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over a year ago
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hi Super D here. i would like to get your opinion on donor,s? i have a heart condition which means i would be extremely lucky to have a long life but thats not to say im not happy because i im. ive been thinking alot latly about sighning the donor sheet at the hospital so if theres a chance anything i have can save someone else then i should. The only thing that scares me is that who would it be that im saving. will it be good person that deserves to live or a bad person who does not need a second chance i.e. killers, pedos. Thanks for reading x |
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I only have one kidney and am on the donor list for the day I pop my clogs, A life is a life, you can not add a clause as to who can have your body parts, just hope that they do get used and save lives |
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"I only have one kidney and am on the donor list for the day I pop my clogs, A life is a life, you can not add a clause as to who can have your body parts, just hope that they do get used and save lives "
 I go with this |
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My cousin has cystic fibrosis and when she was 11 she had a heart and lung transplant. Channel 4 did a documentary about her as she was one of the youngest people in the uk to have such a huge operation. Thankfully she is now 18 and and amazing young woman with dreams and ambitions and without donors she would no longer be here. I plan on donating absolutely everything I can when it's time. |
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I've thought about the idea however the question that pops into my head is if I'm a donor and have a condition that could cause me to die would the hospital do all they can to save me? Or decide it's not cost effective for me and my body can be used to save say several other people, and therefore let me die in order to save more.
Morbid I know but does it happen? |
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"When you give a gift there are no strings or caveats.
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^ this. If it concerns you "who" your gift may go to, maybe it's not a good idea.
That said what a fantastic gift to be able to give. |
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"How much of the body can actually be recycled ?"
Check the ingredients list on a pack of Tesco value burgers!... 
Seriously though, there's a Hell of a lot that can be donated and more is being added to the list year on year... |
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"How much of the body can actually be recycled ?
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From wikipedia
"Organs that can be transplanted are the heart, kidneys, liver, lungs, pancreas, intestine, and thymus. Tissues include bones, tendons (both referred to as musculoskeletal grafts), cornea, skin, heart valves, nerves and veins."
I've been on the donor list for years and as I've now had a heart attack and cataracts (at different times  my heart, lungs and eyes won't be much use but hopefully the rest will be.
The interesting organ is the liver, if the recipient is small they can trim it down to fit and they can fit a small liver into a big person and it will grow to fit. A bit like putting a mini-engine in a muscle car and it growing up to be a V8  |
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over a year ago
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I'm on the donor list. I believe everyone should be. If you or a family member were ill you would want a transplant
Also when we are dead do we really need our organs? There's a few parts of my body they definitely won't want anymore but the rest they are welcome too |
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From a Nurse's point of view. ..pretty much everything can be donated, even skin and ligaments.
However there is a specific time frame and must be done quickly.
You mentioned about a life limiting conditon, if medical help can give you quality of life for your remaining life then so be it, but if you are admitted in such a state where it is inlikely unlikely you will survive, then the LCP can be used.
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"I'm on the donor list. I believe everyone should be. If you or a family member were ill you would want a transplant
Also when we are dead do we really need our organs? There's a few parts of my body they definitely won't want anymore but the rest they are welcome too "
Do you mean the opt out rather than opt in policy? I think I agree. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm on the donor list. I believe everyone should be. If you or a family member were ill you would want a transplant
Also when we are dead do we really need our organs? There's a few parts of my body they definitely won't want anymore but the rest they are welcome too
Do you mean the opt out rather than opt in policy? I think I agree. "
Yes I do |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm on the donor list. I believe everyone should be. If you or a family member were ill you would want a transplant
Also when we are dead do we really need our organs? There's a few parts of my body they definitely won't want anymore but the rest they are welcome too "
Totally agree.
I have quite a good guess which parts of your body wd be too worn to be donated |
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"I'm on the donor list. I believe everyone should be. If you or a family member were ill you would want a transplant
Also when we are dead do we really need our organs? There's a few parts of my body they definitely won't want anymore but the rest they are welcome too
Totally agree.
I have quite a good guess which parts of your body wd be too worn to be donated "
What you guessing? I think you will be wrong  |
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"I'm on the donor list. I believe everyone should be. If you or a family member were ill you would want a transplant
Also when we are dead do we really need our organs? There's a few parts of my body they definitely won't want anymore but the rest they are welcome too
Totally agree.
