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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"OK - shall I light toe stove tomorrow and disregard the advice not to? It's beyond a joke now, the cold."
Naaaah... Stick another jumper on, and a saucepan on ya head...  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I wasn't going to go full blast. Am not daft. Just a small layer to get the room warmed up. The halogen and fan heaters are shite. Been like this since Friday and can't stand the idea of having to wait to this coming Friday. It's fucking freezing. |
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By *bovethekneeCouple
over a year ago
Hampshire / Herefordshire |
We used to have a fire like that at my mothers house. we did light it once when the front slat of glass was missing but it did smell out the whole house with fumes. I would advise against. It is not that cold yet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It is when it's your only source of heating. Slept two nights fully clothed. Sheets feel damp from the cold. Ancient stone cottage."
Goodness me that's not good.
Well as you're on here why not fix up some meets  At theirs. If you have good fan friends I think I'd consider this
Oh or water bottles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Says the woman with the cooking pot on her head, Minxie you is crazy haha "
yeah but that's protection when the stove goes bang   |
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Google suggests that you can use a multifuel stove with the doors open though it won't be as efficient and you may risk a chimney burn if you are using smokeless fuel.
What I've read makes me think that a smallest fire of logs would be ok.
I googled 'multifuel stove with door open' and interesting and informative answers from Blood Brothers and the Money Saving Expert forum. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Stove.. ??? Oh u mean that thing in the kitchen that the wife is always burning stuff with..... Yeah I know it.... "
Let's hope the OP gains some heat from laughing at your little jape |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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get an electric blanket that you can use whilst its switched on !....might be worth investing in or borrowing a calor gas fire until the ordeal is over ?....Minxie your timing was precious ! lmao....thought buckethead has graced us with his presence |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't use it. I'm in a house with heating now but 27 years ago didn't have it, had a new baby, luckily born in spring, come winter baby had oil filled radiator in his room on all day all night, expensive but worth it. Buy one if you can |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a engineer, do not use the stove until it is repaired properly! full stop. your risking your life if you do.
CO2 is a silent killer, If it does not kill you it would make you very ill with long term effectS!
DO NOT USE IT
CO2 is toxic in higher concentrations: 1% (10,000 ppm) will make some people feel drowsy.
•If exposed at a level of 2% for several hours, minimal "acidosis" (the acid condition of the blood) may occur (cf. hyperventillation prevention).
•Breathing rate doubles at 3% CO2 and is four times the normal rate at 5% CO2.
•Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: at levels above 5%, concentration CO2 is directly toxic. [At lower levels we may be seeing effects of a reduction in the relative amount of oxygen rather than direct toxicity of CO2.]
•Symptoms of high or prolonged exposure to carbon dioxide include headache, increased heart rate, dizziness, fatigue, rapid breathing, visual and hearing dysfunctions.
•Exposure to higher levels may cause unconsciousness or death within minutes of exposure.
•Concentrations of 7% to 10% cause dizziness, headache, visual and hearing dysfunction, and unconsciousness within a few minutes to an hour. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Google suggests that you can use a multifuel stove with the doors open though it won't be as efficient and you may risk a chimney burn if you are using smokeless fuel.
What I've read makes me think that a smallest fire of logs would be ok.
I googled 'multifuel stove with door open' and interesting and informative answers from Blood Brothers and the Money Saving Expert forum."
Thanks for that. Very good advice indeed.  |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
Meanwhile, I use my multi-fuel stove with the door open quite a bit without any problem at all. Just remember to ensure nothing falls out. Sure, they burn best when using the vents for airflow but running them open for a time is not much different from burning wood (best use seasoned wood rather than green - it clogs up the flu less) or coal on an open fire - and I've been doing both since I was a kid.
