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"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? " Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff. | |||
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And a chinese bloke who spent the 4 hours complaining that it wasnt his fault he got done.
Still I learned some stuff and more than £5 cheaper where I took it. Look around some places charge less than others.
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"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff." 60mph | |||
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" Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff." But the speed limit on a motorway is 70 mph isn't it? | |||
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"If you're worried of being bored take the fine and points, then you can carry on with your life. " I wish I had ! | |||
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" Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff. But the speed limit on a motorway is 70 mph isn't it?" Not in roadworks or where there are variable speed limit gantrys. | |||
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" Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff. But the speed limit on a motorway is 70 mph isn't it? Not in roadworks or where there are variable speed limit gantrys." 
That's my point. She was obviously ignoring reduced speed notices. | |||
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"Then stick to the limit." So you have never ever broken the law on the road ..? I have yet to be caught.. so have a squeeky clean licence... I do think that on smaller roads Speeding is not good and am all for residential narrow roads being 20mph limits... But the big roads.. motorways for one... I think it's about time limits were increased... Speed isn't normally an issue... But driving inability at those speeds... | |||
"The signs are there for a reason. Take note o r pay the price. " I did - but I refuse to believe there's a single driver on the road who hasn't done a few mph over the limit. EVER. And as I said, it wasn't the penalty that hacked me off but the inconsistencies. Either it's an offence or it isn't surely? | |||
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"I live in the country and there his been an accident on every road . Speed has been the cause of 90% of these accidents." *sigh* no it hasnt, not driving to the surrounding conditions has been the cause of ALL of these accidents. speed is only a contributing factor. otherwise, as soon as a vehicle moves it would be involved in a crash. do you hit someone elses car as soon as the speedo strays over the limit? of course you dont. its never as simple as 'he was speeding, thats why he crashed' | |||
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"I live in the country and there his been an accident on every road . Speed has been the cause of 90% of these accidents. *sigh* no it hasnt, not driving to the surrounding conditions has been the cause of ALL of these accidents. speed is only a contributing factor. otherwise, as soon as a vehicle moves it would be involved in a crash. do you hit someone elses car as soon as the speedo strays over the limit? of course you dont. its never as simple as 'he was speeding, thats why he crashed'"
The whole speed kills thing is part of the dumbing down and brainwashing the general populous. | |||
Been there, done that. | |||
"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. ." really? 90% of crashes in your country (guessing the same one as mine) you have attended all of these accidents and know for sure that if they had been going slower they wouldnt have crashed? funny because lorries only go 56 and they still crash. i crashed into a wall last year, in the snow and wasnt doing much more than 20, so i wasnt speeding, as the limit was 30. some dont need dumbing down or brain washing as they are already there | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? " You naughty boy!!! bend over so I can spank you  | |||
"The signs are there for a reason" The way speed limits are set and managed in this country is ridiculous. If the powers that be actually cared about road safety they would fix and maintain the roads properly and make advanced driving skills courses more accessible and cheaper. Of course, those things cost money whereas setting low limits and fining people for breaking them, even if they are driving safely, makes money. However, the cost to the emergency services and the health service of a major incident is huge. I wonder if anyone in the government has analysed what maintaining the roads would cost versus the overall saving in emergency and health response. Unfortunately our government never looks at the big picture. It's all about departments trying to minimise their own costs even if it causes much larger expense to other departments. I'd like to see a bit more "big picture" thinking when it comes to public money. | |||
"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life. A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off. I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is." The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more... | |||
"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life. A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off. I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is. The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more..." The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments. | |||
"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. . really? 90% of crashes in your country (guessing the same one as mine) you have attended all of these accidents and know for sure that if they had been going slower they wouldnt have crashed? funny because lorries only go 56 and they still crash. i crashed into a wall last year, in the snow and wasnt doing much more than 20, so i wasnt speeding, as the limit was 30. some dont need dumbing down or brain washing as they are already there" well ask your self this question had you been driveing slower would you have crashed ..... me thinks not . | |||
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"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u Think tortoise an hare who won " better to arive late than never . start out early . | |||
