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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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For many years I used to wonder exactly why it is that women have breasts.
Now before you all rush to say 'to feed babies' there are plenty of other animals that suckle their young, including those that most closely resemble us (chimps, gorillas, etc) without having such gender defining 'attributes' 
It turns out that there is a reason for the existence of 'boobs', which in all honesty I could've done with knowing a long time ago as it would've made me feel much less of a perv all these years, but does anyone else know?  |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"For many years I used to wonder exactly why it is that women have breasts.
Now before you all rush to say 'to feed babies' there are plenty of other animals that suckle their young, including those that most closely resemble us (chimps, gorillas, etc) without having such gender defining 'attributes'
It turns out that there is a reason for the existence of 'boobs', which in all honesty I could've done with knowing a long time ago as it would've made me feel much less of a perv all these years, but does anyone else know? "
Yes I do know the answer - is there a prize?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Attraction of the male gender...
Like urangutans have bigger botoms....
Its to attract a mate...
Sooooooooo i have the tits and the ass ......bring it on. lmao |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"to compensate for the lack of hair in the chest region .....extra deposits there help keep us girlies warm ....nuff said !!"
strangely im always quite warm .......... what about u you peaches ??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"to compensate for the lack of hair in the chest region .....extra deposits there help keep us girlies warm ....nuff said !!
strangely im always quite warm .......... what about u you peaches ???"
Am always warm
and me men hotter |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well it would seem the answer to my question (so far).... is no, no one else knows 
Certainly Peaches' answer is along the right lines 'attracting a mate' but that doesn't explain why the other apes don't have them. Women still have big arses like orangutans, so why boobs as well? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well it would seem the answer to my question (so far).... is no, no one else knows
Certainly Peaches' answer is along the right lines 'attracting a mate' but that doesn't explain why the other apes don't have them. Women still have big arses like orangutans, so why boobs as well?"
pmsl... the old question "does my bum look big in this" springs to mind lol |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
Tayside |
"Well it would seem the answer to my question (so far).... is no, no one else knows
Certainly Peaches' answer is along the right lines 'attracting a mate' but that doesn't explain why the other apes don't have them. Women still have big arses like orangutans, so why boobs as well?"
Because there was no prize I didn't give my answer earlier but here goes now -
Breasts imitate the ape's buttock pads which attract the male apes therefore the breasts are there to attract a male partner but when the evolution from ape to human took place basic sex between males and females then took place face to face to help strength the tie between the couple, etc etc ........... So they are there for sexual attraction as Peaches already said!
Other apes don't have breasts like humans because they are still more interested in the arses  and they only need the nipples to feed their young
Will I go on or is that more the answer you were looking for? Are you sure there wasn't a prize? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I believe women were given boobies to compensate for the lack of brain.
bit like the testicles for men... now why does size suddenly matter;-);-)"
That reminds me of a joke....but that can go in my other thread
Funny that you should mention testicles though, because there's a similarly interesting fact about them, maybe the subject of my next thread |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Breasts imitate the ape's buttock pads which attract the male apes therefore the breasts are there to attract a male partner but when the evolution from ape to human took place basic sex between males and females then took place face to face to help strength the tie between the couple, etc etc ........... So they are there for sexual attraction as Peaches already said!
Other apes don't have breasts like humans because they are still more interested in the arses and they only need the nipples to feed their young
Will I go on or is that more the answer you were looking for? Are you sure there wasn't a prize? "
No you're still missing it. What you say there may well have been put forward as a theory at some time, but there are some fairly obvious flaws in that line of reasoning if you know how evolution works, only big boobs resemble arses in any way, so it wouldn't have worked when change first began. The answer is actually much simpler than all of that |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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Breasts imitate the ape's buttock pads which attract the male apes therefore the breasts are there to attract a male partner but when the evolution from ape to human took place basic sex between males and females then took place face to face to help strength the tie between the couple, etc etc ........... So they are there for sexual attraction as Peaches already said!
Other apes don't have breasts like humans because they are still more interested in the arses and they only need the nipples to feed their young
Will I go on or is that more the answer you were looking for? Are you sure there wasn't a prize?
No you're still missing it. What you say there may well have been put forward as a theory at some time, but there are some fairly obvious flaws in that line of reasoning if you know how evolution works, only big boobs resemble arses in any way, so it wouldn't have worked when change first began. The answer is actually much simpler than all of that"
Ermmmm are you sure? 
I will look forward to reading your simple answer then |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Breasts primary function in life are to feed babies.... *listens for the guys roar of disagreement*.....and the shape of them is different from other primates to stop babies suffocating when being fed.
