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Domino's Pizza boss says that he can't fill 1000 jobs since immigration rules were tightened. Minister says that he should pay staff more money.
Who do you think is right? Would you pay more for your pizzas to ensure that UK workers are employed? |
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By *ach3Man
over a year ago
Watford |
Yes I saw this and the only reason why there may be a 1000 plus jobs unable to be filled is due to the s**t wages, hours, conditions of employment they will offer.
The foreign workers have lower costs back home and even though wages here may be s-*t for people living here - its more than they would get back home.
Its not cost of pizza - its about max profits!! |
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over a year ago
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Think it kind of says more about some of the attitudes of the British public that they would rather sit on benefits than go out and do a minimum wage job.
We would much rather take on any job if we were out of work, and use that as a stepping stone to something better, rather than waste the day away.
Our own egos wouldn't allow us to do nothing, nor we would we want to lose our respect for each other by not being in work |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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1000 Zero hour contract jobs,paying minimum wage and not enough hours to live on, and no benefits because you dont do enough hours.
Sounds like plan "A" is working perfectly. |
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"Think it kind of says more about some of the attitudes of the British public that they would rather sit on benefits than go out and do a minimum wage job.
We would much rather take on any job if we were out of work, and use that as a stepping stone to something better, rather than waste the day away.
Our own egos wouldn't allow us to do nothing, nor we would we want to lose our respect for each other by not being in work"
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over a year ago
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How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have you seen how much profits dominos make in a year ? Of course they can afford to pay more, its about greed, and i dont really rate dominos pizza for what they cost, had better pizzas out of iceland and aldis for lest than £2 and takes less time to cook than it takes dominos to deliver their soggy pizzas ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"theres far too many low paid jobs in this country and a report yesterday said more ppl in employment are now living in poverty than ever before  "
For years folk accept the minimum wage as adequate to live off instead of actually fighting for more.
As a nation most folk moan about low pay and are to lazy and gutless to do owt.
If dominos are paying minimum wage abd unable to fill roles then they like every other employer should pay a living wage not the bare minimum government says is the poverty line. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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We keep hearing about the market and profits. However wages and labour are also part of market forces. You drive wages so low it's not worth people working for them then don't be surprised when you have a recruitment crisis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem"
So do the "cheap foreign labour" not have to have the business insurance on their car as well? Well yes surely they do.
If these "young ones" who can somehow afford the car first of all and presumably the extortionate insurance in the first place want to have some more money, then it's a speculate to accumulate situation |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"in an ideal world even a low paid job would earn you more than being on benefits to prevent this sort of situation from happening"
Took the words from my mouth Evie!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You would be amazed at how many of these delivery drivers have basic private insurance and just hope they dont get pulled.
I know of several that do it and have been pulled "just collecting my own" usually works as a good answer.
Trying to do it fully legal, is not an option, when you have to pay for the extra Business delivery insurance.
They would be working for around £5 a night. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They charge a lot as it is. Secondly check their profits at the end of the year and then if to something silly. Then keep the prices of the products the same, but give the staff a pay rise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"in an ideal world even a low paid job would earn you more than being on benefits to prevent this sort of situation from happening
Took the words from my mouth Evie!! "
And mine |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes I saw this and the only reason why there may be a 1000 plus jobs unable to be filled is due to the s**t wages, hours, conditions of employment they will offer.
The foreign workers have lower costs back home and even though wages here may be s-*t for people living here - its more than they would get back home.
Its not cost of pizza - its about max profits!!"
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Minimum wage is an excuse to pay low wages, nobody should be on minimum wage.
It won't stop until enough people stop using Domino (and all the other rip off firms)."
so question is like with poundland... people vote with their feet... how many people would you then put out of a job....
some people are just too proud and too choosey... they would rather live on benefits than get minimum wage....
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They only made 49.7 million last financial year 
God must be awful not to know where the next Lear jet is coming from. "
Lear Jets are about £10m quid!
Why do people never seem to understand that companies like Dominos are BUSINESSES! The aim of being in business is to make profits!
If they're only struggling for staff as there's a lack of immigrant workers (who I'm sure don't commute from eastern Europe or wherever, and have to cover the same accommodation, food and living costs as UK residents!) then I find it far more shocking that the UK unemployed don't want a job than a business making money!  |
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This is wonderfully placed news , profit warning on this company and trading in germany and UK is looking troublesome for 2014 with slow down on growth forcast . Yet as a company that turns over 210 million a year with a average profit of 35 million and 10 quid for a pizza .just a clever media spin to take your eye off the ball . |
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"Minimum wage is an excuse to pay low wages, nobody should be on minimum wage.
It won't stop until enough people stop using Domino (and all the other rip off firms).
so question is like with poundland... people vote with their feet... how many people would you then put out of a job....
some people are just too proud and too choosey... they would rather live on benefits than get minimum wage....
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The irony hey, too proud to work for minimum wage but no qualms living on benefits. |
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"Minimum wage is an excuse to pay low wages, nobody should be on minimum wage.
It won't stop until enough people stop using Domino (and all the other rip off firms).
so question is like with poundland... people vote with their feet... how many people would you then put out of a job....
some people are just too proud and too choosey... they would rather live on benefits than get minimum wage....
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So your blaming the employee who wants the cheapest he can get rather than the more efficient.
Friend of mine, on nvq level 3 been with the same company 5 years, still on minimum wage.
There should be scaled wages, with training courses, incentives etc.
Or at least after probation give a higher rate.
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"They only made 49.7 million last financial year
God must be awful not to know where the next Lear jet is coming from.
Lear Jets are about £10m quid!
Why do people never seem to understand that companies like Dominos are BUSINESSES! The aim of being in business is to make profits!
If they're only struggling for staff as there's a lack of immigrant workers (who I'm sure don't commute from eastern Europe or wherever, and have to cover the same accommodation, food and living costs as UK residents!) then I find it far more shocking that the UK unemployed don't want a job than a business making money! "
What you say in theory is good however the fact is for most the minimum wage is not enough to live off. If living wage of say 8quid was the norm it would help companies attract and more importantly keep staff.