I have quite a good guess which parts of your body wd be too worn to be donated
What you guessing? I think you will be wrong "
Your lips coz you like kissing too much :P |
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"How much of the body can actually be recycled ?
From wikipedia
"Organs that can be transplanted are the heart, kidneys, liver, lungs, pancreas, intestine, and thymus. Tissues include bones, tendons (both referred to as musculoskeletal grafts), cornea, skin, heart valves, nerves and veins."
I've been on the donor list for years and as I've now had a heart attack and cataracts (at different times my heart, lungs and eyes won't be much use but hopefully the rest will be.
The interesting organ is the liver, if the recipient is small they can trim it down to fit and they can fit a small liver into a big person and it will grow to fit. A bit like putting a mini-engine in a muscle car and it growing up to be a V8 "
The worrying thing is you use Wikipedia for info. |
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To the OP I would say.
If you become a donor and your body parts are eventually used they are allocated on purely medical (the most important being compatibility) rather than moral or financial criteria in the UK and this is the way it should be.
I would also say that unless you have some pressing moral objection to having your body used for transplant harvesting then you should registrar and that should be the default setting for everyone. I would further say that anyone that opts out of being an organ donor should automatically loose the right to becoming an organ recipient. |
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Im a registered organ donor. Actually i think all of my extended family are.
We also are blood donors.
I actually had to 'argue' this for an English assignment once & my argument that if someone you loved needed an organ... Would you accept one?
Then why not donate yourself ..
Scored high with the assignment but people just don't want to think about it never mind discuss it sensibly  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would also say that unless you have some pressing moral objection to having your body used for transplant harvesting then you should registrar and that should be the default setting for everyone. I would further say that anyone that opts out of being an organ donor should automatically loose the right to becoming an organ recipient."
I agree with this |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To the OP I would say.
If you become a donor and your body parts are eventually used they are allocated on purely medical (the most important being compatibility) rather than moral or financial criteria in the UK and this is the way it should be.
I would also say that unless you have some pressing moral objection to having your body used for transplant harvesting then you should registrar and that should be the default setting for everyone. I would further say that anyone that opts out of being an organ donor should automatically loose the right to becoming an organ recipient."
Why should they lose that right?!
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"To the OP I would say.
If you become a donor and your body parts are eventually used they are allocated on purely medical (the most important being compatibility) rather than moral or financial criteria in the UK and this is the way it should be.
I would also say that unless you have some pressing moral objection to having your body used for transplant harvesting then you should registrar and that should be the default setting for everyone. I would further say that anyone that opts out of being an organ donor should automatically loose the right to becoming an organ recipient.
Why should they lose that right?!
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Why should they get organs if needed when they won't give up theirs when no longer needed? |
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"To the OP I would say.
If you become a donor and your body parts are eventually used they are allocated on purely medical (the most important being compatibility) rather than moral or financial criteria in the UK and this is the way it should be.
I would also say that unless you have some pressing moral objection to having your body used for transplant harvesting then you should registrar and that should be the default setting for everyone. I would further say that anyone that opts out of being an organ donor should automatically loose the right to becoming an organ recipient.
Why should they lose that right?!
Why should they get organs if needed when they won't give up theirs when no longer needed?"
