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"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard "Am grateful for the NHS, they dont all work hard though. | |||
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"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard "This. | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
Am grateful for the NHS, they dont all work hard though."Please share your great insightful knowledge with us...  | |||
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"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard "yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude. | |||
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"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. " i agree my sister works for them | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. " It isn't a free service, it as very expensive service, and remember the users pay for it, and for the wages, nothing in life is free!!! | |||
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"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. " except it's not free it's paid for just like everything else. Or are you saying you do those 13 hour shifts for no money? as an aside though "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope." Wouldn't that be wildly unethical of the staff involved as if there is no hope why in gods name are you prolonging the poor persons suffering? | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. " I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!! | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. " | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!" | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude.
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"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!" . You seem to know quite a lot from what I've seen in the forum. I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard " | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. except it's not free it's paid for just like everything else. Or are you saying you do those 13 hour shifts for no money? as an aside though "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope." Wouldn't that be wildly unethical of the staff involved as if there is no hope why in gods name are you prolonging the poor persons suffering?" Medical professionals are bound by a code of conduct which clearly states that they preserve life. Only once all avenues have been explored should a patient be allowed to pass. It's unethical to simply allow someone to die just 'because'. | |||
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"ersons suffering? Medical professionals are bound by a code of conduct which clearly states that they preserve life. Only once all avenues have been explored should a patient be allowed to pass. It's unethical to simply allow someone to die just 'because'." which would be the point where there's "no hope"? right? they're saying they proceed past that point. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!. You seem to know quite a lot from what I've seen in the forum. I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. " Maybe you should of been a doctor? | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. " | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. except it's not free it's paid for just like everything else. Or are you saying you do those 13 hour shifts for no money? as an aside though "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope." Wouldn't that be wildly unethical of the staff involved as if there is no hope why in gods name are you prolonging the poor persons suffering?" . I get paid for the job I do but to me it's not about money I do my job because I care!! And yes I do save a persons life even if there is little hope as I don't have the right to let them die. It's called a code of conduct, the only time we don't fight to save a life is if the person has a DNR set up. | |||
"ersons suffering? Medical professionals are bound by a code of conduct which clearly states that they preserve life. Only once all avenues have been explored should a patient be allowed to pass. It's unethical to simply allow someone to die just 'because'. which would be the point where there's "no hope"? right? they're saying they proceed past that point. " No she didn't, she said 'fighting to save lives' that could mean working hard to save someone injured in a car accident who has received injuries that could be fatal without emergency medical intervention. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!. You seem to know quite a lot from what I've seen in the forum. I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. Maybe you should of been a doctor?" . How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!. You seem to know quite a lot from what I've seen in the forum. I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. Maybe you should of been a doctor?. How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. " I guessed.  | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude.
"Gosh, for someone so young you always seem to be full of negativity and sarcasm about practically everything on these Forums! | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude.
Gosh, for someone so young you always seem to be full of negativity and sarcasm about practically everything on these Forums! "Young, but not stupid.  | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. except it's not free it's paid for just like everything else. Or are you saying you do those 13 hour shifts for no money? as an aside though "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope." Wouldn't that be wildly unethical of the staff involved as if there is no hope why in gods name are you prolonging the poor persons suffering?. I get paid for the job I do but to me it's not about money I do my job because I care!! And yes I do save a persons life even if there is little hope as I don't have the right to let them die. It's called a code of conduct, the only time we don't fight to save a life is if the person has a DNR set up. " But you said when there's no hope, so you're not saving that persons life, they're going to die regardless. i mean don't get me wrong i've seen nurses do as you describe and as you sit an watch them force vomit back down a woman's throat an into her lungs as they insist on continuing to ventilate with the bag you wonder whether her life's end would have been more or less miserable without the woman forcing the vomit in and out of her lungs while she drowns for the last 30 seconds of it, rather than just suffocating and letting the vomit dribble out while she dies. | |||
"We would be in the shit, if we didn't have the NHS, its hard enough for some people to pay their television license, never mind health insurance. The NHS is brilliant at point of need." couldn't agree more | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude.
