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"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed" If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?  | |||
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"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them? "is it drink or narcotics or cuckoo land  | |||
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"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them? is it drink or narcotics or cuckoo land "Like all Political Party's Manifestos it is fatally flawed before it is even put into practice  | |||
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"First drink driving offences..second ten years..take away the car on both counts, sell it and put it to a fund for people who have lost loved ones through drink d*unk drivers" agree!! xx | |||
"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them? "would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ? people would be too scared to speed | |||
"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed"But how would they catch anyone without using speed cameras? Just because there would be a law in place to fine you £2000 and crush your car they still need to prove what speed you were doing, hence the need for speed cameras still | |||
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"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed"nope i would still do it and probably more cause the chance of being caught is less and then the court has to prove beyond reasonable doubt i was speeding so would need at least 2 eyewitnesses to agree but could be no graphic proof unless it was traffic cops x | |||
"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed"Yes, just like people are too scared to commit murder in counteries with the death penalty!  | |||
"problems with manifesto. there is no industry to manufacture said products or technology and would not be cost effective. the financial implications of this would be horrendous not to mention we had this system years ago it was called the workhouse. what about the fathers or have we all started conceiving alone and when we feel like it. or in case of divorce or seperation. we already use english as a first language. forms etc are printed in other languages and last i checked my council office does not have a latvian speaker. so a murderer or child rapist can get out in 3 years if he breaks some bricks? speed cameras removed actually no a bad idea if you can afford extra traffic police. as enforcement of parking on double yellow lines. porn magazines at eye level for kids? yours does make more sense than most manifestos iv read recently even if it is probably the most offensive stereotypical pile of crap iv read but can see the humour in it xx" No one can be that crass: the OP posted this tongue in cheek...right?!!  | |||
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"Lutoncpl for PM "rather have him than david cameron.xx | |||
"Lutoncpl for PM
rather have him than david cameron.xx"Anyone is better than anything on offer really | |||
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"Single males warned if they impregnate more than one female, they face an automatic vasectomy." fitsssssss of giggles (thankyou) | |||
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"Close all supermarkets and out of town shopping centers And put the shops back in the villages and high streets Then watch the amount of cars on the road dwindle a little Maybe prices would rise a little but more people would have jobs and pay tax then maybe some of the 100s of stealth taxes could be scrapped so it would balance out As the technology exists to control all car speeds by satellite as they enter different speed zones Why have the government stopped this dead in its tracks Oh lets think cause if ya didnt speed there would be less revenue and the speed cam business would die a death Also there would be more policemen ta catch criminals and we cant have that can we cause crime is good for the economy Without it we would not have as big a cctv industry,insurance industry,jobs for people that repair the physical damage to property Jobs for people that repair the emotional damage of crime etc etc Crime is good for the economy why would the government want to stop it??? Call me cynical if ya want but i personally think that we have backed ourselves into a corner we will never get out of Think about it xxx "too bloody right mate where else can a scrote break into your home rape your wife then sue you for catching a dose the laws there to protect te criminal | |||
"People caught with a weapon (not a hard cock) don't get a slap on the wrist they get press ganged into the army n shipped to a war zone where there is a reason to carry a weapon? Oh & they don't get paid!" What ? C'mon .... what bloody disaffected anti social criminal is going to protect the country ? Why should decent soldiers have to mix WITH and rely ON mentally ill or socially incapable or Low I.Q or emotionally deficients ? | |||
"People caught with a weapon (not a hard cock) don't get a slap on the wrist they get press ganged into the army n shipped to a war zone where there is a reason to carry a weapon? Oh & they don't get paid! What ? C'mon .... what bloody disaffected anti social criminal is going to protect the country ? Why should decent soldiers have to mix WITH and rely ON mentally ill or socially incapable or Low I.Q or emotionally deficients ? " My bro-in-law is in Afghanistan as we speak and he's always said that when he looks to the man to the left or right of him he needs to know he can rely on him. If it was some little shit lowlife then he'd much rather put a bullet in the little turd than risk taking one himself coz the prat wasn't doing his job. | |||
"People caught with a weapon (not a hard cock) don't get a slap on the wrist they get press ganged into the army n shipped to a war zone where there is a reason to carry a weapon? Oh & they don't get paid! What ? C'mon .... what bloody disaffected anti social criminal is going to protect the country ? Why should decent soldiers have to mix WITH and rely ON mentally ill or socially incapable or Low I.Q or emotionally deficients ? " Ooooh Granny you did it again: said what I was going to say!! | |||
"Close all supermarkets and out of town shopping centers And put the shops back in the villages and high streets Then watch the amount of cars on the road dwindle a little Maybe prices would rise a little but more people would have jobs and pay tax then maybe some of the 100s of stealth taxes could be scrapped so it would balance out" You can't really believe that if you closed all the supermarkets and out of town shopping centres and replace them with smaller town/village shops this would really increase the number of people in work can you? It sounds good in a manifesto closing these 'bad' supermarkets but how many people does 1 supermarket actually employ? An average sized one maybe employs 75-100 (just for argument sake but the figure could be higher), so replace the supermarket with say 10 (even that would be too many for all to survive) smaller shops selling the same goods a supermarket does in your town or village. Those shops would maybe employ 3 or 4 people (so they could keep their profits high enough) but again, for argument sake, lets say they take on 5 employees. To me that's 50 in employment and 25-50 now unemployed and needing to claim benefits so more stealth taxes required! 
Supermarkets are there because we all like the convenience of getting most of what we need in one place at a reasonable cost. They also provide a good source of part-time employment for parents that can fit it in around school times, etc. High Street shops are a 9-5 ish business and less flexible.
Just my tuppence worth (non supermarket worker in case you wondered)  | |||
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"Getting rid of the supermarkets would create more jobs There would be more companies able to supply local shops for a start Instead of just the favored suppliers of the supermarkets Companies would not be able to be bullied by the buying power of the big chains and therefore able to expand and grow Councils would make more revenue from business tax tax that would stay in the local area There would be more jobs created in the local area ie maintenance etc In my village for instance there used to be a thriving local economy with 20 odd shops and a great community spirit Now there is a quarter of that How do you think we survived without supermarkets in the first place??? Also getting all ya stuff in the same place is quicker i grant ya that but lazy and ya only got to think back and remember people walking around towns and villages with their shopping and keeping fit in the process So im sorry but im my humble opinion i think it would create jobs xx "Mr Sainsbury used to have his wee shop but found that it needed to grow in size because people liked his shopping model of being able to get all they needed in one place. So up pops the first supermarket!
Business people like the idea of expanding their business so it would only be a matter of time before the recreated town/village shops would want to grow in size and outgrow the space available in their current location therefore the need to re-create supermarkets would come back - Town & Country Planning is a real bugger isn't it
Council's do collect business rates from supermarkets the same as they do with smaller high street shops, just because they are a supermarket they don't get away from paying into the local economy!
People need to be skilled to do some of the other jobs you describe and sadly in today's world a lot are not interested in gaining those skills and turn to working in a supermarket stacking shelves, etc (nothing against supermarket workers here).
