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By *ugby 123 OP Couple
over a year ago
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After the rape and murder of a young girl who was groomed on Facebook, would you ban your child from network sites?
There is a woman on the Wright stuff right now saying she saw on her 14 year old daughters facebook ,photo's of her in states of undress.
Do you check your kids facebook?
Do facebook do enough to keep kids safe? |
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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago
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I can't understand the ethos of any networking site. OK they are a good way to keep in touch with friends and family but they are so dangerous in the wrong hands. Just wonders what kind of people set these sites up and what their agenda is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My eldest is fast aproaching her teen years and tbh I am dreading when she is old enough to join the social networking sites.
I believe it is MY job to watch what my kids are doing when they are online, what sites they are on and who they are chatting to. No one elses MINE alone.
I think cos you supposedly cant join Facebook til you are 13 that Facebook think the people using it are old enough to understand how to report people or profiles. I also think that the people behind Facebook think that by the time teenagers are on the site that someone has explained about what to give out and what not to.
HOWEVER I am in an ongoing battle with my childrens school cos my eldest is being told to use a facebook type site for school age children with nothing having been explained and no tutoring about what to do if you feel something is wrong.
But I will check my daughters Facebook pages when they are old enough to have them, since we (hubby and I) are the only ones who can stop our kids being taken advantage of.
Also as a parent I have looked at the COEP website (the one behind the Flag It Report It scheme) and shown it to my daughter she and I are of the opinion it is not a very well thought thru idea - you have to be able to write what you think is wrong often children and teenagers have problems making themselves understood, so maybe it is a good idea but a poorly thought out one.
Shona
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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yes i check my daughters face book i make sure she only has her school friends and family on her friends list , it is a very scary world out there even us adults have to be carefull xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree Shona, however I believe you cna access Facebook before 13 as my 10 yr old neice is on it everyday.
Granted she is only on to access Farmville and chat to me across the other side of the Atlantic.
But I'm glad my brother and his wife are very prudent when it comes to her internet usage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it. |
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By *ugby 123 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"My eldest is fast aproaching her teen years and tbh I am dreading when she is old enough to join the social networking sites.
I believe it is MY job to watch what my kids are doing when they are online, what sites they are on and who they are chatting to. No one elses MINE alone.
I think cos you supposedly cant join Facebook til you are 13 that Facebook think the people using it are old enough to understand how to report people or profiles. I also think that the people behind Facebook think that by the time teenagers are on the site that someone has explained about what to give out and what not to.
HOWEVER I am in an ongoing battle with my childrens school cos my eldest is being told to use a facebook type site for school age children with nothing having been explained and no tutoring about what to do if you feel something is wrong.
But I will check my daughters Facebook pages when they are old enough to have them, since we (hubby and I) are the only ones who can stop our kids being taken advantage of.
Also as a parent I have looked at the COEP website (the one behind the Flag It Report It scheme) and shown it to my daughter she and I are of the opinion it is not a very well thought thru idea - you have to be able to write what you think is wrong often children and teenagers have problems making themselves understood, so maybe it is a good idea but a poorly thought out one.
Shona
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I agree , I think the ultimate responsibility to teach our kids about dangers is the parents...but what would happen ( god forbid ) if they kids took no notice of you because that person they are talking to seems "nice" and all what you have said goes out of the window? It can happen. |
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By *ugby 123 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it."
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My daughter uses facebook after the deal that I have her pass word and I can check who she talking to. Not just pedos that use the sites but bullys too scary world out there but cant stop my children growing up. |
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it.
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC?"
It wouldn't stop adults pretending to be children.... but it would make it more difficult for adults to just make up a name and join as anyone they want. |
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By *ugby 123 OP Couple
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it.
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC?
It wouldn't stop adults pretending to be children.... but it would make it more difficult for adults to just make up a name and join as anyone they want."
Wouldn't they then have to check every account that was made up? I could say I have a son of 7, make an account, use my CC to verify it, then set the permission to speak to adults.
