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"Dont know if its just this area - as i didnt notice this in Notts, but its really upset me of what i have had to witness. This is the 2nd dog we have had to destroy due to it biting a child. Both dogs are (WERE) Staffies. I wish they would bring back the dog liscence or something. Its ok the judge telling us we gotta destroy the dog - but he MUST stop the stupid owners from going straight back out and getting another. In both these cases they dogs were being tormented by the child. Sorry - but surely the parents and/or the dog owner should be looking after both the child and the dog. The child should be taught that its wrong to tease the dog and REMOVED from the situuation. last weeks dog was only 2, and the child it bit ended up in hospital and having reconstructive surgery as the dog bit his ear off. Dont know the full details of the one that we had to destroy today, but the child again ended up in hospital. Staffies are not on the dangerous dogs register - and nor should tehy be, they do make sweet dogs when bought up in the correct envirnment. So its sad to see so many destroyed by STUPID FUCKING OWNERS WHO JUST WANT TO LOOK "HARD" Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Rant over xxx" what about the staffie that took the baby out the pram and killed her.was she teasing the staffie?the countless times ive seen on the national news and newspapers about the horrendous injuries and killings this breed of dog has done.im a dog owner myself but this breed is just asking for trouble  | |||
"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?" Not all dogs, just certain breeds, or if they have been known to be agressive (i think on that last bit) | |||
"IMO... and this may not get the greatest of responses... but most dog owners have no clue how to look after and train their pets. Have seen this more whilst I've been living in the midlands (although not trying to make a generalisation). People thinking its ok to make their dog aggressive to strangers so they can protect their own house etc etc... people who's relationship quarrels come before the dog. I hate it..." most dog owners do know how to look after there dogs, | |||
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"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?" they would look stupid with molluscs round there faces  | |||
"IMO... and this may not get the greatest of responses... but most dog owners have no clue how to look after and train their pets. Have seen this more whilst I've been living in the midlands (although not trying to make a generalisation). People thinking its ok to make their dog aggressive to strangers so they can protect their own house etc etc... people who's relationship quarrels come before the dog. I hate it...most dog owners do know how to look after there dogs," Sorry but I disagree | |||
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"IMO... and this may not get the greatest of responses... but most dog owners have no clue how to look after and train their pets. Have seen this more whilst I've been living in the midlands (although not trying to make a generalisation). People thinking its ok to make their dog aggressive to strangers so they can protect their own house etc etc... people who's relationship quarrels come before the dog. I hate it...most dog owners do know how to look after there dogs, Sorry but I disagree" i am not sorry - i also disagree!! | |||
"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?they would look stupid with molluscs round there faces "your point being what exactly, regardless how they look wearing one, they cannot harm anyone while out in public  | |||
"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?they would look stupid with molluscs round there faces
your point being what exactly, regardless how they look wearing one, they cannot harm anyone while out in public "Think he was being sarcastic on that one, lol | |||
"IMO... and this may not get the greatest of responses... but most dog owners have no clue how to look after and train their pets. Have seen this more whilst I've been living in the midlands (although not trying to make a generalisation). People thinking its ok to make their dog aggressive to strangers so they can protect their own house etc etc... people who's relationship quarrels come before the dog. I hate it...most dog owners do know how to look after there dogs, Sorry but I disagree i am not sorry - i also disagree!!" ...and you should know. Funny how you're discussing Staffies... and most of the bad situations I have seen have been with people owning staffies. Yet they have all come across a soft as anything in the right situation. | |||
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"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?they would look stupid with molluscs round there faces
your point being what exactly, regardless how they look wearing one, they cannot harm anyone while out in public "muzzles are what dogs wear,mussels are what you buy from the fishmonger  | |||
"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?they would look stupid with molluscs round there faces
your point being what exactly, regardless how they look wearing one, they cannot harm anyone while out in public muzzles are what dogs wear,mussels are what you buy from the fishmonger"haha I actually googled the word before i posted, aint trusting google as a spellchecker anymore | |||
"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?they would look stupid with molluscs round there faces
your point being what exactly, regardless how they look wearing one, they cannot harm anyone while out in public muzzles are what dogs wear,mussels are what you buy from the fishmonger