As you said in your post they could have moral objections or religious ones or other reasons only them they know. Diesnt necessarily mean they are being selfish for not donating. Also as it has been said in the first few posts. Of u donate it should be for the sake of saving someones life regadless whos life is it saving. When a doctor have an emergency patient they dont go and check their criminal recirds or judge them on their personalities before they decide wether they deserve their life to be saved or not. When it comes to saving a life these conciderations are not to be taken into account in the medical ethics. Even war prisonners should be treated and life saved in wars. IMOP  |
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I don't care who gets my organs when I'm dead. It goes on top priority and compatibility and that's the way it should be. I just think if you aren't willing to donate yours why should you receive. Obviously there will be some people who cant but if the majority did then there could be a lot more lives saved, instead of just organs being wasted. Just my opinion on the subject and ofcourse everyone's welcome to theirs |
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Just to add to that. The person who has opted out and is in need for a transplant could possibly be a doctor or a charity activist or a fire man and they have may be saved many lives. may be not by chosing to donate but in other ways |
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"Just to add to that. The person who has opted out and is in need for a transplant could possibly be a doctor or a charity activist or a fire man and they have may be saved many lives. may be not by chosing to donate but in other ways "
Yeah but they should understand how important organ donation is. And although I'm here supporting organ donation I guess in the respect of family members you can never know what you would do unless in the situation. I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision |
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"Just to add to that. The person who has opted out and is in need for a transplant could possibly be a doctor or a charity activist or a fire man and they have may be saved many lives. may be not by chosing to donate but in other ways
Yeah but they should understand how important organ donation is. And although I'm here supporting organ donation I guess in the respect of family members you can never know what you would do unless in the situation. I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision "
I agree. There should be more efforts done to encourage people to donate. We all know what it and how it is important to save a human life. At tge same time its not an easy decision to make for any person. There are many factors that wd make people hesitate and not decide to donate. Culture needs changed though. Religious organisations can play a big role in raising awarness and encouraging ppl. I dont think by putting ppl in a pushy choice will be encouraging in any way no matter how just and fair it might sound |
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"As you said in your post they could have moral objections or religious ones or other reasons only them they know. Diesnt necessarily mean they are being selfish for not donating."
OK, I'll bite...
Please explain to me how anyone could have moral or religious objections to donating organs but not to receiving organs? |
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"As you said in your post they could have moral objections or religious ones or other reasons only them they know. Diesnt necessarily mean they are being selfish for not donating.
OK, I'll bite...
Please explain to me how anyone could have moral or religious objections to donating organs but not to receiving organs?"
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision "
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation. |
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"As you said in your post they could have moral objections or religious ones or other reasons only them they know. Diesnt necessarily mean they are being selfish for not donating.
OK, I'll bite...
Please explain to me how anyone could have moral or religious objections to donating organs but not to receiving organs?"
Its hard for me in English but I will do my best. For ppl who take their beleives seriously. Donating organs is still a big debate amongst religious scolars from different faiths and within the same religion just as well. Some scollars are objecting it according to their interpretation of their relgious values and vues. I cant and dont have the kowledge to go into details about those views in different religions, cultures that object it but its an actual debate that make ppl hesitate. Add to that the horrible thought of your body being cut to pieces after your death or your relatves body ect. |
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The chances are that in the future my brother will need a lung transplant. People with Cystic Fibrosis often do. With that in mind, I have done charity events for an organ donation charity, Live Life then Give Life, which was set up by 2 women with Cystic Fibrosis. I lost a friend many years ago who didn't get his transplant in time.
I am on the donor list. I think it should be an opt out policy and quite honestly I think if you aren't prepared to donate your organs then you shouldn't be prepared to receive them. |
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation."
That is quite extreme. What gives the governement the right to own peoples bodies and decide what to do with them instead of their owners! Even Hetler never thought to do this lol |
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Have read some comments on organ donation and while im on the donar list i do feel that in the future with the pressure and possible privatization of NHS that organ harvesting will be done all to soon for the person on the operating table . There is also the ethical question of were the organs are used . Take for instance Ian Huntley is on the list for say liver . But he is given the organ as oppossed to a 9 year old child in the next county . I fully understand that there is a match criteria but if you forfite your right and act like a animal do your forfiet the right to be treated as a human |
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over a year ago
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation.
That is quite extreme. What gives the governement the right to own peoples bodies and decide what to do with them instead of their owners! Even Hetler never thought to do this lol"
So long as the opt-out is in place I see no problem. If someone is considered compos mentis enough to write a will, surely they can decide what becomes of the remains after death.
I don't see what right it is of a next of kin to second guess the deceased. Few enough bodies are available and suitable for transplant we should make the most of those which are.
Mind you, that'll have resource implications - which may be why the government isn't keen. |
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"hi Super D here. i would like to get your opinion on donor,s? i have a heart condition which means i would be extremely lucky to have a long life but thats not to say im not happy because i im. ive been thinking alot latly about sighning the donor sheet at the hospital so if theres a chance anything i have can save someone else then i should. The only thing that scares me is that who would it be that im saving. will it be good person that deserves to live or a bad person who does not need a second chance i.e. killers, pedos. Thanks for reading x"
You won't be the one choosing who it goes to, so don't worry about it. I'm sure the person receiving it won't reject it if they discover you're not a Nobel winning humanitarian. |
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"As you said in your post they could have moral objections or religious ones or other reasons only them they know. Diesnt necessarily mean they are being selfish for not donating.
