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The veil is lifted today.
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"I would love to suck a witches tit and watch her ride her broom stick" should be plenty about tonight   | |||
"Yes, my father, he died when I was very young, and I don't remember him. So many questions to ask. Plus at least two other people. And as for famous people? Mmmm.... Marilyn Monroe, and find out what really happened. and Dr David Kelly, for the same reason." Just write the questions down , on a sheet of paper, place under a clock, and you will get the answers as you sleep, between 2am and 4am, our conscious mind rests and our sub conscious mind keeps us ticking over, the answers will be put in your head, just ask one question each night, the answers will be much clearer. | |||
"Yes, my father, he died when I was very young, and I don't remember him. So many questions to ask. Plus at least two other people. And as for famous people? Mmmm.... Marilyn Monroe, and find out what really happened. and Dr David Kelly, for the same reason. Just write the questions down , on a sheet of paper, place under a clock, and you will get the answers as you sleep, between 2am and 4am, our conscious mind rests and our sub conscious mind keeps us ticking over, the answers will be put in your head, just ask one question each night, the answers will be much clearer." Does the clock have to work or be like a wind up clock? Just curious | |||
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"I'd love to hear from my friend, he was gone do suddenly, never has the chance to tell him how much he really meant to me "I'm sure he will know, I didn't speak to my stepdad for 18 months before he died, felt bad at the time, but I 'feel' him around me now and again x | |||
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"I would love to suck a witches tit and watch her ride her broom stick" Keep my ex wife out of it  | |||
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"Generally we are asked to believe that there is life after death. This supposition is based on the fact that soul is immortal. So if the soul is immortal and you subscribe to life after death theory then defacto there must be life before life? Immortality is immortal!" Is the definition of immortal having no beginning? Genuine question, if so I take your point if not I would say that it ain't necessarily so | |||
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"Generally we are asked to believe that there is life after death. This supposition is based on the fact that soul is immortal. So if the soul is immortal and you subscribe to life after death theory then defacto there must be life before life? Immortality is immortal! Is the definition of immortal having no beginning? Genuine question, if so I take your point if not I would say that it ain't necessarily so "Immortal is having no beginning or no end, perpetual and constant; just a thought! | |||
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"I disagree. Immortal is living forever. That doesn't preclude being born at some point. If someone were born mortal and somehow became immortal would that mean they then hadn't been born?" How does one explain god then? | |||
"I disagree. Immortal is living forever. That doesn't preclude being born at some point. If someone were born mortal and somehow became immortal would that mean they then hadn't been born?How does one explain god then?" From my point of view? The imaginary sky fairy. *other belief systems and opinions are available. | |||
"I disagree. Immortal is living forever. That doesn't preclude being born at some point. If someone were born mortal and somehow became immortal would that mean they then hadn't been born?How does one explain god then? From my point of view? The imaginary sky fairy. *other belief systems and opinions are available. " I do not think immortality can be created it always existed and will continue to do so........if you believe in the immortal soul! | |||
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"Where is our soul before we're born? " Where is it when we die? | |||
"Where is our soul before we're born? Where is it when we die?" In our last and next incarnations... | |||
"Where is our soul before we're born? Where is it when we die? In our last and next incarnations..." so there is life before life? | |||
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"Where is our soul before we're born? Where is it when we die? In our last and next incarnations...so there is life before life?" Absolutely! | |||
"...those that are still waiting for a new vessel are the ones we see, hear and communicate with who always just dissapear when they've given us the comfort we seek in them " Convenient............!!!! Where do we wait for the next bus to come along? | |||
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"In a realm we call heaven I suppose "or hell? Suppose in a previous life you were Adolf Hitler for example where would you be stationed waiting for the next vessel? | |||
