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"does licensed firearm ownership reduce illegal gun ownership/crime? As far as I can see if there's a market then people will find a supplier. So is gun licensing preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves from illegal gun crime?" Law abiding gun owners have a tendency not to get in the position to need to use their guns to protect themselves  | |||
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"does licensed firearm ownership reduce illegal gun ownership/crime? As far as I can see if there's a market then people will find a supplier. So is gun licensing preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves from illegal gun crime?" do you realy want some of the morons that populate this country to be able to own a legal licenced fire arm for protection only have to look at the USA to see how that doesent work | |||
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"do you realy want some of the morons that populate this country to be able to own a legal licenced fire arm for protection only have to look at the USA to see how that doesent work " This | |||
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"Of course it works! The less firearms there are in legal circulation and the tighter the controls there are on those firearms the harder it is for them to fall into criminal hands. It really is quite simple. "Good point but most illegal firearms are from other sources than registered holders. Smugglers are a real big problem  | |||
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"Of course it works! The less firearms there are in legal circulation and the tighter the controls there are on those firearms the harder it is for them to fall into criminal hands. It really is quite simple.
Good point but most illegal firearms are from other sources than registered holders. Smugglers are a real big problem "I agree that most illegal weapons in this country are now smuggled in, but if you look at other countries (and here before we really tightened up gun control) you will find that most illegal weapons started life as legal weapons but were stolen by criminals. After all its much easier to break into a house and steal a gun-safe than to smuggle a weapon into the country. | |||
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"When I came out of the military I had an old class A licence, in my home I had 2 .22 bolt action target rifles and a 7.62 SLR. If anyone had broken in at night and held a knife to my wifes throat I would have handed them the keys and let them have my firearms. The only reason it never happened was because I was not a member of the local firearms club and did not shoot in local competitions so was not known to have firearms on the premises." Yes that can be a problem with registration. | |||
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"When I came out of the military I had an old class A licence, in my home I had 2 .22 bolt action target rifles and a 7.62 SLR. The only reason it never happened was because I was not a member of the local firearms club and did not shoot in local competitions so was not known to have firearms on the premises." The ONLY reason - are you sure about that? | |||
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"When I came out of the military I had an old class A licence, in my home I had 2 .22 bolt action target rifles and a 7.62 SLR. If anyone had broken in at night and held a knife to my wifes throat I would have handed them the keys and let them have my firearms. The only reason it never happened was because I was not a member of the local firearms club and did not shoot in local competitions so was not known to have firearms on the premises." By saying that that is the only reason it didn;t happen, the implication is that every member of a firearms club is robbed at knifepoint for their guns. And while I'm sure it does happen, it doesn't happen often | |||
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"People always trot out the 'Look at the USA' argument when guns are mentioned which is a bit of a straw man argument. How about that hotbed of guncrime, they hold approx 7 times the amount of firearms than we do (per 100 head of population), Switzerland?" Where do you think UK society is more in line with - America or Switzerland? | |||
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" And while I'm sure it does happen, it doesn't happen often" Be interested if anyone can quote an instance of this EVER happening? | |||
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"People always trot out the 'Look at the USA' argument when guns are mentioned which is a bit of a straw man argument. How about that hotbed of guncrime, they hold approx 7 times the amount of firearms than we do (per 100 head of population), Switzerland? Where do you think UK society is more in line with - America or Switzerland?" I'd like to think we had more in common with Switzerland but I take your point  | |||
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"When I came out of the military I had an old class A licence, in my home I had 2 .22 bolt action target rifles and a 7.62 SLR. If anyone had broken in at night and held a knife to my wifes throat I would have handed them the keys and let them have my firearms. The only reason it never happened was because I was not a member of the local firearms club and did not shoot in local competitions so was not known to have firearms on the premises. By saying that that is the only reason it didn;t happen, the implication is that every member of a firearms club is robbed at knifepoint for their guns. And while I'm sure it does happen, it doesn't happen often" When I did hold firearms (dont any longer) I used to get regular visits from the local firearms officer and on nearly every visit he would would be telling me of another farm or isolated house that had been raided. At the time we (my ex and I) lived in the middle of nowhere. However as the only firearms that can now be legally held are shotguns and small-bore weapons i am sure your correct about home raids being very rare now. | |||
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"does licensed firearm ownership reduce illegal gun ownership/crime? As far as I can see if there's a market then people will find a supplier. So is gun licensing preventing law abiding citizens from protecting themselves from illegal gun crime?" The reality! Illegal firearms are easy to get hold of if you have the money although munition is harder its still there if you are prepared to play. If the general public had more access to weapons then more would go to jail for manslaughter after accidental discharge. In general guns kill and maim and its very hard to go through the rest of your life with the memory of what you did to another human. | |||
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"People always trot out the 'Look at the USA' argument when guns are mentioned which is a bit of a straw man argument. How about that hotbed of guncrime, they hold approx 7 times the amount of firearms than we do (per 100 head of population), Switzerland?" Actually Switzerland has the the highest rate of firearms murder and suicide in the world... Even the Swiss admit that the cause of this is that every man between the ages of 18 and 55 having finished their national service is required to do 4 weeks reserve training annually and hold an assault rifle and 200 rounds of ammunition in their home. Now exactly what is your point about the Swiss? | |||
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"People always trot out the 'Look at the USA' argument when guns are mentioned which is a bit of a straw man argument. How about that hotbed of guncrime, they hold approx 7 times the amount of firearms than we do (per 100 head of population), Switzerland? Actually Switzerland has the the highest rate of firearms murder and suicide in the world... Even the Swiss admit that the cause of this is that every man between the ages of 18 and 55 having finished their national service is required to do 4 weeks reserve training annually and hold an assault rifle and 200 rounds of ammunition in their home. Now exactly what is your point about the Swiss?" Sorry but that is pure crap. | |||
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"'However as the only firearms that can now be legally held are shotguns and small-bore weapons i am sure your correct about home raids being very rare now.' Funny how people post, making it sound as if they know what they are talking about and then they post misinformation like this." Don't forget the F A C air rifle that has th be licence held.  | |||
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"why do you need a gun to protect yourself? thats the american way of thinking which is about as fucked up as you can get have a go heroes shooting at criminals willy nilly,bound to end up with more inocents injured plus if an armed robber breaks into your house,and you pull a gun its shoot out time.dont pull a gun and there is little chance of you coming to harm.id happily swallow my pride to allow my family to survive"
My fire arms are used for vermin control when not in use there locked up.