Gosh, for someone so young you always seem to be full of negativity and sarcasm about practically everything on these Forums!
Young, but not stupid. "I never said he was stupid?? | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!" Which is exactly why a good proportion of the best A +E consultants in the country are currently working in Australia Be very careful what you wish for | |||
" No she didn't, she said 'fighting to save lives' that could mean working hard to save someone injured in a car accident who has received injuries that could be fatal without emergency medical intervention." no she said "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope" that "when there really is no hope" kinda changes the meaning somewhat. If your mechanic says "well we can | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. " you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. | |||
" No she didn't, she said 'fighting to save lives' that could mean working hard to save someone injured in a car accident who has received injuries that could be fatal without emergency medical intervention. no she said "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope" that "when there really is no hope" kinda changes the meaning somewhat. If your mechanic says "well we can " Ok, when there's no hope the fight is to make what little time someone has left bearable with as little pain/discomfort as possible. | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. " Be careful with that kind of talk bud. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. except it's not free it's paid for just like everything else. Or are you saying you do those 13 hour shifts for no money? as an aside though "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope." Wouldn't that be wildly unethical of the staff involved as if there is no hope why in gods name are you prolonging the poor persons suffering?. I get paid for the job I do but to me it's not about money I do my job because I care!! And yes I do save a persons life even if there is little hope as I don't have the right to let them die. It's called a code of conduct, the only time we don't fight to save a life is if the person has a DNR set up. But you said when there's no hope, so you're not saving that persons life, they're going to die regardless. i mean don't get me wrong i've seen nurses do as you describe and as you sit an watch them force vomit back down a woman's throat an into her lungs as they insist on continuing to ventilate with the bag you wonder whether her life's end would have been more or less miserable without the woman forcing the vomit in and out of her lungs while she drowns for the last 30 seconds of it, rather than just suffocating and letting the vomit dribble out while she dies." . If that's the case I suggest you make a formal complaint about what you have seen in the particular hospital. If you feel so strongly what they were doing was wrong it's your only option. But slagging off all NHS staff because of one incident you saw is dam right ridiculous. At work my job is if in that position to save a life. If it was a member of your family and nursing staff didn't fight to save them just let them die, how would that make you feel?? I'm sure you would if you could keep them alive. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!. You seem to know quite a lot from what I've seen in the forum. I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. " I respect and admire anyone who can care for and help others, I have been a carer for parents for 20 years, and caring is one of the hardest jobs there is. I wouldn't want to, or be able to care for strangers. It takes special qualities to do that, I can understand about not being able to have a tea break in the middle of resuscitating a patient, or half way through an operation, I doubt anyone becomes a nurse, or doctor for enjoyment, many, many reasons, but at the end of the day it is about earning a living, and making a difference. There are 100's of jobs in the commercial sector, where people are under pressure, and often miss tea breaks, lunch breaks and cant walk away form their job. As I say I admire anyone who choses nursing or medicine as a career, a well paid career, and a hard career. | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude.
Gosh, for someone so young you always seem to be full of negativity and sarcasm about practically everything on these Forums!
Young, but not stupid.
I never said he was stupid?? "No, you didnt say he was stupid, but he is more inteligent than some people who are a lot older.  | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. " You might want to talk to some of my consultants, they cares very deeply about their patients. As does my GP. In fact I would go as far to say that any doctor who doesn't care is someone I have no desires to go and see. | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude.
