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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." Took the words out of my mouth  | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." Why are people who choose to practice a faith stupid? | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism.Why are people who choose to practice a faith stupid? " I'm not sure anywhere in my comments I said that was the soul reason for religion or that it has only one use. You are putting words in my mouth madam. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." some very successfull and pretty clever people have faith.. i dont get it myself but the actual concept of pure faith in a belief system is a tad intriguing.. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. some very successfull and pretty clever people have faith.. i dont get it myself but the actual concept of pure faith in a belief system is a tad intriguing.. " As above. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." unfortunately you are right there .most wars and conflicts resulting in innocent people being killed murdered over religion, do we need it no we don't think for yourselves | |||
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"I have no religion and never needed one to tell me the difference between right and wrong. " How did you learn the difference between right and wrong? Or were you born with that knowledge? Accepting that you know the difference, have you ever chosen to do the wrong thing in life? | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. some very successfull and pretty clever people have faith.. i dont get it myself but the actual concept of pure faith in a belief system is a tad intriguing.. As above." do not call me madam.. 
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. " Again, as above. 
A merely gave a reason to advocate religion. Not the ONLY reason to advocate religion. But thank you for the comments. Very revealing. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. some very successfull and pretty clever people have faith.. i dont get it myself but the actual concept of pure faith in a belief system is a tad intriguing.. As above. do not call me madam..
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. Again, as above.
A merely gave a reason to advocate religion. Not the ONLY reason to advocate religion. But thank you for the comments. Very revealing."Its an opinion, granted its one by many you will also find the view that someone cheats on their partner to be a stupid action along with people who exceed the sped limit. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. Again, as above.
A merely gave a reason to advocate religion. Not the ONLY reason to advocate religion. But thank you for the comments. Very revealing.
Its an opinion, granted its one by many you will also find the view that someone cheats on their partner to be a stupid action along with people who exceed the sped limit."LOL are you just throwing turds now and seeing what will stick? Stay on topic please and Merry Christmas x | |||
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" ...............most wars and conflicts resulting in innocent people being killed murdered over religion, do we need it no we don't think for yourselves " Do you really think that most wars and conflicts are primarily because of religion or do you think that greed, power, status and revenge may be key drivers? | |||
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" .most wars and conflicts resulting in innocent people being killed murdered over religion, do we need it no we don't think for yourselves " China quite successfully managed to launch several wars unhindered by any concept of religion. Belief in religion is a choice. It gives a great many people stability and happiness. There will always a need for that | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. Again, as above.
A merely gave a reason to advocate religion. Not the ONLY reason to advocate religion. But thank you for the comments. Very revealing.
Its an opinion, granted its one by many you will also find the view that someone cheats on their partner to be a stupid action along with people who exceed the sped limit.
LOL are you just throwing turds now and seeing what will stick? Stay on topic please and Merry Christmas x"No not at all just pointing out another couple of things people have equated as stupid in the past. I could have also added bareback sex and meeting in unsafe situations I am intrigued now why you feel its throwing turds it is an unusual remark to make. | |||
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"I have no religion and never needed one to tell me the difference between right and wrong. How did you learn the difference between right and wrong? Or were you born with that knowledge? Accepting that you know the difference, have you ever chosen to do the wrong thing in life?" I was never raised in any religion. Of course my parents were my first guide to right and wrong but I've always had a very strong sense of injustice. As for ever doing wrong - yes I have but then I have seen religious people do wrong too so that argument is pretty irrelevant to me. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." You can omit the word stupid, you know. | |||
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"I have no religion and never needed one to tell me the difference between right and wrong. How did you learn the difference between right and wrong? Or were you born with that knowledge? Accepting that you know the difference, have you ever chosen to do the wrong thing in life? I was never raised in any religion. Of course my parents were my first guide to right and wrong but I've always had a very strong sense of injustice. As for ever doing wrong - yes I have but then I have seen religious people do wrong too so that argument is pretty irrelevant to me. " Fact is if you are native British (or northern European) your whole life has been shaped and guided by Christianity. and those born and bread in other cultures are equally shaped and guided by their dominant religions. We are all children of religion and saying that religion is not relevant to your life shows a total lack of understanding of religions impact on all our lives. | |||
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"I have no religion and never needed one to tell me the difference between right and wrong. How did you learn the difference between right and wrong? Or were you born with that knowledge? Accepting that you know the difference, have you ever chosen to do the wrong thing in life? I was never raised in any religion. Of course my parents were my first guide to right and wrong but I've always had a very strong sense of injustice. As for ever doing wrong - yes I have but then I have seen religious people do wrong too so that argument is pretty irrelevant to me. Fact is if you are native British (or northern European) your whole life has been shaped and guided by Christianity. and those born and bread in other cultures are equally shaped and guided by their dominant religions. We are all children of religion and saying that religion is not relevant to your life shows a total lack of understanding of religions impact on all our lives. " I understand your argument. However I still stand by what I say. I do not need any religion to tell me the difference between right and wrong. Furthermore what I may consider right most monotheistic religions preach is wrong. And vice versa. Otherwise I would not be on a site like this. | |||