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"People always trot out the 'Look at the USA' argument when guns are mentioned which is a bit of a straw man argument. How about that hotbed of guncrime, they hold approx 7 times the amount of firearms than we do (per 100 head of population), Switzerland? Where do you think UK society is more in line with - America or Switzerland? I'd like to think we had more in common with Switzerland but I take your point "Canadians have a lotta guns too as do the french and germans (relatively speaking). It does seen like its the culture of the society with a country that determines how violent it is. | |||
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"To be fair to the americans they are allowed to own a gun to protect themselves from a corrupt government. Can't say I blame them." Eh ? | |||
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"To be fair to the americans they are allowed to own a gun to protect themselves from a corrupt government. Can't say I blame them. Eh ?" The 2nd Amendment  | |||
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"To be fair to the americans they are allowed to own a gun to protect themselves from a corrupt government. Can't say I blame them. Eh ? The 2nd Amendment "Is that the one about arming bears? | |||
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"To be fair to the americans they are allowed to own a gun to protect themselves from a corrupt government. Can't say I blame them. Eh ? The 2nd Amendment
Is that the one about arming bears?"Only the Grizzlies !....we can't have brown bears having guns now can we ! | |||
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"To be fair to the americans they are allowed to own a gun to protect themselves from a corrupt government. Can't say I blame them." there is no point trying to look at anything americans do in a logical way, americans dont use logic in anything from day to day life to law making. the NRA are a bunch of cunts who even after mass shootings of kids cannot bring themselves to say that automatic rifles need controlling,there logic cough cough is to arm more people | |||
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" However as the only firearms that can now be legally held are shotguns and small-bore weapons i am sure your correct about home raids being very rare now. " Explain "small bore". My certificate allows me to own anything up to and including a .50cal bolt action rifle, and I currently own a .338 Lap Mag (for long range target and game), hardly what I'd consider "small bore". | |||
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" However as the only firearms that can now be legally held are shotguns and small-bore weapons i am sure your correct about home raids being very rare now. Explain "small bore". My certificate allows me to own anything up to and including a .50cal bolt action rifle, and I currently own a .338 Lap Mag (for long range target and game), hardly what I'd consider "small bore"." sorry I should have said small bore, low pressure rim fire, black powder, muzzle loading and certain historical weapons... Oh and there are a few companies with special dispensations to train "marine security" and special "overseas security" in full bore weapons handling competence. By the way what do you consider long range target? When I was competition shooting long range was 600mtrs and standard ripple shooting with iron sights was at 100, 300 and 300mtrs. | |||
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" However as the only firearms that can now be legally held are shotguns and small-bore weapons i am sure your correct about home raids being very rare now. Explain "small bore". My certificate allows me to own anything up to and including a .50cal bolt action rifle, and I currently own a .338 Lap Mag (for long range target and game), hardly what I'd consider "small bore".sorry I should have said small bore, low pressure rim fire, black powder, muzzle loading and certain historical weapons... Oh and there are a few companies with special dispensations to train "marine security" and special "overseas security" in full bore weapons handling competence. By the way what do you consider long range target? When I was competition shooting long range was 600mtrs and standard ripple shooting with iron sights was at 100, 300 and 300mtrs. " With the .338 using match grade boat tail rounds I can put 5rnds in a 3 inch group at 1200m | |||
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" However as the only firearms that can now be legally held are shotguns and small-bore weapons i am sure your correct about home raids being very rare now. Explain "small bore". My certificate allows me to own anything up to and including a .50cal bolt action rifle, and I currently own a .338 Lap Mag (for long range target and game), hardly what I'd consider "small bore"." The 'bore' bit is self-explanatory
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" However as the only firearms that can now be legally held are shotguns and small-bore weapons i am sure your correct about home raids being very rare now. Explain "small bore". My certificate allows me to own anything up to and including a .50cal bolt action rifle, and I currently own a .338 Lap Mag (for long range target and game), hardly what I'd consider "small bore". The 'bore' bit is self-explanatory
Can't we just stick to who can piss higher up the wall?"Chill out, nothing wrong with clarifying a point.  | |||
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"And before we know it we're discussing the colour of the boathouse in Hereford." Lmao, you've been watching too much Ronin! A better question is "what is the pack weight for the fandance?" | |||
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"'sorry I should have said small bore, low pressure rim fire, black powder, muzzle loading and certain historical weapons... Oh and there are a few companies with special dispensations to train "marine security" and special "overseas security" in full bore weapons handling competence.' The whole of this is nonsense written by someone who knows nothing at all about the firearms system in this country Why state facts that are wrong - easily checked on the home office site if you don't already know. The main problem with serious debates about firearms is the ignorance of the general public wirh existing laws." I think he was referring to handguns, in which case he's fairly close. | |||
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"'I think he was referring to handguns, in which case he's fairly close.' In which case he is still wrong because not even rimfire allowed." Yes and no..22rf, muzzle loaders (including black powder) and historical handguns are allowed but MUST be kept at a secure location, not in the home. | |||
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"In this country, no-one is allowed a gun for self defence (apart from MPs)" As was the case before the Dunblane ban. I was a large bore pistol shooter prior to the ban and if there had been the slightest suspicion that I held my guns for "self defence" my licence would have been pulled faster than you could say self defence. Funny thing though when talking about ammunition. I was also a home re-loader and when I handed in my guns, ammunition, cases, primers, heads, and powder, I also offered my press, dyes, and powder measures Etc. The police didn't want them, just told me to take them somewhere for scrap, which I did after a while. I wonder how much illegal ammunition is still being made on the old machinery from those days. Have to admit though, I wiped away a tear when I handed over my nickel plated Colt 45 1911 model complete with pachmayr grips then had to wait nearly a year fro the compensation cheque.  | |||
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"'I think he was referring to handguns, in which case he's fairly close.' In which case he is still wrong because not even rimfire allowed. Yes and no..22rf, muzzle loaders (including black powder) and historical handguns are allowed but MUST be kept at a secure location, not in the home." Sorry but NO .22rf handguns are allowed which is why our Olympic shooters have to practice abroad | |||
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"In this country, no-one is allowed a gun for self defence (apart from MPs) As was the case before the Dunblane ban. I was a large bore pistol shooter prior to the ban and if there had been the slightest suspicion that I held my guns for "self defence" my licence would have been pulled faster than you could say self defence. Funny thing though when talking about ammunition. I was also a home re-loader and when I handed in my guns, ammunition, cases, primers, heads, and powder, I also offered my press, dyes, and powder measures Etc. The police didn't want them, just told me to take them somewhere for scrap, which I did after a while. I wonder how much illegal ammunition is still being made on the old machinery from those days. Have to admit though, I wiped away a tear when I handed over my nickel plated Colt 45 1911 model complete with pachmayr grips then had to wait nearly a year fro the compensation cheque. "I felt the same when giving my M9 over although my compensation cheque only took a few months to arrive. I've considered home re-loading given the cost of .338 ammunition but to be fair I don't often get the opportunity to shoot it and mostly shoot the .223 or shotguns... | |||
