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"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts?" Could we end the drama and just sack Gove? | |||
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"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? Could we end the drama and just sack Gove?" Sack? I just want to hit him. Hard!   | |||
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"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts?" we need drama and the arts they are the things which have humanised us since men and women drew on the walls of caves | |||
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"Standards need to improve the existing system is failing..........." Agreed. But why should Art subjects be the fall guy for core subjects which already have the lion's share in the curriculum anyway? | |||
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"Standards need to improve the existing system is failing........... Agreed. But why should Art subjects be the fall guy for core subjects which already have the lion's share in the curriculum anyway? " To increase the time available to those students, a significant number by many accounts, who fail to get to grips with the core subjects, eg maths and english? | |||
"Standards need to improve the existing system is failing........... Agreed. But why should Art subjects be the fall guy for core subjects which already have the lion's share in the curriculum anyway? To increase the time available to those students, a significant number by many accounts, who fail to get to grips with the core subjects, eg maths and english? " But that's time over quality of teaching/resources which is a different issue. Plus, English literature will usually include contemporary plays and Shakespeare, which will always lead back to the arts. | |||
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"Standards need to improve the existing system is failing........... Agreed. But why should Art subjects be the fall guy for core subjects which already have the lion's share in the curriculum anyway? To increase the time available to those students, a significant number by many accounts, who fail to get to grips with the core subjects, eg maths and english? " no amount of extra time can make a person get to grips with any subject. Students who struggle with math and English will have extra help. Taking away an hour of drama where they engage other parts of their brain to spend more time on something they might never understand will only discourage them. A lot of students who don't do well in core subjects excel in the Arts | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? Could we end the drama and just sack Gove?" Please do! I often liken him to an old sweaty Pob lookalike that no parent would want within seeing distance of their children. Cutting drama is simply cutting the art of self-expression. There's a huge reason so many people are depressed these days - children included. The inability to express ones self and the inability to discover or retain their own individuality and identity. I thought all the cuts this country has suffered over the years was done to protect the kids futures? | |||
"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest!" Ive already researched and written about them, that's exactly what they are. | |||
"Standards need to improve the existing system is failing........... Agreed. But why should Art subjects be the fall guy for core subjects which already have the lion's share in the curriculum anyway? To increase the time available to those students, a significant number by many accounts, who fail to get to grips with the core subjects, eg maths and english? no amount of extra time can make a person get to grips with any subject. Students who struggle with math and English will have extra help. Taking away an hour of drama where they engage other parts of their brain to spend more time on something they might never understand will only discourage them. A lot of students who don't do well in core subjects excel in the Arts " This is so true and some of these kids need there to be something to aim at. I wasnt brilliant at math but i loved art and took it as one of mine. We all watch films and tv,read and listen music as part of everyday life. | |||
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" This is so true and some of these kids need there to be something to aim at. I wasnt brilliant at math but i loved art and took it as one of mine. We all watch films and tv,read and listen music as part of everyday life." I was the same, shit at maths but I've always been good with maths on the job, handling money etc. I took art and it got me into college. You just dont fuck with a childs formative years. Gove is a fucking Zionist who wants all schools to be religious and he doesnt listen to the actual needs of kids or the parents that do know best. | |||
"I'd rather they cut it in here
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I agree though | |||
"Standards need to improve the existing system is failing........... Agreed. But why should Art subjects be the fall guy for core subjects which already have the lion's share in the curriculum anyway? To increase the time available to those students, a significant number by many accounts, who fail to get to grips with the core subjects, eg maths and english? no amount of extra time can make a person get to grips with any subject. Students who struggle with math and English will have extra help. Taking away an hour of drama where they engage other parts of their brain to spend more time on something they might never understand will only discourage them. A lot of students who don't do well in core subjects excel in the Arts "
@thescotandgirl: Feel free to vent. I rarely start posts about the world's ills but this was close to home.