Why oh why do folk accept minimum wage as its all they are worth. Aim higher aim to live not survive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally I would take any job if I was out of work, I have done in the past and will again if needs be. I would imagine the majority of their drivers don't have business insurance tbh although I think I remember someone saying they had to pay £2 a shift to dominos for business use, Mau be getting confused with something else though. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
see its easy for you to say people should expect better.... have a look at how many people work for dominos in the uk...
25,000
i am guessing most of those are at the bottom working for minimum wage.....
how many of you would really put your money where your mouths were if they said
"we will pay everyone the minimum living wage..... but your pizza prices are going up???"
I would love to say a lot of you.... but I doubt that would be the case......
its easy for the minister so say "pay better"... heck he gets expenses covered and is about to get an 11% pay rise.... I'm better his disposable income is much larger than the civil servants who at the bottom have had pay rises of 0,0,0,1 and 1% in the last 5 years....
can we all have his pay rise then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I (male half) lost my job retrained as a chef with a view to opening my own place one day. Now I work on minimum wage 60 hours a week most weeks 6 days out of 7 in a bar. I have publicly defended benefits for those that need them to get back in work and still agree with this. However I get so bloody frustrated seeing the same unemployed guys sitting at the bar for hours on end every day of the week on benefits. Inc one father and son too ill to work. In this case its all bollocks. |
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"I (male half) lost my job retrained as a chef with a view to opening my own place one day. Now I work on minimum wage 60 hours a week most weeks 6 days out of 7 in a bar. I have publicly defended benefits for those that need them to get back in work and still agree with this. However I get so bloody frustrated seeing the same unemployed guys sitting at the bar for hours on end every day of the week on benefits. Inc one father and son too ill to work. In this case its all bollocks."
Sounds like me. Only you can afford to travel to a meet  . |
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By *ach3Man
over a year ago
Watford |
I hope anyone who is watching this thread and is in a position of paying people a minimum wage is taking note that paying minimum wage is a cop out!
You should be looking after yr staff and ensuring that they get some benefit from making you money.
As for imigrants accepting the minimum wage and still living in the uk - they are probably house sharing and living with 3 or 4 people in a room. Short term that may be fine (and something that employers take advantage of) but ts not a way to live if you want to marry and have kids.
We need to look after our own and make Britian great again - paying British workets a proper wage that they will re-invest in Britian (not take out the country) That's my view anyway |
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"I hope anyone who is watching this thread and is in a position of paying people a minimum wage is taking note that paying minimum wage is a cop out!
You should be looking after yr staff and ensuring that they get some benefit from making you money.
As for imigrants accepting the minimum wage and still living in the uk - they are probably house sharing and living with 3 or 4 people in a room. Short term that may be fine (and something that employers take advantage of) but ts not a way to live if you want to marry and have kids.
We need to look after our own and make Britian great again - paying British workets a proper wage that they will re-invest in Britian (not take out the country) That's my view anyway "
David Cameron eat your heart out. |
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"Think it kind of says more about some of the attitudes of the British public that they would rather sit on benefits than go out and do a minimum wage job.
We would much rather take on any job if we were out of work, and use that as a stepping stone to something better, rather than waste the day away.
Our own egos wouldn't allow us to do nothing, nor we would we want to lose our respect for each other by not being in work"
Well said! And it's easier to get a job if you are already in a job. I've done some very 'menial' jobs in my 'yoof' and it always lead to better things. |
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else."
Some of them live in conditions that people here would not dream of.
Sometimes 12 people sharing a 3 bedroom house and split all the bills. Very common in London people will make sacrifices for a better life. |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem"
Actually I work for Dominos as a part time 2nd job as a delivery driver.
They actually pay 70p per delivery in my area rather than the £1.50 quoted here. The car is insured by Dominos though it's the lowest level insurance available and covers for the period of time that the car is used for delivering pizzas.
Pay for most people is minimum wage which is £6.31 per hour before tax and ni deductions.
The biggest issue is the variable hours per week. For example last week I worked 21 hours in addition to my normal job, this week it's 10 hours and I have no choice over what's available.
It's not a bad company to work for but if you were unemployed most of the job opportunities wouldn't give sufficient income to pay the bills.
It's easy to say there's 1000 vacancies which on the face of it sounds good. But 1000 vacancies averaging say 12 hours per week well that's not such an attractive headline is it. And while it's easy to say that if you were unemployed you'd jump at the chance to work there rather than sign on, if your unlucky enough to become unemployed you may find that when you get your calculator out you may not be able to afford to. |
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By *ach3Man
over a year ago
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else.
Some of them live in conditions that people here would not dream of.
Sometimes 12 people sharing a 3 bedroom house and split all the bills. Very common in London people will make sacrifices for a better life."
In the construction industry it is common to travel across the contry staying in b&b's for a week at a time to complete a project ( I've done it) but its not a way I would want to live full time - however and most importantly all my money is being reinvested in this country in respect of my accomodation, food, clothing and recreation.
Don't get me wrong am all for a freedomof movement, but charity begins at home - we should be looking after our own first and anything left can be up for grabs.
Half of the problems here in the uk would be sorted if everyone was working and being paid a worthy wage.
Given the mwga profits some of these companies are claiming, you could aford this and still make a profit!
Sorry just remembered this is a swingers site shouldn't we be talking sex lol |
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By *ach3Man
over a year ago
Watford |
"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem
Actually I work for Dominos as a part time 2nd job as a delivery driver.
They actually pay 70p per delivery in my area rather than the £1.50 quoted here. The car is insured by Dominos though it's the lowest level insurance available and covers for the period of time that the car is used for delivering pizzas.
Pay for most people is minimum wage which is £6.31 per hour before tax and ni deductions.
The biggest issue is the variable hours per week. For example last week I worked 21 hours in addition to my normal job, this week it's 10 hours and I have no choice over what's available.
It's not a bad company to work for but if you were unemployed most of the job opportunities wouldn't give sufficient income to pay the bills.
It's easy to say there's 1000 vacancies which on the face of it sounds good. But 1000 vacancies averaging say 12 hours per week well that's not such an attractive headline is it. And while it's easy to say that if you were unemployed you'd jump at the chance to work there rather than sign on, if your unlucky enough to become unemployed you may find that when you get your calculator out you may not be able to afford to. "
From a person who knows I guess, and if your having to take this as a 2 nd job -then id hate to think what your main job pays
However it can't all be about work, work is about bettering yourself and enjoying a better quality of life, spending time wirh your partner and yr kids if you have them - not working the whole of yr waking life! |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem
Actually I work for Dominos as a part time 2nd job as a delivery driver.