"i trust you go private then? | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. except it's not free it's paid for just like everything else. Or are you saying you do those 13 hour shifts for no money? as an aside though "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope." Wouldn't that be wildly unethical of the staff involved as if there is no hope why in gods name are you prolonging the poor persons suffering?. I get paid for the job I do but to me it's not about money I do my job because I care!! And yes I do save a persons life even if there is little hope as I don't have the right to let them die. It's called a code of conduct, the only time we don't fight to save a life is if the person has a DNR set up. But you said when there's no hope, so you're not saving that persons life, they're going to die regardless. i mean don't get me wrong i've seen nurses do as you describe and as you sit an watch them force vomit back down a woman's throat an into her lungs as they insist on continuing to ventilate with the bag you wonder whether her life's end would have been more or less miserable without the woman forcing the vomit in and out of her lungs while she drowns for the last 30 seconds of it, rather than just suffocating and letting the vomit dribble out while she dies.. If that's the case I suggest you make a formal complaint about what you have seen in the particular hospital. If you feel so strongly what they were doing was wrong it's your only option. But slagging off all NHS staff because of one incident you saw is dam right ridiculous. At work my job is if in that position to save a life. If it was a member of your family and nursing staff didn't fight to save them just let them die, how would that make you feel?? I'm sure you would if you could keep them alive. " nothing really to complain about in that instance. she was gonna die nothing was saving her, it's just when she started vomiting they had two choices, turn her over, let it drain by the time that happened shed be dead, or continue pumping and wait for her to die with a lung full of vomit. arguably there wouldn't even have been an appreciable diffidence in time of death. an i haven't slagged off all staff, i picked up on your comment of proceeding to continue treatment (usually invasive if it's at that stage) on a patient who you have agreed has no hope of survival. as for your last point depends on the situation, i'd personally be much happier dead than a living but perpetually suffering vegetable. but we're at the point now where wide spread, abuses, negligence, and deception/covering up of such is being exposed. It does not paint a happy picture and as long as we decide to maintain the veil that NHS staff are untouchable saints it will ALWAYS be that way. you need an honest an frank assessment off a institution and it's practices before you can improve them. | |||
"We should be gratful for our fantastic NHS and all those who work so hard
yeah just not those ones who let patients die of thirst/malnutrition due to abysmal care and attention, they don't deserve their paycheck let alone gratitude.
i trust you go private then?"No just have to get whats going i guess. | |||
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" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. " or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags. | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags." | |||
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" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags." . Why are you being so aggressive with your comments??? | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags.. Why are you being so aggressive with your comments???" He isnt being aggressive he is just saying what he thinks, only you dont agree with it.  | |||
"To all those moaning about the NHS, think about what it would be like without them. If you take regular medication, think about the costs you would have to pay. I know I certainly couldn't." you ARE paying for it though. interestingly you're also paying for them to give out homeopathic remedies to people too. | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags.. Why are you being so aggressive with your comments??? He isnt being aggressive he is just saying what he thinks, only you dont agree with it. ". Your assuming I don't agree I think he made some valid points. I do find however he's coming across aggressive and there really is no need for it. | |||
"To all those moaning about the NHS, think about what it would be like without them. If you take regular medication, think about the costs you would have to pay. I know I certainly couldn't. you ARE paying for it though. interestingly you're also paying for them to give out homeopathic remedies to people too." go be ill in the states and see how very little we are paying for it in comparison. People go round for years with conditions untreated because they cant afford it and their job doesnt offer them medical insurance. Operations are put on hold until the insurance companies give the go ahead. | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags.. Why are you being so aggressive with your comments??? He isnt being aggressive he is just saying what he thinks, only you dont agree with it. "he is being aggressive, its very evident. Perhaps you are so keen to be on the other side that you dont see it? | |||
"To all those moaning about the NHS, think about what it would be like without them. If you take regular medication, think about the costs you would have to pay. I know I certainly couldn't. you ARE paying for it though. interestingly you're also paying for them to give out homeopathic remedies to people too." Yes, I know, but I'm not paying the £250+ I would need for just one of my treatments. I have no problem with paying taxes for the NHS. | |||