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"'I think he was referring to handguns, in which case he's fairly close.' In which case he is still wrong because not even rimfire allowed. Yes and no..22rf, muzzle loaders (including black powder) and historical handguns are allowed but MUST be kept at a secure location, not in the home. Sorry but NO .22rf handguns are allowed which is why our Olympic shooters have to practice abroad" Nope, you're wrong. I can't post a link as it breaks the forum rules but .22rf pistols are allowed under British law as long as the meet the size/barrel length requirements. I'll see if I can copy and paste from my mobile for clarification. | |||
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"Sorry to disappoint you but I am not wrong. Once the barrel length & overall length is above the sizes specified in your post in is classed as a rifle which is why it is legal. But a .22RF pistol is illegal. (ask the Olympic team for their views) As you seem fairly knowledgeable on the firearms laws & still you get it wrong, then it shows that the general public have no chance. Rather than bog a sex site down with gun talk, why not pm me?" It's all within the context of the thread and on topic so no need for pm's unless you wish to do it that way. You could always head over the The Great British Gun Show website and you'll see that they are offering members of the public the opportunity to shoot .22rf handguns in February as part of their line-up. | |||
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"who has pissed the highest? careful if you aim too high it may come back on you." I don't think anyone's having a pudding competition, were clarifying points. | |||
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"who has pissed the highest? careful if you aim too high it may come back on you. I don't think anyone's having a pudding competition, were clarifying points. " Damn my phone and its autocarrot! Obviously that meant "pissing"... | |||
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"Sorry to disappoint you but I am not wrong. Once the barrel length & overall length is above the sizes specified in your post in is classed as a rifle which is why it is legal. But a .22RF pistol is illegal. (ask the Olympic team for their views) As you seem fairly knowledgeable on the firearms laws & still you get it wrong, then it shows that the general public have no chance. Rather than bog a sex site down with gun talk, why not pm me?" I'm finally starting to see the point you're making (its been a busy day!). I suppose you could suggest that once the barrel length criteria has been met it 'could' be considered a rifle, but because the firearm in question doesn't have a stock it is really still a handgun, just a bloody cumbersome one! Anyway, I actually think our firearms laws are about right. People over here are too afraid of them and its that fear that brings accidents, misuse and abuse. | |||
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"who has pissed the highest? careful if you aim too high it may come back on you. I don't think anyone's having a pudding competition, were clarifying points. " Of course. | |||
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"who has pissed the highest? careful if you aim too high it may come back on you. I don't think anyone's having a pudding competition, were clarifying points. Of course." | |||
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"Just had a look at that site & couldn't find a mention of .22RF pistols. Btw - why do people who have no interest in a thread continue to post. Does it make them feel important/wanted?" Some people just don't like the fact that there are people who enjoy shooting, they have no concept of the actual degree of skill it takes and the seriousness we pay to the safety aspect of it. It goes back to the point I made about fear and lack of understanding. | |||
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"Just had a look at that site & couldn't find a mention of .22RF pistols. Btw - why do people who have no interest in a thread continue to post. Does it make them feel important/wanted? Some people just don't like the fact that there are people who enjoy shooting, they have no concept of the actual degree of skill it takes and the seriousness we pay to the safety aspect of it. It goes back to the point I made about fear and lack of understanding."  | |||
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"'Anyway, I actually think our firearms laws are about right. People over here are too afraid of them and its that fear that brings accidents, misuse and abuse.' I agree, its because of the ignorance of the existing laws (which are over complicated) that the public fear how they are used & what could happen ." Which is understandable and expected after the tragic events of Dunblane. I think the banning of easily concealed firearms was the best and most logical move. There weren't that many in legal circulation and the impact (of the ban) was minimal. If it saved the life of even one person then I say its been successful. | |||
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"Just had a look at that site & couldn't find a mention of .22RF pistols. Btw - why do people who have no interest in a thread continue to post. Does it make them feel important/wanted? Some people just don't like the fact that there are people who enjoy shooting, they have no concept of the actual degree of skill it takes and the seriousness we pay to the safety aspect of it. It goes back to the point I made about fear and lack of understanding." we dont live in a country big enough to allow people shooting guns than can hit targets over a mile away. | |||
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"People don't like shooting cos they remember Thomas Hamilton." Yeah - he was from scotland | |||
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"People don't like shooting cos they remember Thomas Hamilton." Again, I agree. But that's also the point I'm trying to make. His actions were abhorrent and no one could ever justify it or put it in any kind of sense. But people, such as myself, who shoot target and game are labelled with the same brush and its unfair. If people took a less one sided view on the subject they'd see that those of us who don't abuse the privilege actually have a high degree of skill, common sense and a huge understanding of safety and take great pride in that. | |||
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"Just had a look at that site & couldn't find a mention of .22RF pistols. Btw - why do people who have no interest in a thread continue to post. Does it make them feel important/wanted? Some people just don't like the fact that there are people who enjoy shooting, they have no concept of the actual degree of skill it takes and the seriousness we pay to the safety aspect of it. It goes back to the point I made about fear and lack of understanding. we dont live in a country big enough to allow people shooting guns than can hit targets over a mile away. " I beg to differ. | |||
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"People don't like shooting cos they remember Thomas Hamilton. Again, I agree. But that's also the point I'm trying to make. His actions were abhorrent and no one could ever justify it or put it in any kind of sense. But people, such as myself, who shoot target and game are labelled with the same brush and its unfair. If people took a less one sided view on the subject they'd see that those of us who don't abuse the privilege actually have a high degree of skill, common sense and a huge understanding of safety and take great pride in that." I agree it's unfair but it's also entirely understandable. You're just going to have to learn to live with that. | |||
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"People don't like shooting cos they remember Thomas Hamilton. Again, I agree. But that's also the point I'm trying to make. His actions were abhorrent and no one could ever justify it or put it in any kind of sense. But people, such as myself, who shoot target and game are labelled with the same brush and its unfair. If people took a less one sided view on the subject they'd see that those of us who don't abuse the privilege actually have a high degree of skill, common sense and a huge understanding of safety and take great pride in that. I agree it's unfair but it's also entirely understandable. You're just going to have to learn to live with that." Lol, I have. I actually expect it! I'm also a big believer in getting people to try it, just to see if it changes their viewpoint even a little. | |||
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"How long is the range at bisley?" I think theres a 1200yd and a 600yd range there. Not sure to be honest having never shot there though. | |||