If having a gap at the front really bothers you, you can effect a temporary repair with a sheet of steel or galv in place of the glass - not as pretty but it works fine. |
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By * pool 1Couple
over a year ago
Liverpool |
We have a open fire and don't think you will have a problem if you are burning logs just leave the damper open a little bit so the fire draws, it will use more fuel, and where you are located it is going to get cold over the next couple of days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Handyman said he was supposed to say that, but that privately he'd light a small fire."
A proper handyman would have fitted a metal plate to the hole to allow you to use your only source of heating
Burning solid fuels produces carbon monoxide so it could be a bit risky to your health.
Usually with the door open the flue will draw more effectively which means more heat lost up the chimney, however you may get some spillage of the products of combustion into the room which means you could die of carbon monoxide poisoning. Stoves don't have a direct exit for the flue gases to make them more efficient, a built in boiler also restricts the flow of gases.
On your last thread about this I posted about replacement ceramic glass from a normal glass supplier, it's not very expensive if the glass is flat and has straight edges. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"whats wrong with your stove ?"
Glass is missing after being broken.
More about carbon monoxide poisoning
The acute effects produced by carbon monoxide in relation to ambient concentration in parts per million are listed below:[14][15]
Concentration Symptoms
35 ppm (0.0035%) Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
100 ppm (0.01%) Slight headache in two to three hours
200 ppm (0.02%) Slight headache within two to three hours; loss of judgment
400 ppm (0.04%) Frontal headache within one to two hours
800 ppm (0.08%) Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 min; insensible within 2 hours
1,600 ppm (0.16%) Headache, tachycardia, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hours
3,200 ppm (0.32%) Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
6,400 ppm (0.64%) Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%) Unconsciousness after 2–3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Still alive and kicking so far - but that's coz I haven't lit the fire yet. Not sure now, with those warnings. Mind - it's an old cottage, with enough draughts to think it'd be safe. Decisions decisions ... grrr. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Still alive and kicking so far - but that's coz I haven't lit the fire yet. Not sure now, with those warnings. Mind - it's an old cottage, with enough draughts to think it'd be safe. Decisions decisions ... grrr."
Hot water bottle, fleecy thermals and deal with heating tomorrow. If you've got any of those hand warmer things use them to keep your toes and nose warm.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still alive and kicking so far - but that's coz I haven't lit the fire yet. Not sure now, with those warnings. Mind - it's an old cottage, with enough draughts to think it'd be safe. Decisions decisions ... grrr."
If the glass is oblong measure it and look up sheet metal workers in you area if it's a weird shape make a cardboard template. It should only cost you a couple of pounds to get a bit of metal cut to size/shape.
You shouldn't risk yourself for the sake of a few pounds.
I'm gas safe registered and have some experience with stoves.
If you do light it, get hold of a thin stick and burn one end until it is smoking then hold it near the hole, it should draw the smoke into the stove, if it doesn't you could well be in danger.
I would be extremely wary of using the stove if I were you. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well - I lit a log, and it was OK fumes-wise. But the fuel retainer bracket proves rather low for glass-less fires, and therefore would require non-stop vigilance what with sparks etc.
Can't do it. That proved a damp squib after all. If I had tiles in the room it would be different, but carpet and rugs... nope.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i dont understand why it would be more dangerous as no glass panel would surely just make it an open fire??
do you not have neighbours that may have a spare fireguard you could use for a few days?
feel for you.
V has stoves in her gaff, and they heat the house incredibly well, however, when they arent used the house is freeqing. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"i dont understand why it would be more dangerous as no glass panel would surely just make it an open fire??
do you not have neighbours that may have a spare fireguard you could use for a few days?
feel for you.
V has stoves in her gaff, and they heat the house incredibly well, however, when they arent used the house is freeqing."
I wondered about that, too, and came to the conclusion that it must be the depth of the fire. And the throat plate that would be missing in an open fire.
Neighbour has oil heating. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i dont understand why it would be more dangerous as no glass panel would surely just make it an open fire??
do you not have neighbours that may have a spare fireguard you could use for a few days?
feel for you.
