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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ? "
Yes but someone has to do it, and a jobs a job people need to work, what if nobody wanted to join the army?
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ?
Yes but someone has to do it, and a jobs a job people need to work, what if nobody wanted to join the army?
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they would bring back conscription?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ? "
Of course you want to sound controversial,you would'nt have overdosed on the question marks if you did'nt |
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ? "
Cock! Living in Salisbury? Take it you've found your missus getting banged by squaddies again and are feeling bitter? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes"
Really ? You need to ask that question.
Take a look on the news then that will answer your question.  |
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I know a lot of people that have been out in the war zones over the last 15 or so years as I used to work in a garrison town, before that I was too young to really know much about it all apart from wearing my poppy for Remembrance Day.
Yes they know that they are signing up for possibly going to war but from what I understand no amount of training can prepare you for being in an actual war zone.
They are heroes in my eyes and any money raised can't be a bad thing x |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"its been suggested that HFH is taking alot of money away from the British Legion and the poppy appeal.
so is it a case of the same amount of money is being given but going to different charities??"
There was clearly a _iew that the Legion was a bit dated and out of touch with the 21st century but surely the answer was to update the RBL, not set up a 'trendy' alternative. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes
Really ? You need to ask that question.
Take a look on the news then that will answer your question. "
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ? "
nothing 'controversial' with asking such a question on an open forum but bit of a contradictory stance perhaps to say you raise money but seem to question the principle in general..??
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"its been suggested that HFH is taking alot of money away from the British Legion and the poppy appeal.
so is it a case of the same amount of money is being given but going to different charities??
There was clearly a _iew that the Legion was a bit dated and out of touch with the 21st century but surely the answer was to update the RBL, not set up a 'trendy' alternative."
maybe now the RBL will do so in response to H4H ..
in any case its all good if funds are being raised by whomever for any good cause.. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"its been suggested that HFH is taking alot of money away from the British Legion and the poppy appeal.
so is it a case of the same amount of money is being given but going to different charities??
There was clearly a _iew that the Legion was a bit dated and out of touch with the 21st century but surely the answer was to update the RBL, not set up a 'trendy' alternative.
maybe now the RBL will do so in response to H4H ..
in any case its all good if funds are being raised by whomever for any good cause.."
I hope you're right. There's no doubt the appearance of certain personalities has raised the profile of service charities and perhaps we'll look back a few years after the final withdrawal from Afghanistan and do a financial sum regarding both organisations.
In the meantime, we seems to have two hands reaching out into the same pocket, and two loads of admin charges to boot. |
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Help for Heroes should not be necessary.
Its an absolute disgrace that our wounded and disabled service personnel require charity!
Our government place them in harms way in our name and our government should provide for all their needs when harm befalls them. |
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"In the meantime, we seems to have two hands reaching out into the same pocket, and two loads of admin charges to boot."
anyone would think that the good aims of all the 'Charities' when set up didn't take into account the almost Corporate like status that some have now developed..
with the high salaries needed to attract the 'right staff'..
Hmm...
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"Help for Heroes should not be necessary.
Its an absolute disgrace that our wounded and disabled service personnel require charity!
Our government place them in harms way in our name and our government should provide for all their needs when harm befalls them. "
like the lie that was the 'Land fit for heroes' post WW1..
the stats post the FI that by the 25th anniversary of the end of that conflict more FI veterans had committed suicide than had died in action does not bode well for those who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan..
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"RBL v H4h two diff charities.
RBL helps all Families and the injured
H4H only helps those injured "
A lot of folk don't see a distinction and, having given to one, don't see the need to give to the other. |
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"its been suggested that HFH is taking alot of money away from the British Legion and the poppy appeal.
so is it a case of the same amount of money is being given but going to different charities??
There was clearly a _iew that the Legion was a bit dated and out of touch with the 21st century but surely the answer was to update the RBL, not set up a 'trendy' alternative.
maybe now the RBL will do so in response to H4H ..
in any case its all good if funds are being raised by whomever for any good cause..
I hope you're right. There's no doubt the appearance of certain personalities has raised the profile of service charities and perhaps we'll look back a few years after the final withdrawal from Afghanistan and do a financial sum regarding both organisations.