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"why does god need people?" Read Terry Pratchett. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. " He didn't equate religion with stupidity, it was actually a very clever answer. The God of the gaps means that people throughout time have chosen to attribute anything they cannot explain to a deity. If the leaves on the trees turn brown, God must have done it, if the sun hides behind the moon, God did that too. Wherever there were gaps in our knowledge, the gaps became 'evidence' of God. As we advance and work out more for ourselves the gaps are shrinking and therefore so are the things that get attributed to God. Imagine if you will someone who faced with a solar eclipse and presented with a full explanation of the physics, chooses to ignore the explanation and maintains a belief that God has taken the sun away as some kind of punishment. Maybe that kind of individual could be described as stupid? Maybe that kind of individual will always hold onto any aspect of their belief no matter what. Maybe that's why religion in that context will always be needed by some? Maybe thats the point Funky was making? Please be under no illusion, I would argue that religious belief does not equate to stupidity. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. He didn't equate religion with stupidity, it was actually a very clever answer. The God of the gaps means that people throughout time have chosen to attribute anything they cannot explain to a deity. If the leaves on the trees turn brown, God must have done it, if the sun hides behind the moon, God did that too. Wherever there were gaps in our knowledge, the gaps became 'evidence' of God. As we advance and work out more for ourselves the gaps are shrinking and therefore so are the things that get attributed to God. Imagine if you will someone who faced with a solar eclipse and presented with a full explanation of the physics, chooses to ignore the explanation and maintains a belief that God has taken the sun away as some kind of punishment. Maybe that kind of individual could be described as stupid? Maybe that kind of individual will always hold onto any aspect of their belief no matter what. Maybe that's why religion in that context will always be needed by some? Maybe thats the point Funky was making? Please be under no illusion, I would argue that religious belief does not equate to stupidity. " More eloquent than I will ever be but that was my gist! | |||
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"I bet your all celebrating Christmas though lol" It's simply a midwinter festival for me. I have no religious iconography on show apart from the occasional card sent by others. We have had midwinter feasts in this country for millenia way before Christianity piggy-backed on to it. | |||
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"I have no religion and never needed one to tell me the difference between right and wrong. How did you learn the difference between right and wrong? Or were you born with that knowledge? Accepting that you know the difference, have you ever chosen to do the wrong thing in life? I was never raised in any religion. Of course my parents were my first guide to right and wrong but I've always had a very strong sense of injustice. As for ever doing wrong - yes I have but then I have seen religious people do wrong too so that argument is pretty irrelevant to me. Fact is if you are native British (or northern European) your whole life has been shaped and guided by Christianity. and those born and bread in other cultures are equally shaped and guided by their dominant religions. We are all children of religion and saying that religion is not relevant to your life shows a total lack of understanding of religions impact on all our lives. "  | |||
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"I have no religion and never needed one to tell me the difference between right and wrong. How did you learn the difference between right and wrong? Or were you born with that knowledge? Accepting that you know the difference, have you ever chosen to do the wrong thing in life? I was never raised in any religion. Of course my parents were my first guide to right and wrong but I've always had a very strong sense of injustice. As for ever doing wrong - yes I have but then I have seen religious people do wrong too so that argument is pretty irrelevant to me. Fact is if you are native British (or northern European) your whole life has been shaped and guided by Christianity. and those born and bread in other cultures are equally shaped and guided by their dominant religions. We are all children of religion and saying that religion is not relevant to your life shows a total lack of understanding of religions impact on all our lives. I understand your argument. However I still stand by what I say. I do not need any religion to tell me the difference between right and wrong. Furthermore what I may consider right most monotheistic religions preach is wrong. And vice versa. Otherwise I would not be on a site like this. " | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism.Why are people who choose to practice a faith stupid? " The only faith I have is in myself, those close to me and the "Airborne Brotherhood" however I defend the right of anyone to believe in anything...... | |||
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"some people do need faith, I personally don't. If we weren't fighting over religion it would be something else, conflict is unfortunately in our nature. Just look at football, a ball game but people still fight over their teams lol"
I guess part of my question is that if we accept conflict, competition, survival of the fittest as being core to the human story. Has religion dampened those urges or fuelled them.
It's easy to focus on the negative aspects, but when we look at the positive ones like compassion, treat thy neighbour as thyself type teachings, has religion been a 'net good or a net bad' over time?
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"some people do need faith, I personally don't. If we weren't fighting over religion it would be something else, conflict is unfortunately in our nature. Just look at football, a ball game but people still fight over their teams lol
I guess part of my question is that if we accept conflict, competition, survival of the fittest as being core to the human story. Has religion dampened those urges or fuelled them.
It's easy to focus on the negative aspects, but when we look at the positive ones like compassion, treat thy neighbour as thyself type teachings, has religion been a 'net good or a net bad' over time?
