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"We have never voted and never will because no matter who is in power we will be no better off "if you dont vote you cant moan about the state of the country!! | |||
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"We have never voted and never will because no matter who is in power we will be no better off
if you dont vote you cant moan about the state of the country!!"Hear Hear I'm a true believer in that sentiment. I know i won't be voting Labour cos I can't stand the thought of being Governed by prick that wasn't voted in. | |||
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"Was wondering how many people on here are going to vote? And if so..why? Does anyone honestly believe what Cameron, Brown, or Clegg etc say anymore? It amazes me when people say.."I was labour but now I'm going to vote con..or visa versa. None of these party leaders have any power, they have and always will be dictated to by the financial elite, it is they who create policy (whether foreign or domestic) and it is they who carve up and sell off all our resources and infrastructure..and it's always us..the fools that pay the price, how many times are we promised change is on it's way, better healthcare, better education, more jobs, more justice..REALLY! I take it personal when someone pisses on my boots and tells me it's raining, and if people are still willing to lend an ear to these lying theiving, murdering bastards...then they deserve to lose their jobs, houses etc etc " those who can't hear must feel" " I feel the same way Hungry. I'm desperately unhappy with New Labour. I feel they have no interest in governing for the ordinary person. They seem to be in the pockets of the big financial interests and looking for jobs with them when they leave government. They appear to have been operating Reaganomics (ie. pure capitalism -allowing powerful groups to screw the rest in the belief that it's the best way to increase the national wealth). Note the non-existant regulation of banks, financial services, utilities etc. The credit crunch and the bank bailouts should have taught them a lesson but it appears they want to carry on as before. | |||
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"Was wondering how many people on here are going to vote? And if so..why? Does anyone honestly believe what Cameron, Brown, or Clegg etc say anymore? It amazes me when people say.."I was labour but now I'm going to vote con..or visa versa. None of these party leaders have any power, they have and always will be dictated to by the financial elite, it is they who create policy (whether foreign or domestic) and it is they who carve up and sell off all our resources and infrastructure..and it's always us..the fools that pay the price, how many times are we promised change is on it's way, better healthcare, better education, more jobs, more justice..REALLY! I take it personal when someone pisses on my boots and tells me it's raining, and if people are still willing to lend an ear to these lying theiving, murdering bastards...then they deserve to lose their jobs, houses etc etc " those who can't hear must feel" " you pretty much said it all there will be comments on here like / you gota be in it to win it , or / its important to vote etc etc etc but they are the gormless drones that vote in the self same party they voted out in years gone by this time they will vote in the ones they voted out last time because of the cash for questions sleaze what they dont realize is that it is the same GOVERMENT after the election as it was before it / but with a small shift of power manchester united football team might take a few players off and put a few subtitutes on but its still manchester united football team / just as the GOVERMENT is the same after the election as it was before it its all sewn up like a box of kippers and just as your pissing on your boots , i am pissing into the wind trying to explain this to the ..... gota be in it to win it brigade unless you have proportional representation 30 percent of the voters can all vote for a party without gaining ONE seat i will not vote in case someone sees me coming out of the polling station and associates me with all the other twats that vote | |||
"We have never voted and never will because no matter who is in power we will be no better off
if you dont vote you cant moan about the state of the country!!"I wanted to vote against going into an illegal war! I wanted to vote against joining the EU I wanted to vote against bailing out the banks I wanted to vote on human rights for the victims not the offenders I wanted to vote on how MP,s should of been punished for stealing our money And I wanted to vote on the governments being made to be transparrent with their involvement in using torture tactics on it's own citizens...the list goes on & on, Who are you supposed to vote for once you realise that they all bought & paid for by the elite "so called" lords and all of whom are either millionaires or billionaires, these are the same people who write legislation, do you honestly think that they create legislation for the benifit of the people? Me thinks not..if 2 million people can march against the Iraq war, & a majority of the British people said NO to the war...Why did we still go ( only to find out that it was all a lie) We went to war because the elite behind Blair & Bush wanted it to happen! Presidents & prime ministers don't answer to us, they answer to those who put them there..in other words Presidents & prime ministers arnt elected...there selected! | |||
"Was wondering how many people on here are going to vote? And if so..why? Does anyone honestly believe what Cameron, Brown, or Clegg etc say anymore? It amazes me when people say.."I was labour but now I'm going to vote con..or visa versa. None of these party leaders have any power, they have and always will be dictated to by the financial elite, it is they who create policy (whether foreign or domestic) and it is they who carve up and sell off all our resources and infrastructure..and it's always us..the fools that pay the price, how many times are we promised change is on it's way,better healthcare, better education, more jobs, more justice..REALLY! I take it personal when someone pisses on my boots and tells me it's raining, and if people are still willing to lend an ear to these lying theiving, murdering bastards...then they deserve to lose their jobs, houses etc etc " those who can't hear must feel" you pretty much said it all there will be comments on here like / you gota be in it to win it , or / its important to vote etc etc etc but they are the gormless drones that vote in the self same party they voted out in years gone by this time they will vote in the ones they voted out last time because of the cash for questions sleaze what they dont realize is that it is the same GOVERMENT after the election as it was before it / but with a small shift of power manchester united football team might take a few players off and put a few subtitutes on but its still manchester united football team / just as the GOVERMENT is the same after the election as it was before it its all sewn up like a box of kippers and just as your pissing on your boots , i am pissing into the wind trying to explain this to the ..... gota be in it to win it brigade unless you have proportional representation 30 percent of the voters can all vote for a party without gaining ONE seat i will not vote in case someone sees me coming out of the polling station and associates me with all the other twats that vote " Perfectly put! And so refreshing to hear! I also completly agree with the guy who commented eariler! But for those who still think that they have freedom of choice ( being able to vote for any of the above) either suffer from amnesia..or stupidity..or both! | |||