And yes, we should definitely cut the drama in here but I have the feeling people love it! | |||
"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest!" Spot on. Revolution? | |||
"Standards need to improve the existing system is failing........... Agreed. But why should Art subjects be the fall guy for core subjects which already have the lion's share in the curriculum anyway? To increase the time available to those students, a significant number by many accounts, who fail to get to grips with the core subjects, eg maths and english? no amount of extra time can make a person get to grips with any subject. Students who struggle with math and English will have extra help. Taking away an hour of drama where they engage other parts of their brain to spend more time on something they might never understand will only discourage them. A lot of students who don't do well in core subjects excel in the Arts
@thescotandgirl: Feel free to vent. I rarely start posts about the world's ills but this was close to home.
And yes, we should definitely cut the drama in here but I have the feeling people love it! "No drama=no forum. Sycophantsy,leaves little room for debate.   | |||
"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest! Spot on. Revolution?" Would love one! But we're too busy being angry at each other to mobilize.  | |||
"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest! Spot on. Revolution?" they are working off a mater plan of small government and if people want drama let them pay for it themselves, harsh but true ...this is what the people voted for, maybe they will learn that you cant have low taxes and still have quality education and services | |||
"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest! Spot on. Revolution? they are working off a mater plan of small government and if people want drama let them pay for it themselves, harsh but true ...this is what the people voted for, maybe they will learn that you cant have low taxes and still have quality education and services " It should be readily available to all. This is simply the government's knee-jerk reaction to problems that are more rooted in education. To avoid facing some home truths about how they're failing children, they shift the blame back to the schools. | |||
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"What if he was right??????" Then it's a big sacrifice that will be felt by future generations. As was mentioned earlier, some are very academic and some are not. The "one size fits all" set up that been pushed will still see some children still struggle with little alternative. Personally, I don't see anything "right" about that. | |||
"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest! Spot on. Revolution? they are working off a mater plan of small government and if people want drama let them pay for it themselves, harsh but true ...this is what the people voted for, maybe they will learn that you cant have low taxes and still have quality education and services It should be readily available to all. This is simply the government's knee-jerk reaction to problems that are more rooted in education. To avoid facing some home truths about how they're failing children, they shift the blame back to the schools." seem to think education has been declining for a decade or more. how is that Goves fault? he is merely trying to find ways of fixing something that is broken. as for drama, i liked it at school, however, never did it as a core subject, but as an extra during my GCSE years, and again, when i went to college, and i persoanlly feel thats how it should be. a subject like that SHOULD be only for those that want to do it, and not forced on those that arent interested, the same as all the arts. no point forcing people to paint when they have no eye for it and get ridiculed by their peers | |||
"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest! Spot on. Revolution? they are working off a mater plan of small government and if people want drama let them pay for it themselves, harsh but true ...this is what the people voted for, maybe they will learn that you cant have low taxes and still have quality education and services It should be readily available to all. This is simply the government's knee-jerk reaction to problems that are more rooted in education. To avoid facing some home truths about how they're failing children, they shift the blame back to the schools. seem to think education has been declining for a decade or more. how is that Goves fault? he is merely trying to find ways of fixing something that is broken. as for drama, i liked it at school, however, never did it as a core subject, but as an extra during my GCSE years, and again, when i went to college, and i persoanlly feel thats how it should be. a subject like that SHOULD be only for those that want to do it, and not forced on those that arent interested, the same as all the arts. no point forcing people to paint when they have no eye for it and get ridiculed by their peers" It was always an option. The idea is to limit options to buy more time for Core subjects. Drama will never be a core subject so there's no harm as an option. As for being ridiculed, shouldn't we be encouraging children to stand out from the crowd as opposed to being a part of it? | |||
"It was always an option. The idea is to limit options to buy more time for Core subjects. Drama will never be a core subject so there's no harm as an option. As for being ridiculed, shouldn't we be encouraging children to stand out from the crowd as opposed to being a part of it?" IIRC in middle school it was part of the curriculum. 1 hour on a wednesday morning, no choice. then, once i chose my GCSE's it was no longer done as a class, but as an out of hours activity. the same with college, unless obviously, you chose the creative (timewasting) courses. and yes, childrens individuality should be encouraged, but it is very easy to say that as adults, and not so easy to do as a child that, as i say, is ridiculed because you paint like a blind, hamfisted, walrus, or dance like a 1 footed d*unk. you should remember, the schoolyard is a pretty unforgiving place to be when you arent good at something. i know i do | |||
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"It was always an option. The idea is to limit options to buy more time for Core subjects. Drama will never be a core subject so there's no harm as an option. As for being ridiculed, shouldn't we be encouraging children to stand out from the crowd as opposed to being a part of it? IIRC in middle school it was part of the curriculum. 1 hour on a wednesday morning, no choice. then, once i chose my GCSE's it was no longer done as a class, but as an out of hours activity. the same with college, unless obviously, you chose the creative (timewasting) courses. and yes, childrens individuality should be encouraged, but it is very easy to say that as adults, and not so easy to do as a child that, as i say, is ridiculed because you paint like a blind, hamfisted, walrus, or dance like a 1 footed d*unk. you should remember, the schoolyard is a pretty unforgiving place to be when you arent good at something. i know i do" The schoolyard is an unforgiving place when you have last year's (sorry, month's) trainers. Trust me I know! 