"Very difficult to ascertain. I just think of when I did a tour of the Vatican museum. The astonishing wealth was quite sickening when considering the amount of poverty in Catholic countries across the world. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. He didn't equate religion with stupidity, it was actually a very clever answer. The God of the gaps means that people throughout time have chosen to attribute anything they cannot explain to a deity. If the leaves on the trees turn brown, God must have done it, if the sun hides behind the moon, God did that too. Wherever there were gaps in our knowledge, the gaps became 'evidence' of God. As we advance and work out more for ourselves the gaps are shrinking and therefore so are the things that get attributed to God. Imagine if you will someone who faced with a solar eclipse and presented with a full explanation of the physics, chooses to ignore the explanation and maintains a belief that God has taken the sun away as some kind of punishment. Maybe that kind of individual could be described as stupid? Maybe that kind of individual will always hold onto any aspect of their belief no matter what. Maybe that's why religion in that context will always be needed by some? Maybe thats the point Funky was making? Please be under no illusion, I would argue that religious belief does not equate to stupidity. " Really? 2+2 = 4 always have and always will bringing in a reference to stupid people on a do we need religion thread leaves little to interpretation and very little cleverness involved more so the lack of it and the inability to express thoughts in a more concise less inflammatory way. That's unless you perceive the comment to be intended to be inflammatory and disruptive. | |||
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" I do not need any religion to tell me the difference between right and wrong. Furthermore what I may consider right most monotheistic religions preach is wrong. And vice versa. Otherwise I would not be on a site like this. " Well said. | |||
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"i used to think religion was for weak willed people that didnt have the capacity to give their own lives direction. however, i have also found the religion, used in its purest and most sensible form, can give people a great sense of calm and sense of being when life itself fails to offer any structure or reason. is it for everyone? no, i havent had any divine inclination since i was a kid. is there a place in the modern world for it? of course there is, just like there is a place for many things that others will find distasteful. only when something is bastardised and screwed to be something its not is it the called into question, and all religious teachings are there for interpretation by those reading it. 30 people can get 30 different meanings from the same passage" Well put it puts things into context. | |||
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" Really? 2+2 = 4 always have and always will bringing in a reference to stupid people on a do we need religion thread leaves little to interpretation and very little cleverness involved more so the lack of it and the inability to express thoughts in a more concise less inflammatory way. That's unless you perceive the comment to be intended to be inflammatory and disruptive. " It only leaves little to interpretation if you close your mind to interpretation. I choose the comment to have been intended to stimulate debate. | |||
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" 2+2 = 4 always have and always will " Really? 2+2=11 (base 3) Need I say any more? | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism.Why are people who choose to practice a faith stupid? " only to ignorant people they stupid | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Took the words out of my mouth " | |||
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" .most wars and conflicts resulting in innocent people being killed murdered over religion, " The assumption that religion is at the root of most of the major conflicts in human history seems to be ingrained in our society. But is this assumption correct? According to the Encyclopedia of Wars (Phillips and Axelrod), of the 1,763 major conflicts in recorded history, only 123 of them can be classified as having been fought over religious differences. That’s less than 7 percent. The encyclopedia also explains that the number of people killed in these conflicts amounts to only two percent. This means that even when wars have been fought over religious disputes, they tend to be less bloody than when they are fought for other reasons. | |||
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" Really? 2+2 = 4 always have and always will bringing in a reference to stupid people on a do we need religion thread leaves little to interpretation and very little cleverness involved more so the lack of it and the inability to express thoughts in a more concise less inflammatory way. That's unless you perceive the comment to be intended to be inflammatory and disruptive. It only leaves little to interpretation if you close your mind to interpretation. I choose the comment to have been intended to stimulate debate. " Regardless of if I meant to be inflammatory or not (I didn't BTW). It clearly became so! However my point still stands throughout the ages religion has been used as a mechanism for control. Control over people less able to manage themselves. It has provided a vital service in that respect but has arguably been misused at times by powers with more selfish agendas. There are many aspects of religion, this is just one. Not at any point did I say everyone was stupid for joining a religion. The comfort religion can bring during traumatic times is incredible and I have first hand experience of this. Also the feeling of togetherness and the thought that some greater power is somewhere in the background pulling the strings is immensely re-assuring to some. I certainly would never ever judge the value of something to someone else by using my own values as a gauge, that really would be stupid. | |||
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" .most wars and conflicts resulting in innocent people being killed murdered over religion, The assumption that religion is at the root of most of the major conflicts in human history seems to be ingrained in our society. But is this assumption correct? According to the Encyclopedia of Wars (Phillips and Axelrod), of the 1,763 major conflicts in recorded history, only 123 of them can be classified as having been fought over religious differences. That’s less than 7 percent. The encyclopedia also explains that the number of people killed in these conflicts amounts to only two percent. This means that even when wars have been fought over religious disputes, they tend to be less bloody than when they are fought for other reasons." but history is written by the victors, as it were. loook at the bullshit with the islamic fundamentalists and the west now. it started off as a problem with americas foreign policy concerning the middle east, and is now bastardised into some kind of holy war. when the changeover occured, who knows, but which story will history record as correct? will it be a religious conflict, or the original conflict over politics? | |||
