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Genetic Memory or Do you believe in ghosts 2
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Break out topic from "Do you believe in ghosts"
I have a theory that memories can be inherited same as eyes height race etc. This theory extends beyond knowing your parents exact memories into a scramble of disjointed data dumped in from all your ancestors experiences but not complete memories.
My theory extends to this disjointed memory space being pushed out by learning where more "important / relevant memories" take up the foreground of the memory.
This to my mind explains a lot of supernatural phenomena, and why so many "past lives" link back to famous names rather than a peasant in a field or cotton mill.
It also explains kids particularly the very young doing and saying some of the weird stuff they come out with.
Remembered sights / smells would explain ghosts, remembered places deja vu, remembered behaviours would assist learning etc.
any thoughts on this out there in Fab land? |
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Deja vu is nothing mysterious.it has an explanation.
as for the genetic memory.never even heard of it before.
its sort of going down the homeopathy idea.we all know all homeopathy cures is dehydration. |
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I go with the genetic memory theory to explain quite a few things, genes after all hold a code or memory of a blueprint so why wouldn't they hold experiences etc from your ancestors.
To say something is so or not possible because you have never heard of it is not an argument. |
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"Deja vu is nothing mysterious.it has an explanation.
as for the genetic memory.never even heard of it before.
its sort of going down the homeopathy idea.we all know all homeopathy cures is dehydration."
I'd be genuinely interested to to hear an expansion of these arguments and the analogy between genetic memory and homeopathy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"as for the genetic memory.never even heard of it before.
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I know you haven't... it's my theory
But why not? not in a homoeopathy way that is about a chemical memory not a biological "brain structure" grown from DNA of which we expect the DNA combination to affect many aspects of the resulting child including internal weakness e.g. heart problems... so why not the pathways in the brain that make memories? |
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I can almost buy into that genetically we could get somethings from the past to be passed along, but am a little unsure what, for example, a tiny sperm could hold onto, that could - many years later - pass into consciousness.
Is our mind just within our brains, or within our larger physical body? Our spines have 10% of the neurons that our brains do, so I can appreciate that our minds may not be just within our brains. But where I struggle is to contemplate what could be a memory trace, knowing what I do about memory and neuro processes. Sometimes we don't find the solution because we fail to think of something in the right way, so I may well be limiting myself from how I'm thinking. |
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"for example, a tiny sperm could hold onto, that could - many years later - pass into consciousness.
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Hell I am impressed that a tadpole shape and a mostly spheroid shape knows most of the time where the fingers go! I think a few pathways between the neurons that would equate to a disorganised bunch of thoughts seems much easier than a hand. |
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There are definitely examples of genetic memory. For example the monarch butterfly migrates between north and South America and always to the particular tree where it's ancestors mated, the thing is the migration lasts longer than the lifespan of any one butterfly so how do they know where to go? Also fear of heights, spiders, snakes and anything else with red and black patterns are instinctual fears and could be the result of some kind of genetic memory. |
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"There are definitely examples of genetic memory. For example the monarch butterfly migrates between north and South America and always to the particular tree where it's ancestors mated, the thing is the migration lasts longer than the lifespan of any one butterfly so how do they know where to go? Also fear of heights, spiders, snakes and anything else with red and black patterns are instinctual fears and could be the result of some kind of genetic memory. "
is that not instinct? |
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"There are definitely examples of genetic memory. For example the monarch butterfly migrates between north and South America and always to the particular tree where it's ancestors mated, the thing is the migration lasts longer than the lifespan of any one butterfly so how do they know where to go? Also fear of heights, spiders, snakes and anything else with red and black patterns are instinctual fears and could be the result of some kind of genetic memory.
is that not instinct? "
Yes but how do you define instinct? And why does it exist? |
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I read an interesting article about inherited fears.
Spiders etc. that we in this country should have no fear of.
Work is being carried out, to try and find if this is indeed, inherited from distant past experiences.
Would explain some of our basic fears/needs that we are prone to.
The human mind is something we know little about in reality,yet we do tend to wave away anything that we find to extreme to understand.
Maybe in the future they will find that its not just physical attributes we can inherit from our ancestors.
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"Instinct and genetic memory are different than me remembering my grandads d day landing .
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Oh yes, definitely. I don't believe we can pass specific memories through generations but things like instinct are a kind of genetic memory. Evolutionary traits that ensure survival. |
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"Instinct and genetic memory are different than me remembering my grandads d day landing .