They actually pay 70p per delivery in my area rather than the £1.50 quoted here. The car is insured by Dominos though it's the lowest level insurance available and covers for the period of time that the car is used for delivering pizzas.
Pay for most people is minimum wage which is £6.31 per hour before tax and ni deductions.
The biggest issue is the variable hours per week. For example last week I worked 21 hours in addition to my normal job, this week it's 10 hours and I have no choice over what's available.
It's not a bad company to work for but if you were unemployed most of the job opportunities wouldn't give sufficient income to pay the bills.
It's easy to say there's 1000 vacancies which on the face of it sounds good. But 1000 vacancies averaging say 12 hours per week well that's not such an attractive headline is it. And while it's easy to say that if you were unemployed you'd jump at the chance to work there rather than sign on, if your unlucky enough to become unemployed you may find that when you get your calculator out you may not be able to afford to.
From a person who knows I guess, and if your having to take this as a 2 nd job -then id hate to think what your main job pays
However it can't all be about work, work is about bettering yourself and enjoying a better quality of life, spending time wirh your partner and yr kids if you have them - not working the whole of yr waking life!"
Exactly but a lot are trapped in the system and have to take 2nd jobs.
Which is a shame because that 2nd job you are taking from someone unemployed.
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"Domino's Pizza boss says that he can't fill 1000 jobs since immigration rules were tightened. Minister says that he should pay staff more money.
Who do you think is right? Would you pay more for your pizzas to ensure that UK workers are employed? "
Market forces, labor availability is the same for all be it domino's Pizza hut etc so if labor costs go up for one they will most likely for all which seems fair enough and if people have to pay more they can pay or make their own after all its only the same as the 10,001 other businesses out there. |
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"I hope anyone who is watching this thread and is in a position of paying people a minimum wage is taking note that paying minimum wage is a cop out!
You should be looking after yr staff and ensuring that they get some benefit from making you money.
As for imigrants accepting the minimum wage and still living in the uk - they are probably house sharing and living with 3 or 4 people in a room. Short term that may be fine (and something that employers take advantage of) but ts not a way to live if you want to marry and have kids.
We need to look after our own and make Britian great again - paying British workets a proper wage that they will re-invest in Britian (not take out the country) That's my view anyway "
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By *ovelybumCouple
over a year ago
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"They only made 49.7 million last financial year
God must be awful not to know where the next Lear jet is coming from.
Lear Jets are about £10m quid!
Why do people never seem to understand that companies like Dominos are BUSINESSES! The aim of being in business is to make profits!
If they're only struggling for staff as there's a lack of immigrant workers (who I'm sure don't commute from eastern Europe or wherever, and have to cover the same accommodation, food and living costs as UK residents!) then I find it far more shocking that the UK unemployed don't want a job than a business making money! "
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By (user no longer on site)
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No job should be below anyone. It should be seen as an oppotunity
look at before benefits.. people paid and lived how they coukd afford. Not expect the luxuries we class as basic needs now a days |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem
Actually I work for Dominos as a part time 2nd job as a delivery driver.
They actually pay 70p per delivery in my area rather than the £1.50 quoted here. The car is insured by Dominos though it's the lowest level insurance available and covers for the period of time that the car is used for delivering pizzas.
Pay for most people is minimum wage which is £6.31 per hour before tax and ni deductions.
The biggest issue is the variable hours per week. For example last week I worked 21 hours in addition to my normal job, this week it's 10 hours and I have no choice over what's available.
It's not a bad company to work for but if you were unemployed most of the job opportunities wouldn't give sufficient income to pay the bills.
It's easy to say there's 1000 vacancies which on the face of it sounds good. But 1000 vacancies averaging say 12 hours per week well that's not such an attractive headline is it. And while it's easy to say that if you were unemployed you'd jump at the chance to work there rather than sign on, if your unlucky enough to become unemployed you may find that when you get your calculator out you may not be able to afford to.
From a person who knows I guess, and if your having to take this as a 2 nd job -then id hate to think what your main job pays
However it can't all be about work, work is about bettering yourself and enjoying a better quality of life, spending time wirh your partner and yr kids if you have them - not working the whole of yr waking life!
Exactly but a lot are trapped in the system and have to take 2nd jobs.
Which is a shame because that 2nd job you are taking from someone unemployed.
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If that unemployed person was that bothered there wouldn't be a 2nd job for people to take.
Some people do see things as beneath them. I watched a programme once where people stood outside a job centre and offered people leaving a job picking in a field. Do you know what the English people said?? 'nah I ain't doing that, give it to the polish' and do you know what the polish took it!! |
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I worked for dominos as a second job. The money was ok £5.50 p/hr. £1 for each delivery made. Insurance was covered by them on third party only basis.
I got tips on top. For doing 10 hours a week with tips my monthly take home was around 350. Bearing in mind I was taxed at 20% on all earnings due to second job.
Some of the guys who worked there did long hours, but earnt good money to set them up for better things in life.
I'm afraid to say you get out of life what you put into it. Taking what is perceived as a low paid job can get you on the ladder to success. |
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"I hope anyone who is watching this thread and is in a position of paying people a minimum wage is taking note that paying minimum wage is a cop out!
You should be looking after yr staff and ensuring that they get some benefit from making you money.
As for imigrants accepting the minimum wage and still living in the uk - they are probably house sharing and living with 3 or 4 people in a room. Short term that may be fine (and something that employers take advantage of) but ts not a way to live if you want to marry and have kids.
We need to look after our own and make Britian great again - paying British workets a proper wage that they will re-invest in Britian (not take out the country) That's my view anyway "
Honourable sentiments.
However the era of British history where greatness was achieved was one with horrendous work conditions where people toiled their hearts out, no minimum wage, benefits or Health service.
The era that coincided with Britain's decline was characterised by strikes for better pay, rising social care provision and increasing debt to pay for it all. Real work was outsourced to competitive countries where people were ready to work hard for very little.