Ok eventually if something happened it would be investigated , but I am not sure how any "childs" account that was made up can be checked. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You are right Anton there is no check to prove you are over 13 when setting up a facebook or bebo and I imagine myspace is the same (I cant think of any others right now lol) so in reality anyone can say they are any age - my daughter also has friends (aged 11) who have facebook accounts. I always say I dont care what other kids are allowed I am your parent I make the rules, and until you have your own kids you have no idea how much I am protecting you. She doesnt care tho I am just the spoil sport nagging mum 
Rugby if my daughter disobeyed me she knows she would be punished by losing the net and phone. In my home the internet is a privelege NOT a right.
Both my daughters use the net they know what will happen if they go against my rules (hubby always checks what sites they have been on just in case I was called away and they thought they could get away with it lol) and only once have I had to punish the oldest for ignoring the rules. She wasnt best pleased when she was found out and lost her mobile and her net, which she needed for homework 2 days later and I still refused I made her do the research the old fashioned way - with books 
I believe that online is a very scary place for kids today - well when I was young we only had to worry about stranger danger now the strangers can get into my house and sit in my front room with me not knowing, so I am extra careful.
Saying that I also have always used news reports (such as the one that prompted this thread) to explain why I do certain things, why I need to know where they are at all times and why my eldest should never go out with mates without her mobile, as well as saying see thats why Im a nagging mum.
I would hate to think that something happened to my daughters cos I was ignoring the dangers out there.
Shona
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it.
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC?
It wouldn't stop adults pretending to be children.... but it would make it more difficult for adults to just make up a name and join as anyone they want.
Wouldn't they then have to check every account that was made up? I could say I have a son of 7, make an account, use my CC to verify it, then set the permission to speak to adults.
Ok eventually if something happened it would be investigated , but I am not sure how any "childs" account that was made up can be checked."
Like I say, it won't stop adults pretending ... but it does make a link to an adult should anything be reported... unless they go to the trouble of getting a cloned credit card.
Paedos won’t want their true identity being easily connected to a grooming account.
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By *ugby 123 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"You are right Anton there is no check to prove you are over 13 when setting up a facebook or bebo and I imagine myspace is the same (I cant think of any others right now lol) so in reality anyone can say they are any age - my daughter also has friends (aged 11) who have facebook accounts. I always say I dont care what other kids are allowed I am your parent I make the rules, and until you have your own kids you have no idea how much I am protecting you. She doesnt care tho I am just the spoil sport nagging mum
Rugby if my daughter disobeyed me she knows she would be punished by losing the net and phone. In my home the internet is a privelege NOT a right.
Both my daughters use the net they know what will happen if they go against my rules (hubby always checks what sites they have been on just in case I was called away and they thought they could get away with it lol) and only once have I had to punish the oldest for ignoring the rules. She wasnt best pleased when she was found out and lost her mobile and her net, which she needed for homework 2 days later and I still refused I made her do the research the old fashioned way - with books
I believe that online is a very scary place for kids today - well when I was young we only had to worry about stranger danger now the strangers can get into my house and sit in my front room with me not knowing, so I am extra careful.
Saying that I also have always used news reports (such as the one that prompted this thread) to explain why I do certain things, why I need to know where they are at all times and why my eldest should never go out with mates without her mobile, as well as saying see thats why Im a nagging mum.
I would hate to think that something happened to my daughters cos I was ignoring the dangers out there.
Shona
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I did all the same things when we first got the internet. It was a while back now when they were younger but we had all the same rules as you...and if they had broken any of them we would have took it away just like you.
I drummed it into them so much they were sick of me, but I have found out a few months ago, that the internet was how my youngest met her first boyfriend, she had gone to meet a stranger , although it was through the day and in a public place ( she had the sense to do that) she had gone against everything I had asked her not to do as no one would have known where she was.
She knows it was the wrong thing to do, but at the time he "persuaded " her to meet anyway.
As it happened he was a normal lad and they dated for quite a while, but I was mortified when I found out.
There is only so much we can do to protect them. |
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By *ugby 123 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it.
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC?
It wouldn't stop adults pretending to be children.... but it would make it more difficult for adults to just make up a name and join as anyone they want.
Wouldn't they then have to check every account that was made up? I could say I have a son of 7, make an account, use my CC to verify it, then set the permission to speak to adults.
Ok eventually if something happened it would be investigated , but I am not sure how any "childs" account that was made up can be checked.
Like I say, it won't stop adults pretending ... but it does make a link to an adult should anything be reported... unless they go to the trouble of getting a cloned credit card.
Paedos won’t want their true identity being easily connected to a grooming account.