"It's a difficult one as have to agree to some extent with the op but as a woman I feel it's important to vote as many women fought long and hard and many died so that we had the privilege of being able to vote. Z" I agree it's important to vote for what you believe in, but who do you vote for when one of them is financed by a billionaire,another is financed by major arms dealers and the other is financed by the oil cartels.. What I'm trying to say is that..none of them stand on their own two feet, they are held up by their puppet masters, for f@cks sake, they don't even write their own speeches, someone else writes it for them...I can't vote or believe in someone who allows others to put the words in their mouths. As for women being able to vote, have a google of the Rockefellors, and the reason why they chose to champion womens right to vote....there's always a hidden agenda. | |||
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"im a reasonably new voter and i think that voting is a must , everyone here and in the public is talking about mp's expenses and how nothing ever changes , now me im not going into details and by no means want to offend anyone but having fought to give people the right to vote i think its one of the most important civic duties , you cant go moaning about your mp if you refused to vote and you cant change things other than through a democratc means , there are people out there who try to help you out ,we always just focus on the negatives here , as for illegal wars , hmm my opinion is that if war is declared there are no rules by definition , i will NEVER have any sympathy for anyone anywhere when war is declared other than for the folk i am with . yes there always casualities and thats hard but shit happens life is hard you deal with it and move on . so to sit here and talk about mp's expenses etc etc and how nothing is ever going change is slightly annoying to me people in this country in my opinion have no idea how good you got it so get out there vote then you can say what you like about the diddies running the country , srry rant over "Whilst I admire your sentiments I feel I have to pint out that your youthfulness comes across as slightly niave here. I used to think exactly the same way as you. Everyone with a vote MUST use it. What changed in me? For the best part of my late teens/twenties I knew nothing other than a Tory government, a government steeped in sleaze and nepotism, awash with fat cats feathering their own nests, and riddled with incomptent bureaucrats who couldn't organise a piss up in brewery. So I voted them out. From my 30s to the present day I've known nothing other than a Labour government, a government steeped in sleaze and nepotism, awash with fat cats feathering their own nests, and riddled with incomptent bureaucrats who couldn't organise a piss up in brewery. So I'm going to vote them out too. What's the moral of my story? They're all incomptent wankers but I'm fucked if I'm going to let them take the piss out of me for too long. I'd rather a change of scenery than look at the same old landscape stealing my money all the fooking time! | |||
"im a reasonably new voter and i think that voting is a must , everyone here and in the public is talking about mp's expenses and how nothing ever changes , now me im not going into details and by no means want to offend anyone but having fought to give people the right to vote i think its one of the most important civic duties , you cant go moaning about your mp if you refused to vote and you cant change things other than through a democratc means , there are people out there who try to help you out ,we always just focus on the negatives here , as for illegal wars , hmm my opinion is that if war is declared there are no rules by definition , i will NEVER have any sympathy for anyone anywhere when war is declared other than for the folk i am with . yes there always casualities and thats hard but shit happens life is hard you deal with it and move on . so to sit here and talk about mp's expenses etc etc and how nothing is ever going change is slightly annoying to me people in this country in my opinion have no idea how good you got it so get out there vote then you can say what you like about the diddies running the country , srry rant over
Whilst I admire your sentiments I feel I have to pint out that your youthfulness comes across as slightly niave here. I used to think exactly the same way as you. Everyone with a vote MUST use it.
What changed in me?
For the best part of my late teens/twenties I knew nothing other than a Tory government, a government steeped in sleaze and nepotism, awash with fat cats feathering their own nests, and riddled with incomptent bureaucrats who couldn't organise a piss up in brewery. So I voted them out.
From my 30s to the present day I've known nothing other than a Labour government, a government steeped in sleaze and nepotism, awash with fat cats feathering their own nests, and riddled with incomptent bureaucrats who couldn't organise a piss up in brewery. So I'm going to vote them out too.
What's the moral of my story?
They're all incomptent wankers but I'm fucked if I'm going to let them take the piss out of me for too long. I'd rather a change of scenery than look at the same old landscape stealing my money all the fooking time!"Wishy for Prime Minister!!!  | |||
"Wishy for Prime Minister!!! "Trust me - do NOT give me that power! I'd have sooooo many people cleaning the fookin streets as punishment for ripping us off that the highways and biways of the UK would shine like a new penny! My pet hate are those who are given thousands of pounds as a fuck off for being incompetent. If I don't do my job properly my boss will sack me. End of. And don't even get me started on public sector pensions!! grrrrr.. Wishy for PM? Only if you dare!! lol  | |||
"Wishy for Prime Minister!!!
