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Showing respect....re rememberence sunday

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

On sunday we will all (hopefully) show our respects to those who lost their lives in two world wars and those still fighting overseas. etc etc

When my son was little and could understand,i talked to him about rememberence sunday and what it meant .

So come rememberence sunday we always sat and showed respect by being quiet at 11am.

On the other hand, my neighbours kids are still screaming and rampaging around, totally oblivious to what this meant.

Is it an age thing ? that parents teach their children what it all meant/means ? Do not schools touch on the subject ?

Ive even stood stock still along with others in the middle of town when the bell strikes..while other younger people just ignore it and carry on regardless.

Looking at those being still like we are strange .

Is this just a sign of them times ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly sign of the times as the parents have no grasp of sacrifices made in the past.

Cant blame the kids as it has no relevance to them i think more has to be made of say conflicts with saddam hussain for example as one of the most recent one that was maas murderer and tried invading other countries. It wont me a thing to kids what happened so long ago its just way it is.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd like to think Forums shows respect by maintaining a silence during the two minutes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we always did things in school leading up to armistace day, no idea if they still do now, though, as have very little to do with modern schooling.

it is a shame that the meaning seems to be getting lost in the mists of time, but unfortunately, thats life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I attend a parade an lay a wreath every year. 4 years ago the village football team started a match at 11 so during the silence all you could hear was shouting and refs whistle. Since then on Remembrance Sunday they kick off at 11.30

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By *hocksandmissusCouple over a year ago

Chester-ish

it is such a shame that it doesn't seem to mean the same thing these days and that the younger ppl do seem to for get they would now be speaking german but for the heroics of our hero's past but like many others we shall still be showing our sign of respect for what they did for us and what they gave up for us to have the life with have now as will our children xxxxxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If national grid was cut off for two mins it would stop folk in their tracks then folk may ask why it may focus attention i know its far fetched.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I know this is totally unrelated but rememberance day is also where i remember my bambino who never made it into the world on the 11 November 2010...however the first and formost are the brave men and woman who died serving their country but also those who are currently activitly serving...

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

ray of sunshine ain't ya....do as you please luckily you are in the minority and not the majority....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

ray of sunshine ain't ya....do as you please luckily you are in the minority and not the majority...."

Thankfully

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

Just pop the TV on Sunday morning at about 10:55 and see the WW2 veterans at the cenotaph and various other memorials and you will see many people who deserve your respect.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On sunday we will all (hopefully) show our respects to those who lost their lives in two world wars and those still fighting overseas. etc etc

When my son was little and could understand,i talked to him about rememberence sunday and what it meant .

So come rememberence sunday we always sat and showed respect by being quiet at 11am.

On the other hand, my neighbours kids are still screaming and rampaging around, totally oblivious to what this meant.

Is it an age thing ? that parents teach their children what it all meant/means ? Do not schools touch on the subject ?

Ive even stood stock still along with others in the middle of town when the bell strikes..while other younger people just ignore it and carry on regardless.

Looking at those being still like we are strange .

Is this just a sign of them times ?

Age has nothing to do with it as in sport, especially football. They will have a minute silence. Always have done and always will do. Its to do with their upbringing in schools, at home, etc. If their family or schools don't acknowledge it and tell the child about it. The child won't understand what's going on. I try to do it, technically I do, but normally in bed at that time. Due to having a heavy night. However when they do it during a game, which I will always watch. I always give that 1 or 2 minute silence.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

Personally war is never justified but this is about remembering the individuals who have lost their lives, those who have died in war demand respect, friend or foe, if we do not respect our dead how can we have respect the living.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is another thread on here at the moment where some one quire seriously argued that WWII was history and we should move on... Says it all really as some people are so self-obsorbed that they couldn't care less

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal."

And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

On Sunday mornings I have better things to do and don't feel the need to act in a particular way because some believe it's expected.

Likewise I don't believe every person that serves is a 'hero' just because the media decided that for now that's how they're to be portrayed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

Wow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal.

And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

On Sunday mornings I have better things to do and don't feel the need to act in a particular way because some believe it's expected.

Likewise I don't believe every person that serves is a 'hero' just because the media decided that for now that's how they're to be portrayed."