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"...those that are still waiting for a new vessel are the ones we see, hear and communicate with who always just dissapear when they've given us the comfort we seek in them Convenient............!!!! Where do we wait for the next bus to come along?" A spiritualist told me we pass into the spirit world when we die. We get to chose whether we come back. We're shown the life we will have and we can accept it or stay where we are. If we later reapply to return to the mortal realm we are shown the same life. She told me I am an old soul. Which implies there are younger souls. I am unconvinced by what she told me. However, my views on spirits and reincarnation have changed a bit this year. My rational, scientific side is still slugging it out with my more open, spiritual side. | |||
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"In a realm we call heaven I suppose or hell? Suppose in a previous life you were Adolf Hitler for example where would you be stationed waiting for the next vessel?"Have you not seen the film Little Nicky? Hitler is wearing a sexy maid outfit and waiting for a pineapple to be shoved up his bum in purgatory | |||
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"In the course of my work I come across many different spiritual views almost all of which have immortality at their core whether it be of the soul or life/energy. I sometimes wonder if that has more to do with the very natural human feeling that this cannot possibly be all there is than with anything based in experience or fact." That is the core of the discussion..........fact! Its all supposition! The reason I entered the debate is that I work in the entertainment industry and have seen a number of well known mediums and spiritualists (so called) at work. They con people who are in a vulnerable state seeking answers to a death or want to hear something and they get paid for being nearly right some of the time. I expect the post will get examples of how Mr X told me something that he could not have known, save for the fact that these people have spotters in the audience! I am a confirmed atheist and the only issue I would subscribe to is that energy cannot be destroyed perhaps sometimes we get some of that energy when a loved one dies? | |||
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"How do you explain a one to one meeting with a spiritualist who knows nothing about you, not even your name, but knows several very specific things which it would be a hell of a coincidence to be able to guess? No prior meeting, no audience to have spotters in. Scientist me is looking for the trick. The other part of me would like to believe. " Having done several courses through my local spiritualist church to develop my own gift (I by no means claim to be a medium) I know its real, and I know there are genuine others. Its a science in itself yet to be unraveled x | |||
"How do you explain a one to one meeting with a spiritualist who knows nothing about you, not even your name, but knows several very specific things which it would be a hell of a coincidence to be able to guess? No prior meeting, no audience to have spotters in. Scientist me is looking for the trick. The other part of me would like to believe. Having done several courses through my local spiritualist church to develop my own gift (I by no means claim to be a medium) I know its real, and I know there are genuine others. Its a science in itself yet to be unraveled x" Possibly, I am sure that there are things that we humans know little about! | |||
"How do you explain a one to one meeting with a spiritualist who knows nothing about you, not even your name, but knows several very specific things which it would be a hell of a coincidence to be able to guess? No prior meeting, no audience to have spotters in. Scientist me is looking for the trick. The other part of me would like to believe. " Could you share one of those specifics? | |||
"In the course of my work I come across many different spiritual views almost all of which have immortality at their core whether it be of the soul or life/energy. I sometimes wonder if that has more to do with the very natural human feeling that this cannot possibly be all there is than with anything based in experience or fact.That is the core of the discussion..........fact! Its all supposition! The reason I entered the debate is that I work in the entertainment industry and have seen a number of well known mediums and spiritualists (so called) at work. They con people who are in a vulnerable state seeking answers to a death or want to hear something and they get paid for being nearly right some of the time. I expect the post will get examples of how Mr X told me something that he could not have known, save for the fact that these people have spotters in the audience! I am a confirmed atheist and the only issue I would subscribe to is that energy cannot be destroyed perhaps sometimes we get some of that energy when a loved one dies? " Who knows. I have quite a strong belief system but I remain open to other ideas and beliefs. I do think know that energy can't be destroyed that is fact as far as I'm aware and if you believe that your soul is energy the rest follows | |||