Trust me - do NOT give me that power! I'd have sooooo many people cleaning the fookin streets as punishment for ripping us off that the highways and biways of the UK would shine like a new penny!
My pet hate are those who are given thousands of pounds as a fuck off for being incompetent. If I don't do my job properly my boss will sack me. End of.
And don't even get me started on public sector pensions!! grrrrr..
Wishy for PM?
Only if you dare!! lol "well sounds great to me......hehehehehehe  | |||
"Wishy for Prime Minister!!!
Trust me - do NOT give me that power! I'd have sooooo many people cleaning the fookin streets as punishment for ripping us off that the highways and biways of the UK would shine like a new penny!
My pet hate are those who are given thousands of pounds as a fuck off for being incompetent. If I don't do my job properly my boss will sack me. End of.
And don't even get me started on public sector pensions!! grrrrr..
Wishy for PM?
Only if you dare!! lol well sounds great to me......hehehehehehe "Got to agree with Femme there - we could all do with someone with common sense and morals at the top but unfortunately that will never happen! Z | |||
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In my neck of the woods, there`s zero support for Labour but the support for the "Cons" is very strong. There is a very good oppositional support for the Liberals but not enough to give the "Cons" a bloody nose. It`s a shame that the muppets who despite this are "Labour through and through" and still flush their vote down the lavvy by voting for their party instead of using it to better effect to help overturn the support for the Tories. | |||
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"It's a difficult one as have to agree to some extent with the op but as a woman I feel it's important to vote as many women fought long and hard and many died so that we had the privilege of being able to vote. Z" Here, here!! | |||
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"Was wondering how many people on here are going to vote? And if so..why? " Because regardless of the flaws in the current system... I'd sooner live in a country where I have the freedom to vote than in one where I don’t. | |||
"i wouldnt say im naieve politically after all it has a major bearing on my life what these idiots decide to say in their jobs . by voting i mean register something officially , if you dont trust or like or agree with any of the parties then spoil the vote , hell write an essay on the reasons why and hand it in at the polling station , will be classed as a spoilt ballot paper but someone will HAVE to read it . its your right that it must be read , god knows my mp has read enough shite from the past 2 years . " So some nobody of any importance reads your spoilt vote and that's it... it's just registered as a spoilt vote... no differently to those with smiley faces drawn on them. If people are going to write an essay they should write it on an email and send it to their local MP or to Brown or to the person they want to be their MP or PM. Fuck it… copy it to all of them. We have the right to vote for these people. Tell the people who want your vote what you want, how you feel, what matters to you. If as many people wrote an email or letter as there are bitching about it at work, in the pub and on forums... then may be something might change. Apathy is a very weak and vague message. | |||
"Don’t do politics, but if you do feel the need to vote, the trick is to never tell people who your voting for, as it normally comes back to bite you on the bum and make you a laughing stock, after all its usually a bunch of lies that trick people into voting and you only need to look at history, no matter how bad our government is at any given time, they are always forgiven any voted in again, always crying for change but its always the same two parties that are voted in, don’t people learn? " I think since devolution has come in its not quite the same as it was , proportional representation and all that jazz , we have the snp running things here and im far far from a nationalist in fact idealogically i couldnt be further away from them , however what i will say say is , its refreshing to have them there must admit ok they havent stuck to everything they said they would do and why its taken so long for them to stick together a referendum is beyond me , sooner they ask sooner the whole thing is put to bed , of course this is just up here and what your saying about 2 parties is correct for the uk as a whole , we have a 2 party system here in everything but name but doesnt mean you shouldnt vote as iv said before . i was at sea when the snp were elected and had to find out on the phone , the russians and chinese were amazed at our system of things and having to explain devolution to them was like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a 5 year old lol | |||
"im a reasonably new voter and i think that voting is a must , everyone here and in the public is talking about mp's expenses and how nothing ever changes , now me im not going into details and by no means want to offend anyone but having fought to give people the right to vote i think its one of the most important civic duties , you cant go moaning about your mp if you refused to vote and you cant change things other than through a democratc means , there are people out there who try to help you out ,we always just focus on the negatives here , as for illegal wars , hmm my opinion is that if war is declared there are no rules by definition , i will NEVER have any sympathy for anyone anywhere when war is declared other than for the folk i am with . yes there always casualities and thats hard but shit happens life is hard you deal with it and move on . so to sit here and talk about mp's expenses etc etc and how nothing is ever going change is slightly annoying to me people in this country in my opinion have no idea how good you got it so get out there vote then you can say what you like about the diddies running the country , srry rant over "as for illegal wars , hmm my opinion is that if war is declared there are no rules by definition , i will NEVER have any sympathy for anyone anywhere when war is declared other than for the folk i am with . yes there always casualities and thats hard but shit happens life is hard you deal with it Your lack of concern for the innocent victims who are always the ones who suffer the consequenses is scary! No disrespect but you sound more like a mercenary than a solider. You seem happy to carry out your duties regardless of whether they are illegal or not. And you say that you fought so that others can live in a democratic society...democracy is not something that you can export..democracy starts from within, & I'm pretty sure that the families of the 1.2 million Iraqis who died as a result of this illegal war would be more than happy for you to keep your democracy and return their loved ones. Henry Kissenger once said..." "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." Hate to say it, but your statement adds credence to Kissengers opinion. | |||