"To all those moaning about the NHS, think about what it would be like without them. If you take regular medication, think about the costs you would have to pay. I know I certainly couldn't. you ARE paying for it though. interestingly you're also paying for them to give out homeopathic remedies to people too. go be ill in the states and see how very little we are paying for it in comparison. People go round for years with conditions untreated because they cant afford it and their job doesnt offer them medical insurance. Operations are put on hold until the insurance companies give the go ahead. " There is a woman in Philadelphia I know with Endometriosis like mine, she cannot get the treatment I have as she cannot afford insurance, she therefore cannot work, cannot walk without a stick and is in agony 24/7. Give me the NHS any day of the week! | |||
" go be ill in the states and see how very little we are paying for it in comparison. People go round for years with conditions untreated because they cant afford it and their job doesnt offer them medical insurance. Operations are put on hold until the insurance companies give the go ahead. " that's ok my employer provides healthcare in the US if they expect me to work there. also a fun fact the Americans also pay through taxation for their medical care, and it works out more per head than it does for patients in the uk, an then they pay again on top. Now this shows that the American system is woeful beyond belief, but if you look at the northern or continental EU countries the NHS often falls down providing less care for more money. despite some of the EU countries running systems that in reality are very similar to the US system. what this shows is that it's not so much how it's funded that makes the end result vary so much it's the administration practices and institutions that make the outcome. So you can point out here are worse systems but it doesn't make things better does it? great we haven't got the worst system, should be be happy with that or should we be looking to improve it, which we are trying but as long as it's held u pas a great sacred cow it cannot be changed so wont improve except for little slap dash approaches here and there with make the whole thing worse over time. | |||
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"I am sure everyone must realise there are good and bad eggs in every walk of life, so I very much doubt it is any different in the NHS. Surely even people who work for the NHS has seen this before now too " | |||
" Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags.. Why are you being so aggressive with your comments??? He isnt being aggressive he is just saying what he thinks, only you dont agree with it.
he is being aggressive, its very evident. Perhaps you are so keen to be on the other side that you dont see it?"Being told to watch what he was saying sounds threatening so I think he was very restrained in his answer. | |||
" go be ill in the states and see how very little we are paying for it in comparison. People go round for years with conditions untreated because they cant afford it and their job doesnt offer them medical insurance. Operations are put on hold until the insurance companies give the go ahead. that's ok my employer provides healthcare in the US if they expect me to work there. also a fun fact the Americans also pay through taxation for their medical care, and it works out more per head than it does for patients in the uk, an then they pay again on top. Now this shows that the American system is woeful beyond belief, but if you look at the northern or continental EU countries the NHS often falls down providing less care for more money. despite some of the EU countries running systems that in reality are very similar to the US system. what this shows is that it's not so much how it's funded that makes the end result vary so much it's the administration practices and institutions that make the outcome. So you can point out here are worse systems but it doesn't make things better does it? great we haven't got the worst system, should be be happy with that or should we be looking to improve it, which we are trying but as long as it's held u pas a great sacred cow it cannot be changed so wont improve except for little slap dash approaches here and there with make the whole thing worse over time. " I have to say I had the best medical care by the Americans.....even as a non US citizen my health care was covered thanks to the US army | |||
" Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags.. Why are you being so aggressive with your comments??? He isnt being aggressive he is just saying what he thinks, only you dont agree with it.
he is being aggressive, its very evident. Perhaps you are so keen to be on the other side that you dont see it?
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" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags.. Why are you being so aggressive with your comments??? He isnt being aggressive he is just saying what he thinks, only you dont agree with it.
he is being aggressive, its very evident. Perhaps you are so keen to be on the other side that you dont see it?"I've replied privately regarding my comment but I'm sure there's plenty of people on here that know why I said what I said, those that don't, read back through some of my other posts in other threads. | |||
" How do you know I'm not lol. I haven't said what job I do for the NHS. you said you do your job because you care, that means you're almost certainly not a doctor. Be careful with that kind of talk bud. or what, you'll hit me with your enraged E-penis? Christ I thought that one was an obvious enough it would need spectacularly huge sarcasm tags.. Why are you being so aggressive with your comments??? He isnt being aggressive he is just saying what he thinks, only you dont agree with it.
he is being aggressive, its very evident. Perhaps you are so keen to be on the other side that you dont see it?