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"How long is the range at bisley? I think theres a 1200yd and a 600yd range there. Not sure to be honest having never shot there though." 1200yds at Stckledown | |||
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"People don't like shooting cos they remember Thomas Hamilton. Again, I agree. But that's also the point I'm trying to make. His actions were abhorrent and no one could ever justify it or put it in any kind of sense. But people, such as myself, who shoot target and game are labelled with the same brush and its unfair. If people took a less one sided view on the subject they'd see that those of us who don't abuse the privilege actually have a high degree of skill, common sense and a huge understanding of safety and take great pride in that. I agree it's unfair but it's also entirely understandable. You're just going to have to learn to live with that. Lol, I have. I actually expect it! I'm also a big believer in getting people to try it, just to see if it changes their viewpoint even a little." It won't. Shooting is right up there with incest, female genital mutilation and child abuse. | |||
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"People don't like shooting cos they remember Thomas Hamilton. Again, I agree. But that's also the point I'm trying to make. His actions were abhorrent and no one could ever justify it or put it in any kind of sense. But people, such as myself, who shoot target and game are labelled with the same brush and its unfair. If people took a less one sided view on the subject they'd see that those of us who don't abuse the privilege actually have a high degree of skill, common sense and a huge understanding of safety and take great pride in that. I agree it's unfair but it's also entirely understandable. You're just going to have to learn to live with that. Lol, I have. I actually expect it! I'm also a big believer in getting people to try it, just to see if it changes their viewpoint even a little. It won't. Shooting is right up there with incest, female genital mutilation and child abuse." Sadly I think you're almost bang on...lol | |||
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"Fact, firearms are easy to obtain in the uk. All one needs to do is go to eastern Europe where you can get someone to sell you one without ID it can be stripped down and bought through in the back of your car, there used to be a gunshop near Calais that would strip a gun for you and advise you how to put it back together. " That could be best post of the day. Easy to obtain in Uk - go to Europe to get it. Eh? | |||
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"Fact, firearms are easy to obtain in the uk. All one needs to do is go to eastern Europe where you can get someone to sell you one without ID it can be stripped down and bought through in the back of your car, there used to be a gunshop near Calais that would strip a gun for you and advise you how to put it back together. " Step away from the keyboard!...
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"Most people that want access to an illegal one know that, what's needed is tighter border controls ans sentences that will act as a deterrent when caught. " Agreed except for the "most people" part. Surely you mean "most criminals", in which case they're not bothered where it comes from. | |||
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"Most people that want access to an illegal one know that, what's needed is tighter border controls ans sentences that will act as a deterrent when caught. " If we can't stop people getting in illegally, how are we going to stop firearms getting in illegally? | |||
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"Most people that want access to an illegal one know that, what's needed is tighter border controls ans sentences that will act as a deterrent when caught. If we can't stop people getting in illegally, how are we going to stop firearms getting in illegally?" Best post of the thread... | |||
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"the more licences the more chance to track a weapon , if you ban guns they will go underground and be completely untraceable, and nomatter licences or not criminals will find them, usually unlicenced guns are used for crime as they cannot be traced back to anyone, as usual the genuine user will be punished by the blody minded criminal"
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"People don't like shooting cos they remember Thomas Hamilton. Again, I agree. But that's also the point I'm trying to make. His actions were abhorrent and no one could ever justify it or put it in any kind of sense. But people, such as myself, who shoot target and game are labelled with the same brush and its unfair. If people took a less one sided view on the subject they'd see that those of us who don't abuse the privilege actually have a high degree of skill, common sense and a huge understanding of safety and take great pride in that." Spot on. | |||
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"Seen some very good points and some rather ill informed people on here! I would like to point out that the three major incidents we have had in this country would have been preventable, had the law been enforced correctly by the local constabulary. Coppers need more resource, in order to ensure legal guns are in sensible hands, that way everyone will be safe and happy! So far no one has asked about the cabinet on the wall when we have been playing!" My cabinets cannot be seen by visitors and my .338 actually occupies 3 seperate cabinets (I remove the barrel and bolt and store them separately from the rest of the gun). My .223, shotgun and even air rifle also have their own cabinets as does the ammunition and I've had three unannounced inspections this year. I take great pride in the fact that my inspectors hate coming to inspect my guns because its such a faff for them... | |||
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"Fact, firearms are easy to obtain in the uk. All one needs to do is go to eastern Europe where you can get someone to sell you one without ID it can be stripped down and bought through in the back of your car, there used to be a gunshop near Calais that would strip a gun for you and advise you how to put it back together. " That is partly true, you just left out the fact customs have equipment and rather special dogs used to track weapons besides other things | |||
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"They do have equipment but how many people coming back into the uk through ports are checked, in the last few years I've came through Dover on numerous occasions and never been checked. A friend of mine had an altercation with an eastern European lorry driver who pointed a handgun at him and was told by police that lots of them carry one for protection, I'm sure some may be intercepted at the border bit how many dont?" There is always the chance of being checked and not every check done is could you step out of your car please. Checks are also carried out before Dover | |||
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"Seen some very good points and some rather ill informed people on here! Hamilton would never have been issued his licence if the powers that be would have listened to the Police , sadly the reason for that has to be kept secret for 100 years Bliar saw to that , I have permits /licences for 2 European countries, but don't need to own personally here in the UK any more , I rough shoot over a freinds land and simply borrow when neccessary , I do regularly see twats with guns , the variety who simply can't resist slugging from a hip flask and firing dangerously at low birds or even OVER lanes with vehicles ,...Did I not read that you suffer from PTSD Mr Who ? "My PTSD is very well controlled and my symptoms very mild (unlike many I don't drink, take drugs or get involved in violence). My brother is also a police officer and firearms certificate holder and if there was the slightest concern my guns would be gone in a heartbeat. I would welcome more stringent mental health checks during the application process if it meant greater safety. | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so." Why? It's like saying wanting a fast car is a reason to ban someone from driving or wanting to be a chef is reason enough to remove all the knives from someone's kitchen! I use mine for sporting/hunting purposes and don't randomly wander round the countryside firing into the air because I like making a noise or want to intimidate people. | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so." as should self certifying ones sanity.  | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so. as should self certifying ones sanity. "I take it that was aimed squarely at me which is sad considering you don't know me and know nothing of the cause of my PTSD or how my symptoms are displayed and managed. If you want a reasonable, well informed debate then make reasonable, well informed posts. Otherwise take your ignorant views elsewhere. | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so. as should self certifying ones sanity.