Now, this isn't a cause-effect statement, just an observation.
What country can we look at that pays better wages, has good social care and makes economic advances?
You might say Germany, but they actually pay much of their population quite poorly. However as a whole, they work fewer hours than uk workers but 'produce' more. Could this be something to learn from? A very interesting documentary a month or so ago was 'make me a German'. Would recommend it.
I'm not sure whether paying workers more will improve the economy. There are no easy answers, but I don't see how you can create wealth by increasing the cost of running a business. Please point me in the direction of any evidence that suggests otherwise! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Domino's Pizza boss says that he can't fill 1000 jobs since immigration rules were tightened. Minister says that he should pay staff more money.
Who do you think is right? Would you pay more for your pizzas to ensure that UK workers are employed? "
No body what's to pay more , but our immigration rules must be tightened up very soon . |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"I hope anyone who is watching this thread and is in a position of paying people a minimum wage is taking note that paying minimum wage is a cop out!
You should be looking after yr staff and ensuring that they get some benefit from making you money.
As for imigrants accepting the minimum wage and still living in the uk - they are probably house sharing and living with 3 or 4 people in a room. Short term that may be fine (and something that employers take advantage of) but ts not a way to live if you want to marry and have kids.
We need to look after our own and make Britian great again - paying British workets a proper wage that they will re-invest in Britian (not take out the country) That's my view anyway
Honourable sentiments.
However the era of British history where greatness was achieved was one with horrendous work conditions where people toiled their hearts out, no minimum wage, benefits or Health service.
The era that coincided with Britain's decline was characterised by strikes for better pay, rising social care provision and increasing debt to pay for it all. Real work was outsourced to competitive countries where people were ready to work hard for very little.
Now, this isn't a cause-effect statement, just an observation.
What country can we look at that pays better wages, has good social care and makes economic advances?
You might say Germany, but they actually pay much of their population quite poorly. However as a whole, they work fewer hours than uk workers but 'produce' more. Could this be something to learn from? A very interesting documentary a month or so ago was 'make me a German'. Would recommend it.
I'm not sure whether paying workers more will improve the economy. There are no easy answers, but I don't see how you can create wealth by increasing the cost of running a business. Please point me in the direction of any evidence that suggests otherwise! "
The difference with Germany is that living costs are much less - their rent for example often includes utilities - I know as, until recently, I had family living there. As for evidence that increasing wealth by increasing business costs - I cannot say but I know one thing - the lower the wages the greater the indcidence of poverty - and that IS provable. It is happening now and it is very real. Many people now who resort to food banks and charity are actually IN WORK! That means that businesses are being subsidised by charity and benefits to make up the shortfall as they simply do not pay enough for people to live on. |
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"Domino's Pizza boss says that he can't fill 1000 jobs since immigration rules were tightened. Minister says that he should pay staff more money.
Who do you think is right? Would you pay more for your pizzas to ensure that UK workers are employed? "
I find them over-priced anyway so never use them |
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else."
Not pay taxes ??? |
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"The difference with Germany is that living costs are much less - their rent for example often includes utilities - I know as, until recently, I had family living there. As for evidence that increasing wealth by increasing business costs - I cannot say but I know one thing - the lower the wages the greater the indcidence of poverty - and that IS provable. It is happening now and it is very real. Many people now who resort to food banks and charity are actually IN WORK! That means that businesses are being subsidised by charity and benefits to make up the shortfall as they simply do not pay enough for people to live on."
I agree there are other variables to consider when looking at pay in other countries e.g. Germany. It doesn't however account for the difference in productivity in my opinion.
Regarding the food banks comment I don't think it is a very clear statistic to read in to. It is possible that families looking to make savings on their food bills are relying on food banks so they can fund other expenses. I recall reading in to this and noting that property owners with two cars dipped in to food banks.
Somehow I think that a proportion of people using food banks are simply living beyond their means, as are many people in this country, not to say there are many people who work hard but come home with nothing. |
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else.
Not pay taxes ???"
I thought taxes were deducted from your pay packet unless you were self-employed. I don't see how they can dodge VAT though  |
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else.
Not pay taxes ???
I thought taxes were deducted from your pay packet unless you were self-employed. I don't see how they can dodge VAT though "
Ooh you're a bit naïve aren't you ? |
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else.
Not pay taxes ???
I thought taxes were deducted from your pay packet unless you were self-employed. I don't see how they can dodge VAT though
Ooh you're a bit naïve aren't you ?"
Possibly 
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else.
Not pay taxes ???"
Is it only immigrants that do this then? |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"The difference with Germany is that living costs are much less - their rent for example often includes utilities - I know as, until recently, I had family living there. As for evidence that increasing wealth by increasing business costs - I cannot say but I know one thing - the lower the wages the greater the indcidence of poverty - and that IS provable. It is happening now and it is very real. Many people now who resort to food banks and charity are actually IN WORK! That means that businesses are being subsidised by charity and benefits to make up the shortfall as they simply do not pay enough for people to live on.
I agree there are other variables to consider when looking at pay in other countries e.g. Germany. It doesn't however account for the difference in productivity in my opinion.
Regarding the food banks comment I don't think it is a very clear statistic to read in to. It is possible that families looking to make savings on their food bills are relying on food banks so they can fund other expenses. I recall reading in to this and noting that property owners with two cars dipped in to food banks.
Somehow I think that a proportion of people using food banks are simply living beyond their means, as are many people in this country, not to say there are many people who work hard but come home with nothing."
Don't know where you read that about food banks but in order to use them you have to prove hardship and be referred by a relevant authority - either the local council or benefits office. With many food banks you can only resort to them around 3 times as they are under such demand.
As for German productivity - well, the approach to work is different there. You are there to work and nothing else - no socialising, no chit-chat, no sneaky looks at Facebook, etc. And since they get a lot more free time they are less inclined to do so. Forcing people to work the hours we expect in this country is illogical. It does not make people more productive - it makes them less productive. Throw into that combination low pay which is impossible to live on then why would anyone take pride in any job like that? Why would they feel the necessity to do the best for a company which treats them like shit? |
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These businesses want it all their way and want it NOW!!! and you wonder why people don't trust and love our millionaire govnt. and if these companies don't get what they want, they are like a child (toys out the pram). when will people realise our govornment don't care about us they only care about the businesses and money |
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why should they pay more and why should they cut their prices when customers are stupid enough to keep ordering from them time and time again? Ultimately it is all about choice, people can choose to work there and people can choose to buy their products. At the point at which there are not enough people buying or applying they will change. It is called a market economy. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"why should they pay more and why should they cut their prices when customers are stupid enough to keep ordering from them time and time again? Ultimately it is all about choice, people can choose to work there and people can choose to buy their products. At the point at which there are not enough people buying or applying they will change. It is called a market economy."
