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"Totally agree - heartless Tory's!" Just shows how totally heartless they really are. But they wont bother as theyre getting an 11% pay rise! Grrrr | |||
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"Remember all those years where they denounced Maggie Thatcher & insisted that the party had changed? Yeah right, I believed them!!!" That was a bit before my time lol but i heard about it from family members | |||
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"Remember all those years where they denounced Maggie Thatcher & insisted that the party had changed? Yeah right, I believed them!!! That was a bit before my time lol but i heard about it from family members" yeah, me too 'erhem' 
......actually, Duncan Smith was saying this not so long ago as the Tory leader; they've never been any different - and never will, in my opinion! | |||
"I think David Cameron and that Ian Duncan Smith should spend a week living on the streets to see how the other half live and struggle on a daily basis. " IDS had said a while back that its perfectly easy to survive on benefits whilst scoffing a £30 odd breakfast. What a fud | |||
" IDS had said a while back that its perfectly easy to survive on benefits whilst scoffing a £30 odd breakfast. What a fud " It is, and I do Although it's not the high life (like some sweeping statements suggest), the budget is tight, every penny is accounted for, but we (my family) eat well. We don't have holidays, and we wear 2nd hand clothes. Any gadgetry is ebay/gift/passed to us ... Money is spent on essentials - food, rent, bills. I loathe not working, it angers me I got ill, and frustrates me that I can't support my family myself, but I am grateful for the financial help Benefits give - without them I'd be homeless and the spawn in care. | |||
" IDS had said a while back that its perfectly easy to survive on benefits whilst scoffing a £30 odd breakfast. What a fud It is, and I do Although it's not the high life (like some sweeping statements suggest), the budget is tight, every penny is accounted for, but we (my family) eat well. We don't have holidays, and we wear 2nd hand clothes. Any gadgetry is ebay/gift/passed to us ... Money is spent on essentials - food, rent, bills. I loathe not working, it angers me I got ill, and frustrates me that I can't support my family myself, but I am grateful for the financial help Benefits give - without them I'd be homeless and the spawn in care." Im also having to get by on benefits and yes it is doable with careful budgeting but what really irks me is all these politicians making all the cuts of the day whilst giving themselves a pay rise. It smacks of sheer greediness so it does | |||
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" IDS had said a while back that its perfectly easy to survive on benefits whilst scoffing a £30 odd breakfast. What a fud It is, and I do Although it's not the high life (like some sweeping statements suggest), the budget is tight, every penny is accounted for, but we (my family) eat well. We don't have holidays, and we wear 2nd hand clothes. Any gadgetry is ebay/gift/passed to us ... Money is spent on essentials - food, rent, bills. I loathe not working, it angers me I got ill, and frustrates me that I can't support my family myself, but I am grateful for the financial help Benefits give - without them I'd be homeless and the spawn in care. Im also having to get by on benefits and yes it is doable with careful budgeting but what really irks me is all these politicians making all the cuts of the day whilst giving themselves a pay rise. It smacks of sheer greediness so it does " The politicians didn't give themselves a pay rise it was decided by an independent board. | |||
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" IDS had said a while back that its perfectly easy to survive on benefits whilst scoffing a £30 odd breakfast. What a fud It is, and I do Although it's not the high life (like some sweeping statements suggest), the budget is tight, every penny is accounted for, but we (my family) eat well. We don't have holidays, and we wear 2nd hand clothes. Any gadgetry is ebay/gift/passed to us ... Money is spent on essentials - food, rent, bills. I loathe not working, it angers me I got ill, and frustrates me that I can't support my family myself, but I am grateful for the financial help Benefits give - without them I'd be homeless and the spawn in care. Im also having to get by on benefits and yes it is doable with careful budgeting but what really irks me is all these politicians making all the cuts of the day whilst giving themselves a pay rise. It smacks of sheer greediness so it does The politicians didn't give themselves a pay rise it was decided by an independent board. " And isn't it supposed to be paid for out of other savings in what they get? So its neutral overall. And remember its all the politicians getting it, Labour and all the others, not just the Tories. Lets not paint one group with the tar brush. Make sure we tar and feather them all. | |||
"It now seems if you have three children and are jobless,the last child does not get a penny. Taking the food from babies mouths I cannot understand, no one asks to be a single parent or out of work." But then there are people who have children regardless of the fact that they cannot afford to look after them. I have one child, in part because I could not have afforded to look after anymore. | |||
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"It now seems if you have three children and are jobless,the last child does not get a penny. Taking the food from babies mouths I cannot understand, no one asks to be a single parent or out of work. But then there are people who have children regardless of the fact that theyo cannot afford to look after them. I have one child, in part because I could not have afforded to look after anymore. " yes I agree with that, I just think one minute some have had their family in the right circumstances, then all changes and your a single parent, which at the time you don't think will happen. And the other side of the coin you get people that just " bang out babies" for money all wrong, I understand unplanned pregnancies it happens, but not on purpose, a child costs more than the state gives. | |||
