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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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ive just read about the firefighters walking away from a major blaze in Dagenham in London to go on strike... that is outrageous absolutely disgusting!!!
ok, they might have their reasons to strike but to walk away from a major blaze is bad and they cant value their job very much??!! |
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Did there actions put life's at risk or was it just property? If there were life's at risk they wouldn't have walked out.
I jyst wonder where we will be in five years time when response times to fire will most likely have doubled. |
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The firefighters who were members of a union walked away as I understand it. I doubt any of them dropped any children they were rescuing inside a burning building and left.
I support their actions. |
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I'm from Dagenham and saw the smoke rise above the town. The firefighters did not put any lives at risk whatsoever. The fire was at a scrapyard right on the edge of the river Thames well away from habbitated areas and on a sparse industrial estate. The address was Perry Rd Dagenham. Google it and see how Farr away from people the fire was. I think it's very wrong to say the firefighters can't value their jobs because of this. I think we all know no firefighter would leave the scene if lives were in danger. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"ive just read about the firefighters walking away from a major blaze in Dagenham in London to go on strike... that is outrageous absolutely disgusting!!!
ok, they might have their reasons to strike but to walk away from a major blaze is bad and they cant value their job very much??!!"
They did last year
And the post men will do it again this year a week before Xmas.
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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If people continue to allow themselves to be treated like shit as the fat cats get fatter we will end up with some of the worst services in the world.
I completely support the strike. |
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"When you are not involved in something, just looking in as an outsider, of course your thoughts will be different and selfish.very true. But I wander what the unimployed think about strikes? "
Do you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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politically the unions have fucked up massively with the various strikes and action - mostly they're just bringing about their own demise which is an injustice to those they're supposed to represent and that pay their wages. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"ive just read about the firefighters walking away from a major blaze in Dagenham in London to go on strike... that is outrageous absolutely disgusting!!!
ok, they might have their reasons to strike but to walk away from a major blaze is bad and they cant value their job very much??!!"
a jobs a job now days, people work for money, I was at the vets last week and they turned away a dog that had been hit by a car because the owner didn't have the money to pay upfront and they wouldn't do her a payment plan
its just the way it is now days, firemen arnt superhuman they are people working for money like everyone else, and if they don't egt what they want they will strike like many other people |
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"politically the unions have fucked up massively with the various strikes and action - mostly they're just bringing about their own demise which is an injustice to those they're supposed to represent and that pay their wages."
yes this is a problem too. There's no middle ground and very few on either side of teh debate are genuinely working for the good of Joe Public although I have to say my union rep is excellent and very fair minded. |
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"ive just read about the firefighters walking away from a major blaze in Dagenham in London to go on strike... that is outrageous absolutely disgusting!!!
ok, they might have their reasons to strike but to walk away from a major blaze is bad and they cant value their job very much??!!"
OP..
the job was surrounded, no life risk etc..
the Union had discussed with principal managers that they would be walking away as per the commencement of industrial action..
the temporary fire cover then took over..
no one 'walked away'..
20 minutes before the strike was due to start the Chief contacted the media and said the fire was now a 'major incident', then they let the crews who were actually attending the incident know this..
a major incident is one whereby a set protocol involving Police, Ambulance and other agencies is declared funnily enough not by someone in his office 15 mile away but by the OIC at the scene..
the command procedures (Silver and Gold etc)involving the Police and Ambulance were not set up either..
normally terrorism, train crashes or major fires, chemical jobs involving multiple casualties..
fires in scrap yards are NOT major incidents, this was to put pressure on the crews from the media and Government and to show them in a bad light..
the Union have an agreement where if a major incident occurs then a recall will take place whilst Industrial action takes place..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The firefighters who were members of a union walked away as I understand it. I doubt any of them dropped any children they were rescuing inside a burning building and left.
I support their actions."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When you are not involved in something, just looking in as an outsider, of course your thoughts will be different and selfish.very true. But I wander what the unimployed think about strikes? "
I suspect that if they are unemployed because they were made redundant they may understand and respect a decision to strike when their jobs are under threat |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"ive just read about the firefighters walking away from a major blaze in Dagenham in London to go on strike... that is outrageous absolutely disgusting!!!
ok, they might have their reasons to strike but to walk away from a major blaze is bad and they cant value their job very much??!!