OK, I'll bite...
Please explain to me how anyone could have moral or religious objections to donating organs but not to receiving organs?
Its hard for me in English but I will do my best. For ppl who take their beleives seriously. Donating organs is still a big debate amongst religious scolars from different faiths and within the same religion just as well. Some scollars are objecting it according to their interpretation of their relgious values and vues. I cant and dont have the kowledge to go into details about those views in different religions, cultures that object it but its an actual debate that make ppl hesitate. Add to that the horrible thought of your body being cut to pieces after your death or your relatves body ect. "
So it is wrong for your body to be cut open and have parts removed after you die. But its OK to cut open someone else and remove parts after they die?
And you do not see the contradiction?
Sounds just like a medieval religious potentate. Shame that we still have such bigots ruling so many in the 21st Century. |
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation.
That is quite extreme. What gives the governement the right to own peoples bodies and decide what to do with them instead of their owners! Even Hetler never thought to do this lol"
You misunderstand: the suggestion is that the donor's wish should prevail and shouldn't be countered by their family's ideas. The Gov'mt could ensure that someone's Donor Codicil will be a legal document, if you wish, so the medics can act upon it straightaway. |
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation."
When my husband died suddenly at home probably the hardest phone conversation I had was with the organ transplant co-ordinator. Being told that not just I but also both his parents and surviving siblings ALL had to give permission despite him having carried a donor card, written it into his will, it almost tore the family apart. His mother had always been against donation and without it we couldn't proceed. Yes we could have lied to the co-ordinator, in the end we stooped low and effectively blackmailed her into agreeing. Do I feel bad about it. Of course not, it was my husbands wishes and come hell or high water they were going to be fulfilled. I've always been angry though that red tape put us in such an awful position the day after he died however.
If you are on the donor list (or thinking of going on it) please don't think its just a case of adding your name to a list. Please please please make it quite clear to those nearest to you what your wishes are. At the end of the day it currently comes down to their decision. |
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation.
That is quite extreme. What gives the governement the right to own peoples bodies and decide what to do with them instead of their owners! Even Hetler never thought to do this lol"
Actually that's exactly what Hitler and the Nazis did, they used slave labour and when slaves died they recovered everything usable from the corpses for profit!
Organ harvesting is not about profit its about increasing the quality of life for those with failing organs. |
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"When you give a gift there are no strings or caveats.
^ this. If it concerns you "who" your gift may go to, maybe it's not a good idea.
That said what a fantastic gift to be able to give. "
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"As you said in your post they could have moral objections or religious ones or other reasons only them they know. Diesnt necessarily mean they are being selfish for not donating.
OK, I'll bite...
Please explain to me how anyone could have moral or religious objections to donating organs but not to receiving organs?
Its hard for me in English but I will do my best. For ppl who take their beleives seriously. Donating organs is still a big debate amongst religious scolars from different faiths and within the same religion just as well. Some scollars are objecting it according to their interpretation of their relgious values and vues. I cant and dont have the kowledge to go into details about those views in different religions, cultures that object it but its an actual debate that make ppl hesitate. Add to that the horrible thought of your body being cut to pieces after your death or your relatves body ect.
So it is wrong for your body to be cut open and have parts removed after you die. But its OK to cut open someone else and remove parts after they die?
And you do not see the contradiction?
Sounds just like a medieval religious potentate. Shame that we still have such bigots ruling so many in the 21st Century. "
Again its a personal choice. Those who has their bodies cut they chose to do so so others can be saved.
Those are your views and morals. Its immoral to treat others who dont share the same values as you and have a faith they take seriously as bigots ect. everyone is free to adopt the faith they wish. We are in the 21st century as u said and we should be civilised enough to respect peoples freedom regardless of the differences in values and opinions u have with them. Extremism always start from a good cause |
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation.
When my husband died suddenly at home probably the hardest phone conversation I had was with the organ transplant co-ordinator. Being told that not just I but also both his parents and surviving siblings ALL had to give permission despite him having carried a donor card, written it into his will, it almost tore the family apart. His mother had always been against donation and without it we couldn't proceed. Yes we could have lied to the co-ordinator, in the end we stooped low and effectively blackmailed her into agreeing. Do I feel bad about it. Of course not, it was my husbands wishes and come hell or high water they were going to be fulfilled. I've always been angry though that red tape put us in such an awful position the day after he died however.