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Exactly, too many flaws with it..although a great idea as a starting point from Wishy. |
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By *oobCouple
over a year ago
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Even scarier these days is the new internet phenomena "chatroulette" .....
You get connected with webcams at random around the world.
Tried it out for a couple of minutes the other day, must have seen three or more blokes tugging their toggers, but more disturbingly, groups of kids also checking out the cams.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is in awful thing to happen, but I can't see how facebook or any other site can do anything to make it safer, or be held accountable.
Surely it is down to the parents to make sure their children understand the dangers of the world, just like a modern version of "don't talk to strangers who offer you sweets" |
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it.
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC?"
How many of these pervs would want to use a credit card that would expose their real identity though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it.
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC?
It wouldn't stop adults pretending to be children.... but it would make it more difficult for adults to just make up a name and join as anyone they want.
Wouldn't they then have to check every account that was made up? I could say I have a son of 7, make an account, use my CC to verify it, then set the permission to speak to adults.
Ok eventually if something happened it would be investigated , but I am not sure how any "childs" account that was made up can be checked.
Like I say, it won't stop adults pretending ... but it does make a link to an adult should anything be reported... unless they go to the trouble of getting a cloned credit card.
Paedos won’t want their true identity being easily connected to a grooming account.
Exactly, too many flaws with it..although a great idea as a starting point from Wishy."
It's the same argument as surfaced a few years ago with regards to online porn. Either the ISPs/SocNets police themselves or face a much more rigourous policing regime from the powers that be. Facebook makes a serious amount of money and if it means spending a % of that revenue to protect it's younger members - future adult members, don't forget - then that's exactly what FB needs to do. |
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By *ugby 123 OP Couple
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"I don't see why the parents of children that wish to use social networking sites cannot verify the accounts with a token £1 charge to a credit card. Likewise, adults should pay the same charge to verify themselves to establish their identity.
It's then just a simple use of technology to ensure that users with adult accounts can not talk to children unless the child's parent approves it.
I am guessing a lot of parents wouldn't mind doing that, but would that just mean any adult can start a childs account and use their own CC?
It wouldn't stop adults pretending to be children.... but it would make it more difficult for adults to just make up a name and join as anyone they want.
Wouldn't they then have to check every account that was made up? I could say I have a son of 7, make an account, use my CC to verify it, then set the permission to speak to adults.
Ok eventually if something happened it would be investigated , but I am not sure how any "childs" account that was made up can be checked.
Like I say, it won't stop adults pretending ... but it does make a link to an adult should anything be reported... unless they go to the trouble of getting a cloned credit card.
Paedos won’t want their true identity being easily connected to a grooming account.
Exactly, too many flaws with it..although a great idea as a starting point from Wishy.
It's the same argument as surfaced a few years ago with regards to online porn. Either the ISPs/SocNets police themselves or face a much more rigourous policing regime from the powers that be. Facebook makes a serious amount of money and if it means spending a % of that revenue to protect it's younger members - future adult members, don't forget - then that's exactly what FB needs to do."
I would agree. There is only so much a parent can do. Children can be tempted even with the strictest of rules they have from their parents....and if they are more strict on the social sites then surely all it can do is help stop any wrong doing. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I can't understand the ethos of any networking site. OK they are a good way to keep in touch with friends and family but they are so dangerous in the wrong hands. Just wonders what kind of people set these sites up and what their agenda is."
I can tell you the background behind facebook... it was originally set up so that University students could keep in contact with each other... so at the beginning you could only join with a university e-mail address...
it was only after that was a sucess that it was opened up to everyone else |
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By (user no longer on site)
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my son has face book
and i have his user name and password for it
i regularly check who wonts to be his friend and if i dont know them i ignor them
if they persisit then they get a block and reported harsh i know but its my kids that im thinking of |
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By (user no longer on site)
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my daughter has bebo but its very closely monitored. i have her password i check it daily when i check my own and anyone who i dont know as in school friends or family they get blocked.
same with her msn i have the conversation saver on so i can check what has been said etc.
as i parent i feel i need to be vigilant when she is on the net the same as i am vigilant when she is outside or with her phone.
you can get nanny software that blocks access to certain sites as well as the security functions on computers.
its a sign on the times and advances with technology which mean you always have to be aware .
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