Which is precisely the point I made earlier. People are clearly making the choice not to work there - market forces. So that sends a message to employers - you want labour? Pay for it! |
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I don't understand minimum wage. If it was a valid amount why does it need to be topped up with benefits? I've worked full time on min wage and yet still had and needed numerous topups like hb, ctb, tax credits... What's the point in setting a min wage you can't live off? |
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"why should they pay more and why should they cut their prices when customers are stupid enough to keep ordering from them time and time again? Ultimately it is all about choice, people can choose to work there and people can choose to buy their products. At the point at which there are not enough people buying or applying they will change. It is called a market economy.
Which is precisely the point I made earlier. People are clearly making the choice not to work there - market forces. So that sends a message to employers - you want labour? Pay for it!"
I think we are on the same page! The market will decide, not politicians or us lot moaning! |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem
Actually I work for Dominos as a part time 2nd job as a delivery driver.
They actually pay 70p per delivery in my area rather than the £1.50 quoted here. The car is insured by Dominos though it's the lowest level insurance available and covers for the period of time that the car is used for delivering pizzas.
Pay for most people is minimum wage which is £6.31 per hour before tax and ni deductions.
The biggest issue is the variable hours per week. For example last week I worked 21 hours in addition to my normal job, this week it's 10 hours and I have no choice over what's available.
It's not a bad company to work for but if you were unemployed most of the job opportunities wouldn't give sufficient income to pay the bills.
It's easy to say there's 1000 vacancies which on the face of it sounds good. But 1000 vacancies averaging say 12 hours per week well that's not such an attractive headline is it. And while it's easy to say that if you were unemployed you'd jump at the chance to work there rather than sign on, if your unlucky enough to become unemployed you may find that when you get your calculator out you may not be able to afford to. "
70p a delivery! In your own car? Mate, you are paying to work there. |
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Only once had a dominos pizza. Took it back to the shop and asked the manager to taste it. He took the pizza off us. After a few minutes of exchanging comments he reluctantly returned our money. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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People should be able to earn at least a living wage.
With the cost of living having risen, and continuing to rise, at a rate vastly in excess of that of the increase in the wages/salaries of most people, the standard of living of the majority has fallen alarmingly.
People generally want to work to better themselves and their lot, not to slave to struggle more, and have less, year on year as the rich get richer.
Of course many people don't feel motivated to work.
Companies need to be less greedy and pay people enough to actually live on, no matter if immigrants are willing to do it for less.
Companies need to be able to keep going, or jobs are lost. However, there is a point where humanitarian considerations should be put ahead of increasing profits. This would increase morale and benefit the company further. The big picture always includes factors not shown by the bottom line in the accountants ledgers.
No, I wouldn't pay more for Domino's pizza. It's ridiculously over-priced as it is. Plenty of other companies manage to make and deliver pizza for far, far lower prices. Most can deliver it unsquashed too. |
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"Fair enough that it's difficult to live off the minimum wage so how does a newly arrived immigrants manage? Their cost of living is similar to everyone else.
Not pay taxes ???
Is it only immigrants that do this then? "
Ha ha no. What about comedians ??? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I believe I am correct in saying that the majority of claimants of housing benefit work but can't make enough to live on.
That is a perfect example of a large amount of public money being spent when it should not need to be, largely to further and support corporate greed.
Now, who are these business executives that are benefitting financially from public money shoring up wages and salaries? Hmm. Ex-politicians, friends and peers of politicians, donors of large amounts of money to party funds...
It also makes an absolute bloody mockery of our government insisting that all benefit claimants are "scroungers" and "skivers" who don't want to work rather than "strivers". |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I believe I am correct in saying that the majority of claimants of housing benefit work but can't make enough to live on.
That is a perfect example of a large amount of public money being spent when it should not need to be, largely to further and support corporate greed.
Now, who are these business executives that are benefitting financially from public money shoring up wages and salaries? Hmm. Ex-politicians, friends and peers of politicians, donors of large amounts of money to party funds...
It also makes an absolute bloody mockery of our government insisting that all benefit claimants are "scroungers" and "skivers" who don't want to work rather than "strivers"."
Could not agree more. Amazon are a good example, and they don't even pay tax so how are they contributing to this country? We are forgetting in this country that we are a SOCIETY not simply a market. |
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I don't eat Dominoes pizza but the fault isn't at the door of any one organisation. The blame is fully at the feet of society that encouraged people to leave school with nil qualifications because the state will provide for them. That you don't need to take responsibility for your actions because the soft liberal society will pick up the tab. Ergo why you have people unwilling to work because the wage isn't high enough, but their education and skill levels aren't high enough to warrant the pay they want.
If you're on benefits and take a shit job, you lose your benefits and your wage is less than your benefits, so sadly you can understand why a lot if people won't work!
There are lots if ways to solve the problems but the patient and the bleeding heart liberals won't be able to stomach, so the patient will never get better!
Time to emigrate!! |
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The government report into the living wage,says that it should be £8 odd an hours in the south an £7 odd in the north don't know why the differents but there is.So why tell me is the minimum what it is. |
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Any company paying someone 70p a delivery should be boycotted. It would seem that Dominos are having trouble getting staff, good.
The problem is that there are so many people that are prepared to pay to go to work. Any industry that attracts 'owner drivers' suffers from this problem, so many think that while the wheels are turning they are earning money and by the time they find out the truth they are too late. Unfortunately there are always newbies to take their places. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"The blame is fully at the feet of society that encouraged people to leave school with nil qualifications because the state will provide for them."
I don't believe society, or indeed anyone (with the exception maybe of a few individuals), has ever encouraged this.
In fact, it's required that young people remain in education until 16 (and now 18?) and this is funded with public money.
