.. in a debate about politics there is no place for that bunch of idiots called yewkrap..
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? why? I would like to know how they got to London with no money Walk maybe ? Traffickers who recoup the 'fare' from earnings once they arrive in the UK? Same as the crooked landlords who charge exorbitant rents for slum conditions, often paid via housing benefit." I was just about to say this. I found it really sad that men were leaving their families with the promise of a better wage to send back to their families and they ended up the way they did. I think it is disgusting that the police are powerless or not willing to help ( not sure which ) but these people get treated like dirt and then have people from this country slag them off too. I read a story about a load of Romanians working on a farm , worked 14 hour days and at the end of the day the farmer made them race to the end of the field, whoever cam first and second got paid.... the others not. How disgusting to treat human beings like this. | |||
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"Lazy scum from this country slagging them off too. I don't understand why they came, presumably fooled by the nasty bastards taking their wages, but I have to admire what they were trying to do." I think thats what they were saying, they were offered contracts by people recruiting and brought over here by them, they looked so downtrodden because they couldn't send anything home more than the fact they had bugger all themselves. | |||
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"i guess most of them will be on JK show over the next few weeks of to see a solicitor for deformation of character. Its sad that those that choose to do fuck all and expect it all tarnish those that want to get on and do some work . Funny though how the local police are now doing regular patrols in this area ." They are doing regular patrols due to concerns of safety regarding the residents....that street has been known to the police for years.... | |||
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"Broken Britain is a fact of life but I don't see how labour are responsible. Capitalism and exploitation are resulting in unemployment,low wages and people still wanting to consume. How can we criticise these people who have poor education and probably very low self esteem. These sub cultures form as a way of protecting themselves. Mass media paints a inaccurate and unfair portrayal of people. " I agree. It's stirs hate and because people don't know any better, they'll run with it. Instead of blaming government flaws, we attack these people when the reality is they're locked in the system. We're being played against each other. | |||
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"Broken Britain is a fact of life but I don't see how labour are responsible. Capitalism and exploitation are resulting in unemployment,low wages and people still wanting to consume. How can we criticise these people who have poor education and probably very low self esteem. These sub cultures form as a way of protecting themselves. Mass media paints a inaccurate and unfair portrayal of people. I agree. It's stirs hate and because people don't know any better, they'll run with it. Instead of blaming government flaws, we attack these people when the reality is they're locked in the system. We're being played against each other. " | |||
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"....... So when I see Camermoron pretending to B.liar, & acting like a bunch of wets, not unlike the traitor Ted Heath, then I refuse to vote Tory. I'll be voting Ukip from now on. We need to get out of this EU madness. Normally I'd be angry about someone wasting their vote but in this case I'm delighted ". Our vote is always gonna be ukip we want out off Europe , look at Norway | |||
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"....... So when I see Camermoron pretending to B.liar, & acting like a bunch of wets, not unlike the traitor Ted Heath, then I refuse to vote Tory. I'll be voting Ukip from now on. We need to get out of this EU madness. Normally I'd be angry about someone wasting their vote but in this case I'm delighted "Ditto. UKIP will never get in and will split the Tory vote
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"Why would this be of any interest to anyone????? "the forum is about benefit street and how people live on benefits we are saying Norway and the Swiss have a good standard of life not like the low life,s on this programme | |||
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"Why would this be of any interest to anyone????? "Yes it is to me. Shows how much the area, the people & society has changed around here. For me personally i've been away from the locality that much in the last 10 years i barely recognise it. I know television shows can be 'spiced up' to get a reacrion or interest from audiences so do take what i see on there with a pinch of salt | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet?" Romanians smoking Marlboro red !.. That's £8 + per pack !.... | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? Romanians smoking Marlboro red !.. That's £8 + per pack !.... " | |||
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"Jusy watched it and didn't think it was that bad. Feel pretty bad for those Romanians. I'm most surprised at the fact that they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes! What are they these days? £7 a packet? Romanians smoking Marlboro red !.. That's £8 + per pack !.... " I doubt very much that they were brought from a shop but from someone selling dodgy fags | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. " if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while "Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum. | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum."It's their choice to live like that but I certainly would never _iew anyone as scum...the day I treat someone like a bit of shit on my shoe is the day I take a look at myself....and most probably dislike myself for treating someone like some piece of shit on my shoe.... | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum.
