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" but our circles do not include gay or bi people lol" are you not Bi? same thing really if str8 females were wary of you crossing boundaries, or you were going to pounce on them without invitation or they just dont like bi fems or lesbians. phobia is phobia. | |||
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"lol well im terrified of rats but cant remember the last time i stood hurling negative abuse at one" but did you want to get rid of it? | |||
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"Of course, we shouldn't forget that many of the most vocal homophobes may well be masking their own insecurities about their sexuality!" That has to be the most closed and ridiculous argument I have ever heard and it's use always irritates me. If I scream out loud how much I hate something then I MUST be one. If I say nothing and don't condemn then it's assumed I am one. Kinda leaves a person with nowhere to go and no defence doesn't it? | |||
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"Of course, we shouldn't forget that many of the most vocal homophobes may well be masking their own insecurities about their sexuality! That has to be the most closed and ridiculous argument I have ever heard and it's use always irritates me. If I scream out loud how much I hate something then I MUST be one. If I say nothing and don't condemn then it's assumed I am one. Kinda leaves a person with nowhere to go and no defence doesn't it?" I couldn't agree with you more Wishy. As a heterosuxual guy I am happy with who I am and what I am. The generalisation of many that assume that because I say I'm straight on my profile means I must be at least Bi curious infuriates me. It also annoys me when I'm called ignorant and bigotted. I won't say I've investigated homosexuallity in any depth at all because it really does not float my boat but I do know that it is not me and not for me. | |||
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"Of course, we shouldn't forget that many of the most vocal homophobes may well be masking their own insecurities about their sexuality! That has to be the most closed and ridiculous argument I have ever heard and it's use always irritates me. If I scream out loud how much I hate something then I MUST be one. If I say nothing and don't condemn then it's assumed I am one. Kinda leaves a person with nowhere to go and no defence doesn't it?" * nods * | |||
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"Of course, we shouldn't forget that many of the most vocal homophobes may well be masking their own insecurities about their sexuality! That has to be the most closed and ridiculous argument I have ever heard and it's use always irritates me. If I scream out loud how much I hate something then I MUST be one. If I say nothing and don't condemn then it's assumed I am one. Kinda leaves a person with nowhere to go and no defence doesn't it? * nods *" I loathe hate and detest paedophiles with every fibre of my being....doesn't make me one  | |||
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"Of course, we shouldn't forget that many of the most vocal homophobes may well be masking their own insecurities about their sexuality! That has to be the most closed and ridiculous argument I have ever heard and it's use always irritates me. If I scream out loud how much I hate something then I MUST be one. If I say nothing and don't condemn then it's assumed I am one. Kinda leaves a person with nowhere to go and no defence doesn't it? * nods * I loathe hate and detest paedophiles with every fibre of my being....doesn't make me one "My point precisely. QED. | |||
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"i think ur right about the word homophobia but im sure i wasnt mentioning that word...i think...yes im sure i mentioned the word phobic..lol which comes from the greeks many hundreds of yrs ao which started off as phobas...lol" Phobic-phobia = same meaning, a fear of. | |||
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"It is the fear that homophobia instills in gay people that explains the use of the word to describe it. Perhaps not so much in today's society as it did pre-1960 when gays were routinely beaten up with the Law turning a blind eye to such crimes. If a group of people had a grudge about heterosexual people I doubt it would be labelled heterophobia as it wouldn't instill much fear in those of us who are heteroseuxual, we'd probably just laugh at them, so maybe humerophobia would be a better description. ------------------------------------- This is a poem about the pain that victims of homophobia have to endure, often in silence and alone. ------------------------------------- THE CRUELTY OF CROWDS In solitude, he sat on a window sill, He had never felt so utterly lost. Through misty windows, he mused until - A clock chime reminded him of the cost. That he had loved, he had loved in ritual, The baying of mobs was always too loud; The tenderness of the individual, Hidden from the cruelty of the crowd. ~ Believing in his orientation, He was the one that would always suffer. A Quentin Crisp in an alien nation; Tender loving for his sexual buffer. Beaten and bloody by a phobic mewl: In dim alleyways he fearfully cowed, This tenderness of an individual, Hidden from the cruelty of the crowd." To me its pointless debating the semantics....whatever we call it.. it is still real...and active in today's society...in both covert and overt forms...L.G.B.T.G...help lines are inundated...with peeps seeking support and advise re "homophobic" attacks and discrimination... Nice choice of moving poetry wishy...there you go surprising me again  | |||