V has stoves in her gaff, and they heat the house incredibly well, however, when they arent used the house is freeqing."
It's the route the smoke/flue gases take through the appliance to reach the chimney, an open fire goes straight up, a stove doesn't. Some stoves have the flue outlet horizontally at the back. This reduces the efficiency of the flue which in turn increases the likely hood of fumes entering the room. The fumes will contain carbon monoxide.
It will 'probably' be ok but the action of even shutting the doors to the room where the stove is can change the efficiency of the chimney.
The majority of stove manufacturers recommend that you do not use the stove with the door open. |
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"I know this may sound daft but.... put your feet in a bowl of cold water for a few mins... Once you have dried them they will warm up and you will be toasty all night...."
This was a serious suggestion. I watched Ray Mears get his cameraman to do it one night out camping in the cold... The cameraman said it worked really well and kept him warm all night... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i dont understand why it would be more dangerous as no glass panel would surely just make it an open fire??
do you not have neighbours that may have a spare fireguard you could use for a few days?
feel for you.
V has stoves in her gaff, and they heat the house incredibly well, however, when they arent used the house is freeqing.
It's the route the smoke/flue gases take through the appliance to reach the chimney, an open fire goes straight up, a stove doesn't. Some stoves have the flue outlet horizontally at the back. This reduces the efficiency of the flue which in turn increases the likely hood of fumes entering the room. The fumes will contain carbon monoxide.
It will 'probably' be ok but the action of even shutting the doors to the room where the stove is can change the efficiency of the chimney.
The majority of stove manufacturers recommend that you do not use the stove with the door open. "
ahh, thanks for that.
i know her flue/chimney does actually go straight out the top of the stove, so that would be ok to use if the glass broke, i guess.
very interesting response, thanks for that.
another question, as you seem to know.
i have a gas fire in my lounge, which has been condemned and capped by the fitters when they did the gas check in the summer.
i was wondering, could i use the chimney that goes through the wall and fit a log burner where the gas fire is/would have been (probably not explaining it too well, but i mean the hole going through the wall that used to remove the gases from the gas fire, can i replace the pipe with one for a log burner and use one in its place?) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I know this may sound daft but.... put your feet in a bowl of cold water for a few mins... Once you have dried them they will warm up and you will be toasty all night....
This was a serious suggestion. I watched Ray Mears get his cameraman to do it one night out camping in the cold... The cameraman said it worked really well and kept him warm all night..."
I might be brave enough to try that tonight. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i dont understand why it would be more dangerous as no glass panel would surely just make it an open fire??
do you not have neighbours that may have a spare fireguard you could use for a few days?
feel for you.
V has stoves in her gaff, and they heat the house incredibly well, however, when they arent used the house is freeqing.
It's the route the smoke/flue gases take through the appliance to reach the chimney, an open fire goes straight up, a stove doesn't. Some stoves have the flue outlet horizontally at the back. This reduces the efficiency of the flue which in turn increases the likely hood of fumes entering the room. The fumes will contain carbon monoxide.
It will 'probably' be ok but the action of even shutting the doors to the room where the stove is can change the efficiency of the chimney.
The majority of stove manufacturers recommend that you do not use the stove with the door open.
ahh, thanks for that.
i know her flue/chimney does actually go straight out the top of the stove, so that would be ok to use if the glass broke, i guess.
very interesting response, thanks for that.
another question, as you seem to know.
i have a gas fire in my lounge, which has been condemned and capped by the fitters when they did the gas check in the summer.
i was wondering, could i use the chimney that goes through the wall and fit a log burner where the gas fire is/would have been (probably not explaining it too well, but i mean the hole going through the wall that used to remove the gases from the gas fire, can i replace the pipe with one for a log burner and use one in its place?)"
Some gas fires are fitted to a 'gas flue' as opposed to a chimney, usually when a modern house was built with a gas fire as new. If the gas fire was fitted to an older house then it is likely that it is a chimney suitable for solid fuels.