But all children will excel at something if the opportunities are shown and the talents are nurtured. Yes, it is hard for children when it comes to peer pressure but most children are surprisingly supportive of their peers. But I guess it depends on your class/year.
You'll have to forgive me but I've done a reasonable amount of freelance work in schools and the children are more switched on than we give them credit for. My main gripe with Gove is that his ideas are dated. He remembered the "good old days" and is forcing his will on today's setup. We all remember our school days fondly or try to blot them out completely.
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"Academic logical subjects use one particular side of the brain, creative subjects such as drama, use the other side. Education is not purely there for people to compete in the jobs market. It's there to provide people with a well rounded and balanced education (the word 'balanced' comes from education statutory documentation). People moan about wooden acting? It might be worse in future. It sounds like a desperate attempt to 'mark his territory' before he loses his job. Roll on next election. Why should my kids lose out on drama because of him? What if I want them to go to drama school and be actors? Short sighted and flawed.
Dramatic response..... "You miss my point. Working in the theatre industry I see the need for a well balanced education but children have to understand the basics to give them the tools to reach their goals in whatever life they choose. Having served as a governor of a very large comprehensive school I can demonstrate through the success of the school in all subjects including performing arts it can be achieved and its a hand in glove situation. | |||
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"The slimy Gove did gyre and gimbal in the wabe.... "??? | |||
"The man is a moron" dont think his religion has anything to do with policies.  | |||
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"Academic logical subjects use one particular side of the brain, creative subjects such as drama, use the other side. Education is not purely there for people to compete in the jobs market. It's there to provide people with a well rounded and balanced education (the word 'balanced' comes from education statutory documentation). People moan about wooden acting? It might be worse in future. It sounds like a desperate attempt to 'mark his territory' before he loses his job. Roll on next election. Why should my kids lose out on drama because of him? What if I want them to go to drama school and be actors? Short sighted and flawed.
Dramatic response..... You miss my point. Working in the theatre industry I see the need for a well balanced education but children have to understand the basics to give them the tools to reach their goals in whatever life they choose. Having served as a governor of a very large comprehensive school I can demonstrate through the success of the school in all subjects including performing arts it can be achieved and its a hand in glove situation. "I agree. The problem is not what's being taught, it's how it's being taught. I don't see why performing arts subjects should be a scapegoat for for issues currently present in the system. I | |||
"Education should stick to whats usefull, the 3 R's and cookery. Anything else is a waste of taxpayers money and should be taught privately in after school clubs or at weekends. Drama just causes distress and unrealistic expectations, get the basics right!" should be taught money management too. far too many people get into trouble with money. | |||
"i completely disagree with the previous poster! Drama is a very beneficial subject in my opinion. Well taught drama is not "acting", it's about teamwork, expression, creativity, planning, devising, decision making, presentation skills, time frames, debating, analysis, taking on board feedback to improve... I could go on! To me it can teach skills that are invaluable." I agree with everything in your post, the problem it , drama and similar creative subjects, show alternatives, and increase childrens expectations, the world is hars and real, it isn't about thinking and being creative, employers want, obedient, hard working focused staff who are easy to manage, without having expectations. Half the children being educated will never have a job. so by sticking to the essentials, at least you are giving them a solid foundation and basic skills, Apparently kids leave school not being able to read and write, ok drama and creativity may help them to express their inner feelings, but not much point when there on the dole. | |||
"Education should stick to whats usefull, the 3 R's and cookery. Anything else is a waste of taxpayers money and should be taught privately in after school clubs or at weekends. Drama just causes distress and unrealistic expectations, get the basics right! should be taught money management too. far too many people get into trouble with money." that would come under maths, as would business studies. | |||
"The slimy Gove did gyre and gimbal in the wabe....