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"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. . really? 90% of crashes in your country (guessing the same one as mine) you have attended all of these accidents and know for sure that if they had been going slower they wouldnt have crashed? funny because lorries only go 56 and they still crash. i crashed into a wall last year, in the snow and wasnt doing much more than 20, so i wasnt speeding, as the limit was 30. some dont need dumbing down or brain washing as they are already there well ask your self this question had you been driveing slower would you have crashed ..... me thinks not . " but i wasnt speeding. i was on a 30 mph road doing between 20-25 mph. i wasnt driving to the road conditions and made a sharp movement. so no, i didnt crash because i was speeding, i crashed because i wasnt driving to the conditions of the road. hence saying speed is a 'contributing factor' but not THE reason for most accidents. how many people do you see driving under the speed limit in fog, but without lights on? or in the pissing rain without them on too? asking to be involved in an accident, but it wont be because they are driving too fast. you really need to remove those blinkers | |||
"if you start out early you get there in plenty of time , it ant good if you get done for speeding on the way to the speeding course . "It would be bloody funny though | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! " Haha. I got a notice of intended prosecution 3 days ago for doing 57 in a 50 on temporary m-way regulations. On the back if the form it's giving me the option to voluntarily attend one. I'm just wondering if I do it voluntarily they might show lenience and let me off the 3 points. | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! Haha. I got a notice of intended prosecution 3 days ago for doing 57 in a 50 on temporary m-way regulations. On the back if the form it's giving me the option to voluntarily attend one. I'm just wondering if I do it voluntarily they might show lenience and let me off the 3 points. "I don't think you get the points if you do the course. But you only get that offer once... get caught speeding again and it's points and fine. | |||
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"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring! ...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?... Good shit this law stuff! "You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help? | |||
"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life. A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off. I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is. The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more... The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments." Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!! Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car? | |||
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"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring! ...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?... Good shit this law stuff! "I did it a couple of weeks ago. If you attend the course you dont get the points. You dont have to voluntarily declare it on your insurance. If you get done again in the next 3 years you can't do another course, and youll get the points next time. Your attendance is kept on the record for 4 years - 3 years in respect of further offences, the 4th year is for research statistics only. After that its gone completely. | |||
"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u Think tortoise an hare who won " You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right? You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.  | |||
"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. ." not in all cases... what about where they pull out in front of someone... and everyone was travelling at the correct speed. Speed is not the biggest cause of accidents.. but is a good source of income. | |||
"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. . not in all cases... what about where they pull out in front of someone... and everyone was travelling at the correct speed. Speed is not the biggest cause of accidents.. but is a good source of income. " Ah but but but if they hadn't set out at all because they'd still been trying to finish their journey from two days before at 1mph they'd have been somewhere different and wouldn't have had the accident! Speed kills you know. | |||
"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u Think tortoise an hare who won You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right? You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah. "on motorways i agree. i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle. can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol | |||
"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life. A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off. I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is. The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more... The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments. Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!! Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car? " Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all . | |||
"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u Think tortoise an hare who won You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right? You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.
on motorways i agree.
i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle.
can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol"Car virtually stationary, bike moving - bike gets there quicker. Vehicle doing 20mph vs vehicle doing 40mph over the same distance - 40mph vehicle gets there quicker (assuming it isn't stolen by aliens and doesn't accidentally drive through a wormhole to another dimension). Yes, if one vehicle has an accident then the other gets there quicker BUT that's the exception rather than the rule so I can't see how anyone could think you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster. There would be no such thing as racing - motor racing, running, or whatever - if that were the case. The whole idea is to go faster to finish first! | |||
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"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring! ...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?... Good shit this law stuff!
You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?"Oh my fucking god! I was joking! I have no words.
P.s and it was this morning I said it. | |||
"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u Think tortoise an hare who won You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right? You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.
on motorways i agree.
i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle.
can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol
Car virtually stationary, bike moving - bike gets there quicker.
Vehicle doing 20mph vs vehicle doing 40mph over the same distance - 40mph vehicle gets there quicker (assuming it isn't stolen by aliens and doesn't accidentally drive through a wormhole to another dimension).
Yes, if one vehicle has an accident then the other gets there quicker BUT that's the exception rather than the rule so I can't see how anyone could think you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster.