And those better things you have to do are only afforded to you because of the sacrifices others have made.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal.

And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

On Sunday mornings I have better things to do and don't feel the need to act in a particular way because some believe it's expected.

Likewise I don't believe every person that serves is a 'hero' just because the media decided that for now that's how they're to be portrayed.

And those better things you have to do are only afforded to you because of the sacrifices others have made. "

Better to get on with them then rather than waste time standing about..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?"

Everything you said would suggest otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal.

And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

On Sunday mornings I have better things to do and don't feel the need to act in a particular way because some believe it's expected.

Likewise I don't believe every person that serves is a 'hero' just because the media decided that for now that's how they're to be portrayed.

And those better things you have to do are only afforded to you because of the sacrifices others have made.

Better to get on with them then rather than waste time standing about.."

I bet your mum & dad are very proud that they've raised a very selfish self centered son.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

2nd World War..?

stopping Hitler was not only justified it had to be done..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

I do actually understand and on some level agree, but the key difference is that people these days choose to join the army whereas in the World Wars people were conscripted and didn't have a choice. If another breaks out you'll be in danger of loosing your life (andthe odds are that you would) without any thankfulness of those you saved and a hypocrite to top it all off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

Can you not see how this paragraph contradicts evetyt else you have said.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal.

And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

On Sunday mornings I have better things to do and don't feel the need to act in a particular way because some believe it's expected.

Likewise I don't believe every person that serves is a 'hero' just because the media decided that for now that's how they're to be portrayed.

And those better things you have to do are only afforded to you because of the sacrifices others have made. "

I fought in the Falklands and don't consider myself a hero. And as for having better things to do on Sunday I'm glad you can do them because there are a lot of men and woman who can't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

To me they are justifiable. Most of the others could have been easily avoided as war is never the answer in a lot of cases. If all authorities such the police, security guards, army, etc refused to fight and refused to do anything to those who didn't want to fight and they did that in every country, Then nearly all wars would be non existent. The only times we would need a war then is when you get people like Hitler, Bin Laden, Saddam Hussain on the loose, but as a realist I know that isn't going to happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?"

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Haha we wouldn't be speaking german if the war ended different.

As others have said younger peoples concept of war is the Iraq afghan 9/11 effects ,and a lot disagree with invading other countries.

I like seeing the old men with their medals all looking proud with their berrets on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

Can you not see how this paragraph contradicts evetyt else you have said.

no.

But I wonder how many of the 'respectful' in this debate consider that shutting their mouth on Sunday and buying the odd poppy is sufficient to fulfil their 'respect' obligations?

I choose to illustrate my respect in different ways. I'm grateful I can make that choice, therefore I choose to exercise it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?"

I never said no war was justified. Try reading what was written, not what you'd like to assume.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

So as by your logic Iraq and Afghanistan were justifiable due to Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain and you agree that both world wars were then which ones are uunjustified?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?

I never said no war was justified. Try reading what was written, not what you'd like to assume."

The bit where you said you'd carry on as normal points to the conclusion that you feel no war was justified as otherwise you would pay your respects.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?

I never said no war was justified. Try reading what was written, not what you'd like to assume."

Maybe you want to clarify your first post on this thread then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?

I never said no war was justified. Try reading what was written, not what you'd like to assume.

The bit where you said you'd carry on as normal points to the conclusion that you feel no war was justified as otherwise you would pay your respects. "

erm ok.

The bit where I said I have better things to do probably means I'm flying to Afghanistan too

Surely an obvious conclusion..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?

I never said no war was justified. Try reading what was written, not what you'd like to assume.

Maybe you want to clarify your first post on this thread then. "

not really.

Nobody was too forthcoming about the levels of respect they afford war veterans beyond poppys and silences were they?..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?

I never said no war was justified. Try reading what was written, not what you'd like to assume.

The bit where you said you'd carry on as normal points to the conclusion that you feel no war was justified as otherwise you would pay your respects.

erm ok.