???"He's paraphrasing a poem from Alice through the Looking Glass 'The Jabberwocky'. | |||
"Education should stick to whats usefull, the 3 R's and cookery. Anything else is a waste of taxpayers money and should be taught privately in after school clubs or at weekends. Drama just causes distress and unrealistic expectations, get the basics right!" The 3Rs are not all that is required today. Teaching arts and music privately takes us back to just the privileged few being able to access that. We need young people able to be at the required standard in the 3Rs, in the art of science and technology and in the creative arts. They all complement each other in the modern workplace. Problem solving, interpersonal skills, presentation and articulation are all important. My recent paid and voluntary work has really shown how powerful creative and rhetoric arts can be to improving academic performance. Music and maths are so closely related. Deny the masses this and all we do is make a future workforce of lower class sheep working for privileged upper class lords. | |||
"Education should stick to whats usefull, the 3 R's and cookery. Anything else is a waste of taxpayers money and should be taught privately in after school clubs or at weekends. Drama just causes distress and unrealistic expectations, get the basics right! The 3Rs are not all that is required today. Teaching arts and music privately takes us back to just the privileged few being able to access that. We need young people able to be at the required standard in the 3Rs, in the art of science and technology and in the creative arts. They all complement each other in the modern workplace. Problem solving, interpersonal skills, presentation and articulation are all important. My recent paid and voluntary work has really shown how powerful creative and rhetoric arts can be to improving academic performance. Music and maths are so closely related. Deny the masses this and all we do is make a future workforce of lower class sheep working for privileged upper class lords."
Yay, at last someone who understands whats needed, cheap, labour, and getting rid of the minimum wage, your post is what life is about, keep the arts for the rich, and keep work for the masses, maybe we will all have a better life then | |||
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"Does anyone else feel that particularly at the moment we are being governed by a bunch of feckless incompetent old school buddies who are woefully bereft of any real intelligence or competence in what they are paid to do? Sorry to hijack the thread but I felt like getting that off my chest! Spot on. Revolution? they are working off a mater plan of small government and if people want drama let them pay for it themselves, harsh but true ...this is what the people voted for, maybe they will learn that you cant have low taxes and still have quality education and services " Low Taxes ? can i have the phone number for your accountant please | |||
"The slimy Gove did gyre and gimbal in the wabe....
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"The slimy Gove did gyre and gimbal in the wabe....
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He's paraphrasing a poem from Alice through the Looking Glass 'The Jabberwocky'."Thankyou. | |||
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"the need for a well balanced education but children have to understand the basics to give them the tools to reach their goals in whatever life they choose. The problem is not what's being taught, it's how it's being taught. I don't see why performing arts subjects should be a scapegoat for for issues currently present in the system. I" this.. the fact is despite the guy being a muppet there is something wrong in the system when some kids are leaving school without a basic standard of numeracy and literacy.. however as said dropping drama is not the way to solve it.. Education is or should be about more than producing a component to keep the wheels of production rolling.. pity he didn't seek to ensure basic standards in teaching with some of the free schools.. as for taking away certain subjects that pure class discrimination, him and his millionaire cabinet buddies can well afford to send their kids to private drama and the arts classes.. most wont be able to.. its about some trying to further maintain what they see as their place in society.. | |||
"The slimy Gove did gyre and gimbal in the wabe....
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He's paraphrasing a poem from Alice through the Looking Glass 'The Jabberwocky'.
Thankyou. "Very clever. You're wasted on this site. Ever thought of going on the stage? | |||
"The slimy Gove did gyre and gimbal in the wabe....
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He's paraphrasing a poem from Alice through the Looking Glass 'The Jabberwocky'.
Thankyou.