I've replied privately regarding my comment but I'm sure there's plenty of people on here that know why I said what I said, those that don't, read back through some of my other posts in other threads." | |||
" I've replied privately regarding my comment but I'm sure there's plenty of people on here that know why I said what I said, those that don't, read back through some of my other posts in other threads." None of which is relevant. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!. You seem to know quite a lot from what I've seen in the forum. I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. I respect and admire anyone who can care for and help others, I have been a carer for parents for 20 years, and caring is one of the hardest jobs there is. I wouldn't want to, or be able to care for strangers. It takes special qualities to do that, I can understand about not being able to have a tea break in the middle of resuscitating a patient, or half way through an operation, I doubt anyone becomes a nurse, or doctor for enjoyment, many, many reasons, but at the end of the day it is about earning a living, and making a difference. There are 100's of jobs in the commercial sector, where people are under pressure, and often miss tea breaks, lunch breaks and cant walk away form their job. As I say I admire anyone who choses nursing or medicine as a career, a well paid career, and a hard career." If all the health care professionals did as you said what do you think would be left? The nhs relies on the good will of their staff and abuse this goodwill daily. Nurses often work without breaks and not just during a resus. | |||
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"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. I hear lots of NHS staff moaning about 13 hour shifts, poor pay, terrible conditions, BUT remember when they started in the career, they knew the wages and terms of service, they have a secure job, regular wages, and the respect of most people. If someone doesn't like their terms of employment, leave and stop moaning, get a better job!!!. You seem to know quite a lot from what I've seen in the forum. I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. I respect and admire anyone who can care for and help others, I have been a carer for parents for 20 years, and caring is one of the hardest jobs there is. I wouldn't want to, or be able to care for strangers. It takes special qualities to do that, I can understand about not being able to have a tea break in the middle of resuscitating a patient, or half way through an operation, I doubt anyone becomes a nurse, or doctor for enjoyment, many, many reasons, but at the end of the day it is about earning a living, and making a difference. There are 100's of jobs in the commercial sector, where people are under pressure, and often miss tea breaks, lunch breaks and cant walk away form their job. As I say I admire anyone who choses nursing or medicine as a career, a well paid career, and a hard career. If all the health care professionals did as you said what do you think would be left? The nhs relies on the good will of their staff and abuse this goodwill daily. Nurses often work without breaks and not just during a resus. " That is their choice, they know the terms and conditions before they start training, and they are rewarded for their work. | |||
" I've replied privately regarding my comment but I'm sure there's plenty of people on here that know why I said what I said, those that don't, read back through some of my other posts in other threads. None of which is relevant." | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. except it's not free it's paid for just like everything else. Or are you saying you do those 13 hour shifts for no money? as an aside though "Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope." Wouldn't that be wildly unethical of the staff involved as if there is no hope why in gods name are you prolonging the poor persons suffering? Medical professionals are bound by a code of conduct which clearly states that they preserve life. Only once all avenues have been explored should a patient be allowed to pass. It's unethical to simply allow someone to die just 'because'." no doctor or nurse has the right to play god. Everyone has the right to decide what and when something happens to them. As long as they're mentally sound of mind. I work for the nhs and recently I've had a major illness BUT the trust that treated me wasted £100,000's on treatment id refused to have. The surgeon decided he knew best. He was wrong. Causing prolonged illness major pain, multiple operations i wouldn't have needed,nearly killed me several times. All because he refused to listen to me. Even doctors higher than him have told me to go to the gmc and sue not for money but to protect the vulnerable patients he deals with. Nurses and doctors that truly have the calling are worth every penny and we need more of them. These kind of nurses and doctors put their carers on the line to protect me from a doctor with a god complex. | |||