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"I'm a bit sceptical about food banks. I'm not questioning there are some who genuinely need extra help, and understand the difficulty if there's a gap before receiving benefits... But I'm sceptical at the figures thrown around about how many 'depend' on them when they don't actually check how needy the people are that receive stuff. Likewise how many use them in order to be able to pay for cigarettes and non essentials? On the other hand supermarkets and restaurants waste so much food it's better used than not at all - and yet in my Tesco they were actually asking people to buy food to donate! No way I can believe they don't already have sufficient surplus/wastage to need to ask for additional donations." I agree that supermarkets should be able to donate their surplus to charity however o believe there is red tape and bureaucracy that stops them from being able to do so. There is also the argument for social responsibility. Those better off should help those less well off (Que another slurry of jibes at politicians). This might be controversial but I wonder how many of those attending food banks still have massive yellows and games consoles and top of the range mobile phones etc | |||
"I'm a bit sceptical about food banks. I'm not questioning there are some who genuinely need extra help, and understand the difficulty if there's a gap before receiving benefits... But I'm sceptical at the figures thrown around about how many 'depend' on them when they don't actually check how needy the people are that receive stuff. Likewise how many use them in order to be able to pay for cigarettes and non essentials? On the other hand supermarkets and restaurants waste so much food it's better used than not at all - and yet in my Tesco they were actually asking people to buy food to donate! No way I can believe they don't already have sufficient surplus/wastage to need to ask for additional donations. I agree that supermarkets should be able to donate their surplus to charity however o believe there is red tape and bureaucracy that stops them from being able to do so. There is also the argument for social responsibility. Those better off should help those less well off (Que another slurry of jibes at politicians). This might be controversial but I wonder how many of those attending food banks still have massive yellows and games consoles and top of the range mobile phones etc" i do not see the relevance to ppl having big tv's,mobile phones etc as these are often bought when the ppl are in employment plus the fact a large screen tv is hardly a luxury today you can pick them up second hand for 50 quid same as games systems and mobile phones etc | |||
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"It's maybe not relevant as to what people own (other than perhaps they can sell assets to support themselves in time of need). But their spending choices are relevant. I don't doubt there are people in real need that deserve all the help possible, but those that can still afford to pay for non essentials but still accept hand outs detract from what need there is. The thing of wealthy people helping is fine in principle - but in reality the people that donate to things like this are not the wealthiest. Those on the boards of supermarkets, however are the very wealthiest." From what I've seen of the people who've given in to the supermarket guilt trip, they mostly look like they're not too far from the soup kitchen themselves. | |||
"From what I've seen of the people who've given in to the supermarket guilt trip, they mostly look like they're not too far from the soup kitchen themselves." Exactly. Poorer people have always given a greater proportion of what they have to charity than those with wealth. And there's something sick about a supermarket, that we all know to have a huge amount of waste, profiting by getting people to purchase food from it to then be donated to a food bank. | |||
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"But it definitely WAS the Tories who gave the rich a 5% tax cut (to themselves & friends, basically) - put that fact alongside this thread!! Heartless bastards!! " Although I don't live in the UK I still pay some taxes there, and guess what? The Tories were right to cut taxes. The only thing they got wrong was not cutting them enough, but after 12 years of Labour p  igacy chucking (borrowed) money around like there was no tomorrow and now being hamstrung by the Limp Dims they didn't have much choice.
Where do you people think the bloody money comes from? do you think it grows on trees? For every one who takes benefit, or works in the public sector, someone else has to pay for it, or finish up adding it to the national debt which our kids grandkids and many more generations will have to pick up the tab for.
Like it or not, Britain (and most of Europe and the US) is living way beyond its means, and unless someone calls a halt to it we will look like millionaires compared to the suffering our descendants will have to face.
It's also very easy to bang on about the Tories letting big business get away with murder, and in some cases they do, but don't think for one moment that the last (or any future) Labour governments were/will be any better. Remember it was on their watch that bankers bonuses hit the stratosphere.
Also no matter what the government says or does they are trumped every time by EU law. That is why Amazon and others get away with paying their tax in Luxembourg rather that the UK.
So cut the heartless Tory crap.
As for the food banks? While there are some genuine cases of need through (usually) bad administration of benefits Etc. Many people choose to spend their benefits on other things then use food banks to make up the shortfall, my daughter's neighbours for example are regulars at the local food bank, yet have a house full of the latest gadgets, are heavy smokers and regularly have boozy house party's. Need? My Arse.
The child benefit cut is the best idea for a long time (and long overdue) Why should people have more and more kids safe in the knowledge that someone else is going to pay for it. "Oh it's my right they say". No it's bloody not!!! What about the rights of millions of hard working tax payers that have to fund not only feeding and clothing, but schooling, healthcare, and then in many cases another life spent of benefits?
Wake up people and smell the coffee. One day the money REALLY WILL run out.
As a footnote, just in case anyone thinks I come from a privileged background. My father died when I was 13 and my mother lived on £9 (nine pounds) a week widows pension plus a few quid she earned as a waitress. I left probably the roughest school in Blackpool at 15 with no formal qualifications and went straight to work, something I've done ever since.
Oh, and I am no longer a Conservative supporter I switched to UKIP a couple of years ago.
Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all.