The bit where I said I have better things to do probably means I'm flying to Afghanistan too

Surely an obvious conclusion.."

how the hell is that an obvious conclusion? lol.

the obvious conclusion is to suggest you dont care about the conflicts people have been involved in, im afraid.

to jump to you being a serving soldier and are heading out there, personally, would be way down the list of conclusions i would be gleaning from someone saying 'i will be carrying on as normal'

hopefully, the pilot of your plane doesnt stop what he is doing for that period of time lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hopefully, the pilot of your plane doesnt stop what he is doing for that period of time lol

We can agree on that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hopefully, the pilot of your plane doesnt stop what he is doing for that period of time lol

We can agree on that"

Good luck in afghan but I think you could show more respect to people who have served or lost people in past conflicts. What's not justified to you could be to them.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

Best thing that could happen and be remembered for the rest of our lives would be for Tony Blair to be arrested on that day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Best thing that could happen and be remembered for the rest of our lives would be for Tony Blair to be arrested on that day.

Also David Cameroon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?

Maybe the bit about no war being justified.?

I never said no war was justified. Try reading what was written, not what you'd like to assume.

The bit where you said you'd carry on as normal points to the conclusion that you feel no war was justified as otherwise you would pay your respects.

erm ok.

The bit where I said I have better things to do probably means I'm flying to Afghanistan too

Surely an obvious conclusion.."

So basically you were trolling this thread with deliberately ambiguous statementsto get a reaction

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By *oecurler69Man over a year ago

Sutton Coldfield

I am so glad we don't have a nation of people with this jokers attitude. In fact he is not even a joker he is surely just after a bite and wind up.....Richard Cranium award winner for sure!

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

A friend of mine was in convoy when a roadside bomb exploded, his best friend was in the truck that detonated the bomb, and he was the only one of 6 in his truck that survived.

He was discharged and hung himself 3 weeks later.

I don't agree with the war they were fighting, but for me Rememberance Sunday is about those serving, not the politics that sent them there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A friend of mine was in convoy when a roadside bomb exploded, his best friend was in the truck that detonated the bomb, and he was the only one of 6 in his truck that survived.

He was discharged and hung himself 3 weeks later.

I don't agree with the war they were fighting, but for me Rememberance Sunday is about those serving, not the politics that sent them there."

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance."

Why should Iraq and Afghanistan change peoples opinions? They may not support the wars but I think recent conflicts have if anything increased support for our Troops. Look at the support organisations like Help for Heroes are getting.

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks."

How is freedom of speech working out for you? Are the people who fought and died to give you that not worthy of respect?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Best thing that could happen and be remembered for the rest of our lives would be for Tony Blair to be arrested on that day.

Wretched Wretched man

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance.

I accept your 'why should.........' point but I still contend that they have changed people's, especially younger people's, opinions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance.

becasue the general concensus is they shouldnt have happened, or at least we shouldnt be involved.

many people now are too stupid to be able to separate the politics of those sat in an office somewhere deciding to go to war, and those that have a job to do and actually go and do their bidding, and its the latter we should be supporting, whether we agree with the conflict or not, as has been said further up

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance.

I accept your 'why should.........' point but I still contend that they have changed people's, especially younger people's, opinions."

And I'll repeat my point... Afghanistan certainly has increased peoples respect for our Armed Forces and therefore in my opinion would increase attendance at events on Nov 11th.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance.

I accept your 'why should.........' point but I still contend that they have changed people's, especially younger people's, opinions.

And I'll repeat my point... Afghanistan certainly has increased peoples respect for our Armed Forces and therefore in my opinion would increase attendance at events on Nov 11th. "

If attendances are increasing (and I don't see it in Glasgow) I suspect it's because folk for whom WWI and WWII were the centre of the matter were dying off and have now, to a lesser extent, been replaced by younger folk.

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance.

I accept your 'why should.........' point but I still contend that they have changed people's, especially younger people's, opinions.

And I'll repeat my point... Afghanistan certainly has increased peoples respect for our Armed Forces and therefore in my opinion would increase attendance at events on Nov 11th.

This country has been involved in armed conflict every year since the end of the second world war with the exception of 1969. Rememberance services are no longer the preserve of the old and bold and veterans of past wars. From what I have seen, more and more people with no Military connections are turning out to show their respect to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

War and conflict anywhere, for whatever reason is horrific.

Especially for civilians caught up in it.

Our troops today ,like our troops many years ago...risk life and limb every day of the year .