It's their choice to live like that but I certainly would never _iew anyone as scum...the day I treat someone like a bit of shit on my shoe is the day I take a look at myself....and most probably dislike myself for treating someone like some piece of shit on my shoe...."Funnily enough I don't treat people like that as scum. That doesn't in any way change my regard for them - as scum. | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum."did I say change places with any scum? I believe I said tongue in cheek with a wink in reply to a flippant comment that they had it all with their mobile phones, fags and why.....even a landline. Why dont we have them doff their caps to their betters and allow them to smoke dung perhaps? The point is they are not all scum, a lot of so called professionals, monied people, insert any type of person ..........can also be scum. it could be argued some on here are also "scum". to me people who lack empathy, understanding and compassion are scum. they may be scum with money but they are still scum IMHO | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum.
It's their choice to live like that but I certainly would never _iew anyone as scum...the day I treat someone like a bit of shit on my shoe is the day I take a look at myself....and most probably dislike myself for treating someone like some piece of shit on my shoe....
Funnily enough I don't treat people like that as scum. That doesn't in any way change my regard for them - as scum."That's your choice | |||
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"I used to be an illegal immigrant in Spain from 1990 to 1992. I used to make a fortune in a job that a Spaniard couldn't do. I used to be a timeshare tout. In 1991 the Spanish tried to deport me twice, but the resort that I worked for paid for a lawyer so that I wasn't deported. After 1992 hoardes of Britsh touts came to Spain & the town I worked used to have 10 friendly touts. Within a couple of years there were 400 touts totally pissing the tourists off. My income dropped by 80%. Then I went to then non-EU Malta, where I was able to get a job because of my reputation, & I again earned great money. It is all relevant to what is happening now in the UK. So when I see Camermoron pretending to B.liar, & acting like a bunch of wets, not unlike the traitor Ted Heath, then I refuse to vote Tory. I'll be voting Ukip from now on. We need to get out of this EU madness. " | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum.
did I say change places with any scum? I believe I said tongue in cheek with a wink in reply to a flippant comment that they had it all with their mobile phones, fags and why.....even a landline. Why dont we have them doff their caps to their betters and allow them to smoke dung perhaps? The point is they are not all scum, a lot of so called professionals, monied people, insert any type of person ..........can also be scum. it could be argued some on here are also "scum". to me people who lack empathy, understanding and compassion are scum. they may be scum with money but they are still scum IMHO"Somewhat diverging. The people who struggle, but make the best use of every penny they have - I respect utterly. And I work with people that live in poverty beyond the nightmares of these people. These people that allow their children to live in shit holes, that shout abuse in the street, that smoke away the money that coukd be used to support their children - are scum. Now I managed to say that without feeling the need to have a personal dig at you, however tempting it seemed. | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum.
did I say change places with any scum? I believe I said tongue in cheek with a wink in reply to a flippant comment that they had it all with their mobile phones, fags and why.....even a landline. Why dont we have them doff their caps to their betters and allow them to smoke dung perhaps? The point is they are not all scum, a lot of so called professionals, monied people, insert any type of person ..........can also be scum. it could be argued some on here are also "scum". to me people who lack empathy, understanding and compassion are scum. they may be scum with money but they are still scum IMHO
Somewhat diverging.
The people who struggle, but make the best use of every penny they have - I respect utterly. And I work with people that live in poverty beyond the nightmares of these people.
These people that allow their children to live in shit holes, that shout abuse in the street, that smoke away the money that coukd be used to support their children - are scum.