" I have to say I had the best medical care by the Americans.....even as a non US citizen my health care was covered thanks to the US army " the care can be fantastic due to the money pumped into it, the main issue there is the equality of access to that care. | |||
"Aggressiveness wasn't relevant either!! " Exactly....maybe re read where it started and you may see it in a different light. But then again maybe not....either way, as the two people have dropped it maybe everyone should and let's get back to the debate | |||
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" I have to say I had the best medical care by the Americans.....even as a non US citizen my health care was covered thanks to the US army the care can be fantastic due to the money pumped into it, the main issue there is the equality of access to that care." I totally agree I knew a family that joined so they could get health care for their son....nicest people I've ever met and they said the army saved their life | |||
"Aggressiveness wasn't relevant either!! Exactly....maybe re read where it started and you may see it in a different light. But then again maybe not....either way, as the two people have dropped it maybe everyone should and let's get back to the debate " | |||
"The NHS saved my Childs life over twenty years ago.. and the recently saved my hubbys Spine and deteriorating health... hope we never lose the NHS.. no matter how much of a joke waiting at A&E has become !!! "A&E waiting times are only a joke because of the people who have become helpless and go there for something that could have waited to be dealt with by a GP...if its not an emergency dont go to the A&E department | |||
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"The NHS saved my Childs life over twenty years ago.. and the recently saved my hubbys Spine and deteriorating health... hope we never lose the NHS.. no matter how much of a joke waiting at A&E has become !!!
A&E waiting times are only a joke because of the people who have become helpless and go there for something that could have waited to be dealt with by a GP...if its not an emergency dont go to the A&E department ". Here here!!! | |||
" I have to say I had the best medical care by the Americans.....even as a non US citizen my health care was covered thanks to the US army the care can be fantastic due to the money pumped into it, the main issue there is the equality of access to that care. I totally agree I knew a family that joined so they could get health care for their son....nicest people I've ever met and they said the army saved their life " its al well and good if you have a good company that pays over there but look at that man with the 10st testicles. He was on benefits and so only entitled to basic healthcare and only in the state he lived in....the man had ever growing testicles!! He tried to raise money to go to another state and have surgery but because he was doing that they stopped his benefits. Nice system | |||
"I'm having a nostalgic moment: it feels like an old forum regular is back in a young body. " Do i inherit his friends list in that case? :p "The NHS could be more efficient but what it could really do with is a period of being left alone by politicians to settle down and implement efficiencies instead of having to deal with constant re-organisations." indeed, but i think before it has that time it needs to be inspected to make sure that the failings/covering up of those failings is removed, then some time given to settle and a new mentality to take over where mistakes should be admitted at all times rather than hidden through fear. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. " Too right I work in nhs in emergency care and lately I have seen a massive decline in quality of care and in pressures on all aspect of services Frankly the staff are over worked and underappreciated and the system is at melting point | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. Too right I work in nhs in emergency care and lately I have seen a massive decline in quality of care and in pressures on all aspect of services Frankly the staff are over worked and underappreciated and the system is at melting point " i appreciate you all  | |||
"I love my job and wouldn't change it for the world. I often go without breaks, no time for the toilet, or a cuppa. If you work for the NHS more often than not nursing staff do it for the enjoyment and because they care. It's not about leaving because your unhappy you don't get a break you crack on do the job you can't stop half way through resuscitating someone and say gtg need my break like you can in most other jobs. "
Agreed. I wouldn't change my job for the WORLD. What spurs me on is the satisfaction of knowing I've made a difference, no matter how pressed for time I am - I will always endeavour to meet every need of every patient.