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"'homo' : man 'phobia' : fear of The word 'homophobia' was created by men when it was men who were the scholars of the world and women had zero input into academia and the development of language. One can derive from that that learned men sought to create a word that described the fear of sexual contact between two men, it is condemned in the bible don't forget. Man shall not lay with man, yet before the constructs of organised religion same sex orgies were commonplace throughout the world and there was no dogma attached to same sex relationships. In some societies it was considered perverse not to be involved in a same sex relationship. Bearing all of this in mind I think organised religion has a lot to do with the bigotry that is homophobia and yet perversely the Catholic Church is under the most intense scrutiny that is has ever been subjected to for not keeping it's own priests in order with regard to homosexual clergymen who have preyed on boys. Islam also actively promotes the persecution of homosexuals as it regards it as an act of evil. One could argue that homophobia is not the fear of gay men per se but the fear that condoning acts of what the Church considers to be perverse will lead to the destruction of the faith and the fall of man itself. The fear is deep rooted than most realise I suspect." Sorry, but you are so wrong with your ancient Greek language and culture. The ancient Greek meaning of "homo" is "same", not man as you state, from which we get the word homosexual, meaning attraction between the SAME (homo) gender - it therefore applies to women too. It also gives us the word homogenous, used to descibe a material that is the same throughout, for example. The ancient Greek for "man" is anthropos, from which we get words like anthropology. That is, the "homo" part has nothing to do with "man". Homosexual, derived from the Greek, actually means "same gender sexuality", and applies to either gender. Taking it further, homophobia would mean "fear of the same", which would actually be a fear of same-gender sexuality - that is, you are straight. It wouldn't actually mean a fear of homosexuals themselves. Furthermore, phobia also means a dislike, in the same way you might dislike a curry. A phobia most certainly is not a hatred. Finally, the ancient Greeks did not frown upon homosexuality, in many parts of society, for example, the military, or athletes, they actively encouraged it. They would however frown upon our current usage of the word homophobia as a travesty of their language. | |||
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"i certainly need help on this minor problem, we(girls in the office today)were having a healthy debate about the word homophobic as one of the girls has a brother and he is always complaining about the hurtfull comments he recieves about he being gay.. i looked in the dictionary and the word phobic comes from a very old greek term to "" fear or morbid fear"" so this means the dictionary is totally wrong(which i very much doubt)or the gay scene has it wrong nasty comments held against gay people cant be phobic it can only be hatred...its a funny old world we live in..lol stella..xxxx" Words and their meaning change through time, would you use the word Gay to describe your happy, cheerful etc rather than like same sex, sex? The world and his dog, understands what homophobic means in 2010. | |||
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"The world and his dog, understands what homophobic means in 2010." Maybe, but the problem is that those who disagree with homosexuality, for whatever reason, are described as homophobic, whereas in every other aspect of life phobic is used to describe a fear, as in agoraphobic, for example. Those who fear open space, or those who fear water, would agree with being labelled agoraphobic or aquaphobic. Those who disagree with homosexuality take issue with being labelled homophobic because they would not agree that they have such a fear. If you disagree with paedophilia would you agree that you are paedophobic, or paedophiliaphobic ? | |||
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"What word would like to use (bigot, fuddy duddy, narrow minded, intolerantly et al, etc etc)?" Yes, any of the above will do, except perhaps bigot, which should be constrained to religious use. Homophobic is such a naff made up word - fear of the same ! | |||
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"What word would like to use (bigot, fuddy duddy, narrow minded, intolerantly et al, etc etc)? Yes, any of the above will do, except perhaps bigot, which should be constrained to religious use. Homophobic is such a naff made up word - fear of the same !" Needs another word to go with them, if that all you have... | |||
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"'homo' : man 'phobia' : fear of The word 'homophobia' was created by men when it was men who were the scholars of the world and women had zero input into academia and the development of language. One can derive from that that learned men sought to create a word that described the fear of sexual contact between two men, it is condemned in the bible don't forget. Man shall not lay with man, yet before the constructs of organised religion same sex orgies were commonplace throughout the world and there was no dogma attached to same sex relationships. In some societies it was considered perverse not to be involved in a same sex relationship. Bearing all of this in mind I think organised religion has a lot to do with the bigotry that is homophobia and yet perversely the Catholic Church is under the most intense scrutiny that is has ever been subjected to for not keeping it's own priests in order with regard to homosexual clergymen who have preyed on boys. Islam also actively promotes the persecution of homosexuals as it regards it as an act of evil. One could argue that homophobia is not the fear of gay men per se but the fear that condoning acts of what the Church considers to be perverse will lead to the destruction of the faith and the fall of man itself. The fear is deep rooted than most realise I