There would be no such thing as racing - motor racing, running, or whatever - if that were the case. The whole idea is to go faster to finish first!"not at all. in a short 'race' then yes, the fastest would come first, but, with the exception of foot races, ie 10k or marathons and so on, where the variables are the same for all participants, the car would do a slower average speed due to traffic, whereas the bike wouldnt be held up by such things as it can 'scythe' its way through by filtering, so the car would do a lower average speed, even if it were to be doing higher intermittent speeds. if a car were doing 100mph as often as it could, yet gets held up in stationary traffic, or indeed, slow moving, the average speed would be lower than a bike sat steady at the speed limit and filtering see where im coming from? | |||
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"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u Think tortoise an hare who won You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right? You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.
on motorways i agree.
i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle.
can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol
Car virtually stationary, bike moving - bike gets there quicker.
Vehicle doing 20mph vs vehicle doing 40mph over the same distance - 40mph vehicle gets there quicker (assuming it isn't stolen by aliens and doesn't accidentally drive through a wormhole to another dimension).
Yes, if one vehicle has an accident then the other gets there quicker BUT that's the exception rather than the rule so I can't see how anyone could think you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster.
There would be no such thing as racing - motor racing, running, or whatever - if that were the case. The whole idea is to go faster to finish first!
not at all.
in a short 'race' then yes, the fastest would come first, but, with the exception of foot races, ie 10k or marathons and so on, where the variables are the same for all participants, the car would do a slower average speed due to traffic, whereas the bike wouldnt be held up by such things as it can 'scythe' its way through by filtering, so the car would do a lower average speed, even if it were to be doing higher intermittent speeds.
if a car were doing 100mph as often as it could, yet gets held up in stationary traffic, or indeed, slow moving, the average speed would be lower than a bike sat steady at the speed limit and filtering
see where im coming from?"Yes and I'm not arguing with you. It's you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster I have a problem with. The car would come second in your scenario but on clear sections if it goes faster, it gets there quicker. The time taken for a journey isn't about top speed, it's about average speed. If your bike reaches the end point first, your average speed was higher meaning you were faster and got there quicker. The car may have a higher top speed but in that situation, for that journey, you were faster. I completely see the point you were making though. | |||
"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring! ...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?... Good shit this law stuff!
You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?
Oh my fucking god!
I was joking!
I have no words.
P.s and it was this morning I said it. "Did you forget to put your clocks back sweetie? 19 hours ago would make it yesterday. | |||
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"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life. A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off. I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is. The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more... The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments. Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!! Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car? Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all . "Exactly! Most cars are 5-7mph out as its law that they can't under-read the speed so manufacturers calibrate them to over-read. I only enquired because yours seems awfully close and believe it or not, with tyre wear could actually end up under reading... | |||
"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring! ...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?... Good shit this law stuff!
You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?
Oh my fucking god!
I was joking!
I have no words.
P.s and it was this morning I said it.
Did you forget to put your clocks back sweetie? 19 hours ago would make it yesterday.
" 
Trust me..I'm not a solicitor.
If you think trolling me in this thread anf the other one, is gonna make me say "oooh yes I am a solicitor" you are well out of your mind fuck league.
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"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring! ...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?... Good shit this law stuff!
You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?
Oh my fucking god!
I was joking!
I have no words.
P.s and it was this morning I said it.
Did you forget to put your clocks back sweetie? 19 hours ago would make it yesterday.
Trust me..I'm not a solicitor.
If you think trolling me in this thread anf the other one, is gonna make me say "oooh yes I am a solicitor" you are well out of your mind fuck league.
/out."are you a lawyer then? lol | |||
" are you a lawyer then? lol" No I'm not smart. | |||
" are you a lawyer then? lol No I'm not smart." bannister? sorry, barrister lol | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? " The course isn't boring, in fact if you see it as a refresher, you will learn things, for example how doing just 5 mph over the speed limit, is more likely to kill a child, than just causing injury, It is probably the best £95 you will spend, the alternative was to spend the money on a fine, and have points on your license, You were lucky to be given the chance to learn, and help keep our roads that little bit safer  | |||
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"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life. A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off. I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is. The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more... The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments. Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!! Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car? Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all .
Exactly!