How this is society encouraging young people to remain uneducated and unqualified I am not sure.
It's happening, I know, but the failings of and problems with our education system is a whole other discussion. It's not a result of society encouraging it. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"There are lots if ways to solve the problems but the patient and the bleeding heart liberals won't be able to stomach, so the patient will never get better!"
I think the bleeding heart liberals would be entirely happy to see companies making lower profits and cutting the huge salaries and bonuses of executives in order to pay staff a living salary.
I also can't see them objecting to people being offered help and support to obtain new skills and qualifications to give them more opportunities in terms of employment. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"The government report into the living wage,says that it should be £8 odd an hours in the south an £7 odd in the north don't know why the differents but there is.So why tell me is the minimum what it is."
what they are talking about is the minimum living wage.. which is done by an independent organisation, the Joesph Rowntree Foundation, they say that to live outside of poverty, the living wage should be £7.45 for the uk, £8.45 for those living in London (as it is more expensive to live there) |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Any company paying someone 70p a delivery should be boycotted. It would seem that Dominos are having trouble getting staff, good.
The problem is that there are so many people that are prepared to pay to go to work. Any industry that attracts 'owner drivers' suffers from this problem, so many think that while the wheels are turning they are earning money and by the time they find out the truth they are too late. Unfortunately there are always newbies to take their places."
you have misunderstood slightly.... it is minimum wage, on top of that around here it 85p per delivery, plus tips....
I do 10-12 hours for them at the weekends (fri,sat,sun) and they are busy enough where we can take out 2 deliveries at a time in the local area
as takeaway delivery driving goes... they actually dont pay that badly.... next time you order something thru the internet like "just eat" or "hungry house" ask the business what kind of cut companies like that are taking... you'd be surprised.... |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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you have misunderstood slightly.... it is minimum wage, on top of that around here it 85p per delivery, plus tips....
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Can I ask how the tips are holding up these days?
Recession-proof or feeling the pinch? |
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"Just curious how many people on this thread are actually a business owners who are paying or willing to pay more than a minimum wage "
I run my own business and pay starts at £8 per hour and if they are very good cleaners I pay £9 as I want to retain my staff. Also give them weeks wages bonus at xams. They don't earn loads some only do 10hours a weeks. I have got a girl now who is just fantastic I'm contributing towards driving lessons and her English college as I want her to work full time for me as a supervisor. I'm very patriotic and proud to be English but I can not find any English staff what so ever. I've tried job centre and newsagent windows. The job centre ones that are made to attend interviews just have no work ethic what so ever. Or they do come and are able to string together I reasonably coherent sentence , I give them a job and they never turn up for work. |
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"The blame is fully at the feet of society that encouraged people to leave school with nil qualifications because the state will provide for them.
I don't believe society, or indeed anyone (with the exception maybe of a few individuals), has ever encouraged this.
In fact, it's required that young people remain in education until 16 (and now 18?) and this is funded with public money.
How this is society encouraging young people to remain uneducated and unqualified I am not sure.
It's happening, I know, but the failings of and problems with our education system is a whole other discussion. It's not a result of society encouraging it."
And what a load of shite that us, it's all about manipulating figures and the fact that the NEET figures have soared. So if you're not in employment or training you must remain in education. This is not functional education, could be a level one health and safety which is not worth the paper it's written on! It's all about figure manipulation, no government is willing to make the real investments required.
Because these investments need to be made in every fibre of society, morally and culturally, only then will you receive a long term boost in education standards. You can't drive the teachers harder when you have parents with poor literacy and numeracy skills who can't comprehend the homework brought by their 11yr olds.
As for society not encouraging people to not bother? Really?? Look around you, look at the simple facts that a single parent family on benefits receives more in benefits, rebates, etc, than one on minimum wage or even a senior private in the army??
So I will re-iterate, our society discourages people to work because their low skills and education will not earn them the money that benefits pay them.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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you have misunderstood slightly.... it is minimum wage, on top of that around here it 85p per delivery, plus tips....
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Can I ask how the tips are holding up these days?
Recession-proof or feeling the pinch?"
it depends.. funny enough I personally find those who are paying in cash will tend to tip better than those who have paid by card... although the card orders tend to be for larger amounts...
I am just grateful for any tips to be honest.. I think everyone is feeling the pinch |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"As for society not encouraging people to not bother? Really?? Look around you, look at the simple facts that a single parent family on benefits receives more in benefits, rebates, etc, than one on minimum wage or even a senior private in the army??"
That's government policy, not society.
And the problem is that wages are too low, not that benefits are too high. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Minimum wage is an excuse to pay low wages, nobody should be on minimum wage.
It won't stop until enough people stop using Domino (and all the other rip off firms).
so question is like with poundland... people vote with their feet... how many people would you then put out of a job....
some people are just too proud and too choosey... they would rather live on benefits than get minimum wage....
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I honestly can't blame a lot of them when it's impossible to live on minimum wage, and a bit easier on benefits. |
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"As for society not encouraging people to not bother? Really?? Look around you, look at the simple facts that a single parent family on benefits receives more in benefits, rebates, etc, than one on minimum wage or even a senior private in the army??
That's government policy, not society.
And the problem is that wages are too low, not that benefits are too high."
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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you have misunderstood slightly.... it is minimum wage, on top of that around here it 85p per delivery, plus tips....
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Can I ask how the tips are holding up these days?
Recession-proof or feeling the pinch?
it depends.. funny enough I personally find those who are paying in cash will tend to tip better than those who have paid by card... although the card orders tend to be for larger amounts...
I am just grateful for any tips to be honest.. I think everyone is feeling the pinch"
Ta. Maybe there's a belief tips by card never get to the delivery guy whilst handing over cash will. |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
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"Just curious how many people on this thread are actually a business owners who are paying or willing to pay more than a minimum wage "
When I employed people I paid more than the minimum wage you just have to work out costings etc & a profit that your happy to make without ripping people off customer / employee
I know that a lot of immigrants register as self employed so they pay less tax & Ni
So theoretically they are not paying into the system as when they have to submit their accounts they just go home
Which results in no tax or NI being paid so generally they do not contribute to our society ! |
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I have read all the comments and yes at one point I felt the same as you all. I am a trained chef and manager and worked 23 years in the catering trade before that I was a hairdresser and in both jobs I spent a long time on my feet and usually worked two jobs to get by, now I have fibromyalgia, sever vertigo and depression, I would give anything to get back to work but can't. I have five out if seven days I am ill and some times bed ridden. I have applied for these minimum wage jobs and been turned down because I have more experience than the managers interviewing me. I took a job in Feburary and worked for 12 weeks doing 50-60 hours a week and ended up having to give it up as I collapsed and set my illness right back to square one.