Humans don't have the same shaped jaws as apes so we wouldn't be able to feed babies from a flat chest like the apes do their young.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Breasts primary function in life are to feed babies.... *listens for the guys roar of disagreement*.....and the shape of them is different from other primates to stop babies suffocating when being fed.
Humans don't have the same shaped jaws as apes so we wouldn't be able to feed babies from a flat chest like the apes do their young.
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Yes I agree about the primary function bit, but the explanation you give there does not account for the 'massive' variation in shapes and sizes, and also there would be no flat chested women if that were true.
Other apes do have larger breasts, when they are lactating, which puts them on equal terms with some 'flatter' women who have nothing there until they themselves are lactating. Your answer would only hold up if women's breast sizes were more consistent, the fact that they vary so much supports the idea that it's the male's varying preferences (not all guy's like big tits) which made them evolve that way  |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"Breasts primary function in life are to feed babies.... *listens for the guys roar of disagreement*.....and the shape of them is different from other primates to stop babies suffocating when being fed.
Humans don't have the same shaped jaws as apes so we wouldn't be able to feed babies from a flat chest like the apes do their young.
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You are right too Laine, that is why women have them and why they are the shape they are. The OP wanted an answer other than that though. 
It is also true that they are to attract a partner as Peaches and I have said but the OP wants to hold onto the Prize and it's no fair  lol
Keep it to yourself Laine but, I think he has a funny answer up his sleave that we are all gonna have a wee giggle to, so stick with this one! |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"Breasts primary function in life are to feed babies.... *listens for the guys roar of disagreement*.....and the shape of them is different from other primates to stop babies suffocating when being fed.
Humans don't have the same shaped jaws as apes so we wouldn't be able to feed babies from a flat chest like the apes do their young.
Yes I agree about the primary function bit, but the explanation you give there does not account for the 'massive' variation in shapes and sizes, and also there would be no flat chested women if that were true.
Other apes do have larger breasts, when they are lactating, which puts them on equal terms with some 'flatter' women who have nothing there until they themselves are lactating. Your answer would only hold up if women's breast sizes were more consistent, the fact that they vary so much supports the idea that it's the male's varying preferences (not all guy's like big tits) which made them evolve that way "
Not all women like big dicks either but we are all made different, thats life!
Dismissing the correct answers on the basis that breast sizes vary doesn't hold up I am afraid |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Generally womens breast size didn't vary much throughout evolution. Now their sizes vary in many ways through intervention. Dieting over-eating surgery etc. that would tend to be where the inconsistency comes from.
What you are really saying is that womens tits are varied in size because men like them that way.
We have always known that, it's why some women wear padded bras, chicken fillets have surgery to enlarge, raise, reduce etc. lmao! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Generally womens breast size didn't vary much throughout evolution. Now their sizes vary in many ways through intervention. Dieting over-eating surgery etc. that would tend to be where the inconsistency comes from.
What you are really saying is that womens tits are varied in size because men like them that way.
We have always known that, it's why some women wear padded bras, chicken fillets have surgery to enlarge, raise, reduce etc. lmao! "
Actually it was never my intention to say it is purely down to men's preferences, I'm basically talking about the catalyst for the change that makes human females a lot different from other mammals, especially those most similar (apes). You are right in saying that sizes can vary due to eating habits (forget about surgery though) but I'm talking about genetics and evolution not modern life-styles. If we all ate and exercised the same there would still be the same range of variation (plenty of slim women still have large busts), and it's the fact that breasts can be such different sizes AND shapes, that make the earlier point about suffocation flawed. You also forget that humans have more 'control' over how an infant suckles because they have free hands to ensure they can breathe. Even a chimp has the intelligence to be able to see if their baby is having a problem like that, so I can't imagine any early human mother being so ignorant of what's going on that their baby suffocates.
Also, don't think I'm being in any way chauvinistic about this, I'm not a guy who talks to a woman's boobs, but evolution is not just about changing to survive the environment, many animals have their survival chances 'compromised' because sexual attraction has driven their evolution (think peacocks).
My reason for starting this thread was to see if anyone else had the realisation I had that it was actually NATURAL for a male to notice a woman's breasts and for a woman to show them off, rather than it being a sin punishable by an eternity in hell (not that I believe any that crap anyway, but that's another thread again).
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"Actually it was never my intention to say it is purely down to men's preferences, I'm basically talking about the catalyst for the change that makes human females a lot different from other mammals, especially those most similar (apes). You are right in saying that sizes can vary due to eating habits (forget about surgery though) but I'm talking about genetics and evolution not modern life-styles. If we all ate and exercised the same there would still be the same range of variation (plenty of slim women still have large busts), and it's the fact that breasts can be such different sizes AND shapes, that make the earlier point about suffocation flawed. You also forget that humans have more 'control' over how an infant suckles because they have free hands to ensure they can breathe. Even a chimp has the intelligence to be able to see if their baby is having a problem like that, so I can't imagine any early human mother being so ignorant of what's going on that their baby suffocates.