OP..
the job was surrounded, no life risk etc..
the Union had discussed with principal managers that they would be walking away as per the commencement of industrial action..
the temporary fire cover then took over..
no one 'walked away'..
20 minutes before the strike was due to start the Chief contacted the media and said the fire was now a 'major incident', then they let the crews who were actually attending the incident know this..
a major incident is one whereby a set protocol involving Police, Ambulance and other agencies is declared funnily enough not by someone in his office 15 mile away but by the OIC at the scene..
the command procedures (Silver and Gold etc)involving the Police and Ambulance were not set up either..
normally terrorism, train crashes or major fires, chemical jobs involving multiple casualties..
fires in scrap yards are NOT major incidents, this was to put pressure on the crews from the media and Government and to show them in a bad light..
the Union have an agreement where if a major incident occurs then a recall will take place whilst Industrial action takes place..
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Ssssshhhhhhhhhh, don't let the facts and truth get in the way of an uninformed rant. As you say this was very much a set up to portray the FBU as irresponsible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When you are not involved in something, just looking in as an outsider, of course your thoughts will be different and selfish.very true. But I wander what the unimployed think about strikes?
I suspect that if they are unemployed because they were made redundant they may understand and respect a decision to strike when their jobs are under threat"
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Just look at the grangemouth fiasco. The union almost cost everyone their jobs.I'm not saying its the same. But union's have it seems began to believe they are invincible. Its a game that might cost dearly. |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs "
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job? |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?"
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate "
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there
life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate
Not often I'm stuck for words "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?"
You could also ask why the government has not arranged for cover to be provided during the strike.
I remember many years ago as a child when the firemen had a 'proper' strike, as in not half a shift, that the army with their green goddesses were brought in to provide cover for the striking firemen.
When absolutely necessary firemen risk their lives to save people from all sorts of dangerous situations I believe we should be grateful for what they do and make sure they have decent pay and conditions.
Anyone in the armed services will start receiving their pension after 22 years of service. We don't expect old men to be frontline troops, do we expect 50 or 60 year old men to be fighting fires? |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You could also ask why the government has not arranged for cover to be provided during the strike.
I remember many years ago as a child when the firemen had a 'proper' strike, as in not half a shift, that the army with their green goddesses were brought in to provide cover for the striking firemen.
When absolutely necessary firemen risk their lives to save people from all sorts of dangerous situations I believe we should be grateful for what they do and make sure they have decent pay and conditions.
Anyone in the armed services will start receiving their pension after 22 years of service. We don't expect old men to be frontline troops, do we expect 50 or 60 year old men to be fighting fires? "
Armed forces get paid peanuts and there equipment is hopeless in most cases and if they get limbs blown off they mostly have to rely on charity for support do you ever here them complain or go on strike !,,,,,, no they do the job they joined to. Do , |
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"Just look at the grangemouth fiasco. The union almost cost everyone their jobs.I'm not saying its the same. But union's have it seems began to believe they are invincible. Its a game that might cost dearly. "
There are two sides to the Grangemouth story |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate "
Drinking beer ...on duty? |
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"Just look at the grangemouth fiasco. The union almost cost everyone their jobs.I'm not saying its the same. But union's have it seems began to believe they are invincible. Its a game that might cost dearly.
There are two sides to the Grangemouth story"
not really. The owners said we will have to close the plant unless there is a reduction in costs including overtime etc. The union said ok we won't accept that so the company said fine we will close the plant. Que a big turnaround by the union. About time the union's woke up. They tried to play hardball and lost. And thank god they did |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Major incident or no major incident, correct protocol followed or not its WRONG for any firefighter to walk off the fireground in the middle of an incident. Im a serving firefighter not fighting fires from my armchair,like some. The FBU and the London firefighters got it seriously wrong again. Im all for a strike, im all for discussion, im all for showing that we cant be walked over and our futures decided by some fat cat in a marble office but im sorry, its wrong to leave the fireground no matter what. The strike could so easily have been delayed. Typical FBU, theyre still trying to get one over on the politicians after they were quite rightly shafted the last time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate
Drinking beer ...on duty?"
I thought that. nit sure why "nice food" is seen as a bad thing either. |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate
Drinking beer ...on duty?
I thought that. nit sure why "nice food" is seen as a bad thing either."