In the meantime, we seems to have two hands reaching out into the same pocket, and two loads of admin charges to boot."
maybe they could join forces so to speak? only one lot of admin charges and the money raised could be distributed evenly between both beneficiaries?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes"
Are you serious!!!!!! I find what your insinuating quite offensive, youve obviously made these statements to get a reaction and i wont justify what your saying by rising to it. Sad,sad individual. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes
Are you serious!!!!!! I find what your insinuating quite offensive, youve obviously made these statements to get a reaction and i wont justify what your saying by rising to it. Sad,sad individual. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes
Are you serious!!!!!! I find what your insinuating quite offensive, youve obviously made these statements to get a reaction and i wont justify what your saying by rising to it. Sad,sad individual.
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for me the avatar sums the OP up perfectly |
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By *gt bobMan
over a year ago
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& i suppose if u fell or injured urself in the work place & cud,nt work again ,u,d be ok with walking away with nothing,yes they know the risks,,& take them to protect from foreign or domestic,all hero,s for stepping up to the mark |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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1 they are all braver than me.
2 if injured: mentally or physical, all the help in the world & it should not be from charities.
3 do I have them all on a pedestal: No.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Help for Heroes is there in the shortcomings of state care, for those that take the risks to protect us and other countries that cannot protect themselves from tyranny and oppression.
If that sacrifice doesn't warrant the proper support from their own government, which seems to be the case, HFH is most definitely necessary.
But you dont join the forces with the assurance that if you get blown to smithereens, then someone will fork out to supply you with rehab and fake limbs or wheelchairs. You do it because it's what you feel is right, or because unlike unemployment, it should provide you with a wage, a prospective future and a bit of respect. |
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes
Are you serious!!!!!! I find what your insinuating quite offensive, youve obviously made these statements to get a reaction and i wont justify what your saying by rising to it. Sad,sad individual. "
As a mother of a female serving currently in Afghan I'm going to refrain at this juncture or will be forever banned!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We find it Incredulous that a charity has to offer what central Government Should be doing, after all they are their Employees and they Sent them !!"
This this and this |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"We find it Incredulous that a charity has to offer what central Government Should be doing, after all they are their Employees and they Sent them !!"
But that's how governments have worked recently.
Provide the absolute basic minimum and is anything more is wanted - turn to charity.
That why the likes of the RNLI, the mountain rescue teams, researchers into cancer, provision of high tech scanners in hospitals and so on. All made possible only by charitable donations. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ? "
so if you were injured at work you would not want compensation, of course you won't you would just sit back and think that's what I worked for that company for, ffs get real |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I must admit, I'm a bit clueless about what happens when a serviceman/woman gets injured on duty - maybe someone can enlighten me? Do they not get any kind of payment, or ill-health pension if injured too badly to work again? If only a minor injury, but one that stops them from doing front-line duties - are they offered a "desk job" or similar? Surely they're not just booted out of the military with no back-up if they can no longer fulfil any role within their employer's service? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ?
so if you were injured at work you would not want compensation, of course you won't you would just sit back and think that's what I worked for that company for, ffs get real"
That's not really the issue here though. For those discharged the service there's the Armed Forces Compensation Scheme, although everyone accepts its far from perfect.
The stuff the charities do is supposed to be that wee bit extra.
The real question is that if HMG reckons you're too poorly to serve, should you have to fight for a share of the (inevitably) limited resources the charities can access?
The answer, I'd have thought, is obviously no. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ?
so if you were injured at work you would not want compensation, of course you won't you would just sit back and think that's what I worked for that company for, ffs get real
That's not really the issue here though. For those discharged the service there's the Armed Forces Compensation Scheme, although everyone accepts its far from perfect.
The stuff the charities do is supposed to be that wee bit extra.
The real question is that if HMG reckons you're too poorly to serve, should you have to fight for a share of the (inevitably) limited resources the charities can access?
The answer, I'd have thought, is obviously no."
Of course it's the question here, he said surely they knew the risk, ie why should they get help from who ever, |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I must admit, I'm a bit clueless about what happens when a serviceman/woman gets injured on duty - maybe someone can enlighten me? Do they not get any kind of payment, or ill-health pension if injured too badly to work again? If only a minor injury, but one that stops them from doing front-line duties - are they offered a "desk job" or similar? Surely they're not just booted out of the military with no back-up if they can no longer fulfil any role within their employer's service?"