Surely our sacrifice of two minutes of silence and supporting the british legion to show support and respect is not asking a lot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

from what ive seen,alot of 20's and 30's us included are against the recent conflicts.

waste of money and no shouting about freedom of speech etc etc will change peoples opinion of it.

costing millions every week for what?

the media do a good job generating fear of what al queda are capable of,but we have still had an attack on home soil.

i respect the old timers who had to go,but modern soldiers are just doing a job

most are on here seem to think its an easy way into women pants.

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"from what ive seen,alot of 20's and 30's us included are against the recent conflicts.

waste of money and no shouting about freedom of speech etc etc will change peoples opinion of it.

costing millions every week for what?

the media do a good job generating fear of what al queda are capable of,but we have still had an attack on home soil.

i respect the old timers who had to go,but modern soldiers are just doing a job

most are on here seem to think its an easy way into women pants."

If you have never been to Afghanistan then you will have no idea of what the Taliban believe in or are capable of doing. I won't start to go into some of the attrocities they have committed they I have witnessed but it is not nice.

They, AQ and various other groups are hell bent on imposing their extremist views and way of life accross the planet. That is why we are fighting in Afghanistan and why we will need to continue fighting the war on terror for years to come.

If we weren't fighting these people in Aghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the UK. 7/7 would look like a picnic compared to what would be happening. Ask anyone who grew up in NI what it is like living through a counter-insurgency and tell me that is what you want for the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"from what ive seen,alot of 20's and 30's us included are against the recent conflicts.

waste of money and no shouting about freedom of speech etc etc will change peoples opinion of it.

costing millions every week for what?

the media do a good job generating fear of what al queda are capable of,but we have still had an attack on home soil.

i respect the old timers who had to go,but modern soldiers are just doing a job

most are on here seem to think its an easy way into women pants.

agreed.

although i also agree with those you quoted about those on here thinking its a ticket into a womans pants, but its the same with firemen too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

taliban and aq are a tiny minority of a peaceful religion.

its like saying the town of truro are going to take over the world

we would be at no more risk if the troops were withdrawn.

if you have been there it obviously offends you that people dont feel that we need british soldiers there,and its a waste of time/money and you need to defend you job choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

although i also agree with those you quoted about those on here thinking its a ticket into a womans pants, but its the same with firemen too"

If it works all the time. Then men will continue to say these things. Personally I can't stand people who do this. Easiest answer is just not to be excited when a guy mentions he does work in that industry. If men see saying it doesn't work. They will drop the act and stop lying about that particular thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I used to enjoy my time is the Sea Cadets (15 at the time), every remembrance sunday the Unit would be asked to be an honor guard at the cenotaph. I was at the time the best thing I could think of to do on the day, now I stand quietly observing the minutes silence.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"I suspect it's Iraq/ Afghanistan which has turned a number of (mostly) younger people against Remembrance.

I accept your 'why should.........' point but I still contend that they have changed people's, especially younger people's, opinions.

And I'll repeat my point... Afghanistan certainly has increased peoples respect for our Armed Forces and therefore in my opinion would increase attendance at events on Nov 11th. "

I would disagree there is growing resentment not just outside but within the armed forces.

The gov doesn't give a shit about the injured that's why we the public have to have it stuffed in our faces and pay through donations.

War is not about freedom but greed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I used to enjoy my time is the Sea Cadets (15 at the time), every remembrance sunday the Unit would be asked to be an honor guard at the cenotaph. I was at the time the best thing I could think of to do on the day, now I stand quietly observing the minutes silence."

was in the sea cadets too lol

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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The gov doesn't give a shit about the injured that's why we the public have to have it stuffed in our faces and pay through donations.

"
It isn't compulsory

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"from what ive seen,alot of 20's and 30's us included are against the recent conflicts.

waste of money and no shouting about freedom of speech etc etc will change peoples opinion of it.

costing millions every week for what?

the media do a good job generating fear of what al queda are capable of,but we have still had an attack on home soil.

i respect the old timers who had to go,but modern soldiers are just doing a job

most are on here seem to think its an easy way into women pants.

The Taliban were hardcore because they were fighting warlords.

Same time they had strict laws.

If the Taliban didn't burn the opium fields then the forces wouldn't have been there.