suspect. Sorry, but you are so wrong with your ancient Greek language and culture. The ancient Greek meaning of "homo" is "same", not man as you state, from which we get the word homosexual, meaning attraction between the SAME (homo) gender - it therefore applies to women too. It also gives us the word homogenous, used to descibe a material that is the same throughout, for example. The ancient Greek for "man" is anthropos, from which we get words like anthropology. That is, the "homo" part has nothing to do with "man". Homosexual, derived from the Greek, actually means "same gender sexuality", and applies to either gender. Taking it further, homophobia would mean "fear of the same", which would actually be a fear of same-gender sexuality - that is, you are straight. It wouldn't actually mean a fear of homosexuals themselves. Furthermore, phobia also means a dislike, in the same way you might dislike a curry. A phobia most certainly is not a hatred. Finally, the ancient Greeks did not frown upon homosexuality, in many parts of society, for example, the military, or athletes, they actively encouraged it. They would however frown upon our current usage of the word homophobia as a travesty of their language." I suggest that before you correct me incorrectly that you perform some research yourself. I found the following definitions for the word 'homo' in 5 seconds: ~~~~ homo noun 1: someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex [syn: homosexual, gay] 2: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae [syn: man, human being, human] Source: WordNet (r) 2.0 ~~ Homo- \Ho"mo-\ A combining form from Gr. "omo`s, one and the same, common, joint. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) ~~ HOMO. This Latin word, in its most enlarged sense, includes both man and woman. 2 Inst. 45. Vide Man. Source: Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) ~~ So you see we are both correct. | |||
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"i like homer simpson does that count? "No, don't be silly, he's a cartoon and you can't have sex with a cartoon unless you're Bob Hoskins!! | |||
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" I suggest that before you correct me incorrectly that you perform some research yourself. I found the following definitions for the word 'homo' in 5 seconds: ~~~~ homo noun 1: someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex [syn: homosexual, gay] 2: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae [syn: man, human being, human] Source: WordNet (r) 2.0 ~~ Homo- \Ho"mo-\ A combining form from Gr. "omo`s, one and the same, common, joint. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) ~~ HOMO. This Latin word, in its most enlarged sense, includes both man and woman. 2 Inst. 45. Vide Man. Source: Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) ~~ So you see we are both correct. "Sorry, but we are not both correct. Nor do I need to research it before "incorrectly" correcting you, I have been able to read, write, and speak Latin and ancient Greek for some thirty years now. The word homophobic derives from two Greek words, where the Greek homo means "same", as I said earlier, and which you have now found out from other sources. The Latin source you have discovered has nothing whatsoever to do with the word homosexuality, the Latin root gives us words like hominid, human, and thence on to homo sapiens, etc. The Greeks had one meaning for homo, the Romans another. Homophobic comes from the Greek only, and does not mean fear of men. Note that your Latin source identifies homo with man, in fact, with human, your Greek source identifies the word as meaning "same", which is what I said eralier. My correction of your misunderstanding of ancient Greek was correct. | |||
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" I suggest that before you correct me incorrectly that you perform some research yourself. I found the following definitions for the word 'homo' in 5 seconds: ~~~~ homo noun 1: someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex [syn: homosexual, gay] 2: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae [syn: man, human being, human] Source: WordNet (r) 2.0 ~~ Homo- \Ho"mo-\ A combining form from Gr. "omo`s, one and the same, common, joint. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) ~~ HOMO. This Latin word, in its most enlarged sense, includes both man and woman. 2 Inst. 45. Vide Man. Source: Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) ~~ So you see we are both correct.
Sorry, but we are not both correct. Nor do I need to research it before "incorrectly" correcting you, I have been able to read, write, and speak Latin and ancient Greek for some thirty years now."Yes of course you have. You're right and the rest of the literary world is wrong, just because you've been seaking Greek AND Latin for thirty years. I wonder what the odds would be on encountering a fellow swinger on a swinging forum who can speak, read & write both Greek AND Latin fluently. | |||
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" Yes of course you have. You're right and the rest of the literary world is wrong, just because you've been seaking Greek AND Latin for thirty years. I wonder what the odds would be on encountering a fellow swinger on a swinging forum who can speak, read & write both Greek AND Latin fluently. "The rest of the literary world agrees with me. You cannot find any source that shows that the word homophobic means a fear of men which is what you originally posted ! Or, as the Romans would have said : QED | |||
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" Yes of course you have. You're right and the rest of the literary world is wrong, just because you've been seaking Greek AND Latin for thirty years. I wonder what the odds would be on encountering a fellow swinger on a swinging forum who can speak, read & write both Greek AND Latin fluently.