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" Really? 2+2 = 4 always have and always will bringing in a reference to stupid people on a do we need religion thread leaves little to interpretation and very little cleverness involved more so the lack of it and the inability to express thoughts in a more concise less inflammatory way. That's unless you perceive the comment to be intended to be inflammatory and disruptive. It only leaves little to interpretation if you close your mind to interpretation. I choose the comment to have been intended to stimulate debate. Regardless of if I meant to be inflammatory or not (I didn't BTW). It clearly became so! However my point still stands throughout the ages religion has been used as a mechanism for control. Control over people less able to manage themselves. It has provided a vital service in that respect but has arguably been misused at times by powers with more selfish agendas. There are many aspects of religion, this is just one. Not at any point did I say everyone was stupid for joining a religion. The comfort religion can bring during traumatic times is incredible and I have first hand experience of this. Also the feeling of togetherness and the thought that some greater power is somewhere in the background pulling the strings is immensely re-assuring to some. I certainly would never ever judge the value of something to someone else by using my own values as a gauge, that really would be stupid." Really? You need to read more of what you type then as its a common trait but saying that the majority of society make judgements on their own values that is how people compare things. Wouldn't really stupid be a comment for lack of forethought before verbal or keyboard action rather than in a derisory way. | |||
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" Really? 2+2 = 4 always have and always will bringing in a reference to stupid people on a do we need religion thread leaves little to interpretation and very little cleverness involved more so the lack of it and the inability to express thoughts in a more concise less inflammatory way. That's unless you perceive the comment to be intended to be inflammatory and disruptive. It only leaves little to interpretation if you close your mind to interpretation. I choose the comment to have been intended to stimulate debate. Regardless of if I meant to be inflammatory or not (I didn't BTW). It clearly became so! However my point still stands throughout the ages religion has been used as a mechanism for control. Control over people less able to manage themselves. It has provided a vital service in that respect but has arguably been misused at times by powers with more selfish agendas. There are many aspects of religion, this is just one. Not at any point did I say everyone was stupid for joining a religion. The comfort religion can bring during traumatic times is incredible and I have first hand experience of this. Also the feeling of togetherness and the thought that some greater power is somewhere in the background pulling the strings is immensely re-assuring to some. I certainly would never ever judge the value of something to someone else by using my own values as a gauge, that really would be stupid. Really? You need to read more of what you type then as its a common trait but saying that the majority of society make judgements on their own values that is how people compare things. Wouldn't really stupid be a comment for lack of forethought before verbal or keyboard action rather than in a derisory way. " *can't help think this might be about me and not religion*  | |||
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" Really? 2+2 = 4 always have and always will bringing in a reference to stupid people on a do we need religion thread leaves little to interpretation and very little cleverness involved more so the lack of it and the inability to express thoughts in a more concise less inflammatory way. That's unless you perceive the comment to be intended to be inflammatory and disruptive. It only leaves little to interpretation if you close your mind to interpretation. I choose the comment to have been intended to stimulate debate. Regardless of if I meant to be inflammatory or not (I didn't BTW). It clearly became so! However my point still stands throughout the ages religion has been used as a mechanism for control. Control over people less able to manage themselves. It has provided a vital service in that respect but has arguably been misused at times by powers with more selfish agendas. There are many aspects of religion, this is just one. Not at any point did I say everyone was stupid for joining a religion. The comfort religion can bring during traumatic times is incredible and I have first hand experience of this. Also the feeling of togetherness and the thought that some greater power is somewhere in the background pulling the strings is immensely re-assuring to some. I certainly would never ever judge the value of something to someone else by using my own values as a gauge, that really would be stupid. Really? You need to read more of what you type then as its a common trait but saying that the majority of society make judgements on their own values that is how people compare things. Wouldn't really stupid be a comment for lack of forethought before verbal or keyboard action rather than in a derisory way. *can't help think this might be about me and not religion* "Is that a personal judgement make on your own values? The reality its a comment made on typed words and a viewpoint in general that's is what reply's to posts on forums generally are. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism.Why are people who choose to practice a faith stupid? " I was going to ask the same thing. I think it's a case of each to their own and leave it at that, no need to be rude about people. | |||
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" Fact is if you are native British (or northern European) your whole life has been shaped and guided by Christianity. and those born and bread in other cultures are equally shaped and guided by their dominant religions. We are all children of religion and saying that religion is not relevant to your life shows a total lack of understanding of religions impact on all our lives. " the conditioning aspect when young is all part and parcel, as a child it was part of the curriculum to study RE.. not sure if thats the case now, respect that awareness of other cultures and belief sysytems is a good thing if its used positivelly in breaking down barriers. Sadly thats not the case for many.. Lickety's quiz thread yesterday probably confirms that conditioning, how many of us knew most of the answers and are not practising or involved in education etc... | |||
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" however, i have also found the religion, used in its purest and most sensible form, can give people a great sense of calm and sense of being when life itself fails to offer any structure or reason" Try a bottle of Jack, does pretty much the same thing  | |||