I take it that was aimed squarely at me which is sad considering you don't know me and know nothing of the cause of my PTSD or how my symptoms are displayed and managed.
If you want a reasonable, well informed debate then make reasonable, well informed posts. Otherwise take your ignorant views elsewhere."I'm guessing you brought your PTSD to the forum. You can hardly complain if others comment on it in this context. | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so. as should self certifying ones sanity.
I take it that was aimed squarely at me which is sad considering you don't know me and know nothing of the cause of my PTSD or how my symptoms are displayed and managed.
If you want a reasonable, well informed debate then make reasonable, well informed posts. Otherwise take your ignorant views elsewhere." | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so. as should self certifying ones sanity.
I take it that was aimed squarely at me which is sad considering you don't know me and know nothing of the cause of my PTSD or how my symptoms are displayed and managed.
If you want a reasonable, well informed debate then make reasonable, well informed posts. Otherwise take your ignorant views elsewhere.
I'm guessing you brought your PTSD to the forum. You can hardly complain if others comment on it in this context."I did and I welcome reasonable questions and comments about it either publicly or by pm, not low punches from people with agendas. | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so. as should self certifying ones sanity.
I take it that was aimed squarely at me which is sad considering you don't know me and know nothing of the cause of my PTSD or how my symptoms are displayed and managed.
If you want a reasonable, well informed debate then make reasonable, well informed posts. Otherwise take your ignorant views elsewhere.
I'm guessing you brought your PTSD to the forum. You can hardly complain if others comment on it in this context.
I did and I welcome reasonable questions and comments about it either publicly or by pm, not low punches from people with agendas."Welcome to the real world. | |||
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"Wanting to own a gun should be an automatic disqualification from ever being allowed to do so. as should self certifying ones sanity.
I take it that was aimed squarely at me which is sad considering you don't know me and know nothing of the cause of my PTSD or how my symptoms are displayed and managed.
If you want a reasonable, well informed debate then make reasonable, well informed posts. Otherwise take your ignorant views elsewhere.
I'm guessing you brought your PTSD to the forum. You can hardly complain if others comment on it in this context.
I did and I welcome reasonable questions and comments about it either publicly or by pm, not low punches from people with agendas.
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"There's no getting beyond the fact that, from the public's stance, a contest between fewer guns and fewer dead people will always come down in favour of fewer dead people." Again, I've said previously that its a good thing that there's tight controls and an outright ban on easily concealed handguns, you won't get any argument from me about that. Safety is my primary concern when shooting, as you'll find with nearly all legitimate gun owners. Knives and baseball bats are a far bigger danger on our streets and they're available easily and without any regulations, the same is also true in America... | |||
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"There's no getting beyond the fact that, from the public's stance, a contest between fewer guns and fewer dead people will always come down in favour of fewer dead people." I have said this many time before , but here goes again. If the people who want to ban things because of ignorance put the same effort into actually trying to find the real cause of problems we might get somewhere. When there was NO gun control at all there was practically no gun crime. Gun control was brought in because the government of the day wanted to guard against a revolution as had just happened in Russia. Guns do not commit crimes but some people are too thick & blinkered to see that. If all guns were banned, criminals would still have them. | |||
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"easier to break into a house, remove an armoured gun safe that's securely bolted to a solid wall than to smuggle a few hundred ex eastern block military small arms in a container? "It's not the smuggling of illegal firearms it's the purchase of deactivated weapons that are then reconditioned. As for licencing. The USA can't have it totally wrong. We have still had our share of shocking incidents Hungerford and Dunblane for example. Are licenced owners less likely to use them for protection. Ask Tony Martin the same question. Both criminal and common law give an individual the right to protect themselves. . How would you do it if someone broke into your house and put your families lives at risk? ?? | |||
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"The public, albeit irrationally, don't see a distinction between legally and illegally held firearms (except those held by cops, HM Armed Forces etc). The purpose of a firearm is to kill, often at a distance from which the victim can do nothing. Knives, baseball bats, lengths of 4x2 are different." But they're equally as dangerous and more widely available at a fraction of the cost of a firearm illegal or otherwise. | |||
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"There's no getting beyond the fact that, from the public's stance, a contest between fewer guns and fewer dead people will always come down in favour of fewer dead people. I have said this many time before , but here goes again. If the people who want to ban things because of ignorance put the same effort into actually trying to find the real cause of problems we might get somewhere. When there was NO gun control at all there was practically no gun crime. Gun control was brought in because the government of the day wanted to guard against a revolution as had just happened in Russia. Guns do not commit crimes but some people are too thick & blinkered to see that. If all guns were banned, criminals would still have them." You can spew that stuff out as often as you like. The Great British Public aren't wearing it - and never will. One of the interesting points to note if how everyone seems to think THEY'RE safe to own a gun, but nobody else is. Whilst children and cops are dying people won't tolerate a relaxation of the law. | |||
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"There's no getting beyond the fact that, from the public's stance, a contest between fewer guns and fewer dead people will always come down in favour of fewer dead people. I have said this many time before , but here goes again. If the people who want to ban things because of ignorance put the same effort into actually trying to find the real cause of problems we might get somewhere. When there was NO gun control at all there was practically no gun crime. Gun control was brought in because the government of the day wanted to guard against a revolution as had just happened in Russia. Guns do not commit crimes but some people are too thick & blinkered to see that. If all guns were banned, criminals would still have them. You can spew that stuff out as often as you like. The Great British Public aren't wearing it - and never will. One of the interesting points to note if how everyone seems to think THEY'RE safe to own a gun, but nobody else is. Whilst children and cops are dying people won't tolerate a relaxation of the law." I don't believe we as a country want to become legal holders of firearms. Yes mine is an antiquated view but as long as guns aren't visible crime will stay down. Arm the police wholesale and it will be returned in kind. There is no question guns are readily available and on the increase but the public help manage the isolation of incidents just through attitude. As stated earlier other edged weapons or blunt trauma objects are equally as dangerous but we can't control and police everything. Meat cleavers haven't been removed from shelves after the tragedy of Lee rigby! The British people don't want guns in society. Fact! | |||
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"The public, albeit irrationally, don't see a distinction between legally and illegally held firearms (except those held by cops, HM Armed Forces etc). The purpose of a firearm is to kill, often at a distance from which the victim can do nothing. Knives, baseball bats, lengths of 4x2 are different. But they're equally as dangerous and more widely available at a fraction of the cost of a firearm illegal or otherwise." All those potentially lethal things, and more, have other uses. You can kill with bare hands. The purpose of a gun is to kill, or in the case of target practice, improve your aim (so you can be a better killer?) | |||
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"easier to break into a house, remove an armoured gun safe that's securely bolted to a solid wall than to smuggle a few hundred ex eastern block military small arms in a container?