If you read it properly I said I've been having a beer with them and nice food your just stirring the pot are you a MP by any chance |
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"Just look at the grangemouth fiasco. The union almost cost everyone their jobs.I'm not saying its the same. But union's have it seems began to believe they are invincible. Its a game that might cost dearly.
There are two sides to the Grangemouth storynot really. The owners said we will have to close the plant unless there is a reduction in costs including overtime etc. The union said ok we won't accept that so the company said fine we will close the plant. Que a big turnaround by the union. About time the union's woke up. They tried to play hardball and lost. And thank god they did"
I see two sides to it and find Dan Hodges view of things interesting |
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Messing about with pensions is wrong, it doesn't matter what job somebody does IMO.
When I left the Army my pension was payable from the age of 55, now I find out it's gone to age 60.
Hopefully the insurers will sue the local council for the extra damage incurred in Dagenham. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You could also ask why the government has not arranged for cover to be provided during the strike.
I remember many years ago as a child when the firemen had a 'proper' strike, as in not half a shift, that the army with their green goddesses were brought in to provide cover for the striking firemen.
When absolutely necessary firemen risk their lives to save people from all sorts of dangerous situations I believe we should be grateful for what they do and make sure they have decent pay and conditions.
Anyone in the armed services will start receiving their pension after 22 years of service. We don't expect old men to be frontline troops, do we expect 50 or 60 year old men to be fighting fires? "
They don't start receiving their pensions after 22 years of service they receive it if they leave the services. Also it's not everyone who gets to sign on for 22 years you have to reach certain ranks and as the higher up you get the fewer posts are available. |
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"Major incident or no major incident, correct protocol followed or not its WRONG for any firefighter to walk off the fireground in the middle of an incident. Im a serving firefighter not fighting fires from my armchair,like some. The FBU and the London firefighters got it seriously wrong again. Im all for a strike, im all for discussion, im all for showing that we cant be walked over and our futures decided by some fat cat in a marble office but im sorry, its wrong to leave the fireground no matter what. The strike could so easily have been delayed. Typical FBU, theyre still trying to get one over on the politicians after they were quite rightly shafted the last time."
Do your collegaues feel the same way as you? Its very interesting to get a firefighters view of this. |
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Ssssshhhhhhhhhh, don't let the facts and truth get in the way of an uninformed rant. As you say this was very much a set up to portray the FBU as irresponsible."
am fine with folk ranting, do it enough myself lol..
its the knee jerk, only one side of a story from some of the media with an agenda rants that grate..
its the uninformed bit, the not even bothering to think and just |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate
Drinking beer ...on duty?
I thought that. nit sure why "nice food" is seen as a bad thing either.
If you read it properly I said I've been having a beer with them and nice food your just stirring the pot are you a MP by any chance "
Is that the nice food that they actually have to pay for as they do not get meals and drinks for free? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?"
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
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yea but they get nice food and beer so its ok.
We live very close to where two firefighters died, the blast actually rattled our front door and windows. It happened on a Sunday afternoon and they had gone into a factory they had been told was safe. I'd never describe their job as cushy |
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"Major incident or no major incident, correct protocol followed or not its WRONG for any firefighter to walk off the fireground in the middle of an incident. Im a serving firefighter not fighting fires from my armchair,like some. The FBU and the London firefighters got it seriously wrong again. Im all for a strike, im all for discussion, im all for showing that we cant be walked over and our futures decided by some fat cat in a marble office but im sorry, its wrong to leave the fireground no matter what. The strike could so easily have been delayed. Typical FBU, theyre still trying to get one over on the politicians after they were quite rightly shafted the last time."
effectively what took place was an implementation of a relief, the job would have had a reduced attendance as you probably know once deemed appropriate..
the handover to the 'cover' when on IA was implemented, fail to see what you don't understand about that tbh..
the current issue has nothing to do with 2003 which you will know full well..
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate
Drinking beer ...on duty?
I thought that. nit sure why "nice food" is seen as a bad thing either.