The rest of the literary world agrees with me. You cannot find any source that shows that the word homophobic means a fear of men which is what you originally posted !
Or, as the Romans would have said : QED"Source: dictionary.com ho·mo·pho·bi·a (ho'm?-fo'be-?) n. 1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. 2. Behavior based on such a feeling. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition ~ Source: Collins Online homophobia n. an intense hatred or fear of homosexuals. homo(sexual) + phobia If you take it that the word homosexual as derived from the Greek it would mean the fear of same. If you intepret it from the Latin it would mean fear of sex with members of the same sex. I've never seen a female homosexual, as they are known as lesbians, so the term homosexual applies to men. Thus, homophobia means fear of sex with men. I know you're aren't going to accept this so this will be my last word on it in here. A closed mind is a limited tool. | |||
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"untill my late teens i always thought that when someone was said to be HOMEOphobic it meant they were like myself and scared to go HOME when they knew they were in trouble LOL "God, I remember that feeling - every school report day!! | |||
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"untill my late teens i always thought that when someone was said to be HOMEOphobic it meant they were like myself and scared to go HOME when they knew they were in trouble LOL
God, I remember that feeling - every school report day!! "what only on school report day ???? you goody goody you
i can remember me DA standing behind the door with his leather belt on many occations | |||
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"i certainly need help on this minor problem, we(girls in the office today)were having a healthy debate about the word homophobic as one of the girls has a brother and he is always complaining about the hurtfull comments he recieves about he being gay.. i looked in the dictionary and the word phobic comes from a very old greek term to "" fear or morbid fear"" so this means the dictionary is totally wrong(which i very much doubt)or the gay scene has it wrong nasty comments held against gay people cant be phobic it can only be hatred...its a funny old world we live in..lol stella..xxxx" So the word is correct - it means a fear of homosexuals - fear can also turn to hatred or contempt - the ancient Greeks were pretty clever you know! Z | |||
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" So the word is correct - it means a fear of homosexuals - fear can also turn to hatred or contempt - the ancient Greeks were pretty clever you know! Z" Or more correctly, a fear of same-gender sexuality, which in practice can be regarded as fear of homosexuals. My point is that it isn't fear of men, that would be androphobia or somesuch, and that often those who oppose homosexuality aren't necessarily afraid of it. I oppose peadophilia, but I don't fear paedophiles. "the ancient Greeks were pretty clever you know!" yes, and they've given us a lot towards our language and culture, but apart from that, what have the Romans done for us ? | |||
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" So the word is correct - it means a fear of homosexuals - fear can also turn to hatred or contempt - the ancient Greeks were pretty clever you know! Z Or more correctly, a fear of same-gender sexuality, which in practice can be regarded as fear of homosexuals. My point is that it isn't fear of men, that would be androphobia or somesuch, and that often those who oppose homosexuality aren't necessarily afraid of it. I oppose peadophilia, but I don't fear paedophiles. "the ancient Greeks were pretty clever you know!" yes, and they've given us a lot towards our language and culture, but apart from that, what have the Romans done for us ?" lol - what have the romans done - lol absolutely nothing! Z | |||
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"lots of quotes, but has anyone come up with another word to replace homophobic? Which means dislike of the same sex, sex liking people... " Sticking with ancient Greek, that would be homerotophobia or homoerotophobia, a word which was actually used before homophobia. You'd need the ero bit so that it actually refers to sexuality. If you feared the opposite sex, you could use heteroerotophobia. | |||
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"lots of quotes, but has anyone come up with another word to replace homophobic? Which means dislike of the same sex, sex liking people... Sticking with ancient Greek, that would be homerotophobia or homoerotophobia, a word which was actually used before homophobia. You'd need the ero bit so that it actually refers to sexuality. If you feared the opposite sex, you could use heteroerotophobia." Whats ancient Greek for...YOU GEEK...??? | |||
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" Whats ancient Greek for...YOU GEEK...??? "isn't it bimbos ? | |||
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" Whats ancient Greek for...YOU GEEK...???
isn't it bimbos ?"
LOVING IT... | |||
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"p.s. Try and learn how the quote system works on here as it helps to break up a long and boring passage of text and shows what you are quoting and what is your own words. " You've lost your argument, and the best you can do is start to criticise how somebody uses a website that isn't yours ? Putting quotes inside quote marks has been a technique that's been around for a long time, that's why they are called quote marks. Simples, again. | |||
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" Whats ancient Greek for...YOU GEEK...???
isn't it bimbos ?
LOVING IT... "now, repeat after me, amo, amas, amat.... | |||
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