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"Much of the waste is perishable and that poses distribution problems. What would almost certainly make a difference is if supermarkets automatically donated bashed tins to food banks." And the perfectly good food they refuse to put on the shelves because it doesn't 'look' perfect. | |||
" Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all. " Except, of course that it is because of Marx and Marxism that we have the ideological base that leads to things like the NHS, free schooling for all (although the church started these), Trades Unions, Feminism and so on... You could turn your statement entirely on its head and suggest that Keynsian (and even Keynes said that a welfare state was nescessary) free-marketeering removes the responsability of state and society and is on a clear path to the destruction of humanity. I am also self-employed, but unlike you I don't see the huge ammouts of luck and slight skill it takes to spot a gap in the market and exploit it (assuming you have suitable funding) as something to be elevated to the levels of demagoguery. People who 'work hard' do not always have the most (or indeed anything at all), but usually the most ruthless and expolitative do well... | |||
"But it definitely WAS the Tories who gave the rich a 5% tax cut (to themselves & friends, basically) - put that fact alongside this thread!! Heartless bastards!! Although I don't live in the UK I still pay some taxes there, and guess what? The Tories were right to cut taxes. The only thing they got wrong was not cutting them enough, but after 12 years of Labour p igacy chucking (borrowed) money around like there was no tomorrow and now being hamstrung by the Limp Dims they didn't have much choice.
Where do you people think the bloody money comes from? do you think it grows on trees? For every one who takes benefit, or works in the public sector, someone else has to pay for it, or finish up adding it to the national debt which our kids grandkids and many more generations will have to pick up the tab for.
Like it or not, Britain (and most of Europe and the US) is living way beyond its means, and unless someone calls a halt to it we will look like millionaires compared to the suffering our descendants will have to face.
It's also very easy to bang on about the Tories letting big business get away with murder, and in some cases they do, but don't think for one moment that the last (or any future) Labour governments were/will be any better. Remember it was on their watch that bankers bonuses hit the stratosphere.
Also no matter what the government says or does they are trumped every time by EU law. That is why Amazon and others get away with paying their tax in Luxembourg rather that the UK.
So cut the heartless Tory crap.
As for the food banks? While there are some genuine cases of need through (usually) bad administration of benefits Etc. Many people choose to spend their benefits on other things then use food banks to make up the shortfall, my daughter's neighbours for example are regulars at the local food bank, yet have a house full of the latest gadgets, are heavy smokers and regularly have boozy house party's. Need? My Arse.
The child benefit cut is the best idea for a long time (and long overdue) Why should people have more and more kids safe in the knowledge that someone else is going to pay for it. "Oh it's my right they say". No it's bloody not!!! What about the rights of millions of hard working tax payers that have to fund not only feeding and clothing, but schooling, healthcare, and then in many cases another life spent of benefits?
Wake up people and smell the coffee. One day the money REALLY WILL run out.
As a footnote, just in case anyone thinks I come from a privileged background. My father died when I was 13 and my mother lived on £9 (nine pounds) a week widows pension plus a few quid she earned as a waitress. I left probably the roughest school in Blackpool at 15 with no formal qualifications and went straight to work, something I've done ever since.
Oh, and I am no longer a Conservative supporter I switched to UKIP a couple of years ago.
Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all. I really hope some Scottish ppl see this and at least there will be a few more votes for independence..any working class person reading this will see why we are under a Tory liberal coalition
..yes there really is ppl that think like this in Britain,the rich get a rise and the working class and sick get that big a cut that the struggle gets harder year on year...why would any working class Scottish person want to stay with ppl that think this is the right way..,i see the Tories as an evil cult of men and women and their followers make it possible for them to carry on their wicked ways,.and i hope one day that Tory and fucking ukip voters fall on hard times and lets see what their government do to help them..I've got a old fashioned 14inch portable but i dont think that ppl with big flatscreens should feel ashamed for having one or that they are out of order for having one and its ppl who think like that that will make me go to polling station for the first time and vote to get English Tory rule chased out our system for good..and the Tory voters in Scotland can head south with the rest of them tae think again.
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"But it definitely WAS the Tories who gave the rich a 5% tax cut (to themselves & friends, basically) - put that fact alongside this thread!! Heartless bastards!! Although I don't live in the UK I still pay some taxes there, and guess what? The Tories were right to cut taxes. The only thing they got wrong was not cutting them enough, but after 12 years of Labour p igacy chucking (borrowed) money around like there was no tomorrow and now being hamstrung by the Limp Dims they didn't have much choice.
Where do you people think the bloody money comes from? do you think it grows on trees? For every one who takes benefit, or works in the public sector, someone else has to pay for it, or finish up adding it to the national debt which our kids grandkids and many more generations will have to pick up the tab for.
Like it or not, Britain (and most of Europe and the US) is living way beyond its means, and unless someone calls a halt to it we will look like millionaires compared to the suffering our descendants will have to face.
It's also very easy to bang on about the Tories letting big business get away with murder, and in some cases they do, but don't think for one moment that the last (or any future) Labour governments were/will be any better. Remember it was on their watch that bankers bonuses hit the stratosphere.
Also no matter what the government says or does they are trumped every time by EU law. That is why Amazon and others get away with paying their tax in Luxembourg rather that the UK.
So cut the heartless Tory crap.
As for the food banks? While there are some genuine cases of need through (usually) bad administration of benefits Etc. Many people choose to spend their benefits on other things then use food banks to make up the shortfall, my daughter's neighbours for example are regulars at the local food bank, yet have a house full of the latest gadgets, are heavy smokers and regularly have boozy house party's. Need? My Arse.
The child benefit cut is the best idea for a long time (and long overdue) Why should people have more and more kids safe in the knowledge that someone else is going to pay for it. "Oh it's my right they say". No it's bloody not!!! What about the rights of millions of hard working tax payers that have to fund not only feeding and clothing, but schooling, healthcare, and then in many cases another life spent of benefits?
Wake up people and smell the coffee. One day the money REALLY WILL run out.