"Was wondering how many people on here are going to vote? And if so..why? Does anyone honestly believe what Cameron, Brown, or Clegg etc say anymore? It amazes me when people say.."I was labour but now I'm going to vote con..or visa versa. None of these party leaders have any power, they have and always will be dictated to by the financial elite, it is they who create policy (whether foreign or domestic) and it is they who carve up and sell off all our resources and infrastructure..and it's always us..the fools that pay the price, how many times are we promised change is on it's way,better healthcare, better education, more jobs, more justice..REALLY! I take it personal when someone pisses on my boots and tells me it's raining, and if people are still willing to lend an ear to these lying theiving, murdering bastards...then they deserve to lose their jobs, houses etc etc " those who can't hear must feel" you pretty much said it all there will be comments on here like / you gota be in it to win it , or / its important to vote etc etc etc but they are the gormless drones that vote in the self same party they voted out in years gone by this time they will vote in the ones they voted out last time because of the cash for questions sleaze what they dont realize is that it is the same GOVERMENT after the election as it was before it / but with a small shift of power manchester united football team might take a few players off and put a few subtitutes on but its still manchester united football team / just as the GOVERMENT is the same after the election as it was before it its all sewn up like a box of kippers and just as your pissing on your boots , i am pissing into the wind trying to explain this to the ..... gota be in it to win it brigade unless you have proportional representation 30 percent of the voters can all vote for a party without gaining ONE seat i will not vote in case someone sees me coming out of the polling station and associates me with all the other twats that vote Perfectly put! And so refreshing to hear! I also completly agree with the guy who commented eariler! But for those who still think that they have freedom of choice ( being able to vote for any of the above) either suffer from amnesia..or stupidity..or both!" I'm neither stupid or suffer from amnesia and find your assumptions offensive. However, I'm a firm believer in not sitting on my arse and moaning about government when I can't be bothered to get off said arse and get myself down to the polling station to use my vote. I have however, got off my arse and made an effort to bring about change albeit at a local level. | |||
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we probably have more a clue of issues at street level than half of the mps! xx | |||
"For a start I'd legalise prostitution and place them all in walk-in sex centres where anyone could go if they haven't had a bunk up for a day or two. This would drive kerb crawlers off the streets, eradicate pimps completely, lessen the burden on the police force in arresting/prosecuting working girls, pimps and clients, monitor and control the spread of STIs in the sex industry - and the girls could be taxed on their earnings and start a pension. Seems a no brainer to me. "if they made it like amsterdam and legalised prostitution and canabis it would create more jobs and the country would make more money off taxes from it and acctually have some money to pay back come of the debts that they've got us into and the crime rate would also go down cos if everyone were stoned they wouldn't be bothered to commit crime and it would also cut out the drug dealers which offer stronger substances | |||
" you pretty much said it all there will be comments on here like / you gota be in it to win it , or / its important to vote etc etc etc but they are the gormless drones that vote in the self same party they voted out in years gone by this time they will vote in the ones they voted out last time because of the cash for questions sleaze what they dont realize is that it is the same GOVERMENT after the election as it was before it / but with a small shift of power manchester united football team might take a few players off and put a few subtitutes on but its still manchester united football team / just as the GOVERMENT is the same after the election as it was before it its all sewn up like a box of kippers and just as your pissing on your boots , i am pissing into the wind trying to explain this to the ..... gota be in it to win it brigade unless you have proportional representation 30 percent of the voters can all vote for a party without gaining ONE seat i will not vote in case someone sees me coming out of the polling station and associates me with all the other twats that vote " People with views like yours scare the shit out of me. On the one hand I kind of hope you get what you disserve as your local MP... but then someone like you may be my neighbour and I have to suffer the consequences of the Government you allowed into power.  | |||
"im a reasonably new voter and i think that voting is a must , everyone here and in the public is talking about mp's expenses and how nothing ever changes , now me im not going into details and by no means want to offend anyone but having fought to give people the right to vote i think its one of the most important civic duties , you cant go moaning about your mp if you refused to vote and you cant change things other than through a democratc means , there are people out there who try to help you out ,we always just focus on the negatives here , as for illegal wars , hmm my opinion is that if war is declared there are no rules by definition , i will NEVER have any sympathy for anyone anywhere when war is declared other than for the folk i am with . yes there always casualities and thats hard but shit happens life is hard you deal with it and move on . so to sit here and talk about mp's expenses etc etc and how nothing is ever going change is slightly annoying to me people in this country in my opinion have no idea how good you got it so get out there vote then you can say what you like about the diddies running the country , srry rant over
as for illegal wars , hmm my opinion is that if war is declared there are no rules by definition , i will NEVER have any sympathy for anyone anywhere when war is declared other than for the folk i am with . yes there always casualities and thats hard but shit happens life is hard you deal with it
Your lack of concern for the innocent victims who are always the ones who suffer the consequenses is scary!