It's not the smuggling of illegal firearms it's the purchase of deactivated weapons that are then reconditioned. As for licencing. The USA can't have it totally wrong. We have still had our share of shocking incidents Hungerford and Dunblane for example. Are licenced owners less likely to use them for protection. Ask Tony Martin the same question. Both criminal and common law give an individual the right to protect themselves. . How would you do it if someone broke into your house and put your families lives at risk? ??"There's bugger all chance of me using one to defend myself or my kids if someone breaks into my house, it'd take me.20 minutes to get it out of the cabinet and assembled. Besides I don't see them as defensive weapons, they're equipment for sport or putting food on the table. | |||
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"The public, albeit irrationally, don't see a distinction between legally and illegally held firearms (except those held by cops, HM Armed Forces etc). The purpose of a firearm is to kill, often at a distance from which the victim can do nothing. Knives, baseball bats, lengths of 4x2 are different. But they're equally as dangerous and more widely available at a fraction of the cost of a firearm illegal or otherwise. All those potentially lethal things, and more, have other uses. You can kill with bare hands. The purpose of a gun is to kill, or in the case of target practice, improve your aim (so you can be a better killer?)" I practice to make myself a safer hunter of the animals I shoot and minimise risk. I suppose that's making me a better killer but not of the kind of targets you're hinting at. | |||
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"'The purpose of a gun is to kill, or in the case of target practice, improve your aim (so you can be a better killer?)' More rubbish put out by the ignorant & stupid. The problem is that people like me want to prevent gun crime (amongst other types) Some people just want to ban guns. Handguns are banned but are still the main type used in crime. Does that not register with any of the bigots?" I think the above demonstrates perfectly why some people are not temperamentally suited to owning guns. | |||
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"easier to break into a house, remove an armoured gun safe that's securely bolted to a solid wall than to smuggle a few hundred ex eastern block military small arms in a container?
It's not the smuggling of illegal firearms it's the purchase of deactivated weapons that are then reconditioned. As for licencing. The USA can't have it totally wrong. We have still had our share of shocking incidents Hungerford and Dunblane for example. Are licenced owners less likely to use them for protection. Ask Tony Martin the same question. Both criminal and common law give an individual the right to protect themselves. . How would you do it if someone broke into your house and put your families lives at risk? ??
There's bugger all chance of me using one to defend myself or my kids if someone breaks into my house, it'd take me.20 minutes to get it out of the cabinet and assembled. Besides I don't see them as defensive weapons, they're equipment for sport or putting food on the table."If only that were true! Tell that to every post conflict state or every soldier or every armed police officer. | |||
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"'The purpose of a gun is to kill, or in the case of target practice, improve your aim (so you can be a better killer?)' More rubbish put out by the ignorant & stupid. The problem is that people like me want to prevent gun crime (amongst other types) Some people just want to ban guns. Handguns are banned but are still the main type used in crime. Does that not register with any of the bigots? I think the above demonstrates perfectly why some people are not temperamentally suited to owning guns." And how is that? | |||
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"What I find interesting is the fact I could buy a M99 sniper rifle (Barrett). but I can't have a hand gun that is kept at a range and not taken of the premises for competitions." It's mostly down to concealment and the ability to use said weapon in close proximity to other people. Try hiding 5ft of .50cal Barrett rifle under your jacket without people noticing or using it to shoot someone inside the same room as you! | |||
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"What I find interesting is the fact I could buy a M99 sniper rifle (Barrett). but I can't have a hand gun that is kept at a range and not taken of the premises for competitions. It's mostly down to concealment and the ability to use said weapon in close proximity to other people. Try hiding 5ft of .50cal Barrett rifle under your jacket without people noticing or using it to shoot someone inside the same room as you!" Haha is that not the point he is making. The fact that Barrett light .50 can be used from greater ranges with superior accuracy and stopping power!!! How is it more legal to own as opposed to a 9 mm pistol!!! But again the fact is the majority public don't want guns and that will not change | |||
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"easier to break into a house, remove an armoured gun safe that's securely bolted to a solid wall than to smuggle a few hundred ex eastern block military small arms in a container?
It's not the smuggling of illegal firearms it's the purchase of deactivated weapons that are then reconditioned. As for licencing. The USA can't have it totally wrong. We have still had our share of shocking incidents Hungerford and Dunblane for example. Are licenced owners less likely to use them for protection. Ask Tony Martin the same question. Both criminal and common law give an individual the right to protect themselves. . How would you do it if someone broke into your house and put your families lives at risk? ??
There's bugger all chance of me using one to defend myself or my kids if someone breaks into my house, it'd take me.20 minutes to get it out of the cabinet and assembled. Besides I don't see them as defensive weapons, they're equipment for sport or putting food on the table.
If only that were true! Tell that to every post conflict state or every soldier or every armed police officer. "I have been a soldier and the circumstances of me having a gun at that time were different to the circumstances of me owning a gun now. Back then it was a weapon now it is a piece of equipment. Your question and this whole discussion is about private gun ownership therefore your point about the military and police having them is slightly off topic, but I see your point. | |||
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"What I find interesting is the fact I could buy a M99 sniper rifle (Barrett). but I can't have a hand gun that is kept at a range and not taken of the premises for competitions. It's mostly down to concealment and the ability to use said weapon in close proximity to other people. Try hiding 5ft of .50cal Barrett rifle under your jacket without people noticing or using it to shoot someone inside the same room as you! Haha is that not the point he is making. The fact that Barrett light .50 can be used from greater ranges with superior accuracy and stopping power!!! How is it more legal to own as opposed to a 9 mm pistol!!! But again the fact is the majority public don't want guns and that will not change" When was the last mass shooting in Britain where a large calibre rifle was used at long distance?....oh, wait!
Handguns are the problem because they're easy to use and conceal by pretty much any idiot with opposable thumbs but there is a huge amount of skill that is required to shoot at long range, most people with the patience to learn that skill have enough respect for the art to put it to good use, not random criminal acts. | |||
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"What I find interesting is the fact I could buy a M99 sniper rifle (Barrett). but I can't have a hand gun that is kept at a range and not taken of the premises for competitions. It's mostly down to concealment and the ability to use said weapon in close proximity to other people. Try hiding 5ft of .50cal Barrett rifle under your jacket without people noticing or using it to shoot someone inside the same room as you! Haha is that not the point he is making. The fact that Barrett light .50 can be used from greater ranges with superior accuracy and stopping power!!! How is it more legal to own as opposed to a 9 mm pistol!!! But again the fact is the majority public don't want guns and that will not change When was the last mass shooting in Britain where a large calibre rifle was used at long distance?....oh, wait!