If you read it properly I said I've been having a beer with them and nice food your just stirring the pot are you a MP by any chance "
I did read it properly, you said you'd been having a beer WITH them implying they were too....what am I missing? The fact that your talking mince? lol |
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Effectively what happened was the strike action forcing the relief in place, not the relief allowing the strike.I can understand perfectly well, my opinion, your opinion, do we need to agree? No. |
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Effectively what happened was the strike action forcing the relief in place, not the relief allowing the strike.I can understand perfectly well, my opinion, your opinion, do we need to agree? No. |
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Effectively what happened was the strike action forcing the relief in place, not the relief allowing the strike.I can understand perfectly well, my opinion, your opinion, do we need to agree? No. |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
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Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself "
Firefighters pay for their pensions tho. A huge amount each month. |
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"The firefighters who were members of a union walked away as I understand it. I doubt any of them dropped any children they were rescuing inside a burning building and left.
I support their actions."
Total agreement they risk their lives everytime they are called out and yet their pensions etc are beong decimated what else can they do roll over and take it on the chin its their future they are trying to protect.
To the o p read full story not just headlines from propaganda in press. |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
Firefighters pay for their pensions tho. A huge amount each month. "
Steady on there you're in danger of spoiling this argument with facts |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many a
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?
You having a bubble it's very rare they lose there life's in that job more workers are killed in a month in the construction trades than fire service workers in a life time ,like I said I have friends and family that as fire fighters I've often been to the station watching sky sports and having a beer and nice food 'get real mate
Drinking beer ...on duty?
I thought that. nit sure why "nice food" is seen as a bad thing either.
If you read it properly I said I've been having a beer with them and nice food your just stirring the pot are you a MP by any chance "
No one in the job is saying they are hard done by, this is about being sacked due to not being 'fit enough' to pass the to be decided criteria either through ill health or injured on duty..
your therefore deemed not capable and the pension you have paid into will be frozen till your 65..
as for the deaths in service, any death of any person doing any job is hopefully preventable..
procedures to keep workers safe have usually only been implemented after folk die in what is or should have been avoidable..
on the drinking, most Authorities now have compulsory drug and alcohol testing and some carry out random spot checks..
any manager on any Watch who allows drinking is pretty stupid as it is them who will be held to account in Law if something goes wrong as well as the Brigade disciplining them..
not worth your job or your conscience tbh..
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
Firefighters pay for their pensions tho. A huge amount each month.
Steady on there you're in danger of spoiling this argument with facts"
oops..cant help it..this thread is boiling my piss and Im trying not to rant back.  |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself "
I know a lot of people would...but they're not trained nor equipped to do so and the chances of them dying are very, very high.
So if there's a fire at your workplace, with high voltage electricity, do they call you or the fire service?  |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
Firefighters pay for their pensions tho. A huge amount each month.
Steady on there you're in danger of spoiling this argument with facts
oops..cant help it..this thread is boiling my piss and Im trying not to rant back. "
Don't let a little ignorance ruin your Sunday - though I can sympathise with how you feel about certain ill informed posts |
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"Effectively what happened was the strike action forcing the relief in place, not the relief allowing the strike.I can understand perfectly well, my opinion, your opinion, do we need to agree? No."
probably never but hey ho..
think its all about context, no one would walk away from a job in its early stages when the IA is due to commence..
it didn't happen before and pretty sure that will be the case..
this had been ongoing since 3.17, was fully surrounded and going nowhere..
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
Firefighters pay for their pensions tho. A huge amount each month.
Steady on there you're in danger of spoiling this argument with facts
oops..cant help it..this thread is boiling my piss and Im trying not to rant back.
Don't let a little ignorance ruin your Sunday - though I can sympathise with how you feel about certain ill informed posts "
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"ive just read about the firefighters walking away from a major blaze in Dagenham in London to go on strike... that is outrageous absolutely disgusting!!!
ok, they might have their reasons to strike but to walk away from a major blaze is bad and they cant value their job very much??!!"
Living not to far from two of the biggest fires of recent years, our fire fighters let them burn out because using water was going to have a massive impact on the environment. Fire fighting is not about get the hose out and spraying everything in sight. Fire fighters put their lives on the line most days of their working life. I for one think it is madness to expect them to work till sixty. They are worth more than all the MP's that want to mess with brigade pensions. Do not think for one moment that anyone's life was in danger no matter what the media will have you believe. A decent pension for our fire fighters |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself "
So you are live working every minute you are working? You have no ssow in place? You are dealing with known risks, fire fighters aren't.