No disrespect but you sound more like a mercenary than a solider. You seem happy to carry out your duties regardless of whether they are illegal or not.
And you say that you fought so that others can live in a democratic society...democracy is not something that you can export..democracy starts from within, & I'm pretty sure that the families of the 1.2 million Iraqis who died as a result of this illegal war would be more than happy for you to keep your democracy and return their loved ones.
Henry Kissenger once said..." "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy."
Hate to say it, but your statement adds credence to Kissengers opinion.
"kissinger wasnt exactly s shineing becon of light himself , as for legal , if you go to war you go to war no quarter asked or given , as for these so called civilinas , dont even get me started no such things as civilians in war everyone takes sides wether its passive or direct , thats the nature of it . and to expect us to fight there with one hand tied is dumb to say the least , there no legalities in war , no one is there when somneone falls where is the court for these animals and cowrds who hide with the civilians ? where is the justice there when some kid barely out of his teens loses his leg or worse ? and half these things are done by women and children so called non combatants , ok they have no gun but they are far more dangerous in my opinion . im not a mercenary have no repsect for these people they fight only for money and to hell with everything else , no loyalty other than to themselves , its a dispicable trait . we are not exporting our western values under saddam are you honestly saying these people had a decent life ? 1.2 mill is regrettable but far far more ided in much more horrible circumstances under him , there were no trials no judiciary system just the knock on the door at night and thats the end of you . is that really better than at least trying to give them a shot , when we leave they can do what they like ill have no regrets and if they chose to go back to what they had then thats their choice but i certainly wont be rushing back to help them out . im of the opnion that voting should be a basic human right that should be applicable to all . ohh and a wee note here can see this getting out of hand im not being personal about it i enjoy a goood debate its healthy and i by no means trying to provoke anyone . | |||
" .... And you say that you fought so that others can live in a democratic society...democracy is not something that you can export..democracy starts from within, & I'm pretty sure that the families of the 1.2 million Iraqis who died as a result of this illegal war would be more than happy for you to keep your democracy and return their loved ones. " Really? 1978-1979 Up to 7,000 Iraqi communists were executed by orders of the Ba'athist regime. 1982 The specific atrocity for which Saddam was hanged: 148 Shias were murdered in the village of Dujail. 1984 Up to 4,000 political prisoners in Abu Ghraib jail were tortured and killed. Saddam's favoured methods of torture included cutting off genitalia, gouging out eyes and acid baths. 1980-1988 Some 1.7m died on both sides during the Iran-Iraq war, started by Saddam. 1987-1989 At least 100,000 Kurds were slaughtered in the so-called Anfal campaign. Some were gassed, others cast alive into mass graves. 1988 On March 16, in the worst single atrocity of the Anfal campaign, 5,000 Kurds were killed when Saddam ordered planes to drop a mixture of mustard gas and the nerve agent sarin on the town of Halabja. 1990-1991 About 25,000 Iraqi troops are thought to have died in the seven-month Gulf War, following Saddam's invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990. Estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths have varied wildly - up to 200,000. 1991 Tens of thousands were killed as Saddam attempted to put down a popular rebellion following his defeat by in February 1991. More than 100,000 Shias were killed; a similar number of Kurds died. About 200,000 Marsh Arabs were killed or made homeless. 1993-1998 About 3,000 prisoners were machine-gunned to death at Mahjar prison in central Baghdad And how many are glad things have changed? Yeah I know it was all about oil... and I'm glad it was otherwise nothing would have been done to stop this guy. | |||
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" you pretty much said it all there will be comments on here like / you gota be in it to win it , or / its important to vote etc etc etc but they are the gormless drones that vote in the self same party they voted out in years gone by this time they will vote in the ones they voted out last time because of the cash for questions sleaze what they dont realize is that it is the same GOVERMENT after the election as it was before it / but with a small shift of power manchester united football team might take a few players off and put a few subtitutes on but its still manchester united football team / just as the GOVERMENT is the same after the election as it was before it its all sewn up like a box of kippers and just as your pissing on your boots , i am pissing into the wind trying to explain this to the ..... gota be in it to win it brigade unless you have proportional representation 30 percent of the voters can all vote for a party without gaining ONE seat i will not vote in case someone sees me coming out of the polling station and associates me with all the other twats that vote People with views like yours scare the shit out of me. On the one hand I kind of hope you get what you disserve as your local MP... but then someone like you may be my neighbour and I have to suffer the consequences of the Government you allowed into power. "it is very interesting that people with veiws like mine scare the shit out of you if there was enough people like me it might scare the shit out of the gorverment , so that things like proportional representation might be brought in in the meantime you can carry on voting for either labour or conservative and nothing , repeat NOTHING will ever change some of us have the inteligence to be INDEPENDANT , and not have to follow like sheep and vote for a PACKAGE DEAL , or MANIFESTO that might have a few things in that you want ............... but others you dont want like i said in another thread the manifesto might say , better schools , longer holidays , higher pensions , but they will shoot your grandmother how fucking stupid a system is that lolololololololololololololololololololo | |||
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Which scares alot of those i work with.