A chimney should go straight up for 600mm before any bends so shouldn't really go out through a wall and you should never have a horizontal length in a chimney.
You'd need to check the chimney thoroughly before connecting to it. Look up for someone that is hetas registered who will look at advise you properly. If you go into a shop selling stoves most decent places will do a site survey before selling you a stove, they may charge and then knock it off the price if you buy a stove from them and pay them to install it.
You can put external or internal flues up for solid fuel but it must be twin walled and insulated flue pipe. There are rules and regulations that must be follow about how close you put combustible materials, height of the chimney etc. if it has been solid fuel before being used for gas it can generally be used for solid fuel again. Any flue liners and pots on the top of the chimney will need to be removed or changed. Solid fuel operates at a higher temperature than gas so gas stuff is not suitable for solid fuel but solid fuel stuff is suitable for gas stuff  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know this may sound daft but.... put your feet in a bowl of cold water for a few mins... Once you have dried them they will warm up and you will be toasty all night....
This was a serious suggestion. I watched Ray Mears get his cameraman to do it one night out camping in the cold... The cameraman said it worked really well and kept him warm all night...
I might be brave enough to try that tonight. "
Do you want ice in that... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i dont understand why it would be more dangerous as no glass panel would surely just make it an open fire??
do you not have neighbours that may have a spare fireguard you could use for a few days?
feel for you.
V has stoves in her gaff, and they heat the house incredibly well, however, when they arent used the house is freeqing.
It's the route the smoke/flue gases take through the appliance to reach the chimney, an open fire goes straight up, a stove doesn't. Some stoves have the flue outlet horizontally at the back. This reduces the efficiency of the flue which in turn increases the likely hood of fumes entering the room. The fumes will contain carbon monoxide.
It will 'probably' be ok but the action of even shutting the doors to the room where the stove is can change the efficiency of the chimney.
The majority of stove manufacturers recommend that you do not use the stove with the door open.
ahh, thanks for that.
i know her flue/chimney does actually go straight out the top of the stove, so that would be ok to use if the glass broke, i guess.
very interesting response, thanks for that.
another question, as you seem to know.
i have a gas fire in my lounge, which has been condemned and capped by the fitters when they did the gas check in the summer.
i was wondering, could i use the chimney that goes through the wall and fit a log burner where the gas fire is/would have been (probably not explaining it too well, but i mean the hole going through the wall that used to remove the gases from the gas fire, can i replace the pipe with one for a log burner and use one in its place?)"
If you have a balanced or fan flued gas fire where the terminal is behind the fire outside at the same height as the fire and not going up a chimney then you cannot fit a stove to that you either need an existing chimney or have one built either internally or externally.
The external twin walled flues look kack... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Update: just received a phonecall - the glass has arrived in Hexham and should be here within the next hour. Been warned to keep the fire low tonight, not to go full blast till tomorrow.
Thank heaven this ordeal seems over now. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Update: just received a phonecall - the glass has arrived in Hexham and should be here within the next hour. Been warned to keep the fire low tonight, not to go full blast till tomorrow.
Thank heaven this ordeal seems over now."
When it's fitted let us know.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"And still an hour to go before it's Friday. Warm up slowly.
The difference in temperature is delicious. Am feeling so much better.
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You need a warm body next to you :-0 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"And still an hour to go before it's Friday. Warm up slowly.
The difference in temperature is delicious. Am feeling so much better.
You need a warm body next to you :-0 "
I did. No offers.  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"And still an hour to go before it's Friday. Warm up slowly.
The difference in temperature is delicious. Am feeling so much better.
You need a warm body next to you :-0
I did. No offers. "
They'll offer now, the softies. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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They shouldn't bother. If mileage was an obstacle before, it'll be the same now.
And why drive the distance if your presence won't contribute to anything?
*yeah, I can be a bitch* |
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