Unfortunately national figures don't go along with what you are saying i.e. doing away with supermarkets and out of town shopping centres would create jobs; infact they show it would actually be the opposite
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"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed
But how would they catch anyone without using speed cameras? Just because there would be a law in place to fine you £2000 and crush your car they still need to prove what speed you were doing, hence the need for speed cameras still "no you are absolutely wrong just the mere thought that there might be the odd copper with a radar gun roaming the country would put you off speeding we would save millions of pounds monitering and servicing the fecking things just keep one to put in the museum lest we forget what the biggest rip off of the 20th century was | |||
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"On this one my friend we will have to agree to disagree As there is right and wrongs to both in the end there is no quick fix to any of it and there is unlikely to be for a very long time xx "I agree to disagree
Wow a Fab debate that ends amicably with both sides happy they got their point across - are we the first? xxx | |||
"Lutoncpl for PM
rather have him than david cameron.xx
Anyone is better than anything on offer really"i will reply to this one yes anything other than the same old shit has got to be worth trying we keep going from labour to consevative and then back again , and it is the same old cronies that form the same goverment as we had before i could talk all day about it people just dont realise that the so called democracy we have is an illusion the only votes that make any difference are the ones cast in marginal seats and even then its only going to be to choose from the big 3 partys whats the point of voting labour if you live in henley on thames FFS the thing that makes me piss my pants laughing are the people that voice an opinion on this that or the other political topic because if you are not privy to all the ins and outs of the thing you wont know what the feck your talking about how can i comment for example on the war in afganistan without knowing all the implications of what deals etc are being done with usa ? they might for example be giving us intelligence on what the argentinians are doing as regards the falklands , in exchange for us fully supporting them in the afghan war i just dont know so how can i make a comment about how you cook you dinner if i dont know if you use gas or electric cooker | |||
"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed
But how would they catch anyone without using speed cameras? Just because there would be a law in place to fine you £2000 and crush your car they still need to prove what speed you were doing, hence the need for speed cameras still
no you are absolutely wrong
just the mere thought that there might be the odd copper with a radar gun roaming the country would put you off speeding
we would save millions of pounds monitering and servicing the fecking things
just keep one to put in the museum lest we forget what the biggest rip off of the 20th century was"I think you might find that the 'radar guns' the police use are actually a speed camera too and these are now all got rid of in the new "Fabswingers' United Kingdom". So no chance of the odd copper using them to check what speed you are doing therefore no deterrent at all left to scare people into not speeding! | |||
"On this one my friend we will have to agree to disagree As there is right and wrongs to both in the end there is no quick fix to any of it and there is unlikely to be for a very long time xx
I agree to disagree
Wow a Fab debate that ends amicably with both sides happy they got their point across - are we the first? xxx"Well done you two...I'm impressed!! | |||
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"feel free to add on promote uk made products , and apply heavy import duty to things that can easily be made here single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in all councils , schools , goverment bodies etc etc , use exclusively the native language of english , other than languages taught in schools ( just like they do in germany , spain , france etc ) shorter sentances for prisoners , but while in custody they work at hard labour , to provide extra blankets or visits etc , the more productive they are the more remmision they gain remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed parking on a yellow line £500 , second offence £2000 and car crushed porno magazines put on the middle shelves ( got lumbago in shoulder ) " oh boy where do I start.... 1) with regard to your economic policy how do you define what is "easy" to make here... remember that because there is a manufacturing and electronic base that could count anything.... so luton cpl... do you drive? was your car exclusively made here in the uk? your lovely big television/ music system? heck what about your cooker? fridge freezer? tumble dryer/ dishwasher? hmmmm... what about the computer you are typing on? all "could" technically be make exclusively and easily made in the uk...... where ya going to draw the line?? 2) what technically is the native language of scotland? or wales? or ireland? there are parts of the UK where english is not the first language.... well done!!! you just make welsh and gaelic extinct!!! 3)let debunk a few myths with regards to speed cameras.... a) they only go into places where there have been 3 or more accidents within an 18 month period b) any money made from people speeding camera fines actually goes into measures preventing road traffic accidents and promoting better driving... so if people didn't speed, there would be no need for cameras!!!! c) Simon Cowell actually payed more in UK tax than is actually make from speed camera fines (£24 million pounds) d) the highways agency website has the location of every speed camera in the UK, so its not like they don't tell you where they are, and a lot of sat navs have that info built into them.... so how do you propose that you catch people speeding then? just interested to know? it's interesting having some of these measures.... but you have said how you plan to apply them? or what it is going to applied on? and before you all ask, yes the grumpiness is "strong" in me today...... | |||
"so you think that a radar gun is a speed camera ( are you on drugs ? ) oh well it seems there are still people out there that cant tell shit from clay" It is actually laser guns that they use now; radar is so last year my dear - much more accurate for detecting speed and can be pointed directly at the car they are tracking. Clay ones would be too brittle and if the careless copper dropped it they would need a lot of superglue to put it back together again before they could use it as a Speed Camera (camera being something that records data and has a lens on it ) and just wouldn't hold it's value when it went on the Antiques Roadshow (quoting a previous poster lol)
Now, quoting facts is always better than resorting to name calling  | |||
"so you think that a radar gun is a speed camera ( are you on drugs ? ) oh well it seems there are still people out there that cant tell shit from clay It is actually laser guns that they use now; radar is so last year my dear - much more accurate for detecting speed and can be pointed directly at the car they are tracking. Clay ones would be too brittle and if the careless copper dropped it they would need a lot of superglue to put it back together again before they could use it as a Speed Camera (camera being something that records data and has a lens on it ) and just wouldn't hold it's value when it went on the Antiques Roadshow (quoting a previous poster lol)
Now, quoting facts is always better than resorting to name calling "obviously any radar/laser gun would need to be made in the UK... can't be having any of that foreign fancy muck now!!!!
just wondering what the tariff would be applied on "getting foreign" because it wouldn't effect the rich people... they would still buy it because they can afford it, it would be the poorer who would have to buy inferior british stuff.... hmmm... and on day one where this would come in, the rest of the world would slap the same measure back on the uk!!... so ya export industry just went "bang"...... | |||
Gatso Cameras (fixed) are the ones that use radar but seeing as the 'Fabswingers UK' party did away with them but still wanted the odd copper to have his laser gun (speed camera) I was ignoring the facts that Gatso Cameras do the following - They take speed readings by radar and this speed reading can be confirmed by lines painted on the road. Two images are taken on 35mm film half a second apart. The Gatso camera only has type approval to take images of the back of a vehicle as it passes. It can take images of a vehicle moving towards it but in 99% of cases they can not use the images.
Whereas laser speed cameras can do you from the front or the back - mmmmmm that gets me back to what this site is meant to be about! So who wants done from the front or the back (ladies only on the back one please) | |||
"so you think that a radar gun is a speed camera ( are you on drugs ? ) oh well it seems there are still people out there that cant tell shit from clay It is actually laser guns that they use now; radar is so last year my dear - much more accurate for detecting speed and can be pointed directly at the car they are tracking. Clay ones would be too brittle and if the careless copper dropped it they would need a lot of superglue to put it back together again before they could use it as a Speed Camera (camera being something that records data and has a lens on it ) and just wouldn't hold it's value when it went on the Antiques Roadshow (quoting a previous poster lol)
Now, quoting facts is always better than resorting to name calling "i did not say laser gun i said RADAR GUN just to be clear here is what i said earlier to save you scrolling back just the mere thought that there might be the odd copper with a radar gun roaming the country would put you off speeding i was not talking about what they use now / what they might use in the future / or what they use on mars or venus i said a RADAR GUN and a RADAR GUN is NOT a camera hope you understand now , but i doubt it very much | |||
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"so you think that a radar gun is a speed camera ( are you on drugs ? ) oh well it seems there are still people out there that cant tell shit from clay It is actually laser guns that they use now; radar is so last year my dear - much more accurate for detecting speed and can be pointed directly at the car they are tracking. Clay ones would be too brittle and if the careless copper dropped it they would need a lot of superglue to put it back together again before they could use it as a Speed Camera (camera being something that records data and has a lens on it ) and just wouldn't hold it's value when it went on the Antiques Roadshow (quoting a previous poster lol)
Now, quoting facts is always better than resorting to name calling
i did not say laser gun i said RADAR GUN
just to be clear here is what i said earlier to save you scrolling back
just the mere thought that there might be the odd copper with a radar gun roaming the country would put you off speeding
i was not talking about what they use now / what they might use in the future / or what they use on mars or venus
i said a RADAR GUN
and a RADAR GUN is NOT a camera
hope you understand now , but i doubt it very much " Another well balanced reply ty | |||
"so you think that a radar gun is a speed camera ( are you on drugs ? ) oh well it seems there are still people out there that cant tell shit from clay It is actually laser guns that they use now; radar is so last year my dear - much more accurate for detecting speed and can be pointed directly at the car they are tracking. Clay ones would be too brittle and if the careless copper dropped it they would need a lot of superglue to put it back together again before they could use it as a Speed Camera (camera being something that records data and has a lens on it ) and just wouldn't hold it's value when it went on the Antiques Roadshow (quoting a previous poster lol)
Now, quoting facts is always better than resorting to name calling
i did not say laser gun i said RADAR GUN
just to be clear here is what i said earlier to save you scrolling back
just the mere thought that there might be the odd copper with a radar gun roaming the country would put you off speeding
i was not talking about what they use now / what they might use in the future / or what they use on mars or venus
i said a RADAR GUN
and a RADAR GUN is NOT a camera
hope you understand now , but i doubt it very much
Another well balanced reply ty "it seems to have shut you up | |||
"so you think that a radar gun is a speed camera ( are you on drugs ? ) oh well it seems there are still people out there that cant tell shit from clay It is actually laser guns that they use now; radar is so last year my dear - much more accurate for detecting speed and can be pointed directly at the car they are tracking. Clay ones would be too brittle and if the careless copper dropped it they would need a lot of superglue to put it back together again before they could use it as a Speed Camera (camera being something that records data and has a lens on it ) and just wouldn't hold it's value when it went on the Antiques Roadshow (quoting a previous poster lol)
Now, quoting facts is always better than resorting to name calling
i did not say laser gun i said RADAR GUN
just to be clear here is what i said earlier to save you scrolling back
just the mere thought that there might be the odd copper with a radar gun roaming the country would put you off speeding
i was not talking about what they use now / what they might use in the future / or what they use on mars or venus
i said a RADAR GUN
and a RADAR GUN is NOT a camera
hope you understand now , but i doubt it very much
Another well balanced reply ty "big bloody deal they both do the same thing???