If you are on the donor list (or thinking of going on it) please don't think its just a case of adding your name to a list. Please please please make it quite clear to those nearest to you what your wishes are. At the end of the day it currently comes down to their decision."
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation.
That is quite extreme. What gives the governement the right to own peoples bodies and decide what to do with them instead of their owners! Even Hetler never thought to do this lol
Actually that's exactly what Hitler and the Nazis did, they used slave labour and when slaves died they recovered everything usable from the corpses for profit!
Organ harvesting is not about profit its about increasing the quality of life for those with failing organs. "
Well I hope the time of dictatorship and slavery is gone. Nothing could justfy either |
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"Some lucky guy can have my cock when I'm gone lol.
lol i think if u had a cock transplant ud want more than just an average one  "
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over a year ago
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Interesting post...I had a transplant 8yrs ago and sadly it will only be lasting up to another yr due to complications I always knew it wouldn't last forever. So for obvious reasons I'm all for donation....im on the donor register but have been since I was 18 way before I knew it would be part if my life and will happily let any part of me hopefully help others when the time comes.  |
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over a year ago
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"Interesting post...I had a transplant 8yrs ago and sadly it will only be lasting up to another yr due to complications I always knew it wouldn't last forever. So for obvious reasons I'm all for donation....im on the donor register but have been since I was 18 way before I knew it would be part if my life and will happily let any part of me hopefully help others when the time comes. "
I hope everything goes well for you x |
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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago
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"I never want to lose my children and don't know how I would react if I had to decide because no one wants their child cutting up but then if you can save a few children's lives too maybe I would. Hopefully I will never have to make that decision
Now there is one of the real problems of organ donation. No matter the relationship permission has to be granted by the next of kin prior to organ harvesting. And this is needed within hours of death when those who have to give permission are suffering raw grief. This should not be the case, our government should remove this problem by making the default setting be donation.
When my husband died suddenly at home probably the hardest phone conversation I had was with the organ transplant co-ordinator. Being told that not just I but also both his parents and surviving siblings ALL had to give permission despite him having carried a donor card, written it into his will, it almost tore the family apart. His mother had always been against donation and without it we couldn't proceed. Yes we could have lied to the co-ordinator, in the end we stooped low and effectively blackmailed her into agreeing. Do I feel bad about it. Of course not, it was my husbands wishes and come hell or high water they were going to be fulfilled. I've always been angry though that red tape put us in such an awful position the day after he died however.
If you are on the donor list (or thinking of going on it) please don't think its just a case of adding your name to a list. Please please please make it quite clear to those nearest to you what your wishes are. At the end of the day it currently comes down to their decision."
That sounds a bit shambolic. Surely it would be more appropriate to only need the ok from the next of kin rather than the whole family? Talk about making a horrible situation even.more dificult for you. |
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"hi Super D here. i would like to get your opinion on donor,s? i have a heart condition which means i would be extremely lucky to have a long life but thats not to say im not happy because i im. ive been thinking alot latly about sighning the donor sheet at the hospital so if theres a chance anything i have can save someone else then i should. The only thing that scares me is that who would it be that im saving. will it be good person that deserves to live or a bad person who does not need a second chance i.e. killers, pedos. Thanks for reading x"
Turn this on its head, if your life could be saved by organ donation would you refuse the organ of a "pedo" or "killer"?
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"hi Super D here. i would like to get your opinion on donor,s? i have a heart condition which means i would be extremely lucky to have a long life but thats not to say im not happy because i im. ive been thinking alot latly about sighning the donor sheet at the hospital so if theres a chance anything i have can save someone else then i should. The only thing that scares me is that who would it be that im saving. will it be good person that deserves to live or a bad person who does not need a second chance i.e. killers, pedos. Thanks for reading x
Turn this on its head, if your life could be saved by organ donation would you refuse the organ of a "pedo" or "killer"?