haha I actually googled the word before i posted, aint trusting google as a spellchecker anymore "glad you see it as a bit of fun | |||
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"glad you see it as a bit of fun "what, take this place seriously, NEVER!!!! hahahaha, checked again and it was an american site I got the spelling from, bloody yanks being different just for the sake of being different | |||
"A guy that lived in a flat a few doors along from my shop had a dog that looked suspiciously like a Pit Bull, the police seized the dog and kept it for three months while they had it examined to quantify if it was an illegal dog or not. Long story short, he succesfully appealed that it was not an illegal dog and it was returned to him. Less than a week after he got the dog back he let it off it's chain in the local park and it attacked a Spaniel, completely tearing off it's back leg in the attack. When the dog handlers turned up it then attacked one of them and seriously injured him, the dog was destroyed the next week even though the owner still appealed against this. The only good thing to come out of this was the thug was thrown out of his flat and he moved back to where he came from." Pit bulls are on the dangerous dogs list - but they are being bred to be mixed with staffies so that they arent pure breds, are names as staffies - and in some cases even Labradors!!!! (bizarre) so that the breedcan be legal. The dog was destroyed, he was thrown out - but i bet he hasnt got a ban on ever ownning a dog again??? Or a steep fine that he will never be able to pay. Its bonkers - nothing is in place for to stop these people treating these dogs in this manner.  | |||
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She doesnt like kids so when I have visitors who bring young kids Sookie goes thru my bedroom and lays on my bed - all children are told to stay away from the pretty pussy cat cos she has sharp claws and will scratch you if you dont leave her alone.
So far the only kids I have had problems with not following my rules are actually the older kids my eldest brings round.
When I had a dog I did the same - he was an abused dog and whenever anyone in a uniform came to the door he growled like mad and lunged for them to the point a policeman told me to get rid of him cos he "might" be dangerous!!!! NO he had been abused (very badly think elastic bands and private parts) by someone who wore a uniform similar to the police uniform. So when ther police chapped my door I shut Barney in the kitchen and let him scare them thru the door. I was NOT about to let my dog be taken from me cos he had been abused and lashed out at uniforms.
I personally think its the owners who make the dog (yes I know there are still breeds of animals that will be dangerous) and the owners should be trained as much as the dogs. I also think that once you are known as a person who cannot or will not take care of an animal properly you should be stopped from keeping animals until you can prove you are capable.
Shona
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" I also think that once you are known as a person who cannot or will not take care of an animal properly you should be stopped from keeping animals until you can prove you are capable. Shona x x x " Absolutely, but many never get found out either! | |||
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"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon" Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. That just made me feel rather ill!! | |||
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"I was bought up with dogs but don't have one now although I love them it would'nt work for us I would never trust any dog alone with a child regardless of how well it has been bought up what breed it is You just never know what may happen the minute your back is turned" We used to have Briardes when i was younger, they are known to be good with kids... and despite the fact it was twice the size of me at that stage it knew how to play rough, but not too rough. Most people have never heard of them, but I couldn't possibly fathom one of those ever getting aggressive with anything... and they never did. | |||
"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon" When I was young I knew people who kept all sorts of breeds of dogs and only once was I ever "attacked" it wasnt really an attack it was the fact that the dog was waiting for his owner to come home to walk him (very large dog and the father always walked him for 3 hours each night and an hour each morning) I was a new face and he was over excited he jumped up to lick me and I panicked and pushed him away his owner (the mother of the family) told me the way I pushed him (by one paw)could easily injure him and possibly kill him. I would NEVER advocate doing this to a dog there are other ways of dealing with agression and over excitedness in dogs. Shona x x x | |||
"It was'nt that long ago that you could buy a lion from Harrods "Blimey, so they really do have everything under one roof, or am i thinking of the Trafford Centre | |||
"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon" It FRONT legs you say? Those two things sticking out just below the gaping maw full of sharp fangs that can rip your nose off while you try to steer clear of it's claws as you attempt to grab its front legs. I think there may be a slight flaw in your plan there. Pnuch the fucking thing square on the nose (one of it's most sensitive organs) then while it's yelping like fuck grab it by the scruff of the neck with one hand and get hold of the loose bit of skin in front of it's hind leg with the other and yank the fucker over. Kneel on its neck till you hear it crack and that dog is gonna bite nobody no more. | |||