Very clever. You're wasted on this site. Ever thought of going on the stage? :-
p"I played 'Oliver' at school and got tons of GCSE's! Hurrah for a broad, balanced curriculum eh? | |||
"One of Gove's many problems is that he liked his education, was good at it and thinks every will benefit from experiencing what he did. He has not grasped that people learning in different ways. Drama and Art is so much more than something that uses up precious learning by rote time. It allows our children and young people to learn to contextualise, to imagine and interpret and to express themselves. The man is myopic in his vision for education. " With all the things added to core subjects by the government and more being added as time goes on, topics move at a hundred miles an hour in primary so it is very very hard to try and catch up a child who has not grasped a core concept (maths and English especially as they fundamentally underpin future learning in all other subjects) which is where the fight comes to stop 'lower ability' or 'less able' from remaining so. There is an awful lot prescribed that teachers fit into lessons (even basics such as elements for kinesthetic, auditory and visual learners). Drama is one subject which not only has inbuilt cross-curricular ties to English but has inbuilt aspects for each type of learner. In summary Gove is not only wrong but very narrow sighted. No need to remove existing subjects just stop faffing around with the others and leave time for the learning that needs to take place. Simple Mrs  | |||
"i completely disagree with the previous poster! Drama is a very beneficial subject in my opinion. Well taught drama is not "acting", it's about teamwork, expression, creativity, planning, devising, decision making, presentation skills, time frames, debating, analysis, taking on board feedback to improve... I could go on! To me it can teach skills that are invaluable. I agree with everything in your post, the problem it , drama and similar creative subjects, show alternatives, and increase childrens expectations, the world is hars and real, it isn't about thinking and being creative, employers want, obedient, hard working focused staff who are easy to manage, without having expectations. Half the children being educated will never have a job. so by sticking to the essentials, at least you are giving them a solid foundation and basic skills, Apparently kids leave school not being able to read and write, ok drama and creativity may help them to express their inner feelings, but not much point when there on the dole." And what's wrong with a child having high expectations? Yes, the world is hard but with a good foundation, as you mentioned, fused with personal interest and growth. To tell a child to stick to the basics because there's no other opportunities is very disheartening and we're setting them up to fail, both core and other subjects. | |||
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"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts?" They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate | |||
"Education should stick to whats usefull, the 3 R's and cookery. Anything else is a waste of taxpayers money and should be taught privately in after school clubs or at weekends. Drama just causes distress and unrealistic expectations, get the basics right! The 3Rs are not all that is required today. Teaching arts and music privately takes us back to just the privileged few being able to access that. We need young people able to be at the required standard in the 3Rs, in the art of science and technology and in the creative arts. They all complement each other in the modern workplace. Problem solving, interpersonal skills, presentation and articulation are all important. My recent paid and voluntary work has really shown how powerful creative and rhetoric arts can be to improving academic performance. Music and maths are so closely related. Deny the masses this and all we do is make a future workforce of lower class sheep working for privileged upper class lords." That's pretty much the idea. The problem is it will backfire! If you're not making enough money or achieving enough legally, you'll either be a drain on taxpayers or be a success illegally. Nice one Gove! | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate" | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts?" I think Gove pulls these rabbits out of a hat as a diversionary tactic. I'd have a look around to see what else he's up to. Re drama, I'd have a close look at all these 'you can be famous' drama schools springing trying to con kids/ parents out of £silly per week. | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate" Am I the only one seeing the irony in this? Illiterate. | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate Am I the only one seeing the irony in this? Illiterate. " No you're not
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"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate Am I the only one seeing the irony in this? Illiterate. " It's cos they had drama at school. | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate Am I the only one seeing the irony in this? Illiterate. It's cos they had drama at school." Low blow! | |||
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Education is about so much more than the three Rs but if you are fully engaged and supported at home and at school in all subjects (including the arts)achievements to a level that you are capable of, in all areas are so much easier.
The arts are important, everyone gets time off work and theatre, books, poetry etc are not the sole preserve of the leisured classes...D.H Lawrence anyone...Alan Bennett? | |||
"I'd be interested in the illiteracy figures from say, the sixties compared to now. I think osmeone further up the thread mentioned that lots of people rely on school as the only means of education, this isn't a new phenomena I even now have conversations with my peers and when they don't know something they tell me "but we didn't do that at school" .