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yes i would refuse it because if i dint refuse it i would think of the person that saved me everday and i dont want to think about people like that at all ever. |
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"hi Super D here. i would like to get your opinion on donor,s? i have a heart condition which means i would be extremely lucky to have a long life but thats not to say im not happy because i im. ive been thinking alot latly about sighning the donor sheet at the hospital so if theres a chance anything i have can save someone else then i should. The only thing that scares me is that who would it be that im saving. will it be good person that deserves to live or a bad person who does not need a second chance i.e. killers, pedos. Thanks for reading x
Turn this on its head, if your life could be saved by organ donation would you refuse the organ of a "pedo" or "killer"?
yes i would refuse it because if i dint refuse it i would think of the person that saved me everday and i dont want to think about people like that at all ever. "
I thought donors remained anonymous, and only in exceptional cases would that change. |
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I think that refusing to donate your organs after you are dead in selfish, stupid and ignorant. There is no reasonable excuse for refusing to do the right thing, no possible fear or belief can justify not saving a life. Also you cannot judge on who is worthy or not. Should someone who has never worked on contributed to society be entitled to care, housing, pension etc? Who is worthy of support and who deserves to live? These are questions we cannot ask. A life is a life. |
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over a year ago
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Definetly do it i am on it and being honest unless specifically confirmed by someone presumption should be organs are used as default.
i understand folk against it but why deny someone else a chance of longer life. |
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over a year ago
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Dead = dead. Why let potential lifesaving material/tissue rot away? Make donorship compulsary.
BTW: being a donor doesn't guarantee your bits being used. Depends on quite a few factors. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I think that refusing to donate your organs after you are dead in selfish, stupid and ignorant. There is no reasonable excuse for refusing to do the right thing, no possible fear or belief can justify not saving a life. Also you cannot judge on who is worthy or not. Should someone who has never worked on contributed to society be entitled to care, housing, pension etc? Who is worthy of support and who deserves to live? These are questions we cannot ask. A life is a life."
Everyone has to have the right not to donate but I agree that consent should be presumed and you should have to opt out if you don't want to donate.
Rembember though that more organs will mean more transplants will mean more intensive care will mean more cost. |
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"Rembember though that more organs will mean more transplants will mean more intensive care will mean more cost."
If that is a stumbling block, then being more ruthless with, say, unnecessary cosmetic surgery would be an option.
Or better co-ordination between various departments. How often don't you hear about treatments aborted or not carried out because of administrative oversight. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Rembember though that more organs will mean more transplants will mean more intensive care will mean more cost.
If that is a stumbling block, then being more ruthless with, say, unnecessary cosmetic surgery would be an option.
Or better co-ordination between various departments. How often don't you hear about treatments aborted or not carried out because of administrative oversight."
There's a thread (elsewhere) suggesting the NHS is dead or dying whilst this thread is about it doing more surgery.
We can't have both. |
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Rembember though that more organs will mean more transplants will mean more intensive care will mean more cost."
I don't think you can measure healthcare on a "return on investment" basis. If that was the case neonatal intensive care units would be shut down as they are very costly and sadly save only a small number lives. |
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"Rembember though that more organs will mean more transplants will mean more intensive care will mean more cost.
If that is a stumbling block, then being more ruthless with, say, unnecessary cosmetic surgery would be an option.
Or better co-ordination between various departments. How often don't you hear about treatments aborted or not carried out because of administrative oversight.
There's a thread (elsewhere) suggesting the NHS is dead or dying whilst this thread is about it doing more surgery.
We can't have both."
It was you who brought up the subject of cost, which I replied to. |
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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"This topic came up over lunch.
Does anyone know who actually OWNS a body after death? Does it always belong to the deceased or does it form part of the estate?"
next of kin I would assume but should go with their wishes if they carried a donor card |
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"Dead = dead. Why let potential lifesaving material/tissue rot away? Make donorship compulsary.
BTW: being a donor doesn't guarantee your bits being used. Depends on quite a few factors."
They could never make it compulsory. I for one would opt out if we were made to automatically be in. |
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"Dead = dead. Why let potential lifesaving material/tissue rot away? Make donorship compulsary.
BTW: being a donor doesn't guarantee your bits being used. Depends on quite a few factors.
They could never make it compulsory. I for one would opt out if we were made to automatically be in. "
And I for one would fully support your right to do so.
However actions should have consequences and I would also demand that you having opted out should also be excluded from all potential organ recipient lists.