Yes there is a compensation for those injured, however it's not as much as other services may receive, and those who have to leave the army would get a pension. But i think it's more about the lack of support once they have left, and yes some depending on their injury maybe offered a role in a training establishment, but you must remember they are soldiers foremost and some can't adjust from.doing the job they have been trained for |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ?
so if you were injured at work you would not want compensation, of course you won't you would just sit back and think that's what I worked for that company for, ffs get real
That's not really the issue here though. For those discharged the service there's the Armed Forces Compensation Scheme, although everyone accepts its far from perfect.
The stuff the charities do is supposed to be that wee bit extra.
The real question is that if HMG reckons you're too poorly to serve, should you have to fight for a share of the (inevitably) limited resources the charities can access?
The answer, I'd have thought, is obviously no.
Of course it's the question here, he said surely they knew the risk, ie why should they get help from who ever,"
I didn't say it wasn't the question.
I said it wasn't the issue.
There's a difference. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes"
Taking the shilling was a form of press ganging, which is hardly voluntary. Recruiters used to get a man d*unk and press a shilling in his hand, thus signing him up. A shilling was the daily pay of a soldier.
As for "why should we help them, they know what they signed up for"? We should support our soldiers, sailors and airmen every step of the way. Whether we support our politicians who send them to war with equipment that is not fit for purpose, or indeed to wars that we may not think we should be in, is another question. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But why are they classed as heros , they took the queens shilling , as the saying goes
Are you serious!!!!!! I find what your insinuating quite offensive, youve obviously made these statements to get a reaction and i wont justify what your saying by rising to it. Sad,sad individual.
for me the avatar sums the OP up perfectly "
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By (user no longer on site)
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The British armed forces are volounteers the BEST armed forces in the world ! Its not a job its a vocation how many jobs have the highest risk of death! We shouldnt need any charity support but until any government has the balls to pay for self sacrifice ...charities will be needed. To those nay sayers and anti forces ppl just think without their sacrifices would you be free to voice your _iews .. ..however ill formed? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ? "
yes they know the risks . But it's the fact they are prepared to take them. Which is why they deserve every little bit of help they can get. It's not for everyone and god knows a lot of people could not do some of the shit jobs they have to do or handle the things they have to see. Let alone spend 6 months of the year every year out of the country missing their children growing up and their loved ones. Of course if you don't think they deserve the help they get and it's a easy job. Maybe you could volunteer for a 6 month placement and see just what they do. An then you can really make your mind up and see if they deserve it. Failing that a quick trip to Hedley Court the defence medical rehab centre ! May sway you when you see these young guys. Some as young as 18/19 missing limbs and life change disabilities, let alone the emotional scars !
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"I dont want to sound controversial , but surely they know the risks associated with the job ?
so if you were injured at work you would not want compensation, of course you won't you would just sit back and think that's what I worked for that company for, ffs get real
That's not really the issue here though. For those discharged the service there's the Armed Forces Compensation Scheme, although everyone accepts its far from perfect.
The stuff the charities do is supposed to be that wee bit extra.
The real question is that if HMG reckons you're too poorly to serve, should you have to fight for a share of the (inevitably) limited resources the charities can access?
The answer, I'd have thought, is obviously no.
Of course it's the question here, he said surely they knew the risk, ie why should they get help from who ever,
I didn't say it wasn't the question.
I said it wasn't the issue.
There's a difference."
Question / Issue it's still wrong to say they new the risk when they joined the forces, and yes in an ideal world none of us would rely on charity, but we don't
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" yes they know the risks . But it's the fact they are prepared to take them. Which is why they deserve every little bit of help they can get. It's not for everyone and god knows a lot of people could not do some of the shit jobs they have to do or handle the things they have to see. Let alone spend 6 months of the year every year out of the country missing their children growing up and their loved ones. Of course if you don't think they deserve the help they get and it's a easy job. Maybe you could volunteer for a 6 month placement and see just what they do. An then you can really make your mind up and see if they deserve it. Failing that a quick trip to Hedley Court the defence medical rehab centre ! May sway you when you see these young guys. Some as young as 18/19 missing limbs and life change disabilities, let alone the emotional scars !
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