My husband list his job in April and daily applies for jobs and daily gets turned down, we are getting benefits and for a family if four we get £200 a week to live off this has to pay our heating, electric and good and clothes etc. our heating and electric is £45 a week and with the rest if the bills we have £100 to get food and other stuff. My family keeps giving us handouts and food parcels.
If we could get jobs we would take them but none get offered.
I have worked everyday from I was 16 until I became ill four years ago and have had a series of part time jobs over that time period.
Don't always blame the unemployed sometimes it is not their faults. |
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Here in the US, it was calculated that if McDonalds raised the price of the Big Mac 65 cents that they could pay employees $10 an hour rather than $7.25 an hour. Will McDonalds do it, no.
When people have more money to spend, the majority will spend it. That would go a long way toward stimulating the economy's of all our country's . |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Here in the US, it was calculated that if McDonalds raised the price of the Big Mac 65 cents that they could pay employees $10 an hour rather than $7.25 an hour. Will McDonalds do it, no.
When people have more money to spend, the majority will spend it. That would go a long way toward stimulating the economy's of all our country's . "
I don't know much about US personal tax policy but I suspect it'd raise quite a few tax dollars too.
Here in UK, people are spending rather than saving cos interest rates are crap for savers. There's anecdotal evidence that much of that spending is the proceeds of PPI claims.
That, in turn, can only push up insurance premiums. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"But spen their money on what, can't see the point of just spending money for no reason other than interest is crap
Drink? Fitba'? Lottery?
Some people seem to NEED to spend money."
What's wrong with that? Are we meant to survive or live? |
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"But spen their money on what, can't see the point of just spending money for no reason other than interest is crap
Drink? Fitba'? Lottery?
Some people seem to NEED to spend money.
What's wrong with that? Are we meant to survive or live? "
Think you picked that up wrong, I was answering the Q where he said ppl were spending money because interest is crap, so I take it he ment savings , so I said spend it on what and the rest you know |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problem"
i done delivering for years and only stopped a few years ago. Not once did it cost me anymore to have the extra cover to use my car. Plus the £1.50 per delivery (normally varies according to distance) is on top of the minimum wage that you recieve |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problemi done delivering for years and only stopped a few years ago. Not once did it cost me anymore to have the extra cover to use my car. Plus the £1.50 per delivery (normally varies according to distance) is on top of the minimum wage that you recieve "
But when you get ware and tear on the tyres every few months. Rather than a couple of years. Is it worth it? |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problemi done delivering for years and only stopped a few years ago. Not once did it cost me anymore to have the extra cover to use my car. Plus the £1.50 per delivery (normally varies according to distance) is on top of the minimum wage that you recieve
But when you get ware and tear on the tyres every few months. Rather than a couple of years. Is it worth it? "
Yes it is worth it. I done it for years and worked 5 nights a week 5-12 and come away with a lot more than minimum wage even after fuel has come off. I would average 35 deliverys a night and use about £10 in petrol. If you go through tyres every couple of months your either wheel spinning the car all the way to the delivery or there is something wrong with your car. The wear and tear on a car is no different to what most people would do travelling to and from a place of work. I would only average 50 miles a night driving.
Plus on the insurance side of things most large food company's have insurance that you can be added on to for free. |
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"Does the rent and council tax come out of that £200 a week or do you get housing benefit and council tax benefit on top?"
Rent is paid by housing exec, but house and life insurance, car insurance, telephone and internet all have to come out of it, plus clothing my boys are in their second pair of school shoes already my eldest one had three pairs last year because his feet kept growing.
Because of my condition if have to do my shopping online as going out tires me out a lot.
I have paid a lot into the system and now when I need it I am entitled to very little.
If I had to pay my rent I would have £20 a week to feed the four of us with |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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I think a lot of people live comfortable lives in which they have no conception of what it is like to be in poverty - to not be able to work for whatever reason, or to be in such low paid employment that making ends meet is impossible without some help or support.
Five years ago we did not have this boom in pay day lenders nor did we have such an increase in people resorting to food banks.
To blame the poor for being poor is typical of some quarters of the media and has been the case throughout history.
The usual arguments about 'skivers', 'scroungers' etc are wheeled out as if that can be the only reason. EVERYONE knows people who are 'feckless shirkers' so that must be the case for ALL those struggling. Which is a specious argument at best and stops people really questioning what is actually happening in this country.
It could happen to anyone - absolutely anyone. My daughter has been made redundant twice by the age of 31. She has been fortunate - others have not. Many of the people who lost jobs along with her are still unemployed and may well be for some time. Had she been left unemployed and was in her previous flat the landlord would most likely have thrown her out. She would have been in dire straits.
It happens people - it really does. Constantly going on about how people are 'idle' and 'unwilling' to work just ignores the broader issues.
Lots of these big companies are making plenty in profits but are simply not paying a living wage. It is an absolute disgrace. Almost as insulting as blaming people for not being able to cope on the laughable 'minimum' wage.
The problem in this country at the moment, as far as I see it, is a total lack of compassion for our fellow humans.
Merry Christmas indeed. |
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"I think a lot of people live comfortable lives in which they have no conception of what it is like to be in poverty - to not be able to work for whatever reason, or to be in such low paid employment that making ends meet is impossible without some help or support.
Five years ago we did not have this boom in pay day lenders nor did we have such an increase in people resorting to food banks.
To blame the poor for being poor is typical of some quarters of the media and has been the case throughout history.
The usual arguments about 'skivers', 'scroungers' etc are wheeled out as if that can be the only reason. EVERYONE knows people who are 'feckless shirkers' so that must be the case for ALL those struggling. Which is a specious argument at best and stops people really questioning what is actually happening in this country.