You refuse to give, you loose the right to get, seems fair to me. What do you think? |
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"Dead = dead. Why let potential lifesaving material/tissue rot away? Make donorship compulsary.
BTW: being a donor doesn't guarantee your bits being used. Depends on quite a few factors.
They could never make it compulsory. I for one would opt out if we were made to automatically be in.
And I for one would fully support your right to do so.
However actions should have consequences and I would also demand that you having opted out should also be excluded from all potential organ recipient lists.
You refuse to give, you loose the right to get, seems fair to me. What do you think? "
For me yes.. but I would not allow my kids to be donors but would I guess not refuse them to have a transplant.
Seeing that I have an issue with my immune system being over active anyway.. chances are I wouldnt be allowed in the first place.. either to give or receive but I wouldn't be a donor myself and nor would I let my children( till the were of age of consent) to be either.
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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago
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"Dead = dead. Why let potential lifesaving material/tissue rot away? Make donorship compulsary.
BTW: being a donor doesn't guarantee your bits being used. Depends on quite a few factors.
They could never make it compulsory. I for one would opt out if we were made to automatically be in.
And I for one would fully support your right to do so.
However actions should have consequences and I would also demand that you having opted out should also be excluded from all potential organ recipient lists.
You refuse to give, you loose the right to get, seems fair to me. What do you think? "
Yes I agree with this. If you opt out of organ donation then you should be opting out of receiving aswell as donating |
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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago
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"Dead = dead. Why let potential lifesaving material/tissue rot away? Make donorship compulsary.
BTW: being a donor doesn't guarantee your bits being used. Depends on quite a few factors.
They could never make it compulsory. I for one would opt out if we were made to automatically be in.
And I for one would fully support your right to do so.
However actions should have consequences and I would also demand that you having opted out should also be excluded from all potential organ recipient lists.
You refuse to give, you loose the right to get, seems fair to me. What do you think?
For me yes.. but I would not allow my kids to be donors but would I guess not refuse them to have a transplant.
Seeing that I have an issue with my immune system being over active anyway.. chances are I wouldnt be allowed in the first place.. either to give or receive but I wouldn't be a donor myself and nor would I let my children( till the were of age of consent) to be either.
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But would be happy for other children to donate if your children were in need? |
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Yes I agree with this. If you opt out of organ donation then you should be opting out of receiving aswell as donating "
While I agree there is actually an issue that they cant actually do that.. as if they can save you they are meant to do all within their power.
My issues against is that I would worry that if I was injured they would decide to save many rather than me if I had a donor card.. I also dont like the idea of being cut up and not buried whole. |
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But would be happy for other children to donate if your children were in need?"
Yes.. and I know it sounds selfish but maybe their parents have differing thoughts on after death.. But for me my children are not being mutilated after they are dead.. ( heaven forbid it should ever happen)
But yes if they were in need I would expect them to get it. |
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Myself and other half carry a donor card, I am giving the lot. He wants to keep his eyes?? And can't give his pancreas, due to diabetes. Haven't really thought about who will benefit. Unfortunately it's not a choice we will have. |
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Unsure how I would feel/react god forbid I was faced with the choice wether or not to donate my 5yr olds organs. I would hope I would make the right choice, I'm sure I would.. There's one way to look at it, his organs, heart would keep on living/beating having saved another. It's a massive difficult area. |
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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago
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But would be happy for other children to donate if your children were in need?
Yes.. and I know it sounds selfish but maybe their parents have differing thoughts on after death.. But for me my children are not being mutilated after they are dead.. ( heaven forbid it should ever happen)
But yes if they were in need I would expect them to get it."
It is a horrible thing to think about and I always like to think that if anything ever happened to one of mine I would like to agree to their organs being used to give others the gift of life. But i can imagine it is far easier to say it in principle. |
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But would be happy for other children to donate if your children were in need?
Yes.. and I know it sounds selfish but maybe their parents have differing thoughts on after death.. But for me my children are not being mutilated after they are dead.. ( heaven forbid it should ever happen)
But yes if they were in need I would expect them to get it.
It is a horrible thing to think about and I always like to think that if anything ever happened to one of mine I would like to agree to their organs being used to give others the gift of life. But i can imagine it is far easier to say it in principle."
I always thought I would.. till someone I knew went through it.. She seemed to be hounded and I know after she felt awful.. She really fell apart and felt she has never truly recovered.. after watching her go through that I know that I couldnt. I know it sounds selfish.. but I couldnt.