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" .most wars and conflicts resulting in innocent people being killed murdered over religion, The assumption that religion is at the root of most of the major conflicts in human history seems to be ingrained in our society. But is this assumption correct? According to the Encyclopedia of Wars (Phillips and Axelrod), of the 1,763 major conflicts in recorded history, only 123 of them can be classified as having been fought over religious differences. That’s less than 7 percent. The encyclopedia also explains that the number of people killed in these conflicts amounts to only two percent. This means that even when wars have been fought over religious disputes, they tend to be less bloody than when they are fought for other reasons. but history is written by the victors, as it were. loook at the bullshit with the islamic fundamentalists and the west now. it started off as a problem with americas foreign policy concerning the middle east, and is now bastardised into some kind of holy war. when the changeover occured, who knows, but which story will history record as correct? will it be a religious conflict, or the original conflict over politics?" Nonetheless it was an interesting point...and challenges the perceived wisdom that religion is the root of most wars... Some religious and some irreligious people commit atrocities...and unfortunately always will. Ultimately, and I paraphrase Satre, when the rich and powerful, whether religious or not, wage war, it's the poor who die. The question of absolute morality and relavitism is an interesting one to me... Religions claim to have it by default, though it can certainly appear intolerant of certain sub groups (women/gays...), but then some libertarians appear to tolerate almost anything include drug use etc.. We all have slightly different moral compasses I think...religion likes nice, tidy uniformity..the flip side being the complete freedom to choose.. Hence differences over years with regards to age of consent, legality of drugs, child labour.. I am restricted by my perspective which has been shaped by my experiences in a liberal society, but we're heading in the right direction... Perhaps we would have gotten there anyway...perhaps religion provided a leg up... Hmmmm...sorry for going on and on!!! | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much." I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11." oh i know thats why i mentioned Over Complicating things because in the real world it doesn't if you count with Physical objects it will always be Four | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. oh i know thats why i mentioned Over Complicating things because in the real world it doesn't if you count with Physical objects it will always be Four" Well religion is pretty complicated! | |||
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"religious beliefs are like marmite you either CHOOSE to have the faith or you don't, its all about choices we make as human beings. some people claim to have no faith or belief, however in their hour of need they seek solace in or from something that cannot be explained but is there in whatever guise suits them, that is their choice. so whether your practice or have a faith held in Christianity, catholicism, Judaism, Islam, sikhism, serfism , Buddhism, jedi, paganism or your a atheist then are all one under the same sky. one love one life be happy live as one. merry Christmas " | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism.Why are people who choose to practice a faith stupid? " Correlation does not imply causation. | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. oh i know thats why i mentioned Over Complicating things because in the real world it doesn't if you count with Physical objects it will always be Four Well religion is pretty complicated! " .....JEEPERS CREEPERS!!!! ? | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. oh i know thats why i mentioned Over Complicating things because in the real world it doesn't if you count with Physical objects it will always be Four" Cosmologists often use ideas like infinity too..which isn't something we can experience, but it's one suggestion when the Big Bang is discussed...zero mass, infinite density.... Some mathematicians disputed this aspect of the theory for precisely the reason you pointed out... In a Euclidean or Einsteinium (or whatever) universe, infinity isn't something our senses can experience.. Nonetheless it's all interesting at the very least | |||
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" however, i have also found the religion, used in its purest and most sensible form, can give people a great sense of calm and sense of being when life itself fails to offer any structure or reason Try a bottle of Jack, does pretty much the same thing "not if the help you require is to cure yourself on an addiction to alcohol lol | |||
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"I don't believe we need religion to survive. It's a human creation, and whichever one you choose if any, it base reasons are personal to each of us. I don't adhere to any of them myself, preferring Darwinism. However I think that the original idea behind religion was about giving hope. Allowing us to think that there could be something more beyond these short lives we live. It's just a shame that along the way it has been twisted, or viewed with blinkered eyes on occasion by selfish people for their own gain. " The original idea behind religion was (and is) control. Religions want your money and your obedience. | |||
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"I don't believe we need religion to survive. It's a human creation, and whichever one you choose if any, it base reasons are personal to each of us. I don't adhere to any of them myself, preferring Darwinism. However I think that the original idea behind religion was about giving hope. Allowing us to think that there could be something more beyond these short lives we live. It's just a shame that along the way it has been twisted, or viewed with blinkered eyes on occasion by selfish people for their own gain. The original idea behind religion was (and is) control. Religions want your money and your obedience." And unfortunately it is used for that, and always will be. | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion?" ....fear of the bogeyman! | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion?....fear of the bogeyman!" Snot that | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much." And again you make an absolute statement that is demonstrably wrong. Then when you are shown exactly how wrong you are you refuse to acknowledge your error and refuse to change and repeat your first statement, add a codicil and attempt to discredit any who do not subscribe to your point of view. Sounds a little like religious dogma to me. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." So very true | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion?" its how we evolved.many years before religion we lived in groups to aide survival.the best way for those groups to succeed is to get along. our default setting is to get along. | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion? its how we evolved.many years before religion we lived in groups to aide survival.the best way for those groups to succeed is to get along. our default setting is to get along. " so, the 'commandments' are based on society, and not the other way around? | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion? its how we evolved.many years before religion we lived in groups to aide survival.the best way for those groups to succeed is to get along. our default setting is to get along. so, the 'commandments' are based on society, and not the other way around?" Well there have been many many different societies which had their own moral guidelines way before the commandments. | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism. Why equate stupidity to religion? Stupidity is better suited to people who repeat crap about time machines and blue people in a desperate bid for attention. But hey that's just my point of view i guess. " So am I bull stupid to believe in life on other planets and the fact that they have visited us? Where I don't follow religion some do as a need to know and believe that this life we got now is not all we live for, and that someday they will see departed love ones, there's a saying that I heared before. Man is smart people are stupid, as I don't think anyone who believe is god is stupid. I do think the idea of god is. That there is a all powerful being watchings us testing us daily to see if we deserve to be taken into his kingdom and be for ever at peace. But in saying that I do thank god for Darwin hehe  | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion? its how we evolved.many years before religion we lived in groups to aide survival.the best way for those groups to succeed is to get along. our default setting is to get along. so, the 'commandments' are based on society, and not the other way around? Well there have been many many different societies which had their own moral guidelines way before the commandments. " but all societies seem to run along the same moral guidelines, allbeit only similar, not exact, so how, the world over, does everyone seem to find the same things acceptable and abhorant? yes, there are exceptions, as there is in everything, but on a broad scale, similar | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion? its how we evolved.many years before religion we lived in groups to aide survival.the best way for those groups to succeed is to get along. our default setting is to get along. so, the 'commandments' are based on society, and not the other way around? Well there have been many many different societies which had their own moral guidelines way before the commandments. but all societies seem to run along the same moral guidelines, allbeit only similar, not exact, so how, the world over, does everyone seem to find the same things acceptable and abhorant? yes, there are exceptions, as there is in everything, but on a broad scale, similar" I'm not an expert on the history of moral thought, but the little I know suggests that morality isn't static... Slavery has been acceptable in the past, cannibalism, prostitution which some abhor, others feel people should be free to do with their bodies as they wish, eating certain animals, or any animals, incest..... Generally, a sense of justice prevails across history. It seems relative to the time, place and the dominant culture. Religion on the other hand is, rightly or wrongly, very rigid with regards to its moral framework and promotes absolutes. | |||
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"so, to expand on the question, where do people get their morality from? yes, we are taught right and wrong from our parents, and so on, but where does morality come from, if not a base in religion? its how we evolved.many years before religion we lived in groups to aide survival.the best way for those groups to succeed is to get along. our default setting is to get along. so, the 'commandments' are based on society, and not the other way around? Well there have been many many different societies which had their own moral guidelines way before the commandments. but all societies seem to run along the same moral guidelines, allbeit only similar, not exact, so how, the world over, does everyone seem to find the same things acceptable and abhorant? yes, there are exceptions, as there is in everything, but on a broad scale, similar I'm not an expert on the history of moral thought, but the little I know suggests that morality isn't static... Slavery has been acceptable in the past, cannibalism, prostitution which some abhor, others feel people should be free to do with their bodies as they wish, eating certain animals, or any animals, incest..... Generally, a sense of justice prevails across history. It seems relative to the time, place and the dominant culture. Religion on the other hand is, rightly or wrongly, very rigid with regards to its moral framework and promotes absolutes." | |||
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"I just recently became an apostate, Though questioned my religion for a long time. I'm so happy I did, but it's a shame I can't express my lack of belief." WoW! What a brave thing to do and say (even here). You have my respect! Good luck to you. | |||
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"........... Even if there was no religion, I still think there would be wars etc." Yes, there would but religion makes it easier to know who to fight. It works on the streets of Glasgow too. | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate???" No it means a person do leaves a religion etc | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate???" Are you really such an idiot? That brave lady has just said she has turned her back on Islam, THAT CARRIES AN AUTOMATIC DEATH SENTENCE IN THAT RELIGION! And you come out with your trite comments, hang your head in shame! | |||
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"I just recently became an apostate, Though questioned my religion for a long time. I'm so happy I did, but it's a shame I can't express my lack of belief. WoW! What a brave thing to do and say (even here). You have my respect! Good luck to you." Thanks, I'm glad I'm not in a Muslim country, otherwise it is punishable by death. | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate??? No it means a person do leaves a religion etc" ,,...Like mo johnstone ?? | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate??? No it means a person do leaves a religion etc,,...Like mo johnstone ??" Don't know who that is. | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate??? No it means a person do leaves a religion etc,,...Like mo johnstone ??" Did he leave or was he pushed? | |||
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"I just recently became an apostate, Though questioned my religion for a long time. I'm so happy I did, but it's a shame I can't express my lack of belief. WoW! What a brave thing to do and say (even here). You have my respect! Good luck to you. Thanks, I'm glad I'm not in a Muslim country, otherwise it is punishable by death. " I know I do not really have to say this but please be careful even here you are not 100% safe. Would have replied privately but I am outside your age range. | |||