People are too quick to jump and bitch at NHS staff for being crap but it's easy to judge when not doing it themselves. | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. Too right I work in nhs in emergency care and lately I have seen a massive decline in quality of care and in pressures on all aspect of services Frankly the staff are over worked and underappreciated and the system is at melting point " . I'm told I work in the most heart rendering part of the NHS and yes I'm underpaid and over worked. But I love every second of my job and it's a job which a lot couldn't do. | |||
" Too right I work in nhs in emergency care and lately I have seen a massive decline in quality of care and in pressures on all aspect of services Frankly the staff are over worked and underappreciated and the system is at melting point " So I suppose you could say some people have a point, that the service is not as you would normally expect? How much is a massive decline do you think? | |||
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" I'm told I work in the most heart rendering part of the NHS and yes I'm underpaid and over worked. But I love every second of my job and it's a job which a lot couldn't do. " pediatric oncologist? | |||
" I'm told I work in the most heart rendering part of the NHS and yes I'm underpaid and over worked. But I love every second of my job and it's a job which a lot couldn't do. pediatric oncologist? " . Could you do it? | |||
" Too right I work in nhs in emergency care and lately I have seen a massive decline in quality of care and in pressures on all aspect of services Frankly the staff are over worked and underappreciated and the system is at melting point So I suppose you could say some people have a point, that the service is not as you would normally expect? How much is a massive decline do you think?" I was raised to use common sense in regard personal care Obviously this isn't the case with everybody | |||
"Moan moan moan!!! Do you work a 13 hr shift without a break in your job?? Do you fight to save a persons life when there really is no hope. Do you wipe tears away from a family who are told a loved one has passed. It's a free service which you get many of the staff are under a great deal of pressure which you don't see. I work for the NHS and I'm really proud of the job I do. I am also treated by them and have to say the service is second to none. "Well well a a voice of reason, I have just landed home after a 12 and a half shift. I am shattered. Amongst many of my endless tasks today, I held an old ladies hand, while she had an arterial line put insitu. I still have the scars where she dug her nails in. I left work tonight actually feeling like my legs belonged to someone else! I smiled at the patients and said goodbye when my shift ended... Few days off so they will probably be discharged when I return... Little old lady *thankyou for holding my hand you are wonderful* obviously im not! but makes it all worth while...the NHS could be an awful lot better, unfortunately those sitting in their ivory towers, should work a day on a busy busy ward... Perhaps then they would be able to allocate .... The resources needed..on the shop floor so to speak!! Rather than to those sitting on high.. Having said that its one of the one countries left... Who offer the service for free. What's that saying .... Until uve walked a mile in my shoes. | |||
" Too right I work in nhs in emergency care and lately I have seen a massive decline in quality of care and in pressures on all aspect of services Frankly the staff are over worked and underappreciated and the system is at melting point So I suppose you could say some people have a point, that the service is not as you would normally expect? How much is a massive decline do you think? I was raised to use common sense in regard personal care Obviously this isn't the case with everybody " Sadly this has been reported lately. Don't get me wrong I think the people who love their job and are doing it because they care about it and the people they look after probably do a brilliant job and I for one couldn't do half of what they do, but there are people in the job who either have got disillusioned in their job or just treat it soley as a way to pay the bills. I know before anyone says anything that they all get paid but on the whole I think people who went into the job wanted to nurse more than thinking about the money. | |||
" I'm told I work in the most heart rendering part of the NHS and yes I'm underpaid and over worked. But I love every second of my job and it's a job which a lot couldn't do. pediatric oncologist? . Could you do it?" Hell no, have slept with one though. he was very nice, did not like to talk about work though. | |||
" I'm told I work in the most heart rendering part of the NHS and yes I'm underpaid and over worked. But I love every second of my job and it's a job which a lot couldn't do. pediatric oncologist? . Could you do it? Hell no, have slept with one though. he was very nice, did not like to talk about work though." . I don't talk about what I do it opens too many cans of worms, and a lot of emotion. Even my nearest and dearest don't ask they know better! Which leads back to my original post. Most have no idea what it's like working in a environment such as I do. If they did perhaps they might not be so harsh to judge or tar all staff with the same brush. | |||