As for pensions, they have to contribute to theirs, just like NHS staff and civil servants.
You are coming across very bitter and twisted |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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For all the anti strike people just imagine the UK union free like it used to be. Read a little history and you will see that for ordinary workers it was not that nostalgic green and pleasant land as some elements of the media would have you believe. |
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"For all the anti strike people just imagine the UK union free like it used to be. Read a little history and you will see that for ordinary workers it was not that nostalgic green and pleasant land as some elements of the media would have you believe. "
I don't think people realise that many of their current good working conditions are only in place due to unions representing them. It's quite easy to see how the ruling classes rule isn't it |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself "
I to use to do HV, knew the risks and had methods of safe working no big thing. So if your boss suddenly said he wanted you to work five years longer and pay more into your pension and then get less out at the end you be fine with that then. |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
I to use to do HV, knew the risks and had methods of safe working no big thing. So if your boss suddenly said he wanted you to work five years longer and pay more into your pension and then get less out at the end you be fine with that then. "
I'd be very pissed off and get a different job. |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
So you are live working every minute you are working? You have no ssow in place? You are dealing with known risks, fire fighters aren't.
As for pensions, they have to contribute to theirs, just like NHS staff and civil servants.
You are coming across very bitter and twisted"
I think your the one that's bitter I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters so I say it how it is they have a grand life style at work with great perks and as for them they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk ,and as for my risk it's not just from the risk of electricity its al the other factors I have to consider in my job ,andwhyshouldnt firefight. Ers work till there 60 |
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"They have a right to strike. Management should have the right to sack them. If you want to walk away from your job fine. Just don't expect sympathy from those you are supposed to be protecting. "
ah yes the good old days when the 'bosses' ruled with an iron fist..
granting the oiks the privilege of working till they dropped or died of preventable industrial illness or injuries..
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk "
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..? |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?"
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating |
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating "
You can't be sacked for going on strike. |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a cushy job?"
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating
You can't be sacked for going on strike. "
Really try telling some of the folk that get sacked a few months down the line that when there told there's no more work for them |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
So you are live working every minute you are working? You have no ssow in place? You are dealing with known risks, fire fighters aren't.
As for pensions, they have to contribute to theirs, just like NHS staff and civil servants.
You are coming across very bitter and twisted
I think your the one that's bitter I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters so I say it how it is they have a grand life style at work with great perks and as for them they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk ,and as for my risk it's not just from the risk of electricity its al the other factors I have to consider in my job ,andwhyshouldnt firefight. Ers work till there 60 "
Do you not, perhaps think that the answer is to struggle for better conditions in your own job rather than try and worsen working conditions for those whos lot is slightly better than yours? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
So you are live working every minute you are working? You have no ssow in place? You are dealing with known risks, fire fighters aren't.
As for pensions, they have to contribute to theirs, just like NHS staff and civil servants.
You are coming across very bitter and twisted
I think your the one that's bitter I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters so I say it how it is they have a grand life style at work with great perks and as for them they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk ,and as for my risk it's not just from the risk of electricity its al the other factors I have to consider in my job ,andwhyshouldnt firefight. Ers work till there 60
Do you not, perhaps think that the answer is to struggle for better conditions in your own job rather than try and worsen working conditions for those whos lot is slightly better than yours?"
exactly too many envious people in this country happy to join the race to the bottom than stand up and fight for decent wages and decent conditions well they are reaping what they sow now |
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
So you are live working every minute you are working? You have no ssow in place? You are dealing with known risks, fire fighters aren't.
As for pensions, they have to contribute to theirs, just like NHS staff and civil servants.
You are coming across very bitter and twisted
I think your the one that's bitter I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters so I say it how it is they have a grand life style at work with great perks and as for them they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk ,and as for my risk it's not just from the risk of electricity its al the other factors I have to consider in my job ,andwhyshouldnt firefight. Ers work till there 60
Do you not, perhaps think that the answer is to struggle for better conditions in your own job rather than try and worsen working conditions for those whos lot is slightly better than yours?"
Exactly!
This government is intent on turning the working classes on each and it is working |
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"The firefighters who were members of a union walked away as I understand it. I doubt any of them dropped any children they were rescuing inside a burning building and left.
I support their actions."