It could happen to anyone - absolutely anyone. My daughter has been made redundant twice by the age of 31. She has been fortunate - others have not. Many of the people who lost jobs along with her are still unemployed and may well be for some time. Had she been left unemployed and was in her previous flat the landlord would most likely have thrown her out. She would have been in dire straits.
It happens people - it really does. Constantly going on about how people are 'idle' and 'unwilling' to work just ignores the broader issues.
Lots of these big companies are making plenty in profits but are simply not paying a living wage. It is an absolute disgrace. Almost as insulting as blaming people for not being able to cope on the laughable 'minimum' wage.
The problem in this country at the moment, as far as I see it, is a total lack of compassion for our fellow humans.
Merry Christmas indeed."
Think you forgot to mention these companies have jumped on the band wagon when it comes to asking staff to take a pay cut, to help the company out, for eg my friend took a 10% pay cut over a year ago and now this Christmas he has been giving a cash bonus of 1k however after working out what he has lost through his pay cut this 1k bonus still falls short if what he has lost |
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"I think a lot of people live comfortable lives in which they have no conception of what it is like to be in poverty - to not be able to work for whatever reason, or to be in such low paid employment that making ends meet is impossible without some help or support.
Five years ago we did not have this boom in pay day lenders nor did we have such an increase in people resorting to food banks.
To blame the poor for being poor is typical of some quarters of the media and has been the case throughout history.
The usual arguments about 'skivers', 'scroungers' etc are wheeled out as if that can be the only reason. EVERYONE knows people who are 'feckless shirkers' so that must be the case for ALL those struggling. Which is a specious argument at best and stops people really questioning what is actually happening in this country.
It could happen to anyone - absolutely anyone. My daughter has been made redundant twice by the age of 31. She has been fortunate - others have not. Many of the people who lost jobs along with her are still unemployed and may well be for some time. Had she been left unemployed and was in her previous flat the landlord would most likely have thrown her out. She would have been in dire straits.
It happens people - it really does. Constantly going on about how people are 'idle' and 'unwilling' to work just ignores the broader issues.
Lots of these big companies are making plenty in profits but are simply not paying a living wage. It is an absolute disgrace. Almost as insulting as blaming people for not being able to cope on the laughable 'minimum' wage.
The problem in this country at the moment, as far as I see it, is a total lack of compassion for our fellow humans.
Merry Christmas indeed."
I love you and your big warm wonderful heart! X |
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"How many of you want to supply your own vehicle with all the extra business insurance to deliver pizzas for £1:50 per delivery.
Many young people cannot afford those overheads and cannot even get a start.
Dominos are all about maximising profits and cheap foreign labour is one way of doing it.
If they paid the proper rate, filling the vacancies would not be a problemi done delivering for years and only stopped a few years ago. Not once did it cost me anymore to have the extra cover to use my car. Plus the £1.50 per delivery (normally varies according to distance) is on top of the minimum wage that you recieve
But when you get ware and tear on the tyres every few months. Rather than a couple of years. Is it worth it?
Yes it is worth it. I done it for years and worked 5 nights a week 5-12 and come away with a lot more than minimum wage even after fuel has come off. I would average 35 deliverys a night and use about £10 in petrol. If you go through tyres every couple of months your either wheel spinning the car all the way to the delivery or there is something wrong with your car. The wear and tear on a car is no different to what most people would do travelling to and from a place of work. I would only average 50 miles a night driving.
Plus on the insurance side of things most large food company's have insurance that you can be added on to for free. "
This is what I mean about 'the wheels are turning so I must be earning'
If you are putting an extra 12k miles on your car (250 miles a week) then it has a cost for tyres, maintenance, oil, fuel, depreciation etc. At £1.50 a delivery you may be covering it, if that is paid as expenses and not taxed' but I really don't see how people are covering the costs at 85p. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Five years ago we did not have this boom in pay day lenders nor did we have such an increase in people resorting to food banks.
To blame the poor for being poor is typical of some quarters of the media and has been the case throughout history.
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Equally, five years ago, we didn't have the boom in bookmakers shop offering high payout coin in the slot machines.
Bookies profits have never been so good.
The poor, as a group, are an easy target because they tend to be voiceless but equally a lot tend not to vote. |
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Now I'm really annoyed......I work in a profession regularly said to be the best paid and having life-changing responsibilities, I have huge experience, I'm jolly good at what I do and I've landed a job at one of the best in Scotland THEN I get the contract- just over the minimum wage! The gardeners in my area get paid two and a half times more than I would be!!!!!!
I'm raging tbh. Pizzas? Bring it on. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Now I'm really annoyed......I work in a profession regularly said to be the best paid and having life-changing responsibilities, I have huge experience, I'm jolly good at what I do and I've landed a job at one of the best in Scotland THEN I get the contract- just over the minimum wage! The gardeners in my area get paid two and a half times more than I would be!!!!!!
I'm raging tbh. Pizzas? Bring it on. "
Didn't you know the wage before you applied for the job? |
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No. I had been working for them before in a freelance capacity and they offered me the contract during that time. Now, I'm two days in to the 'employed' status. |
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My point is, though, it's not just the unemployed or the unskilled who have problems. It makes me seriously question why on earth I bothered getting the most difficult degree in the UK, only to be offered such poor working conditions. These companies are small, but turning over millions but without good quality people like myself, are without worth. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Good point. There are a number of factories near me. They pay minimum wage for a lot of their jobs. If they had no employees what would they be?
Businesses?
No, empty buildings of no real value. |
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By *ach3Man
over a year ago
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"I don't understand minimum wage. If it was a valid amount why does it need to be topped up with benefits? I've worked full time on min wage and yet still had and needed numerous topups like hb, ctb, tax credits... What's the point in setting a min wage you can't live off?"
Because there are businesses out there who will expect people to work for even less to maximise their profits!
If a business is doing well, then the staff should be sharing the rewards - the massive gaps in pay between top executives and say the receptionist is not right.
Whilst it is easy to say that you can let your feet do the talking, most people stay in poorly paid jobs because after all it is still a job.
As for employees needing to pay more to retain staff, its easier for them to employ foreign workers - so why would they!
As others have said - just don't buy from them or make sure you tip the delivery driver in cash  |
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