"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon It FRONT legs you say? Those two things sticking out just below the gaping maw full of sharp fangs that can rip your nose off while you try to steer clear of it's claws as you attempt to grab its front legs. I think there may be a slight flaw in your plan there. Pnuch the fucking thing square on the nose (one of it's most sensitive organs) then while it's yelping like fuck grab it by the scruff of the neck with one hand and get hold of the loose bit of skin in front of it's hind leg with the other and yank the fucker over. Kneel on its neck till you hear it crack and that dog is gonna bite nobody no more." eh, if thats your method then go with it | |||
" I also think that once you are known as a person who cannot or will not take care of an animal properly you should be stopped from keeping animals until you can prove you are capable. Shona x x x Absolutely, but many never get found out either!" Thats the sad thing really, and equally sadly there arent enough patrols like the vans we used to see when I was a kid in the 80's. The other problem, as I understand it anyway, is people are to scared to complain cos then the yob will turn the dog on them. Now maybe In thick but a pet is to me a part of my family to be cared for, loved and even tho they animal may hate you for it taking to see the vet, and NOT some intimidation tactic to scare people with When I got my first cat from the cats protection league I had to under go a series of tests to prove I was able to look after the cat before I got to bring her home, sadly when you breed animals you arent under the same rules and regulations as rehoming centres so you can sell the animal to anyone no matter how unsuitable they are. Shona x x x | |||
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"sorry if this offends, but if any dog went near my son I would pull it's head clean off, then start on the owner, by the OP here to follow that to it's natural conclusion if my son was to tease some ned with a knife and was stabbed then it would be as much his fault, bollocks. I would inflict hurt on the owner as the dog was only doing what was natural to an animal. " I did in no way mean that the child deserved to be bitten. What i meant was that the parents and/or dog owner should have told the child it was wrong and removed the situation in the first place. And your comparison to wrong and right with a knife, no, the human has gone out purpposely armed - its a different situation altogether. If a pissed big fella in a pub was known to be unpredictable - it would NOT be a wise move to go poking him, kicking him and winding him up - the consequences are quite obvious. | |||
"sorry if this offends, but if any dog went near my son I would pull it's head clean off, then start on the owner, by the OP here to follow that to it's natural conclusion if my son was to tease some ned with a knife and was stabbed then it would be as much his fault, bollocks. I would inflict hurt on the owner as the dog was only doing what was natural to an animal. " So by your way of thinking - if I take this to the next logical level - we humans shouldnt be allowed near young either cos we are essentially animals who can talk to tell people they are pissing us off. Unlike dogs who after having their tail pulled over and over by the same kid whose parents do nothing time and again finally snap, or is it Ok if your kid poked an animals eyes til the couldnt see cos they thought it was funny?? If you think all dogs are dangerous you are wrong its all ANIMALS of which we humans are part of the same species, all be it a bit more evolved but still animals, or people wouldnt be abusing each other like we see on the news night after night would they?? Shona x x x | |||
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"The lesson to end all lessons when it comes to children and dogs - don't fookin put them together. I have an 11m/o son and no bloody dog is going anywhere near him for two reasons: 1) we don't own a dog 2) if its anyone else's dog - I haven't trained it. I'm simply not prepared to take the risk of another person's say so that their dog is safe." Couldn't have put it better myself! it's a shame more parents didn't apply the same common sense: their poor mites would still be alive. . | |||
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"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon" Yes. I'll try that next time a 15stone bull mastiff shakes my head in it's jaws..... | |||
"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon Yes. I'll try that next time a 15stone bull mastiff shakes my head in it's jaws..... " I hope you eat your spinach first granny. | |||
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"I don't really believe that any one breed is more prone to be dangerous than another. Any dog can be dangerous, a little lap dog may look cute but it's teeth can rip into the skin and cause damage just as easily as a bigger dog. Yes a bigger dog can do more damage but a little one is just as capable as killing in the right (wrong) circumstances. I have three dogs, of varying breeds and sizes, but one thing I can say for sure is that I would never, ever leave one alone with a child. I love my dogs, trusy my dogs and have trained them well, but they are animals and you can never totally predict what they will do. The problems come from the owners and breeders, lack of training, exercise and discipline, breeds/dogs being interbred to create tougher dogs and people teaching them to fight, to be aggressive. On the other hand are also the owners who treat their dogs like their babies or substitute children, which can equally confuse a dog and create problems. What makes me so angry about it, is that none of that is the dog's fault, it's all caused by it's human owners! " Totally agree, I have two dogs, my family have always had dogs and we would never leave a young child alone with one...... kids think they are 'playing' with the dog the dog can see it as 'tormenting' I've a bearded collie as smart as you can get and a labradoodle as daft as you can get. I trust both, they would never harm a child but the bounciness of the 'doodle alone can intimidate kids. Ultimately responsibility for all pets falls on their owners shoulders. | |||