Also, don't think I'm being in any way chauvinistic about this, I'm not a guy who talks to a woman's boobs, but evolution is not just about changing to survive the environment, many animals have their survival chances 'compromised' because sexual attraction has driven their evolution (think peacocks).
My reason for starting this thread was to see if anyone else had the realisation I had that it was actually NATURAL for a male to notice a woman's breasts and for a woman to show them off, rather than it being a sin punishable by an eternity in hell (not that I believe any that crap anyway, but that's another thread again).
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Exactly what we have been trying to say all through this thread - Sexual attraction of a male to a female is natural or none of us would be here
The breasts help in that process, along with the rest of the woman too and in apes it is the arses that the male apes are attracted to
Peaches wins the non-existent prize for saying it first - Well done Peaches! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Peaches wins the non-existent prize for saying it first - Well done Peaches! "
Actually no, because no has yet explained why women have boobs when the other apes don't. I could have also asked why are women's arses so much bigger, and got exactly the same answer 'attracting a mate'. It doesn't explain what was so different about humans to all the other 'apes' that they needed to evolve this extra feature. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well I did mention the asses thing earlier... but thinking about it now, is it something to do with the fact that we are the only ones who copulate face to face? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Peaches wins the non-existent prize for saying it first - Well done Peaches!
Actually no, because no has yet explained why women have boobs when the other apes don't. I could have also asked why are women's arses so much bigger, and got exactly the same answer 'attracting a mate'. It doesn't explain what was so different about humans to all the other 'apes' that they needed to evolve this extra feature."
I explained the evolutionary theory as to why human breasts evolved in such a way, evolution of jaw structure difference.
The size difference is down to fat which makes up the largest proportion of every breast.
many individuals go through varying sizes in their lifetime, from puberty to maturity this is dictated by hormonal changes and weight changes. |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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Peaches wins the non-existent prize for saying it first - Well done Peaches!
Actually no, because no has yet explained why women have boobs when the other apes don't. I could have also asked why are women's arses so much bigger, and got exactly the same answer 'attracting a mate'. It doesn't explain what was so different about humans to all the other 'apes' that they needed to evolve this extra feature."
Getting bored now
I did explain but here goes again!
Apes only need the long nipples to feed their young...... also most of the (human) woman's breasts is not made of mammary glands (which produce milk) but of a mix of conjunctive tissue and fat tissue (that's why when a woman slims, breasts face the risk of getting smaller) ....... blah blah blah
Humans have breast as a natural progression away from the males being attracted more towards the buttocks.
And finally - Besides their prominent form, breasts serve for focusing the attention on the nipples and make more evident the nipple's erection during sexual arousal.
I could copy and paste the whole web page you are reading from but it might be easier if folk go and read "The Naked Ape" by Desmond Morris instead |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"Well I did mention the asses thing earlier... but thinking about it now, is it something to do with the fact that we are the only ones who copulate face to face?"
Shhhhhhhh I mentioned the face to face earlier too but he wanted to hold onto that bloody non-existent prize for a wee while longer |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I did read a few theories in 'the new scientist'.
1st (and lest convincing) is that breasts developed as a result of a change from procreation in 'doggy style' to face to face copulation. therefore breast developed as simulant buttocks. Another theory based on sex is as an atraction thing (as we left our great ape ancestors behind female ovulation became far less obvious to the males of the species, necesetating a far more active sex life) I think, though that a sexual explanation is least likely.
The most convincing theory that i have come accross is that women have more subcutaneous fat and that the buttocks and breast are where the long term deposits of fat (and so long term fuel) are stored (as u ladies know, when u put on weight ur bums and boobs get bigger).
This adaptive change came about as a result of our hominid ancestors moving away from a forest lifestyle (where food and water is almost continualy available) to a lifestyle of living on plains and grasslands where food and water are much less comonly available. This change also brought about other changes (becoming upright, developing larger brains etc). That happened after the human lineage split from the rest of the great apes and so we do not see big boobs n bums amongst any of our close relatives (apart from mountain goralas, who have fat reserves as a heat conservation thing due to living in colder higher altitudes).