least if it a camera you know it there you can avoid it if its pc plum hidin behind the bush you dont know its there and deserve to get caught!
either way they both bring in a lot of money and do serve a purpose!! x
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"so you think that a radar gun is a speed camera ( are you on drugs ? ) oh well it seems there are still people out there that cant tell shit from clay It is actually laser guns that they use now; radar is so last year my dear - much more accurate for detecting speed and can be pointed directly at the car they are tracking. Clay ones would be too brittle and if the careless copper dropped it they would need a lot of superglue to put it back together again before they could use it as a Speed Camera (camera being something that records data and has a lens on it ) and just wouldn't hold it's value when it went on the Antiques Roadshow (quoting a previous poster lol)
Now, quoting facts is always better than resorting to name calling
i did not say laser gun i said RADAR GUN
just to be clear here is what i said earlier to save you scrolling back
just the mere thought that there might be the odd copper with a radar gun roaming the country would put you off speeding
i was not talking about what they use now / what they might use in the future / or what they use on mars or venus
i said a RADAR GUN
and a RADAR GUN is NOT a camera
hope you understand now , but i doubt it very much
Another well balanced reply ty
it seems to have shut you up "Nope was just swatting up on the "Doppler Principle" to see which was an easier speed camera for PC Plod to use and the laser does seem to come out on top as it is point and shoot and saves arming all of our bobbies with real guns - That's my views and am sticking to them | |||
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"Things may be simple to make in the UK but for the great British public the bottom line is price of the goods, imposing punitive import duties on goods would mean things like electrical products rising in price dramatically. UK jobs yes…..but at what price to the general public? Do you really believe it would be cheaper for the state to care for children born to unmarried women?, have you even considered the downside for a child brought up in care rather than with their birth mother? It costs £17,000 per annum to bring a child up in a state care home, have you even thought this out? The cost of printing Council forms/Benefit forms etc. in various foreign languages is considerably cheaper than bringing in an interpreter every time a foreign national doesn’t understand a form printed in English only. (And you will find that in Germany and France such forms are printed in foreign languages too, can‘t speak for Spain) Hard labour in prisons will mean increasing the amount of prison officers substantially, imagine the security (and cost of) needed to take a bus load of ‘A’ Category prisoners to the nearest stone quarry. Remove all speed cameras but make the penalty for speeding much more severe…..you haven’t thought this one through have you? Severe parking fines for parking on a yellow line, with so many cars on the road worth far less than £500 let alone £2000 then the result would be even more cars in the UK not becoming registered to drivers. " jane!!! sssssssssh!!!! stop picking holes in the argument... | |||
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"Things may be simple to make in the UK but for the great British public the bottom line is price of the goods, imposing punitive import duties on goods would mean things like electrical products rising in price dramatically. UK jobs yes…..but at what price to the general public? Do you really believe it would be cheaper for the state to care for children born to unmarried women?, have you even considered the downside for a child brought up in care rather than with their birth mother? It costs £17,000 per annum to bring a child up in a state care home, have you even thought this out? The cost of printing Council forms/Benefit forms etc. in various foreign languages is considerably cheaper than bringing in an interpreter every time a foreign national doesn’t understand a form printed in English only. (And you will find that in Germany and France such forms are printed in foreign languages too, can‘t speak for Spain) Hard labour in prisons will mean increasing the amount of prison officers substantially, imagine the security (and cost of) needed to take a bus load of ‘A’ Category prisoners to the nearest stone quarry. Remove all speed cameras but make the penalty for speeding much more severe…..you haven’t thought this one through have you? Severe parking fines for parking on a yellow line, with so many cars on the road worth far less than £500 let alone £2000 then the result would be even more cars in the UK not becoming registered to drivers. jane!!! sssssssssh!!!! stop picking holes in the argument... " | |||
"Things may be simple to make in the UK but for the great British public the bottom line is price of the goods, imposing punitive import duties on goods would mean things like electrical products rising in price dramatically. UK jobs yes…..but at what price to the general public? Do you really believe it would be cheaper for the state to care for children born to unmarried women?, have you even considered the downside for a child brought up in care rather than with their birth mother? It costs £17,000 per annum to bring a child up in a state care home, have you even thought this out? The cost of printing Council forms/Benefit forms etc. in various foreign languages is considerably cheaper than bringing in an interpreter every time a foreign national doesn’t understand a form printed in English only. (And you will find that in Germany and France such forms are printed in foreign languages too, can‘t speak for Spain) Hard labour in prisons will mean increasing the amount of prison officers substantially, imagine the security (and cost of) needed to take a bus load of ‘A’ Category prisoners to the nearest stone quarry. Remove all speed cameras but make the penalty for speeding much more severe…..you haven’t thought this one through have you? Severe parking fines for parking on a yellow line, with so many cars on the road worth far less than £500 let alone £2000 then the result would be even more cars in the UK not becoming registered to drivers. " due to time contraints i will answer one of your points it might well cost 17 grand to look after a baby for a year but that baby would be put out for adoption after 6 months or less to the many couples out there that are desperate to look after and nurcture that baby they would be a couple , and would make a far better job of it than the single mum that only had the baby in the first place , as it was a better option than getting a JOB so that represents about £7,500 the alternative is to keep the single mother on income support , housing benefit , and of course a flat provided , not to mention child benefit for lets say 15 years that would cost about 117 grand , plus the cost of building the flat she would be provided with , that she would still have tenency of once the child was an adult i am not knocking single parents who are capable of bringing up a child on there own whilst working for a living but the jeremy kyle type of young women who choose having a baby instead of getting a job , and slob around all day smoking canabis , and getting pissed , cannot continue to be paid for by the state , cos they have no idea who the father is ! i for one are fed up with paying for there nappies etc ( out of my taxes ) and paying for police to try and keep the thousands of ferile kids from smashing the place to pieces of course it is better for a child to be brought up by its birth mother , if she is of reasonable character etc and made a genuine mistake by becoming pregnant but by far the majority nowdays get pregnant whilst blind d*unk or drugged up on there way home from clubbing , having a knee trembler in a shop doorway whilst eating a kebab and i for one are fed up with paying for them | |||
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"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed"It would become speeding for the rich. | |||
"due to time contraints i will answer one of your points it might well cost 17 grand to look after a baby for a year but that baby would be put out for adoption after 6 months or less to the many couples out there that are desperate to look after and nurcture that baby they would be a couple , and would make a far better job of it than the single mum that only had the baby in the first place , as it was a better option than getting a JOB so that represents about £7,500 the alternative is to keep the single mother on income support , housing benefit , and of course a flat provided , not to mention child benefit for lets say 15 years that would cost about 117 grand , plus the cost of building the flat she would be provided with , that she would still have tenency of once the child was an adult i am not knocking single parents who are capable of bringing up a child on there own whilst working for a living but the jeremy kyle type of young women who choose having a baby instead of getting a job , and slob around all day smoking canabis , and getting pissed , cannot continue to be paid for by the state , cos they have no idea who the father is ! i for one are fed up with paying for there nappies etc ( out of my taxes ) and paying for police to try and keep the thousands of ferile kids from smashing the place to pieces of course it is better for a child to be brought up by its birth mother , if she is of reasonable character etc and made a genuine mistake by becoming pregnant but by far the majority nowdays get pregnant whilst blind d*unk or drugged up on there way home from clubbing , having a knee trembler in a shop doorway whilst eating a kebab and i for one are fed up with paying for them "