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" Too right I work in nhs in emergency care and lately I have seen a massive decline in quality of care and in pressures on all aspect of services Frankly the staff are over worked and underappreciated and the system is at melting point So I suppose you could say some people have a point, that the service is not as you would normally expect? How much is a massive decline do you think? I was raised to use common sense in regard personal care Obviously this isn't the case with everybody Sadly this has been reported lately. Don't get me wrong I think the people who love their job and are doing it because they care about it and the people they look after probably do a brilliant job and I for one couldn't do half of what they do, but there are people in the job who either have got disillusioned in their job or just treat it soley as a way to pay the bills. I know before anyone says anything that they all get paid but on the whole I think people who went into the job wanted to nurse more than thinking about the money." I agree wholeheartedly I didnt go into nursing for the wages , I have worked for the NHS since leaving school its decline is appalling .Frequently have to remain on duty to finish a far to heavy workload decided by managers who have no idea how the system works . I love the work I do but am burnt out by the constant pressure and unrealistic goals set by government office ,but I go in everyday work damn hard and am always cheery and polite and caring to all patients . A | |||
"I'm having a nostalgic moment: it feels like an old forum regular is back in a young body. Do i inherit his friends list in that case? :p The NHS could be more efficient but what it could really do with is a period of being left alone by politicians to settle down and implement efficiencies instead of having to deal with constant re-organisations. indeed, but i think before it has that time it needs to be inspected to make sure that the failings/covering up of those failings is removed, then some time given to settle and a new mentality to take over where mistakes should be admitted at all times rather than hidden through fear." I don't know if you can inherit his friends list without his gorgeous wife. You could try liking Christmas a lot and present us with a Christmas cock with a Brussels Sprout on top. I don't have a problem with inspections, admitting to mistakes and fixing problems. We learn from our mistakes not by covering them up and pretending they didn't happen. | |||
"The NHS saved my Childs life over twenty years ago.. and the recently saved my hubbys Spine and deteriorating health... hope we never lose the NHS.. no matter how much of a joke waiting at A&E has become !!!
A&E waiting times are only a joke because of the people who have become helpless and go there for something that could have waited to be dealt with by a GP...if its not an emergency dont go to the A&E department "It's unfortunately a knock on effect though no room at the drs so... Ill trot to A&E then violence n sadly threats occur, because of the wait! Triage puts them low down on the list. | |||
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"Finding fault with the N.H.S is totally different from denigrating those that work within it. What if the fault is the people?" What if your hat chased a rabbit ? | |||
"Finding fault with the N.H.S is totally different from denigrating those that work within it. What if the fault is the people? What if your hat chased a rabbit ?" it might have more luck than it does chasing cats. :p | |||
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"you will always divide people over the NHS depending on their own personal experience. I for one though am grateful to know that they are there doing their best to provide care whilst being under staffed and under paid. if you don't like it and you can afford it go private and ease the waiting times for the rest of us...!!" Why should people pay twice? | |||
"you will always divide people over the NHS depending on their own personal experience. I for one though am grateful to know that they are there doing their best to provide care whilst being under staffed and under paid. if you don't like it and you can afford it go private and ease the waiting times for the rest of us...!!" private use NHS buildings staff and equipment, but they get preference they'd increase your waiting times. | |||
"you will always divide people over the NHS depending on their own personal experience. I for one though am grateful to know that they are there doing their best to provide care whilst being under staffed and under paid. if you don't like it and you can afford it go private and ease the waiting times for the rest of us...!!" ??? Going private doesn't mean that the NHS isn't used. When things go wrong privately patients often end up back with NHS. Premature babies born at that famous private London hospital where the rich and the royal are born end up in the NICU my son was in. | |||
"you will always divide people over the NHS depending on their own personal experience. I for one though am grateful to know that they are there doing their best to provide care whilst being under staffed and under paid. if you don't like it and you can afford it go private and ease the waiting times for the rest of us...!! Why should people pay twice? " I have been to a private hospital, comfortable room, choice of food, a named nurse who only had 3 patients to care for. great communication. Respect and dignity at all stages. I felt that I was important and not one of many. Everyone from the domestic to the consultant, and surgeon made me feel safe and secure. Oh it was on NHS, because now dr's can ask you, which hospital you prefer,because they pay for services out of their budget. | |||
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