Wasnt

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"taliban and aq are a tiny minority of a peaceful religion.

its like saying the town of truro are going to take over the world

we would be at no more risk if the troops were withdrawn.

if you have been there it obviously offends you that people dont feel that we need british soldiers there,and its a waste of time/money and you need to defend you job choice."

It doesn't offend me... it scares me. I am frightened that people can be blind to one of the biggest threats to world peace and stability since Hilter and Stalin. TB and AQ may be a small minority but that is the nature of asymetric warfare.

"All that is necessary for Evil to triumph is that good men do nothing"

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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To the OP...I think it is down to respect, some people have not been taught it and after reading some of these threads I don't think it has anything to do with age.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"To the OP...I think it is down to respect, some people have not been taught it and after reading some of these threads I don't think it has anything to do with age.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"To the OP...I think it is down to respect, some people have not been taught it and after reading some of these threads I don't think it has anything to do with age.

PS...some of the money from the appeal is to help to teach kids the meaning of Remembrance, but you still have to rely on the parents to carry it on.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"taliban and aq are a tiny minority of a peaceful religion.

its like saying the town of truro are going to take over the world

we would be at no more risk if the troops were withdrawn.

if you have been there it obviously offends you that people dont feel that we need british soldiers there,and its a waste of time/money and you need to defend you job choice.

"All that is necessary for Evil to triumph is that good men do nothing""

That's why we are I. A mess because people like you are scared.

Think the ira did more damage on UK soil, that was ok.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"taliban and aq are a tiny minority of a peaceful religion.

its like saying the town of truro are going to take over the world

we would be at no more risk if the troops were withdrawn.

if you have been there it obviously offends you that people dont feel that we need british soldiers there,and its a waste of time/money and you need to defend you job choice.

"All that is necessary for Evil to triumph is that good men do nothing"

That's why we are I. A mess because people like you are scared.

Think the ira did more damage on UK soil, that was ok.

That's maybe cos the IRA found it easier to blend in on mainland UK than many AQ terrorists. Ease of movement helps too.

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"taliban and aq are a tiny minority of a peaceful religion.

its like saying the town of truro are going to take over the world

we would be at no more risk if the troops were withdrawn.

if you have been there it obviously offends you that people dont feel that we need british soldiers there,and its a waste of time/money and you need to defend you job choice.

"All that is necessary for Evil to triumph is that good men do nothing"

That's why we are I. A mess because people like you are scared.

Think the ira did more damage on UK soil, that was ok.

We were also fighting the IRA for the best part of 30 years. I would hate to think what AQ and TB will achieve in that time. The IRA never planned to use dirty bombs and didn't want to change our entire way of life.

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By *extoysareusCouple over a year ago

kinky heaven

"taliban and aq are a tiny minority of a peaceful religion.

its like saying the town of truro are going to take over the world

we would be at no more risk if the troops were withdrawn.

if you have been there it obviously offends you that people dont feel that we need british soldiers there,and its a waste of time/money and you need to defend you job choice.

"All that is necessary for Evil to triumph is that good men do nothing"

That's why we are I. A mess because people like you are scared.

Think the ira did more damage on UK soil, that was ok.

So the Taliban wants to change our whole way of life?????

Please please please tell everyone how a few people in caves are going to do that????

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

A few people in a cave. A few people in an aeroplane. A few people on a tube train.

It doesn't take much.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The only way they are changing lives in the uk is by the billions been diverted from looking after our country to chasing a few extremists around in a war they are too scared to pull out of and lose.

I bet over half the population are sick of funding a war that can never be won.

As it is now any 17 year old signing up must have exhausted all other options

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Although I respect the people who went and go to war. I refuse to believe any of it is for freedom of speech as everyone has different beliefs/opinions on things and when we say things others think is wrong. People get called ignorant, insulting, closed minded as well as other comments. Also nowadays we have to be careful on how we word a sentence or phrase. Even if we use a really old saying incase its considered as a racist/offensive remark. Now businesses are wasting their time on courses to make sure people don't come out with comments that can be offensive and people are changing words so everything is equal. Like its wrong to say fireman anymore. You have to say firefighter. Not to mention employers being forced to employ people who are "different" in some way to show they aren't discriminating. Even though those people may not be qualified to do the job. All a waste of time. If they focused on other issues in this country half as much as this. We wouldn't have half the problems we would now.