As a footnote, just in case anyone thinks I come from a privileged background. My father died when I was 13 and my mother lived on £9 (nine pounds) a week widows pension plus a few quid she earned as a waitress. I left probably the roughest school in Blackpool at 15 with no formal qualifications and went straight to work, something I've done ever since.
Oh, and I am no longer a Conservative supporter I switched to UKIP a couple of years ago.
Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all. I really hope some Scottish ppl see this and at least there will be a few more votes for independence..any working class person reading this will see why we are under a Tory liberal coalition
..yes there really is ppl that think like this in Britain,the rich get a rise and the working class and sick get that big a cut that the struggle gets harder year on year...why would any working class Scottish person want to stay with ppl that think this is the right way..,i see the Tories as an evil cult of men and women and their followers make it possible for them to carry on their wicked ways,.and i hope one day that Tory and fucking ukip voters fall on hard times and lets see what their government do to help them..I've got a old fashioned 14inch portable but i dont think that ppl with big flatscreens should feel ashamed for having one or that they are out of order for having one and its ppl who think like that that will make me go to polling station for the first time and vote to get English Tory rule chased out our system for good..and the Tory voters in Scotland can head south with the rest of them tae think again.
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"Totally agree - heartless Tory's!" Not just tories that are culpable but the two faced power at any cost libdem twats that look the other way. Its shameful that cameron stated food banks were sign of big society at work. No interest that folk have to survive this way and as a nation we just standby and accept. Hassle your local mp and if they as mine would not accept their policies and idealogy causes this situation. As nearer election time this should be highlighted by everyone who has ounce of compassion and do not vote the twats involved back in. We are an embarassment and look like a third world nation. Yet we have money to give to china and india who need no money from us while folk here suffer as direct result of this crew in power. | |||
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" IDS had said a while back that its perfectly easy to survive on benefits whilst scoffing a £30 odd breakfast. What a fud It is, and I do Although it's not the high life (like some sweeping statements suggest), the budget is tight, every penny is accounted for, but we (my family) eat well. We don't have holidays, and we wear 2nd hand clothes. Any gadgetry is ebay/gift/passed to us ... Money is spent on essentials - food, rent, bills. I loathe not working, it angers me I got ill, and frustrates me that I can't support my family myself, but I am grateful for the financial help Benefits give - without them I'd be homeless and the spawn in care. Im also having to get by on benefits and yes it is doable with careful budgeting but what really irks me is all these politicians making all the cuts of the day whilst giving themselves a pay rise. It smacks of sheer greediness so it does The politicians didn't give themselves a pay rise it was decided by an independent board. " If you check the make up of the independent panel most are lords etc and linked by default to mps. Government say they cannot do owt to stop it yet when independent panels recommend decent increase for doctors etc they intervene and change it. | |||
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"But it definitely WAS the Tories who gave the rich a 5% tax cut (to themselves & friends, basically) - put that fact alongside this thread!! Heartless bastards!! Although I don't live in the UK I still pay some taxes there, and guess what? The Tories were right to cut taxes. The only thing they got wrong was not cutting them enough, but after 12 years of Labour p igacy chucking (borrowed) money around like there was no tomorrow and now being hamstrung by the Limp Dims they didn't have much choice.
Where do you people think the bloody money comes from? do you think it grows on trees? For every one who takes benefit, or works in the public sector, someone else has to pay for it, or finish up adding it to the national debt which our kids grandkids and many more generations will have to pick up the tab for.
Like it or not, Britain (and most of Europe and the US) is living way beyond its means, and unless someone calls a halt to it we will look like millionaires compared to the suffering our descendants will have to face.
It's also very easy to bang on about the Tories letting big business get away with murder, and in some cases they do, but don't think for one moment that the last (or any future) Labour governments were/will be any better. Remember it was on their watch that bankers bonuses hit the stratosphere.
Also no matter what the government says or does they are trumped every time by EU law. That is why Amazon and others get away with paying their tax in Luxembourg rather that the UK.
So cut the heartless Tory crap.
As for the food banks? While there are some genuine cases of need through (usually) bad administration of benefits Etc. Many people choose to spend their benefits on other things then use food banks to make up the shortfall, my daughter's neighbours for example are regulars at the local food bank, yet have a house full of the latest gadgets, are heavy smokers and regularly have boozy house party's. Need? My Arse.
The child benefit cut is the best idea for a long time (and long overdue) Why should people have more and more kids safe in the knowledge that someone else is going to pay for it. "Oh it's my right they say". No it's bloody not!!! What about the rights of millions of hard working tax payers that have to fund not only feeding and clothing, but schooling, healthcare, and then in many cases another life spent of benefits?
Wake up people and smell the coffee. One day the money REALLY WILL run out.
As a footnote, just in case anyone thinks I come from a privileged background. My father died when I was 13 and my mother lived on £9 (nine pounds) a week widows pension plus a few quid she earned as a waitress. I left probably the roughest school in Blackpool at 15 with no formal qualifications and went straight to work, something I've done ever since.
Oh, and I am no longer a Conservative supporter I switched to UKIP a couple of years ago.
Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all. I really hope some Scottish ppl see this and at least there will be a few more votes for independence..any working class person reading this will see why we are under a Tory liberal coalition
..yes there really is ppl that think like this in Britain,the rich get a rise and the working class and sick get that big a cut that the struggle gets harder year on year...why would any working class Scottish person want to stay with ppl that think this is the right way..,i see the Tories as an evil cult of men and women and their followers make it possible for them to carry on their wicked ways,.and i hope one day that Tory and fucking ukip voters fall on hard times and lets see what their government do to help them..I've got a old fashioned 14inch portable but i dont think that ppl with big flatscreens should feel ashamed for having one or that they are out of order for having one and its ppl who think like that that will make me go to polling station for the first time and vote to get English Tory rule chased out our system for good..and the Tory voters in Scotland can head south with the rest of them tae think again.
"Lots of the comments on here, including mine, are opinions. However one thing is a certainty. Should Scotland go it alone, the money will run out a lot faster than the rest of the UK. Do you really think that diminishing oil revenue and a few bottles of Scotch will cover the free prescriptions, University, and all the other benefits? "Tae think again" ?? Don't tempt me. | |||
" .,i see the Tories as an evil cult of men and women and their followers make it possible for them to carry on their wicked ways,.and i hope one day that Tory and fucking ukip voters fall on hard times and lets see what their government do to help them............. " No doubt they'll put their jackboots and Iron Crosses on ebay. 'Free enterprise dontcha know'. | |||
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"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?" From what I can gather a lot of the time you need to be referred by a social worker or a support agency such as the CAB or Money Advice Agency. Failing that make an appointment and take along benefit letters etc....it may vary area to area though. | |||
"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?From what I can gather a lot of the time you need to be referred by a social worker or a support agency such as the CAB or Money Advice Agency. Failing that make an appointment and take along benefit letters etc....it may vary area to area though." Thank you femme. So it's not a "free" for all turn up and just help yourself. That's good. I'm thinking of taking some food to our local one. | |||
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"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?From what I can gather a lot of the time you need to be referred by a social worker or a support agency such as the CAB or Money Advice Agency. Failing that make an appointment and take along benefit letters etc....it may vary area to area though. Thank you femme. So it's not a "free" for all turn up and just help yourself. That's good. I'm thinking of taking some food to our local one. " I am sure they would be grateful, I took some last week...such lovely people working there. | |||
"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?" vouchers are given out by jobcentres C A B offices social woorkers health visitors and churches and other support workers. | |||
"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?vouchers are given out by jobcentres C A B offices social woorkers health visitors and churches and other support workers." I can't imagine what business it is of churches. | |||
"Totally agree - heartless Tory's!" oh yeah, I totally forgot the Country only went to shit when Labour lost power  | |||
"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?vouchers are given out by jobcentres C A B offices social woorkers health visitors and churches and other support workers. I can't imagine what business it is of churches." people turn to them in times of need. | |||
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"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?vouchers are given out by jobcentres C A B offices social woorkers health visitors and churches and other support workers. I can't imagine what business it is of churches.people turn to them in times of need." Desperation you mean? Hardly the basis on which to build a faith. Still, paid liars in fancy dress are pretty gullible. | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! " Like the Monarchy? | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?" Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are....  | |||
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"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are.... "Well, when people stumble into a room with no windows, it's hard not to slam the door behind them. | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?" Nothing like a Monarchy... I the last 100 years name a Monarchy that has slaughtered/starved and tortured thousands or even millions of it's own people... Socailists on the other hand make quite a long list... | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are....
Well, when people stumble into a room with no windows, it's hard not to slam the door behind them."Religion and the monarchy in one thread! Your early christmas present! Enjoy! | |||
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"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are....
Well, when people stumble into a room with no windows, it's hard not to slam the door behind them.
Religion and the monarchy in one thread! Your early christmas present! Enjoy! "I also managed to have a dig at Fascism (though some might say that's just the same as the Monarchy). | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are....
Well, when people stumble into a room with no windows, it's hard not to slam the door behind them."Onny you will never need a food bank... Not with the size of that chip on your shoulder...  | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are....
Well, when people stumble into a room with no windows, it's hard not to slam the door behind them.
Religion and the monarchy in one thread! Your early christmas present! Enjoy!
I also managed to have a dig at Fascism (though some might say that's just the same as the Monarchy)."Boom Tssshhhhhh  | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are....
Well, when people stumble into a room with no windows, it's hard not to slam the door behind them.
Onny you will never need a food bank... Not with the size of that chip on your shoulder..."As my late Mother always reminded me, I could get a piece at anyone's door. | |||
"Socailism is like a pyramid scheme. It only works if you are at the top! Like the Monarchy?Are you in raptures of ecstasy right now Onny? I bet you are....
Well, when people stumble into a room with no windows, it's hard not to slam the door behind them.
Onny you will never need a food bank... Not with the size of that chip on your shoulder...
As my late Mother always reminded me, I could get a piece at anyone's door."You can never beat a mothers wisdom... | |||
"But it definitely WAS the Tories who gave the rich a 5% tax cut (to themselves & friends, basically) - put that fact alongside this thread!! Heartless bastards!! Although I don't live in the UK I still pay some taxes there, and guess what? The Tories were right to cut taxes. The only thing they got wrong was not cutting them enough, but after 12 years of Labour p igacy chucking (borrowed) money around like there was no tomorrow and now being hamstrung by the Limp Dims they didn't have much choice.
Where do you people think the bloody money comes from? do you think it grows on trees? For every one who takes benefit, or works in the public sector, someone else has to pay for it, or finish up adding it to the national debt which our kids grandkids and many more generations will have to pick up the tab for.
Like it or not, Britain (and most of Europe and the US) is living way beyond its means, and unless someone calls a halt to it we will look like millionaires compared to the suffering our descendants will have to face.