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"We have the answers within ourselves. It is accessing that information which is difficult. " Yes! We do | |||
"We have the answers within ourselves. It is accessing that information which is difficult. BTW for those who use science to "prove" there is no before/afterlife... ermmm you'll be proved wrong my dears ."Why is therefore that only certain people can communicate with the spirit world? | |||
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"My Great Grandmother used to visit, not sure if she knows where I am now though xx" The akashic records keep track of everything, spirits are not in one place, unless they died unexpectedly. | |||
"I disagree. Immortal is living forever. That doesn't preclude being born at some point. If someone were born mortal and somehow became immortal would that mean they then hadn't been born?How does one explain god then?" God was created by man, to control man, all religion was invented to control society and enable the strong to control the weak. | |||
"We have the answers within ourselves. It is accessing that information which is difficult. BTW for those who use science to "prove" there is no before/afterlife... ermmm you'll be proved wrong my dears .Why is therefore that only certain people can communicate with the spirit world?"we all could (and do unknowingley) if our minds were open to the spirit world...some have to develop their skills and some are blessed (or cursed lol) without even trying | |||
"We have the answers within ourselves. It is accessing that information which is difficult. BTW for those who use science to "prove" there is no before/afterlife... ermmm you'll be proved wrong my dears .Why is therefore that only certain people can communicate with the spirit world?"Each and everyone of us is a sentient being and can communicate with the spirit world if they want to, it isn't a gift or anything special. Like everything in life you will stumble across it unexpectedly, or you can learn. When children are born, we teach them to talk, when they talk we tell them to be quiet, we teach children to walk, when they learn, we tell them to sit still! Every child that is born is the same, society needs people to conform, greed is the reason spiritual senses are not encouraged, the need for workers, not thinkers. Every animal has a well developed spiritual sense, that protects them. Dogs and cats, live with us in our homes, if you watch their behaviour, they are very aware of spiritual presence in a room or home, just watch their ears, and fur, and learn about their behaviour. So many people don't believe in anything they cant see, or have no knowledge or experience of, and have no interest in opening their mind. Looking back in history, great thinkers of the day were ridiculed, The world is flat. Man can't fly. are just 2 ideas that , people believed. If someone is happy with their life and the limitations of their mind, they have found contentment, and will never change, as they don't need to. | |||
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"alot of these so called mediums are a con, they play with peoples emotions, if you watch some they actually fish for answers off the person,watch the reactions, but I suppose it gives people comfort and thats what counts" I am not sure what you base your opinion on, how many mediums have you paid for a reading? "A lot" could mean 2 or a 100 depending upon how may readings you have had. | |||
"We have the answers within ourselves. It is accessing that information which is difficult. BTW for those who use science to "prove" there is no before/afterlife... ermmm you'll be proved wrong my dears .Why is therefore that only certain people can communicate with the spirit world?
Each and everyone of us is a sentient being and can communicate with the spirit world if they want to, it isn't a gift or anything special.
Like everything in life you will stumble across it unexpectedly, or you can learn.
When children are born, we teach them to talk, when they talk we tell them to be quiet, we teach children to walk, when they learn, we tell them to sit still!
Every child that is born is the same, society needs people to conform, greed is the reason spiritual senses are not encouraged, the need for workers, not thinkers.
Every animal has a well developed spiritual sense, that protects them. Dogs and cats, live with us in our homes, if you watch their behaviour, they are very aware of spiritual presence in a room or home, just watch their ears, and fur, and learn about their behaviour.
So many people don't believe in anything they cant see, or have no knowledge or experience of, and have no interest in opening their mind.
Looking back in history, great thinkers of the day were ridiculed,
The world is flat.
Man can't fly.
are just 2 ideas that , people believed.