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"How much of the body can actually be recycled ?
You'd be surprised. Even things as small as the cornea in the eye can be donated "
My dad has, to date, been the recipiant of 3 corneal transplants because of rejection. Amazing. When I'm gone, if any of my bits are usable, they can take them |
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But would be happy for other children to donate if your children were in need?
Yes.. and I know it sounds selfish but maybe their parents have differing thoughts on after death.. But for me my children are not being mutilated after they are dead.. ( heaven forbid it should ever happen)
But yes if they were in need I would expect them to get it.
It is a horrible thing to think about and I always like to think that if anything ever happened to one of mine I would like to agree to their organs being used to give others the gift of life. But i can imagine it is far easier to say it in principle.
I always thought I would.. till someone I knew went through it.. She seemed to be hounded and I know after she felt awful.. She really fell apart and felt she has never truly recovered.. after watching her go through that I know that I couldnt. I know it sounds selfish.. but I couldnt.
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Again I fully understand, and I cannot imagine anything worse than having a transplant coordinator following you around after you have been told I loved one has died wanting you to sign a consent to harvest form. That is why I believe that unless you have previously opted out of organ donation then the harvesting should happen automatically. As for your comment about not being cut up after death, that is not your choice. If your death is sudden or a doctor or coroner orders a postmortem and the body will be examined by a pathologist and that includes the removal, examination and retention of organs until a coroner authorizes their disposal. |
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"My cousin has cystic fibrosis and when she was 11 she had a heart and lung transplant. Channel 4 did a documentary about her as she was one of the youngest people in the uk to have such a huge operation. Thankfully she is now 18 and and amazing young woman with dreams and ambitions and without donors she would no longer be here. I plan on donating absolutely everything I can when it's time. "
My brother had a double lung transplant about 4 years ago now due to cystic fibrosis. I know that if it wasn't for the donor or their family choosing to donate their organs then he wouldn't be here today. I have been on the donor list since the age of 18 and although I encourage others to do the same I respect others opinions. |
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"I think that refusing to donate your organs after you are dead in selfish, stupid and ignorant. There is no reasonable excuse for refusing to do the right thing, no possible fear or belief can justify not saving a life. Also you cannot judge on who is worthy or not. Should someone who has never worked on contributed to society be entitled to care, housing, pension etc? Who is worthy of support and who deserves to live? These are questions we cannot ask. A life is a life.
Everyone has to have the right not to donate but I agree that consent should be presumed and you should have to opt out if you don't want to donate.
Rembember though that more organs will mean more transplants will mean more intensive care will mean more cost."
When I do good deed I do it for the sake of good. Doesnt give me any entitelement to judge or lable or condamn those who didnt do the same. Othwerwise the good deed becomes a bad thing instead |
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I don't think there is any such thing as a bad person, when you die your soul or spirit leaves your body and there is just a shell to get rid of, your journey through life continues, and you don't need any body parts for the next stage of your journey, whatever good you can do, do, |
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"hi Super D here. i would like to get your opinion on donor,s? i have a heart condition which means i would be extremely lucky to have a long life but thats not to say im not happy because i im. ive been thinking alot latly about sighning the donor sheet at the hospital so if theres a chance anything i have can save someone else then i should. The only thing that scares me is that who would it be that im saving. will it be good person that deserves to live or a bad person who does not need a second chance i.e. killers, pedos. Thanks for reading x"
the fact that you know you have a heart condition, and are getting treatment for it, means you will outlive many people who don't know . |
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"How much of the body can actually be recycled ?
From wikipedia
"Organs that can be transplanted are the heart, kidneys, liver, lungs, pancreas, intestine, and thymus. Tissues include bones, tendons (both referred to as musculoskeletal grafts), cornea, skin, heart valves, nerves and veins."
I've been on the donor list for years and as I've now had a heart attack and cataracts (at different times my heart, lungs and eyes won't be much use but hopefully the rest will be.
The interesting organ is the liver, if the recipient is small they can trim it down to fit and they can fit a small liver into a big person and it will grow to fit. A bit like putting a mini-engine in a muscle car and it growing up to be a V8
The worrying thing is you use Wikipedia for info."
Maybe you'd like to expand on that |
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