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"oh my god what an absolute pile of pish!! im a single parent have been since about 10 mins after conception! your tryin to say that im an unfit parent because im not the nuclear family? let me tell you this sunshine i worked right through my pregnancy i finished work on the sunday had my daughter on the thurs a fortnite late i may add, then 2 wks later i was back at work part time still pissing stitches and shootin milk 50 yards. how fuckin dare you tar us all with the same brush! my kid is in advanced classes at school and accordin to report card is a polite well mannered hard working child who is a credit to me and they way i raised her. i know children in the perfect nuclear family who are horrendous little cunts who couldnt behave if you paid them and are one family crime waves. i really cant believe attitudes like your exists in this day and age. as for kiddos father 3 months ago he started payin for her she is 8 and has never seen him not that iv stopped him because he wont so lets have everyone who fathers kids willy nilly in for the nut chop after say 2 kids! just remember its the taxes that I pay that will likely keep you in tena pants when your soakin in your own pish in the nursing home! and yes i am fuckin offended!! " you missed this part of what i said i am not knocking single parents who are capable of bringing up a child on there own whilst working for a living so you see i did not paint anyone with the same brush i differenciated | |||
"due to time contraints i will answer one of your points it might well cost 17 grand to look after a baby for a year but that baby would be put out for adoption after 6 months or less to the many couples out there that are desperate to look after and nurcture that baby they would be a couple , and would make a far better job of it than the single mum that only had the baby in the first place , as it was a better option than getting a JOB so that represents about £7,500 the alternative is to keep the single mother on income support , housing benefit , and of course a flat provided , not to mention child benefit for lets say 15 years that would cost about 117 grand , plus the cost of building the flat she would be provided with , that she would still have tenency of once the child was an adult i am not knocking single parents who are capable of bringing up a child on there own whilst working for a living but the jeremy kyle type of young women who choose having a baby instead of getting a job , and slob around all day smoking canabis , and getting pissed , cannot continue to be paid for by the state , cos they have no idea who the father is ! i for one are fed up with paying for there nappies etc ( out of my taxes ) and paying for police to try and keep the thousands of ferile kids from smashing the place to pieces of course it is better for a child to be brought up by its birth mother , if she is of reasonable character etc and made a genuine mistake by becoming pregnant but by far the majority nowdays get pregnant whilst blind d*unk or drugged up on there way home from clubbing , having a knee trembler in a shop doorway whilst eating a kebab and i for one are fed up with paying for them
Seeing as you are "In Salou Spain most of the time now" do you still pay UK taxes to go towards paying for the nappies? "yes busy here earning a living , not NON DOM just yet | |||
"I had thought this was a total wind-up post …. tongue in check joke type thing. I’m still not too sure it isn’t, but as the OP has answered a few questions sort of seriously… Would the heavy import duty also apply for the materials we need to make the goods ourselves? We certainly don’t have the natural resources of metals and other elements required for most technology… mobile phones, computers etc…. nor the oil, not just needed to provide power to this sudden rush of UK manufacturing, but for the petroleum based products such as plastics and synthetics. And if the import duty doesn’t apply to raw materials…. Don’t you think those countries which do have the resources might be a tad pissed off about supplying them to us at a global market price if we are restricting their other imports? Heavy duty on imports would raise the cost of living significantly overnight… which in turn would make UK made products even more expensive as workers would need to be paid even more… and in turn push the cost of living up even more. " you are indeed absolutely correct in everything you say the things i put on my manifesto in the first instance would need a massive amount of explanation and expantion for them to be understood , and with hindsight that is beyond the perameters of these little threads this country used to make most of the products it needed with its own 2 hands Raleigh Bikes / hoover washing machines / austin rover cars ,phillips tv , the list goes on and on we dont even make a pair of sunglasses now , we dont make steel , or mine coal ( in any quantity ) this situation did not happen overnight , it was a slow drip drip , over the last 50 years so my original comment about slapping a heavy import charge on imported goods would off course seem very heavy handed if it had been a serrious manifesto i would have elaborated by saying there should be a TREND , a BIAS , a very slow leaning toward promoting UK products , and detering people from importing goods and putting the few people left in manufactoring here out of work after all it has been happening over the last 50 years in reverse so why not turn it around you could even say what i said was indeed tounge in cheek , or a wind up , because things have gone so far now it would be almost impossible to change them , the country has gone to hell in a hand basket | |||
"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed
It would become speeding for the rich."if you are rich you get the best of everything , thats how it is and thats how it will allways be best health care , saville row suits , yacht in monte carlo as things stand now if you are rich you can get 3 blisters on your liscence , then say the wife was driving the next 3 times , then give the bloke next door 500 quid every time you get another the situation should be that we stop people speeding whats happening at the moment is that the goverment is glad that we speed as it rakes in a lot of money my idea is to stop people speeding full stop its easy to make a mistake and go over a little without realising it , so a small fine if you are stirling moss and taking the piss you get hammered so the rich guy that gets 8 tickets a week wont be rich for too long at 2k a pop and the car crushed | |||
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"I had thought this was a total wind-up post …. tongue in check joke type thing. I’m still not too sure it isn’t, but as the OP has answered a few questions sort of seriously… Would the heavy import duty also apply for the materials we need to make the goods ourselves? We certainly don’t have the natural resources of metals and other elements required for most technology… mobile phones, computers etc…. nor the oil, not just needed to provide power to this sudden rush of UK manufacturing, but for the petroleum based products such as plastics and synthetics. And if the import duty doesn’t apply to raw materials…. Don’t you think those countries which do have the resources might be a tad pissed off about supplying them to us at a global market price if we are restricting their other imports? Heavy duty on imports would raise the cost of living significantly overnight… which in turn would make UK made products even more expensive as workers would need to be paid even more… and in turn push the cost of living up even more. " Surely you never expected the OP to have considered the ramifications did you Polo?.....like belonging to a free trade body like the EU that would make all this illegal in law? This thread like so many others starts with 'shock' subjects that are posted without any thought going into it. | |||
"oh my god what an absolute pile of pish!! im a single parent have been since about 10 mins after conception! your tryin to say that im an unfit parent because im not the nuclear family? let me tell you this sunshine i worked right through my pregnancy i finished work on the sunday had my daughter on the thurs a fortnite late i may add, then 2 wks later i was back at work part time still pissing stitches and shootin milk 50 yards. how fuckin dare you tar us all with the same brush! my kid is in advanced classes at school and accordin to report card is a polite well mannered hard working child who is a credit to me and they way i raised her. i know children in the perfect nuclear family who are horrendous little cunts who couldnt behave if you paid them and are one family crime waves. i really cant believe attitudes like your exists in this day and age. as for kiddos father 3 months ago he started payin for her she is 8 and has never seen him not that iv stopped him because he wont so lets have everyone who fathers kids willy nilly in for the nut chop after say 2 kids! just remember its the taxes that I pay that will likely keep you in tena pants when your soakin in your own pish in the nursing home! and yes i am fuckin offended!! you missed this part of what i said i am not knocking single parents who are capable of bringing up a child on there own whilst working for a living so you see i did not paint anyone with the same brush i differenciated" what about divorcees/seperations?? sorry kids you goin to the home daddys buggered off and wont pay and mummy cant work because of childcare or the lack of it! ??