It's also very easy to bang on about the Tories letting big business get away with murder, and in some cases they do, but don't think for one moment that the last (or any future) Labour governments were/will be any better. Remember it was on their watch that bankers bonuses hit the stratosphere.
Also no matter what the government says or does they are trumped every time by EU law. That is why Amazon and others get away with paying their tax in Luxembourg rather that the UK.
So cut the heartless Tory crap.
As for the food banks? While there are some genuine cases of need through (usually) bad administration of benefits Etc. Many people choose to spend their benefits on other things then use food banks to make up the shortfall, my daughter's neighbours for example are regulars at the local food bank, yet have a house full of the latest gadgets, are heavy smokers and regularly have boozy house party's. Need? My Arse.
The child benefit cut is the best idea for a long time (and long overdue) Why should people have more and more kids safe in the knowledge that someone else is going to pay for it. "Oh it's my right they say". No it's bloody not!!! What about the rights of millions of hard working tax payers that have to fund not only feeding and clothing, but schooling, healthcare, and then in many cases another life spent of benefits?
Wake up people and smell the coffee. One day the money REALLY WILL run out.
As a footnote, just in case anyone thinks I come from a privileged background. My father died when I was 13 and my mother lived on £9 (nine pounds) a week widows pension plus a few quid she earned as a waitress. I left probably the roughest school in Blackpool at 15 with no formal qualifications and went straight to work, something I've done ever since.
Oh, and I am no longer a Conservative supporter I switched to UKIP a couple of years ago.
Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all.
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"But it definitely WAS the Tories who gave the rich a 5% tax cut (to themselves & friends, basically) - put that fact alongside this thread!! Heartless bastards!! Although I don't live in the UK I still pay some taxes there, and guess what? The Tories were right to cut taxes. The only thing they got wrong was not cutting them enough, but after 12 years of Labour p igacy chucking (borrowed) money around like there was no tomorrow and now being hamstrung by the Limp Dims they didn't have much choice.
Where do you people think the bloody money comes from? do you think it grows on trees? For every one who takes benefit, or works in the public sector, someone else has to pay for it, or finish up adding it to the national debt which our kids grandkids and many more generations will have to pick up the tab for.
Like it or not, Britain (and most of Europe and the US) is living way beyond its means, and unless someone calls a halt to it we will look like millionaires compared to the suffering our descendants will have to face.
It's also very easy to bang on about the Tories letting big business get away with murder, and in some cases they do, but don't think for one moment that the last (or any future) Labour governments were/will be any better. Remember it was on their watch that bankers bonuses hit the stratosphere.
Also no matter what the government says or does they are trumped every time by EU law. That is why Amazon and others get away with paying their tax in Luxembourg rather that the UK.
So cut the heartless Tory crap.
As for the food banks? While there are some genuine cases of need through (usually) bad administration of benefits Etc. Many people choose to spend their benefits on other things then use food banks to make up the shortfall, my daughter's neighbours for example are regulars at the local food bank, yet have a house full of the latest gadgets, are heavy smokers and regularly have boozy house party's. Need? My Arse.
The child benefit cut is the best idea for a long time (and long overdue) Why should people have more and more kids safe in the knowledge that someone else is going to pay for it. "Oh it's my right they say". No it's bloody not!!! What about the rights of millions of hard working tax payers that have to fund not only feeding and clothing, but schooling, healthcare, and then in many cases another life spent of benefits?
Wake up people and smell the coffee. One day the money REALLY WILL run out.
As a footnote, just in case anyone thinks I come from a privileged background. My father died when I was 13 and my mother lived on £9 (nine pounds) a week widows pension plus a few quid she earned as a waitress. I left probably the roughest school in Blackpool at 15 with no formal qualifications and went straight to work, something I've done ever since.
Oh, and I am no longer a Conservative supporter I switched to UKIP a couple of years ago.
Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all.