Handguns are the problem because they're easy to use and conceal by pretty much any idiot with opposable thumbs but there is a huge amount of skill that is required to shoot at long range, most people with the patience to learn that skill have enough respect for the art to put it to good use, not random criminal acts."Personally I feel because you hunt and probably shoot in a gun club you think you are the All seeing eye. I don't disagree with some.of what you are saying but some of it is tripe.. just my thoughts | |||
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"........But again the fact is the majority public don't want guns and that will not change When was the last mass shooting in Britain where a large calibre rifle was used at long distance?....oh, wait!
Handguns are the problem because they're easy to use and conceal by pretty much any idiot with opposable thumbs but there is a huge amount of skill that is required to shoot at long range, most people with the patience to learn that skill have enough respect for the art to put it to good use, not random criminal acts."Mention guys and people see Hungerford, Dunblane, Cumbria, Rothbury etc. That's before we start on the overseas stuff. That'll never change and, rightly or wrongly, there'll always be a bit of suspicion about people who want to own guns. | |||
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"If guns were legal then there'd be less people on Jeremy Kyle. "
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"What I find interesting is the fact I could buy a M99 sniper rifle (Barrett). but I can't have a hand gun that is kept at a range and not taken of the premises for competitions. It's mostly down to concealment and the ability to use said weapon in close proximity to other people. Try hiding 5ft of .50cal Barrett rifle under your jacket without people noticing or using it to shoot someone inside the same room as you! Haha is that not the point he is making. The fact that Barrett light .50 can be used from greater ranges with superior accuracy and stopping power!!! How is it more legal to own as opposed to a 9 mm pistol!!! But again the fact is the majority public don't want guns and that will not change When was the last mass shooting in Britain where a large calibre rifle was used at long distance?....oh, wait!
Handguns are the problem because they're easy to use and conceal by pretty much any idiot with opposable thumbs but there is a huge amount of skill that is required to shoot at long range, most people with the patience to learn that skill have enough respect for the art to put it to good use, not random criminal acts.
Personally I feel because you hunt and probably shoot in a gun club you think you are the All seeing eye. I don't disagree with some.of what you are saying but some of it is tripe.. just my thoughts"I don't consider myself the "all seeing eye" at all but my points are based on knowledge and personal experience rather than a jaded view or fear. I fully respect people not wishing to own a gun or see them as commonplace on the streets and I actually would like to see more stringent checks carried out before an FAC is issued and also after one is issued, as do many other law abiding gun owners. All people hear is the word gun and they imagine that we have swastikas tattooed all over our bodies and have homicidal tendencies whereas we just want to to continue to enjoy our hobby/sport without prejudice and harrassment. | |||
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"........... we just want to to continue to enjoy our hobby/sport without prejudice and harrassment." That option has gone. It's only going to get harder and harder to keep and enjoy firearms in the UK and even if we Brits can go for 10 or 20 or 30 years without an incident, there'll be child murders in the US and elsewhere to remind people here that private gun ownership is a BAD idea. | |||
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"What I find interesting is the fact I could buy a M99 sniper rifle (Barrett). but I can't have a hand gun that is kept at a range and not taken of the premises for competitions. It's mostly down to concealment and the ability to use said weapon in close proximity to other people. Try hiding 5ft of .50cal Barrett rifle under your jacket without people noticing or using it to shoot someone inside the same room as you! Haha is that not the point he is making. The fact that Barrett light .50 can be used from greater ranges with superior accuracy and stopping power!!! How is it more legal to own as opposed to a 9 mm pistol!!! But again the fact is the majority public don't want guns and that will not change When was the last mass shooting in Britain where a large calibre rifle was used at long distance?....oh, wait!
Handguns are the problem because they're easy to use and conceal by pretty much any idiot with opposable thumbs but there is a huge amount of skill that is required to shoot at long range, most people with the patience to learn that skill have enough respect for the art to put it to good use, not random criminal acts.
Personally I feel because you hunt and probably shoot in a gun club you think you are the All seeing eye. I don't disagree with some.of what you are saying but some of it is tripe.. just my thoughts
I don't consider myself the "all seeing eye" at all but my points are based on knowledge and personal experience rather than a jaded view or fear. I fully respect people not wishing to own a gun or see them as commonplace on the streets and I actually would like to see more stringent checks carried out before an FAC is issued and also after one is issued, as do many other law abiding gun owners.
All people hear is the word gun and they imagine that we have swastikas tattooed all over our bodies and have homicidal tendencies whereas we just want to to continue to enjoy our hobby/sport without prejudice and harrassment."Well said that man! | |||
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"........... we just want to to continue to enjoy our hobby/sport without prejudice and harrassment. That option has gone. It's only going to get harder and harder to keep and enjoy firearms in the UK and even if we Brits can go for 10 or 20 or 30 years without an incident, there'll be child murders in the US and elsewhere to remind people here that private gun ownership is a BAD idea." I partly agree but can I change it to 'unregulated gun ownership and storage'? The biggest problem in the US is often the lax attitude people have to storing their guns, they're often kept in drawers and loaded (because of the fear of home invasion). The first move to making legal gun ownership safer is to enforce safe storage and usage of the firearm. Sadly, over there its way too late and try as they may the government will never be able to make the necessary changes. | |||
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"What I find interesting is the fact I could buy a M99 sniper rifle (Barrett). but I can't have a hand gun that is kept at a range and not taken of the premises for competitions. It's mostly down to concealment and the ability to use said weapon in close proximity to other people. Try hiding 5ft of .50cal Barrett rifle under your jacket without people noticing or using it to shoot someone inside the same room as you! Haha is that not the point he is making. The fact that Barrett light .50 can be used from greater ranges with superior accuracy and stopping power!!! How is it more legal to own as opposed to a 9 mm pistol!!! But again the fact is the majority public don't want guns and that will not change When was the last mass shooting in Britain where a large calibre rifle was used at long distance?....oh, wait!
Handguns are the problem because they're easy to use and conceal by pretty much any idiot with opposable thumbs but there is a huge amount of skill that is required to shoot at long range, most people with the patience to learn that skill have enough respect for the art to put it to good use, not random criminal acts.
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I don't consider myself the "all seeing eye" at all but my points are based on knowledge and personal experience rather than a jaded view or fear. I fully respect people not wishing to own a gun or see them as commonplace on the streets and I actually would like to see more stringent checks carried out before an FAC is issued and also after one is issued, as do many other law abiding gun owners.