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"I had thought this was a total wind-up post …. tongue in check joke type thing. I’m still not too sure it isn’t, but as the OP has answered a few questions sort of seriously… Would the heavy import duty also apply for the materials we need to make the goods ourselves? We certainly don’t have the natural resources of metals and other elements required for most technology… mobile phones, computers etc…. nor the oil, not just needed to provide power to this sudden rush of UK manufacturing, but for the petroleum based products such as plastics and synthetics. And if the import duty doesn’t apply to raw materials…. Don’t you think those countries which do have the resources might be a tad pissed off about supplying them to us at a global market price if we are restricting their other imports? Heavy duty on imports would raise the cost of living significantly overnight… which in turn would make UK made products even more expensive as workers would need to be paid even more… and in turn push the cost of living up even more. you are indeed absolutely correct in everything you say the things i put on my manifesto in the first instance would need a massive amount of explanation and expantion for them to be understood , and with hindsight that is beyond the perameters of these little threads this country used to make most of the products it needed with its own 2 hands Raleigh Bikes / hoover washing machines / austin rover cars ,phillips tv , the list goes on and on we dont even make a pair of sunglasses now , we dont make steel , or mine coal ( in any quantity ) this situation did not happen overnight , it was a slow drip drip , over the last 50 years so my original comment about slapping a heavy import charge on imported goods would off course seem very heavy handed if it had been a serrious manifesto i would have elaborated by saying there should be a TREND , a BIAS , a very slow leaning toward promoting UK products , and detering people from importing goods and putting the few people left in manufactoring here out of work after all it has been happening over the last 50 years in reverse so why not turn it around you could even say what i said was indeed tounge in cheek , or a wind up , because things have gone so far now it would be almost impossible to change them , the country has gone to hell in a hand basket " The thing is…. the changes to UK manufacturing over the last 50 years didn’t happen in isolation. The changes happened in conjunction with and as a result of other developments; one of the main ones being technology and another being transport… leading to you being able to flit back and forth between Spain and the UK for relatively peanuts. We can’t simple turn back the clock on manufacturing as we are not in the same world we were 50 years ago and we can’t turn back the tide of globalisation… not without serious consequences. We were a great manufacturing country in the past as we had no other choice but to make it for ourselves if we wanted it. 50 years ago it was not financially viable to ship chicken legs from Brazil to Birmingham… it’s not the case today. We import lower cost products because the consumer wanted the choice…. the invisible hand of the market economy. The consumer was granted that choice by developments in transport and communications. Globalisation, world economics… regardless of which party was in power, none would have escaped the impact of the recent banking fiascos outside of the UK. A large chunk of a national deficit is due to Icelandic banking going tits up. The major contributor to our own country’s recession being the banking crisis in the USA. We are in a different world…. and the consequences of telling the rest of the world that we don’t want to play ball anymore are far reaching. | |||
"remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed If you remove all speed cameras how do you catch the speeders to fine them?
would you go over the limit if it was a £2000 fine and the car crushed ?
people would be too scared to speed
It would become speeding for the rich.
if you are rich you get the best of everything , thats how it is and thats how it will allways be
best health care , saville row suits , yacht in monte carlo
as things stand now if you are rich you can get 3 blisters on your liscence , then say the wife was driving the next 3 times , then give the bloke next door 500 quid every time you get another
the situation should be that we stop people speeding
whats happening at the moment is that the goverment is glad that we speed as it rakes in a lot of money
my idea is to stop people speeding full stop
its easy to make a mistake and go over a little without realising it , so a small fine
if you are stirling moss and taking the piss you get hammered
so the rich guy that gets 8 tickets a week wont be rich for too long at 2k a pop and the car crushed "How many police officers are going to be deployed around the country with speed guns for some guy to get caught eight times in a week? Modern speed cameras have much higher quality pictures.... reducing the possibility of saying "the misus had my car that day" If a fine and the risk of losing your licence doesn't put someone off... then I fail to see how £2k and scrapping the car will deter someone on a footballers wages. | |||
"I had thought this was a total wind-up post …. tongue in check joke type thing. I’m still not too sure it isn’t, but as the OP has answered a few questions sort of seriously… Would the heavy import duty also apply for the materials we need to make the goods ourselves? We certainly don’t have the natural resources of metals and other elements required for most technology… mobile phones, computers etc…. nor the oil, not just needed to provide power to this sudden rush of UK manufacturing, but for the petroleum based products such as plastics and synthetics. And if the import duty doesn’t apply to raw materials…. Don’t you think those countries which do have the resources might be a tad pissed off about supplying them to us at a global market price if we are restricting their other imports? Heavy duty on imports would raise the cost of living significantly overnight… which in turn would make UK made products even more expensive as workers would need to be paid even more… and in turn push the cost of living up even more. you are indeed absolutely correct in everything you say the things i put on my manifesto in the first instance would need a massive amount of explanation and expantion for them to be understood , and with hindsight that is beyond the perameters of these little threads this country used to make most of the products it needed with its own 2 hands Raleigh Bikes / hoover washing machines / austin rover cars ,phillips tv , the list goes on and on we dont even make a pair of sunglasses now , we dont make steel , or mine coal ( in any quantity ) this situation did not happen overnight , it was a slow drip drip , over the last 50 years so my original comment about slapping a heavy import charge on imported goods would off course seem very heavy handed if it had been a serrious manifesto i would have elaborated by saying there should be a TREND , a BIAS , a very slow leaning toward promoting UK products , and detering people from importing goods and putting the few people left in manufactoring here out of work after all it has been happening over the last 50 years in reverse so why not turn it around you could even say what i said was indeed tounge in cheek , or a wind up , because things have gone so far now it would be almost impossible to change them , the country has gone to hell in a hand basket The thing is…. the changes to UK manufacturing over the last 50 years didn’t happen in isolation. The changes happened in conjunction with and as a result of other developments; one of the main ones being technology and another being transport… leading to you being able to flit back and forth between Spain and the UK for relatively peanuts. We can’t simple turn back the clock on manufacturing as we are not in the same world we were 50 years ago and we can’t turn back the tide of globalisation… not without serious consequences. We were a great manufacturing country in the past as we had no other choice but to make it for ourselves if we wanted it. 50 years ago it was not financially viable to ship chicken legs from Brazil to Birmingham… it’s not the case today. We import lower cost products because the consumer wanted the choice…. the invisible hand of the market economy. The consumer was granted that choice by developments in transport and communications. Globalisation, world economics… regardless of which party was in power, none would have escaped the impact of the recent banking fiascos outside of the UK. A large chunk of a national deficit is due to Icelandic banking going tits up. The major contributor to our own country’s recession being the banking crisis in the USA. We are in a different world…. and the consequences of telling the rest of the world that we don’t want to play ball anymore are far reaching. " i know international trade has been going on for millenia , you could take knobs of flint to turkey and trade them for gold , that type of trade should continue but if we let every last vestidge of manufacturing die out there will be dire consecuences we cannot just rely on financial services alone for one thing a lot of those services are owned by outside companys in any event hispano santander , hsbo but to name just 2 its not just a case of the consumer having more choice , they used to pay 20 quid for a pair of jeans that cost 5 quid to make in brum now the exact same pair are made in china but there still 20 quid im not saying / lets not play ball anymore and im not saying lets be self sufficient / thats impossible but if your in china and you buy a pint of lager , made in china its 50p but if you want a nip of roses lime juice in it its 5 quid more you talk as if the system of globalisation is working for us , its not its all very well geting relatively low cost tv , pc , etc etc from japan etc , but how long can it go on to have world trade , ie globalisation you need something to trade i am very afraid the financial services of the square mile might well go the same way as the south sea bubble this is the age of the super cargo ship , that can take a tv half way round the world for 50p how easy would it be for the banking sector that pays a hell of a lot in tax revenues to " flip " to another countrie we cant take the risk of that happening without some kind of back up , ie lets start making those jeans in brum again and let the manufactorer take a few quid per unit less profit | |||
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"oh my god what an absolute pile of pish!! im a single parent have been since about 10 mins after conception! your tryin to say that im an unfit parent because im not the nuclear family? let me tell you this sunshine i worked right through my pregnancy i finished work on the sunday had my daughter on the thurs a fortnite late i may add, then 2 wks later i was back at work part time still pissing stitches and shootin milk 50 yards. how fuckin dare you tar us all with the same brush! my kid is in advanced classes at school and accordin to report card is a polite well mannered hard working child who is a credit to me and they way i raised her. i know children in the perfect nuclear family who are horrendous little cunts who couldnt behave if you paid them and are one family crime waves. i really cant believe attitudes like your exists in this day and age. as for kiddos father 3 months ago he started payin for her she is 8 and has never seen him not that iv stopped him because he wont so lets have everyone who fathers kids willy nilly in for the nut chop after say 2 kids! just remember its the taxes that I pay that will likely keep you in tena pants when your soakin in your own pish in the nursing home! and yes i am fuckin offended!! you missed this part of what i said i am not knocking single parents who are capable of bringing up a child on there own whilst working for a living so you see i did not paint anyone with the same brush i differenciated what about divorcees/seperations?? sorry kids you goin to the home daddys buggered off and wont pay and mummy cant work because of childcare or the lack of it! ??