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"The fact we are even having this debate is wrong. The worlds 6th biggest economy and yet we're debating food banks. Wtf" | |||
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"I love the fact that whenever it comes to politics or anything else vaguely contentious on here (ie, should shoes match your handbag?), the first few posts are always 7-8 lines long at best, then when you page down, they get longer, before round about the 50-100 mark, they end up looking as if they should have chapter headings..... and yes, shoes and handbags should always match "I haven't read through as I can guess, more or less, what each chapter covers. When Osborne made his Budget statement earlier this year he said what a good job food banks do and shows how this country looks after people. It is basically government policy to move people away from state support and onto charitable support. Big Society was the PMs ideology and he never said what it really means. | |||
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"food banks are a discrace and the government should be deeply ashamed that so many ppl in a country such as ours are so reliant on using them to get by .what makes it even worse is the fact a lot of ppl that are in paid employment are having to use them as a meens to survive.food banks started popping up during the last government but they are now popping up at an alarming rate all over the country as more and more ppl struggle "Food banks are means tested and you need a voucher to access one. These are given out by the benefits agency or local authority to people who are proven to be in need. You can't just rock up to one and expect a hand out | |||
"food banks are a discrace and the government should be deeply ashamed that so many ppl in a country such as ours are so reliant on using them to get by .what makes it even worse is the fact a lot of ppl that are in paid employment are having to use them as a meens to survive.food banks started popping up during the last government but they are now popping up at an alarming rate all over the country as more and more ppl struggle
Food banks are means tested and you need a voucher to access one. These are given out by the benefits agency or local authority to people who are proven to be in need. You can't just rock up to one and expect a hand out "That isn't true of all of them. A programme on Channel 4 a few weeks back interviewed some who said they "never turned anyone away" and asked no questions. | |||
"Big Society has been quietly dropped because few of the people who might have been supportive of the concept would have anything to do with anything which smacks of Toryism." And Nat Wei (now Lord Wei) could no longer afford to do it! | |||
"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?From what I can gather a lot of the time you need to be referred by a social worker or a support agency such as the CAB or Money Advice Agency. Failing that make an appointment and take along benefit letters etc....it may vary area to area though. Thank you femme. So it's not a "free" for all turn up and just help yourself. That's good. I'm thinking of taking some food to our local one. I am sure they would be grateful, I took some last week...such lovely people working there." I think they have like a preferred food list, is that right or did you just take anything ? | |||
"Big Society has been quietly dropped because few of the people who might have been supportive of the concept would have anything to do with anything which smacks of Toryism. And Nat Wei (now Lord Wei) could no longer afford to do it!" That was one of the funniest things of his appointment as the Big Society champion - his discovery that volunteering has a price and we can't all do everything for free. | |||
"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?From what I can gather a lot of the time you need to be referred by a social worker or a support agency such as the CAB or Money Advice Agency. Failing that make an appointment and take along benefit letters etc....it may vary area to area though. Thank you femme. So it's not a "free" for all turn up and just help yourself. That's good. I'm thinking of taking some food to our local one. I am sure they would be grateful, I took some last week...such lovely people working there. I think they have like a preferred food list, is that right or did you just take anything ?" They have lists of staples that they really need but you can take anything. The problem is with treat foods that have a short shelf life. The food banks I have been involved with like to receive some treat type foods as it's grim for people to just have basics all the time. I have taken in chocolate as well so that the children can have a treat. | |||
"Big Society has been quietly dropped because few of the people who might have been supportive of the concept would have anything to do with anything which smacks of Toryism. And Nat Wei (now Lord Wei) could no longer afford to do it! That was one of the funniest things of his appointment as the Big Society champion - his discovery that volunteering has a price and we can't all do everything for free. " Oh yes. Although the aptly named Shaftesbury Partnership have done pretty well out of things | |||
"Big Society has been quietly dropped because few of the people who might have been supportive of the concept would have anything to do with anything which smacks of Toryism. And Nat Wei (now Lord Wei) could no longer afford to do it! That was one of the funniest things of his appointment as the Big Society champion - his discovery that volunteering has a price and we can't all do everything for free. Oh yes. Although the aptly named Shaftesbury Partnership have done pretty well out of things " That was the reason he was appointed in the first place. | |||
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"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?From what I can gather a lot of the time you need to be referred by a social worker or a support agency such as the CAB or Money Advice Agency. Failing that make an appointment and take along benefit letters etc....it may vary area to area though." That info is correct for down here where I live,not had to use the local one yet but may need to do soon as savings are running out and no hope of a new job to replace the savings. | |||
"Well blame all the idiots what voted for them.labour may of overspent etc.but they at least looked after poor people.its a shame this country is in this mess.they are happy to send money to China India Nigeria countries that don't need help but continue to shit on there own people.that's Tories for you.some people will never learn and continue to vote for them " Here here... I remember it well. It never rained under labour... The NHS were giving money back as it was run so well and there was no poverty... Labour never lied to start a war. Finally they didn't give away all the countries gold or spend spend spend using money they didn't have... | |||
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"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-leaves-commons-debate-on-food-banks-early-9013917.html. Im deeply disgusted by some government officals reactions to the plight of people all around the country that have to use food banks just to get by. Having needed to use them myself before i know they provide great help to people. Those government officals should hang their heads in shame!!! "don't waste time or energy thinking about it, just get off your arse and do some good, talking about it, never fed anyone.  | |||
"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-leaves-commons-debate-on-food-banks-early-9013917.html. Im deeply disgusted by some government officals reactions to the plight of people all around the country that have to use food banks just to get by. Having needed to use them myself before i know they provide great help to people. Those government officals should hang their heads in shame!!!
don't waste time or energy thinking about it, just get off your arse and do some good, talking about it, never fed anyone. "I have donated to local food banks where i can. So i am trying to help | |||
"Well blame all the idiots what voted for them.labour may of overspent etc.but they at least looked after poor people.its a shame this country is in this mess.they are happy to send money to China India Nigeria countries that don't need help but continue to shit on there own people.that's Tories for you.some people will never learn and continue to vote for them Here here... I remember it well. It never rained under labour... The NHS were giving money back as it was run so well and there was no poverty... Labour never lied to start a war. Finally they didn't give away all the countries gold or spend spend spend using money they didn't have..."
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"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-leaves-commons-debate-on-food-banks-early-9013917.html. Im deeply disgusted by some government officals reactions to the plight of people all around the country that have to use food banks just to get by. Having needed to use them myself before i know they provide great help to people. Those government officals should hang their heads in shame!!!
don't waste time or energy thinking about it, just get off your arse and do some good, talking about it, never fed anyone.