Now I managed to say that without feeling the need to have a personal dig at you, however tempting it seemed." | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum.
did I say change places with any scum? I believe I said tongue in cheek with a wink in reply to a flippant comment that they had it all with their mobile phones, fags and why.....even a landline. Why dont we have them doff their caps to their betters and allow them to smoke dung perhaps? The point is they are not all scum, a lot of so called professionals, monied people, insert any type of person ..........can also be scum. it could be argued some on here are also "scum". to me people who lack empathy, understanding and compassion are scum. they may be scum with money but they are still scum IMHO
Somewhat diverging.
The people who struggle, but make the best use of every penny they have - I respect utterly. And I work with people that live in poverty beyond the nightmares of these people.
These people that allow their children to live in shit holes, that shout abuse in the street, that smoke away the money that coukd be used to support their children - are scum.
Now I managed to say that without feeling the need to have a personal dig at you, however tempting it seemed."why would you feel tempted to have a dig at me? did I dig at you? I dont believe I did, I was talking generically. get over yourself | |||
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"Fags mobile phones land line phones they had it all. if its that good a life, why dont you trade places for a while
Living like that is a choice. There are plenty on just as limited budgets that don't live like scum.
did I say change places with any scum? I believe I said tongue in cheek with a wink in reply to a flippant comment that they had it all with their mobile phones, fags and why.....even a landline. Why dont we have them doff their caps to their betters and allow them to smoke dung perhaps? The point is they are not all scum, a lot of so called professionals, monied people, insert any type of person ..........can also be scum. it could be argued some on here are also "scum". to me people who lack empathy, understanding and compassion are scum. they may be scum with money but they are still scum IMHO
Somewhat diverging.
The people who struggle, but make the best use of every penny they have - I respect utterly. And I work with people that live in poverty beyond the nightmares of these people.
These people that allow their children to live in shit holes, that shout abuse in the street, that smoke away the money that coukd be used to support their children - are scum.
Now I managed to say that without feeling the need to have a personal dig at you, however tempting it seemed.
why would you feel tempted to have a dig at me? did I dig at you? I dont believe I did, I was talking generically. get over yourself "FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!! Im back school | |||
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"....... So when I see Camermoron pretending to B.liar, & acting like a bunch of wets, not unlike the traitor Ted Heath, then I refuse to vote Tory. I'll be voting Ukip from now on. We need to get out of this EU madness. Normally I'd be angry about someone wasting their vote but in this case I'm delighted . Our vote is always gonna be ukip we want out off Europe , look at Norway "You won't think that if you have to pay Norwegian taxes. | |||
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"....... So when I see Camermoron pretending to B.liar, & acting like a bunch of wets, not unlike the traitor Ted Heath, then I refuse to vote Tory. I'll be voting Ukip from now on. We need to get out of this EU madness. Normally I'd be angry about someone wasting their vote but in this case I'm delighted . Our vote is always gonna be ukip we want out off Europe , look at Norway
You won't think that if you have to pay Norwegian taxes."their pay is a lot better and schools but we can't get it so will have to stay here lol | |||
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"People on benefits should be given food stamps, so they HAVE to buy food with it, instead of wasting the money on fags and booze. We are too soft in this country. As for the politics, what does Labour or the Conservatives stand for anymore? I'm damned if i have a clue??? They seem like one and the same to me. At least we all know what UKIP do stand for and that is exit from the disaster that is the EU as soon as possible!" | |||
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"People on benefits should be given food stamps, so they HAVE to buy food with it, instead of wasting the money on fags and booze. We are too soft in this country. As for the politics, what does Labour or the Conservatives stand for anymore? I'm damned if i have a clue??? They seem like one and the same to me. At least we all know what UKIP do stand for and that is exit from the disaster that is the EU as soon as possible!" To play devils advocate, who are you, or indeed who is anyone to tell someone what they can spend the benefits the law states people are entitled to on? I worked for 17 years lost my job and used all my savings, sold my car etc to get through until I got another job. 3 years later it happened again, I lost my house despite selling nearly everything I could to try to prevent it. I claimed benefits during this period, any if any one was to tell me I didn't deserve a drink, or a fag (however i don't smoke) paid for out my benefits I would tell them where to stick it! I also bought food, we aren't all morons and shouldn't be punished by the Daily Mail readers due to a minority. I now work again but having seen the other side I can empathise a bit more, that's not to say I support the workshy etc, I just get the perspective right in my opinion. | |||