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs
So if one of those family and friends lost their life in the line of duty would you still say it was a
I was thinking a similar thing.
Walking into blazing buildings and dealing with such an unforgiving element like fire is not my idea of "cushy."
Don't you well I'd walk in to a building without all the protection to save a life and like most times it's a member of the public that risk there life's in a lot of these fire trying to save some one ,I work with high voltage electricity every minute I at work I'm at risk I. Don't moan I do my job ,I won't get any government pension I have to pay for it myself
So you are live working every minute you are working? You have no ssow in place? You are dealing with known risks, fire fighters aren't.
As for pensions, they have to contribute to theirs, just like NHS staff and civil servants.
You are coming across very bitter and twisted
I think your the one that's bitter I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters so I say it how it is they have a grand life style at work with great perks and as for them they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk ,and as for my risk it's not just from the risk of electricity its al the other factors I have to consider in my job ,andwhyshouldnt firefight. Ers work till there 60
Do you not, perhaps think that the answer is to struggle for better conditions in your own job rather than try and worsen working conditions for those whos lot is slightly better than yours?"
Why I'm not the one moaning about my job I knew the conditions I'd be working in and they change every day and I have a very good job thanks |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
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So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all |
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"politically the unions have fucked up massively with the various strikes and action - mostly they're just bringing about their own demise which is an injustice to those they're supposed to represent and that pay their wages."
from what I have seen.things run in circles, one minute the union is strong the next the company is. Personally I back the Firefighters strike. |
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all "
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack. |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack."
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones |
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack.
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones "
Very few people in their 50's will be as fit and strong as someone half their age. That's not discrimination it is fact. Look at the age of most professional sportsman. For those lucky enough to defy the ageing process great, but to expect all firefighters is ridiculous |
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack.
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones
Very few people in their 50's will be as fit and strong as someone half their age. That's not discrimination it is fact. Look at the age of most professional sportsman. For those lucky enough to defy the ageing process great, but to expect all firefighters is ridiculous"
You must be joking or deluded how can you compare a fire fighter with a sportsman so glad I'm not in your world as I'd be sat in a home at 50 what a sad attitude |
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack.
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones
Very few people in their 50's will be as fit and strong as someone half their age. That's not discrimination it is fact. Look at the age of most professional sportsman. For those lucky enough to defy the ageing process great, but to expect all firefighters is ridiculous"
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack.
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones
Very few people in their 50's will be as fit and strong as someone half their age. That's not discrimination it is fact. Look at the age of most professional sportsman. For those lucky enough to defy the ageing process great, but to expect all firefighters is ridiculous
You must be joking or deluded how can you compare a fire fighter with a sportsman so glad I'm not in your world as I'd be sat in a home at 50 what a sad attitude "
I was not comparing sportsman to firefighters. I was using sportsman as an example and to highlight that as early as your mid 30's for the vast majority of people physically you are in decline. |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack.
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones
Very few people in their 50's will be as fit and strong as someone half their age. That's not discrimination it is fact. Look at the age of most professional sportsman. For those lucky enough to defy the ageing process great, but to expect all firefighters is ridiculous
You must be joking or deluded how can you compare a fire fighter with a sportsman so glad I'm not in your world as I'd be sat in a home at 50 what a sad attitude
I was not comparing sportsman to firefighters. I was using sportsman as an example and to highlight that as early as your mid 30's for the vast majority of people physically you are in decline. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some of the posts on here reek of 6th form socialism.
Infinitely preferable to old school Toryism.
Really?
I suspect your late for a level geography. "
As are you for basic English |
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"Some of the posts on here reek of 6th form socialism.
Infinitely preferable to old school Toryism.
Really?
I suspect your late for a level geography. "
I suspect you have been skipping grammar class altogether. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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It's not just about working people past a sensible age for the type of strenuous work they're obliged to do.
Every year an older worker stays in post is a year a new recruit will be denied a job. A proper job with training, prospects of promotion and a pension.
That new recruit could be a Fabster's son or daughter. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"So would you rather an untried 20 year old or a fit, healthy 60 year old with 40 years experience was responsible for saving your family in a fire?..."