Most cars are 5-7mph out as its law that they can't under-read the speed so manufacturers calibrate them to over-read. I only enquired because yours seems awfully close and believe it or not, with tyre wear could actually end up under reading..."Don't the regulations state that speedo's must read within 10% of true speed. ie 3 at 30, 4 at 40 etc So if yours is reading 37 when GPS says its doing 30 something is amiss. | |||
" you will learn things, for example how doing just 5 mph over the speed limit, is more likely to kill a child, than just causing injury." I hear this stuff trotted out a lot but nobody seems to be able to provide the peer-reviewed research, or even dodgy research, to prove it. I think it's more government propaganda to justify stupid speed limits and using them to raise money through speeding fines. A lot of the speed limits in this country were set when braking performance, handling and safety of cars was far inferior to now so I can't believe they are anything other than fairly arbitrary in most cases. Show me where it describes how to calculate the likelihood of a vehicle killing vs injuring someone based on its speed. For one thing it would depend on the type of vehicle. One word. Brainwashing. | |||
"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life. A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off. I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is. The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more... The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments. Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!! Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car? Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all .
Exactly!
Most cars are 5-7mph out as its law that they can't under-read the speed so manufacturers calibrate them to over-read. I only enquired because yours seems awfully close and believe it or not, with tyre wear could actually end up under reading...
Don't the regulations state that speedo's must read within 10% of true speed. ie 3 at 30, 4 at 40 etc
So if yours is reading 37 when GPS says its doing 30 something is amiss.
"Naa, its impossible to get them within a certain percentage and still nor have them underread the speed. So many things affect the Speedo, tyre wear, wheel size (done forget manufacturers often fit different sized wheels to the same model car and given side wall sizes of tyres are limited its mostly a compromise) and even tyre tread and wheel geometry/tracking. | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? " I had a female ex police early 50s an 5 guys UN room of 18 13 women an most were sexy | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? I had a female ex police early 50s an 5 guys UN room of 18 13 women an most were sexy " WTF? | |||
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"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!) Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??" A 60 road I meant! | |||
"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!) Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky?? A 60 road I meant!" Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP? | |||
"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!) Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky?? A 60 road I meant! Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP?" I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months! | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? " Don't knock it. Go along to the course with an open mind. I actually found it quite informative and interesting. After all, you are paying for this course. Try and get something out of it. I have been driving for over thirty years, and consider myself as an above average skilled driver, but I attended one last year. I learnt a few things and found it quite interesting. | |||
"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!) Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky?? A 60 road I meant! Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP? I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months!" Unless the rules have changed, a NIP must be sent within 2 weeks of the offence. Note - sent not necessarily received. | |||
"Did one 2 years ago and I have never been so bloody bored in all my life . Spent half of it on fab arranging a meet and was told if I was caught on my phone again I would be ejected ! "Good. | |||
"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!) Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky?? A 60 road I meant! Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP? I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months! Unless the rules have changed, a NIP must be sent within 2 weeks of the offence. Note - sent not necessarily received. " Really? That's interesting, il have to ask my mate what the date on his letter was and see if it was just a delay in the post, 3 months is abit long to wait but it is Devon and Cornwall police were dealing with here so wouldnt be surprised | |||
"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!) Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky?? A 60 road I meant! Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP? I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months! Unless the rules have changed, a NIP must be sent within 2 weeks of the offence. Note - sent not necessarily received. Really? That's interesting, il have to ask my mate what the date on his letter was and see if it was just a delay in the post, 3 months is abit long to wait but it is Devon and Cornwall police were dealing with here so wouldnt be surprised "If it's not sent within 2 weeks it isn't valid and you can tell them to sod off. There are a few exceptions so Google for more full advice. There's loads of info out there. | |||
"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!) Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky?? A 60 road I meant! Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP? I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months!" The police should serve the NIP within 14 days this may be extended if they cannot find you easily through the DVLA. | |||