We also have tories running staffs county council.
Hence, in their wisdom , look upon daycentres etc as bieng institutionalised and now seek to close them regardless of those old people who want the service.
We then lose bloody good staff who have been trained to within an inch of their lives and for what ? the dole queue .
Once again the tories want "private enterprise" to take over.
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" it is very interesting that people with veiws like mine scare the shit out of you if there was enough people like me it might scare the shit out of the gorverment , so that things like proportional representation might be brought in in the meantime you can carry on voting for either labour or conservative and nothing , repeat NOTHING will ever change some of us have the inteligence to be INDEPENDANT , and not have to follow like sheep and vote for a PACKAGE DEAL , or MANIFESTO that might have a few things in that you want ............... but others you dont want like i said in another thread the manifesto might say , better schools , longer holidays , higher pensions , but they will shoot your grandmother how fucking stupid a system is that lolololololololololololololololololololo" And some of us have the intelligence not only to be able to spell it but also to spot ignorance when we see it. Do you think you are changing anything for the better by abstaining from voting? Do you think any MPs care if their party is voted in by 10 million people or 10 OAP’s who thought the ballot box was a bingo hall? Does your abstaining change the manifesto of any of the parties? Does it bollox! But what it does change is the risk of minority extremists gaining positions where they can REALLY fuck up this country. There’s nothing clever about doing nothing. And there’s certainly nothing clever in selective sniping at a system and government when you are prepared to do the very least you can to change it. Doing nothing isn’t being independent, you’re more of a sheep than the voters… you’re just waiting to be told which field you’ll have to stand in.... happy grazing. | |||
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" it is very interesting that people with veiws like mine scare the shit out of you if there was enough people like me it might scare the shit out of the gorverment , so that things like proportional representation might be brought in in the meantime you can carry on voting for either labour or conservative and nothing , repeat NOTHING will ever change some of us have the inteligence to be INDEPENDANT , and not have to follow like sheep and vote for a PACKAGE DEAL , or MANIFESTO that might have a few things in that you want ............... but others you dont want like i said in another thread the manifesto might say , better schools , longer holidays , higher pensions , but they will shoot your grandmother how fucking stupid a system is that lolololololololololololololololololololo And some of us have the intelligence not only to be able to spell it but also to spot ignorance when we see it. Do you think you are changing anything for the better by abstaining from voting? Do you think any MPs care if their party is voted in by 10 million people or 10 OAP’s who thought the ballot box was a bingo hall? Does your abstaining change the manifesto of any of the parties? Does it bollox! But what it does change is the risk of minority extremists gaining positions where they can REALLY fuck up this country. There’s nothing clever about doing nothing. And there’s certainly nothing clever in selective sniping at a system and government when you are prepared to do the very least you can to change it. Doing nothing isn’t being independent, you’re more of a sheep than the voters… you’re just waiting to be told which field you’ll have to stand in.... happy grazing. " you seem to be saying that if i do not vote then it is more likely that extreemist groups will gain a stronger foot hold in other words the fact that i do not vote will bring about change in the political make up of the country have you not considered that situation might suit me just fine that is what democracy is all about you might not like political extreemists but i do and i am doing what is best to bring them to the attention of the masses so good luck to those that want to swing between the 2 main partys , first one way and then the other , and then back again for me i would like to see more radical change , and if you think that an upsurge in minority extreemists will not influence the main partys manifesto then you are wrong it has done in the past and it will do so again what makes you choose when you vote either labour , consevative , or liberal ? do you listen to there manifesto ? more police , better schools , lower crime rates , more housing dont you sometimes think that you heard it all before ? duuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | |||
" Doing nothing isn’t being independent, you’re more of a sheep than the voters… you’re just waiting to be told which field you’ll have to stand in.... happy grazing. " I don't think this has anything to do with "being Independent"..I think your missing the point, the reason many of us don't want to vote is because there is no one (or party) worth voting for. Why the fuck should I vote, whoever I vote for is going to continue sending our soliders into two illegal wars to fight and possibly die for nothing other than securing another nations natural resources...by voting for any of these bastards, I would be condoning illegal invasions and murder. Then there's the EU, have any of the parties offered a referendom? NO! And thanks to that one eyed, son of a thousand fathers, we ain't ever going to have one..you obviously don't mind having a foreign country dictate what we can & can't do. You can call me & any others with similar beliefs sheep if you like (although I don't see how) but you & those who subscribe to your rhetoric...are what I call "Mushrooms" kept in the dark and fed shit! But hey..opinions are like assholes...everybodies got one! | |||