I'd rather a trainee of 20 teamed up with an experienced firefighter in his 30s or 40s. |
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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago
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The issues are that the fitness test they must complete to keep their jobs is exactly the same for a 59 year old as it is for a 21 year old. They are told they must pay more into their pensions and for longer but will get less out. Years ago they all signed a work contract that stated how much salary they would get for x amount of hours for x amount of years and pay x amount of pension, now they are being told that that contract is basically worthless so I understand they are not happy.... would you be?
Oh and for those who say get another job if you dont like it.... get real as we all know there are less jobs about these days.
And for information when they were on strike there was cover staff in place, this is because it is a service that is paid for and hardly used but essential, I am all for them standing up for their rights and am 100% behind them. |
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating "
given that you have dodged the question of actually discussing this issue with your serving family members I have pretty much little faith that you do fella..
its not something that you wouldn't discuss.. |
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"So would you rather an untried 20 year old or a fit, healthy 60 year old with 40 years experience was responsible for saving your family in a fire?..."
the Governments own research is that less than 30% of personnel aged 55 will pass the 'assessment' based on the lung capacity test alone..
that's assuming that at the joining age of say 20 the individuals are in the top echelons of physical fitness within society..
on the Gillender street fire where 2 firefighters lost their lives it was only the fitness of one other team member that got himself and a colleague out alive..
the older colleague was only in his early 40's, the new guy was 22..
in some ways the age issue is peripheral to the Industrial action, there are maybe some 60 yr olds who would pass the assessment but its untried and based on assumptions..
its that a person can pay into a scheme for 35 yrs, get injured at work, develop cancer or mental health issue's
(as do other members of society) and be told bye bye no job and no pension till your 65..
some wont make that day, as do other members of society..
and the folks pushing this are on THE best pension in the land..
its wrong..
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating
given that you have dodged the question of actually discussing this issue with your serving family members I have pretty much little faith that you do fella..
its not something that you wouldn't discuss.. "
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack.
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones
Very few people in their 50's will be as fit and strong as someone half their age. That's not discrimination it is fact. Look at the age of most professional sportsman. For those lucky enough to defy the ageing process great, but to expect all firefighters is ridiculous"
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"Would you want to be rescued by a 60 year old fireman who is unfit for the job that is why they are striking .
So when you reach 60 your unfit and written off there's many 60 year olds fitter than 20 year olds to all the 60 year old bricklayers and physical workers you should retire ,oh many can't as they don't get subsidies pensions ,I've herd it all
Its not the same he cant just sit down and have a rest if hes tired or under the weather, its more strenuous work carrying people out of buildings, what if he had a heart attack.
How discriminating writing people off at 60 there better workers than a lot of the younger ones
Very few people in their 50's will be as fit and strong as someone half their age. That's not discrimination it is fact. Look at the age of most professional sportsman. For those lucky enough to defy the ageing process great, but to expect all firefighters is ridiculous"
Really servicemen are still fighting at 55 if you want to stay in the job you do what you need to do to stay in it  |
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"Unions broke this country in the 70s, those to young should Google. And they are about to now . "
that's not in question, however this isn't the 70's.
there just never seems to be a period when we as a country are in a state of equilibrium, instead one side will always try to enforce their will on the other and it is never for the betterment of the country.  |
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The sooner striking is made illegal the better ... if you dont like your job quit .... if you cant get another job to be able to quit be thankful you have a job. Bloody pinko's |
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"Unions broke this country in the 70s, those to young should Google. And they are about to now .
that's not in question, however this isn't the 70's.
there just never seems to be a period when we as a country are in a state of equilibrium, instead one side will always try to enforce their will on the other and it is never for the betterment of the country. "
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"Unions broke this country in the 70s, those to young should Google. And they are about to now .
that's not in question, however this isn't the 70's.
there just never seems to be a period when we as a country are in a state of equilibrium, instead one side will always try to enforce their will on the other and it is never for the betterment of the country. "
True this isn't the 1970s but some union leaders are trying to drag us back to that decade. I am all for Trade Unions if they do their job and represent their members and get the best wages, working conditions etc. But when union leaders gamble with their members jobs and livelyhoods in order to further their own political agendas and personal aims they are bang out of order. They are also very well paid... champagne socialists of the very worst type. |
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"Unions broke this country in the 70s, those to young should Google. And they are about to now .
that's not in question, however this isn't the 70's.
there just never seems to be a period when we as a country are in a state of equilibrium, instead one side will always try to enforce their will on the other and it is never for the betterment of the country.