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"People on benefits should be given food stamps, so they HAVE to buy food with it, instead of wasting the money on fags and booze. We are too soft in this country. As for the politics, what does Labour or the Conservatives stand for anymore? I'm damned if i have a clue??? They seem like one and the same to me. At least we all know what UKIP do stand for and that is exit from the disaster that is the EU as soon as possible! To play devils advocate, who are you, or indeed who is anyone to tell someone what they can spend the benefits the law states people are entitled to on? I worked for 17 years lost my job and used all my savings, sold my car etc to get through until I got another job. 3 years later it happened again, I lost my house despite selling nearly everything I could to try to prevent it. I claimed benefits during this period, any if any one was to tell me I didn't deserve a drink, or a fag (however i don't smoke) paid for out my benefits I would tell them where to stick it! I also bought food, we aren't all morons and shouldn't be punished by the Daily Mail readers due to a minority. I now work again but having seen the other side I can empathise a bit more, that's not to say I support the workshy etc, I just get the perspective right in my opinion." if I was on benifits which I'm not as I work, it wouldn't bother me if I had food tokens as long as me and my kids don't go hungry or cold | |||
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"People on benefits should be given food stamps, so they HAVE to buy food with it, instead of wasting the money on fags and booze. We are too soft in this country. As for the politics, what does Labour or the Conservatives stand for anymore? I'm damned if i have a clue??? They seem like one and the same to me. At least we all know what UKIP do stand for and that is exit from the disaster that is the EU as soon as possible! To play devils advocate, who are you, or indeed who is anyone to tell someone what they can spend the benefits the law states people are entitled to on? I worked for 17 years lost my job and used all my savings, sold my car etc to get through until I got another job. 3 years later it happened again, I lost my house despite selling nearly everything I could to try to prevent it. I claimed benefits during this period, any if any one was to tell me I didn't deserve a drink, or a fag (however i don't smoke) paid for out my benefits I would tell them where to stick it! I also bought food, we aren't all morons and shouldn't be punished by the Daily Mail readers due to a minority. I now work again but having seen the other side I can empathise a bit more, that's not to say I support the workshy etc, I just get the perspective right in my opinion. if I was on benifits which I'm not as I work, it wouldn't bother me if I had food tokens as long as me and my kids don't go hungry or cold" do get that, at the end of the day food and water, clothes on your back are more important. but why shouldn't I have been allowed a drink or 3 with MY benefit money? I have worked 20 odd years in senior roles earning good money, I have been unemployed twice in my life. The way I see it I have paid for my occasional bottle. | |||
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"People on benefits should be given food stamps, so they HAVE to buy food with it, instead of wasting the money on fags and booze. We are too soft in this country. As for the politics, what does Labour or the Conservatives stand for anymore? I'm damned if i have a clue??? They seem like one and the same to me. At least we all know what UKIP do stand for and that is exit from the disaster that is the EU as soon as possible! To play devils advocate, who are you, or indeed who is anyone to tell someone what they can spend the benefits the law states people are entitled to on? I worked for 17 years lost my job and used all my savings, sold my car etc to get through until I got another job. 3 years later it happened again, I lost my house despite selling nearly everything I could to try to prevent it. I claimed benefits during this period, any if any one was to tell me I didn't deserve a drink, or a fag (however i don't smoke) paid for out my benefits I would tell them where to stick it! I also bought food, we aren't all morons and shouldn't be punished by the Daily Mail readers due to a minority. I now work again but having seen the other side I can empathise a bit more, that's not to say I support the workshy etc, I just get the perspective right in my opinion. if I was on benifits which I'm not as I work, it wouldn't bother me if I had food tokens as long as me and my kids don't go hungry or cold do get that, at the end of the day food and water, clothes on your back are more important. but why shouldn't I have been allowed a drink or 3 with MY benefit money? I have worked 20 odd years in senior roles earning good money, I have been unemployed twice in my life. The way I see it I have paid for my occasional bottle." benifits is not for luxury s it's there to help u get by and if u have kids don't u think its a bit selfish spending it on drinks and fags? | |||