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"So the Taliban wants to change our whole way of life?????

Please please please tell everyone how a few people in caves are going to do that????

Firstly, I didn't say they would; I said they want to.

Secondly, it is more than "a few people in caves"; there are AQ and other groups sympathetic to their cause not just in Afghanistan but in Pakistan, Somalia, Kenya to name but a few.

Thirdly, how? Asymetric warfare and terrorism, dirty bombs and suicide bombers, kidnapping and murder; 9/11, 7/7 etc the list of their actions is growing by the day.

Obviously, if you don't mind being stoned to death for being a swinger or gay/bi, or having no music, films or TV, or no education for women etc etc then you have nothing to worry about.

On the other hand, if random acts of violence carried out against innocent people bother you; then be afraid, be very afraid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i will spend my remembrance Sunday with my friends and family who have served in the armed forces and defended our way of life

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"The only way they are changing lives in the uk is by the billions been diverted from looking after our country to chasing a few extremists around in a war they are too scared to pull out of and lose.

I bet over half the population are sick of funding a war that can never be won.

As it is now any 17 year old signing up must have exhausted all other options "

Have you tried to get on an aeroplane recently?

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By *he Ring WraithMan over a year ago

Bradford

My dad fought in WW II and survived or I wouldn't be here; three of his four brothers didn't.

I don't give a damn whether the war was 'justifiable' that's for politicians and others.

All I know is on the 11th November, and on the Sunday chosen as remembrance day I WILL stop and I WILL remember.

I do not care if people don't, and I will NOT try to make them, but they WILL NOT stop me doing it.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

On the other hand, if random acts of violence carried out against innocent people bother you; then be afraid, be very afraid."

Including female genital mutilation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My dad fought in WW II and survived or I wouldn't be here; three of his four brothers didn't.

I don't give a damn whether the war was 'justifiable' that's for politicians and others.

All I know is on the 11th November, and on the Sunday chosen as remembrance day I WILL stop and I WILL remember.

I do not care if people don't, and I will NOT try to make them, but they WILL NOT stop me doing it.

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My dad fought in WW II and survived or I wouldn't be here; three of his four brothers didn't.

I don't give a damn whether the war was 'justifiable' that's for politicians and others.

All I know is on the 11th November, and on the Sunday chosen as remembrance day I WILL stop and I WILL remember.

I do not care if people don't, and I will NOT try to make them, but they WILL NOT stop me doing it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do not care if people don't, and I will NOT try to make them, but they WILL NOT stop me doing it."

I don't understand... Is someone trying to stop you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My dad fought in WW II and survived or I wouldn't be here; three of his four brothers didn't.

I don't give a damn whether the war was 'justifiable' that's for politicians and others.

All I know is on the 11th November, and on the Sunday chosen as remembrance day I WILL stop and I WILL remember.

I do not care if people don't, and I will NOT try to make them, but they WILL NOT stop me doing it.

exactly we all have choices in life and ours will be to stand and remember,,"Lest we forget"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I bet over half the population are sick of funding a war that can never be won.

As it is now any 17 year old signing up must have exhausted all other options

Have you tried to get on an aeroplane recently?"

Yeah and that is far more effective that bombing whole towns in afghan to keep us safe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"from what ive seen,alot of 20's and 30's us included are against the recent conflicts.

waste of money and no shouting about freedom of speech etc etc will change peoples opinion of it.

costing millions every week for what?

the media do a good job generating fear of what al queda are capable of,but we have still had an attack on home soil.

i respect the old timers who had to go,but modern soldiers are just doing a job

most are on here seem to think its an easy way into women pants."

I fought In the Falklands and Northern Ireland and to be honest I find the remarks you make offensive. I joined because I wanted to serve ( I left the police force to do so ).As for on here thinking its a way into people's pants it's a very small amount.

I really don't care if people want to parade on Sunday or not but please don't tell me "we only joined for a job or to get in your pants" I'm proud of what i'v done and I'll lay my wreath and remember some friends who's life's ended at 19 so they could get in someone's pants. I'll also remember the young Argentinians who where conscripts so didn't join for a job.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen."