Yep!"
on a lighter note lovely profile |
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"Unions broke this country in the 70s, those to young should Google. And they are about to now .
that's not in question, however this isn't the 70's.
there just never seems to be a period when we as a country are in a state of equilibrium, instead one side will always try to enforce their will on the other and it is never for the betterment of the country.
True this isn't the 1970s but some union leaders are trying to drag us back to that decade. I am all for Trade Unions if they do their job and represent their members and get the best wages, working conditions etc. But when union leaders gamble with their members jobs and livelyhoods in order to further their own political agendas and personal aims they are bang out of order. They are also very well paid... champagne socialists of the very worst type."
the saddest indictment is that i do not trust politicians or union leaders to do what is best for the people or the nation. |
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating
given that you have dodged the question of actually discussing this issue with your serving family members I have pretty much little faith that you do fella..
its not something that you wouldn't discuss..
instead of sending a pm why not answer in the thread..?
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Because I'm sick of repeating myself on here and you should be more concerned with people writing your age group off |
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating
given that you have dodged the question of actually discussing this issue with your serving family members I have pretty much little faith that you do fella..
its not something that you wouldn't discuss..
instead of sending a pm why not answer in the thread..?
Because I'm sick of repeating myself on here and you should be more concerned with people writing your age group off "
and yet you hav'nt answered let alone 'repeated' yourself and prefer to pm instead..
on this one fella I'm out.. |
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating
given that you have dodged the question of actually discussing this issue with your serving family members I have pretty much little faith that you do fella..
its not something that you wouldn't discuss..
instead of sending a pm why not answer in the thread..?
Because I'm sick of repeating myself on here and you should be more concerned with people writing your age group off
and yet you hav'nt answered let alone 'repeated' yourself and prefer to pm instead..
on this one fella I'm out..
Your a right little key board warrior in private then you block ,typical "
happy to debate in public..
as I said I don't think you have raised your point of view with your family in the service..
nothing you have stated thus far either in pm or on here leads me to change that view..
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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago
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" I have friends and a brother who are fire fighters
they do have risk assessments as the fire chief won't allow them to enter a building that is to much at risk
Have you asked them if they would be happy if the proposed arrangements were in place today..?
as for the risk assessments, that's not down to their Chief that's also down to them..
no life is worth risking if there is no life to save in a job if its known or suspected that in entering it the risk of injury is high..
derelict's etc..
same as you wouldn't I suspect touch a live 240v without making sure the power is isolated..?
That's the same in every job people have had to take big cuts and if I went on strike I'd be sacked they are no different if they don't like there terms they can find another job but hey no they have it to good so they won't .things now have changed you would all start moaning if the power station went on strike moaning about having no power or heating
given that you have dodged the question of actually discussing this issue with your serving family members I have pretty much little faith that you do fella..
its not something that you wouldn't discuss..
instead of sending a pm why not answer in the thread..?
Because I'm sick of repeating myself on here and you should be more concerned with people writing your age group off
and yet you hav'nt answered let alone 'repeated' yourself and prefer to pm instead..
on this one fella I'm out..
Your a right little key board warrior in private then you block ,typical
happy to debate in public..
as I said I don't think you have raised your point of view with your family in the service..
nothing you have stated thus far either in pm or on here leads me to change that view..
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I'm not going to debate what I speak about to my family on here why does it bother you so much as it doesn't bother them it's all light hearted banter so get over it ,you blocked me so don't bother me |
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"Unions broke this country in the 70s, those to young should Google. And they are about to now .
that's not in question, however this isn't the 70's.
there just never seems to be a period when we as a country are in a state of equilibrium, instead one side will always try to enforce their will on the other and it is never for the betterment of the country.
Yep!
on a lighter note lovely profile "
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"I'm sick of hearing about how hard done by fire fighters are,they have a cushy job with great working conditions and great working hours ,I have a few family and friends in the fire service and they wouldn't last 5. Mins working in many other jobs "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I've read about..
Trade unions, age differences, pensions, oh the list goes on...
The firefighters signed on the dotted line when they went into the service... Just as the soldiers, sailors and airmen, do see them strike?
I gave a thumbs up to one comment because I totally agree with it...
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