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"I just recently became an apostate, Though questioned my religion for a long time. I'm so happy I did, but it's a shame I can't express my lack of belief. WoW! What a brave thing to do and say (even here). You have my respect! Good luck to you. Thanks, I'm glad I'm not in a Muslim country, otherwise it is punishable by death. I know I do not really have to say this but please be careful even here you are not 100% safe. Would have replied privately but I am outside your age range." Yes I guess I should. | |||
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"I just recently became an apostate, Though questioned my religion for a long time. I'm so happy I did, but it's a shame I can't express my lack of belief. WoW! What a brave thing to do and say (even here). You have my respect! Good luck to you. Thanks, I'm glad I'm not in a Muslim country, otherwise it is punishable by death. " which is maybe the reason why fanatics hate our 'liberal' religions so much. the ones they practice keep their people (women) down much more than any western religion does, even to this day good on you, madam poster. | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate??? No it means a person do leaves a religion etc,,...Like mo johnstone ?? Don't know who that is." ....like kenny miller but more sleekit. x x X | |||
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"I think religion isn't for everyone, sometimes though.people do turn to god for one thing or another. A neighbour lost her husband of 50 years recently, she joined a church soon after. She said it helped her cone to terms with her loss. " So she's 70+? Had she considered strong drink? | |||
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"I think religion isn't for everyone, sometimes though.people do turn to god for one thing or another. A neighbour lost her husband of 50 years recently, she joined a church soon after. She said it helped her cone to terms with her loss. " i know a guy that turned to the church when he retired, to fill up his spare time. the vicar kept putting more and more pressure on him to help with things, and he wasnt the kind of person to say no, he ended up having a break down. so at a time when he should have been at home enjoying time with his wife, she was trying to nurse him back to health, until he died 10 years later. some members of the church have a LOT to answer for | |||
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"As the human race has progressed through its journey and development from early human through to today, have we needed religion in order to survive? Is the 'God of the gaps' coming to an end? Is religion now superfluous, have we developed passed its necessity (if it was ever needed) or are we just likely to replace 'traditional' religions with new belief systems?" I suppose many people at some point need something to believe in, so if religion is that go for it. I have known people that found religion and it saved there lives. Personally it's not for us, crock of shit. | |||
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"My auntie was religious all her life; always went to bible groups, discussing and filleting texts. When she was on her death bed she fought for days, petrified to die, afraid of what was awaiting her, as a sinner. If religion can do that to you, then it's not a good thing." I agree, a relative was on his death bed earlier this year - in agony all day until he passed. My sister kept saying "it's God's will' - I take serious issue if God would willingly put somebody through that. | |||
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"I am Yo(hoho)ni. Yohoho is another rather delightful lady. Enlightenment? What I just relayed happened last year. There are plenty of good fold around, whether religious or not. It's the threat of hell and damnation for the Unbelievers that riles me. It's pure blackmail." Agree again! I attended a carol service with said sister a few weeks ago, thinking it would be nice for Christmas and the whole service was littered with comments about having people here who are 'living in the shadow of death' 'the black shadow' and that they prey we sinners come to Christ to repent.  | |||
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"Yohohohoni, an enlightenment though means a religion accepting that it is just one set of beliefs. It means it has accepted that it can't insist that everyone shares its beliefs. It is an integral part of liberalism. A belief in free exchange of ideas, free speech and free association follows. The fact that a religion may well still believe in heaven, hell and eternal damnation etc - and that those beliefs may frighten people - does not mean it is unenlightened. People are, of course, free to adhere to or ignore any religion. Sadly people do not have that freedom in some parts of the world where apostasy can lead to death." There are plenty of (Western based) sects where the same threat is wielded. Any belief system that thrives on instilling fear is bad. As for "People are, of course, free to adhere to or ignore any religion.": I was baptised and raised a Protestant, and it took me years to get that part erased from my civil 'status'. The vast majority of church members get to belong to that group by being born into that group, and indoctrination. No-on is encouraged to question the beliefs that one is expected to adhere to. | |||
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"Citizens too must have freedom - to question and confront religion. There is no middle way." Problem is almost every 'religious' person is already baptised, without consent. If - IF - they start thinking themselves and questioning their beliefs, they get the whole congregation and their leaders against them. I repeat: questioning and rationalising is NOT encouraged. | |||
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"I was raised Christian, but with age and maturity came the realisation that I neither need or want religion to guide me in my life and that I have a pretty decent moral ground established by myself without it. There are A LOT of things I dislike and disagree with about religion, but I do also see how it helps and comforts others. My sister is very religious and I respect her choice, (as I do any other persons' choice to follow any particular religion) so long as it isn't forced upon me or preached at me. I take issue with those that preach at others in the street to come to God for our sins - religion should be a personal choice and no one has to right to shame or pressurise others into believing. Agnostic here, not an atheist. " | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11." Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct. | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. oh i know thats why i mentioned Over Complicating things because in the real world it doesn't if you count with Physical objects it will always be Four" | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct. "Or we could express 5 in base 2 (binary) any answers? By the way in the beginning man created god and she has been making a mess of it ever since. God is for those who need escapism and a deflection of reality! Its also for Catholic priests to hide their sins! | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct.
Or we could express 5 in base 2 (binary) any answers?
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct.
Or we could express 5 in base 2 (binary) any answers?