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"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon It FRONT legs you say? Those two things sticking out just below the gaping maw full of sharp fangs that can rip your nose off while you try to steer clear of it's claws as you attempt to grab its front legs. I think there may be a slight flaw in your plan there. Pnuch the fucking thing square on the nose (one of it's most sensitive organs) then while it's yelping like fuck grab it by the scruff of the neck with one hand and get hold of the loose bit of skin in front of it's hind leg with the other and yank the fucker over. Kneel on its neck till you hear it crack and that dog is gonna bite nobody no more. eh, if thats your method then go with it "Well, either method is gonna mean you get hurt bad. As taught by escape and evasion instructors to the special forces... If you are pursued by a dog, you must expect to get injured. With this in mind, prepare yourself by wrapping clothing around your weak arm, and offer it to the dog. A dogs natural instinct is to grab and hold, and this is the weakness you can exploit. When the dog grabs the covered arm,use the other hand to grab its neck by the loose skin underneath. Fall backwards, dragging the dog on top of you, quickly wrapping your legs around it, and flip it over, so you are on top, keep your legs wrapped around it. Even a large dog can be pinned down this way, allowing you to push your weight down on it to it, using the free hand to grab and squeeze the windpipe, whilst pushing down with the arm in its mouth. Either choke it, or, if you feel this is too difficult, put your free arm around the back of its neck, and grab the inside bend of the elbow of the arm that is in its mouth. By pressing with the arm wedged in its jaws, and pulling up with the back arm, you should be able to break the dogs neck. If you find the front legs are catching you in the face, you can tuck your head into its chest, this also helps to squeeze air out of the lungs, weakening the dog. If there is more than one dog, roll up into a ball, with your head between your legs, so you can kiss your arse goodbye!!!  | |||
"just a note for those who do find them selves confronted by a dog out of control, grab its front legs and pull them apart, they will die instantly as it rips the heart open, not nice but a good survival guide, just hope no one ever has to resort to extreme measures but its there if its called upon It FRONT legs you say? Those two things sticking out just below the gaping maw full of sharp fangs that can rip your nose off while you try to steer clear of it's claws as you attempt to grab its front legs. I think there may be a slight flaw in your plan there. Pnuch the fucking thing square on the nose (one of it's most sensitive organs) then while it's yelping like fuck grab it by the scruff of the neck with one hand and get hold of the loose bit of skin in front of it's hind leg with the other and yank the fucker over. Kneel on its neck till you hear it crack and that dog is gonna bite nobody no more. eh, if thats your method then go with it
Well, either method is gonna mean you get hurt bad.
As taught by escape and evasion instructors to the special forces...
If you are pursued by a dog, you must expect to get injured.
With this in mind, prepare yourself by wrapping clothing around your weak arm, and offer it to the dog. A dogs natural instinct is to grab and hold, and this is the weakness you can exploit.
When the dog grabs the covered arm,use the other hand to grab its neck by the loose skin underneath. Fall backwards, dragging the dog on top of you, quickly wrapping your legs around it, and flip it over, so you are on top, keep your legs wrapped around it.
Even a large dog can be pinned down this way, allowing you to push your weight down on it to it, using the free hand to grab and squeeze the windpipe, whilst pushing down with the arm in its mouth. Either choke it, or, if you feel this is too difficult, put your free arm around the back of its neck, and grab the inside bend of the elbow of the arm that is in its mouth. By pressing with the arm wedged in its jaws, and pulling up with the back arm, you should be able to break the dogs neck.
If you find the front legs are catching you in the face, you can tuck your head into its chest, this also helps to squeeze air out of the lungs, weakening the dog.
If there is more than one dog, roll up into a ball, with your head between your legs, so you can kiss your arse goodbye!!! "Thankyou. I will practice this in the park tomorrow. I fucking hate elsie and her poodle anyhow. I'll let you know how it goes xxx Bless you xxx | |||
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"I thought dogs had to wear mussels when theyre out with their owners, or did that law not get enforced?they would look stupid with molluscs round there faces
your point being what exactly, regardless how they look wearing one, they cannot harm anyone while out in public
Think he was being sarcastic on that one, lol"why do you presume everyones a he | |||