single parents are always great for being the easy target and the blame for everything that is wrong with "broken britain" just remember it takes 2 people to make a baby well with the exception of buyin sperm but thats another debate!! "first of all you rebuke me for condeming single working mums , and i had to point out to you that i did not say that now you complain that i would remove the baby from a divorcee , and i did not say that either what i did say is that is wrong for a single woman who has nowhere to live , no intention of geting a job , no idea in many cases who the father is , to get pregnant as a kind of lifestyle that the taxpayer has to support if a couple with young children seperate it is an entirely different kettle of fish they have secumbed to unforeseen circumstances , and would rightly recieve support from the state i dont want to be rude but if you were opposing me across the ballot box in goverment , criticiseing me for things i did not say would be ringing to howls of laughter | |||
"794,000 children born in the UK in 2008 and 43% of these being to unmarried women. That is roughly 340,000 children put up for adoption by the 'Luton' method. Are there 340,000 couples every year that want to adopt babies?, maybe we should really punish the mothers for being unmarried and 'dispose' of the ones that are not lucky enough to get adopted. Bit like the fixed speed cameras and car crushing speeding motorists, not at all thought out." dont you think the numbers might not reduce if they realised that having a baby was not a free lunch ? i can only hope that the vast majority of the 340,000 were born to women that have means of supporting themselves , if not god help us | |||
"globalisation has buggered that on the head. i worked for a major jeans manufacturer when i left school they moved work to china as it costs a whole lot less to make them. capitalism rules as does consumerism its not financially viable to have production here and the days of industry are gone. " Will that be the same jeans manufacturer that also closed their factory in Dundee at the end of the 90s and said this at the time? - "This proposal has been forced upon us by a substantial decrease in jeans buying by a shrinking European youth population - projected to decline by a further 5% in the next five years - and a marked shift away from denim jeans as a fashion item. "In addition, discretionary spending on electronics, computer games and accessories, leisure activities and travel have affected all jeans manufacturers, along with increased competition from `sports brands' and own label brands." The world moves on and if companies want to survive in the big bad world they have to take decisions to move production to places where they can get things produced so people can afford to buy them. I bet the police will be buying container loads of hand held laser speed cameras from a foreign manufacturer once all the fixed Gatso Cameras are binned. They will have to keep the cost down so the Government can give all the cash to the single mums to buy nappies | |||
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"globalisation has buggered that on the head. i worked for a major jeans manufacturer when i left school they moved work to china as it costs a whole lot less to make them. capitalism rules as does consumerism its not financially viable to have production here and the days of industry are gone. Will that be the same jeans manufacturer that also closed their factory in Dundee at the end of the 90s and said this at the time? - "This proposal has been forced upon us by a substantial decrease in jeans buying by a shrinking European youth population - projected to decline by a further 5% in the next five years - and a marked shift away from denim jeans as a fashion item. "In addition, discretionary spending on electronics, computer games and accessories, leisure activities and travel have affected all jeans manufacturers, along with increased competition from `sports brands' and own label brands." The world moves on and if companies want to survive in the big bad world they have to take decisions to move production to places where they can get things produced so people can afford to buy them. I bet the police will be buying container loads of hand held laser speed cameras from a foreign manufacturer once all the fixed Gatso Cameras are binned. They will have to keep the cost down so the Government can give all the cash to the single mums to buy nappies "im no sure but i remember them puttin it down to the jeremy clarkson effect and how youngsters didnt want to look like their dads!! and also soem of the reasons you quoted. the sickenin part was in the final days we were repairing all the fuck ups from the chinese manufactured ones!! | |||
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"btw... those jeans are only £3 in Tesco." Feck thats cheap - Am off to get some asap - oh hang on where were they made? On second thoughts it doesn't matter, I can afford to get a few pairs at that price lol | |||
"I am still waiting on my question to be answered so I'll ask again... 1) with regard to your economic policy how do you define what is "easy" to make here... remember that because there is a manufacturing and electronic base that could count anything.... so luton cpl...couple of questions? do you drive? was your car exclusively made here in the uk? your lovely big television/ music system? heck what about your cooker? fridge freezer? tumble dryer/ dishwasher? hmmmm... what about the computer you are typing on? all "could" technically be make exclusively and easily made in the uk...... where ya going to draw the line??" theres many things that can be made here easily , lets say a washing up bowl made from north sea oil , or a pair of jeans made from jute grown in the west country i drive a saab ,used to be austin / morris / riley / rover / wolsley / triumph / jaguar / rr and without turning the house upside down i cant think of anything i own that was not made abroad , unless antique like i said in a reply a while ago im not saying things can change over night but for christs sake a young man cant leave school nowdays and get a job in a factory making hot water bottles its just not right , there needs to be an ebb and flow , trade at the moment is just one way , with the main income for the economy coming from financial services and that could evaporate in the blink of an eye the fact that that might happen means we must prepare for that event , even if its in the most modest term if you thought you might lose your job at some point in the future you might at least start saving a tenner a week thats the thrust of my arguement , we should at least promote and help even a few small factorys even if there only making 200 pairs of knee pads for scateboarders a week COS WE AINT EVEN GOT THAT | |||
"thats the thrust of my arguement , we should at least promote and help even a few small factorys even if there only making 200 pairs of knee pads for scateboarders a week COS WE AINT EVEN GOT THAT" Does Boots not still manufacture its own toiletries and cosmetics? Do they not export them through the expansion of their brand across Europe and beyond? | |||
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"no you didnt make clear exactly what you were going to do you catagorised all single parents the same. thats the joy of politics ripping things to shreds!! your preconcieved idea of the typical single parents was evident from the start of the post i provided you with the alternative type which i get the feeling you didnt like but it is a fact! as i said before you picked the easiest target and your preconceptions smack of toryism in its purest form! i dont dispute there is the jeremy kyle branch of single parenthood who live up to the steroetype but lives can be turned. iv worked with teenage lone parents and believe it or not some do actually want to work but the obstacles are high to get them into work especially in areas with high unemployment where maybe none of their parents worked and have never had the example of what good honest work can bring." single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in seemed clear to me , and did not catagorise all single parents the same , it was specific to the ones that become pregnant and could not support themselves thats the joy of the written word it can be reffered back to as fact and i am very sorry to point out for the third time now yet another thing i did not say i did not say that single females who have children without being able to support themselves were "typical" you might try to put words in my mouth and there might be words that you wished i said but didnt your comments about what i said therefore must be deemed jactitation | |||
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"the only factory near me is a bottling factory and when i spoke with the secretary one day she said they get roughly 20 calls a day from people looking for work. they expanded a wee while ago and i know they import a lot of alcohol abroad but the other bottling plant further away johnnie walkers is closing soon and production being moved abroad with the loss of hundreds of jobs." thats exactly the type of thing that concerns me , and if it was my decition would put a stop to it how ridiculous to have wiskey made outside scotland | |||
"no you didnt make clear exactly what you were going to do you catagorised all single parents the same. thats the joy of politics ripping things to shreds!! your preconcieved idea of the typical single parents was evident from the start of the post i provided you with the alternative type which i get the feeling you didnt like but it is a fact! as i said before you picked the easiest target and your preconceptions smack of toryism in its purest form! i dont dispute there is the jeremy kyle branch of single parenthood who live up to the steroetype but lives can be turned. iv worked with teenage lone parents and believe it or not some do actually want to work but the obstacles are high to get them into work especially in areas with high unemployment where maybe none of their parents worked and have never had the example of what good honest work can bring. single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in seemed clear to me , and did not catagorise all single parents the same , it was specific to the ones that become pregnant and could not support themselves thats the joy of the written word it can be reffered back to as fact and i am very sorry to point out for the third time now yet another thing i did not say i did not say that single females who have children without being able to support themselves were "typical" you might try to put words in my mouth and there might be words that you wished i said but didnt your comments about what i said therefore must be deemed jactitation" ohh big words to emphasise how clever you are!! you said all single females ?? be warned? so if someone falls pregnant and dicky baws does a runner its hello the childrens home!! it all boils down to the same thing no matter how much you try to back track! here 3 examples mary 42 biological clock ticking decides to have baby. she has good job well paid takes the maternity leave etc then decides she not going back to work you taking the kid off her cause she cant support it and is goin on benefits? lilith 28 already has council house falls pregnant boyfriend stands by her until she 8 months pregnant then moves abroad with her best friend she has no childcare to go back to work no family or that to watch kiddo?? chardonay 16 still at school has a 3 sum one nite with 2 random teenagers no idea who father is but wants to continue her education once child is born ?? all different all the same!! and i cant put anything in your mouth your an adult you make your own choices which is more than what over 700000 people will have with your idea but its ok we sort out the deserving and undeserving. | |||