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal.

And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

On Sunday mornings I have better things to do and don't feel the need to act in a particular way because some believe it's expected.

Likewise I don't believe every person that serves is a 'hero' just because the media decided that for now that's how they're to be portrayed.

And those better things you have to do are only afforded to you because of the sacrifices others have made.

I fought in the Falklands and don't consider myself a hero. And as for having better things to do on Sunday I'm glad you can do them because there are a lot of men and woman who can't

I too served in the Falklands conflict and i too do not consider myself as a hero. I wasn't even in the military , i was in the merchant navy and served onboard the hospital ship, i saw horrendous injuries to British & Argentine personnel.

to the "man" who has better things to do on a Sunday morning.....you enjoy your free time "mate".....there's alot of men & women who aren't alive anymore that gave their lives in the belief that it meant something for others to have that freedom you have.

the fallen in your eyes May not be heroes or fell in justified conflicts but does the freedom you enjoy every day not deserve 2 minutes of your time to show your respect to those that fell on your behalf ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i respect the old timers who had to go,but modern soldiers are just doing a job

most are on here seem to think its an easy way into women pants.

Thank you for your service.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"to the "man" who has better things to do on a Sunday morning.....you enjoy your free time "mate".....there's alot of men & women who aren't alive anymore that gave their lives in the belief that it meant something for others to have that freedom you have.

You're not my "mate".

I made my point already. Several times in fact if you'd bothered to read.

Not one person gave any example of how they pay their respects beyond the two minutes you refer to. I'll take substance over tokenism anytime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're not my "mate".

I made my point already. Several times in fact if you'd bothered to read.

Not one person gave any example of how they pay their respects beyond the two minutes you refer to. I'll take substance over tokenism anytime."

Fuck me I pay my respects by remembering every day the mates I lost in NI and the SA. I also I work with organisations that deal with PTSD and the British Legion. I didn't call you mate and am proud of the fact your not my mate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i respect the old timers who had to go,but modern soldiers are just doing a job

most are on here seem to think its an easy way into women pants.

Thank you for your service."

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I'll take substance over tokenism anytime."

What substance would you recommend then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

It's because of those who fought in what they believed were justifiable wars that you have the freedom to carry on as normal.

And on the few occasions I'm fortunate enough to meet them I show them the utmost respect. It's the least they deserve.

On Sunday mornings I have better things to do and don't feel the need to act in a particular way because some believe it's expected.

Likewise I don't believe every person that serves is a 'hero' just because the media decided that for now that's how they're to be portrayed.

And those better things you have to do are only afforded to you because of the sacrifices others have made.

I fought in the Falklands and don't consider myself a hero. And as for having better things to do on Sunday I'm glad you can do them because there are a lot of men and woman who can't

Respect to all the merchant men and woman who supported the troops

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're not my "mate".

I made my point already. Several times in fact if you'd bothered to read.

Not one person gave any example of how they pay their respects beyond the two minutes you refer to. I'll take substance over tokenism anytime."

you want an example of how i pay my respects to those that fell.......

how about the fact i carry the ribbons of the medals my father was given in my wallet , he is "with me" always.

you are quite correct you are not my "mate" .......similar to the term " man" .....not one of those either in my opinion.

as somebody else has commented ( yes i did read the thread ) ....i imagine your parents are so proud of what they created .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day."

People should remember every day !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"taliban and aq are a tiny minority of a peaceful religion.

its like saying the town of truro are going to take over the world

we would be at no more risk if the troops were withdrawn.

if you have been there it obviously offends you that people dont feel that we need british soldiers there,and its a waste of time/money and you need to defend you job choice.

"All that is necessary for Evil to triumph is that good men do nothing"

That's why we are I. A mess because people like you are scared.

Think the ira did more damage on UK soil, that was ok.

So the Taliban wants to change our whole way of life?????

Please please please tell everyone how a few people in caves are going to do that????

is this a real question? please tell me it isn't.......has your cat crossed the keyboard writing random questions?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

People should remember every day !!"

Indeed they should.

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By *ezebelWoman over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ive removed posts. Keep it civil please folks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Respect to all the merchant men and woman who supported the troops "

thankyou

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

People should remember every day !!