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"People on benefits should be given food stamps, so they HAVE to buy food with it, instead of wasting the money on fags and booze. We are too soft in this country. As for the politics, what does Labour or the Conservatives stand for anymore? I'm damned if i have a clue??? They seem like one and the same to me. At least we all know what UKIP do stand for and that is exit from the disaster that is the EU as soon as possible! To play devils advocate, who are you, or indeed who is anyone to tell someone what they can spend the benefits the law states people are entitled to on? I worked for 17 years lost my job and used all my savings, sold my car etc to get through until I got another job. 3 years later it happened again, I lost my house despite selling nearly everything I could to try to prevent it. I claimed benefits during this period, any if any one was to tell me I didn't deserve a drink, or a fag (however i don't smoke) paid for out my benefits I would tell them where to stick it! I also bought food, we aren't all morons and shouldn't be punished by the Daily Mail readers due to a minority. I now work again but having seen the other side I can empathise a bit more, that's not to say I support the workshy etc, I just get the perspective right in my opinion." I'm a working taxpayer, who's income tax goes to these people so they can waste money on fags and booze. Then the taxpayer gets hit in the pocket again when they go to the Nhs with Liver and lung problems in later life through excessive smoking and drinking. I've also been out of work in the past myself and never claimed benefits in my life. I used what savings i had to get through the hard times, but if i did'nt have any savings i would have been happy to get food tokens. | |||
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"........................ do get that, at the end of the day food and water, clothes on your back are more important. but why shouldn't I have been allowed a drink or 3 with MY benefit money? I have worked 20 odd years in senior roles earning good money, I have been unemployed twice in my life. The way I see it I have paid for my occasional bottle." That's not how the fascist press think you should live. Sackcloth and ashes, a bell round your neck to announce your arrival and ritual scourging every day. | |||
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"occasional bottle. benifits is not for luxury s it's there to help u get by and if u have kids don't u think its a bit selfish spending it on drinks and fags?" it would be for those that spend it all on fags and booze and whatever. yes I agree. however that is not what has been said, in brief anyone on benefits should get food tokens and not be allowed to spend it of fags or booze. My challenge is that why should the majority be penalised due to a minority? | |||
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"........................ do get that, at the end of the day food and water, clothes on your back are more important. but why shouldn't I have been allowed a drink or 3 with MY benefit money? I have worked 20 odd years in senior roles earning good money, I have been unemployed twice in my life. The way I see it I have paid for my occasional bottle. That's not how the fascist press think you should live. Sackcloth and ashes, a bell round your neck to announce your arrival and ritual scourging every day." we work hard and we can't afford to by drinks and fags so why should they do it?we go on holiday to Spain in the summer then u see these lazy gits with 5 kids spending more money then us | |||
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"........................ do get that, at the end of the day food and water, clothes on your back are more important. but why shouldn't I have been allowed a drink or 3 with MY benefit money? I have worked 20 odd years in senior roles earning good money, I have been unemployed twice in my life. The way I see it I have paid for my occasional bottle. That's not how the fascist press think you should live. Sackcloth and ashes, a bell round your neck to announce your arrival and ritual scourging every day." too right......just saw this copied and pasted from social networking.... Has anybody stopped and noticed the amount of welfare-related programmes that have been on the telly recently? Benefit Busters, Skint, On Benefits and Proud, Benefits Britain? And now C4's latest offering - 'Benefit Street' (which, I didn't watch, as I could see it's onus from a mile off) They are cleverly designed PROPAGANDA to stoke the fires of an indignant working population who are struggling living under a Tory Prime Minister and austerity. Please remember - these people have been carefully chosen. It comes at a time when George Osborne proposes to cut a further £12billion from welfare. These programmes are designed to have us all applauding this - "yes, let's take money from