Education is about so much more than the three Rs but if you are fully engaged and supported at home and at school in all subjects (including the arts)achievements to a level that you are capable of, in all areas are so much easier.
The arts are important, everyone gets time off work and theatre, books, poetry etc are not the sole preserve of the leisured classes...D.H Lawrence anyone...Alan Bennett?" | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate Am I the only one seeing the irony in this? Illiterate. It's cos they had drama at school. Low blow! "I'm really short. | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? They should concentrate on teaching the kids to read and write first before anything else. Too many of them leaving school illeterate Am I the only one seeing the irony in this? Illiterate. It's cos they had drama at school. Low blow!
I'm really short." | |||
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"Michael Gove is a twat... That is my thought on the man." you're not the only one to think that | |||
"Thanks Rogue for this thread. wish someone can just give Gove and the gov a feedback on all the opinions posted here. " | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? Could we end the drama and just sack Gove?" | |||
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"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts?" Personally I think it should be limited or cut. Drama wasn't on the curriculum when I was at school... yet everyone was given the chance to be involved (if it appealed to them). But it was done during dinner or after school. Drama will help very few kids get a job. Drama will not be a great help to industry. As a nation we are pretty shit at teaching sciences and not that great at technology either... these are skills our country needs. I'd sooner see kids spending more time doing PE or learning about nutrition than drama. There are only so many hours in the school day and if we are failing in other areas, something has to give. | |||
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"I like the idea of teaching kids to cook some basic dishes in order to better equipped themselves for their lives ahead, as suggested by Mary Berry recently. I have come across 14yo kids who do not know how to boil an egg, and heating up a can of soup is considered as too difficult. "I like that idea too but I'd hope that parents would teach that. I know there are lots of parents who were never taught how to cook themselves but school can't be made responsible for every aspect of a childs learning. Years ago a young lad at work asked me which side of an envelope to stick a stamp on, I must have looked slightly taken aback because he said "they didn't teach me that at school" they didn't teach me either I expect my mum showed. | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? Personally I think it should be limited or cut. Drama wasn't on the curriculum when I was at school... yet everyone was given the chance to be involved (if it appealed to them). But it was done during dinner or after school. Drama will help very few kids get a job. Drama will not be a great help to industry. As a nation we are pretty shit at teaching sciences and not that great at technology either... these are skills our country needs. I'd sooner see kids spending more time doing PE or learning about nutrition than drama. There are only so many hours in the school day and if we are failing in other areas, something has to give." Didn't Gove already take a chunk out of PE? For me, it's an argument of time over quality. The core subjects will always take priority and rightly so. But limiting/cutting the diversity in education will limit future generations moving forward. Also, by adding more time, we're not addressing flaws present as to why core subjects are failing now. I don't feel time is the issue. | |||
".........There is an awful lot prescribed that teachers fit into lessons (even basics such as elements for kinesthetic, auditory and visual learners)... " I thought this was an interesting point about KAV. Teachers do seem to be vulnerable to the fads and whims of those who want to lead the way. I was reading an article a few months back...... did you know there has not been one recognised scientific study which validates the claim that kids learn better when you match the delivery to their KAV preference... yet many teachers go on about it as if it is the dog's bollox. | |||
"I like the idea of teaching kids to cook some basic dishes in order to better equipped themselves for their lives ahead, as suggested by Mary Berry recently. I have come across 14yo kids who do not know how to boil an egg, and heating up a can of soup is considered as too difficult.
I like that idea too but I'd hope that parents would teach that. I know there are lots of parents who were never taught how to cook themselves but school can't be made responsible for every aspect of a childs learning.