"the only factory near me is a bottling factory and when i spoke with the secretary one day she said they get roughly 20 calls a day from people looking for work. they expanded a wee while ago and i know they import a lot of alcohol abroad but the other bottling plant further away johnnie walkers is closing soon and production being moved abroad with the loss of hundreds of jobs. thats exactly the type of thing that concerns me , and if it was my decition would put a stop to it how ridiculous to have wiskey made outside scotland " thats diageo there a big boycott on up here over their plans because of what they done . | |||
"no you didnt make clear exactly what you were going to do you catagorised all single parents the same. thats the joy of politics ripping things to shreds!! your preconcieved idea of the typical single parents was evident from the start of the post i provided you with the alternative type which i get the feeling you didnt like but it is a fact! as i said before you picked the easiest target and your preconceptions smack of toryism in its purest form! i dont dispute there is the jeremy kyle branch of single parenthood who live up to the steroetype but lives can be turned. iv worked with teenage lone parents and believe it or not some do actually want to work but the obstacles are high to get them into work especially in areas with high unemployment where maybe none of their parents worked and have never had the example of what good honest work can bring. single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in seemed clear to me , and did not catagorise all single parents the same , it was specific to the ones that become pregnant and could not support themselves thats the joy of the written word it can be reffered back to as fact and i am very sorry to point out for the third time now yet another thing i did not say i did not say that single females who have children without being able to support themselves were "typical" you might try to put words in my mouth and there might be words that you wished i said but didnt your comments about what i said therefore must be deemed jactitation" Would that be 'legal jactitation' or 'physical jactitation' as both are completely different things | |||
"no you didnt make clear exactly what you were going to do you catagorised all single parents the same. thats the joy of politics ripping things to shreds!! your preconcieved idea of the typical single parents was evident from the start of the post i provided you with the alternative type which i get the feeling you didnt like but it is a fact! as i said before you picked the easiest target and your preconceptions smack of toryism in its purest form! i dont dispute there is the jeremy kyle branch of single parenthood who live up to the steroetype but lives can be turned. iv worked with teenage lone parents and believe it or not some do actually want to work but the obstacles are high to get them into work especially in areas with high unemployment where maybe none of their parents worked and have never had the example of what good honest work can bring. single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in seemed clear to me , and did not catagorise all single parents the same , it was specific to the ones that become pregnant and could not support themselves thats the joy of the written word it can be reffered back to as fact and i am very sorry to point out for the third time now yet another thing i did not say i did not say that single females who have children without being able to support themselves were "typical" you might try to put words in my mouth and there might be words that you wished i said but didnt your comments about what i said therefore must be deemed jactitation Would that be 'legal jactitation' or 'physical jactitation' as both are completely different things "Jactitation A false boast designed to increase standing at the expense of another. Noun: jactitation ,jak-ti'tey-shun 1.Speaking of oneself in a positive way with too much pride or self-indulgence that one make the most of it as thats the last response you will ever get from me | |||
"no you didnt make clear exactly what you were going to do you catagorised all single parents the same. thats the joy of politics ripping things to shreds!! your preconcieved idea of the typical single parents was evident from the start of the post i provided you with the alternative type which i get the feeling you didnt like but it is a fact! as i said before you picked the easiest target and your preconceptions smack of toryism in its purest form! i dont dispute there is the jeremy kyle branch of single parenthood who live up to the steroetype but lives can be turned. iv worked with teenage lone parents and believe it or not some do actually want to work but the obstacles are high to get them into work especially in areas with high unemployment where maybe none of their parents worked and have never had the example of what good honest work can bring. single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in seemed clear to me , and did not catagorise all single parents the same , it was specific to the ones that become pregnant and could not support themselves thats the joy of the written word it can be reffered back to as fact and i am very sorry to point out for the third time now yet another thing i did not say i did not say that single females who have children without being able to support themselves were "typical" you might try to put words in my mouth and there might be words that you wished i said but didnt your comments about what i said therefore must be deemed jactitation Would that be 'legal jactitation' or 'physical jactitation' as both are completely different things
Jactitation
A false boast designed to increase standing at the expense of another.
Noun: jactitation ,jak-ti'tey-shun
1.Speaking of oneself in a positive way with too much pride or self-indulgence
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make the most of it as thats the last response you will ever get from me "Okley Dokley | |||
"feel free to add on promote uk made products , and apply heavy import duty to things that can easily be made here single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in all councils , schools , goverment bodies etc etc , use exclusively the native language of english , other than languages taught in schools ( just like they do in germany , spain , france etc ) shorter sentances for prisoners , but while in custody they work at hard labour , to provide extra blankets or visits etc , the more productive they are the more remmision they gain remove all speed cameras , speed humps , if you get caught speeding 5 percent over the limit its £100 fine , over 5 percent its £2000 fine , and the car crushed parking on a yellow line £500 , second offence £2000 and car crushed porno magazines put on the middle shelves ( got lumbago in shoulder ) " I am glad you are not an MP lol | |||
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"no you didnt make clear exactly what you were going to do you catagorised all single parents the same. thats the joy of politics ripping things to shreds!! your preconcieved idea of the typical single parents was evident from the start of the post i provided you with the alternative type which i get the feeling you didnt like but it is a fact! as i said before you picked the easiest target and your preconceptions smack of toryism in its purest form! i dont dispute there is the jeremy kyle branch of single parenthood who live up to the steroetype but lives can be turned. iv worked with teenage lone parents and believe it or not some do actually want to work but the obstacles are high to get them into work especially in areas with high unemployment where maybe none of their parents worked and have never had the example of what good honest work can bring. single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in seemed clear to me , and did not catagorise all single parents the same , it was specific to the ones that become pregnant and could not support themselves thats the joy of the written word it can be reffered back to as fact and i am very sorry to point out for the third time now yet another thing i did not say i did not say that single females who have children without being able to support themselves were "typical" you might try to put words in my mouth and there might be words that you wished i said but didnt your comments about what i said therefore must be deemed jactitation ohh big words to emphasise how clever you are!! you said all single females ?? be warned? so if someone falls pregnant and dicky baws does a runner its hello the childrens home!! it all boils down to the same thing no matter how much you try to back track! here 3 examples mary 42 biological clock ticking decides to have baby. she has good job well paid takes the maternity leave etc then decides she not going back to work you taking the kid off her cause she cant support it and is goin on benefits? lilith 28 already has council house falls pregnant boyfriend stands by her until she 8 months pregnant then moves abroad with her best friend she has no childcare to go back to work no family or that to watch kiddo?? chardonay 16 still at school has a 3 sum one nite with 2 random teenagers no idea who father is but wants to continue her education once child is born ?? all different all the same!! and i cant put anything in your mouth your an adult you make your own choices which is more than what over 700000 people will have with your idea but its ok we sort out the deserving and undeserving." i did NOT say " all single females , i said single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in that excludes lets say women that CAN support themselves , so by definition does not mean ALL chardonay / should be offered a termination , or if she goes full term and then finds she cannot support herself the state should put the child into care , and up for adoption lileth / she had a boyfriend that was going to stand by her , and every intention that as a couple they would support themselves , but due to unforseen circumstances finds herself a single parent and she should be supported by the state mary / she has the choice of staying in employment and supporting herself , and employing a nanny , but she chooses not to do this and expects the state to to put food in her and the babys mouth + a roof over her head well im afraid people are getting fed up with supporting women like this just because they get " broody" i might fancy getting a ferari because the " body clock is ticking away " no one is going to pay for that so why should we pander to mary,s broody whims you could compare it to going on the dole if you get the sack , or are made redundant , you go straight on the dole but if you pack your job in because the food in the canteen is not up to much , you make yourself " intentionally " unemployed in those cases you have to wait a fortnight before geting the dole money the same word " intentional " applies to single women who are pregnant if there partner drops dead , buggers of to timbucktoo , or leaves them for another woman it is not intentional that they are single , in those cases they should recieve suport but if a woman wants to have a baby as a lifestyle choice , just to stop getting a job , or they fancy a baby cos they are broody , then let them pay for the bloody thing | |||
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"your really do live in daily mail land dontcha???? i just had a quick scan around my local area whilst at the toddlers group and cant find one person who delibirately fell pregnant to get a house and that luxury benefits money i keep hearing about?? as for termination is it going to be enforced termination because you say so? i sincererly hope no daughter or grandchild of yours finds themselves in the situation of bein pregnant and dumped the bit that annoyin me is that there no mention of what the fathers in these circumstances are doin?? or will it be you impregnanting them all to bring your plan of british world domination into power