Indeed they should. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Respect to all the merchant men and woman who supported the troops

thankyou

Pleasure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're not my "mate".

I made my point already. Several times in fact if you'd bothered to read.

Not one person gave any example of how they pay their respects beyond the two minutes you refer to. I'll take substance over tokenism anytime."

i find this a very sad indictment of a very small minority of people whose attitude to not only the fallen but also the serving heroes of all our armed forces who are not the politicians who put them there however they continue to serve our nation on a daily basis so we can enjoy the freedoms that a few of the less enlightened amongst us choose to abuse for their own gratification.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

People should remember every day !!

Indeed they should. "

I feel exactly the same about anniversaries and Valantines day. They are a complete waste of time/effort and money and probably invented by bank managers and the government to squeeze more money out of people. You should always appreciate a loved one. Not do it when it says so on a calendar at a certain time of year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day."

I'm not sure what you're point is as this thread is about Rememberance Sunday and I am quite aware of todays name & date thankyou.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

People should remember every day !!

Indeed they should.

I despair. Wtf has Valentines day got to do with Rememberance Sunday ?

The money raised by poppy sales is for charity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Show me somebody that fought in a (justifiable) war and I'll show them respect.

At 11am I'll carry on as normal thanks.

You don't think fighting the Germans in the 2nd world war was justifiable ?

Yes. What that I've said would suggest otherwise?"

Read your own post !!!!

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By *ingleguy1973Man over a year ago

peterborough

"Yeah and that is far more effective that bombing whole towns in afghan to keep us safe."

When have we ever bombed a whole town in Afghanistan? Or are you talking the about the taliban who would think nothing of blowing up a crowded market place full of Afghan people just to injure one or two ISAF troops?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

People should remember every day !!

Indeed they should.

I despair. Wtf has Valentines day got to do with Rememberance Sunday ?

The money raised by poppy sales is for charity."

Just trying to state we should remember people all the time. Not on a certain day of the year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

People should remember every day !!

Indeed they should.

I despair. Wtf has Valentines day got to do with Rememberance Sunday ?

The money raised by poppy sales is for charity.

Just trying to state we should remember people all the time. Not on a certain day of the year. "

And how do you get on with your life if you spend 'all the time' remembering the fallen?

You are being asked to spend 2 minutes of silence on 1 day of the year to remember people who have died in the service of their country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ignorance.

That's all it is.

Rememberance Sunday is when we remember the people who died in the service of their country. Not the governments that put them there.

Political views & comments on the rights & wrongs of war & conflict in my humble opinion have no place on Rememberance Sunday, we should simply remember the fallen.

Indeed but today is not Remembrance Day.

People should remember every day !!

Indeed they should.

I despair. Wtf has Valentines day got to do with Rememberance Sunday ?

The money raised by poppy sales is for charity.

Just trying to state we should remember people all the time. Not on a certain day of the year.

And how do you get on with your life if you spend 'all the time' remembering the fallen?

You are being asked to spend 2 minutes of silence on 1 day of the year to remember people who have died in the service of their country.

Don't we all remember fallen daily. I know I'll be doing something and think so so would find this funny etc etc. don't have to be sad to remember some one. I often think if people I served with could see me now they'd piss themselves

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

People do their bit each and every day for those who have survived conflict.

The charitys like "help the hero,s" .

Those working with the elderly .

Those working to mend those broken in hospitals.

The mental health section for those suffering torment due to conflict ..

I could go on and on.

On sunday those that wish will stand and give a little time , a time to reflect on those that gave so much in order we can have ,hopefully a better life.

In my case, 2 minutes is so little for those brave souls

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People do their bit each and every day for those who have survived conflict.

The charitys like "help the hero,s" .

Those working with the elderly .

Those working to mend those broken in hospitals.

The mental health section for those suffering torment due to conflict ..

I could go on and on.

On sunday those that wish will stand and give a little time , a time to reflect on those that gave so much in order we can have ,hopefully a better life.

In my case, 2 minutes is so little for those brave souls "

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By *ruitWoman over a year ago

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It is always important to me. My grandma would talk of the war and we have always remembered 11 November. Also for the fact that is my birthday so I remember it every year.

I will be at parade as normal silent with a tear in my eye.

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