If someone is happy with their life and the limitations of their mind, they have found contentment, and will never change, as they don't need to."samhain blessings xx | |||
"alot of these so called mediums are a con, they play with peoples emotions, if you watch some they actually fish for answers off the person,watch the reactions, but I suppose it gives people comfort and thats what counts" I agree I personally do not believe in a after life, I think, like every other life form on this planet we evolved, we reproduce and we die, there's nothing special about humans, there's not after life for gold fish and there's no after life for us However, having lost my son at 20 months old I really do understand how some people want to believe in an after life where they will meet up again, and that they seek comfort in believing so, but I also think mediums are just con men who prey on grieving and vulnerable people for profit All of the above is only my personal opinion | |||
"alot of these so called mediums are a con, they play with peoples emotions, if you watch some they actually fish for answers off the person,watch the reactions, but I suppose it gives people comfort and thats what counts I am not sure what you base your opinion on, how many mediums have you paid for a reading? "A lot" could mean 2 or a 100 depending upon how may readings you have had." never had a reading because its something I don't believe in but seen it on tele enough times, when I lived with my ex,and seen how they play with people maybe im just cynical and need my mind opening to it these famous mediums that do there tours, charge alot of money, they know what towns there are touring, with the magic of tinternet and buying tickets, they basically know who is going to there shows, do abit of research on so many and hey presto you have got your show for the night | |||
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"A theatre is for entertainment, as it will say on all advertising and tickets, what you see on television is also entertainment. As for people making a lot of money, there maybe at the moment 3 or 4 mediums who make a good living from entertaining people, How many footballers, entertainers or celebreties also make a good living from entertaining people. I think tickets to see a medium on stage vary from £5 to £10 for 2 hours of entertainment. Which is about the price of 20 fags or fish and chips. I am not sure how much a ticket costs to see a football match or pop star costs? 99 out of 100 full time working psychics earn the minimum wage, it is something that will not make people rich. I suppose that is the same in most jobs, there will always be a showman or show woman, who does make a lot of money." so you saying that the ones who do the tours and tele shouldnt be taken seriously?? | |||
""never had a reading because its something I don't believe in" That's obvious from your post, and probably you have no interest in having a reading. luckily we are all different. " we are all different and thats a good thing, its just my view,and your view is different, I respect that | |||
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"alot of these so called mediums are a con, they play with peoples emotions, if you watch some they actually fish for answers off the person,watch the reactions, but I suppose it gives people comfort and thats what counts" To be honest even as a total believer I agree... I'm good at reading people but chose to do psychology instead... pretty similar but I have a very uncanny knack of getting it right... but maybe I am just a great people reader.. | |||
"alot of these so called mediums are a con, they play with peoples emotions, if you watch some they actually fish for answers off the person,watch the reactions, but I suppose it gives people comfort and thats what counts To be honest even as a total believer I agree... I'm good at reading people but chose to do psychology instead... pretty similar but I have a very uncanny knack of getting it right... but maybe I am just a great people reader.. "  | |||
""so you saying that the ones who do the tours and tele shouldnt be taken seriously??" If anyone takes anything on television seriously, they have a problem. Television is used to fill time in peoples lives, to entertain and to stop people thinking about reality. It is used to control people, and to inform. Never having had a television I am not able to comment on particular shows, although I have seen clips. A psychic or medium reading is specific to one person or maybe a family, and that wouldn't make for a good tv or theatre show. In almost every town there will be a spiritualist church, on a Sunday there are usually 2 services, where people come together to celebrate life and the life of loved ones, no longer here. usually there will be a visiting medium who is paid aprox £35 for 2 hours, this money is raised by bring and buy sales, and a plate is usually passed around for a collection. In many spiritualist churches the comitte will actually subsidise the running of the building and expenses out of their own pockets, and most provide free readings and councilling to anyone who needs or wants it. Once or twice a week they will have an open circle, again free, and anyone is welcome. ( most would appreciate a donation for the tea and coffee maybe 50p but that isn't compulsory) I only believe what I can see, feel or hear. having seen many stage shows, including, Doris Stokes, Doris Collins, Stephen Fry, John Edwards, Sally Morgan and a few I forget the names of, I am very sceptical. If they could do what they say they can do, they wouldn't need to do cold readings, and fish for information" but how do you know you aint being controlled? how How does anyone know? alot of beliefs people have is by either reading or seeing, so that means its through influence, and if you are influenced aint that a type of control? | |||
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""but how do you know you aint being controlled? how How does anyone know? alot of beliefs people have is by either reading or seeing, so that means its through influence, and if you are influenced aint that a type of control? " We are all being controlled by something, usually family and or money. Most of us need to be controlled! I have looked into this and have come to the conclusion its by aliens or a very wealthy business man or woman. We actually buy and more to the point eat food that is slowly killing us, drink water that is pumped full of chemicals, that we pay for! " so your a believer of the illuminita? have you read much david icke stuff? sorry just curious now with you mentioning aliens and money men | |||
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"if there is a veil why would it only be lifted on one particular day in a man made calendar?" Any festival that brings like minded people together creates energy. If you have ever been to a music festival, you will have felt the energy. Multiply that by many millions of people coming together in thought, and the power is enormous, like most ancient festivals Halloween is just one special day, | |||