" Doing nothing isn’t being independent, you’re more of a sheep than the voters… you’re just waiting to be told which field you’ll have to stand in.... happy grazing. I don't think this has anything to do with "being Independent"..I think your missing the point, the reason many of us don't want to vote is because there is no one (or party) worth voting for. Why the fuck should I vote, whoever I vote for is going to continue sending our soliders into two illegal wars to fight and possibly die for nothing other than securing another nations natural resources...by voting for any of these bastards, I would be condoning illegal invasions and murder. Then there's the EU, have any of the parties offered a referendom? NO! And thanks to that one eyed, son of a thousand fathers, we ain't ever going to have one..you obviously don't mind having a foreign country dictate what we can & can't do. You can call me & any others with similar beliefs sheep if you like (although I don't see how) but you & those who subscribe to your rhetoric...are what I call "Mushrooms" kept in the dark and fed shit! But hey..opinions are like assholes...everybodies got one!" Well I'll refer back to an earlier post of mine and ask why, if you are so vocal about the lack of someone to vote for. Don't you put your money where your mouth is, get of your arse and stand yourself?. I've seen first hand what apathy can do, it lets the likes of the BNP gain a foothold, now that's not the counrty I want to live in. | |||
" you might not like political extreemists but i do and i am doing what is best to bring them to the attention of the masses " If that is the case then why not have the courage of your convictions and vote for them? | |||
" I don't think this has anything to do with "being Independent"..I think your missing the point, ... " Nope, I don't think I missed it... he typed it in capitals. " You can call me & any others with similar beliefs sheep if you like (although I don't see how) " It's easy, I do it like this... 'sheep'. Just as easy as calling voters sheep. " But hey..opinions are like assholes...everybodies got one!" Indeed, it's just that some produce more shit than others. | |||
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" .... And you say that you fought so that others can live in a democratic society...democracy is not something that you can export..democracy starts from within, & I'm pretty sure that the families of the 1.2 million Iraqis who died as a result of this illegal war would be more than happy for you to keep your democracy and return their loved ones. Really 1978-1979 Up to 7,000 Iraqi communists were executed by orders of the Ba'athist regime. The specific atrocity for which Saddam was hanged: 148 Shias were murdered in the village of Dujail. 1984 Up to 4,000 political prisoners in Abu Ghraib jail were tortured and killed. Saddam's favoured methods of torture included cutting off genitalia, gouging out eyes and acid baths. 1980-1988 Some 1.7m died on both sides during the Iran-Iraq war, started by Saddam. 1987-1989 At least 100,000 Kurds were slaughtered in the so-called Anfal campaign. Some were gassed, others cast alive into mass graves. 1988 On March 16, in the worst single atrocity of the Anfal campaign, 5,000 Kurds were killed when Saddam ordered planes to drop a mixture of mustard gas and the nerve agent sarin on the town of Halabja. 1990-1991 About 25,000 Iraqi troops are thought to have died in the seven-month Gulf War, following Saddam's invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990. Estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths have varied wildly - up to 200,000. 1991 Tens of thousands were killed as Saddam attempted to put down a popular rebellion following his defeat by in February 1991. More than 100,000 Shias were killed; a similar number of Kurds died. About 200,000 Marsh Arabs were killed or made homeless. 1993-1998 About 3,000 prisoners were machine-gunned to death at Mahjar prison in central Baghdad And how many are glad things have changed? Yeah I know it was all about oil... and I'm glad it was otherwise nothing would have been done to stop this guy. " Strange how your able to document all of Saddams attrocities, yet you failed to mention who put the bastard in power in the first place, In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA- organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq's secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists ( I think that could be the 7000 you mentioned earlier) and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim (Iraqs leader) and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA's close friends in Iraq. Let's not forget the gassing of thousands of Kurds..a disgusting and Nazi like act of genocide, but let's not forget who sold the chemical & biological weapons to him. WMD shipments from the US & the UK to Iraq continued long after the mass gassing of Kurds in Halabja..which would make both governments complicit in these crime against humanity....did you forget about that bit? 1990-1991 About 25,000 Iraqi troops are thought to have died in the seven-month Gulf War, following Saddam's invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990. Estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths have varied wildly - up to 200,000. Er..I think you've got your facts a little muddled, it wasn't 200,000 Iraqi civilian deaths....it was over 500,000 innocent Iraqi,s most of whom were children under the age of 5yrs... they died because of the SANCTIONS imposed on Iraq by the UN..which were instigated by the US & the UK because "apparently" Saddam had gone into KuwaitI hospitals and had taken the babies out of their incubators, thrown them on the floor and stole the incubators from the Kuwaiti hospitals...this was the argument put forth by G.Bush snr & was broadcasted worldwide...only later did we (those who research) find out that the whole episode was a crock of shit. Reaseach it yourself! If our government is so concerned with human rights atrocities, and participating in illegal "Regime Change" for the benifit of the people..why havnt we gone into N.Korea, or Zimbabwe..or how about China..or even the Ivory Coast? The UN published a report on the countries with the worst human rights...Iraq was number 15 out of 20.. The countries I listed above were all in the top 5 And finally..I just want to reiterate the fact that Saddam was put in power by the west, and our governments put him there to serve their own interests...even though they knew he was a murdering bastard, So what does that say about our governments? | |||
" I don't think this has anything to do with "being Independent"..I think your missing the point, ... Nope, I don't think I missed it... he typed it in capitals. You can call me & any others with similar beliefs sheep if you like (although I don't see how) It's easy, I do it like this... 'sheep'. Just as easy as calling voters sheep. But hey..opinions are like assholes...everybodies got one! Indeed, it's just that some produce more shit than others. " Good point, but I'd rather produce it, than be fed it, but who am I to judge those who enjoy eating up the banquet of bullshit served by our government...just don't get pissed at me simply because I ain't hungry! | |||