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"Yes, we miscreants should learn from the good citizens on here who never, ever go a single mph over the limit "Nah, they're the ones who do it all the time but never get caught | |||
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"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? " You will learn on this course that excessive speed is a cause of 8% accidents only. I sincerely believe that actual number is even lower... | |||
"It would seem that most of the posters in this thread could do with going on the speed awareness course. Velocity... 30mph = 44 feet per SECOND, 33mph = 48.4fps, an increase of 4.4 feet. If when that damn kid steps out unexpected, in the time it would take you to say “oh shit, a damn kid has stepped out in front of me” that extra 3mph has shot you another 17 feet or so, further than you would have travelled if at 30mph. It’s a fact of physics, the higher the velocity the less time to an impending impact and upon impact much higher impact energies will be absorbed by the objects in collision. The difference between 30mph and 33mph = a 10% increase in velocity but its impact force will increase by more than 20%. @ 30mph it will take you 10 minutes to move 5 miles. @ 33mph it will take you 9.09 minutes to move 5 miles. So, by travelling @ 33mph instead of 30mph for that 5 miles, you’ll save 54.5 seconds of your life while quite dramatically increasing the risk of taking the life of someone else. The classic... “I was only doing 33mph in a 30mph BUT... it was quiet and no one was about” is a ridiculous thing to say as a defence because it’s when you ‘think’ it’s safe that accidents occur! Some alternatives... NO speed limit, let everyone make their own judgment on what is a safe speed. Have speed limits but allow people who know better to ignore them. Have speed limits and try and enforce them on people who ‘think’ they know better. If a driver thinks they are so much better than most, such that the speed limits should not apply to them, then they shouldn’t have any difficulty, considering their superior driving skills, they shouldn’t have any difficulty keeping inside the speed limits. I’m certainly not in favour of speed cameras being placed where they will make money rather than where they are needed on grounds of safety but if you don’t see that camera box at the side of the road, or the big white van with the oversized tinted window in the back door, are you really skilled enough to be exceeding the speed limit? Now I'm off to design an interface that connects your sat-nav to your vehicles cruise/speed-limiter control
"Agreed; I regularly drive abroad. At 100 mph you are looking at traffic 0.5 miles ahead and at 150+mph, a mile ahead. You have to anticipate that other drivers will not check their mirrors or indicate before changing lanes. High speed driving is not suitable in traffic. Remember; mirror, signal and manoeuvre. No points and no accidents; in 30 years of high speed driving. Doctor Nasty | |||
"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom. Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov??? You will learn on this course that excessive speed is a cause of 8% accidents only. I sincerely believe that actual number is even lower... " ROSPA published this 15 July 2013: On August 17th 1896, Bridget Driscoll was knocked down and killed by a car in London. The first fatal road accident in Britain, involving the driver and passengers of a motor car, occurred on 23 February 1899. While attempting to turn a corner at over 25mph the car's wheels collapsed. The occupants were thrown out and the driver and front seat passenger killed. Newspapers hoped that this terrible accident would convince drivers to take greater care and keep their speed down. Today, Great Britain has one of the best road safety records in Europe and the world. Despite massive increases in traffic over the last few decades, the number of people killed on our roads has fallen from around 5,500 per year in the mid 1980s to 1,754 in 2012. However, this still means that around five people die on Britain's roads every day. Sadly, driver error remains the most common cause of road accidents. Speeding Around 400 people a year are killed in crashes in which someone exceeds the speed limit or drives too fast for the conditions. Drink Driving Around 280 people die a year in crashes in which someone was over the legal drink drive limit. Seat Belt Wearing Around 300 lives each year could be saved if everyone always wore their seat belt. Careless Driving Around 300 deaths a year involve someone being "careless, reckless or in a hurry", and a further 125 involve "aggressive driving". At-work Around one third of fatal and serious road crashes involve someone who was at work. Inexperience More than 400 people are killed in crashes involving young car drivers aged 17 to 24 years, every year, including over 150 young drivers, 90 passengers and more than 170 other road users. Failed to Look Properly 40% of road crashes involve someone who 'failed to look properly'. Loss of Control One third of fatal crashes involved 'loss of control' of a vehicle. Failed to Judge Other Person's Path/Speed One in five crashes involve a road user failing to judge another person's path or speed. Doctor Nasty The Truth is Out There | |||
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"When it comes down to it speed limits exist, every driver knows this, whether they like it or not. The decision of staying within the limit or speeding is up to the individual but when you get caught tough, take your medicine and stop whining like a little girl. " | |||
"I was dreading it but the course I went on was actually really good. "Yours was rather different form the one I did then | |||
"You have to receive notification within 14 days or it becomes, legally, invalid. Doctor Nasty" Please, please tell me more. PM me if you want. This isn't an attempt to get PMs of someone who doesn't I had a 'notice of intended prosecution' come in the post a few days from when I was snapped in August. What so I do to contest it? | |||
"I was dreading it but the course I went on was actually really good.
Yours was rather different form the one I did then "I learnt a lot, its 30 yrs since I did my test and haven't looked at highway code since, should be compulsory every 10 yrs. | |||
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