Years ago a young lad at work asked me which side of an envelope to stick a stamp on, I must have looked slightly taken aback because he said "they didn't teach me that at school" they didn't teach me either I expect my mum showed. "Yeah, that's another issue: Parents who don't take note of their children's learning until it's too late. | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? Personally I think it should be limited or cut. Drama wasn't on the curriculum when I was at school... yet everyone was given the chance to be involved (if it appealed to them). But it was done during dinner or after school. Drama will help very few kids get a job. Drama will not be a great help to industry. As a nation we are pretty shit at teaching sciences and not that great at technology either... these are skills our country needs. I'd sooner see kids spending more time doing PE or learning about nutrition than drama. There are only so many hours in the school day and if we are failing in other areas, something has to give." I so disagree... Nothing has to give, our kids need a balanced education and I believe drama has a key part on that. I've stated my case above, each to their own I guess x | |||
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"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? Personally I think it should be limited or cut. Drama wasn't on the curriculum when I was at school... yet everyone was given the chance to be involved (if it appealed to them). But it was done during dinner or after school. Drama will help very few kids get a job. Drama will not be a great help to industry. As a nation we are pretty shit at teaching sciences and not that great at technology either... these are skills our country needs. I'd sooner see kids spending more time doing PE or learning about nutrition than drama. There are only so many hours in the school day and if we are failing in other areas, something has to give. I so disagree... Nothing has to give, our kids need a balanced education and I believe drama has a key part on that. I've stated my case above, each to their own I guess x" Of course something has to give if we need to spend more time getting the basics right or new subjects come along... subjects which will help our industries survive by providing the right knowledge and skills. Drama is not the only way to bring out the creative side of people. What about technical design and engineering? Creative programming? Entrepreneurial skills? As you stated in your case... you want your team to challenge your views and be creative..... I trust you will be more open to considering alternatives when they do. | |||
"Science subjects served me well in life, and I doubt if arty subjects would have done the same. Good job I was good with science and maths, and no good at arts, except for music, and I exchanged most of my PE sessions with music lessons instead when I was at school. Each to their own as they say. "
This is exactly why diversity needs to remain in education. Young people's talents will lean towards different things. | |||
"Gove is seeking to limit/cut it from the National Curriculum. Personally, I'm not happy as other Art subjects may follow. What are people's thoughts? Personally I think it should be limited or cut. Drama wasn't on the curriculum when I was at school... yet everyone was given the chance to be involved (if it appealed to them). But it was done during dinner or after school. Drama will help very few kids get a job. Drama will not be a great help to industry. As a nation we are pretty shit at teaching sciences and not that great at technology either... these are skills our country needs. I'd sooner see kids spending more time doing PE or learning about nutrition than drama. There are only so many hours in the school day and if we are failing in other areas, something has to give. I so disagree... Nothing has to give, our kids need a balanced education and I believe drama has a key part on that. I've stated my case above, each to their own I guess x Of course something has to give if we need to spend more time getting the basics right or new subjects come along... subjects which will help our industries survive by providing the right knowledge and skills. Drama is not the only way to bring out the creative side of people. What about technical design and engineering? Creative programming? Entrepreneurial skills? As you stated in your case... you want your team to challenge your views and be creative..... I trust you will be more open to considering alternatives when they do." I don't believe for one second drama is the only option, I remember learning lots from metalwork, woodwork, home ec, etc. I wasn't very good at any of them but believe diversity is a good thing. I was awful at art - I can't even draw a daisy! I'm still glad i got to study a range of things and learnt something from each of them. You mention technical design, I'm all for these things being taught/explored. In my opinion the start of these cuts and reducing what children are taught starts with the arts but won't stop there. R x | |||
"Michael Gove is a twat... That is my thought on the man." No point reading the rest of the thread. This sums it up nicely | |||
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"I think drama should be kept... I learned to perform but mostly I found confidence. At this rate schools will only teach the basics x" as long as they do it well that's enough. | |||
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"I think drama should be kept... I learned to perform but mostly I found confidence. At this rate schools will only teach the basics x as long as they do it well that's enough." I'd prefer something more aspirational for young people today. Not all people are academic and for one reason or another, won't be able to succeed or achieve 'the basics'. We would not be doing them any good if we did not offer a non academic alternative. They might excel at that. Why deny them the opportunity? | |||
"I think drama should be kept... I learned to perform but mostly I found confidence. At this rate schools will only teach the basics x as long as they do it well that's enough.I'd prefer something more aspirational for young people today. Not all people are academic and for one reason or another, won't be able to succeed or achieve 'the basics'. We would not be doing them any good if we did not offer a non academic alternative. They might excel at that. Why deny them the opportunity? " | |||