Sorry for the lecture, but u did ask! I hope it all made sense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Actually it was never my intention to say it is purely down to men's preferences, I'm basically talking about the catalyst for the change that makes human females a lot different from other mammals, especially those most similar (apes). You are right in saying that sizes can vary due to eating habits (forget about surgery though) but I'm talking about genetics and evolution not modern life-styles. If we all ate and exercised the same there would still be the same range of variation (plenty of slim women still have large busts), and it's the fact that breasts can be such different sizes AND shapes, that make the earlier point about suffocation flawed. You also forget that humans have more 'control' over how an infant suckles because they have free hands to ensure they can breathe. Even a chimp has the intelligence to be able to see if their baby is having a problem like that, so I can't imagine any early human mother being so ignorant of what's going on that their baby suffocates.
Also, don't think I'm being in any way chauvinistic about this, I'm not a guy who talks to a woman's boobs, but evolution is not just about changing to survive the environment, many animals have their survival chances 'compromised' because sexual attraction has driven their evolution (think peacocks).
My reason for starting this thread was to see if anyone else had the realisation I had that it was actually NATURAL for a male to notice a woman's breasts and for a woman to show them off, rather than it being a sin punishable by an eternity in hell (not that I believe any that crap anyway, but that's another thread again).
Exactly what we have been trying to say all through this thread - Sexual attraction of a male to a female is natural or none of us would be here
The breasts help in that process, along with the rest of the woman too and in apes it is the arses that the male apes are attracted to
Peaches wins the non-existent prize for saying it first - Well done Peaches! "
Oooooooooo fankoo
whats me prize ?
Oh i reckon i got a bit of ape in me with my ass.
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"They are there so if a woman falls over in one of her 200 pairs of high heals, she bounces back up again!
Tony"
Best answer yet pmsl - sorry Peaches that non-existent prize needs to go to Tony instead |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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When GP mentioned moving away from forests onto the plains I was expecting to see the idea that I heard, and think is the most plausible. I should probably say that I've no doubt there are all kinds of different reasons which contribute, and I didn't really want to get as technical as GP.
I don't dispute the thing about boobs and bum being long term fat deposits, but, you don't see some giraffes with necks that are 'proportionally' shorter/longer than others, they are all of a standard proportion. So if the fat thing is such an evolutionary advantage, then why do some women have almost no boobs and others have huge ones? |
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"So if the fat thing is such an evolutionary advantage, then why do some women have almost no boobs and others have huge ones?"
Because humans no long work under the principal of survival of the fittest. We care for the disabled etc and don't let them slip out of the gene pool. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So if the fat thing is such an evolutionary advantage, then why do some women have almost no boobs and others have huge ones?
Because humans no long work under the principal of survival of the fittest. We care for the disabled etc and don't let them slip out of the gene pool."
I totally agree with the 'currently' non evolving thing there, but that has only been true in recent centuries. If you go back tens of thousands there would still be the variation. Being with or without big boobs is not a genetic 'defect' just a physical difference.
Anyway, that's touching on a subject I have no intention of going. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just one woman can go through different sizes of breasts. As she hits puberty she goes from flat to small breasts, as she grows so too do her breasts (or not), as she feeds children her breasts enlarge, as she has subsequent children they can enlarge or decrease in size, till eventually she loses elasticity and fat deposits as her hormones again change with the years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just one woman can go through different sizes of breasts. As she hits puberty she goes from flat to small breasts, as she grows so too do her breasts (or not), as she feeds children her breasts enlarge, as she has subsequent children they can enlarge or decrease in size, till eventually she loses elasticity and fat deposits as her hormones again change with the years. "
You will note however, that as young women go through puberty, not only do their breasts and buttocks grow, but they loose all (or most) of their 'puupy fat' which is just a redistribution of fatty deposits.
Don't however ask my why men don't develop similar fatty deposits cos i have no idea! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I meant to do this a few days ago but I keep getting sidetracked by all you horny people
This is the explanation as I understand it, and more specifically the one (of all the possible explanations) that gave me my epiphany regarding guilt about so called perving over a nice pair of tits
When our 'ancestors' came down out of the trees and moved onto the plains of Africa, they evolved they're upright stance because it gave them an advantage over their prey and predators because they could see them from further away (also leaving their hands free for other things).
This also meant that, particularly in the long grasses, the posterior was no longer so effective a means for sexual advertisment, and since a lactating female of any mammal species tends to have swollen breasts then obviously a lactating upright women becomes easier to identify. Some women would have then breasts which stay swollen for longer, and then some would gain a headstart by their breasts becoming more prominent from puberty.
So starts the evolution towards larger breasts, as subtle differences make the difference between women attracting men sooner rather than later and getting an advantage, by having more kids in the short time they had (compared to today).
Humans have been constantly splitting off into groups which would then evolve slightly differently according to habitats, and then those differing genes would be mixed again as they expand, overlap, and interbreed, which is why there is such variance in breast sizes. That and the fact that small breast size becomes an attractor as a signifier of youth and 'potential'. |
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