All people hear is the word gun and they imagine that we have swastikas tattooed all over our bodies and have homicidal tendencies whereas we just want to to continue to enjoy our hobby/sport without prejudice and harrassment."I have a friend who owns a local gun club and it does seem to be that as soon as you mention you want to go and have a shoot, your looked at as some kind of freak. I also remembering hearing the laws in context to hand guns had to be suspended for some during the Olympics. Just so we could have the events. But I might of heard wrong on that one | |||
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"Close protection detail for heads of state or high risk targets from certain nations. You're not wrong at all, the numbers were very low though as most of that kind of work was carried out by specialist police or armed forces units." That's always the case, Olympics or not, by reciprocal arrangement in most countries. I took the post to be about competitive shooting during the Olympic Games. | |||
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"Close protection detail for heads of state or high risk targets from certain nations. You're not wrong at all, the numbers were very low though as most of that kind of work was carried out by specialist police or armed forces units. That's always the case, Olympics or not, by reciprocal arrangement in most countries. I took the post to be about competitive shooting during the Olympic Games." You're right, I misread the post | |||
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"Close protection detail for heads of state or high risk targets from certain nations. You're not wrong at all, the numbers were very low though as most of that kind of work was carried out by specialist police or armed forces units. That's always the case, Olympics or not, by reciprocal arrangement in most countries. I took the post to be about competitive shooting during the Olympic Games. You're right, I misread the post "Yep it was about the competitive shooting lol | |||
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"If guns were legal then there'd be less people on Jeremy Kyle.
Or maybe no Jeremy Kyle "Someone needs to do dna tests for the scrubbers. | |||
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"It's funny how the anti gun brigade state most people in the UK don't want gun ownership. I've found most people are either fascinated by it or just not interested. This is the only place I have found where people are so anti. Saying that on here what ever subject is brought up the antis are shouting the loudest. I'm also sure one or two of the comments are made just to be inflammatory..." Yip absolutely, and tbh, we are both very shocked and disappointed that I'm a community supposedly as non judgemental as the swinging scene there are so many seriously judgemental but utterly ignorant, prejudiced and misinformed! Restricting private firearms ownership in the uk further and further has done and will never make any difference to illegally held firearm crime. In fact it's at an all time high and continuing to rise! But hey, they are "big bad guns", band them all and continue to demonise inanimate objects and ignore the real facts. Especially the failures of the authorities to prevent certain tragedies. Very disappointed indeed. | |||
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"Nigel Farage just said some gun laws should be relaxed. He used the Olympics as an example... You would have thought he had suggested giving every convicted murderer a gun from the response he got... As usual ignorance and lack of education do not stop people getting involved... "I saw this a couple of days ago. They're empty words as they'll never come to power and the general public don't want need handguns. I'm pro-gun but I personally feel our handgun restrictions are fine. | |||
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"He only suggested that they relax the rules for people like the Olympic team, not the general public..." Farage wouldn't remember what he suggested if it bit him on the arse. Remember how well he got to grips with his party manifesto? That accident might have done more damage than he lets on. | |||
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"He only suggested that they relax the rules for people like the Olympic team, not the general public..." That's not what I heard the other day. If its for the Olympics, fine although I don't see why we need a pistol shooting team anyway. I'm a long range target shooter so I have a little bias towards that discipline... | |||
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"Thats how pistol shooting was banned so easily, the other disciplines not supporting them......... " | |||
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"so gun crime hasnt gone up since the hand gun ban ? I think you'll find it has massively !!! Of course government arent going to report this are they, it'd make them look what they are, ineffective. Suggest some background reading on the REASONS for our firearms laws before you post unqualified drivel Exactly, it's gone up drastically and is continuing to rise. Having worked and stayed in Liverpool and Manchester I can honestly say that the level if gun crime was staggering. That's illegally held firearms, ILLEGALLY HELD, for those with a filter fitted to their cognitive thought processing. The law was already in place to prevent the tragedies like hungerford and Dunblane and it would have prevented it had the Police done their job properly. Read Dunblane Unburied by Sandra Uttley. Although I doubt any of the anti-gun ignorant fools will even bother to try and educate themselves. Guns are just bad you see......spare me. " | |||
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"Thats how pistol shooting was banned so easily, the other disciplines not supporting them......... "Correct, and nobody will bother to do anything when they bring in more pointless legislation to win a few votes or impress the ignorant naive fools. They will just sit about and moan about it, before, during and after. | |||
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"Thats how pistol shooting was banned so easily, the other disciplines not supporting them.........
Correct, and nobody will bother to do anything when they bring in more pointless legislation to win a few votes or impress the ignorant naive fools.
They will just sit about and moan about it, before, during and after."Calling people ignorant naive fools doesn't really add much to the debate either though. If a person can't have a difference of opinion with resulting to abuse and name calling, is that the type of person we want to have a licence for a firearm? Governments ban lots of things as a knee jerk reaction and the public lap it up without having an in depth knowledge of the subject.If the government and police say it is than it must be... There are a few things I believe should be legal that aren't, I know if I posted about them here, that the majority of people who have no direct experience of the subject would be screaming blue murder in support of what the government decides. | |||
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"Thread has got a tad long but my worries are as follows. I shot clay targets at international level for several years. It used to scare me the number of so called TARGET shooters new to the sport who used to arrive at a shoot with camouflage clothes on......FFS ....what is all that about ...now if any of them are reading THAT REALLY SCARES ME......I would instantly withold their licences. "always fancied turning up in Ali G's gold track suit! | |||
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"Thread has got a tad long but my worries are as follows. I shot clay targets at international level for several years. It used to scare me the number of so called TARGET shooters new to the sport who used to arrive at a shoot with camouflage clothes on......FFS ....what is all that about ...now if any of them are reading THAT REALLY SCARES ME......I would instantly withold their licences. "Problem is - if people turn up at a clay shoot in order to practice for their live quarry shooting, then they are recommended to wear the clothing they will shoot in. Doesn't make them bad people! I have been shooting for more than 45yrs & have always seen how different factions 'knock' each other. Game v rough, clay v live, shotgun v firearm, pistol v rifle etc etc. No wonder they get pushed around! | |||
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"I have a firearm licence which I use for work. But wouldn't have an arm in my home tho as I wouldn't feel comfortable with it." Sensible view | |||
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"I have a firearm licence which I use for work. But wouldn't have an arm in my home tho as I wouldn't feel comfortable with it." So where do you keep said firearm? | |||
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