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"I’m well aware of the history behind Saddam. So as for what does it say about our governments… well in my opinion it says they fucked up, realised they fucked up and eventually did something about the even bigger fuck up which was well and truly on the cards. And as I previously said … I know it was about oil and I’m glad they did it. Not just to eliminate the fuck up of Saddam but so I can drive my car, heat my house, and afford to buy a pack of bin-liners. " Although I find it quite disturbing that you try & justify the murder of over 1.5million (& counting) innocent people because you want your binliners, your car & a warm house...I have to admire your honesty...if I felt the same way, I doubt I'd have the balls to express in public such a blatant disregard for human life over some plastic bags & and a cheaper British gas bill! But each to their own..it's 2.42am so I'll finish this tomorrow..might be better if I send it to you I. Private..I'm sure other members are getting bored! | |||
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" And finally..I just want to reiterate the fact that Saddam was put in power by the west, and our governments put him there to serve their own interests...even though they knew he was a murdering bastard, So what does that say about our governments? " Only someone incredibly niave believes that any government anywhere in the world is altruistic. Power seekers are drawn to control like a moth to a flame, they cannot help it, and 'the people' are merely the vehicle that they use to obtain power. They'll campaign that they are the best person for the job and that things will be different once you give them the power they so desperately crave. But it's just words, just a tool to use to get that power. Once they've obtained power they can dispense with the niceties and get on with the job that drives them most - keeping that power. We're fortunate here in the so called civilised west, we can cap the amount of power our leaders have because we've fought and died for it. We're educated enough to know when someone is taking diabolical liberties with us and we have limited power to end that. Opposition parties too have been granted power, and it's that power that enforces our wishes should a sitting government turn hostile towards it's own people. The Opposition is the electorate's natural bedfellow. We're fortunate though. The people of countries, like Iraq, Sierra Leone et al, have been deliberately kept in the dark pool of ignorance because their leaders have realised exactly what I have just said: An educated populace is a powerful populace. Why do you think Polpot killed everyone who could read or write except his own party members in Cambodia? To keep the power, that's why. All this talk of our politican's being corrupt is 50% true. They're not of the criminal fraternity, who set out with criminal exploitation in their minds when they are elected, but once they take their seat in parliament they are shown a system whereby everyone in Westminster is riding a gravy train that has neither a driver or a guard and they're free to help themselves. You can call that corruption, or you can call it something much more suitable to what it actually is: Opportunism. If you found a bundle of banknotes in the street, £500 for example, you are duty bound to hand it in to the police. Would you though. I know I wouldn't because I can easily spend that without anyone ever realising I had it, but if it was £50,000 I'd have a lot of problems trying to explain where it came from. I still wouldn't hand it in though. I'd grasp the opportunity to see if I can keep it, and if I can't, I'd burn it. That's what politician's do. They take what they can, apologise if caught, or get rid if they think they're going to be caught. Occasionally, a couple of them are thrown to the wolves to keep the rest of the pack safe, but don't think for a second that Westminster is suddenly filled with honest politicians. They're the same people who fiddled their expenses - and they'll find ways to continue doing it. Loop holes are left in for a reason. | |||
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"ok i think im getting too personal in this post and maybe things are becoming heated , regardless of views on iraq and afghanistan , i really do feel folk should vote even if its spoiling the paper showing your disgust in some way in the polling station will do me , i dont mind who folk vote for and their reasons thats their choice and its private but for me as long as you vote i couldnt care less . bottom line i believe in democracy , i believe in action , i believe in standing up for what you think is right . so to not vote is handing politcians of all persuasions a liscence to rip the piss and when asked about your thoughts and your views i dont think you really have the right to say much as you never bothered to vote in the first place , sorry im just trying to move this all away from talk of war and back to the op's original question "My sentiments exactly, if you're not prepared to do something about it then that says it all. Any comments written on ballot papers will only be seen by the counter and when presented to the presiding officer who makes the decision whether to discard that ballot paper. There is also the opportunity to make a stand and put yourself forward for election. Change doesn't happen overnight unfortunately and is mostly a slow process but change can happen. | |||
), and if you would like to vote at any time after being struck off you have to apply to be re-registered.
It's the golden rule of sales. Take the product away. The 'product' in this instance is your right to vote. The 'sale' is a policy to ensure that almost everybody votes. | |||
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"hmmm i would remove your right to protest then , how can you have that right when you have shown no interest in the political system ? oz has voting the way it should be in my opnion , but kudous on the green part lol " You are misunderstanding what it is to live in a democratic society. The right to vote or not to vote and the right to protest or not to protest is given to us all. What if I voted in every election but I was a communist and my fervent wish would be to remove the voting system altogether once The Communist Party had achieved power, thus eliminating elections entirely. I could protest against deomcratic elections (which under your scenario is acceptable because I've voted) but my long term aim would be to remove elections forever. Now, do I have the right to protest and the right to vote considering what my aims are? For the record, I am NOT a commie and I do vote, but I recognise the rights of those who choose not to. | |||