i do apologise if i keep throwing up objections to you but as its a public forum and free state i will do it no fun in everyone agreein is there!! xx "theres no need for apoligies , im very glad to hear your opinion i am also happy to reply so that you know exactly the sentiments behind my thoughts as far as the women at your toddler group are concerned if they fell preganant diliberately or not im very happy for them as long as they can support themselves but if it was intentional , or by accident , and they became pregnant knowing full well they could not support themselves i see no reason why the tax payer should i know that living on benifits is not luxury by any stretch of the imagination , but it cost over £100,000 to support that mother and child to the age of 16 i have got 3 daughters and up to the age of 15 or so indulged in safe sex , ie groping etc , not full sex from the age of 16 they were on the pill AND carried condoms that i supplied them ( that was around the time all the AIDS warnings were on tv ) as far as termination goes i said it would be OFFERED to then not FORCED on them so if they wanted to carry the child to full term it would be put into care , and up for adoption if it is known who the father is then of course they should be made financially responsible for the welfare of the child , if you can squeeze the £ 100,000 it costs to raise the child to 16 thats great let the mother keep the child theres 2 problems with that though , one is that he is probably on job seekers allowance , and the other is that the MOTHERS i am talking about either dont know where the father lives , or dont know , or cant remember there name you might think that i am being hard on them but let me say this i was hard on myself , i was married for six years , and then the subject of having children came up we were humming and harring about it for 6 months before deciding to go ahead can we afford it ? what if the overtime dries up ? , can the wife do some shelf stacking in tesco on the night shift while i look after the kids ? if any of those questions had come up with the wrong answer we would not have had any children so my advice would be to any female that doesnt want to become pregnant because the goverment wont pay the £100,000 it costs to rear that child, and if they become pregnant by accident the child we be put into care and up for adoption , they should try going on the pill , using a dutch cap , or coil like ant other sensible person would | |||
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"Luton allow me to throw some financial maths at you.... £100,000 for the state to keep a mother and child until the child is 16? As apposed to £17,000 per annum to keep a child in care... I make that £172,000 cheaper to let a mother keep her child, and there is also the very real possibility that during that 16 years she will want to better herself and take a job....so even cheaper for the State." dont forget there are people desperate to adopt especially new born children the child would not be in care for more than a few months | |||
"Luton allow me to throw some financial maths at you.... £100,000 for the state to keep a mother and child until the child is 16? As apposed to £17,000 per annum to keep a child in care... I make that £172,000 cheaper to let a mother keep her child, and there is also the very real possibility that during that 16 years she will want to better herself and take a job....so even cheaper for the State. dont forget there are people desperate to adopt especially new born children the child would not be in care for more than a few months" there may be people desperate to adopt but many do not make it through the final process its a long hard road to adopt or even foster and many placements do break down for various reasons.x | |||
"single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in" Who defines what amount you need to support yourself - I'm a single parent and have not always been in a position to support myself fully, does this mean you'd want to rip my family apart, would you take the children away from widows who find it difficult too financially support themselves through no fault of their own. IMHO your concept/manifesto is ill conceived. Very few individuals set out with the sole purpose of having a child to claim benefits and housing. The vast majority have found ourselves in this position through no real fault of our own and make the best of a bad situation. I have worked full time as a single parent since my daughter was 18 months old and have need some financial support along the (esp in the early days) for which I'm very grateful. If anyone had tried to take my child away from me because I need financial support it would have cost the state an awful lot more in counseling for my daughter due to the trauma you have inflicted on her through the forcible removal and prison for me because I would not have allowed it to happen voluntary. Have we learned no lessons from the past where children were removed from loving caring enviorments and placed in care or for adoption against the wishes of the family. Many spend years comming to terms with the trauma caused and are still looking for rational justifications for these actions. | |||
"single females warned that if they become pregnant and cannot support themselves , the baby will be cared for by the state and put up for adoption , as opposed to providing them with income support and a flat to live in" Who defines what amount you need to support yourself - I'm a single parent and have not always been in a position to support myself fully, does this mean you'd want to rip my family apart, would you take the children away from widows who find it difficult too financially support themselves through no fault of their own. IMHO your concept/manifesto is ill conceived. Very few individuals set out with the sole purpose of having a child to claim benefits and housing. The vast majority have found ourselves in this position through no real fault of our own and make the best of a bad situation. I have worked full time as a single parent since my daughter was 18 months old and have need some financial support along the (esp in the early days) for which I'm very grateful. If anyone had tried to take my child away from me because I need financial support it would have cost the state an awful lot more in counseling for my daughter due to the trauma you have inflicted on her through the forcible removal and prison for me because I would not have allowed it to happen voluntary. Have we learned no lessons from the past where children were removed from loving caring enviorments and placed in care or for adoption against the wishes of the family. Many spend years comming to terms with the trauma caused and are still looking for rational justifications for these actions. | |||
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"Luton allow me to throw some financial maths at you.... £100,000 for the state to keep a mother and child until the child is 16? As apposed to £17,000 per annum to keep a child in care... I make that £172,000 cheaper to let a mother keep her child, and there is also the very real possibility that during that 16 years she will want to better herself and take a job....so even cheaper for the State. dont forget there are people desperate to adopt especially new born children the child would not be in care for more than a few months" Approx. 340,000 babies born to unmarried women in the UK every year as I said before, nothing has changed since my earlier post....you still need to explain where you are going to get 340,000 prospective couples from who want to adopt. You are severely over estimating the amount of couples looking to adopt. According to the UK Adoption Agency, there were 37,000 couples wishing to adopt in 2008/9. That is little more than One in Ten babies taken out of the care homes and adopted. By my estimation that is a bill of £5.1 billion per annum extra needed to keep these kids in care. So I say it again....you REALLY haven't thought this out have you? | |||
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"you can talk about this for ever and you will not get an aswer.I have a Question for you if an under age girl like 13-14 years old falls Pregnant Why isent the father of the child in jail.Becourse it is aginst the law or am i wrong here?Or couples having 10-12 children and get holidays and everything payed for becourse they are under stress?" So where did you read about families with 10-12 children getting holidays paid for by the State?.....Mail, Express, Sun? | |||
"you can talk about this for ever and you will not get an aswer.I have a Question for you if an under age girl like 13-14 years old falls Pregnant Why isent the father of the child in jail.Becourse it is aginst the law or am i wrong here?Or couples having 10-12 children and get holidays and everything payed for becourse they are under stress?" cause the father may be the same age therefore they are both breaking the law?? does anyone know any of these families with 10 to 12 kids gettin free holidays off the top of the head the only one i can think of with that amount of kids, both mum and dad work as teachers and cant think of any others with families that size x | |||
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"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear "Ohhhhh can I join your party, I like your Manifesto  | |||
"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear "You have my vote....where do I place my 'X'? | |||
"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear "u got my vote!! on those grounds xx | |||
"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear "At last a fun manifesto for all - you have my vote too | |||
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"Luton allow me to throw some financial maths at you.... £100,000 for the state to keep a mother and child until the child is 16? As apposed to £17,000 per annum to keep a child in care... I make that £172,000 cheaper to let a mother keep her child, and there is also the very real possibility that during that 16 years she will want to better herself and take a job....so even cheaper for the State. dont forget there are people desperate to adopt especially new born children the child would not be in care for more than a few months" Then why do some kids spend their whole chilhood in care? | |||
"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear "Can I add one more 5) Singles allowed every night of the week in every club | |||
"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear
Can I add one more
5) Singles allowed every night of the week in every club "Oh no I don't think that would go down too well lol | |||
"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear
Can I add one more
5) Singles allowed every night of the week in every club
Oh no I don't think that would go down too well lol "Spoil Sport | |||
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"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear
Can I add one more
5) Singles allowed every night of the week in every club
Oh no I don't think that would go down too well lol
Spoil Sport "if found singles go down very well if you train them good enough!! x | |||
"ffs I thought this was going to be a thread proposing improvements to swinging 1) 4 day weekend 2) Hotels to charge by the hour 3) A club in every town with consistant membership fees 4) VAT free fun gear
Can I add one more
5) Singles allowed every night of the week in every club
Oh no I don't think that would go down too well lol
Spoil Sport
if found singles go down very well if you train them good enough!! x "Nowt wrong with singles, we're Fab and my manifesto doesn't discriminate. | |||