the dirty scroungers, they're not having any more of MY taxes"... You do realise that Child Benefit, Disability Benefit, Working Tax Credit and State Pensions fall under welfare, don't you? You do realise that we are all only a redundancy away from unemployment ourselves, don't you? You do realise that nobody who earns less than a 6 figure salary has any business listening to or voting for a Tory government, don't you? You do know that while people are taking out their frustrations on the poor and desperate, MPs have given themselves an 11% pay rise and Tory Peers are claiming £300 a day for turning up to work and leaving 20 minutes later, don't you? There have always been a very small group of people who will try and get what they can by doing fuck all - since the dawn of time. All that is needed is a reformation of the system of distribution of JSA and Income Support. Do not be brainwashed by these fat cat bastards. Stick together, get them out. I for one want to live in a society that protects the poor, needy, children, disabled and the working class. They'd bring back workhouses if they could. Thatcher's children. Divide and Conquer. Don't be fooled. | |||
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"........................ do get that, at the end of the day food and water, clothes on your back are more important. but why shouldn't I have been allowed a drink or 3 with MY benefit money? I have worked 20 odd years in senior roles earning good money, I have been unemployed twice in my life. The way I see it I have paid for my occasional bottle. That's not how the fascist press think you should live. Sackcloth and ashes, a bell round your neck to announce your arrival and ritual scourging every day. we work hard and we can't afford to by drinks and fags so why should they do it?we go on holiday to Spain in the summer then u see these lazy gits with 5 kids spending more money then us" I now earn £6.31 an hour, last year I earned £25 an hour. I can afford a few drinks a week, maybe you need some financial advice if thats the case? A pint here is £2.20 in the local, I go without other things if I fancy a few. | |||
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"........................ do get that, at the end of the day food and water, clothes on your back are more important. but why shouldn't I have been allowed a drink or 3 with MY benefit money? I have worked 20 odd years in senior roles earning good money, I have been unemployed twice in my life. The way I see it I have paid for my occasional bottle. That's not how the fascist press think you should live. Sackcloth and ashes, a bell round your neck to announce your arrival and ritual scourging every day. too right......just saw this copied and pasted from social networking.... Has anybody stopped and noticed the amount of welfare-related programmes that have been on the telly recently? Benefit Busters, Skint, On Benefits and Proud, Benefits Britain? And now C4's latest offering - 'Benefit Street' (which, I didn't watch, as I could see it's onus from a mile off) They are cleverly designed PROPAGANDA to stoke the fires of an indignant working population who are struggling living under a Tory Prime Minister and austerity. Please remember - these people have been carefully chosen. It comes at a time when George Osborne proposes to cut a further £12billion from welfare. These programmes are designed to have us all applauding this - "yes, let's take money from the dirty scroungers, they're not having any more of MY taxes"... You do realise that Child Benefit, Disability Benefit, Working Tax Credit and State Pensions fall under welfare, don't you? You do realise that we are all only a redundancy away from unemployment ourselves, don't you? You do realise that nobody who earns less than a 6 figure salary has any business listening to or voting for a Tory government, don't you? You do know that while people are taking out their frustrations on the poor and desperate, MPs have given themselves an 11% pay rise and Tory Peers are claiming £300 a day for turning up to work and leaving 20 minutes later, don't you? There have always been a very small group of people who will try and get what they can by doing fuck all - since the dawn of time. All that is needed is a reformation of the system of distribution of JSA and Income Support. Do not be brainwashed by these fat cat bastards. Stick together, get them out. I for one want to live in a society that protects the poor, needy, children, disabled and the working class. They'd bring back workhouses if they could. Thatcher's children. Divide and Conquer. Don't be fooled." Thatcher's bastard children. | |||
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"occasional bottle. benifits is not for luxury s it's there to help u get by and if u have kids don't u think its a bit selfish spending it on drinks and fags? it would be for those that spend it all on fags and booze and whatever. yes I agree. however that is not what has been said, in brief anyone on benefits should get food tokens and not be allowed to spend it of fags or booze. My challenge is that why should the majority be penalised due to a minority?" don't like it I would say get a job and spend ur money what u have earned on what ever u like | |||
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