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The detail yes, but I am thinking a much more abstract cacophony of memory that would include your grandfathers memory in an abstract way, which of course would have no frame of reference to an infant so may get dropped very quickly to make space for learning, but there are tales of people seeing the ghostly images of soldiers in the trenches, which admittedly could have come from films they had seen... but perhaps they don't? perhaps its someone else's memory triggered by a landscape or smell |
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"Oh yes, definitely. I don't believe we can pass specific memories through generations but things like instinct are a kind of genetic memory. Evolutionary traits that ensure survival. "
But you are also discounting the re-enforcement. Instinct that we know has a purpose is naturally enforced in the learning keeping that memory closer to the surface so it is easier to call it up. but the memory of being your great granddad drifts every further to the back of the filing cabinet well before you are able to give it context or speak of it. |
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"genetic memory is quite an established theory lots of people think it could account for lots of cases of "reincarnation"."
established amongst who?
people trying to make money maybe. |
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"Oh yes, definitely. I don't believe we can pass specific memories through generations but things like instinct are a kind of genetic memory. Evolutionary traits that ensure survival.
But you are also discounting the re-enforcement. Instinct that we know has a purpose is naturally enforced in the learning keeping that memory closer to the surface so it is easier to call it up. but the memory of being your great granddad drifts every further to the back of the filing cabinet well before you are able to give it context or speak of it."
Interesting thought. Don't know how you'd go about testing it though. |
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"genetic memory is quite an established theory lots of people think it could account for lots of cases of "reincarnation".
established amongst who?
people trying to make money maybe."
Research is being carried out at University College London among others. |
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"established amongst who?
people trying to make money maybe."
Carl Jung for one, it's been raised many times by many good scholars but as the human race has considered itself completely different to animals until relatively recently.
I think it's unlikely that anyone will devise an experiment that can be carried out on newborn children in the near future so unlikely to be proven or dis-proven. |
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Ribot mentions genetic memory in 1881. It's a well established topic of study, for example, experiments were done on mice so they developed a phobia to certain smells. Their offspring also had that same phobia even though they had not been subject to the smell before. |
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"So ... time travel then????
That exists for real 
Only forward though!
well I certainly seem to be hurtling forward in time at an alarming speed  "
Yes, there is that but that's not actually what I meant. |
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"genetic memory is quite an established theory lots of people think it could account for lots of cases of "reincarnation".
established amongst who?
people trying to make money maybe."
or people who are not so close minded or cynical to disparage that something as yet unproven or unknown may never happen..
history is peppered with people who took a chance, a leap of faith or thought outside the box..
'if you always did what you always done you will always get what you always had'..
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"So ... time travel then????
That exists for real
Only forward though!
well I certainly seem to be hurtling forward in time at an alarming speed
Yes, there is that but that's not actually what I meant. "
I know, it was my attempt at humour |
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"experiments were done on mice so they developed a phobia to certain smells. Their offspring also had that same phobia even though they had not been subject to the smell before. "
Can't see that one getting approval for use on human experimentation though 
Think it will have to wait until we have a system that can download memories direct from the brain, for absolute proof. Though the acceptance that a biological brain works in pretty much the same way in human and animal may make progress enough for more accurate theory's to develop, which will give the experimental scientists more scope to prove by failing to disprove as is often the way with science.
As for time travel, we have time travellers on the forums so we know that's possible |
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"I think that's more telepathic in some ways. "
Could telepathic instances be down to the fact that thoughts are electrical and people are crap insulators? I feel this is a bit more on the edge of reason than genetic memory, but I have measured electricity on the wrong cable when an insulator has broken down.. so won't discount the possibility. |
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"I think that's more telepathic in some ways.
Could telepathic instances be down to the fact that thoughts are electrical and people are crap insulators? I feel this is a bit more on the edge of reason than genetic memory, but I have measured electricity on the wrong cable when an insulator has broken down.. so won't discount the possibility."
I think that telepathy is due in most (not all) cases to the brain picking up subtle body language and signals so that you believe you know what someone is thinking but you've just read their unspoken language very well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Break out topic from "Do you believe in ghosts"
I have a theory that memories can be inherited same as eyes height race etc. This theory extends beyond knowing your parents exact memories into a scramble of disjointed data dumped in from all your ancestors experiences but not complete memories.
My theory extends to this disjointed memory space being pushed out by learning where more "important / relevant memories" take up the foreground of the memory.
This to my mind explains a lot of supernatural phenomena, and why so many "past lives" link back to famous names rather than a peasant in a field or cotton mill.
It also explains kids particularly the very young doing and saying some of the weird stuff they come out with.
Remembered sights / smells would explain ghosts, remembered places deja vu, remembered behaviours would assist learning etc.
any thoughts on this out there in Fab land? "
it's not your theory, it's been the basis of the Assassins Creed games for quite a few years. Unless they need to be paying you royalties? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"it's not your theory, it's been the basis of the Assassins Creed games for quite a few years. Unless they need to be paying you royalties?"
I wouldn't turn down the royalties
But no genetic memory has been around for a long time as a theory, I am just taking it a stage further and questioning if it may also be an explanation to at least some of the "supernatural / out of body / reincarnation / and possibly even religious" experiences that have been doing the rounds for at least written history |
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