By the way in the beginning man created god and she has been making a mess of it ever since.
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"I just recently became an apostate, Though questioned my religion for a long time. I'm so happy I did, but it's a shame I can't express my lack of belief. Even if there was no religion, I still think there would be wars etc." Lots of respect to you. Still a need to be careful who you admit that to though, but I wish you all the best. | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate??? Are you really such an idiot? That brave lady has just said she has turned her back on Islam, THAT CARRIES AN AUTOMATIC DEATH SENTENCE IN THAT RELIGION! And you come out with your trite comments, hang your head in shame! " No need to be so rude. | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct.
Or we could express 5 in base 2 (binary) any answers?
By the way in the beginning man created god and she has been making a mess of it ever since.
God is for those who need escapism and a deflection of reality! Its also for Catholic priests to hide their sins!
Not in every case...Nope but the main man (The Pope) has not really sorted the crimes!"It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime. | |||
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"It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime." Of course it does. It's just not them who are the sinners. | |||
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"It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime. Of course it does. It's just not them who are the sinners. " And it wasn't just them that sympathised with such regimes | |||
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"It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime. Of course it does. It's just not them who are the sinners. " So who are the sinners? | |||
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"It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime. Of course it does. It's just not them who are the sinners. So who are the sinners?" everyone who believes in sinners is one | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct.
Or we could express 5 in base 2 (binary) any answers?
By the way in the beginning man created god and she has been making a mess of it ever since.
God is for those who need escapism and a deflection of reality! Its also for Catholic priests to hide their sins!
Not in every case...Nope but the main man (The Pope) has not really sorted the crimes!
It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime."Wasn't it mankind and his interpretations of religion that supported it, and not the concept of religion itself ? | |||
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"It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime. Wasn't it mankind and his interpretations of religion that supported it, and not the concept of religion itself ?" True, of course. Au fond it's the 'interpreters' that molded it into what it is now. The power, the possessions, the money, the fear.... it's a mighty weapon for those who are that way inclined. Not all are, of course. | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct.
Or we could express 5 in base 2 (binary) any answers?
By the way in the beginning man created god and she has been making a mess of it ever since.
God is for those who need escapism and a deflection of reality! Its also for Catholic priests to hide their sins!
Not in every case...Nope but the main man (The Pope) has not really sorted the crimes!
It's unlikely an organisation which supported Franco and the Nazi's even knows the meaning of the word crime."Wasn't it mankind and his interpretations of religion that supported it, and not the concept of religion itself ? | |||
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"2+2 will never equal 11, If you put two Cigarettes on a Table and then add two Cigarettes there will be Four Cigarettes on that Table. The problem with all Professional Mathematicians is the same one that Theorists and the early Religious Teachers suffer from, they complicate things too much. I think the poster was referring to base 3. In which case 2+2=11. Yes he was. Sadly he didn't express it properly, because they indicate the same quantities. It should be 2+2=4 (base 10), compared to 2+2=11 (base 3). Both systems should be clearly identified, otherwise the statement is meaningless, and he ultimately disproves his intended example. Also because it was in response to another comment, he has ended up proving the original comment to be correct. "So I was wrong because I was right??? And just to be clear my point was that there are no absolutes!  | |||
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"There will always be stupid people. Stupid people will always need to be controlled. Religion is still a pretty good control mechanism." That and shiny sparkly things | |||
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"is an apostate the female prostrate???" No dear, it's how you're gonna feel in the morning | |||
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"As the human race has progressed through its journey and development from early human through to today, have we needed religion in order to survive? Is the 'God of the gaps' coming to an end? Is religion now superfluous, have we developed passed its necessity (if it was ever needed) or are we just likely to replace 'traditional' religions with new belief systems?" Yes. | |||
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"bit like your cock Ben " My cock has been removed from religion ever since a priest tried to show me the way to God | |||
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"The church needs dumbasses and money Some people need to believe in sky fairies Its a nice little reciprical arrangement " And ever more dumbasses cos they're dying off quicker than they can be replaced. | |||
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" I do not need any religion to tell me the difference between right and wrong. Furthermore what I may consider right most monotheistic religions preach is wrong. And vice versa. Otherwise I would not be on a site like this. Well said. "Yes I agree but then again, despite the freedom we have some people cowardly use this site as a mean for cheating behind their partners and/or for their own selfish purpose so honesty and respect is still a basic human rule or common sense?
The main principle behind every religion has always been for good causes or it would not have survived for so long; whether some people have exploited religion for their own selfish purpose, this is part of greed and power, but it is not to be confused with the basic meaning of religion.
We may have grown, emancipated and we may be better educated nowadays as indeed science can explain so many things, but there will always be something that originated the whole lot as in the basic "stupid" phrase "who came first the chicken of the egg?" or whether it was a Big Bang that even Science will not be able to explain and what it cannot be explained even in modern terms will have to be associated with God.
I know it may seem heavy, but the Bible opens to a lot of interpretation for example whoever wrote the story about Adam and Eve must have known women very well or was certainly in today's terms a Playboy  | |||
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