I have donated to local food banks where i can. So i am trying to help "Me too if everyone gave a little it would make life so much less harsh for many more. | |||
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" Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all. Except, of course that it is because of Marx and Marxism that we have the ideological base that leads to things like the NHS, free schooling for all (although the church started these), Trades Unions, Feminism and so on... You could turn your statement entirely on its head and suggest that Keynsian (and even Keynes said that a welfare state was nescessary) free-marketeering removes the responsability of state and society and is on a clear path to the destruction of humanity. I am also self-employed, but unlike you I don't see the huge ammouts of luck and slight skill it takes to spot a gap in the market and exploit it (assuming you have suitable funding) as something to be elevated to the levels of demagoguery. People who 'work hard' do not always have the most (or indeed anything at all), but usually the most ruthless and expolitative do well..." Beautifully put. | |||
"But it definitely WAS the Tories who gave the rich a 5% tax cut (to themselves & friends, basically) - put that fact alongside this thread!! Heartless bastards!! Although I don't live in the UK I still pay some taxes there, and guess what? The Tories were right to cut taxes. The only thing they got wrong was not cutting them enough, but after 12 years of Labour p igacy chucking (borrowed) money around like there was no tomorrow and now being hamstrung by the Limp Dims they didn't have much choice.
Where do you people think the bloody money comes from? do you think it grows on trees? For every one who takes benefit, or works in the public sector, someone else has to pay for it, or finish up adding it to the national debt which our kids grandkids and many more generations will have to pick up the tab for.
Like it or not, Britain (and most of Europe and the US) is living way beyond its means, and unless someone calls a halt to it we will look like millionaires compared to the suffering our descendants will have to face.
It's also very easy to bang on about the Tories letting big business get away with murder, and in some cases they do, but don't think for one moment that the last (or any future) Labour governments were/will be any better. Remember it was on their watch that bankers bonuses hit the stratosphere.
Also no matter what the government says or does they are trumped every time by EU law. That is why Amazon and others get away with paying their tax in Luxembourg rather that the UK.
So cut the heartless Tory crap.
As for the food banks? While there are some genuine cases of need through (usually) bad administration of benefits Etc. Many people choose to spend their benefits on other things then use food banks to make up the shortfall, my daughter's neighbours for example are regulars at the local food bank, yet have a house full of the latest gadgets, are heavy smokers and regularly have boozy house party's. Need? My Arse.
The child benefit cut is the best idea for a long time (and long overdue) Why should people have more and more kids safe in the knowledge that someone else is going to pay for it. "Oh it's my right they say". No it's bloody not!!! What about the rights of millions of hard working tax payers that have to fund not only feeding and clothing, but schooling, healthcare, and then in many cases another life spent of benefits?
Wake up people and smell the coffee. One day the money REALLY WILL run out.
As a footnote, just in case anyone thinks I come from a privileged background. My father died when I was 13 and my mother lived on £9 (nine pounds) a week widows pension plus a few quid she earned as a waitress. I left probably the roughest school in Blackpool at 15 with no formal qualifications and went straight to work, something I've done ever since.
Oh, and I am no longer a Conservative supporter I switched to UKIP a couple of years ago.
Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all.
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"How do they determine who is eligible for food banks?From what I can gather a lot of the time you need to be referred by a social worker or a support agency such as the CAB or Money Advice Agency. Failing that make an appointment and take along benefit letters etc....it may vary area to area though. Thank you femme. So it's not a "free" for all turn up and just help yourself. That's good. I'm thinking of taking some food to our local one. I am sure they would be grateful, I took some last week...such lovely people working there. I think they have like a preferred food list, is that right or did you just take anything ? They have lists of staples that they really need but you can take anything. The problem is with treat foods that have a short shelf life. The food banks I have been involved with like to receive some treat type foods as it's grim for people to just have basics all the time. I have taken in chocolate as well so that the children can have a treat. " I'm off to Asda later to do a shop for them. I've seen the list. Really basic like dried pasta and tins and tea. Will definately put some treats in | |||
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" Finally Socialism (AKA Communism spelled differently) is the scourge of humanity and will eventually destroy us all. Except, of course that it is because of Marx and Marxism that we have the ideological base that leads to things like the NHS, free schooling for all (although the church started these), Trades Unions, Feminism and so on..." Funny thing is if a man kills a child he should be killed... If a man kills millions and has a good idea he is forgiven... All the above things are a good idea in theory. However when humans get involved greed and self improvement take over. The type of people that run things like this always think that they know best and everyone else is wrong. To the extent that they will kill people who disagree... At least a free market gives you a small chance. Socailism only gives you a chance if you have a powerful uncle to promote you... | |||
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"Sorry forgot to add, a foodbank is not allowed to give out out of date food, not even dented tins. Health and safety laws and protection from being sued, sad but true. " There is no H&S law about that. But I'm sure the food banks have a policy of not using out of date food or items that are damaged. | |||
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"Also toilettress soap toothpaste washing up liquid nappies wet wipes baby food ladies items for painters week are all needed as well " Those are the kinds of things I dinate. In fact, did one of my regular drops today at my local sainsbury. | |||
"Also toilettress soap toothpaste washing up liquid nappies wet wipes baby food ladies items for painters week are all needed as well Those are the kinds of things I dinate. In fact, did one of my regular drops today at my local sainsbury. " *donate | |||
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"Sorry forgot to add, a foodbank is not allowed to give out out of date food, not even dented tins. Health and safety laws and protection from being sued, sad but true. " When you look at how much food the big supermarkets throw out that actually would be edible its tragic that people are starving.. | |||
"This Government Sucks the life out of people.." Ah, but not the 'right kind' of people - to their way of thinking. | |||
